+harlon57 I wouldn't be too hard on Fender for that. Too many guitarists refuse to allow progress, and demand that vintage guitars be pretty much unchanged from 50+ years ago. I imagine there would be much moaning if Fender was to make the treble bleed stock, even if it is technically better.
If you have are playing through a distorted amp chain(real or IR’s, etc) creamy soft, smooth leads can be achieved by rolling back the volume is the perfect choice. This flaw becomes a strength. Wind cries Mary was a cranked Marshall with the volume knob turned down. The result was the creamy leads we all know a love. Having said that I like old and new. I wonder.....adding a little switch and other required circuitry to turn it on or off. One song I might want it vintage...another the tone saver may be exactly what I need.....hmmmm....where’s my soldering gun.
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Why do you think? They’re going for between £25 and £60 from what I can see.
@@PragmaticDany mys are Orange drop treble bleeds 2 for $11 They do do very good They're smaller They're better and Less priced Worth it Instead of paying almost 50 bucks for a brand name
@@PragmaticDanyBut it said Fender on it! I can respect brand loyalty. It’s that extra money for a piece of mind I think but yeah got mine for 5 doll hairs
Tone Saver - really? Come on Fender over 30$ for two capacitors. Everybody can buy two capacitors and solder them in for not much as 2$. In addition I can choose the values that are right for me.
In my opinion, Fender guitars the best, at least that's how I feel about my strat, in particular. This mod everyone seems to be freakin out about, is actually an invention discovery by someone and Fender seems to have capitalized on, and it became a marketing idea. So they cooked one up, labeled it and put it up for sale. And to give some answer to those that feel, "Why not just make and sell the fender guitar with the mod already on". Well, with the "already high price of the American strat, I feel Stock has always been the better option. Take for example the stock 1970 Chevy Malibu,. But then you can buy and add "Posi-Rear traction", perhaps a Turbine, Headers, even drop the auto trans and covert to 4spd stick! It is true that the know-how-to musician can research the mods caps & resistors values and make one. Its the best way to learn. I made mine using the Sprague orange drop .047 100v capasitor and 470ohm resistor. Paid $3 for cap and .25c for the resis. Cheers..
You should do your example playing CLEAN so we can hear the circuit better. This circuit is called an "R/C circuit", -i.e., a resistive/capacitance circuit. Such passive circuits are intended to maintain output impedance across the range of the volume control rheostat in concert with the impedance of the total pickup/rheostat circuit. Remember, that a PUP is an coil with a magnet (i.e., a transformer) and thus introduces a more complex element to the circuit called INDUCTANCE. Using a passive resistive/capacitance circuits (R/C circuit) is OK, but is NOT exactly perfect. They indeed help maintain a more consistent IMPEDANCE so that the amp input sees a more consistent impedance load; -hence a more consistent tone over the volume control's range... but it aint perfect. You WILl still hear some difference and generally prefer the volume control at the full setting. However, such a passive circuit can be done FAR cheaper AND BETTER by simply buying TWO 1/4 watt resisters and a ceramic capacitor. (The Fender all-in-one circuit can only be using ONE bleed resistor). For a standard Tele or Strat, The resistors should be 150K Ohms & 20K Ohms. (they can be off a few Ks -it does not matter much.) It also does not matter if they are 1%, 5% or 10% tolerance, film or carbon. Buy the CHEAPEST resisters you can find. You will also need a 1200 - 1500 picoFarad (PF) ceramic disc capacitor. Again, buy the cheapest one you can find -it does NOT matter, both will last longer than your life and sound no better nor worse than the most expensive parts. Do NOT be suckered into expensive bee's wax or other pseudo relic capacitors. In this case, a picoFarad is a picoFarad. and an Ohm is an Ohm! Yeah, I know there are people who claim to be able to hear a difference. Blind-fold them and do a repetitive test. Nope, NO ONE, can tell the difference. After the test, do NOT remove the blindfold. EVER. The subject will never notice the difference as they are blind to start with. Even in active amplifier circuits, as long as you use the correct type of capacitance (e.g., polarised, non-polarised, film, polyprop, ceramic., etc) , it will sound the same as the fancy "super-duper" snob capacitors. In this case these parts should cost no more than about $1.50 for the three parts. Usually, they are sold 5 resistors for a buck or two. A 1200 PF low voltage ceramic cap is about as dirt cheap as caps get (10 - 20 cents). Most places will sell these 3 or 5 in a pack as well, so, perhaps, you will pay maybe 3 - 4 bucks and have enough parts for another 3 guitars. For a simple diagramme of the circuit see: www.fender.com/articles/tech-talk/how-a-treble-bleed-circuit-can-affect-your-tone. This will sound a tad better than the all-in-one Fender circuit because the better passive way to control the load of this circuit requires TWO resistors in different places on the "pot" (Rheostat). HOWEVER, if you really want to have an effective PASSIVE load control AND isolation circuit (less hum), look around for a high quality line-level audio transformer. You can cannibalise a high impedance microphone transformer. Ideally, you want high impedance to high impedance x-former, but this can be fudged considerably and sound fine. This is how the pros do it without an active circuit, although most guys use active circuits for live performances (it is safer). An X-former isolates the guitar's inductive circuit, and the hum is usually lowered. -Particularly, if you are playing a house with a large lighting system. This will prevent the noise from entering the amplification circuit. The problem here is that you want a fairly high-quality transformer, but you do NOT need a board level hi-fi x-former (e.g. a Western Electric, RCA, etc.) . Call Antique Electronics in AZ, they'll likely have something for less than 10 -15 bucks. Alas, this is really only for touring pros who never know what the spurious EMF is flying about the venue they are playing. I remember playing a date once where my guitar sounded OK until I clicked in my volume pedal and this picked up the lighting EMF and made me sound like a bad radio. Alas, you can also use a WIRELESS device and do much the same thing. Wireless guitar setups are much better these days, but they aint cheap if you want a good one. Ultimately, wireless is what most pros use THESE days. 20 years ago, they were a tad dodgy and I ended up wired for many dates. (CB radio or lighting EMF would suddenly blast over my solo...) Oh yeah, -Tele players, reverse your control panel and reverse the pots, -i.e. the volume pot becomes closest to the bridge, -just like a Strat. Good luck.
Meanwhile i found out my HSS Strat has a 250 k Vol. pot. I ordered corresponding capacitor and resistor and solder them together and then on the Strats vol. pot. These parts costs together one or two $/€ and around 20 - 30 minutes of work. Saves 50 to 60 €/$ compared to the Fender Tone Saver costs. 👍😉. And it works fine!
***** Treble bleed circuits work great and I put one on all my guitars (I prefer the "Kinman" style. with the resistor and capacitor wired in series.) However, in no way, shape or form is this worth anything _remotely_ close to the $49.99 that Fender's charging. You can get the exact same effect with a $1 capacitor and $0.25 resistor wired in either series or parallel (whichever sounds/works better for you.)
I find the full up tone to be quite different before and after the Tone saver installation. It seems the guitar has lost something at top volume, What would be needed to ensure the tone is not so affected when in the 8-10 region? Should it be a lower resistance or lower capacitor?
You’re perceiving something that isn’t there. At full volume the tone saver in not doing anything. With the volume pot wide open the pot and tone saver are essentially out of the circuit.
I wonder how many pairs of a resistor and a cap I could buy for what Fender is charging for the 2 in the "tone a saver"? I'm betting enough to do 25 or 30 guitars
metelegerald Not everybody goes for that kind of sound. Some people want it to get duller when they roll down the volume. But I do get you. I certainly like the difference I hear.
+supahchief Over the past forty years of playing, I've never heard someone say they really like the loss of tone when they roll-off the volume, but "I've heard everyone I've ever talked to it about say it sucks. R/C (Resistor/Capacitor) combinations for two-dollars have been around for decades....this is fender charging $30 for $2 worth of parts put into a small container.
I would put this on one guitar but not another. Apples to oranges. Fender (or somebody) needs to offer a split pull version of this, as well as a split/pull version of the tone/mid control. Hell, I might coerce some of my more technically minded friends to come up with something along these lines if nobody can offer up a solution right away.
You could do that. It would be easy to test it with a Les Paul guitar, or any other guitar where you can access the control cavity from the back. It would be a hassle for the Strat because you'd have to set the variable resistor, put the pickguard on, put the strings back on, and cross your fingers you got a good setting!
I thought that some of the reasons for turning down the guitar volume to 7 or 8 are to roll off some of the top end if your bridge pickup is too bright (e.g. Custom Shop 69), or to reduce some of the harshness of a silicon fuzz pedal, or you are trying to get the Hank Marvin tone.
@@demeanor3704 Good point. The guitar vol knob is much stronger. If I have bright AlNiCo single coil pickups then I set the guitar vol & tone knobs all to 8 to remove some of the harshness and also to give me the option of a little more brightness if and when I need it by going back up to 10 (usually the guitar vol knob).
Can someone please tell me if a 2018 Player HSS Strat has 500 or 250 kOhm Vol. Pot by standard? I want to order capacitor and resistance for a treble bleed, but i don't know the value of my Strats vol. pot. Thanks in advantage.
I never completely understood the whole Treble Bleed thing. I still play LIVE so the Treble Bleed thing is not required for stage cuz everything is typically dimed. I let my attack and palm muting dictate loudness & sharpness of tone. However, for the bedroom or living -room or learning a song for 1st time, I guess it would be helpful. interestingly, Gretch has started installing this Treble Bleed thing in its Hi-End / Pro-line guitars. Regardless, I haven;t been impressed. I've played newer Gretsch's at GC and honestly, the cheaper Electromatic Gretsch's have a warmer more natural sound than the Pro-Line Gretch's with Factory Installed Treble bleed. Infact, I had a GC sales dude listen to the guitars I played and agreed that the Treble Bleed was almost Tone-Sucking . . is that weird ow what ?
Maybe the sucking tone is for other reasons. My Player HSS Strat has a overall better clearer tone since i installed a treble bleed made by myself. Costs me 2 $ and 20 minutes of work. 👍😁
Yes. Absolutely. The pots used are 500K. Yet, you can use a simple 500 pF cap, (10 cents) connected on the pot, between lugs 1 and 2. I did it on mine, only on the neck pick up. It opens up a world of tonal variations.
For a strat or tele. use a 150K ohm resistor across the 1200 PF cap and a 20k Ohm resistor to the outside pot terminal that accepts input from the PUP. use as small of resistors as you can find and the cheapest ceramic cap you can find.
Just as an aside, I'm wondering if a soldering iron holder is a "hodder". A handy dandy sodder hodder? Sorry, I'm English - I say tomato you say tomater, no problem, the mod is worth doing & I shall, thanks ;)
It depends on the value of the volume pot in your particular guitar. But probably yes. I am not sure Fender sells them anymore, but you can find the values in the comments further up.
Jeez that thing is gigantic and probably wouldn’t fit under the CTS pot in the narrow wiring cavity of my Jazzmaster. And why so pricy? Can buy a cap and resistor for around 7 dollars and also have the flexibility to use different values.
there are different styles of treble bleed for guitars, some use a resistor in series with the cap, others use itbin parallel. The impact on the treble and volume roll off is different for each one.
Oh dear. You do know about valve(tube) amps don't you? Try a Deluxe Reverb (20 Watts RMS. 2 6V6s) or a Vibroluxe (40 Watts RMS, two 6L6 beam tubes). They are small enough so your sound man won't yell at you to keep the stage volume down, but you will also be able to turn it up enough for great saturation. These can also play small dates, studio work and they are the choice of more people than I know. I use Deluxe Reverbs, but I replace the ceramic magnet speaker with an Alnico speaker. Punchier. The Vibroluxe comes with an Alnico, I think. (40 watts RMS). Supers are also great -just a tad large with the 4-10"s A Super Reverb is essentially the same circuit as a Bassman or a Vibroluxe at 40 Watts RMS using 2 6L6s. Alas, Supers do not go into cabs so well -hence, i got rid of my 1956 Bassman and '63 Super. The harp player who bought my beloved '56 Bassman, left with a smile like he was stealing mellons. Hey, in NYC, you gotta' get cabs.
50 euro for a cap and a res......mustard cap and a res. 5 euro :D donesky. i love fender but lately they get greedy like gibson......time to buy some harley benton guitars
Way over price but I understand why, It's a all in one capacitor/Resistor Better be made in the USA and come with the iron and tools for that price. A modern Mod at A unmodern PRICE.
150k ohm ¼watt resistor [1% tolerance] in parallel with a .001uF capacitor is a treble bleed. Don't market it as a device... and it should come standard in all you guitars throughout the range
You must not be very experienced with a Strat because there’s enough room in there you could stack two of these on top of the pot and still have room for another one.
Done it myself. 20 cents for 500 pF caps, no resistor. Works great. On a strat, I even made a master tone, connecting to it even the bridge pup. Moved down the master volume, leaving an empty hole, which I filled with a push-push switch to disconnect the treble bleed (50 cents).
@BeTheDeathOfMe But you can still roll back the tone knob if you want to kill the high end. I've done it to nearly all my guitars, just on the neck pup, so I can even blend the 2 in the middle position. A treble bleed like mine (500 PicoF, no resistor) gives you a lot more options. But it's a matter of preference, I know.
@BeTheDeathOfMe I guess I need to have accurate fingers, finding the sweet spot on the tone pot. I generally keep the knob at 5 and play around it or leave it like that. But the reason I installed the extra cap, is because bright tone sounds better to my ear. My personal taste. I like playing country and like that it's close to an acoustic. What music do you like/play?
Love this. First you sell that crappy guitar without the mod. Then u overcharge for it, and sell it without the shrink tube. Next you show us the tone with drive on, of course when u back it off it's muddy. Come on Fender put the right stuff on the guitar when u build it. Totally treating people like fools.
"A capacitor and a resistor of some value..." Do you mean $20 from Mojo, Fender, and Stooge Mac, compared to twenty cents for the same exact parts from an electronics supplier?
"...so it sounds very dull and lifeless...." So why isn't this stock on all Fenders?
+harlon57 I wouldn't be too hard on Fender for that. Too many guitarists refuse to allow progress, and demand that vintage guitars be pretty much unchanged from 50+ years ago. I imagine there would be much moaning if Fender was to make the treble bleed stock, even if it is technically better.
harlon57 I think they've only now put it in the American Pro series. Kind of out of my price range, for now anyway.
Because a) tradition, b) some like it better without and c) it's so easy to add
If you have are playing through a distorted amp chain(real or IR’s, etc) creamy soft, smooth leads can be achieved by rolling back the volume is the perfect choice. This flaw becomes a strength. Wind cries Mary was a cranked Marshall with the volume knob turned down. The result was the creamy leads we all know a love. Having said that I like old and new. I wonder.....adding a little switch and other required circuitry to turn it on or off. One song I might want it vintage...another the tone saver may be exactly what I need.....hmmmm....where’s my soldering gun.
Why do you think? They’re going for between £25 and £60 from what I can see.
Worth every penny! Retains the guitars natural tone in a beautifully musical manner!
Found the dummy who shelled out the $30 lmao
@@PragmaticDany mys are Orange drop treble bleeds
2 for $11
They do do very good
They're smaller
They're better and
Less priced
Worth it
Instead of paying almost 50 bucks for a brand name
@@PragmaticDanyBut it said Fender on it! I can respect brand loyalty. It’s that extra money for a piece of mind I think but yeah got mine for 5 doll hairs
I wish they sold signature picks for £100 each
I'll sell you one of mine for half price !!
Excellent clip. Clear and precise explanation including the circuit diagram. Good job!☺
What exact model guilt is that, the finish is doing things to me
I just removed this off my Tele! Great improvement!
American professional series comes with this already installed
For the 10 cents it costs Fender I am surprised they are willing to go the expense.
Yes let’s go spend another several hundred to a thousand bucks instead of soldering in a sub-dollar component 😹
I have it on my elite strat. It’s amazing.
Tone Saver - really? Come on Fender over 30$ for two capacitors.
Everybody can buy two capacitors and solder them in for not much as 2$. In addition I can choose the values that are right for me.
cheaper than 2$ a couple of cents probably
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CONOR it's an RC filter dumbass. I don't think your smart enough to do the circuit analysis I bet you just use trial and error to cherry pick values.
First thing I thought. It’s a $3 dollar mod. 👎Fender
Silver Mica caps are considered the holy grailby HiFi freaks in these values.
In my opinion, Fender guitars the best, at least that's how I feel about my strat, in particular. This mod everyone seems to be freakin out about, is actually an invention discovery by someone and Fender seems to have capitalized on, and it became a marketing idea. So they cooked one up, labeled it and put it up for sale. And to give some answer to those that feel, "Why not just make and sell the fender guitar with the mod already on". Well, with the "already high price of the American strat, I feel Stock has always been the better option. Take for example the stock 1970 Chevy Malibu,. But then you can buy and add "Posi-Rear traction", perhaps a Turbine, Headers, even drop the auto trans and covert to 4spd stick! It is true that the know-how-to musician can research the mods caps & resistors values and make one. Its the best way to learn. I made mine using the Sprague orange drop .047 100v capasitor and 470ohm resistor. Paid $3 for cap and .25c for the resis. Cheers..
Does this keep the bass as well when you roll off or is just strictly a treble bleed circuit?
Is it just me, or is his tone crazy good? I love that tone! What amp/mic combo is he using?
Jason Kerr not a Squier and kitana, I bet..lol
You should do your example playing CLEAN so we can hear the circuit better.
This circuit is called an "R/C circuit", -i.e., a resistive/capacitance circuit. Such passive circuits are intended to maintain output impedance across the range of the volume control rheostat in concert with the impedance of the total pickup/rheostat circuit. Remember, that a PUP is an coil with a magnet (i.e., a transformer) and thus introduces a more complex element to the circuit called INDUCTANCE. Using a passive resistive/capacitance circuits (R/C circuit) is OK, but is NOT exactly perfect. They indeed help maintain a more consistent IMPEDANCE so that the amp input sees a more consistent impedance load; -hence a more consistent tone over the volume control's range... but it aint perfect. You WILl still hear some difference and generally prefer the volume control at the full setting.
However, such a passive circuit can be done FAR cheaper AND BETTER by simply buying TWO 1/4 watt resisters and a ceramic capacitor. (The Fender all-in-one circuit can only be using ONE bleed resistor). For a standard Tele or Strat, The resistors should be 150K Ohms & 20K Ohms. (they can be off a few Ks -it does not matter much.) It also does not matter if they are 1%, 5% or 10% tolerance, film or carbon. Buy the CHEAPEST resisters you can find.
You will also need a 1200 - 1500 picoFarad (PF) ceramic disc capacitor. Again, buy the cheapest one you can find -it does NOT matter, both will last longer than your life and sound no better nor worse than the most expensive parts.
Do NOT be suckered into expensive bee's wax or other pseudo relic capacitors. In this case, a picoFarad is a picoFarad. and an Ohm is an Ohm! Yeah, I know there are people who claim to be able to hear a difference. Blind-fold them and do a repetitive test. Nope, NO ONE, can tell the difference. After the test, do NOT remove the blindfold. EVER. The subject will never notice the difference as they are blind to start with.
Even in active amplifier circuits, as long as you use the correct type of capacitance (e.g., polarised, non-polarised, film, polyprop, ceramic., etc) , it will sound the same as the fancy "super-duper" snob capacitors. In this case these parts should cost no more than about $1.50 for the three parts. Usually, they are sold 5 resistors for a buck or two. A 1200 PF low voltage ceramic cap is about as dirt cheap as caps get (10 - 20 cents). Most places will sell these 3 or 5 in a pack as well, so, perhaps, you will pay maybe 3 - 4 bucks and have enough parts for another 3 guitars. For a simple diagramme of the circuit see: www.fender.com/articles/tech-talk/how-a-treble-bleed-circuit-can-affect-your-tone.
This will sound a tad better than the all-in-one Fender circuit because the better passive way to control the load of this circuit requires TWO resistors in different places on the "pot" (Rheostat).
HOWEVER, if you really want to have an effective PASSIVE load control AND isolation circuit (less hum), look around for a high quality line-level audio transformer. You can cannibalise a high impedance microphone transformer. Ideally, you want high impedance to high impedance x-former, but this can be fudged considerably and sound fine. This is how the pros do it without an active circuit, although most guys use active circuits for live performances (it is safer). An X-former isolates the guitar's inductive circuit, and the hum is usually lowered.
-Particularly, if you are playing a house with a large lighting system. This will prevent the noise from entering the amplification circuit. The problem here is that you want a fairly high-quality transformer, but you do NOT need a board level hi-fi x-former (e.g. a Western Electric, RCA, etc.) . Call Antique Electronics in AZ, they'll likely have something for less than 10 -15 bucks. Alas, this is really only for touring pros who never know what the spurious EMF is flying about the venue they are playing. I remember playing a date once where my guitar sounded OK until I clicked in my volume pedal and this picked up the lighting EMF and made me sound like a bad radio. Alas, you can also use a WIRELESS device and do much the same thing. Wireless guitar setups are much better these days, but they aint cheap if you want a good one. Ultimately, wireless is what most pros use THESE days. 20 years ago, they were a tad dodgy and I ended up wired for many dates. (CB radio or lighting EMF would suddenly blast over my solo...)
Oh yeah, -Tele players, reverse your control panel and reverse the pots, -i.e. the volume pot becomes closest to the bridge, -just like a Strat. Good luck.
40 Bucks for 680pF capacitor and one 150K resistor connected in parallel ? Serious ?
Is i the value is what is inside the package?
aknelkaiser yes! This thing is just one capacitor and one resistor at a Fender package...
worth 50 Cent
You can make you own for under $5 USD is you own a soldering iron.
I'm a huge Fender fan, that said this product seems to be WAAAYYYY OVERPRICED and oversized!!
My 1975, and 1977 telecasters have the stock treble bleed capacitor in them. I will be putting the same value .001 cap in my Classic Series 60s Tele.
Meanwhile i found out my HSS Strat has a 250 k Vol. pot. I ordered corresponding capacitor and resistor and solder them together and then on the Strats vol. pot. These parts costs together one or two $/€ and around 20 - 30 minutes of work. Saves 50 to 60 €/$ compared to the Fender Tone Saver costs. 👍😉. And it works fine!
Great take up more space then needed
Welcome back to another guitar instructional video with disturbed's david draiman.
I can definely hear the difference
***** Treble bleed circuits work great and I put one on all my guitars (I prefer the "Kinman" style. with the resistor and capacitor wired in series.) However, in no way, shape or form is this worth anything _remotely_ close to the $49.99 that Fender's charging. You can get the exact same effect with a $1 capacitor and $0.25 resistor wired in either series or parallel (whichever sounds/works better for you.)
*****
I just wrote basically the same comment, just before I saw yours.
Totally agree!
I find the full up tone to be quite different before and after the Tone saver installation. It seems the guitar has lost something at top volume, What would be needed to ensure the tone is not so affected when in the 8-10 region? Should it be a lower resistance or lower capacitor?
You’re perceiving something that isn’t there. At full volume the tone saver in not doing anything. With the volume pot wide open the pot and tone saver are essentially out of the circuit.
love that color on that strat!!!
I wonder how many pairs of a resistor and a cap I could buy for what Fender is charging for the 2 in the "tone a saver"? I'm betting enough to do 25 or 30 guitars
Realistically, for the money you could buy enough caps and resistors to upgrade every single guitar in every guitar center store in the US.
Love the color on the strat ! I like the clear heat shrink , I haven't seen any that small, where can I get it?
Why wouldnt Fender offer this on every model? At least intermediate price and up... Cmon guys!!
metelegerald Not everybody goes for that kind of sound. Some people want it to get duller when they roll down the volume. But I do get you. I certainly like the difference I hear.
+supahchief Over the past forty years of playing, I've never heard someone say they really like the loss of tone when they roll-off the volume, but "I've heard everyone I've ever talked to it about say it sucks. R/C (Resistor/Capacitor) combinations for two-dollars have been around for decades....this is fender charging $30 for $2 worth of parts put into a small container.
Excellent Product, 👍👍👍.
Great Instructions.
Beautiful Colour, is that Wine Red?
Melbourne, Australia.
Am I wrong but wasn't there a capacitor on the first tone pot already?
That one is for the tone knob control.
the tonesaver works extremely well on a strat(jeff Beck strat). Work done in 15 min.
Buy a capacitor and a resistor, do it yourself in 20 minutes and save 40 bucks.
am I the only who watches shit like this just to be entertained and to not really do this on my guitar?
Have you seen the price of this capacitor and resister combo? Holy molly. This should be like £4 no £60
For £4, you can actually buy a box of couple hundred resistors and capacitors + get a free shipping.
Do it yourself for two €. 😁 I did and it works fine!
Thanks for posting
I just want to know what color that is...
The sound is beautiful. Can we know the amp model too? Thank you!
Nice, I actually hear a difference. Lots of the mods sound useless . I have very old ears.
I would put this on one guitar but not another. Apples to oranges. Fender (or somebody) needs to offer a split pull version of this, as well as a split/pull version of the tone/mid control. Hell, I might coerce some of my more technically minded friends to come up with something along these lines if nobody can offer up a solution right away.
Great job!
Nice color strat
Thank you so much...
Or use a variable resistor connected to cap to fine tune the value instead of only having two choices.
You could do that. It would be easy to test it with a Les Paul guitar, or any other guitar where you can access the control cavity from the back. It would be a hassle for the Strat because you'd have to set the variable resistor, put the pickguard on, put the strings back on, and cross your fingers you got a good setting!
hey John. Cool video. Whats the color of that guitar cos it is amazing!!
How about for for my eric Clapton signature guitar that has 50kohms potentiometer only is there available for it?
Sounds grraaait!
I thought that some of the reasons for turning down the guitar volume to 7 or 8 are to roll off some of the top end if your bridge pickup is too bright (e.g. Custom Shop 69), or to reduce some of the harshness of a silicon fuzz pedal, or you are trying to get the Hank Marvin tone.
Couldn’t you use the tone knob for that?
@@demeanor3704 Good point. The guitar vol knob is much stronger. If I have bright AlNiCo single coil pickups then I set the guitar vol & tone knobs all to 8 to remove some of the harshness and also to give me the option of a little more brightness if and when I need it by going back up to 10 (usually the guitar vol knob).
How much is the 500k treble bleed parts?
Have one of these in an old 80s contemporary telecaster and yes it is overpriced .It is also a very good treble bleed with a fender logo on it !
Can someone please tell me if a 2018 Player HSS Strat has 500 or 250 kOhm Vol. Pot by standard? I want to order capacitor and resistance for a treble bleed, but i don't know the value of my Strats vol. pot. Thanks in advantage.
belle guitar nice color
Hi, which would you recommend for a Eric Clapton sig strat as the volume pot is 50k
Congrats on the video! does not this system allow you to lower the volume fully?
You can do what you like with the volume. You just won't lose the top end.
I never completely understood the whole Treble Bleed thing. I still play LIVE so the Treble Bleed thing is not required for stage cuz everything is typically dimed. I let my attack and palm muting dictate loudness & sharpness of tone. However, for the bedroom or living -room or learning a song for 1st time, I guess it would be helpful. interestingly, Gretch has started installing this Treble Bleed thing in its Hi-End / Pro-line guitars. Regardless, I haven;t been impressed. I've played newer Gretsch's at GC and honestly, the cheaper Electromatic Gretsch's have a warmer more natural sound than the Pro-Line Gretch's with Factory Installed Treble bleed. Infact, I had a GC sales dude listen to the guitars I played and agreed that the Treble Bleed was almost Tone-Sucking . . is that weird ow what ?
Maybe the sucking tone is for other reasons. My Player HSS Strat has a overall better clearer tone since i installed a treble bleed made by myself. Costs me 2 $ and 20 minutes of work. 👍😁
PARA UN CLEAN TOTAL CUAL ES MEJOR?
CON O SIN treble bleed?
can i put this Tone Saver on a Gibson Les Paul?
Yes. Absolutely. The pots used are 500K. Yet, you can use a simple 500 pF cap, (10 cents) connected on the pot, between lugs 1 and 2. I did it on mine, only on the neck pick up. It opens up a world of tonal variations.
@@fabiogasperini4809
thank you my friend,,,
If you want the same function as here try to parallel a 150K resistor too.
He sounds like John Mayer
Lmao he does!!!
I need this
Can you use these 500K tone savers on a rig modified with coil taps?
Great video ... WHAT COLOR is that STRAT. It's beautiful.
I can't believe this is not a joke.
what are the values of the resistor and capacitor?
For a strat or tele. use a 150K ohm resistor across the 1200 PF cap and a 20k Ohm resistor to the outside pot terminal that accepts input from the PUP. use as small of resistors as you can find and the cheapest ceramic cap you can find.
@@BixLives32 That seems to be way off, look further up.
Yo me pregunto, sí saben eso inclusive en las fábricas, por qué ya no lo ponen de fábrica? jjjj, pero ta, eso es lo divertido de "tunear" guitarras.
Which kind of cap is this one? A or B?
So, is this basically a grease bucket tone circuit rolled into one little package?
If I remember correctly, the grease bucket is exactly the opposite. Rolls off tone without cutting volume. This cuts volume without losing tone
Greasbucket tone circuit affects the tone pots. This affects the volume pot.
Your voice sounds like john mayer
Just as an aside, I'm wondering if a soldering iron holder is a "hodder". A handy dandy sodder hodder? Sorry, I'm English - I say tomato you say tomater, no problem, the mod is worth doing & I shall, thanks ;)
What size is the heat shrink tubing that you are using?
I have an American special hss. Should I use a 500k?
It depends on the value of the volume pot in your particular guitar. But probably yes. I am not sure Fender sells them anymore, but you can find the values in the comments further up.
Can this tone saver be used on a J Bass?
40$for the .022uf cap and 220ohm resistor really haha they just combined this two item and compress turn into one item
That cannot be the correct values.
Didn't SRV use a treble bleed?
I've been researching this as well! So far from what I've read, he didn't.
@@xderiwx thanks for sharing!!!!!
Jeez that thing is gigantic and probably wouldn’t fit under the CTS pot in the narrow wiring cavity of my Jazzmaster. And why so pricy? Can buy a cap and resistor for around 7 dollars and also have the flexibility to use different values.
Just share the two values and we’ll make our own!
why is there two components to do this? I thought you just use a cap to allow the treble through when reducing volume?
there are different styles of treble bleed for guitars, some use a resistor in series with the cap, others use itbin parallel. The impact on the treble and volume roll off is different for each one.
There are different types of treble bleed. One is just a cap, another is a cap and resistor in parallel and another is a cap and resistor in series.
Your tone on ex. 2 post mod seems mainly due to your intentional play style changes.
Wanna buy it, but not sure what version i need - 250k or 500k - for american 2013 standart strat. Please, help
250 for a std. 500 is for humbuckers
I would call Fender and ask them to be sure. That's what I did.
Does this have any affect when the volume pot is all the way up?
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no.. its the same. The cap only helps retain the treble clarity when volume is rolled down.
+NiagaraTim Thanks mate :)
I use hot glue to manage wires and components. It's great for keeping things neat and manageable
Why this is not a standard for Fender guitars!?
Yeah, what amp are you using??
Oh dear. You do know about valve(tube) amps don't you? Try a Deluxe Reverb (20 Watts RMS. 2 6V6s) or a Vibroluxe (40 Watts RMS, two 6L6 beam tubes). They are small enough so your sound man won't yell at you to keep the stage volume down, but you will also be able to turn it up enough for great saturation. These can also play small dates, studio work and they are the choice of more people than I know. I use Deluxe Reverbs, but I replace the ceramic magnet speaker with an Alnico speaker. Punchier. The Vibroluxe comes with an Alnico, I think. (40 watts RMS). Supers are also great -just a tad large with the 4-10"s A Super Reverb is essentially the same circuit as a Bassman or a Vibroluxe at 40 Watts RMS using 2 6L6s. Alas, Supers do not go into cabs so well -hence, i got rid of my 1956 Bassman and '63 Super. The harp player who bought my beloved '56 Bassman, left with a smile like he was stealing mellons. Hey, in NYC, you gotta' get cabs.
so what do I need? I have a hss strat. 200k or 500k? any ideas?
any cap you want, it doesnt actually matter which you use, different value caps give different results
50 euro for a cap and a res......mustard cap and a res. 5 euro :D donesky. i love fender but lately they get greedy like gibson......time to buy some harley benton guitars
All the same for me
Way over price but I understand why, It's a all in one capacitor/Resistor Better be made in the USA and come with the iron and tools for that price. A modern Mod at A unmodern PRICE.
Just wire it 50s style.
I like my "heat gun" . It's called a Bic.
150k ohm ¼watt resistor [1% tolerance] in parallel with a .001uF capacitor is a treble bleed. Don't market it as a device... and it should come standard in all you guitars throughout the range
What color is it?
I think it is a really really dark red
Looks like "Oxblood" or "Midnight Wine" to me.
Soddering without boddering!
You didn't show how much of the control cavity had to be routed out to make room for that giant tone saver.
You must not be very experienced with a Strat because there’s enough room in there you could stack two of these on top of the pot and still have room for another one.
@@joshuajkoplin I'm not familiar with strats because I'm not part of the lgbtqs community. The S is for strat players.
$40 for the single coil one.
So tell us why this is not part of the factory build other than trying to screw us for an extra 40 bucks.
Done it myself. 20 cents for 500 pF caps, no resistor. Works great. On a strat, I even made a master tone, connecting to it even the bridge pup. Moved down the master volume, leaving an empty hole, which I filled with a push-push switch to disconnect the treble bleed (50 cents).
Um, you already answered your question.
can't install it on S1-Switch? Can i?
This is an end-of circuit thing -why would you want to?
Just leave the volume set at 11!
Could never understand why turning down the volume pot changed the treble so much...
Dont use a soldering iron unless you have experience or someone experienced near you
Why is this an after market thing??????? Why not do this on the factory floor????
@BeTheDeathOfMe But you can still roll back the tone knob if you want to kill the high end. I've done it to nearly all my guitars, just on the neck pup, so I can even blend the 2 in the middle position. A treble bleed like mine (500 PicoF, no resistor) gives you a lot more options. But it's a matter of preference, I know.
@BeTheDeathOfMe I guess I need to have accurate fingers, finding the sweet spot on the tone pot. I generally keep the knob at 5 and play around it or leave it like that. But the reason I installed the extra cap, is because bright tone sounds better to my ear. My personal taste. I like playing country and like that it's close to an acoustic.
What music do you like/play?
What ! And lose the opportunity to make another $40-$50 for an otherwise cheap and easy upgrade ?
You can get the same result by turning the tone control down to 5-6 when your Volume pot is turned down..
Certainly not, how would that preserve the treble??
what soldering iron is that? :-)
Andi Joseph bruh
An hot one.
For an 5 cents they could add one as standard.
I want Fondu Custom Chop Heavily Relic Tone-Saver treble bleeder, then sell it for 200 bucks
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These things dont work well with fuzz
Love this.
First you sell that crappy guitar without the mod. Then u overcharge for it, and sell it without the shrink tube. Next you show us the tone with drive on, of course when u back it off it's muddy. Come on Fender put the right stuff on the guitar when u build it.
Totally treating people like fools.
It's Fender. What do you expect?
Same for Gibson.
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"A capacitor and a resistor of some value..." Do you mean $20 from Mojo, Fender, and Stooge Mac, compared to twenty cents for the same exact parts from an electronics supplier?