YOUR NAME IS NASIF?! I swear I thought it was Lawrence
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Much respect to LonerBox for interviewing people on the ground and keeping things real. It is a good reminder that what is being said on Tiktok and Twitter may not represent reality.
Also sometimes you just got to be there to actually let things sink in. As Loner says at 1:32:28, it is easy to for Internet activists and pundits to come up with solutions when they are not the ones having to experience the consequences of their decisions. But the people in Israel and Palestine do. Going on the ground is a good reminder that these people are real and not some abstract thing to debate and virtue signal over.
it's as if direct testimony from actual Gazans going through an actual genocide on their own social media accounts doesn't exist, and instead it's all just conjecture that needs to be cut through by traveling to fking isreal and getting a bunch of propagandized takes from colonial psychopaths jfc
I remember a story from a guy who went to Israel during Shabbat. Two orthodox dressed men ran up to him at night, on the street, begging him to turn off their fan?? He went to their apartment, and saw a whole family all staring at a sparking fan, which they wouldn't unplug.
I'm Elohim was looking down and smiling as that family coward in fear of burning to death. Yay religion!
@@tomlangford1999literally this is what I’m told at Torah study lol. This is a well known rule. This story is bullshit
@@tomlangford1999 Presumably they didn't think they were in serious danger, but that's one of the issues in these cases (and fucking around with electricity in particular). Yeah probably it's nothing too dangerous so you can do whatever (religion, laziness, saving a buck)... or maybe that fishy smell really is all your house wiring catching fire and you need to cut everything and be out within a minute.
Thanks for this! Proud of you, my son.
The last 10-15 minutes really needs to be emphasized and promoted more the maximalist position ultimately makes things worse and we all lose walls and distance reduce contact and spreads dehumanization on both sides. And as much as we think technology and social media conect us. The algorithms are mostly designed to feed our biases and not for humanization and we end up seeing things through one particular lens.
I have to say that as an Israeli I once saw some out of context clips of you that made me think you are really anti Israeli so I began watching your videos and was very very pleasantly suprised by how objective you are and that you are the perfect example of what people should be like when talking about this conflict, if more people in the west and in Israel / Palestine would think like, we would get peace in no time.
Thanks for your content and for visiting us, really shows you aren’t just another random debater, you care and you want to know and learn.
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Loner the camell knight
it's a good class for him! Maybe he can promote to a Camel Sage and use magic tomes
I think the well-being of the state of Israel is important for many reasons. But I think that the setter colonialist in the Westbank is in opposition to Israel's well being. Infact to be pro Israel you must want peace with its neighbors and you must want a successful autonomous Palestinian state along side the Israeli state.
many Israelis thought the same. but After the intifadas many lost hope for that, and now after october 7th there is even less hope for it among Israelis.
the position of the Israeli far right is that they want to build settlements so they don't get murdered. and honestly who could blame them after what happened? who could blame them when you see essentially every leading force in this conflict besides Israel propping the Palestinians to fight until Israel ceases to exist. be it the UN, UNRWA the far left, Hamas Hezbollah, Muslims around the world. I haven't seen a single influential organization that genuinely strived for peace that didn't come from Israel.
So for the agressive guy on the street, from what i heard him say was , he repeatly asking u why u filming him with a buntch of slurs😅
Hi, I appreciate your efforts man! A few points to consider:
1. Former labor party leader was a woman with no military background.
2. Yair Golan was previously a member of the Merets party which is considered far left.
I’m a bit surprised he had a problem talking about the bad stuff done to the Palestinians, as we (the left) are very aware.
3. If I’m not mistaken, Nas daily changed his self definition to first Israeli and than Palestinian after October 7th.
he probably had a problem because of the war, and the current anti Israel rhetoric around the world. it's really not the time and place for it from the Israeli left's perspective. they're just gonna destroy any hint of popularity they had left.
This is awesome, big up the Box Stocks
The way you say Nablus it sounds so much more like Neapolis than usually
(When i say it it sounds like the french word for lawn that's it)
It is true that its absolutely vital to respect differing cultural values when trying to make peace. You can very easily make this argument without being racist
Dr. Mordechai Keidar is a bit of a nut job, but it is a very amusing seeing him being interviewed on Arab TV channels. He always ends up clashing with the host and other guests.
You do know that during the first Israeli-Lebanese war in 1982, the Lebanese Christians greeted the Israeli tanks with cheers, and throwing rice at them?
So maybe the hatered is because Israel left them high and dry after retreating from Lebanon in 2000?
Same as US leaving Afghanistan
The afgans that supported friendly us
Now hate them for betrail
Very interesting. Thank you!
Very interesting, thank you
I think that a lot of Israelis believe in European great replacement theory. Some people that I know that are extremely left wing here, some that advocate for a Palestinian state, believe in it
I'm not shocked. The Israeli left is extremely weak. They have been for ages and even the most left wing liberal Zionist Israeli probably has gecidal thoughts against Palestinians.
@@michaelmckeown5396Probably because Israelis actually have historically been in conflict with Arabs who want to control the land and want the Israelis out.
I appreciates ya Loner
I saw footage of Steven on two podcasts, and I think that's all footage from the trip you guys published for now, or did I miss something?
Maybe this was always unrealistic, but I expected we'd see hours of footage by now. Are you just planning to release with time a couple of interviews that you did, or is there - for a lack of better word in my ESL vocab - some vlogging material about your day to day experience moving around? Are you planning to successfully dump video materials, or you're just planning to release very limited, mostly interviews, edited content?
1:06:40 while this dude is telling you about the camera flashes the other dudes in the car try to decide where to get you a Druze pita for you to be mabsut lol
First...i think.
Great content Loner!
Excellent video Bonerbox.
As someone who has voted Hadash other than in 2021, Yair Golan has my attention (In '21 I voted labour, hoping to shift Netanyahu from the center. Under Merav Michaeli. Which was my biggest voting mistake. She went full fascist on covid. And Bennet was complete disaster).
Obviously, I'll have to see when/if we get elections... but yeah. I am paying attention to Yair Golan
Elections don't matter in Israel as they will always oppress Palestinians from far right to far left, the only difference is how much or how effective.
I would love to go to the reigon, I spoke to a Lebanese friend about Hezbollah and Israel and he had such a nuanced take on the subject (though it basically came down to hating both sides and getting Israel to stop invading). Everyone from the Middle East I've spoken to on this is 100x more interesting on this topic than the people in the tent protests at my university
I motherfuckin really appreciate your voice on this topic. You are way more studied and measured than so many other peoples on this
Mr. Worldwide
Really appreciate podcasters\streamers coming to conflict zones and interviewing people, often people from both sides get to hear the other's opinions only through the lenses of third parties. Those street interviews are super important.
It is also important to get a mirror of your own country people, self reflection is hard during self defence, and sometimes you need to feel the shame of hearing horrid answers to questions just to understand your own society needs to do better.
I am especially interested in the North-Israeli lady you talked to, as I am also from northen Israel (which is a region that is very different than the rest of the country politically, and people there have an untypical view; see the overwhelming positive view of Lebanon as an example, northen Israelis should have all the reasons to have hard feelings, but they don't). I feel that when people talk to Israelis they almost always either pick the West Bank settler, or the Tel Aviv leftist - and the voices of the Northern minorities or the Southern Periphery are barely ever heard of.
@LonerBox, if you think the shabat elevators is a loophole, wait until you hear this - a married women need to cover her hair, but the crazy part that she is allowed to do so with a wig!!
FYI: Completing a circuit by pressing buttons or flicking a switch is considered work and not allowed on Shabbat. It's why they use electrical timers during Shabbat
It is not a requirement that heads of labor party be ex IDF generals.
Shimon Peres did not serve in the IDF.
Amir Peretz, Merav Michaeli, Issac Hertzog (current Israeli president), Sheli Yehimovitch, Avi Gabay were not Generals in the IDF.
Peres was part of the HaHagana and was responsible for weapon purchases and later took charge of the navel service too. Plus he was part of a group of people that Ben Gurion considered his successors.
Not directly the labor party but Yair lapid has one of the biggest parties multiple times, mostly center leaning like the labor and he was barely a soldier at all
58:00 I wonder if the facial recognition was used in a limited fashion by a few people and had issues
Or maybe the guy he talked too just never got it and was there fore unaware of it. It’s possible that it’s one of those special forces exclusive type systems.
shabat rules is depends on the ppl or secular community, in Jerusalem for example you'll find shabat elevators but not in other cities or not in every building. some keep shabat by just not using tv/phone/media generally just to rest the mind and some can take it to extreme to the point they'll tear toilet papers to parts before shabat bc some rebi said tearing paper concidered as "work" lol
basically shabat is emphasising "not to work" and one of the things that considered as work is lighting fire and electricity is considered as "fire"
1:15:00 - Just to add a point to the Sheikh Jarah story. First of all I do think that there actually were houses there that the Jordanians used to house the refugees flowing in from Israel. The Israeli supreme court ruled in favor of the Jewish organization because the Jordanians did not legaly transfer the ownership of the houses and the land to the hands of the refugees, unlike Israel that passed an absentee law.
The worst thing we did? Seems kinda ez to answer…
57 years of oppression under occupation. 57 years that we did nothing to order to build a strong authority who will rule over the West Bank
@@cubencis Ez, The worst thing we did was not take responsibility for the radical terrorist groups who came from inside of us, who put nails in the wheels toward meaningful agreement between the two nationalities. And dismissing it just as what did you expect? And by that feeding the idea to the radical right in Israel that the Palestinians cant police themselves and only we can.
39:50 this is the same in the North/South Korea divide, borders tend to do that.
What do you say about Lebanon's treatment of Ain al-Hilweh? They dont enforce the law there, they eracted a wall akin to hahafrada wall, and have checkpoints. Very similar to what Israel is doing... How do you think they should solve this issue?
30:33 what??? Maybe in Aberdeen it was the ‘default’ position to be anti- Scottish independence for the youth, but certainly not for the rest of the country, generally speaking. I grew up in a political household, both parents ran for offices for SNP in the 90s. But growing up in the ‘proud proddy’ west of Scotland, who gleefully sang songs about the British bathing in Irish blood, even THEY wanted independence. In later ‘proddy’ years in the 20s onwards, they became reflexively anti-independence, but the reflexive opinion of independence was always pro, due to our cultural hatred of the English. And, yes, it IS cultural.
Critical support to maronites in their fight against the islamo-imperialist hezbollah forces
Haha oh yea shabbat elevators and escalators 😂. Saw that some years ago. Yea its a loopal .i think its the idea of not just about working but kindeling of a fire which is usually why escalators are supposed to be off on Saturday too but... i mean theirs interpretation is so wrong. The idea is that only people and animals cant work a job on Saturday. Pretty obvious. If you lived on the 10 floor of an apartment and walked up it instead of taking an elevator, u would actually be doing more of a work since in Judaism typically the difference is how much energy use distance u go in travel. An elevator and escalator cuts the work out of walking so .but dont matter 😂
It was only 19 years between the land being stolen from the Jewish owners and when Isreal reclaimed the land. The standard that was set at the time in 1967 is that the owners in 1947 were the owners in 1967 but because thepeople living there had been displaced and settled international law prevented them from beign displaced. So the Israeli court ordered the residents to pay rent. They did not pay rent. So an almost 60 year legal process of evacuating the residents has proceede in Israeli courts which is ultimately being resolvved by settler organizations buying the land from the owners and then funding the legal struggle to remove the tenents. This isn't confiscating land after 50 years, the legal ownership was resolved in 1967, but international humanitarian law prevented the now settled refugees from being made refugees again as long as they paid rent.
@@stephendavis5530 And the Palestinian wish to reclaim the land they lost in 1948 and 1967, is that right? If it's good for the goose it's good for the gander right?
@@gudmundursteinar Yes, because that land was forcibly taken away from them. 750,000 were forced off their land during Plan Dalat.
@@stephendavis5530yes, but the arabs kept killing jews so they had good reason to kick them out
Weird place for vacation
maybe nontraditional, but it's [normally] a SUPER pretty area of the world. Absolutely gorgeous!
@@janaejoaodosacramento9731 perhaps, I only watched half of it cause he keeps rambling about insane Zios without actually calling them what they are.
Wait when did Vaush burn the bridge?
Yeah I think Vaush can only be friends with people who never offer any pushback and that just ain't lonerbox
He didn’t. Loner later watched the clip of people trying to get vaush to denounce him and it was essentially vaush ripping them a new poop shoot for trying to gatekeep and police which content creators he’s aloud to engaged with, considering that’s a tactic used heavily against himself. It was very very funny.
@@SS-xr7jf thank you, I only watched the first like 10 minutes and was really confused since I never saw him say that.
is not what happened in Kosovo kinda expansion of Muslims by immigration?
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Visiting Israel*
Who paid you?
This guy just got a taste of what Palestinians go through at checkpoints every day😂. I mean, if pulling aside someone just because they have an arabic name isn't racism well i guess i get pulled over for being black just for security reasons. The cope is strong with this one.
They were brutally murdered on Oct 7th and have had quite a few ter*or(ist) attacks since. Ofc the security is on even higher alert than they were before the war.
So Israel paid for you to go for a vacation there?!?
@@janaejoaodosacramento9731 Israel likes to fly over people who support their facist apartheid state
Dylan Burns wannabe war tourist vibes
He literally went there to interview people lol, no one ever claimed that Boner was putting his life at risk in a deadly pilgrimage to discover his maronite routes
Loner of Arabia