Schizotypal Personality Disorder (Deep Dive) - Chapter 1
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Dr Kirk Honda provides his deep dive on schizotypal personality disorder.
March 6, 2023
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I think you worry way to much about the pronunciation
i mean, it ~is~ a deep dive
Yeah but it's funny 😄
yeah, also it's completely irrelevant, it's not like you mistake it for another word... :I
16:35 if you want to skip his pronunciation-sperging lol
Omg should have read the comments earlier, almost lost my shit lol
THANKYOU!!!!!😎
If I remember correctly, Jack Kerouac, famed author of “On the Road”, was diagnosed with Schizotypal while in the army.
The abbreviation for schizotypal (STPD) it reads to the unconscious as 'stupid'. Anyone else? I don't care but, kind of funny.
OMG You're right!😳
For some reason, it makes me think "St. Paul Police Department". Lmao I guess "PD" is just so programmed because every city in this country has their own "[__]PD" and I don't know any cities that would be abbreviated "ST" unless it was a case like that
This is great. I can't wait for the follow up deep dive into neurotic fixation over the pronunciation of Latin words. ... Just kidding. Love the podcast.
😂😂😂 hilarious
my sister is full schizophrenic, i was diagnosed only schizotypal, they thought i had autisim, i really dont know, i believe the persona/behaviour field needs MUCH more refinement and more nuanced labels
I've lately started to believe this might be the condition I've been struggling with since my teens and I'm only just now starting to understand.
The part about self-sabotaging at a job was... i don't even know what to say. That's exactly it. I've been kinda job hopping the past couple of years because i keep having an issue where like... i get convinced that my performance is slipping, or maybe even the work itself is actually getting harder and I'm failing to keep up. The very next time my boss is at all critical of me, I'll be convinced that I'm being targeted for my performance. That will scare me, and unfortunately i tend to respond to that with anger as a defense mechanism. I get really bad anger with authority figures in general because i feel like they get to do whatever they want and there's never any way to seek justice. They just get to enjoy their unabated power fantasy.
Anyways... i get scared, i get mad, and while the original "problem" almost always existed solely in my head... My freaking out about this imagined persecution turns me into an absolute nutter and THAT causes an actual problem. Once, i got fired over it. Another, i got so mad i walked out. I didn't have anything to fall back on either time. It was stupid but i couldn't get control of myself. And I still don't know how to chill out when it comes to authority figures. I just get so fucking mad when somebody gets one over on me just because they know damn well that there's nothing i can do. To the point that i only need to be afraid that they may do that before i just go ahead and jump ship preemptively. This is, obviously, extremely disruptive to my life. I need to talk to somebody but, big shock! I can't afford it! 🙃
The anhedonia is the other one killing me. These jobs are just manual labor for wage pay. I barely finished high school, and never went to any sort of education beyond that. I need to get out of wage labor if i want to have more "say" as a worker. Having a skill would make me a more valuable asset, less easily replaced, and so they might not want to be so rough with me as they are with general laborers. But i don't know what i should study if everything looks like drudgery to me? Everything i do feels like being forced to clean your room as a kid. I just kinda hate all of it. I don't even like video games anymore. I just don't have any interest. How do you commit to a degree like that? To a certain form of work for the rest of your life that you already know you're going to hate? But I'm going to hate anything. I need to just do it. But I'm just frozen. I can't pick something and just go. I'm scared. It's a lot of money to spend on misery and I'm so convinced I'll end up regretting my choices somehow.
Haha,thanks for the pronunciation part, it makes me feel waaayyy better as a German not always knowing how to pronounce words in English ;)
I'm American and I still get words wrong lol.😂
I was diagnosed with this, but I feel like I've learned to have control over it, still get pretty odd thoughts tho
My mother her mother and my son have this. It's hereditary
I agree, it’s hereditary ❤
Serial killers are a psyop
start at: never
Ignoring the Greek origin of the roots: “Schizophrenie” is a German word that is pronounced like “shee-tso-FRAY-nee”. The letter “z” by itself is pronounced “tset”. So the first syllable is indeed “skit” in English.
I can't listen to the whole episode because I don't have job so I can't pay patreon. Which seems common with this disorder. Anyway I had lot aha moments and felt relieved that someone gets me. Thank you!
I was disapointed pronouncation part ended so soon. :)
I took a dna test and apparently I most likely don't have autism or adhd but my likelihood of getting schizophrenia is high
As someone with this disorder, I have gone through all the different ways of saying it. But, truly… Doesn't matter in the least how it’s pronounced, just as long as you can spell it. WTH? @@lauralagzdina
@yeahyeah88 "I just took a DNA test, turns out I'm 100% that b*tch" 😂
I have schizotypal. Its not that you think that aaaaaaall and EVERYBODY is talking bad about you and on your behind, its more about being insecure due how many bad experiences. I mean, a person with schizotypal isnt great socially, people notice it, the person with schizotypal knows it. And its not and irrational thought. Because how bad socially we are people tend to throw bad comments to us, and not matter what we do we cant just functional socially as others seem to naturally do it, thats why we are always on a deffensice mode. We are waiting to make a poor social performance in front of others to others notice how socially akward we feel. So, its not an irrational thought of "oh, they are talking bad about me for no reason at all". The paranoia is more about "damn, I hope people dont notice how akward I feel socially"
Thanks for telling about your experience, it's very helpful to further understanding
This. I have the "eccentric appearance and behavior" part real bad. Everyone thinks I'm a trans woman. I'm not. I just like women's clothes. I unfortunately don't know how to NOT do this though, and it sucks because I feel like everyone judges me for it. And I know a lot of people would be plenty accepting if I really were trans or something, but idk. I'm not and I don't like to think that, say, my coworkers for example, are just walking around with an incorrect idea of who I am the whole time they're around me.
I've gone on this whole long-winded ramble about some dumb aspect of my appearance and the ultimately harmless assumptions people might not even be making and I just feel so stupid. But at the same time, I've had people scream homophobic slurs at me from cars. I get laughed at in the men's bathroom. I've had bottles thrown at me from cars. People can be so vile and I just never feel safe. Friends/family swear things aren't so bad nowadays, but the way the public treats me just on appearance makes me greatly doubt that trans people have it so much easier now
I know none of this bs about other people judging me is worth the mental energy but I just can't stand everyone's eyes on me. It drives me crazy. I wish I were invisible and inaudible. I sometimes think that would be the only way for me to live without anxiety. I don't really mind people, generally. I just don't like that they can see me. I don't want to be present in their thoughts at all. Any attention can become negative attention and I just "feel" that spotlight on me emotionally
@@parker2121 i would for sure describe my appearance as eccentric at times too but not drawing that much attention mostly. For example at one point I would wear long johns with shorts on top, reasoning that they r right fitting pants, similar to leggings. Also I do wear clothes well after they start to get holes. My style has been described as homeless princess, which I can see y u would say that and I also have been homeless before
@heedmydemands I've been homeless before too. I used to do shorts over thermal leggings in elementary and middle school, too, until I got too embarrassed. It's almost funny... One of our symptoms is to look for patterns/connections where there are none, but the shorts and thermals thing is so specific... I feel so in-touch with our little community. I only figured this out recently. The revelation has changed my life. I've felt such peace after learning that this wasn't my fault. That I didn't fail anybody by ending up like this.
@@parker2121 do u connect with other people with schizotypal? And if u do is it on here? Or where? I'm so confused by all this mental health stuff like personality disorders
I think I developed Schizotypal Personality Disorder from listening to those pronunciations.
Anybody else just waiting for him to explain what it is lol
Takes way too long
It's a personality disorder and it's on schizophrenia spectrum. The main symptoms are delusional thinking (like paranoia, paranormal beliefs).
If you want to be hyper-correct as to the Greek root schizein (to split), then it would be something like [schizo-tea-pal] with the stress on the 'o' rather than the 'i' or the 'tea', and the 'ch' should be pronounced like the 'ch' in the Scots word loch. Of course you are totally correct about the German pronunciation and it makes sense to pronounce it as though it were a purely German word.
I’ve never heard anyone talk about it at all in the UK.
I think people think negative things about me or look at me funny because I believe it’s human nature in society in work environments, in friendship groups most people naturally gossip about others behind their back so if they’re gossiping about them they’re also gossiping about me or most people tell lies or put on a facade or mask just to be included so I believe that’s how people are.
I don’t have any friends and I don’t trust anyone at all ever, I also know that I dress oddly but I believe it’s just that I’m quirky or eccentric or have a sense of mixed matched style and it’s a part of my personality. I do often believe I look homeless and people think idk or they think I’m on something when I’m not, I always think I’m being followed in shops or watched because I’ve experienced security stopping me to check my bags or ask me if they can help me, I think they think I’m stealing when I’m just minding my business shopping.
I’m also aware that my behaviour or way of talking can come across as odd and people do look at me funny. However I do enjoy my own company especially in nature but that’s when a lot of my magical thinking can happen when I go into deep imagination, thinking I can talk to trees and go into a natural trip communicating with bugs and almost astral travelling to multidimensional universes and being a mythical creature such as a mermaid octopus alien AI that’s travelling through crystal caves connected within the ocean and outer space, I believe that’s real. Although when I’m driving around I do believe things like the 5G towers are connected to something else such as AI or aliens and that’s when I can go into being paranoid believing someone is following me or I’m seeing shadow people when I’m washing the dishes or I can see cats or people are watching me in my house and listening, I sometimes stick my finger up to vents or mirrors just in case they are because. I want them to know I know, I actually believe this to be true.
It’s difficult to get help in the UK the gp doesn’t give a fuck about mental health here, they’re all zombie robots reading off a script. I’m still waiting for assessment.
Thanks you. I’ll listen to more.
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I truly appreciate how much effort you put into these episodes! I feel confident that you’ve done the due diligence and research about the topics you present to us. I like that you do the research and download it to us in the professional and layman’s terms. Lol
I DONT CARE HOW YOU PRONOUNCE IT SORRY BUT WHY WOULD I CARE
A year ago I was diagnosed and all information I got about the disorder was the superficial list of the 9 symptoms in the DSM-5.
“Ideas of reference”, “odd behaviors and thinking patterns”? What does that even mean and in which context should I place that?…
Because of your video and the clear examples I now understand it much better. Thank you!
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SCHIZ-A-TYPAL it's schiz-O-typal. Why would you give an 'o' an 'A' sound?! Ughh
How do you think one with stpd, would fare as an analyst? What kinds of professions seem to represent good fits for us?
If 1 in 30 has it.. then its not a disorder?
my father has this, been waiting for a video on it
Idiotic waste of time.
Dr. Honda, my family does not know how to accept this disorder. Waiting for your information. Stress really affects this illness.
I'm sorry but why do we think that talking to trees is not real? xD It is not odd. xD I think it is odd we dont do that more. xD That gets me paranoid I might actually have it since it is in my genes xD
Talking to any non-sentient object (other than Alexa/Siri) is by definition aberrant and illogical. It may make you feel better and relieve stress, but that doesn't change the fact that it really has no purpose if the object cannot understand speech or reply. At least your dog can understand the emotion in your tone of voice and can understand basic words/commands. Plants communicate with other plants using pheromones, they don't have ears and there is no evolutionary benefit to them, or mechanism for feeling the vibration of your soul (or whatever woo concept that people come up with) as you talk to them.
Of course there's nothing wrong with it if it makes you feel better, but the tree doesn't care either way, as long as you don't start to cut it down while soothingly telling it to just let it happen.
@@Auriflamme haven't listened to the episode yet but I think there should be some place for spiritual and religious beliefs in this discussion. It can't be that every religious person has schizotypal. There are many faiths around the world where a practice of connecting or talking to nature is quite common
@@sugaredyoongi I don't think Kirk is saying that religious beliefs equal hallucinations, just that schizotypal people are more prone to holding these beliefs. But again, they're perfectly valid beliefs, not delusions.
@@sugaredyoongi To clarify, I am not anti-religion, and I don't believe Dr Honda is either. I find them infinitely beautiful and puzzling. I love religious art and architecture of all kinds and I absolutely believe in religious freedom and free expression as the bedrock of a pluralistic society. But I still would point out that some religious beliefs are contradictory, demonstrably false, or in some cases lead to hate and conflict.
Talking to inanimate objects is harmless, therefore I have nothing against it, but you should probably be worried if the object talks back. There are elements in religions which very much look like symptoms of mental illness or hallucination.
I believe there was a study that talking positive to plants made them grow better and more beautiful than when they talk bad to it
Does the pronunciation really have to be a debate?
I have the condition and I pronounce as similarly to "shizotypical" (though there is no such actual word as that) "typical" short " i" not long "i" it kills me because the people that don't have it tend to make a bigger deal of it than the the people who do. People need to go back and study the English language a little better and pay attention. This kind of debate really is pointless. People tend to act like a person with a condition like this has burned their house down down and now they got to clean it up. They don't know where to start . They really don't know where to start. Anyone can make a podcast and sound like they know what they are doing when they don't really.
I have been diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, but I think I am also schizotypal. I don't suffer from loneliness, I feel quite good alone, perhaps because I also have schizoid traits. In general I suffer from paranoid anxiety, I used to suffer from doubts, but over time I became convinced that people are truly evil, so I received traits from paranoid personality disorder. After another quarrel with my acquaintance, I have developed narcissism, since people have a tendency to test what they are allowed to do with you and casually humiliate. To compensate for my social awkwardness, I was inspired by histrionic personality disorder, and achieved quite good success in this, acquired new skills and coping mechanisms. In the past I seem to have suffered from borderline, but I found a way to compensate for this condition by removing all masochism and social attitudes, becoming impulsive type. This way I got pretty close to the psychopathic personality inventory
This sounded like a good video with lots of information until it got to the pronunciation part!
Why waste so much time on pronunciations, and why would someone supposedly of some sort of authority depend on Google or any other Internet UA-camrs for advice on how to pronounce something that should be quite obvious! All this BS makes me question the whole video on whether it’s worth taking my time to watch!
I have enjoyed previous podcasts by this Channel, and after listening to this I now question what you are putting out there. Half the video is wasted on pronunciation (for no real point?), and linking diagnosed folks implicitly with serial killers is dangerous. Relying on DSMVI definitions is also the sign of someone who doesn't understand personality disorders - suggesting this is a deep dive is misleading, this is more about you discovering pronunciation and reading out some diagnostic criteria.
I speak from personal experience with family members with this diagnosis and I also know psychologists have no idea about PDs until they specialise - I think you should be more mindful as to what is exploratory for you (this video, if I am being generous) and what is actual knowledge you have gained through training and experience....
this guy is meandering
Vowels in English are messed up. We often just substitute in the vowel 'schwa' to make our speech flow better. You should check out the merry-mary-marry merger
Was finally persuaded to become a patron! I hope to hear more of Dr Honda's insight on all forms of "Schizo" related/named disorders!
My question is can this be developed? Predicated on this ->I have been diagnosed with ADHD in my 20's (I am 42), up to 2018 although introverted I used to go out frequently, much more happy and when angry it showed. Lost all I had in 2018, heck my wife left me all due to my ex-employer (worked there for 16 years only to be replace due to employment equity changes). Leading up to this (since in my country firing someone is not that easy especially if you have not even a single warning and took them from paper to paperless)... anyway, ALL turned their back on me, it was a grind to get back on track... so now I am clinically diagnosed as Schizoid which is likely true since I feel nothing (well mostly), hate, love, happiness, fear, sadness to me is words, I remember the feeling but that is it, I don't engage with people socially in fact it frustrates me and makes me anxious. I am not paranoid though nor suspicious, I find solace in solitude or more proper would be I prefer it MUCH more... I do have a Master's Degree in Computing (not sure why the EU uses 'in' not 'of' since I am not based in the Europe. I guess I am more misanthropic. Anyhow, I do not know if there is an answer or if people who know would care to help me out on this? I suppose based on the comments I post from time to time the answer is no. But yeah if anything let this then be my 'story' and perhaps helpful
Don't go by the DSM. Burn that book. I have it and I am the opposite of what it says only because I defy it. I learned I can turn it off like a switch and I have that ability. It doesn't go away, you CAN learn how to deal with it.
Got diagnosed at the age of 18, the DSM version confused me as someone living in Europe, because I read it and couldn’t understand why the description differs so much from the ICD-10. I got much more insight and could “relate” more truly to the ICD-10 version.
I am really sorry, all Over the place smfh a dark. I just didn't have the patience to actually get Past the 15 minute of all the rambling about the word itself.
I am sure I have this, so lonely
Wow that's a lot of people
Ugh, thanks a lot
How is this different than atypical depression?
Very different
I am very happy to be Czech, because our pronounciation is quite the same as it is written. Because we also have a sound for „ch“. So great.
Now I'm schizoaffective (depressive) but I think I was schizotypal before it really broke out, but on good days I feel like that even today. If I have a paranoid even on a good day people can talk me down and I'll admit I was probably mistaken. On bad days that won't happen. So it really is a spectrum over a lifetime.
For me it was paranoia that other people were out to "get me" and that they were not even real people at all but some kind of doppelganger. So sure, I'd like to talk to another human but I couldn't because they were all these walking pantomimes of actual people. This made me fundamentally not care about what this creature was talking about.
I still battle with this but I've managed to clear a few people. That doesn't extend to people online and I know you who are reading this, is not real.
I believe the internet supports exactly your view on Q-anon? Sp