jazak Allahu kheiran. Very useful Explanation. But one Thing is not clear to me: if everyone translates his or her spirutual experience according to his own creed, by which he lived until the date of experience, how can we be sure, that our "muslim" experience is the ultimate truth? I mean, we had this presumptive idea of the truth, and automatically experienced it as the truth. Like a Christian, who has his "Christian experiance" (sorry for englisch-lacks)
Because of critical thought and intellect which allow us to determine our belief makes more sense and is worthy of being believed. That's the weakness of blind faith. The reason people are led astray because they don't bother to question their own faith and test it to make it stronger. Thus they stay Christians, Hindus, etc, through blind faith which misguides them despite that their aqeeda makes no sense. (no offense to Christian or Hindus intended)
+KaabeKavseyn Islamic aqida to begin with does not make sense. It's all about believing in an Invisible Imaginary Creator. It's all about the Unseen. This is how that get way with nonsense. Why is Islamic societies are poor and regressive? Because their intellect and mental development has not grown since ibn Sina and Ghazali.
+KaabeKavseyn Just realized I never answered this. We know be cause the Muslim experience is ongoing and continuous , whereas the non-Muslim experience is a momentary fleeting one. Only someone who knows the truth and is upon the truth will be able to position themselves directly in the presence of their creator.
Bahr al-Asrar 😂😂 What? And what is the truth akhie? How is the Muslim experience more ongoing and continuous than that of someone who is not a Muslim? Please break that down for me.
Asalaamu alaikum Ibn Jurayj, Where can i get the full lecture from? What is the title or date and location? Would really appreciate some help seeking the larger talk the sheikh was giving. JazakhAllahu khayr
Your mind seems so closed. The one realiity involves accepting all realities are true, and not limiting ones self to its own experience and education. You talk a lot about this too and then restricts youself to your own experience and education. Thus making yourself seperate from the one ultimate reality. As far as I understand, and I am still learning, Allah is just one of the chosen names of the one ultimate reality, one teaching does not make another invalid or wrong. I'm atheist turn agnostic, leaning agnostic atheism and yet I am able to fully accept that there is one reality, I cannot say you are wrong, infact you are right based on your own experience and education and learning. Therefore surely the same is true for all those who do not share your truth, but their own. I feel like the ignorance and intolerance of others human experience, and the need to promote is a proof that somebody is running on opinion and not what is known. Working from a little too far outside All that is seen, all that is heard, all that is experienced is the one reality. ALL, not just myself and my neighbours. This video seems to be so far from what Ibn Arabi was trying to express. Afterall your condemning people just for being born away from 'your opinion'. Hope you find your peace!!
Ibn Arabi was a orthodox sunni muslim. He certainly would not have accepted the "all religions are equal, lead equally to God" creed. I understand it's tempting to be all inclusive by saying "it"s all true" but that was not Ibn Arabi's position. Furthermore, by saying they're all true, you're really saying none of them are true. Finally, you don't like his conclusions but the truth of the matter is that you have no knowledge of the vast body of knowledge that brought him to his conclusions. His conclusions are sound, strong and coherent, you just don't like them because, keeping with the ethos of the times we are living in, the pre-modern idea that some people have the right beliefs and some don't just bothers you. Brother Keller has God's peace. You should pray to have it given it to you.
Muslim Gnostic Sufi Saint Ibn Arabi Answers The Muslim Sunni Asha'ari Scholar Sheikh Nuh Ha Mim Keller : " There was a time I would Condemn , deny and reject my friends , those who used to have different religions , beliefs , those friends who were not on my exact faith and believe differently , But now, my heart has grown capable of taking on all forms. It is a pasture for gazelles, a House of Idols An abbey for monks. A table for the Torah. Kaaba for the pilgrim. My religion is love. Whichever the route love’s caravan shall take, That shall be the path of my faith " Ibn Arabi This is the Authentic Sufi Gnostic Islam while what sheikh Nuh Teaches is no more than Sunni Asha'ari Aqeeda , a Maturidi Aqeeda , a Barelvi Aqeeda , which teaches about what Sufi saints "Were " in their ego , Not what Sufi saints " Became " .. may Allah guide Him as Allah guided Saint ibn Arabi .
Shaykh has summarized the whole issue very well, Allah bless him.
whoaa im so glad i found this.
jazak Allahu kheiran. Very useful Explanation. But one Thing is not clear to me: if everyone translates his or her spirutual experience according to his own creed, by which he lived until the date of experience, how can we be sure, that our "muslim" experience is the ultimate truth? I mean, we had this presumptive idea of the truth, and automatically experienced it as the truth. Like a Christian, who has his "Christian experiance" (sorry for englisch-lacks)
Because of critical thought and intellect which allow us to determine our belief makes more sense and is worthy of being believed.
That's the weakness of blind faith. The reason people are led astray because they don't bother to question their own faith and test it to make it stronger. Thus they stay Christians, Hindus, etc, through blind faith which misguides them despite that their aqeeda makes no sense.
(no offense to Christian or Hindus intended)
John Snow I think it comes from either the VA or Harvard Suhba, I can't quite remember. I've added the link in the description section.
+KaabeKavseyn
Islamic aqida to begin with does not make sense. It's all about believing in an Invisible Imaginary Creator. It's all about the Unseen. This is how that get way with nonsense. Why is Islamic societies are poor and regressive? Because their intellect and mental development has not grown since ibn Sina and Ghazali.
+KaabeKavseyn Just realized I never answered this. We know be cause the Muslim experience is ongoing and continuous , whereas the non-Muslim experience is a momentary fleeting one. Only someone who knows the truth and is upon the truth will be able to position themselves directly in the presence of their creator.
Bahr al-Asrar 😂😂 What? And what is the truth akhie? How is the Muslim experience more ongoing and continuous than that of someone who is not a Muslim? Please break that down for me.
I dont think the catholic sisters who live in a coven experience the divine "temporarily" tho.
Asalaamu alaikum Ibn Jurayj,
Where can i get the full lecture from? What is the title or date and location? Would really appreciate some help seeking the larger talk the sheikh was giving.
JazakhAllahu khayr
tareqa shadhili on line
Your mind seems so closed. The one realiity involves accepting all realities are true, and not limiting ones self to its own experience and education. You talk a lot about this too and then restricts youself to your own experience and education. Thus making yourself seperate from the one ultimate reality. As far as I understand, and I am still learning, Allah is just one of the chosen names of the one ultimate reality, one teaching does not make another invalid or wrong. I'm atheist turn agnostic, leaning agnostic atheism and yet I am able to fully accept that there is one reality, I cannot say you are wrong, infact you are right based on your own experience and education and learning. Therefore surely the same is true for all those who do not share your truth, but their own.
I feel like the ignorance and intolerance of others human experience, and the need to promote is a proof that somebody is running on opinion and not what is known. Working from a little too far outside
All that is seen, all that is heard, all that is experienced is the one reality. ALL, not just myself and my neighbours. This video seems to be so far from what Ibn Arabi was trying to express. Afterall your condemning people just for being born away from 'your opinion'. Hope you find your peace!!
Miss Someone Is this comment directed at me?
Ibn Arabi was a orthodox sunni muslim. He certainly would not have accepted the "all religions are equal, lead equally to God" creed. I understand it's tempting to be all inclusive by saying "it"s all true" but that was not Ibn Arabi's position. Furthermore, by saying they're all true, you're really saying none of them are true. Finally, you don't like his conclusions but the truth of the matter is that you have no knowledge of the vast body of knowledge that brought him to his conclusions. His conclusions are sound, strong and coherent, you just don't like them because, keeping with the ethos of the times we are living in, the pre-modern idea that some people have the right beliefs and some don't just bothers you. Brother Keller has God's peace. You should pray to have it given it to you.
@SUFI-4- LIFE! Ibn Arabi was a Sunni Muslim who believed that Islam is superior to other religions. Full stop.
@@karimb972 orthodox?
Muslim Gnostic Sufi Saint Ibn Arabi Answers The Muslim Sunni Asha'ari Scholar Sheikh Nuh Ha Mim Keller :
" There was a time I would Condemn , deny and reject my friends ,
those who used to have different religions , beliefs ,
those friends who were not on my exact faith and believe differently ,
But now, my heart has grown capable
of taking on all forms.
It is a pasture for gazelles,
a House of Idols
An abbey for monks.
A table for the Torah.
Kaaba for the pilgrim.
My religion is love.
Whichever the route love’s caravan shall take,
That shall be the path of my faith "
Ibn Arabi
This is the Authentic Sufi Gnostic Islam while what sheikh Nuh Teaches is no more than Sunni Asha'ari Aqeeda , a Maturidi Aqeeda , a Barelvi Aqeeda , which teaches about what Sufi saints "Were " in their ego , Not what Sufi saints " Became " .. may Allah guide Him as Allah guided Saint ibn Arabi .
This guy needs some vitamin tablets