I enjoyed this. People need to understand that nonrepresentational art is not about what it depicts but rather what it evokes in the viewer based on what they bring to the viewing experience. It is also important to understand that nonrepresentational art does indeed have interesting motivations behind it.
I am glad I am lucky enough to love Cy Twomblys work. Anyone who thinks this could easily be done try it.. Its magic and the composition and his line comes together like poetry. Some things cant be explained hence the reason people dont get him. Lucky we are all different. As it would be a boring world if we all liked the same thing
So appropriate he was drawn to Mallarme. Having read many translations of the Iliad I never felt the rawness and reduction, that Twombly’s paintings ultimately conveyed, could be found in Pope’s translation. I always felt something more lyrical in that text.
Cy and Rauschenberg were in a relationship , don't be ignorant by saying they were close. They were more than friends . And growing up and being a gay man in those Times and the difficulties that may have had on ones life would have influenced his art too I'm sure .
(Let the younger man speak). And, I am always more interested in art then hearing about old grudges and art politics - that go back decades. And, coincidentally, I would not have minded seeing more of the art as well. (Hand over the remote ... Lol)
That's easy. Just get a piece of paper, get some colored pencils and induce a seizure. I am sorry but this is ridiculous. I absolutely guarantee you I could pass of a toddlers drawing as a Twombly and you would have no idea
Legendas em Português, please!!! É um artista intrigante e gostaria de ler e ouvir sobre as análises. A mim, parece que ele aborda o fazer artístico, a necessidade de expressão, inerente a todos nós.
a little its funny. Nick does appear to not listen to Nicholas as on the mobile then looks up half way. He also is about to give him his phone then snatches it back. But the conversation about Twombly is invaluable and informative.
Are these men robots? Stiff, no eye contact, almost repressed and giving the impression they are insanely bored. I love Twombly's work but it becomes cold and sterile with these two warbling on.
That’s Nick Serota, one of the finest minds in art, and one of the key figures in contemporary art of the last 40 years. He’s no robot, the man is a genius, with impeccable insight and taste.
abstract art like this always has comments about how crude it is and about how it requires no skill. remember not every artists life goal is to show off technical art techniques. Even art like this does require thought. If anything it's these two presenters that take away from the art. Reading into art this much is painful to watch. "This means this, that means that" just let it be fucking hell. Surely the guy would have wrote a book if he wanted his art to be analyses this much. Art is a visual record that is open to interpretation, not a history lesson
i must have been in the mood for ranting that day jeez pahah. i still think that people don't have to analyse abstract art so closely. even if Twombly intended parts of his work to suggest different things I personally think it's down to the individual to figure that out for themselves, especially when the work is so blatantly abstract. i dunno, maybe it makes art collectors feel better if they're able to have a total grasp on an artwork but at the end of the day Twombly himself is the only person who could explain the decisions he made in a painting and even if he was alive to do so I still don't think that sort of an approach achieves much. a piece of art can express different things to different people. Once you've been told what a piece is and what a piece isn't it's like you don't have to think for yourself anymore. this is just what I think anyway
I like the comment: "Reading this much into art is painful." I agree. I've come to the conclusion that the art world is huge, diverse, and complex. Curators, collectors, historians, gallery owners, critics--they are all a part of the art world, and I accept that. Let the artist make art, and let all those people who also make up the art world do what they want as well.
@@evolution0fself I appreciated your rant fwiw. I do think you have to look at Cy within the historical context that he painted which does make him innovative because there was so much mental & emotional Expression and Abstraction in his works on paper, and this was a huge risk he took at the time. Of course his sculpture work is completely different. I see him as an explorative artist, willing to break the rules and let go with it all. For that I'm quite inspired. The next time I hate the roses I paint, I'll think of Cy and his roses and how perfection isn't as necessary as expressiveness, and a willingness to accept what you create.
@@unbroken1010 It depends. How old are you? As a country do you like the United States? How long have you been listening to hip-hop? How much of the internet do you use? What do you think of the use of electronic elements in music? Were you a fan of Lil Wayne during the previous decade? What do you think of Drain Gang? Do you think music has to be intelligent to be enjoyable? It probably depends on even more stuff that I’m leaving out
Abstract art is not that complicated to understand because it never really has a meaning behind it. Many of abstract artists are just bored of doing traditional art and decided to venture into a new territories. So to tell an actual bored artist or a hack can be simply comparing their early works to later ones. Quite a few abstract artists have really impressive early works before they start spreading inks onto canvas. Try to look up Twombly's very early works and you can draw your own conclusion.
Really I could definitely say the same thing about the hip-hop and rap industry no more wasted vinyl. I could definitely say the same about the video gaming industry no more wasted plastic
Yeah well I could create a fake Studio gangster or pop artist in about a day or two. Interesting how you don't see the scam and video games.. biggest scam on the planet going next to government and your virtual signalling about a mask or cancel culture
I think Cy Twombly studied art enough to figure out it's all complete bullshit and people will buy anything if you can tell them some believable story about your work and have it come from people they respect for whatever reason. So he just spent time making literally the worst things he could make and then told people that he had some crazy artistic process and was inspired by whatever nonsense came to his head and people respected him so they bought into it and now you can sell his scribbles and doodles for millions.
"Abstract" is still called art... Is this a real piece of ART? Are people kidding ? Sorry, did not want to be rude, however it is clear- those who want to laugh at people's lack of taste , they put a lot of money into something meaningless , promote it as a masterpiece and enjoy watching crowds admiring whatsoever.
You mean like hip hop rap trap and pop music definitely , mean like fake Hollywood, you mean how you go out for a steak but don't want to accept the fact that you're part of the Unseen Holocaust of the meat, medical and cosmetics industry
I enjoyed this. People need to understand that nonrepresentational art is not about what it depicts but rather what it evokes in the viewer based on what they bring to the viewing experience. It is also important to understand that nonrepresentational art does indeed have interesting motivations behind it.
The word "art" has been overused and over sensationalized.
I am glad I am lucky enough to love Cy Twomblys work. Anyone who thinks this could easily be done try it.. Its magic and the composition and his line comes together like poetry. Some things cant be explained hence the reason people dont get him. Lucky we are all different. As it would be a boring world if we all liked the same thing
A great conversation. Please, I'm looking forward to listen part 2. Thank you very much to the Dulwich Gallery.
Oh man, I love Twombly...can't get enough!
I miss Cy 😔 sigh... I know he would appreciate that.💙
I remember working with Nick during my time in Tate Britain happy Days!
Twombly has been and is still today my favorite artist followed by Agnes Martin.I know that they are worlds apart but..........
Night and day but synbiotic at the same time
You should see the crap in my toilet if you like that kind of art lol
So appropriate he was drawn to Mallarme.
Having read many translations of the Iliad I never felt the rawness and reduction, that Twombly’s paintings ultimately conveyed, could be found in Pope’s translation. I always felt something more lyrical in that text.
I admire the man that has the courage to go against societys rules and criticisms,art is a feeling,no rules are the only rules!
i see sadness, profound sadness in his work. tears, mystery, love and heartbreak but also violence. sexual violence.
tense atmosphere.
cold.
Cy and Rauschenberg were in a relationship , don't be ignorant by saying they were close. They were more than friends . And growing up and being a gay man in those Times and the difficulties that may have had on ones life would have influenced his art too I'm sure .
(Let the younger man speak). And, I am always more interested in art then hearing about old grudges and art politics - that go back decades. And, coincidentally, I would not have minded seeing more of the art as well. (Hand over the remote ... Lol)
I would trade all the technique in the world to paint like Twombly
That's easy. Just get a piece of paper, get some colored pencils and induce a seizure. I am sorry but this is ridiculous. I absolutely guarantee you I could pass of a toddlers drawing as a Twombly and you would have no idea
@@derpnerpwerp I highly doubt that but the one listening to your fake hip hop and rap music
Oh really? You see something other then scribbles because I doubt that
Legendas em Português, please!!!
É um artista intrigante e gostaria de ler e ouvir sobre as análises.
A mim, parece que ele aborda o fazer artístico, a necessidade de expressão, inerente a todos nós.
😊
D'ya get the feeling these two have issues? :P
Yeah,definitely awkward
No just you and trauma
a little its funny. Nick does appear to not listen to Nicholas as on the mobile then looks up half way. He also is about to give him his phone then snatches it back. But the conversation about Twombly is invaluable and informative.
Are these men robots? Stiff, no eye contact, almost repressed and giving the impression they are insanely bored. I love Twombly's work but it becomes cold and sterile with these two warbling on.
Yes, robots.
Twombly work is such trash, an auctioneer can tell you a toddlers painting is work of Twombly and you wouldn’t know the difference I guarantee that
@@BrianBTeman-in2rc there is nothing worse than a bitter and failed amateur artist.
That’s Nick Serota, one of the finest minds in art, and one of the key figures in contemporary art of the last 40 years. He’s no robot, the man is a genius, with impeccable insight and taste.
@@edwardferry8247 I know exactly who he is. Everyone can have an off day. And his attitude here is terrible. If you can’t see that then you are blind.
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snap shot ,
is it water ?
haha
These two speakers need to have an arm wrestle and get it over with.
Jealous.
Madness.
No eye contact.
How are these better than this
They are
Omg
Art talks like that are quite cute
abstract art like this always has comments about how crude it is and about how it requires no skill. remember not every artists life goal is to show off technical art techniques. Even art like this does require thought. If anything it's these two presenters that take away from the art. Reading into art this much is painful to watch. "This means this, that means that" just let it be fucking hell. Surely the guy would have wrote a book if he wanted his art to be analyses this much. Art is a visual record that is open to interpretation, not a history lesson
i must have been in the mood for ranting that day jeez pahah. i still think that people don't have to analyse abstract art so closely. even if Twombly intended parts of his work to suggest different things I personally think it's down to the individual to figure that out for themselves, especially when the work is so blatantly abstract. i dunno, maybe it makes art collectors feel better if they're able to have a total grasp on an artwork but at the end of the day Twombly himself is the only person who could explain the decisions he made in a painting and even if he was alive to do so I still don't think that sort of an approach achieves much. a piece of art can express different things to different people. Once you've been told what a piece is and what a piece isn't it's like you don't have to think for yourself anymore. this is just what I think anyway
I like the comment: "Reading this much into art is painful." I agree. I've come to the conclusion that the art world is huge, diverse, and complex. Curators, collectors, historians, gallery owners, critics--they are all a part of the art world, and I accept that. Let the artist make art, and let all those people who also make up the art world do what they want as well.
@@evolution0fself I appreciated your rant fwiw. I do think you have to look at Cy within the historical context that he painted which does make him innovative because there was so much mental & emotional Expression and Abstraction in his works on paper, and this was a huge risk he took at the time. Of course his sculpture work is completely different. I see him as an explorative artist, willing to break the rules and let go with it all. For that I'm quite inspired. The next time I hate the roses I paint, I'll think of Cy and his roses and how perfection isn't as necessary as expressiveness, and a willingness to accept what you create.
@sdhbfhkds interesting that you say that but don't see the scam and hip-hop and rap and especially trap music
@@unbroken1010 It depends. How old are you? As a country do you like the United States? How long have you been listening to hip-hop? How much of the internet do you use? What do you think of the use of electronic elements in music? Were you a fan of Lil Wayne during the previous decade? What do you think of Drain Gang? Do you think music has to be intelligent to be enjoyable? It probably depends on even more stuff that I’m leaving out
Isn’t Serota a wonderfully warm individual. A man of the people.
You are kidding right?
He's a "great artiste" 😆😅😄😃😂 so am I then I'd better get some crayons and knock paper mache up 😄😅😆
Abstract art is not that complicated to understand because it never really has a meaning behind it. Many of abstract artists are just bored of doing traditional art and decided to venture into a new territories. So to tell an actual bored artist or a hack can be simply comparing their early works to later ones. Quite a few abstract artists have really impressive early works before they start spreading inks onto canvas. Try to look up Twombly's very early works and you can draw your own conclusion.
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barf.
Hang now don't talk about rap music hip-hop and rap that way...
If you like Cy twombly then you should get your head checked
Too much rambling on before discussing Twombly painting.
so hes dead....... no more wasted paint
Really I could definitely say the same thing about the hip-hop and rap industry no more wasted vinyl. I could definitely say the same about the video gaming industry no more wasted plastic
You wouldn’t know the difference between a Twombly painting or a toddlers painting you twat
Takes a lot of nerve to present this shit as art. I couldn't do it -- not sober, anyway.
Yeah well I could create a fake Studio gangster or pop artist in about a day or two. Interesting how you don't see the scam and video games.. biggest scam on the planet going next to government and your virtual signalling about a mask or cancel culture
I think Cy Twombly studied art enough to figure out it's all complete bullshit and people will buy anything if you can tell them some believable story about your work and have it come from people they respect for whatever reason. So he just spent time making literally the worst things he could make and then told people that he had some crazy artistic process and was inspired by whatever nonsense came to his head and people respected him so they bought into it and now you can sell his scribbles and doodles for millions.
What a fucking rubbish. All museum who spend tax-payer money on those pictures should be held accountable.
Bruh museums don’t use tax payer money lmao
In short Cy Twomblys art is shit and a scam
"Abstract" is still called art... Is this a real piece of ART? Are people kidding ? Sorry, did not want to be rude, however it is clear- those who want to laugh at people's lack of taste , they put a lot of money into something meaningless , promote it as a masterpiece and enjoy watching crowds admiring whatsoever.
You mean like hip hop rap trap and pop music definitely , mean like fake Hollywood, you mean how you go out for a steak but don't want to accept the fact that you're part of the Unseen Holocaust of the meat, medical and cosmetics industry
We are all dumber from listening to this