The trouble is if you have an existing environment running with vSAN, vRo, vRA, NSX that`s only a couple of years old, you cannot just replace it with something else. It takes time and a tonne of money for new hard and software to build something new... while in the meantime your current systems are still running on the "old" platform and are constantly growing...
The additional problem is nothing else comes close for the full feature set. Good enough exists but having used and even added extra Nutanix recently, I'd rather pay extra for VMware. It just works, Nutanix doesn't to the same degree. Nutanix had us production impacted for a week, no active follow up, account manager useless, 3 separate calls to fix all the issues, tried blaming other vendors. No thanks.
Won't be worth all this trouble since Intel has their stuff together again it seems like.... Bigger dilemma will be what to choose to move to FROM Vmware
Well, different context. *Threadripper shenanigans:* _Now that AMD has gone off the deep end like Broadcom, Xeon lives! FISTPUMP_ *Epyc PostgreS clusters:* _The difference between the old Xeon and the new Xeon is the difference between a rotting corpse and a fresh corpse._
Useful information, didn't know about the VAMT tool and will have to take a look. We're still a vmware shop and probably will be for the foreseeable future, and have a VMUG license for home use. Many of our clients also use vmware inside their own enclaves on smaller scales where they change hardware more frequently (especially with intel screwing the pooch for the last several years), so this does have my interest.
This is why Lisa Sue talks about having an open communication with competitors and not stepping on toes unlike Nvidia that wants to have a closed system.
Well you just go from 27 to 3 You don’t want to loose the redundancy obviously but the likelihood of a failure lessens if you’re looking at fewer systems
Funny that YT doesn’t seem to like criticism about Broadcom, wrote a comment about my bad experiences with Broadcom and It disappeared :( Does Broadcom advertise on UA-cam?
Would love to see a demo. I'm in this boat right now trying to migrate away from an old Skylake based Cisco HyperFlex cluster running vSphere 8. Every option I've explored so far has been all Intel and no AMD.
Question: Can you somehow hook up VMware Workstation Pro on a desktop computer to a Proxmox server in the same network to upload VMs to it that get automatically adapted to run there? As a lay person that was one of my favorite features with an ESXi homelab before VMware decided that this market segment had no right to exist.
less downtime because the storage is essentially pre replicated except for the final last bits once the vm goes offline. can kinda do it with vsphere replication too except the tool lets you manage testing and rollback automatically
@@ElementeGaming nah online vMotion won't work because of different CPU features/instruction sets. They're even different across Intel generations and even more between Intel and AMD.
At a price of 17k+ I guess this (the 6900 Series + VMWare) is clearly not winning any cost per xFlops and not scalable for many companies. Competition to IBM when it comes to super huge RDBMS clusters... HPC maybe or government where everything is OPM (Other People's Money). Or data centers that cater for AI startups that are more marketing than tech. Cool from an enthusiast perspective though if one is privileged enough to play around with. But agree with other comments below: VMware is now the goose that lays golden eggs and goes the same way that RHEL goes so if one has to actually earn money in a world with chip crisis, GPU shortages, GPU overpricing, pandemics and crypto than solutions like Proxmox serve the 90% wile VMWare caters for the 10%.
For migration from our old Intel Cluster to our new AMD clusters we use vSphere Replication, which significantly lowers the downtime of the VM compared to that with an offline migration. vRepl also supports multiple network interfaces, so if you're working with multi firewalled DMZs and subnets, it's easy to connect multiple environments to one vRepl appliance. With vRepl you can replicate the VM to the destination beforehand, stop the source machine, do a final sync of the data, hit recover VM in vRepl and presto, your VM is migrated in minutes (even with VMs that are 10+TB in size) Also the source stays in place in case anything goes wrong, you just turn back on the old VM Only issue we ran into is that you manually have to copy over the MAC address of the source VM on the intel platform over to the new "recovered VM" on the AMD side before you power on the VM (but you could easily script that through powercli if you have multiple VMs to do). Oh did i mention... vSphere Replication does NOT have a separate license as it is a feature of certain vSphere license editions. (only if you want to use a RPO lower than 5 minutes, you wil need additional licenses.) vSphere Essentials Plus vSphere Standard vSphere Enterprise vSphere Enterprise Plus vSphere Desktop
iKnow = so fuking stupid = if they just used bigger fans A& combined things into taller chassis could B very quiet, & of course never buy any dive that spins faster than 5400RPM = they R just made 2 overheat & fail & make 2 much noise.
People buying new VMware clusters in 2024? All enterprises I've talked to are fleeing. 😅
Had the same thought, funnily my posts about less than pleasant personal experiences with the corporation behind VMware chose to hide themselves 😅
The trouble is if you have an existing environment running with vSAN, vRo, vRA, NSX that`s only a couple of years old, you cannot just replace it with something else. It takes time and a tonne of money for new hard and software to build something new... while in the meantime your current systems are still running on the "old" platform and are constantly growing...
The additional problem is nothing else comes close for the full feature set. Good enough exists but having used and even added extra Nutanix recently, I'd rather pay extra for VMware. It just works, Nutanix doesn't to the same degree. Nutanix had us production impacted for a week, no active follow up, account manager useless, 3 separate calls to fix all the issues, tried blaming other vendors. No thanks.
@@digibratmigrate them to AWS or Azure
Broadcom really messed things up
Wendell: Xeon is not dead! Also Wendell: "Anyway, here is a tool for quick migration of VMs from Intel to AMD servers.
Won't be worth all this trouble since Intel has their stuff together again it seems like....
Bigger dilemma will be what to choose to move to FROM Vmware
Well, different context.
*Threadripper shenanigans:* _Now that AMD has gone off the deep end like Broadcom, Xeon lives! FISTPUMP_
*Epyc PostgreS clusters:* _The difference between the old Xeon and the new Xeon is the difference between a rotting corpse and a fresh corpse._
Xcp-ng is targeting that market.
@@MrHav1khyper v
I remember back in the day the popular phrase was - No one ever got fired for buying Intel.. Boy, times have changed 😎
Wasn't that phrase' subject IBM?
Broadcom is literally chasing off their own customers.
So sad, VMWare used to be the king.
in the end the world will be a better place I think.
Useful information, didn't know about the VAMT tool and will have to take a look. We're still a vmware shop and probably will be for the foreseeable future, and have a VMUG license for home use. Many of our clients also use vmware inside their own enclaves on smaller scales where they change hardware more frequently (especially with intel screwing the pooch for the last several years), so this does have my interest.
This is why Lisa Sue talks about having an open communication with competitors and not stepping on toes unlike Nvidia that wants to have a closed system.
Unicorn bias is a bitch, when you look at apple and Nvidia. Funnily enough, apple ditched everybody... Except Samsung... They need those displays kekw
I just moved 20 VMs from intel to amd this week. Manually but it was super quick and easy. Cold migration only.
Skylake? Ha! I'm running broadwell. I'm invincible!
Thank you, Wendellman! 🤠
What I don’t like about Intel is that they are swapping platforms more often than The Diddler did the lube supplies during his freak offs.
I am about to do this for about 300 vms
Remember doing a AMD to Intel VMware migration in 2020 was surprisingly easy using VMware Converter.
9:1 consolidation makes me nervous from a fault tolerance perspective. That's a lot of resources to lose if that one server breaks.
Well you just go from 27 to 3
You don’t want to loose the redundancy obviously but the likelihood of a failure lessens if you’re looking at fewer systems
9 to 2 and have 25 percent of all used racks as free for need/new clients
Realistically how often do you lose a blade? Isn t the price of the hardware a reason not to worry for faults?
Funny, are we not allowed to say “Broadcom”? 😂
That depends on how many zeroes you are giving VMware on an annual basis :p
I think you are confusing Rubeus Hagrid here with Albus Dumbledore.
Dumbledore's the one who has no qualm about saying "Broadcom."
it's Hock Tan in particular. He's the king of jacking up prices.
Hock Tan took one look at the legacy VMware price models and just Hawk-Tuah’ed all over them.
Say, "Narrowmindedcom."
It's great to see these useful features. Most likely will continue to use Veeam Backup & Replication for migrations 🤷
This would have been good ages ago. Too bad VMware is dead to me now. I'm off to Nutanix land instead!😆
I went proxmox
Same here, we went a mixture of Hyper V and ProxMox
Last to go is one or two VMWare Workstations.
Qemu and LXC :)
Makes you wonder how much VMware has lost since "adjusting" its prices...
Funny that YT doesn’t seem to like criticism about Broadcom, wrote a comment about my bad experiences with Broadcom and It disappeared :(
Does Broadcom advertise on UA-cam?
Would love to see a demo. I'm in this boat right now trying to migrate away from an old Skylake based Cisco HyperFlex cluster running vSphere 8. Every option I've explored so far has been all Intel and no AMD.
Question: Can you somehow hook up VMware Workstation Pro on a desktop computer to a Proxmox server in the same network to upload VMs to it that get automatically adapted to run there? As a lay person that was one of my favorite features with an ESXi homelab before VMware decided that this market segment had no right to exist.
migration from VM to prox is easy. export and import. then fix drive and network usually. but works fine.
I just did this exact thing earlier this year. I didn't get the 9 to 1 consolidation factor... but I did go from 15:1 cpu core oversubscription to 2:1
Will probably never be used to hearing Broadcom for VMWare
I don't really get what the tool is actually doing. What is the difference to just offline move the VMs to the new cluster?
The marketing budget behind this new feature?
less downtime because the storage is essentially pre replicated except for the final last bits once the vm goes offline. can kinda do it with vsphere replication too except the tool lets you manage testing and rollback automatically
I was wondering the same, not a VMware expert but can't you just vMotion the VMs around, it's all x86 after all
@@ElementeGaming nah online vMotion won't work because of different CPU features/instruction sets. They're even different across Intel generations and even more between Intel and AMD.
man this feels dated… vmware? nahh, not anymore. Proxmox for small to mid biz is way better! and it’s childplay to migrate vmware vm’s to it
Ya iKnow = I'm just a random 'internet idiot' & know there's lots of freeware VMs out there, so hiring somebody for paid VMs is insane.
Woot!
I like Hyper-V
After the fiasco with Realtek everyone I know is moving to cloud. You. An migrate VMware to AWS or Azure easily
oof theyll regret that
At a price of 17k+ I guess this (the 6900 Series + VMWare) is clearly not winning any cost per xFlops and not scalable for many companies. Competition to IBM when it comes to super huge RDBMS clusters... HPC maybe or government where everything is OPM (Other People's Money). Or data centers that cater for AI startups that are more marketing than tech. Cool from an enthusiast perspective though if one is privileged enough to play around with. But agree with other comments below: VMware is now the goose that lays golden eggs and goes the same way that RHEL goes so if one has to actually earn money in a world with chip crisis, GPU shortages, GPU overpricing, pandemics and crypto than solutions like Proxmox serve the 90% wile VMWare caters for the 10%.
For migration from our old Intel Cluster to our new AMD clusters we use vSphere Replication, which significantly lowers the downtime of the VM compared to that with an offline migration. vRepl also supports multiple network interfaces, so if you're working with multi firewalled DMZs and subnets, it's easy to connect multiple environments to one vRepl appliance.
With vRepl you can replicate the VM to the destination beforehand, stop the source machine, do a final sync of the data, hit recover VM in vRepl and presto, your VM is migrated in minutes (even with VMs that are 10+TB in size)
Also the source stays in place in case anything goes wrong, you just turn back on the old VM
Only issue we ran into is that you manually have to copy over the MAC address of the source VM on the intel platform over to the new "recovered VM" on the AMD side before you power on the VM (but you could easily script that through powercli if you have multiple VMs to do).
Oh did i mention...
vSphere Replication does NOT have a separate license as it is a feature of certain vSphere license editions. (only if you want to use a RPO lower than 5 minutes, you wil need additional licenses.)
vSphere Essentials Plus
vSphere Standard
vSphere Enterprise
vSphere Enterprise Plus
vSphere Desktop
Y pay N E $ 4 $oftware wen U kan duet 2et W/Proxmox or somethng?
If only it would go to another platform too
Demo please
we can't afford VMWare!!
Why would they contineu to use VMware lol sigh
Shame VMWare turned into a cancer...
What a racket in the server room.
iKnow = so fuking stupid = if they just used bigger fans A& combined things into taller chassis could B very quiet, & of course never buy any dive that spins faster than 5400RPM = they R just made 2 overheat & fail & make 2 much noise.