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  • A group of observational stand-up comedians all sound like Seinfeld backstage at a show. [Season 13, 1988]
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  • @drivewaystar6485
    @drivewaystar6485 3 роки тому +103

    I took a drink everytime they said "Hey!" and I died

    • @chrishain4295
      @chrishain4295 2 роки тому +3

      Hey! If you died, how did you write this comment? I just want to know.

    • @ihavefallenandicantreachmy2113
      @ihavefallenandicantreachmy2113 2 роки тому

      @@chrishain4295 Hey. Driveway STAR, Moonlights, as "Scarecrow", in a Play and is made, out of Straw.

  • @ENigma-um8zw
    @ENigma-um8zw 2 роки тому +71

    Bob Odenkirk’s autobiography brought me to this sketch that Robert Smigel wrote

    • @meganstacey1140
      @meganstacey1140 Рік тому +3

      Me too!!!

    • @realdealradio
      @realdealradio Рік тому +1

      Bob Odenkirk takes me LOTs of places. Never mass, however. Or a cub scout meeting. But I've conveniently blocked out so much.

    • @ENigma-um8zw
      @ENigma-um8zw Рік тому +2

      @@realdealradio so quick, yea Bob brought me to the physical location of this digital video, via the autobiography I was listening to on audio book mentioning a sketch from decades past that he mentioned and Smigel wrote. He can take anyone anywhere as long as they put their mind to it! Take it from me, I love you!

    • @dr_redbanRL
      @dr_redbanRL Рік тому

      Haha same

    • @seanladden6304
      @seanladden6304 Рік тому

      Same here

  • @seanfoudy8829
    @seanfoudy8829 3 роки тому +57

    Outstanding! Writer Robert Smigel’s big breakthrough on SNL

  • @NineteenEightyFive
    @NineteenEightyFive Рік тому +16

    Why do they call it Ovaltine? The mug is round. The jar is round. They should call it Roundtine.

  • @fernandobatista3191
    @fernandobatista3191 4 місяці тому +4

    Hey, I laughed every second of this sketch 😂😂

  • @TS-qq7vr
    @TS-qq7vr 4 роки тому +49

    2:27 The birth of meme.

    • @FranklyFox_420
      @FranklyFox_420 4 роки тому +4

      Imagine if instead of meme we had crahilk

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 2 місяці тому

      @@FranklyFox_420 That would be so fetch.

  • @mika4269
    @mika4269 3 роки тому +19

    This is one of my favorite sketches

  • @rhydean693
    @rhydean693 Рік тому +2

    Hey, why do we drive on a parkway and park in a driveway, heeey!

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 2 місяці тому +1

      Dust that one off because it's still just as good.

  • @powerhouse9868
    @powerhouse9868 2 роки тому +10

    Tom Hanks was imitating Jerry Seinfeld not even knowing his name. He saw him earlier that year not remembering his name.

  • @freds_onlinevideos9507
    @freds_onlinevideos9507 3 місяці тому +1

    HEY! WHAT DO YOU MEAN??❤❤❤ booth of them jump haha.

  • @ericfureal3257
    @ericfureal3257 7 місяців тому +4

    When they're wrestling or the "meme" and "crilk", that's where Seinfeld got the idea for Kramer and Frank arguing over The Bro and Manssiere

  • @imogens7281
    @imogens7281 2 роки тому +29

    As a British person, this makes me understand why Americans love SNL. Side note, I miss Jon Lovitz, where is he? Is he OK? Iiii gotta know!

    • @goo_ish
      @goo_ish 2 роки тому

      hes doing ok, just doing things any washed up comedian would do

    • @ihavefallenandicantreachmy2113
      @ihavefallenandicantreachmy2113 2 роки тому +4

      He lives, on a Farm, amoongst Bales of HAY!

    • @tarikkhan5992
      @tarikkhan5992 Рік тому +1

      ​@@goo_ish a podcast?

    • @jb888888888
      @jb888888888 10 місяців тому +3

      They announced on SNL's 40th anniversary special that Jon Lovitz died. Everyone was shocked -- especially Jon Lovitz who was sitting in the audience at the time. ua-cam.com/video/N-lTFZHOT7M/v-deo.html

  • @djbloodshot
    @djbloodshot 3 роки тому +10

    Its hilarious they mentioned the 3 hour tour thing about gilligan island then 6 or 7 years later they do the stand up and win sketch with jerry and use the same joke

  • @trvrshoe4518
    @trvrshoe4518 4 роки тому +59

    wow. the first meme

  • @TDW2364
    @TDW2364 3 роки тому +20

    They’re doing a general comedian from the late 80’s/early 90’s impression. Jerry is just the easy option to call out. Everyone was basically like this back then. Check out very early Norm MacDonald.

    • @elisecode2212
      @elisecode2212 Рік тому

      The voice sounds like jerry though

    • @coleeckerman1390
      @coleeckerman1390 5 місяців тому +3

      Bob Odenkirk said they were imitating hack comedians who tried to imitate popular stand ups’s style, like Seinfeld’s, but just not funny.

  • @RudieObias
    @RudieObias 6 місяців тому +1

    "I mean, hey! Why do they call it a sketch? You're not drawing anything. You're acting a silly and absurd premise. They should all it acting!" 😅

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 2 місяці тому

      They should call it an act!

  • @joseph_b319
    @joseph_b319 5 місяців тому +1

    Too funny!!! I saw Jon Lovitz do stand up, i could not stop laughing. There was a heckler in the crowed and Jon destroyed her.

  • @njoYYY
    @njoYYY 5 років тому +21

    Hey Steve, snap out of it.

  • @gigtrek3926
    @gigtrek3926 Рік тому +7

    In the late 70s I remember Gallagher making that building joke. "They oughta be called builts"

    • @BarryRerack147
      @BarryRerack147 3 місяці тому

      Thankfully I can't remember any of Gallaghers act

  • @Trobtwillis
    @Trobtwillis 4 місяці тому

    ❤ this sketch. It's the forerunner to another great SNL sketch called "Stand Up and Win "

  • @typorter-pp6lh
    @typorter-pp6lh Рік тому +2

    Sounds like Will Ferrell’s imitation of Harry Carry. “Hey!”

  • @jdeighan
    @jdeighan Рік тому +8

    I'm here because Bob Odenkirk sent me. This did not dissappoint

  • @adamdavidhorsfall
    @adamdavidhorsfall 2 роки тому +27

    Who else came here because Bob Odenkirk told you to?

  • @blakemcnamara9105
    @blakemcnamara9105 4 роки тому +141

    They all sound like a combination of Jerry Seinfeld and Quagmire.

  • @MichaelB413
    @MichaelB413 2 роки тому +3

    They should call it..... Meme 🤣

  • @jaxsun72
    @jaxsun72 Рік тому +3

    That was a hell of an outfit Dennis was wearing or wait maybe it was wearing him. 🤣

  • @vardellsfolly5200
    @vardellsfolly5200 10 років тому +16

    ΟΗ!
    HEY!
    Yeah!That's a funny video!
    Yeah?
    Hey,oh yeah!

  • @patrickstiadle3857
    @patrickstiadle3857 9 місяців тому +1

    Gotta say, a rather unusual way to break up a fight 🙃

  • @JeffMeisenhelder
    @JeffMeisenhelder 2 роки тому +2

    Refried beans? Who do they think they are? Mitch Hedberg?
    RIP Mitch. :(

  • @RossMcCarthy1990
    @RossMcCarthy1990 5 років тому +83

    I love how they're all basically doing Jerry Seinfeld impressions. They should have put Jerry into this too.

    • @TRJ2241987
      @TRJ2241987 4 роки тому +13

      Jerry was not truly famous yet

    • @taotuhao5969
      @taotuhao5969 4 роки тому +3

      They eventually did : ua-cam.com/video/AsJYmf_G5d0/v-deo.html

    • @christianayahweh7632
      @christianayahweh7632 4 роки тому +2

      It's all Illuminati. They rule the world or haven't you noticed?

    • @davidharding2956
      @davidharding2956 4 роки тому +3

      @@TRJ2241987 Jerry says that, but he was on Carson starting in '81, '83 and '86

    • @TRJ2241987
      @TRJ2241987 4 роки тому +3

      @@davidharding2956 yeah but the mass population didn't know him by name like they would in the 90s

  • @applesauce0211
    @applesauce0211 4 роки тому +197

    Interesting that no one has pointed this out yet...but this skit was written by noneother than Conan O'Brien...Ol' paleskin and cherry top himself

    • @cjf2mz
      @cjf2mz 4 роки тому +17

      Ok Conan burner account, good sketch

    • @coleeckerman1390
      @coleeckerman1390 3 роки тому +1

      Where did you read that?

    • @applesauce0211
      @applesauce0211 3 роки тому +4

      Cole Eckerman there’s a johnny carson interview of a young conan o’brien and bob odenkirk talking about their writing gigs in SNL and how they started. :)

    • @TRJ2241987
      @TRJ2241987 3 роки тому +7

      @@applesauce0211 I don't think Conan actually came up with the idea for this sketch. The first time they ever did this sketch was in December 1985 with Tom Hanks, Jon Lovitz, and Damon Wayans. I don't think Conan worked for the show yet
      ua-cam.com/video/7ResXYpp4OY/v-deo.html

    • @maxheadrom3088
      @maxheadrom3088 3 роки тому +6

      Hey ... I thought it was written by, you know, Jerry Seinfeld!

  • @lostwojak2554
    @lostwojak2554 4 роки тому +17

    HEY! Why do the call it a video, if youre watching it? They should call it a watch! But hey, why is a watch called a watch if it shows you the time? They should call it a timer! But hey!...

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 2 місяці тому

      Hey, why do they call it UA-cam? I don't see any tube. They should call it YouScreen!

  • @mesicek7
    @mesicek7 2 роки тому +1

    Why am i getting Dear John flashbacks watching this?

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 2 місяці тому

      It debuted 8 months later.

  • @ingvarhallstrom2306
    @ingvarhallstrom2306 4 роки тому +96

    What I want to know is how much the Stand Up Comedy scene hated Jerry Seinfeld to spoof his entire stand up comedy routine years before the show even began?

    • @etothej
      @etothej 4 роки тому +53

      Being parodied on SNL before he was even famous was a huge compliment to him.

    • @Mrlzman
      @Mrlzman 4 роки тому +38

      I think it is a spoof on the many comedians trying to rip off his routine during the eighties. Jerry wasn't a household name yet, but he had been on the tonight several times, and Carson had given him the OK sign, which was one of the highest praises a comedian could get. Observational comedy wasn't really a big thing until Jerry Seinfeld made it huge. He set the tone of comedy during the era. Many talented comedians found their own voice in observational comedy, but all the lesser talents just copied him to death.

    • @KDaneWillard
      @KDaneWillard 3 роки тому +6

      Less than a year before the show started

    • @75aces97
      @75aces97 3 роки тому +14

      Jerry Seinfeld parodied his own act and brand of comedy on his own show.
      Part of comedy is saying it's okay to laugh at how silly/hackneyed/lazy/repetitive the whole scene gets when comics jump on trends. These sketches added the extra wrinkle of comics swiping material from each other.

    • @ubwcolt
      @ubwcolt 3 роки тому +6

      @@Mrlzman yep, just listened to Robert Smigel on the WTF podcast and he says the same thing (59 min mark)

  • @teeveeparty
    @teeveeparty 2 роки тому +2

    Here from Fly on the Wall!

  • @didodidrive9412
    @didodidrive9412 9 місяців тому

    “It was a 3hr tour. A 3hr tour.” That shit has been in my mind since this aired! 😆😆😆😆😆

  • @cjf2mz
    @cjf2mz 4 роки тому +45

    Tom Hanks' SNL appearances are super underrated

    • @steveconn
      @steveconn 3 роки тому +3

      He hasn't had enough success.

    • @theBaron0530
      @theBaron0530 2 роки тому +3

      "Check, check-sibilence, sibilence!"

  • @paddawan_
    @paddawan_ 5 місяців тому +1

    2:29 The invention of "meme"? :D

  • @Joshua_Froschauer
    @Joshua_Froschauer 2 роки тому +2

    ..."do deaf people wear earmuffs?" Mwahahaha!!!

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 2 місяці тому +1

      If their ears are cold, yes.

  • @meganstacey1140
    @meganstacey1140 Рік тому +2

    The origin of meme

  • @wades2132
    @wades2132 3 роки тому +1

    So this is where Cripps got his “Ever wonder why they call it a building?” joke.

  • @howieo3857
    @howieo3857 2 роки тому +1

    I think this is where the word "Meme" was first spoken

  • @abhibvp5
    @abhibvp5 5 років тому +143

    came here after comedians in cars getting coffee..

    • @mikeofalltrades6293
      @mikeofalltrades6293 4 роки тому

      Yo Abs Which episode?

    • @mikeofalltrades6293
      @mikeofalltrades6293 4 роки тому +4

      Hey! with a name like Abs you better have a 10 pack and Hey! If my abs light comes on in my car how do i reach you? JS

    • @Markoski1986
      @Markoski1986 4 роки тому

      That’s why I’m here too 😀

    • @KickItToTheFunk
      @KickItToTheFunk 4 роки тому

      God I love that series. Best in the world aside from Marc Maron's WTF podcast

    • @robfiedler2139
      @robfiedler2139 3 роки тому +1

      @@mikeofalltrades6293 The second Brian Regan episode.

  • @ColKurtzknew
    @ColKurtzknew Місяць тому

    If you're ever served refried beans be sure to say "thank you thank you".

  • @gabrielavarino7032
    @gabrielavarino7032 5 років тому +3

    i wanna know!

  • @hlysnan6418
    @hlysnan6418 Рік тому +1

    They wore me down

  • @realitychallenged4488
    @realitychallenged4488 Рік тому +1

    The Howell's were on their way to the airport but Mrs. Howell had a coupon for a free three hour boat tour, that's why they had all those clothes @ 2:58

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 2 місяці тому

      Hey! You're ruining the joke!

  • @cereal6430
    @cereal6430 2 роки тому +1

    I'm sitting here thinking to myself, SNL? I mean, is it still 1988? I'm saying, they should call it, Today Right Now. I'm just saying

  • @ahmetcangokceer
    @ahmetcangokceer 5 років тому +5

    that refried bean bit is Mitch Hedberg's I believe

    • @TRJ2241987
      @TRJ2241987 4 роки тому +7

      This is 1988.... sketch is over a year before Mitch Hedberg even did his first show

    • @ahmetcangokceer
      @ahmetcangokceer 4 роки тому

      oh : )

  • @s.kreusler5081
    @s.kreusler5081 2 місяці тому

    0:48 Mitch Hedberg has entered the chat

  • @rustyshackleford9506
    @rustyshackleford9506 4 роки тому +5

    What do say to god when he sneezes just a side note

  • @summerrocha-araujo
    @summerrocha-araujo Рік тому +2

    Jon Lovitz, Jerry Seinfeld, same thing

  • @thermalchill
    @thermalchill 4 роки тому +25

    For a minute there I thought they were doing Jerry Seinfeld. 😁

    • @UxCANxDOxIT
      @UxCANxDOxIT 4 роки тому +25

      Um, they are...

    • @axelkyster2642
      @axelkyster2642 2 роки тому +1

      @@UxCANxDOxIT Wait...WHAT???

    • @vinyllpreviews9462
      @vinyllpreviews9462 Рік тому +1

      Just heard a Tom Hanks interview and he said they called Jerry Seinfeld to see if it was ok to make fun of his "what's the deal with" bit. Before they actually did this, so they're definitely impersonating him.

  • @mikeofalltrades6293
    @mikeofalltrades6293 4 роки тому +7

    Jerry seinfeld has entered the chat. #youngjamiejre

  • @NecroMorrius
    @NecroMorrius 2 роки тому +5

    This is literally what Seinfeld sounds like to me, except this is funny

  • @dudelove9
    @dudelove9 4 роки тому +3

    First time hearing meme in the 80s

  • @kevinkelly2736
    @kevinkelly2736 4 роки тому +2

    Meme haha

  • @getbrutal4388
    @getbrutal4388 2 роки тому +3

    Snl was actually good

  • @chronicillz1879
    @chronicillz1879 3 роки тому +8

    omg im crying laughing dennis miller is hilarious

  • @dead_imagination549
    @dead_imagination549 4 роки тому +16

    It's hard not to see this as the proto version of Will Ferrell's Harry Caray impression.

  • @vardellsfolly5200
    @vardellsfolly5200 8 років тому +1

    ..a builded!

  • @joedecristoforo5434
    @joedecristoforo5434 2 місяці тому

    Dana Carvey as Kenny Banya

  • @DD-dn5gb
    @DD-dn5gb 8 місяців тому

    ❤❤❤

  • @raymjanjua1725
    @raymjanjua1725 4 роки тому +8

    They should call it
    M E M E

    • @Mrlzman
      @Mrlzman 4 роки тому +1

      Why do they call it a Meme? It has nothing to do with me, this is your deal. They should call it a Youyou!

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 2 місяці тому

      @@Mrlzman Why not both? Call it a wewe!

  • @kaguth
    @kaguth 3 місяці тому

    Seinfeld was taking notes on this one

  • @fragwagon
    @fragwagon 3 роки тому +1

    I mean HEY

  • @hardeho
    @hardeho 2 роки тому +2

    Did Lovitz actually invent the word "meme"?

    • @imogens7281
      @imogens7281 2 роки тому

      As much as I'd like to credit Jon Lovitz with everything, sadly no, it was Richard Dawkins.

    • @user-oi6gr8xw9h
      @user-oi6gr8xw9h 5 місяців тому

      No
      Also, he said meam not meme

  • @powerpopaholic876
    @powerpopaholic876 3 роки тому

    Hey! Hey! I mean, HEY!

  • @braddockakalatis2
    @braddockakalatis2 2 роки тому

    2:41 11 years before CastAway.

  • @jackrockliffe1324
    @jackrockliffe1324 2 роки тому

    Half and half bit is like the manzier bit from seinfeld but this came first

  • @Listersmate2
    @Listersmate2 6 місяців тому

    These are just over exaggerated caricatures of Jerry Sienfield!!!! :-D

  • @kshelby3102
    @kshelby3102 3 роки тому +2

    The “vintage” episodes are soooooooooooo bad that they’re hilarious.

  • @bigtay522
    @bigtay522 9 місяців тому

    Imagine if this skit was about Pryor, Carlin and Hicks.

  • @jmnyc212
    @jmnyc212 4 роки тому +1

    Legion of Seinfelds

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 2 місяці тому

      League of Extraordinary Seinfelds

  • @tubeboob
    @tubeboob 2 роки тому +13

    Explains why I never liked Seinfeld and marvel at him being the richest comedian. I mean, HEY, aren't there a helluva lot of funnier people out there? I wanna know!

    • @Cerus-kd2mv
      @Cerus-kd2mv 2 роки тому

      There are but jerrys audience is usually old and jewish

    • @tubeboob
      @tubeboob 2 роки тому +3

      @@Cerus-kd2mv I don't know, his appeal was very wide and deep, I think what is troubling is just how very safe the humor is, it doesn't challenge our notions of anything, simply points out the absurdity of certain mundane Life experiences and perhaps that was good in the 90s on a sitcom but his humor becomes tedious after a few minutes. I did think he was funny at a quarter of a century ago for a little bit but since then, not so much. I guess that's why I never watched the show about nothing.

  • @stevenmandl4920
    @stevenmandl4920 Рік тому

    if jerry seinfeld saw this sketch, he would be crying.

  • @brynkasson8100
    @brynkasson8100 4 роки тому +4

    Meme?!

  • @robotorch
    @robotorch 14 днів тому

    Hey, what is the deal with airplane peanuts?

  • @jemert96
    @jemert96 Місяць тому

    I MEAN, HEY?!

  • @346436
    @346436 Рік тому

    Oh I get it.................they're all imitating Kenny Bania

  • @slugerama
    @slugerama 2 роки тому +1

    Hey, is this a send up of how Jerry Seinfeld actually performs stand up? Or is this a send up of how In Living Colour sees Jerry Seinfeld's stand up act? I want to know. I mean what is the deal?

  • @JoannaSternbergYoutube
    @JoannaSternbergYoutube 4 роки тому +1

    MEME?!

  • @Psalm1441-yd4jp
    @Psalm1441-yd4jp 3 роки тому +1

    Is this after tom hanks go into little kids?

  • @OhanaFilms
    @OhanaFilms 2 роки тому +1

    Jerry Seinfeld feels ashamed when he watches this.

  • @Lwize
    @Lwize 15 днів тому

    A year later, Seinfeld was launched by NBC.
    Jerry got the last laugh...

  • @andrewchristianson2086
    @andrewchristianson2086 4 роки тому +1

    A Seinfeld reference? Hmmm.. ;p

  • @sz5876
    @sz5876 Рік тому +4

    Smigel 👍 Lovitz and Miller doing Hacky Seinfeld is great. I wonder if he saw this and decided it was time to get out of stand up and get on a shitcom. Seinfeld without Larry Charles and Larry David (and them bringing in Jeff Schafer) would have been more cringeweorthy than anything on Big Laugh Track Theory or Two and half laughs.

  • @justinakers3196
    @justinakers3196 3 роки тому +10

    Tom Hanks is literally just talking louder LOLOL

  • @marksoquetjr4693
    @marksoquetjr4693 3 роки тому

    When comedians steal other comedians' stand-up routines .

  • @curiouscatlabinc5035
    @curiouscatlabinc5035 2 роки тому

    You gotta love how all the comments can't get around the fact that this has to be based on Jerry Seinfeld like he's some kind of universal constant even if he wasn't even a thing when this was ... televised. What if it was Seinfeld who made a career out of this skit? Hey ... I wanna know ???

    • @infinitedm5396
      @infinitedm5396 2 роки тому +1

      Seinfeld had a stand up special in HBO a year before this. And was known before that appearing on Carson in 81... So he was definitely a thing

  • @steveconn
    @steveconn 4 роки тому

    This must have been cut-for-time. Do not remember it all from that show.

    • @axelkyster2642
      @axelkyster2642 2 роки тому

      Nope. It was definitely there. We "did" those routines for the rest of the 80s...

  • @tarikkhan5992
    @tarikkhan5992 Рік тому

    Is it me or is this Jerry Seinfeld parody before Jerry Seinfeld parody was a thing?

  • @Mattytars
    @Mattytars 4 місяці тому

    Doing Jerry Seinfeld’s bits before Seinfeld became famous.
    Seriously.

  • @thenifell
    @thenifell Рік тому

    Meme!

  • @JeffFranchetti
    @JeffFranchetti 2 роки тому

    Hey Steve, let it go.

  • @mackinblack
    @mackinblack 3 роки тому +1

    Meme...

  • @johnvastola7748
    @johnvastola7748 4 роки тому +16

    There were some comedians who were noticably influenced by Jerry because he was successful. They are mostly unmemorable because they lacked their own voice and style. This sketch seems to make fun of the copycats while recognizing Jerry as a top stand up.

    • @monkeDluffe
      @monkeDluffe 3 роки тому +1

      true and real

    • @Ray_D_Tutto
      @Ray_D_Tutto 2 роки тому +1

      Jerry came out after a lot of these guys. He didn't create the formula he just popularized it.

  • @Kimberly-to8rt
    @Kimberly-to8rt 2 роки тому

    Jerry Seinfeld all the way tf🤣

  • @joe3804
    @joe3804 4 роки тому +5

    Dana Carver really made it his own in this

    • @jetnut89
      @jetnut89 4 роки тому +1

      If only they had him coming in doing a Dennis Miller impression

    • @applesauce0211
      @applesauce0211 4 роки тому +2

      Dennis Carvy? Dana Miller? I confused....people don't really remember Dennis Miller without the beard...maybe that's why

    • @joe3804
      @joe3804 4 роки тому

      as0211 😂 gold reply

    • @freddybenelli9100
      @freddybenelli9100 4 роки тому

      He sounds like Regis Philbin

  • @Matman2099
    @Matman2099 3 роки тому

    They’re gonna keep touting this meteor stuff more and more