Jingles, The actual calibre of the QF 77mm gun is 76.2mm (3"), because it uses the exact same projectile as the 17 pdr gun in a different casing. "77mm HV" was used as a designation to avoid confusion in the supply chain as (contrary to popular belief) the 17pdr and "77mm" ammunition were NOT interchangeable.
The Black Prince - 76mm gun that needs a LARGE caliber tank gun rammer. SU-100 - 122mm gun that only needs a MEDIUM caliber tank gun rammer. -Because Russia.
***** *Prince. Edward of Woodstock, was the heir apparent to the English throne until his death in 1876. He was the first Prince of Wales to not become king. (He was also Prince of Aquitaine for a time).
Driving the churchills pisses me off so bad, they're so damn slow. I've started make squeaky wheel noises just to pass the goddamn time when im trying to roll to battle.
I've said it before, ill say it again, the Hellcat gets to mount the 90mm gun, which it never had, only in testing. The British army actually did tests to see in the Churchill VII could handle the 17pdr, so in my opinion the Churchill should get the 17pdr as its top gun and the Black Prince I feel should get the Type A barrel 20pdr. Just my opinion.
Fully agreed. It's strange that the British rarely seem to get unhistorical guns on tanks that actually existed while many others get ridiculous guns they never had like the Hellcat or IS-4.
What are you talking about? 90 mm was american end of the war new weapon. Hellcat dis came equipped with these cannons. M26 did came equipped with these cannons. In my eyes, USA only had 90 mm which was an adequate tank cannon of WW2. British onlu had 17 pounder. Only germans had good selection of early firepower. From 75/48 pz.4 cannons or even their 50/60 pz.3 cannons. Only de zermans had decent firepower in the war, continuing with dreaded 88 and brutally efficient 75/70 panther gun. To top it off, Germans had finished also as da best. With long 88 being the best mass produced tank cannon of ww2. Also their heavy designs of 128 also were showing promise, though they were largely inefricient.
As a person who exclusively plays Brit tanks on PC and PS4, Brit tanks are rarely buffed and often feel nerfed compared USA and USSR, especially tiers 5-7. However they can be avsolutely devastating if handled well, a Churchill I can rape a KV1, and it is HARD to get mastery in supposedly terrible British heavies
I got the first class with the first gun... 5 kills, my first game was on himulsdarf vs Mosley tier 6s, but I was mostly stock. I did so well in that situation that I was able to get almost all my upgrades. That thing is cheap to upgrade...
Wasn't my favorite, but I loved it. Like Manc, my first game was awesome, solo'd a derpy T34 and almost beat an IS-3 1v1. Almost got him but an ISU showed up and beat my face in.
If I remember correctly the reason the 77mm gun fires 76mm shells is because the 17 pounder was overpenetrating its targets and was too large for many tanks, so they reduced the size of the weapon for use on more tanks and to reduce muzzle velocity and for some reason just decided to designate the shorter weapon as a 77mm to avoid confusion with the 76mm 17 pounder
The 77mm HV gun did exist, it was a modification of the 17 pounder to fit it into smaller turrets. The case was also modified and shortened but fired the same 17 pounder projectiles.
Let me help you with this: *Churchill Mk VII* Slow (sloooooooow) moving fortress when Top Tier. Slow moving distraction/target when not. Gun does a telescope impression when driving over a bump in the road. That's all folks.
Jingles! the OQF 77mm gun is actually a shortened version of the 17 pounder gun! the british designated it as 77mm as not to create confusion. the reason you may ask, as to why there is a shortened verison of the 17 pounder gun is that the comet (and i guess the black prince) could not fit the big ol' 17 pounder gun in it, so they shortened it to allow it to fit.
Hey Jingles, the QF 77mm HV was called a 77mm gun historically, for the sake of not confusing it's ammunition with the 17 Pdr's ammunition (same shell, but with a 3" 20 cwt casing). This is why it's designated as a 77mm, but is listed as a 76mm.
Actually Jingles it was called the OQP 77mm gun so the crews wouldn't mix up the ammunition up with the 17-pdr gun, the 77mm gun is very similar but it is a cut down version of the 17-pdr gun so the ammunition looks very similar but cannot work out of the other version of the gun. It is wired though you have to use that gun, the 77mm, seeing as it was never mounted to the black prince.
The actual bore diameter of the "77 mm' is 76.2 mm . The reason the British termed it the "'77 mm" was to distinguish it from the US "76 mm" used on the M4 "Sherman" series tanks that were in use by US Forces & Allied Forces including British Commonwealth units.
Artillery players often do not know they have an overhead view for Artillery play. Nothing in the tutorial explains it. It's not made clear enough. You see so many Artillery players going forward to try and directly engage targets normally. They just don't know that Artillery plays differently.
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This tank can work very well in open maps also as a heavy scout and flank blocker. Because the traverse is so good, you can angle your armour against multiple tanks as they take turns firing on you. Keep angled and hull down and you can absord ludicrous amounts of damage and still be there, getting spots up, and the red team cant take the flank. If you have a good TD as a backup, two tanks can hold a flank against half the enemy team like this virtually indefinitely.
Glorious gnome leader, is there any chance you will be doing a KV-4 review in the near future? I'd love to see one and I think I'm not the only one who would like it. In return I will serve another 5 years in the salt mines.
Jingles, hi from 2017, I was just scrolling through the first page of the comments and I don't know if people have said this but the Black Prince is a baby Tog II. If you think about it the Black Prince has the same gun as on the Tog II, it is 5kph faster (because it hasn't had enough time to munch on KV-1Ss and T-150s). I don't know if this makes since or if someone already mentioned it but those are my independent thoughts.
I was so excited to just have armor that came together into something that actually worked with the BP. Wasn't super fun, but it wasn't super bad. Think you'll enjoy the Caernarvon Jingles. I've had a lot of success playing it as a more aggressive Centurion that can really punish with the faster firing type B barrel. That one piece of hull armor it has (the upper front plate) is worth it's weight in gold for being able to take some hits if you get caught with your pants down (or in a city), and for much needed protection when 2 inches of your hull is showing while hull down.
The gun was called a '77mm' to differentiate the gun and it's ammo from other 76mm guns in Commonwealth service, such as in some models of Sherman, and the 17 pounder itself. The types were not interchangeable at all, so they made it simpler for the QM to keep them straight.
Hey jingles, I was playing the black prince earlier today and I find if you turn the turret out away from the building you're side scraping on, it allows you to put a much more aggressive angle on the front. Say you're side scraping and shooting out over the right side, you turn the turret further to the right. It works especially well if you're tracked in a position where you cant shoot back but the cheeks of the turret is still visible. Using this tactic I was able to bounce APCR from a tiger II and Centurion Mk I. I know this is quite an old video and im probably beating a dead horse.
Please do a video on the German D.W.2. I'm currently 0 26 in this piece of shit and I want others to share in my suffering. It's essentially a bigger M3 Lee with a turret, the mobility of a stock Hetzer, and an abysmally shitty choice of weapons. So, the M3 Lee without everything that makes the M3 Lee tolerable.
I have never driven a D.W.2 before, but I can tell you I have no fear of them that is for sure. Even my light tanks can normally penetrate without to much trouble, and I can normally take a hit or two from them if I have too.
Personally until i stopped playing WoT i did a nice run with the D.W.2, i had more wins than losses i think and i had a few nice games, and i believe i actually got 4 kills in a couple of games. It's a very "situational" tank, either you are top tier or you are in right spot at the right time...in any other situation you have to be lucky to do a decent game! It can be penetrated easily as it is extremely flat, but if you play the angle game you can bounce quite a few shots, and that HP is really good! I used to call it "The Doom Wagon"
The 77mm HV is a proper historic name that rounds up the 76,2mm (3") calibre. WG do normal rounding. A 17-pdr projectile using a smaller case from an old 3" naval gun allowing a thinner barrel wall (less propellant pressure) which permitted using something close to the mighty 17pdr on smaller platforms like the Comet. Both are under represented in WoT by tier and impact.
From what i've heard the 77mm HV gun was a development of the 76.2mm 17 pdr. gun. It was called "77mm" to avoid confusion with ammunition, as the shells it fired were different to those the 17 pdr.. Also, the real Black Prince mounted the regular 17 pdr. rather than the 77mm HV, which was only used on the Comet.
I think the reason why the British heavy tanks have to use large calibre Tank gun rammers on the medium calibre guns is so when you reach the conquerer at tier 9 if you are carrying over equipment from the previous tanks it will work with the larger calibre gun on the conquerer. However a lot of people keep their previous tank so it only makes them suffer.
Milan Dičér have to keep in mind. Even side scraping, the Black Prince can dish out the damage faster than a KV-3 could do. Plus can bounce the shots. Sure a KV-3 can bitch slap you senseless with one shot but that is okay but you can still fight back. Yet a Black Prince can slap you and keeps kicking you in the balls until you don't have any.
llXxRazorxXll because of that pike nose is7 sucks at side scraping. your front armor is already angled so when you side scrape you just show a flat surface to the enemy. is-3 and is-8 the same story. i mostly do reverse side scraping when i use my is3.
Welp, I can't watch this. Jingle's early opinions on this tank make me cry. The Black prince is my most favorite tier 7 heavy. I love it because it taught me weak spots, its hull traverse is magical as well as it's side armor when angled and the only real weakness to this tank is the T29.
The AMX 40 is amazing at it's tier. Above it's tier it sucks however. The BP is in no WAY the worst tank in it's tier when tanks like the DW2, the Lee, and the M5 Stuart exist. The BP is great when angled right. If you dont angle it, then it's like driving the T29 out in the open. Insta-death.
Collin Warren I mastered the M3 Lee, and it is a very remarkable tank. It just has this weakness for a slightly sluggish and weakly armored horrendous mosh of a tank...BUT ITS GUN!... I call it the ejaculator myself. Very painful penetration and RoF with the right skills and equipment, and very hard to circle for a few light tanks it may face.
About the 77mm Gun having a 76mm caliber: The 77mm Gun was basically a modified version of the 17 Pounder gun,thus firing the same caliber,76mm Shells.However the shells were not interchangeable between this and the 17 Pounder gun,thus to avoid confusion,they renamed this gun 77mm.
3 quick comments on this review (good job btw Jingles). 1) I didn't mind the 77mm gun too much. If you are top tier, then it is still good. Not top tier? Then problems. It isn't the worst stock gun out there though. 2) I carried a small supply of apcr ammo on by BP, but I think the number of rounds of it I used can be counted on 1 hand 3) Unlike the previous churchill tanks, the BP actually gets some gun depression (8 degrees if memory serves). So, you can actually find positions to go hull down in and bounce loads of shots on your awesome turret. This gun depression makes the tank feel a lot more comfortable than it's forebears.
If you look at the actual gun it's actually labeled as a 77mm gun but it's a 76mm bore. If I recall correctly the gun was actually a modified 17 pounder and the mislabeling was done to insure ammo wasn't mixed
Thankfully I went through the British medium line first, so I already had the 17 pounder unlocked, and didn't have to use the 77mm on the Black Prince. I wasn't expecting to like this tank very much, but it's so tough. I love it.
The 77mm gun was the gun used on the Comet tank. It's basically a 17 lber with a shorter breach. Since it had a shorter breach, it could not fire the same projectiles as the normal 76.2mm 17lber, so they changed the name to 77mm so as not to confuse ammunition types. The gun name is correct. These reviews are supposed to be educational Jingles! The 77mm gun is almost common knowledge for a WWII weapon's enthusiast!
as of the last replay, I'm thinking, that the tiger in the cap, moved up, not to shoot at the T29 in particular, but to save the black prince, hoping that the black prince living could ensure them to win the fight against the T29 and lizu's black prince as it happens, potential rockstar move, but the one he was trying to help was just as bad anyway so it just ended up in him throwing his HP away
The 77mm/76mm-discrepancy stems from a need to tell ammo types apart. The "77"mm shell was shorter than the "normal" 76,2mm shell and thus could not be used in different guns. And in order to reduce the risk of errors the ordnanc office (or whatever the approriate authority in UK was called at the time) simply gave it a special name.
The Comet's gun was called a 77mm gun for logistical reasons. It was in fact a 76.2mm gun, but to make sure that the ammunition was not confused as being able to be fired from the 17 Pounder (which it wasn't) they called it a 77mm.
The British used the 17pdr, 3 inch Howitzer, 3 inch Anti-tank gun, 76mm M1 all of which were 76.2mm weapons. Hence the a new 76.2mm would lead to confusion of the non-compatible ammunition considering they had run out of names. Hence it was designated 77mm
The caliber of the 17pdr gun is actually 76.2mm. The 77mm gun is literally just a 17pdr with a shortened breach and barrel to allow it to fit into British tank turrets, such as the Comet, as they had very limited space inside. Both guns were 76.2mm and fired the same projectiles but they used different cartridge cases, therefore their ammunition was not interchangeable. So to avoid confusion over the ammunition, the short 17pdr was renamed the "77mm HV". They chose 77mm as there was already 76mm guns in service at the time. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_17-pounder
really good and informative video jingles, i would really like to see you make use of the tank inspector in all of your tank reviews/info vids,, really does help especially to ppl new to the game as people with multiple tier 7's will have a big advantage over somebody grinding their first. i think these videos would help in terms of making matches more fun and competetive by giving good information on enemy armour to even less experienced players. keep up the good work
One point you missed on the Black Prince. It slow speed make it a great support tanks. follow in slow behind(as if you have to drive slow) some tanks on your team. And keep moving up and firing on the move you can push a line up an in to the other team before they can stop you. The BP is a skill base tank that need to be played right but it one of the tier 7 heavy I still have I like it so much.
The Vickers 77mm Gun is a 76.2 mm gun fires the 17Pdr shell powered by the old QF 3 inch 20 cwt cartridge( that was shorter and easier to fit into a tank) with a slightly reduced barrel length barrel from the 17Pdr. So says good old Ian V. Hogg. It was the British Ordinance Department that called it a 77mm to prevent issues getting the wrong Ammunition. World of Tanks has the name correct
the reason the OQF 77mm has a calibre of 76mm is because it fires 17 pounder projectile but with a 3 inch cartridge case. this ammunition was fired from a shortened 17 pounder barrel with a shortened breach due to the fact the massive breach of a 17 pounder would no allow it to be mounted in the comet. because the cartridge was was an AA cartridge and the dimensions of it were different it could not be used in the 76.2mm 17 pounder. therefore they named the ammunition 77mm HV to prevent confusion and to prevent the ammo types being used in the wrong guns. the gun was named the OQF 77mm because of this, while still being a 76.2mm calibre gun firing the 76.2mm projectile
The British themselves labeled the gun the 77mm as it was based in the 17pdr with a shortened barrel but firing ammunition derived from a 3 inch anti-aircraft gun and non interchangeable with the 17pdr ammo so to avoid confusion they used the 77mm designation
I know I said as much for the 360 version when I was rolling the Black Prince. Course you don't mention the Prince also has abysmal depression. The armor gives you the idea that it likes fighting hull down, but anything at all propping the front end up and you couldn't hit a mountain right in front of you. It's a flat land beast if I ever saw one. If you're a lower tier tank fighting the Prince, they're an indomitable monster, but once you're in it and fighting higher tiers you're screwed most of the time. Open maps are plague, catch a T-29 in the hull down and even if you're hull down as well they'll take you.
I remember loving this tank. Only tanks at tier 7 that ever gave me any issue were T29s and other Black Princes, the latter mostly because it became a plink fight to see who could hit which weak points first.
I got this tank 4 days ago, and it becomes my favorite tier 7 heavy. The reason is the top gun coupled with dead aim perk. Blowing the tracks of the opposition and force him to trade shots with its quick firing gun. Together with a good frontal armour. Yeah.. it is a "tank".
the videos of the planes are great but the video added with your commentary really makes these videos ....I am not a huge fan of the WOT/WT videos but I am a huge fan of your museum visits......I feel like I am in the museum with you getting a tour ...just awesome Jingles;....can not wait for the next videos
Hi Jingles,I meant to comment on this ages ago, but forgot ... wargaming *aren't* to blame for the confusion of the names on the guns, it's actually the Army. See, there was already a 76mm gun in existence, but that and the new 76mm gun they were developing couldn't share ammunition. As such, it was decided to call the new 76mm gun a 77mm so that all of the ammo would get marked differently and not end up in the wrong gun.
Jingles, I enquired about the 77/76mm thing on the WoT forums and was told it was called the 77mm gun to avoid confusion with the American guns and the 17-pounder.
Calibre of the "de-tuned" 17pdr was 76mm but was termed 77mm to avoid confusion with the array of 17pdr and 76mm guns in service FYI the 3" mortar calibre Was 81mm.
Even when you're purely angling, the BP is extremely effective at taking shots. I had a match where my BP held off 3 tanks alone at A2 on El Halluf. I sent that replay to Jingles, but he didn't show that in this video, I guess it wasn't good enough, but bouncing KV-2's shot is rare.
The 77mm gun was actually 76.2mm, but was called the 77mm to avoid confusing it with the American 76mm , It was originally 76mm as well, but was enlarged to 76.2 so it could use the 17 pounder she'll. NOTE the 17 pounder used a larger round , the 77mm was less powerful.
"And that folks is why the Black Prince is the undisputed king of sidescraping and angling. And it will fight anybody who says different. As long as, you know, the fight's on a city map." - The Mighty Jingles. ¤throws glove at Jingles¤ Meet me in my KV-4, any day.
Jingles it is called the OQF 77mm because the British army thought of that. The problem was that the gun fires the same shells as the 17 pounder but with a less powerful propellant charge. To keep troops from using the wrong munition in the field this gun was called the OQF 77mm.
Ahoy Jingles, the 77HV designation on a 76mm gun was to avoid confusion (lolz). The Brits already had the 17 pounder, as well as the American 76mm high velocity guns. So, they kept the 76mm calibre, but changed the designation to 77HV. There... doesn't that feel better? Cheers from a fellow logophile.
The 77mm was a 76mm gun, but it was called the 77mm for logistic resons as not to get ammo mixed up with other 76mm guns. And that is the sort story behind it
Definitely one of my favorites, liked it from the start, when I was completely stock and got a mastery on himmelsdorf, five masteries and 100 games later it is a tank i will not be parting with anytime soon. I do have a few remarks, 1 the hull rotation is allot better than the stats say, mostly because of its great terrain resistance, it is very difficult to circle a BP. 2 it is simple how to buff the BP, just increase its rof, then it could have a hight enough dpm to be noticed.
For me the best thing about moving from Churchills into Black Prince was having a vertical gun arc worth a damn again, and the ~50% better hp/ton ratio.
The SU 122-44 most likely used an HE shell which experienced players tend to do on tough targets such as the Black Prince, T-29, T-34, etc. as it guarantees at least an internal module damage or crew casaulty if the target doesn't have a spall liner. I managed an ammo rack on the side of a 100% health Tiger.I. using a 122 HE hit from 100 metres with an SU 122-44 once.
The calibre of the 77mm was 76.2mm. It is actually historically correct, as I believe they decided to call it a 77mm to distinguish it from the 17 pounder. The 77mm was a slightly modified 17 pounder (also 76.2mm) that fit the comet turret, with slightly more compact shell casing and slightly inferior performance to the 17 pounder.
The gun has the caliber of 77mm. But like all British guns at that time, it used subcaliber rounds for higher penetration and velocity! That's why the 17 pdr. was so effective. So the gun has the caliber of 77mm but the shell the caliber of 76mm.
The 77mm gun is actually a 76.2mm (3inch) gun. It was named the 77mm to differentiate it from the American 76mm gun as they used different ammo to help avoid confusion.
I think Wargaming may have got the gun naming correct, the confusion is on the part of the real things. There are quite a few versions, but main 2 versions of the 17pdr, normal version (Centurion, Black prince, TOG2) and slightly lighter/shorter version for the Comet. Both are Same 3 inch calibre (76.2mm), but that rounded up in the official Calibre of 77mm in the official nomenclature. Stock guns - 17pdr ordnance Quick Firing Comet gun - 77mm Ordnance quick firing mk2 Not to be confused with the American Forces 76mm M1 Anti tank gun. Which was also a good gun, not so quite a good penetration, but simpler and much faster firing. I think the Brits still preferred the 17pdr and would swap them if possible. As in the Wolverine tank destroyer to make the Achilles. Kev
As for the Hummel driver..... I've done it myself once although not that badly. I thought I'd fired up my Nashorn and got myself a nice position behind cover and unpacked my picnic hamper ready for an afternoons grouse shooting when I realised....Doh!
I got this tank two weeks ago. If you like driving the Churchills, you will LOVE driving the Black Prince. Three Days ago i played in a Platoon with a SU152. I stood in front and hit the tracks of the enemies, my fried fired with his 700dmg gun. At the and i had 4340 Damage blocked by armor and 2 kills and my ally had 5 Kills "over my shoulder". You can even kill some Tier VIII or Tier IX tanks if you play carefully. But you have to be very carefully if there is Artillery in the game. Most time you will be the favorite target. The Black Prince and the Matilda are my two favorite tanks in this game. (excuse my english, it is not my mother's tongue)
Andreas Röger Nice. The Churchills have fairly accurate guns and I like how you can shoot on the move, but the lack of mobility is gonna take some getting used to.
straswa Even with the Black Prince you have a lack of mobility. My suggestion: Don't get rounded. Always look at the map and be sure that there is an ally or two beside you. If i play in a platoon with my friends, i am much more effective with my Black Prince.
4:00 It's called the 77mm to differentiate it from the 76mm 17 pounder, and the other 76mm shells (which was actually a very common size because it's an even three inches,) to make it easier for logistics troops when ordering supplies. You can blame that one on the English, not WGing. =D
I absolutely loved my Black Prince. 90 games, 68% winrate. It doesnt have the weakspots of two churchils and the gun is quite good, the whole thing sidescrapes well. By far my most succesful tier VII HT.
The OQF 77mm is a 76,2mm gun but it was named 77mm in order to prevent confusion over ammunition supply since this gun is a 17pdr but it is not compatible with normal 17pdr ammunition. So that is an annoyance that you will have to direct at the war office instead of Wargaming. :P
It was called to 77mm HV instead of a 76mm so the gun would not be confused with the 17pdr since it was a shorter version of the 17pdr and used different, smaller ammunition that is not compatible with the 17pdr.
Jingles, the 77mm/76mm thing is actually correct. The name of the gun historically was the 77mm but the genuine gun was only 76mm in size. The reason was that the 17-Pounder also fires 76mm ammo but was incompatible with the Comet's (77) gun. So they had the Comet's 77mm gun named as such to avoid confusion. As it appears in game, it is historically correct. A rare case of WG getting it right for once! It fooled me too for months until Listy clued me in on the reality of it all.
I need to agree with almost what did you say about BP. Its worst T7 HT and some of T6 tanks are better in some aspects from BP. And also if you didn't research medium line of British tanks its very slow process to open all parts of BP
the fact that the 77mm is listed as being 76mm in calibre is actually correct and not a WG derp. The 77mm was developed based off of the 17 pounder for the Comet cruiser tank because the 17 pounder had too long of a recoil travel and as such couldn't fit into the Comet's turret, so they redesigned parts of the 17 pounder (such as shortening the barrel) and redesigned the shell cartridge to be smaller so as to reduce recoil (but with a loss of penetration capability). The shell itself however remained the same as the 17 pounder's, which was a 76mm shell, but because the cartridge was smaller the redesigned round would not function in the 17 pounder so for logistical purposes is was named the 77mm to avoid confusion and prevent 17 pounder rounds being provided for the 77mm and vice versa (same story with the 75mm on the M4 Sherman and the 3 inch gun on the M10 wolverine, they also share a common projectile but with different cartridges)
It's not WG's fault it's called a 77mm because that's what the British called it so they didn't get it's ordinance confused with the 76mm 17 pdr it was based on
Mr Jingles you failed to mention perhaps the biggest strength of the BP. It actually gets great gun depression with a really strong turret with relatevely no weakspots at tier 7 and 8 games. You should give it a try. Anyway lovelly vid, take care mate.
The 77mm was called this way because the ammo didnt fit the standard 76.2mm 17lbs. The caliber was the same for both guns but the standard 17lbs was too big for Comet.
Tank was also plannes to have the centurion Mk1 turret but never progressed that far, would have liked to see that in game Jingles the 77HV information is correct. irl the gun was 76mm but they were concerned there could be confusion with the 17pdr, 76mm ammunition so the gun was relabelled 77HV even though it was only really 76.
The name of the gun is the official name of the gun, however the caliber is 76.2mm So the 76mm caliber shown is more accurate than the official name. The stock gun is actually a 17pdr, that had its barrel and breech shortened.
I was in a tier 9 or 10 game on Ruinberg in the King Tiger and set up at E2. After taking and dishing some pain, an ally TD accidentally took out my last 100ish HP, hitting pretty much exactly where you hit the ally T34 at 23:39. I hadn't been moving for the last half-minute I think, while the ally TD had been peek-a-booing.
31:04 that one in a million shot you were talking about, I thought it was gonna be like 10x more epic with an artillery lucky shot that would take off half his health or something ridiculous like that right at the beginning of the game
Love the Black Prince, its a Churchill III for tier 7. Unfortunately unlike the Churchill III it doesn't have preferred matchmaking. I thin I've got more Steel Walls in it than any other tank now, and I'm not even done unlocking the Caern yet.
Jingles,
The actual calibre of the QF 77mm gun is 76.2mm (3"), because it uses the exact same projectile as the 17 pdr gun in a different casing. "77mm HV" was used as a designation to avoid confusion in the supply chain as (contrary to popular belief) the 17pdr and "77mm" ammunition were NOT interchangeable.
The Black Prince - 76mm gun that needs a LARGE caliber tank gun rammer.
SU-100 - 122mm gun that only needs a MEDIUM caliber tank gun rammer.
-Because Russia.
This name always intrigued me; the tank wasn't painted black was it?
LOL!! No!! Named after a British Knight from the middle ages, look it up.
***** *Prince. Edward of Woodstock, was the heir apparent to the English throne until his death in 1876. He was the first Prince of Wales to not become king. (He was also Prince of Aquitaine for a time).
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wrong dates.
Prince Edward, Prince of wales- died 1376
03germas You know, I said 1376 first time, mistyped the second time. Typical, isn't it.
E. A. Deasar
sod's law huh
Loving these highly updated tank reviews Jingles! :D
Is it possible you can do the Caernarvon as well? Just wondering is all :)
I think he has.
Jayvon Webb this was over a year ago, kind of an outdated comment now
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If he is not black then i will paint LOL.
Driving the churchills pisses me off so bad, they're so damn slow. I've started make squeaky wheel noises just to pass the goddamn time when im trying to roll to battle.
I've said it before, ill say it again, the Hellcat gets to mount the 90mm gun, which it never had, only in testing. The British army actually did tests to see in the Churchill VII could handle the 17pdr, so in my opinion the Churchill should get the 17pdr as its top gun and the Black Prince I feel should get the Type A barrel 20pdr. Just my opinion.
Fully agreed. It's strange that the British rarely seem to get unhistorical guns on tanks that actually existed while many others get ridiculous guns they never had like the Hellcat or IS-4.
What are you talking about? 90 mm was american end of the war new weapon. Hellcat dis came equipped with these cannons. M26 did came equipped with these cannons.
In my eyes, USA only had 90 mm which was an adequate tank cannon of WW2. British onlu had 17 pounder. Only germans had good selection of early firepower. From 75/48 pz.4 cannons or even their 50/60 pz.3 cannons. Only de zermans had decent firepower in the war, continuing with dreaded 88 and brutally efficient 75/70 panther gun. To top it off, Germans had finished also as da best. With long 88 being the best mass produced tank cannon of ww2. Also their heavy designs of 128 also were showing promise, though they were largely inefricient.
As a person who exclusively plays Brit tanks on PC and PS4, Brit tanks are rarely buffed and often feel nerfed compared USA and USSR, especially tiers 5-7. However they can be avsolutely devastating if handled well, a Churchill I can rape a KV1, and it is HARD to get mastery in supposedly terrible British heavies
my favourite tier 7 heavy
I got the first class with the first gun... 5 kills, my first game was on himulsdarf vs Mosley tier 6s, but I was mostly stock.
I did so well in that situation that I was able to get almost all my upgrades. That thing is cheap to upgrade...
Wasn't my favorite, but I loved it. Like Manc, my first game was awesome, solo'd a derpy T34 and almost beat an IS-3 1v1. Almost got him but an ISU showed up and beat my face in.
If I remember correctly the reason the 77mm gun fires 76mm shells is because the 17 pounder was overpenetrating its targets and was too large for many tanks, so they reduced the size of the weapon for use on more tanks and to reduce muzzle velocity and for some reason just decided to designate the shorter weapon as a 77mm to avoid confusion with the 76mm 17 pounder
Read my comment above.
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... what the heck?
The 77mm HV gun did exist, it was a modification of the 17 pounder to fit it into smaller turrets. The case was also modified and shortened but fired the same 17 pounder projectiles.
I was typing my comment while you were and then when I posted mine it refreshed and there yours was just before mine :(
The ammunition fired is actually different hence why it was given the 77mm to avoid confusion with the normal 17pdr.
Let me help you with this:
*Churchill Mk VII*
Slow (sloooooooow) moving fortress when Top Tier.
Slow moving distraction/target when not.
Gun does a telescope impression when driving over a bump in the road.
That's all folks.
Jingles! the OQF 77mm gun is actually a shortened version of the 17 pounder gun! the british designated it as 77mm as not to create confusion. the reason you may ask, as to why there is a shortened verison of the 17 pounder gun is that the comet (and i guess the black prince) could not fit the big ol' 17 pounder gun in it, so they shortened it to allow it to fit.
One thing I noticed is, this thing is pretty manoeuvreable, its not fast, no, but it turns quite quickly for a heavy tank
Hey Jingles, the QF 77mm HV was called a 77mm gun historically, for the sake of not confusing it's ammunition with the 17 Pdr's ammunition (same shell, but with a 3" 20 cwt casing). This is why it's designated as a 77mm, but is listed as a 76mm.
Shut up about the slowness jingles, I drive my T95 for fun!
Actually Jingles it was called the OQP 77mm gun so the crews wouldn't mix up the ammunition up with the 17-pdr gun, the 77mm gun is very similar but it is a cut down version of the 17-pdr gun so the ammunition looks very similar but cannot work out of the other version of the gun. It is wired though you have to use that gun, the 77mm, seeing as it was never mounted to the black prince.
Must... resist... urge to start.... grinding British heavy.... line.... Willpower fading... free XP in danger...
The actual bore diameter of the "77 mm' is 76.2 mm . The reason the British termed it the "'77 mm" was to distinguish it from the US "76 mm" used on the M4 "Sherman" series tanks that were in use by US Forces & Allied Forces including British Commonwealth units.
Artillery players often do not know they have an overhead view for Artillery play. Nothing in the tutorial explains it. It's not made clear enough.
You see so many Artillery players going forward to try and directly engage targets normally. They just don't know that Artillery plays differently.
Saw a loyd GC do that and survive with 2 kills
That's pretty metal
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I forgot how much better these gun sounds are compared to now...😟
Please, start making these type of videos again, Jingles...
This tank can work very well in open maps also as a heavy scout and flank blocker. Because the traverse is so good, you can angle your armour against multiple tanks as they take turns firing on you. Keep angled and hull down and you can absord ludicrous amounts of damage and still be there, getting spots up, and the red team cant take the flank. If you have a good TD as a backup, two tanks can hold a flank against half the enemy team like this virtually indefinitely.
Glorious gnome leader, is there any chance you will be doing a KV-4 review in the near future?
I'd love to see one and I think I'm not the only one who would like it.
In return I will serve another 5 years in the salt mines.
KV-Fortress review, on the To Do list.
+The Mighty Jingles hay jingles when I went to the museum I hugged the tog 2 too
Jingles, hi from 2017, I was just scrolling through the first page of the comments and I don't know if people have said this but the Black Prince is a baby Tog II. If you think about it the Black Prince has the same gun as on the Tog II, it is 5kph faster (because it hasn't had enough time to munch on KV-1Ss and T-150s). I don't know if this makes since or if someone already mentioned it but those are my independent thoughts.
I was so excited to just have armor that came together into something that actually worked with the BP. Wasn't super fun, but it wasn't super bad.
Think you'll enjoy the Caernarvon Jingles. I've had a lot of success playing it as a more aggressive Centurion that can really punish with the faster firing type B barrel. That one piece of hull armor it has (the upper front plate) is worth it's weight in gold for being able to take some hits if you get caught with your pants down (or in a city), and for much needed protection when 2 inches of your hull is showing while hull down.
Jiggles, he can't be the king, he a prince ._.
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The gun was called a '77mm' to differentiate the gun and it's ammo from other 76mm guns in Commonwealth service, such as in some models of Sherman, and the 17 pounder itself. The types were not interchangeable at all, so they made it simpler for the QM to keep them straight.
Thanks for another comprehensive review. I really appreciate the historical info as well.
Hey jingles, I was playing the black prince earlier today and I find if you turn the turret out away from the building you're side scraping on, it allows you to put a much more aggressive angle on the front. Say you're side scraping and shooting out over the right side, you turn the turret further to the right. It works especially well if you're tracked in a position where you cant shoot back but the cheeks of the turret is still visible. Using this tactic I was able to bounce APCR from a tiger II and Centurion Mk I. I know this is quite an old video and im probably beating a dead horse.
Please do a video on the German D.W.2. I'm currently 0 26 in this piece of shit and I want others to share in my suffering.
It's essentially a bigger M3 Lee with a turret, the mobility of a stock Hetzer, and an abysmally shitty choice of weapons. So, the M3 Lee without everything that makes the M3 Lee tolerable.
Not really. I mean you actually GET a turret so angling isn't impossible. Still crap though.
Also why do you want jingles to suffer through THAT tank?
Mancboy2000 because it would make for an entertaining video.
Tim Alban
Yes, because the last thing I need is someone switching to armor piercing or HEAT ammo to deal with me.
I have never driven a D.W.2 before, but I can tell you I have no fear of them that is for sure. Even my light tanks can normally penetrate without to much trouble, and I can normally take a hit or two from them if I have too.
Personally until i stopped playing WoT i did a nice run with the D.W.2, i had more wins than losses i think and i had a few nice games, and i believe i actually got 4 kills in a couple of games. It's a very "situational" tank, either you are top tier or you are in right spot at the right time...in any other situation you have to be lucky to do a decent game!
It can be penetrated easily as it is extremely flat, but if you play the angle game you can bounce quite a few shots, and that HP is really good!
I used to call it "The Doom Wagon"
The 77mm HV is a proper historic name that rounds up the 76,2mm (3") calibre. WG do normal rounding.
A 17-pdr projectile using a smaller case from an old 3" naval gun allowing a thinner barrel wall (less propellant pressure) which permitted using something close to the mighty 17pdr on smaller platforms like the Comet.
Both are under represented in WoT by tier and impact.
Jingles! They are buffing the M46 Patton!
Woot!
BohemianEagle Apparently the accuracy on the move and other stuff :)
and bringing ussr and amarcan light tanks
From what i've heard the 77mm HV gun was a development of the 76.2mm 17 pdr. gun. It was called "77mm" to avoid confusion with ammunition, as the shells it fired were different to those the 17 pdr.. Also, the real Black Prince mounted the regular 17 pdr. rather than the 77mm HV, which was only used on the Comet.
jingles, can you tell us your ingame settings? I want my game to look like that but somehow, my game looks worse... please tell uS!
I think the reason why the British heavy tanks have to use large calibre Tank gun rammers on the medium calibre guns is so when you reach the conquerer at tier 9 if you are carrying over equipment from the previous tanks it will work with the larger calibre gun on the conquerer. However a lot of people keep their previous tank so it only makes them suffer.
can you do a review of the Churchill Mk 7
he did a preview of churchill mk 7 along time ago and I said preview
previews can change when it gets in the full game without people firing gold
well its the only thing
That tank is a bad, BAD tank, the turret is still a big weakness compare to the BP, and the gun sucks, only 8 extra pen, and useless in tier 8
Dung Bui Viet But in t6 or even t7, it has great armour when angled
Jingles, the QF 77mm used proprietary 76mm ammo. Royal ordinance designated it as the 77mm so as to avoid ammo supply confusion.
king of sidescraping? KV1 KV-4 ? ST-I
I take it you haven't driven the Brit heavies? BP is EPIC when sidescraping!
i have but KV line is better ;) (except KV3...that horrible for everything)
Milan Dičér have to keep in mind. Even side scraping, the Black Prince can dish out the damage faster than a KV-3 could do. Plus can bounce the shots.
Sure a KV-3 can bitch slap you senseless with one shot but that is okay but you can still fight back. Yet a Black Prince can slap you and keeps kicking you in the balls until you don't have any.
I think, the king of all sidescraping is the IS-7, E-100, and Maus. Mostly the IS-7 because of the spaced armor side, and that pike nose :D
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because of that pike nose is7 sucks at side scraping. your front armor is already angled so when you side scrape you just show a flat surface to the enemy. is-3 and is-8 the same story. i mostly do reverse side scraping when i use my is3.
Welp, I can't watch this. Jingle's early opinions on this tank make me cry. The Black prince is my most favorite tier 7 heavy. I love it because it taught me weak spots, its hull traverse is magical as well as it's side armor when angled and the only real weakness to this tank is the T29.
This has to be the worst tank in the game for its tier.
dw2
The AMX 40 is amazing at it's tier. Above it's tier it sucks however. The BP is in no WAY the worst tank in it's tier when tanks like the DW2, the Lee, and the M5 Stuart exist. The BP is great when angled right. If you dont angle it, then it's like driving the T29 out in the open. Insta-death.
Collin Warren I mastered the M3 Lee, and it is a very remarkable tank. It just has this weakness for a slightly sluggish and weakly armored horrendous mosh of a tank...BUT ITS GUN!... I call it the ejaculator myself. Very painful penetration and RoF with the right skills and equipment, and very hard to circle for a few light tanks it may face.
EmceeDoctorB Lee is absolutely fine
The Black Prince has the best armour for its tier.
About the 77mm Gun having a 76mm caliber:
The 77mm Gun was basically a modified version of the 17 Pounder gun,thus firing the same caliber,76mm Shells.However the shells were not interchangeable between this and the 17 Pounder gun,thus to avoid confusion,they renamed this gun 77mm.
3 quick comments on this review (good job btw Jingles).
1) I didn't mind the 77mm gun too much. If you are top tier, then it is still good. Not top tier? Then problems. It isn't the worst stock gun out there though.
2) I carried a small supply of apcr ammo on by BP, but I think the number of rounds of it I used can be counted on 1 hand
3) Unlike the previous churchill tanks, the BP actually gets some gun depression (8 degrees if memory serves). So, you can actually find positions to go hull down in and bounce loads of shots on your awesome turret. This gun depression makes the tank feel a lot more comfortable than it's forebears.
If you look at the actual gun it's actually labeled as a 77mm gun but it's a 76mm bore. If I recall correctly the gun was actually a modified 17 pounder and the mislabeling was done to insure ammo wasn't mixed
Thankfully I went through the British medium line first, so I already had the 17 pounder unlocked, and didn't have to use the 77mm on the Black Prince. I wasn't expecting to like this tank very much, but it's so tough. I love it.
The 77mm gun was the gun used on the Comet tank. It's basically a 17 lber with a shorter breach.
Since it had a shorter breach, it could not fire the same projectiles as the normal 76.2mm 17lber, so they changed the name to 77mm so as not to confuse ammunition types.
The gun name is correct. These reviews are supposed to be educational Jingles! The 77mm gun is almost common knowledge for a WWII weapon's enthusiast!
as of the last replay, I'm thinking, that the tiger in the cap, moved up, not to shoot at the T29 in particular, but to save the black prince, hoping that the black prince living could ensure them to win the fight against the T29 and lizu's black prince
as it happens, potential rockstar move, but the one he was trying to help was just as bad anyway so it just ended up in him throwing his HP away
The 77mm/76mm-discrepancy stems from a need to tell ammo types apart.
The "77"mm shell was shorter than the "normal" 76,2mm shell and thus could not be used in different guns. And in order to reduce the risk of errors the ordnanc office (or whatever the approriate authority in UK was called at the time) simply gave it a special name.
The Comet's gun was called a 77mm gun for logistical reasons. It was in fact a 76.2mm gun, but to make sure that the ammunition was not confused as being able to be fired from the 17 Pounder (which it wasn't) they called it a 77mm.
The British used the 17pdr, 3 inch Howitzer, 3 inch Anti-tank gun, 76mm M1 all of which were 76.2mm weapons. Hence the a new 76.2mm would lead to confusion of the non-compatible ammunition considering they had run out of names. Hence it was designated 77mm
The caliber of the 17pdr gun is actually 76.2mm. The 77mm gun is literally just a 17pdr with a shortened breach and barrel to allow it to fit into British tank turrets, such as the Comet, as they had very limited space inside. Both guns were 76.2mm and fired the same projectiles but they used different cartridge cases, therefore their ammunition was not interchangeable. So to avoid confusion over the ammunition, the short 17pdr was renamed the "77mm HV". They chose 77mm as there was already 76mm guns in service at the time.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_17-pounder
really good and informative video jingles, i would really like to see you make use of the tank inspector in all of your tank reviews/info vids,, really does help especially to ppl new to the game as people with multiple tier 7's will have a big advantage over somebody grinding their first. i think these videos would help in terms of making matches more fun and competetive by giving good information on enemy armour to even less experienced players. keep up the good work
One point you missed on the Black Prince. It slow speed make it a great support tanks. follow in slow behind(as if you have to drive slow) some tanks on your team. And keep moving up and firing on the move you can push a line up an in to the other team before they can stop you. The BP is a skill base tank that need to be played right but it one of the tier 7 heavy I still have I like it so much.
The Vickers 77mm Gun is a 76.2 mm gun fires the 17Pdr shell powered by the old QF 3 inch 20 cwt cartridge( that was shorter and easier to fit into a tank) with a slightly reduced barrel length barrel from the 17Pdr. So says good old Ian V. Hogg. It was the British Ordinance Department that called it a 77mm to prevent issues getting the wrong Ammunition. World of Tanks has the name correct
the reason the OQF 77mm has a calibre of 76mm is because it fires 17 pounder projectile but with a 3 inch cartridge case. this ammunition was fired from a shortened 17 pounder barrel with a shortened breach due to the fact the massive breach of a 17 pounder would no allow it to be mounted in the comet. because the cartridge was was an AA cartridge and the dimensions of it were different it could not be used in the 76.2mm 17 pounder. therefore they named the ammunition 77mm HV to prevent confusion and to prevent the ammo types being used in the wrong guns. the gun was named the OQF 77mm because of this, while still being a 76.2mm calibre gun firing the 76.2mm projectile
The British themselves labeled the gun the 77mm as it was based in the 17pdr with a shortened barrel but firing ammunition derived from a 3 inch anti-aircraft gun and non interchangeable with the 17pdr ammo so to avoid confusion they used the 77mm designation
I know I said as much for the 360 version when I was rolling the Black Prince.
Course you don't mention the Prince also has abysmal depression. The armor gives you the idea that it likes fighting hull down, but anything at all propping the front end up and you couldn't hit a mountain right in front of you. It's a flat land beast if I ever saw one.
If you're a lower tier tank fighting the Prince, they're an indomitable monster, but once you're in it and fighting higher tiers you're screwed most of the time.
Open maps are plague, catch a T-29 in the hull down and even if you're hull down as well they'll take you.
I remember loving this tank. Only tanks at tier 7 that ever gave me any issue were T29s and other Black Princes, the latter mostly because it became a plink fight to see who could hit which weak points first.
I got this tank 4 days ago, and it becomes my favorite tier 7 heavy. The reason is the top gun coupled with dead aim perk. Blowing the tracks of the opposition and force him to trade shots with its quick firing gun. Together with a good frontal armour. Yeah.. it is a "tank".
the videos of the planes are great but the video added with your commentary really makes these videos ....I am not a huge fan of the WOT/WT videos but I am a huge fan of your museum visits......I feel like I am in the museum with you getting a tour ...just awesome Jingles;....can not wait for the next videos
Hi Jingles,I meant to comment on this ages ago, but forgot ... wargaming *aren't* to blame for the confusion of the names on the guns, it's actually the Army. See, there was already a 76mm gun in existence, but that and the new 76mm gun they were developing couldn't share ammunition. As such, it was decided to call the new 76mm gun a 77mm so that all of the ammo would get marked differently and not end up in the wrong gun.
Jingles, I enquired about the 77/76mm thing on the WoT forums and was told it was called the 77mm gun to avoid confusion with the American guns and the 17-pounder.
Calibre of the "de-tuned" 17pdr was 76mm but was termed 77mm to avoid confusion with the array of 17pdr and 76mm guns in service
FYI the 3" mortar calibre
Was 81mm.
Even when you're purely angling, the BP is extremely effective at taking shots. I had a match where my BP held off 3 tanks alone at A2 on El Halluf.
I sent that replay to Jingles, but he didn't show that in this video, I guess it wasn't good enough, but bouncing KV-2's shot is rare.
The 77mm gun was actually 76.2mm, but was called the 77mm to avoid confusing it with the American 76mm , It was originally 76mm as well, but was enlarged to 76.2 so it could use the 17 pounder she'll. NOTE the 17 pounder used a larger round , the 77mm was less powerful.
"And that folks is why the Black Prince is the undisputed king of sidescraping and angling. And it will fight anybody who says different. As long as, you know, the fight's on a city map." - The Mighty Jingles.
¤throws glove at Jingles¤
Meet me in my KV-4, any day.
Jingles it is called the OQF 77mm because the British army thought of that. The problem was that the gun fires the same shells as the 17 pounder but with a less powerful propellant charge. To keep troops from using the wrong munition in the field this gun was called the OQF 77mm.
Ahoy Jingles, the 77HV designation on a 76mm gun was to avoid confusion (lolz). The Brits already had the 17 pounder, as well as the American 76mm high velocity guns. So, they kept the 76mm calibre, but changed the designation to 77HV. There... doesn't that feel better? Cheers from a fellow logophile.
The 77mm was a 76mm gun, but it was called the 77mm for logistic resons as not to get ammo mixed up with other 76mm guns. And that is the sort story behind it
4:00 The reason for this was that the gun barrel was 76.2mm in diameter, but it was nicknamed and later designated the QQF 77mm gun
I just unlocked and bought the Black Prince tonight. I'm looking forward to playing it
Definitely one of my favorites, liked it from the start, when I was completely stock and got a mastery on himmelsdorf, five masteries and 100 games later it is a tank i will not be parting with anytime soon.
I do have a few remarks,
1 the hull rotation is allot better than the stats say, mostly because of its great terrain resistance, it is very difficult to circle a BP.
2 it is simple how to buff the BP, just increase its rof, then it could have a hight enough dpm to be noticed.
Great to See a Fellow fan!! O7
Hello Jingles from the future! I'm still watching these old videos! Maaan this game looks old....
For me the best thing about moving from Churchills into Black Prince was having a vertical gun arc worth a damn again, and the ~50% better hp/ton ratio.
The SU 122-44 most likely used an HE shell which experienced players tend to do on tough targets such as the Black Prince, T-29, T-34, etc. as it guarantees at least an internal module damage or crew casaulty if the target doesn't have a spall liner.
I managed an ammo rack on the side of a 100% health Tiger.I. using a 122 HE hit from 100 metres with an SU 122-44 once.
The calibre of the 77mm was 76.2mm. It is actually historically correct, as I believe they decided to call it a 77mm to distinguish it from the 17 pounder. The 77mm was a slightly modified 17 pounder (also 76.2mm) that fit the comet turret, with slightly more compact shell casing and slightly inferior performance to the 17 pounder.
the QF 77mm is the tank version of the 17 pounder antitank gun and that is what the Black Prince was equipped with.
The gun has the caliber of 77mm. But like all British guns at that time, it used subcaliber rounds for higher penetration and velocity! That's why the 17 pdr. was so effective. So the gun has the caliber of 77mm but the shell the caliber of 76mm.
The 77mm gun is actually a 76.2mm (3inch) gun. It was named the 77mm to differentiate it from the American 76mm gun as they used different ammo to help avoid confusion.
It is true honour that you have picked my game in a review Mr. Jingles :3
I think Wargaming may have got the gun naming correct, the confusion is on the part of the real things. There are quite a few versions, but main 2 versions of the 17pdr, normal version (Centurion, Black prince, TOG2) and slightly lighter/shorter version for the Comet. Both are Same 3 inch calibre (76.2mm), but that rounded up in the official Calibre of 77mm in the official nomenclature.
Stock guns - 17pdr ordnance Quick Firing
Comet gun - 77mm Ordnance quick firing mk2
Not to be confused with the American Forces 76mm M1 Anti tank gun. Which was also a good gun, not so quite a good penetration, but simpler and much faster firing. I think the Brits still preferred the 17pdr and would swap them if possible. As in the Wolverine tank destroyer to make the Achilles.
Kev
As for the Hummel driver..... I've done it myself once although not that badly. I thought I'd fired up my Nashorn and got myself a nice position behind cover and unpacked my picnic hamper ready for an afternoons grouse shooting when I realised....Doh!
Thanks for the review Jingles. I'm on the Churchill 7 right now and working my way to this tank.
I got this tank two weeks ago. If you like driving the Churchills, you will LOVE driving the Black Prince. Three Days ago i played in a Platoon with a SU152. I stood in front and hit the tracks of the enemies, my fried fired with his 700dmg gun. At the and i had 4340 Damage blocked by armor and 2 kills and my ally had 5 Kills "over my shoulder".
You can even kill some Tier VIII or Tier IX tanks if you play carefully. But you have to be very carefully if there is Artillery in the game. Most time you will be the favorite target.
The Black Prince and the Matilda are my two favorite tanks in this game.
(excuse my english, it is not my mother's tongue)
Andreas Röger Nice. The Churchills have fairly accurate guns and I like how you can shoot on the move, but the lack of mobility is gonna take some getting used to.
straswa Even with the Black Prince you have a lack of mobility. My suggestion: Don't get rounded. Always look at the map and be sure that there is an ally or two beside you.
If i play in a platoon with my friends, i am much more effective with my Black Prince.
Andreas Röger thx, I'll keep that in mind.
straswa u should play with me i just got the black prince
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It's called the 77mm to differentiate it from the 76mm 17 pounder, and the other 76mm shells (which was actually a very common size because it's an even three inches,) to make it easier for logistics troops when ordering supplies. You can blame that one on the English, not WGing. =D
I absolutely loved my Black Prince. 90 games, 68% winrate. It doesnt have the weakspots of two churchils and the gun is quite good, the whole thing sidescrapes well. By far my most succesful tier VII HT.
The OQF 77mm is a 76,2mm gun but it was named 77mm in order to prevent confusion over ammunition supply since this gun is a 17pdr but it is not compatible with normal 17pdr ammunition. So that is an annoyance that you will have to direct at the war office instead of Wargaming. :P
It was called to 77mm HV instead of a 76mm so the gun would not be confused with the 17pdr since it was a shorter version of the 17pdr and used different, smaller ammunition that is not compatible with the 17pdr.
Nice to watch the old replays
Yea
Jingles, the 77mm/76mm thing is actually correct. The name of the gun historically was the 77mm but the genuine gun was only 76mm in size. The reason was that the 17-Pounder also fires 76mm ammo but was incompatible with the Comet's (77) gun. So they had the Comet's 77mm gun named as such to avoid confusion.
As it appears in game, it is historically correct. A rare case of WG getting it right for once! It fooled me too for months until Listy clued me in on the reality of it all.
I need to agree with almost what did you say about BP. Its worst T7 HT and some of T6 tanks are better in some aspects from BP.
And also if you didn't research medium line of British tanks its very slow process to open all parts of BP
The "77mm gun" was actually named that to avoid confusion with the US-supplied 76mm M1 gun, as the ammo was incompatible.
the fact that the 77mm is listed as being 76mm in calibre is actually correct and not a WG derp.
The 77mm was developed based off of the 17 pounder for the Comet cruiser tank because the 17 pounder had too long of a recoil travel and as such couldn't fit into the Comet's turret, so they redesigned parts of the 17 pounder (such as shortening the barrel) and redesigned the shell cartridge to be smaller so as to reduce recoil (but with a loss of penetration capability). The shell itself however remained the same as the 17 pounder's, which was a 76mm shell, but because the cartridge was smaller the redesigned round would not function in the 17 pounder so for logistical purposes is was named the 77mm to avoid confusion and prevent 17 pounder rounds being provided for the 77mm and vice versa
(same story with the 75mm on the M4 Sherman and the 3 inch gun on the M10 wolverine, they also share a common projectile but with different cartridges)
It's not WG's fault it's called a 77mm because that's what the British called it so they didn't get it's ordinance confused with the 76mm 17 pdr it was based on
Mr Jingles you failed to mention perhaps the biggest strength of the BP. It actually gets great gun depression with a really strong turret with relatevely no weakspots at tier 7 and 8 games. You should give it a try. Anyway lovelly vid, take care mate.
The 77mm was called this way because the ammo didnt fit the standard 76.2mm 17lbs. The caliber was the same for both guns but the standard 17lbs was too big for Comet.
Never was really afraid of Black Princes. Mostly because the tanks I have at tiers 6 7 and 8 have great penetration.
Jingles the 77mm gun is accurate it was a 76mm shell that was called the 77mm to avoid mix ups with the 17pounder shells that were also 76mm's.
Tank was also plannes to have the centurion Mk1 turret but never progressed that far, would have liked to see that in game
Jingles the 77HV information is correct. irl the gun was 76mm but they were concerned there could be confusion with the 17pdr, 76mm ammunition so the gun was relabelled 77HV even though it was only really 76.
The name of the gun is the official name of the gun, however the caliber is 76.2mm
So the 76mm caliber shown is more accurate than the official name.
The stock gun is actually a 17pdr, that had its barrel and breech shortened.
I was in a tier 9 or 10 game on Ruinberg in the King Tiger and set up at E2. After taking and dishing some pain, an ally TD accidentally took out my last 100ish HP, hitting pretty much exactly where you hit the ally T34 at 23:39. I hadn't been moving for the last half-minute I think, while the ally TD had been peek-a-booing.
31:04
that one in a million shot you were talking about, I thought it was gonna be like 10x more epic with an artillery lucky shot that would take off half his health or something ridiculous like that right at the beginning of the game
Love the Black Prince, its a Churchill III for tier 7. Unfortunately unlike the Churchill III it doesn't have preferred matchmaking.
I thin I've got more Steel Walls in it than any other tank now, and I'm not even done unlocking the Caern yet.
Jingles. when you driving a tank like BP
you can press R to let the tank go forward by itself (if you to go backward,press F)
the QF 77mm was a version of the 17 ponder which was a 76mm gun. they renamed it to 77mm so as not to confuse the ammunition with the 17 pounder