Bought brand new Echo CS490 20" four years ago. Less than $400. Starts like a dream. Never owned a Stihl that was an easy start. Fresh chain, it eats through hardwood fantastic. Spark arrestor removed, runs likes banshee. My opinion is that for a 20" bar the engine is a little underpowered. I think an 18" would be great on it. For a 20" the cc's should be more. I used to own a Jonsered 52cc with 18" bar. Best saw I ever had and sold it like a dummy. For the 3 cords per year I cut, the Echo is just right for the job. My Echo straight shaft trimmer has been put through hell, and still runs like it did brand new 10 years ago.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I find I generally prefer the longer bar just for reach alone. Now, of course, if you are fully burying a longer bar on a smaller saw, that can easily be too much but I have also found that the longer chain really doesn’t slow the cutting down even in smaller wood. When you are ready for a larger ECHO 620 or 590, make sure you check you my links and discount code Oakie10 for the best price you will find on ECHO Power equipment including trimmers, blowers saws etc. Again, thanks for sharing and hope you are well
Thank you for commenting and taking the time to watch. I have been VERY happy with my ECHO stuff. I am the proud owner of all three of these saws. Ecstatic for sure!
They get the job done for sure. You can get lighter or more performance elsewhere often but that doesn’t mean they are inferior. Often they are built like a tank.
I own 5 pieces of echo equipment and have found them trouble free across all five pieces and have put a lot of hours on them especially my straight shaft multi attachments trimmer, have run Stihl and Kawasaki in the past, the echoes blow them out of the water hands down, was in landscaping and lawn maintenance for many years and all 5 pieces were used in the business and are now used on occasion in work but now more for personal with no trouble, have never been wrenched on, awesome.
@benryzebol8349 that is amazing but not shocking. Many people have the same sort of story with them. Many people really like the PAS system that ECHO/Shindaiwa has. Thank you for watching and sharing!
His attention to detail is insane! If he wants it, he will go VERY far IMO. Thank you for watching and appreciate you sharing the kind words about Dave!
I’ve always been a husqvarna guy, UNTIL I got my cs590. Echo. Now I’m an echo guy. I’ve always had echo yard equipment, for decades!! Wanted to try an echo saw, and absolutely love it. The power, dependability, even the built quality is awesome!!! I’m not a professional logger, but heat house and shop with wood. In Michigan, I process all my own timber, for heating. All good saws, but echo is go to!! Good video!!
Absolutely! Echo is hard to beat for reliability and consumer warranty. They are generally not the lightest or fastest but they are stout simple machines to rely upon!
I'm so glad I picked up a new Echo 620 before the California engine ban. I love all my Huskies and Stihls, but I have Echos from the mid 70's that start in 2 pulls still. $600 for a saw that runs like this? Fantastic. Great saws, fun comparison!
Excellent saw indeed! I gotta ask, I remember years ago (I came from CA myself) they were pushing to eliminate blowers I believe. I wanna say it had something to do with noise and air quality. I don't know if that was city or county laws or what. Then last I asked my cousin, he said they basically tried it and it didn't work so the blowers came back. Now in terms of what you are speaking of, what is the deadline for such a ban? From the way you talk about it, I assume once you have it you are grandfathered in? Thanks for sharing and watching!
@@oakiewoodsman As of January 1st of 2024, all small gasoline powered engines manufactured after January 2024 are banned from sale in California. Lawn mowers, leaf blowers, chainsaws, trimmers, etc., across the board with the exception of gas generators. Even generators will be banned above a certain displacement (like 600cc's) after 2028. Fortunately we're not banned from using tools we already have and buying parts. In my opinion this is a ridiculous law for a large number of reasons... It is really going to affect the wood burning lower income parts of Northern California, including me, my friends and family. If i had to buy an electric equivalent saw and batteries to run in the woods to cut the 8-15 cords a year I need, I would be spending $3500+. We can't afford that. Sorry to rant, haha, but you asked!
I did not realize this had already happened. Any exclusions for the logging industry? That is incredible…….. especially since CA had an abundance of Electric available 😉
@@bottwaandcaloverhow are they CA controlling Internet purchases? Sounds like an opportunity 4 some ECHO bootlegging🤑 CA having trouble supplying electric 2 all it's people(rolling blackouts) and they are switching everything 2 electric, makes total sense,🙄🤐
@@Doc-Cole_Trickle-of-Chainsaws Yes, with the blackouts and the pg&e public safety power shutoffs in fire season, they're going to ban generators in a few years! As far as shopping online, it was impossible to find sellers who would ship non CARB compliant equipment to California. I'm sure there are shadier sites out there though that won't care. I have friends in Oregon and Nevada who can help work things out though, haha.
Awesome video thanks so much for your time making it. However I still love my brushless Makita battery operated chainsaw hands down. It starts every time regardless of the temperature outside as long as I have fresh batteries. It's so nice and quiet no one has to listen to me cutting in the woods. With the exception of batteries if I have enough batteries to keep my saw going hands down I will never use another gas saw as long as I live. I definitely don't want a battery-operated pickup truck but as for the chainsaw I don't know how life could get much better than a battery-operated one with fresh charged batteries 😁 ✌️🇺🇸
I sure appreciate that! This could be one of the most controversial comments I ever receive hahaha..... not on my part but on many other peoples part. I think that if you have the stuff, the conditions are right and you have a proper understanding of what you are doing, batteries can be a great option. Many people assume a 2T setup will run forever but forget that when the gas can is empty you are not doing any work either. Thanks again. I have both and use em and love them differently!
I just bought an Echo 20” Timber Wolf, with the larger engine. I’ve used their blowers, and weed trimmers for years, and have never failed me. If they made mowers, I would get one of those too.
All the timberwolfs have the same engine I believe, even the 620 has same displacement. I have a 590 and 620, both great saws. My favorites actually. Drill a 1/2 hole in the 590 muffler in the bossed area,open up the deflector ,I even keep the spark screen . Remove carb limiters and tune. It's a noticeable improvement. Best saw for the money in my opinion. That being said I really like 620p . Runs a little better , not much. And has some more robust features .
So far, the ECHO saws have proven to be VERY good tools for reliability and the ability to trust the saw will do what I want it to do. I am certainly enjoying each and every saw I have for various reasons however. Thanks for watching!
My brother bought an Echo... He regrets that! My neighbour bought an Echo... he gave the piece of crap to me! Thinking his first Echo was a one off lemon, my Neighbour bought another Echo that he returned a week later for a full refund! I am glad you like your Echo, but in my experience they are junk.
I have one of each brand, and they are both great saws. You need to use saws with new chains and bars. The size of the bars is a huge factor. The age of the saws is also a factor. Your technique is a factor. The amount of downward pressure applied is a factor. The size of the saws is a huge factor. As you said, this was just for fun. I will say it is much easier to get service done on the Stihl.
I personally cannot rely on local shops because I am in a small town. I do have decent support if I have a small warranty type of issue but otherwise I source all of my own parts elsewhere. For example, when my 460 needed a new piston and rings, in went a good known aftermarket Meteor Piston and Caber rings. I am going to pay for Stihl OEM for a saw with the hours this one has on it. My 395XP, though there is no place to get local OEM Parts for it, it needs a bit, in particular a new clutch cover. That is be aftermarket 100% because the saw has seen production logging and I again will not spend the $ for OEM. I think that if we pick and choose what to buy local, that is excellent. I rebuilt a straight gassed Stihl recently and the saw simply would have been a junk saw had a person expected it to go back OEM. Two crank seals from STIHL were nearly $30. I put in AM seals and top end. It was a homeowner saw and simply wasn't worth it otherwise. Thanks again!
I've always been a Husqvarna fan, I have the Husky 450 Rancher and a their 322L Trimmer. A while back I was in the market for a blower and the 580BTS was near impossible to get without waiting a month. I didn't wanna wait so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a Stihl BR700 since then I've been giving Stihl a second look. That blower is my favorite i've ever had.
Excellent information! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. This is my honest opinion mostly from reasearch and a little experience. When I comes to blowers, I don't think it really matter all that much. When it comes to trimmers. I think that I prefer ECHO mostly cause they come with the excellent Speed Feed head. You can retrofit that on all the other pro trimmers, but why bother with em when the ECHO is so simple and great. I like that they do not bury the engine in plastic shrouds. After watching @Chickanic so much, she has revealed some weaknesses in the Husvarna Trimmers. Thank you again for watching and sharing!
So what i am seeing is... a "almost stock" 460 is just as good as a ported echo saw. Granted all of this cutting really has more to do with the chain grind and how sharp each chain is.
I've always found the best way to achieve fast cutting is with a sharp chain, and swap out the stock 7 tooth sprocket for an 8 tooth. A stock saw with an 8 tooth will cut faster than a ported saw with a 7. Ported cylinders and modified mufflers are probably the worst way to get more chain speed.
I've had my echo 555 since 1978. It's retired now in favor of an Oregon 120 volt electric but up until 2015 the echo was the only saw I owned. I could not even guess how many cords of wood it cut in its 37 or so years of service.
Oh man! You hadn’t seen this one buddy! My most viewed long I date. I have some others that are starting to creep up. Especially the tractor one where we compare the Kioti and TYM. Thank you sir!
Very cool! Great video and great saws! I just picked up a new MS400cm. After years of struggling with old worn out farm saws I was stunned by the usability and sheer speed! Love to try out an Echo sometime! Cutting about 20cord this winter😬
The 400C looks to be an awesome choice. I think it is good that you purchased before they reduce the displacement and remove the MG piston. Thank you for watching and make sure you check out my newest ECHO video! ua-cam.com/video/u_ljeEy2re4/v-deo.html
Man the ms460 was and still is such a good saw 1 of the best stihl made! I run a 562xp mk2 stock and its the best 60cc class out there right now id say by a fair way!! Good stuff bro subbed 🇬🇧🤝🇺🇸
Hey, thanks for watching and commenting! We do all sorts of stuff and there is an update to this video. ua-cam.com/video/9Qn4GIUL7jw/v-deo.htmlsi=v4fpMV5cQIdlKwjc My 562XP is a fantastic saw, especially since it got the SFP muffler on it! Thanks again and would love to see ya around.
I love the sound of a chain saw at full boogie going through a large log. I don't care which one of those comes out on top, I've owned Poulan, Homelite, McCulloch, Husqvarna and Stihl saws over the years and I'll never have anything else than a Stihl now. I might have to look into one of those mufflers for my MS271.
Nice splitter lol, my stepdad has an old splitfire and it still runs like a champ. split fire sends wood chippers and stuff to my work to get powdercoated.
Awesome indeed! I love the Split Fire chippers. They look like a cool design. The finish ought to hold up quite a bit better as they are powder coated. Thank you for watching and appreciate the comment! I assume you are up in CA? Thanks again
@oakiewoodsman ya it should be alot more durable then regular paint. yup southern Ontario canada!. They actually dropped off another run of chippers today as I was leaving work. Usually send us all the individual parts needed to build 5 chippers per order. We powder coat them fire engine red and send them back for assembly. They send us another 5 raw a few days later. We do the gas chippers, pto chippers, and 3 point dump buckets, we just don't do the splitters. Not yet anyway, maybe one day we will gain that as well.
I'd love to see a sound level comparison done as well. Too many equate loud pipes with better performance. Personally I'd like a saw that rips into it and the sound doesn't rattle your teeth.
@@w8stralyes they do rob power. Or have little to no change. Unless you fab up an expansion pipe. They work, but then the ergonomics make the saw useless for real work.
Thanks for watching. No matter what I do and how the test is conducted, someone will mention some other variable or condition. The main focus of the day was the ECHO saw and I just brought along these other saws. Interesting to note that the tests came out differently with some of the same chains etc in a different type of wood in a later test. I think we can conclude that all of the saws are actually quite close and it depends on the situation. Do you agree? None of them will “smoke” the other.
@@oakiewoodsman if your point is that there isn't much difference then I agree. But, and it's a big one, the small differences are exactly what stands them apart from each other. These companies have created saws at the best possible performance, perfected over decades of research and cut throat competition. They live and die in the tiny variances that set them apart. Your methods of comparison will never reach a meaningful measurement of these tiny differences, and therefore hold little to no value in comparison.
@@dugderg5249 except it helps people understand the diminishing return past a certain point. I just think it is fun but far too many people take personal ownership in “their brand”
@@oakiewoodsman agreed, but then why waste time with pointless testing to show there's no significant difference? You won't change anyone's mind, and it makes you look like you actually think your methods have validity.
I grew up cutting timber, logging, etc, and went through many different makes of chainsaws and won many chainsaw-cutting contests two things are most important #1 knowing how to file the chain to get the most out of it, #2 using your dogs to hook into the log to get a large bite and add more power to weight ratio. I see you just hanging the blade trying to use only the weight of the saw, this is not how you make fast work, so use your dogs and dig in and apply more force on the blade! Got it? filing the chain is an art you need to learn.
Thanks for watching. If you were to watch my other video where we did 5 ECHO 620 saws back to back you would find that my hand filed 28" full comp beat the new 24 full comp pictured in this video. I hear what you are saying. Also, I have measured as well as many other people have measured and shown that dogging in is slower than having a chain that self feeds nicely. If you notice, the race saws go down up down with no dogs for a reason. I do lay on the dogs however when I am in big wood, my chain is getting less than optimal and it makes sense. Each of these saws have much different pivot points so a test like that would be impossible. The dogs are just one tool in the shed and not the only way to go. Thanks for sharing and appreciate the comment.
Amen brother from the Canadian west coast rainforest. The dogs are there for a reason. The Husqvarna 2130 and the old 2100 are my saw of choice. 120 cc engine. Need to use the leverage the dogs provide to use a saw to its potential.
30 years or residential tree work and storm recovery have shown me: Echo- heavy n low power. Huski- high power but no grit, dont last. Stihl-good power and durable. Also, small huski's used to climb n cut, wont stay running when hung off your belt, and then when they go dead they're hard to crank. Stihl's stay running.
Yeah Stihl used to be a better choice for durability back when they had the rubber mounts. Way better to learn on because you could pull on them without destroying mounts. Now that they're spring mounted like the Huskies, it's an even playing field.
Seems like much is riding on reputation rather than actual usage now days. I am not saying the news aren’t any good but many claim Stihl is the best because of the 044 and 046. Just happened the other day. I was cutting some firewood and an old-time logger rolled up and said why don’t you buy something good? I said I do have something good. He said no they ain’t. I was cutting with an echo at the moment. I’ve then proceeded to tell him I had an MS 460 sitting on the bench at the house and I loved that saw too. He had two 500i in the back of his truck and started talking about how much you dislike them 🤣 I’ll tell you what, I wouldn’t mind having one or both of them!
You might want to look a the Jonsered Saw. This saw will out do the other three any day. I used one for many years. No one hears about that say much here in the states.
@@oakiewoodsman Hi again, My husband got his when we were living in Maine and there are still some dealers selling Jonsered saws. We have not had to look into getting one for a number of years and now they are hard to find. They are still made in Sweden.
@pattysakowich5828 Jonsered is unfortunately gone just like Dolmar, Makita and McCulloch. The real ones at least. You can get a Husqvarna and we offer a great discount on them and on ECHO Saws.
Great saw and Dave did a fantastic job. My most recent video is me actually putting a new ported cylinder on a new saw. Just came out today. Thank you again!
I have had all three. Which one do I still own? Why that would be the Stihl. I have a Stihl FS 76 brush/weed trimmer since 1994 and it still does the job today. It has an incredible amount of hours on it. Change sparks and keep the air filters clean. Same goes for the chainsaws. One other thing. If the saws are not running the same make chains, your testing is somewhat redundant.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! Your opinions are valued here and I am a believer in all three of the big brands. Kinda hard to not recognize each and everyone of their strengths and weaknesses.
When i was a kid we cut short sticks with a one man crosscut and a sawbuck for grandma’s cookstove about 8-10” to put in the side and oven fireboxes. What do you use these 2-4 “ thick rounds in?
The short is no. The long is that my hand file beat the new chains on the ECHO 620. New chains were 24. Hand filed was 28”. Sorry, I get this question all of the time. Thanks for watching
Thank you Brian. Kinda was surprised. As you well know, different wood diameter and different species along with different raker heights could alter the whole test. This hackberry is relatively soft and cuts nicely.
Take care of your saw fuel and filters and maintenance and they are all good, in fact most saws will be good cutters. the key is knowing how to sharpen your chain to perfection.
One of my last disaster relief missions was to Puerto Rico in 2017. MS-461 with a 25” bar worked surprisingly well even in the Iron Wood that was down over power lines and roads. I also prefer Sthils start/lever system over Husky. The newer MKII variants in the Husky line seem to be pretty good. Waiting for a 572 MKII to try! In the meantime, my MS-500i with a bark box and 28” light bar is great for the weight!!
After talking with Storm Crews with LOTS of experience, there is a reason why the 044 and 046 got the reputation they did. Guys are rough on stuff and conditions are less than optimal. They just kept working and working from what I have heard. At the same time, the 500i is a delight to use but certainly not a saw to pull on or abuse. I was also talking to a big contract ROW company and he was saying they had purchased a big lot of ECHO stuff to put in the field and so far it was going well in terms of reliability. You have a VERY nice setup and I think it would be worth waiting on the Mkii 572 myself. It seems as if Husqvarna makes good improvements after the time. Thanks for watching and appreciate you being here!
@@oakiewoodsman yes the 500 has some issues to tackle right out of the box for sure. As I get older the power to weight makes a bigger difference than I’d like to admit. These days I’m retired, so the 500 is a great fell, limb, buck all in one with a 28” bar. Made sure to snag a 461 NOS for a good deal right when they went out of production. My MS-261 with a muffler mod is probably my most used saw however. After storms and what not, helping neighbors or doing a little fire wood or wood for a smoker. My 881 hasn’t really gotten any use since I moved to Oklahoma, haven’t needed the power, mostly smaller trees, and the weight will get to you after awhile.
I sure understand what you mean. I am not a person that desires or pretends to be tough enough sling a 70+ cc saw around for every little task. A saw like a 261 is an awesome tool and I have recommended a 50CC pro so like the 545/550 or the 261 to many ppl because in reality, they can do much of what most people need to do including myself. I just have an addiction hahaha. We also try to get out and help as a family with storm damage. Hope to do some more in the future. I sure appreciate you being here and please, share your knowledge because I am just an enthusiast that takes time to film and edit my findings. I love this stuff!
@@oakiewoodsman the 550 MKII is a great saw. Definitely up to the task. The 261’s controls are more to my liking but, as I said if the 550 MKII fits you better it is in the same class and highly reliable.
When I purchased my 545, I was heavily looking into the 261 stihl. Honestly, what swayed me was the sound and the ease of top cover removal. I just liked the design of the 545/550. I really want to add some more modern STIHL saws to the stable. Specifically. the 261, 400C, 462C or the 500i. I am not a 661 fan.
I would read the comments below. It has been answered numerous times. Simply no. Some ppl argue hand filed is faster.... and I have the echo with a 24" new chain get beat by my 28" hand file on the same saw. That is seen in the ECHO 620P vide comparison. Thanks for watching.
Hey, that is sure one way of looking at it. It really depends on feel at that point doesn't it? Or maybe price? Where would the deciding factor be for you?
@@oakiewoodsman assuming all three are the same tier, and similar performance, the deciding factor is parts availability and look up. I have worked on all three brands. I have a hard time looking up Stihl. I can not seem to find a good US site, so I guess it is dealer proprietary. That pisses me off. I can easily look up Echo and Husqvarna. I have easy access to dealers for all three where I live. Husqvarna has been screwing up there parts availability for outdoor power equipment the last few years. That's no good. I guess they are going woke with electrical and abandoning gas powered equipment. I am not aware of any such problems with them. Echo is easy to look up and I have not encountered parts availability issues. That leaves Echo as my choice for my next chainsaw.
@1anthonybrowning Echo is a great place to land for sure. Do you have a particular model you are looking for? My 620P has been very good and I have encountered one failure in ownership. The oiler went out and was covered under warranty. Out of all of my ECHO OPE, that is the only failure I have had. Very happy with it. Yes, Husqvarna has had a parts distribution issue for a few years. It seems they can produce equipment but have a hard time getting critical parts out at times. Thanks!
@@oakiewoodsman I’d like to stay away from entry level 2-cycle of anything. I’m a homeowner in a subdivision. I rarely have tree work to do anymore. I was looking at the CS-4010, that should be more than enough for what I need. Anything bigger would be a waste of money for me. A step down from 18” to 16” May fit my needs better. Things to think about…
if you are looking for a good deal on ECHO stuff, have you considered buying through Saw Supliers? here is a link www.sawsuppliers.com/products/echo-cs-4510-18-chain-saw-18-bar-chain?sca_ref=6288220.ULyQjXMn0x Plus if you use discount code oakie10, you will save more money and get free shipping. Make sure you check out the various bar options or powerhead only options if you already have suitable bars! Cannot be beat in price, pretty sure. Thanks again!
My echo taught me that chain's make a huge difference. Echo seems to have more tq and cuts better with a skip tooth then putting the kick back into the wood and letting her go
@@oakiewoodsman as a ignorant amateur that bought it off a tree company. I'm happy with it lol. Now have a 16 inch echo. A 14 inch atlas and a handle 6 inch off Amazon. They all have their uses
Well that is interesting! Again a lot of variables, if you went out next week and did all the same tests the results may be different. But that is how testing goes! They are tools/toys and in reality 99% of people cant notice a 1 second difference in a 20 second cut in real life so they should all be just fine to work with.
Where the 460 (and 461's) shines is with a long bar in big wood. Rocking back and forth just proved my theory that all that extra farting around makes them actually cut slower versus just having them cut flat/horizontally. The 460 and 461 are 76.45 cc's and so I didn't expect them to be faster in that size of wood. They are well known to be ideal with a 24" to 32" bar and lugging through a big log or felling a big tree thanks to their torque. 562 is a good short bar saw blasting through smaller wood 20" and less. 590/600/620 are small bore/long stroke torque saws good for a longer bar than most 60 cc saws. It would be even faster than the 562 in big wood with a long bar...20"-28", although ported 562's are good with a 28" too, they are better suited for 20" and 24" bars. All of this would be in hardwoods like oak and Black Walnut. In the Illinois, Iowa, Southwest Wisconsin area that I'm in, the tri-state area, it's best known for Black Walnut logging in particular. For example, on just one hillside on our 234 acre farm my dad and a logger friend pulled 10 semi truck loads of Black Walnut when I was a kid in the early 1980's that all went to Paris, France for furniture making.
I grew up there in family tree services started at age 15 fulltime..done alot clearing but not logger ..arborist of about 30 years ..got out of production for about 6 but still did trees ..today's world is much different..and far beyond lazy ..there's no mentorship and or respect for elders and no earning there way up..the country was built by hard LABOR PHYSICAL LABOR AND SKILLED LABOR..with trusting in the lord Jesus christ...heartbreaking to see two thirds of America deceived by evolution and these schools and governments that poison and indoctrinate are youth..it's beyond recovery..2 things I miss up there Flatt ground and it's nice a cold ❄..cold weather is always better than hot..when you work outdoors 12hr a day it's not debate ..being Yankees we know you just add a layer or strip a layer of clothes..you cannot cool off ..God bless
@@oakiewoodsman that was just on one hillside in the woods that was pasture land for the cows. There was other hillsides and a lot more woods than just that on the farm. That was probably 20-30% of our woods I'm guessing.
Men and their saws. I was at our local lumber mill to cut up scrap for firewood. I have a Stihl 391, 64cc, 4.5hp stock, 25'' bar - but I sharpen my own chains a special way (not only sharp but shaped a certain way). I was just ripping through 24'' logs with chips flying. The lumber jacks noticed me and felt intimidated, so a kid pulls out another Stihl probably a MS661 with 5' bar and starts it up revving it up - I was WTF? so I start revving my saw. LOL, what a pissing contest - I think the kid won that round. Hilarious!
John Deere 70v...was slow but would outlast all ya saws...daddy had one for over 20s....no issues, firewood ever winter for years... they had an echo engine😊
Probably not. The echo had brand new chain on it. That was a 24 inch bar. But if you want to start wondering where the discrepancy is in the video previous to this I show my hand filed 28 beat the brand new chain 24. So, the 460 and 562 had hand filed chains
Jake, I am interested to see if this is the case. More testing coming! This saw should still have back pressure because the baffle is still in there. Does that change your perception?
@@oakiewoodsman Just has been my experience trying different muffler set ups on my 461s,I run the Chinese mufflers so they have no baffle but I only use side ports after many cuts buried in hardwoods with only ever 20inch bars full comp chisel chain 3/8 063 the side ports definitely give more low down grunt but yes cut a little slower in the smaller Timbers if that makes sense
I agree echo is a awesome saw very well made and reliable. Stihl well the fuel caps separate after a while and are hard to get locked shut plus I don't know what Stihls warranty is now but it used to be 2 years and that was only if you bought a six pack of there gas mix. I like husky's they are a good saw. Sorry if I upset any Stihl owners but I'm just not a fan of Stihl.
I had a Stihl 015 for just shy of 24 years and I worked it hard. Replaced with a Stihl 250. Hate the starting crap but it works if you follow their advice. This one is 10+ years. Cost, yep I agree, overpriced but they last so evens out.
All these front ported mufflers do not allow the saw to create more torque they just allow the saw to rev up quicker and flow better all throughout but you will loose some bottom end power compared to just a bit bigger than stock side only ports
I worked at a Ace Hardware and worked on Stihls all the time, they suck to start. Like all saws inhad to tell everyone how not to flood their saws because people are not to smart. I despise the MS250. But when they are dialed in they are monster cutters. But i personally own Echo and Shindaiwa saws and edgers. I haw a Shindaiwa weed eater that is 18 years old and still runs like a champ.
The builder of this 620pw and I have collaborated on another 620P. I have built it and run it and the video will be coming out in a short bit in the next week or so. I also have started running my new 7310 as well! That saw has a porter lined up as well and I cannot wait for that to happen. Thank you for watching!
I did too. Have you seen the ECHO Comparison video, the first one in the series. Believe it or not, my 28" with my questionable hand file beat the 24" NIB chain on the same saw. Very interesting stuff!
@@oakiewoodsman I didn't see that one but I am aware of how good the Echo 590 and 620 are. A friend of mine has both and I don't think he has ever cleaned the aircleaners on them. They run pretty darn good.
I will say that I have to pick the 1 with the most power vs. weight ratio unless I have to spend more money on both the saw and purchase a tank of fuel every 10 minutes. We needa video of how much wood you can actually cut with those 3 saws in 30 minutes.
I have heard they are very good. The law of diminishing returns is certainly applicable here. The 500i is pretty cool and very light and does neat stuff but..... it a tad pricey and fragile. Hard to strike a balance between size, weight and power for sure. Thank you for watching and commenting!
They all make great saws. I have only had Stihl and Echo. Now I have a Echo 590 Timber Wolf. My biggest complaint with Stihl is that they were always hard to start. I have thrown away two Stihl weed eaters after several trips to the repair shops and still dislocating my shoulder with 20-30 pulls. Everything I have now is Echo and for theses reasons. They have always started on the first or second pull. They are reliable and can perform just as well against comparable competition and they cost way less. I refuse to own a saw/weed eater that by the time I get it started I'm already tired.
Thank you for sharing! The 590 is a great tool for sure and covers many peoples needs. My STIHL MS460 is one of the best starting saws I have ever had. Not sure why some models seems to be more problematic. I once had an MS250 at work that was brand new and it was rough starting. It went back and it came back still bad.
I blame that more on the shop than the equipment. Husky, Stihl and echo should all start within a few pulls if tuned correctly and you use the purge primers. My fs 56 primed 8-10 times set choke and 1-2 pulls its running.
@@christopherlehman4045 I can see your point however, In my 55 years of life I have a ton of experience with power equipment starting at a very young age. I tell people that I was a professional lumberjack by the age of 5 from living on a 60 acre farm that when you were not taking care of the horses and cows you were mowing 16 acre of grass. Weed eating around a 3 acre lake and around fence post of a fenced in 10 acre pasture. On top of that, my dad was a superintendent at an oilfield trucking company where he would take two Mack trucks with 40' trailers loaded with a Cat 955 and a off road forklift into the woods. The Cat would push over trees and along with 4 or 5 of dad's friends we would process the trees to fit on the trailers with the forklift. These tree limbs and trunks were then loaded on the trucks and brought to our farm where we kept a fairly steady flow of about 3 acre of wood for splitting and stacking to season. We have used several brands but Echo always stood out as the easiest equipment to start and by the second year all the men had bought Echo saws. They are just as good, way cheaper and a 5 year warranty. Why buy anything else. Also, I have used other peoples Stihls and most all of them were hard to start. I just want something to work when I need to work.
@SteveShelton-hh4xt just for me to chime in here..... my best starting saws are my ECHO CS-310, STIHL MS460 and Husqvarna 545. Pretty much never deviate from what you anticipate. My 620 and 562XP both suffer from periodic extra pull syndrome. Just depends on the day it seems. My 562XP has improved dramatically now that it has been modified. Far more reliable than stock.
I have a 2 chainsaws, a weed eater, leaf blower, hedge trimmer and string trimmer, all Stihl. Mostly pro level equipment. Never had trouble starting any of them, ever. Even after sitting a year. I use premium gas and Stihl oil which I believe has a fuel stabilizer in it. Do you use the right technique? ( choke/pull once or twice, release choke, pull again and don't touch the throttle. They usually start immediately.
For over 40 years I've been using my Sthil 041 Farmboss to cut my yearly cord wood. 2 years ago I decided to buy a new chainsaw, a Husqvarna 460 Rancher. That was a mistake!! My Sthil 041 beats that Husqvarna 460 all to hell. Even though the 041 has less cc's, it has way more rpm's. It simply eats the wood. I still use the Sthil 041 and only bring the Husqvarna as a back up. I'm very disappointed in that chainsaw.
Thanks for sharing! Can I ask what made you pick the plastic saw over something like the 545? The rancher series is much like the new farm boss saws. None of them are very exciting. They will get the job done but practically are just a homeowner saw branded something else. Thank you for watching and glad your 041 has served you well. Be safe!
It was the way you have started to cut. Echo was choking with shavings, throwing shavings to the front of the chain. #2 you never keep saw is steady position, you always play it through the wood so it can clean and bite fibers ,but that's my amateur opinion..
The biggest problem with comparing auto tune to not auto tuned is the unfair advantages in the chain speed differences. The 562's are screamers and run best after doing a tuning cut and running high octane fuel.
Thanks for sharing. I am strongly against the "field reset every time the weather changes" and the reason is, if that is a must, the technology needs to be improved significantly more. I do however find that the saw adapts relatively quickly and it really doesn't take long! Love the AutoTune! Prior. All the saws were played around with prior to the test cuts. Thank you for watching and sharing!
@@BertsCustomCuts just digging 4 facts here B not trying 2 be a 🍆. From my understanding, the high octane is less volatile therefore causing a slower burn which is only needed in high compression situations 2 prevent the fuel from self igniting. If high octane isn't necessary, the lower octane, higher volatility fuel should create a quicker more efficient burning of the fuel, less flame shooting into the muffler that's caused by the slower burning higher octane fuel, especially at high RPM. This is just my thinking/understanding B. Seems the slower burn would create a longer interval of flame in the cylinder/muffler, creating more heat transfer/build-up vs a quicker more complete burn of the fuel, less flame going into the muffler more of just spent exhaust fumes. Again IDK just pondering.
If you take care of your equipment and learn your models quirks (more or less priming) they are all three great saws. I will say Husqvarna seems have to went the cheaper route on parts, Echo's are such great value, but there is only one saw that has a massively supplied accessories and equipment market. The professionals use them for a reason. That said, the up front cost is higher for Stihl, but after you have to replace anything on them over the years they start paying you back.
Thanks for sharing your take on the 3 brands! You are 100% right about learning each machine. That goes for the starting procedure along with the operation as well as even chain profile and raker depth. Thanks much and appreciate the time’
They just developed a brand new 562XP. How do you say they are going all electric? Every company does indeed have a product line in battery because it makes business sense for them to do. Also, the average consumer really likes the battery OPE. While, I cannot argue against buying and excellent ECHO piece of equipment, understand they they too have an extensive and growing battery lineup as well. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thanks for watching. I enjoy running weird combinations because sometime people think that a larger cc saw is always going to be faster but I do Believe a good quick 50cc can produce more work in certain circumstances.
It has been my experience that if the chain is loosening like that, there is either a problem with a lack of oil or possible dull chain. Both create heat and therefore stretch or wear. If it is not either of those, maybe your bar nuts are not able to be tightened?
No surprise here, been using Echo for 30 years and if I thought there was a better saw, I'd buy it. Chains, bars, drive gear, & purge bulb is the only thing I have to replace. I'd hate to guess how many hrs. my CS 370 trim saw has on it.
Thanks for sharing. This 620 has had one failure so far. The oil pump failed and was replaced under warranty. The 562XP has spent weeks in the shop and Husqvarna replaced the AutoTune carb on it. Thank you again for watching and commenting.
@@Buddha-of8fk nice vintage saw but has its drawbacks. 2 many other options that's lighter, cheaper(especially 2 maintain) and just as powerful if not more so than a P61. I understand the love&draw 2 these dinosaurs because I suffer from CHS, but there is a time and place 4 them old beauties, not an everyday user👍🆙B
@@Doc-Cole_Trickle-of-Chainsaws We ran Pioneer for ever at our logging company. Probably at least 30 years. We bought a literal ton of them through the years. We made a lot of money with them. When they went to the Farm Saw we went to Husqvarna. The 41, 51 and 61 were my favorite because l was still logging back then. The P51 was my favorite. We used the P61 at the landing bucking most of the time. The grunt of a P61 was a big time saver.
On another note, I wanted to mention about previous videos that I wanted to reply to you about that I use Shakespeare Ugly Line in 800 foot rolls for about $33-35 from Lowe's. It's kind of triangle shaped line and I find it extremely durable. I also prefer the larger Echo Speedfeed 450 head over the 400 head. It's bigger, so I have less of a tendency to gauge the dirt and skim across it better, plus the bigger head holds more line in it. I have the PAS266 split boom straight shaft weed eater that Echo had still for 2 years after the 2620 came out. I bought mine in June 2015 and it was discontinued after the 2016 model year I believe. I also have a PAS225 and SRM225. Plus a hedge trimmer and leaf blower and multiple attachments for the PAS266. Edger, pole saw, 3 foot extension, hedge trimmer, brush cutter
what size is the line? The stuff I was using in that video is roughly half the cost because the retail on it is similar but the length is darn near 1400 feet if I remember correctly. Now, if the Triangle stuff works better, it certainly could be worth it! Sounds like you have a super great setup with the 266 unit. Are all of the PAS attachments compatible? I knew they had a larger head but had never heard any feedback. Thanks for sharing John!
@@oakiewoodsman .095 diameter Shakespeare Ugly Line 800 foot roll at Lowe's. It's on Amazon too. It's around $33-35 a roll before taxes. I really like it. The guy from the UA-cam channel Geek to Freak said that he used it probably way back in 2014-2016. He shut down that UA-cam channel after that. He was in St. Louis I believe. I think you can still search his channel on UA-cam and watch the videos. He was a huge lawn mowing channel back then, a single dad of 2 or 3 daughters I think. Sounded like a very nice guy.
@@oakiewoodsmanall of the ones I have would fit both the PAS225 and PAS266 and of course they would fit on your PAS2620. I really like the Speedfeed 450 head. I think you should try it and the Shakespeare Ugly Line in .095. I've never seen it in other sizes, but maybe it is available in different sizes too. I don't know. .095 makes the most sense though of course.
@@oakiewoodsman he just decided to quit the channel and continue a different channel involving his young daughter(s?) doing a toy channel. I think they were doing toy reviews or something like that. I can't remember if he had one daughter or 2 daughters anymore though. It's been at least 7 or 8 years ago now, maybe even 10 years.
Our shop is a warranty and service department for Husqvarna very disappointed in the durability of the 562xp. Around 2021 one of their manufacturers turned out a lot of bad bottom end bearings causing failure in the bearings and seals. Even after that the quality just is not there see a lot of them with top ends burned up do the product failure and crank bearings going out 562 XP is highly overrated saw. Husqvarna's warranty department will fight you every bit of the way even after admitting they had problems. Just had another one come in this week not even three months old carburetor bolts were loose leaned the saw out and burned it up after multiple calls pictures and emails the reply was it was not their equipments fault.
Thanks or sharing! This 562XP was in the shop numerous times. The carb was replaced when the shop couldn't find anything wrong and Husqvarna Suggested it. Again, I sure appreciate you being here. What other brands do you service?
Almost threw away my NEW Husky chain saw for slow cutting ----- UNTIL I removed the spark arrester baffle plate!!! It was a totally different saw after that - with very acceptable cutting speed. The Accountants are running Husky and performance is only important when it comes to company profit performance. I will never buy anything with the Husky name on it EVER. Not the first item that I have "gotten rid of" with the Husky name on it.
372 husky would be closer comparison to the 460 i have 2 460 there strong saws i like mine better then my 372 the 460 you ran seemed to me the chain didnt look as sharp as the 562 i dont have a 562 cant aford them i buy everything used and rebuild top ends and carbs to be honest i dont understand wy husky added prime bulbs almost eveyone that brings me there saw either the prime bulb is dry rotting or the extra gas lines rott or rub on the back of the carbs i try to stay away from xtorks to more added stuff to the carb to equals more problems
If you take a look at the stihl chios are coming out the front rather than the rear. It seems as if different.saws and chains really change in characteristics depending on species and dimensions. Thanks for watching and sharing
I am not even closed to be a professional as for sure you guy's are but watching this video kind make me feel my Stihl MSA300 with be a challenge for those two saws you have.
@@oakiewoodsman The cost of the saw is okay I may say, the all problem are the batteries they're priced like gold. About 3 years ago here in Europe I pay around 700 Eur. for the saw Stihl MSA300 and 470 Eur. for each of the 4 AP500S batteries I have. The saw is great has a homeowner I have used it very heavy never have any problem and is very much maintenance free like any electric tool just have to blow up the air filter with an air compressor and nothing more.
as for any company you get what you pay for. if you buy a homeowner saw like the ms170's they are not going to hold up and are a nightmare to work on farm saws as well are a nightmare to work on which they do on purpose to get people to just buy a new saw instead of fixing it themselves. when you buy a professional grade saw they are much easier to work on compared to the other's. all 3 companys have great saws in there lineup and the biggest thing when it comes to a saw lasting is not the saw its self its the user. if your running a saw like a amateur they simply wont last as long. one of the biggest things is a sharp chain. if you have a bad habit of running a dull chain and try to just push through it your going to burn a saw up in a hurry. also choosing the right two stroke oil and gas. in the usa my advise is stay away from stihl ultra it burns super dirty and builds up carbon way more then it should. also people think theres no such thing as to much oil when in fact that is not true at all. i run 45:1 and i wouldnt go past 40:1 otherwise youll sludge up the cylinder over time . oils i would reccomend are echo's red armor its good stuff or what i use is honda hp2 motocross oil. theres others that are good too just do ur research. next is filtration. some stihl models have terrible air cleaners and the 500i is one of them. if your going to be cutting alot i would go with a max air flow kit which switches it to a foam filter that needs to be oiled and it will be far better then the stock filter. my go to saws are stihl for sure but i also use my echo 2511t just as much if not more then my stihl 200t because of how light it is. /anyways theres alot of good saws out there by all the main brands and alot of failures could be negated if operator error wasnt a big factor.
I love the Richard Flag videos myself! I agree on the no ULTRA as well. I use 40:1 Red Armor Non Ethanol and it has been very good. I also want to give the Belrays H1R and Schaeffers a try. Thank for the well written comment!
i never understood the divide between stihl and husky guy's at the end of the day a sharp saw is what matters. before i started working in the tree care industry i learned to run a saw cutting firewood with my dad with a husky 455 rancher that we used as basically the only saw for not sure exsactly how long but 10-12 years atleast with no issues and i think only changed 1 spark plug on it ever and that saw still runs fine to this day though its been retired and we ran a 24 inch bar on it as well which is alot for that saw. at work theres 5 saws i use a echo 2511t then the rest are stihl which are the 200t ms261 an 046 and a 066. the 046 and the 200t are mine the otheres are the company's. one big thing atleast where i am is there are no husky dealers that i know of within 50 miles which is a big factor atleast when it comes to why my boss buys stihl. ive also just heard bad things about huskys service shops being a nightmare but thats just through other people so i cant say myself. either way i just wish people would chill out on the brand battles and realize a running chainsaw thats sharp is a fun chainsaw. unless its 100 degrees and im cutting a 4 foot stump with the 066 after climbing the whole day. but hey it cant all be fun and games lol also i agree richard flag makes great video's his latest 400c video he did is one of the best things ive seen in a long time.
@swere1240 you have a great lineup for sure! The Husqvarna dealers are far and few where I am too. With that comes also a lack of experience at the dealers that do exist. Thank you again and hope to see you around!
I have almost a dozen mostly older Stihls in including a very light for it's power 064, and I have an Echo, and a really cool Sachs-Dolmar 122 Super that I enjoy running because it has so much torque but no kick back safety so I act accordingly as Wranglestar might say. I am 54 now and the vibration of the bigger Stihls makes my hands numb. My go to saw has become the Husqvarna 562 because of the anti-vibe and not having to change air filters so often when cutting dead trees, but I still run Stihl chains because I like the way they cut. I hope you are running the same chains on the saws to even things out. I have a West German made 024 AVS that lives in my mountain truck to clear wind blown trees that fall across the roads here in Idaho . I have a soft spot for that saw and I can swap on a 026/MS260 when it finally wears out the cylinder. All saws are cool in my book so long as they run. I even bought a Dewalt 20" battery powered saw for S&Gs and it is better than I expected, but needs an adjustable oiler. It doesn't cut as smoothly as a gas saw, but it cuts surprisingly quick. The batteries just don't last long enough even with a 12 AH battery. Gas is just better.
I really appreciate you sharing all of this! I have never run an 064 but I know many of my viewers really like them. In this video, all the ECHOS were new chains. In a later video, my handfiled (same chain as in this video beat a new chain on the 460. I think my hand filing is pretty good and is not better than a factory grind per say so that means I need to get better. I like battery in a particular scenario. Many people REALLY do not like the battery saws. In terms, of "act accordingly" he is always referring to something else and not proper usage of saws! hahaha
To be more fair, all saws should have had brand new chains, amd equal chains, same brands and type of cut. Obviously a FC chain will cut faster than a SC chain, and all grinds are not identical between chain makers. A freshly ground, brand new chain will also ne more efficient than a chain that has a worn grind
All FC chains and in a later episode my hand filed chains performed better than the new chains... but for consistency, you are 100% correct. Always lots of variables!
You just can’t win. When a hand file wins ppl say it is cause hand file is faster, when new chains win, they say sharpen the hand file. If you watch again, you will see the chips coming out the front of the 460.
Farmers are a crappie source of what is a good saw because how little they use them. I have been a timber faller,hooker,rigging slinger, skidder op. Huskies vibrate so much at the end of the day you hurt. Echo is a one year saw under serious use the one that holds up doesn’t vibrate you to death and has the least down time is STIHL
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Bought brand new Echo CS490 20" four years ago. Less than $400. Starts like a dream. Never owned a Stihl that was an easy start. Fresh chain, it eats through hardwood fantastic. Spark arrestor removed, runs likes banshee. My opinion is that for a 20" bar the engine is a little underpowered. I think an 18" would be great on it. For a 20" the cc's should be more. I used to own a Jonsered 52cc with 18" bar. Best saw I ever had and sold it like a dummy. For the 3 cords per year I cut, the Echo is just right for the job. My Echo straight shaft trimmer has been put through hell, and still runs like it did brand new 10 years ago.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I find I generally prefer the longer bar just for reach alone. Now, of course, if you are fully burying a longer bar on a smaller saw, that can easily be too much but I have also found that the longer chain really doesn’t slow the cutting down even in smaller wood. When you are ready for a larger ECHO 620 or 590, make sure you check you my links and discount code Oakie10 for the best price you will find on ECHO Power equipment including trimmers, blowers saws etc. Again, thanks for sharing and hope you are well
Ahhh. The Johnny Red. My father-in-law had one in the mid '70s. It was a Helluva saw. Had a Pioneer saw, too. Remember them??
I’ve never owned a stihl chainsaw that was not an easy starter. That is the reason I love them.
Echo is under dog all time but they are awesome saws and they start so well. Great episode
Thank you for commenting and taking the time to watch. I have been VERY happy with my ECHO stuff. I am the proud owner of all three of these saws. Ecstatic for sure!
I concur the Echos run great I never had to retune them and they ran great.!
They get the job done for sure. You can get lighter or more performance elsewhere often but that doesn’t mean they are inferior. Often they are built like a tank.
That Husky 562 sure has a nice sound. It’s nice and throaty!! Nice video.
it is BEAUTIFUL! Thank you for watching!
I own 5 pieces of echo equipment and have found them trouble free across all five pieces and have put a lot of hours on them especially my straight shaft multi attachments trimmer, have run Stihl and Kawasaki in the past, the echoes blow them out of the water hands down, was in landscaping and lawn maintenance for many years and all 5 pieces were used in the business and are now used on occasion in work but now more for personal with no trouble, have never been wrenched on, awesome.
@benryzebol8349 that is amazing but not shocking. Many people have the same sort of story with them. Many people really like the PAS system that ECHO/Shindaiwa has. Thank you for watching and sharing!
Super dave is a Echo wizard, his porting technique is very scientific and his results show the fruit of his fastidiousness...
His attention to detail is insane! If he wants it, he will go VERY far IMO. Thank you for watching and appreciate you sharing the kind words about Dave!
I’ve always been a husqvarna guy, UNTIL I got my cs590.
Echo.
Now I’m an echo guy.
I’ve always had echo yard equipment, for decades!! Wanted to try an echo saw, and absolutely love it.
The power, dependability, even the built quality is awesome!!!
I’m not a professional logger, but heat house and shop with wood.
In Michigan, I process all my own timber, for heating.
All good saws, but echo is go to!!
Good video!!
Absolutely! Echo is hard to beat for reliability and consumer warranty. They are generally not the lightest or fastest but they are stout simple machines to rely upon!
I'm so glad I picked up a new Echo 620 before the California engine ban. I love all my Huskies and Stihls, but I have Echos from the mid 70's that start in 2 pulls still. $600 for a saw that runs like this? Fantastic. Great saws, fun comparison!
Excellent saw indeed! I gotta ask, I remember years ago (I came from CA myself) they were pushing to eliminate blowers I believe. I wanna say it had something to do with noise and air quality. I don't know if that was city or county laws or what. Then last I asked my cousin, he said they basically tried it and it didn't work so the blowers came back. Now in terms of what you are speaking of, what is the deadline for such a ban? From the way you talk about it, I assume once you have it you are grandfathered in? Thanks for sharing and watching!
@@oakiewoodsman As of January 1st of 2024, all small gasoline powered engines manufactured after January 2024 are banned from sale in California. Lawn mowers, leaf blowers, chainsaws, trimmers, etc., across the board with the exception of gas generators. Even generators will be banned above a certain displacement (like 600cc's) after 2028. Fortunately we're not banned from using tools we already have and buying parts. In my opinion this is a ridiculous law for a large number of reasons... It is really going to affect the wood burning lower income parts of Northern California, including me, my friends and family. If i had to buy an electric equivalent saw and batteries to run in the woods to cut the 8-15 cords a year I need, I would be spending $3500+. We can't afford that. Sorry to rant, haha, but you asked!
I did not realize this had already happened. Any exclusions for the logging industry? That is incredible…….. especially since CA had an abundance of Electric available 😉
@@bottwaandcaloverhow are they CA controlling Internet purchases? Sounds like an opportunity 4 some ECHO bootlegging🤑 CA having trouble supplying electric 2 all it's people(rolling blackouts) and they are switching everything 2 electric, makes total sense,🙄🤐
@@Doc-Cole_Trickle-of-Chainsaws Yes, with the blackouts and the pg&e public safety power shutoffs in fire season, they're going to ban generators in a few years! As far as shopping online, it was impossible to find sellers who would ship non CARB compliant equipment to California. I'm sure there are shadier sites out there though that won't care. I have friends in Oregon and Nevada who can help work things out though, haha.
Awesome video thanks so much for your time making it. However I still love my brushless Makita battery operated chainsaw hands down. It starts every time regardless of the temperature outside as long as I have fresh batteries. It's so nice and quiet no one has to listen to me cutting in the woods. With the exception of batteries if I have enough batteries to keep my saw going hands down I will never use another gas saw as long as I live. I definitely don't want a battery-operated pickup truck but as for the chainsaw I don't know how life could get much better than a battery-operated one with fresh charged batteries 😁 ✌️🇺🇸
I sure appreciate that! This could be one of the most controversial comments I ever receive hahaha..... not on my part but on many other peoples part. I think that if you have the stuff, the conditions are right and you have a proper understanding of what you are doing, batteries can be a great option. Many people assume a 2T setup will run forever but forget that when the gas can is empty you are not doing any work either. Thanks again. I have both and use em and love them differently!
I just bought an Echo 20” Timber Wolf, with the larger engine. I’ve used their blowers, and weed trimmers for years, and have never failed me. If they made mowers, I would get one of those too.
All the timberwolfs have the same engine I believe, even the 620 has same displacement. I have a 590 and 620, both great saws. My favorites actually. Drill a 1/2 hole in the 590 muffler in the bossed area,open up the deflector ,I even keep the spark screen . Remove carb limiters and tune. It's a noticeable improvement. Best saw for the money in my opinion. That being said I really like 620p . Runs a little better , not much. And has some more robust features .
Hahahaha unfortunately the only mower they have is battery. Honestly when I looked at it in person, it was not very impressive.
Back on the early 90s. Echo had a 20 inch 2 stroke mower. I sold a ton of them for $250.00. Very solid little machine.
I don't care which one gets through first , I want the one that keeps running. That would be echo.
So far, the ECHO saws have proven to be VERY good tools for reliability and the ability to trust the saw will do what I want it to do. I am certainly enjoying each and every saw I have for various reasons however. Thanks for watching!
Echos are good saws but of the three saws in this group the ms 460 will last as long or longer than any of them.
@@christopherlehman4045 nope
My brother bought an Echo... He regrets that! My neighbour bought an Echo... he gave the piece of crap to me! Thinking his first Echo was a one off lemon, my Neighbour bought another Echo that he returned a week later for a full refund! I am glad you like your Echo, but in my experience they are junk.
@@christopherlehman4045 The mill I work at has used a Stihl 046 for bucking for about 20 years, and we just replaced it with a Stihl 461.
Sweetness!!
Now I wish we grabbed the 660 and tested. All the saws are excellent, we went so fast it’s hard to feel them.
Dude! I am so glad you made it by buddy! The Video is a hit so I thank you VERY Much for making it possible Mark!
Awesome! Yeah that’s a lot of views fast! Must be because Stihl is in the title lol
very possible!
Always fun to make some noise and play with the saws a bit. Nice video.
Dude, it is a BLAST! So much fun to get together with a great friend and Subscriber of the channel!
Mr Joe Awesome comparison. I really feel the exile muffle cover helped that 460 out alot on the low end.
I am taking it to the next level this week buddy!
I have one of each brand, and they are both great saws. You need to use saws with new chains and bars. The size of the bars is a huge factor. The age of the saws is also a factor. Your technique is a factor. The amount of downward pressure applied is a factor. The size of the saws is a huge factor. As you said, this was just for fun. I will say it is much easier to get service done on the Stihl.
Thanks for sharing
@oakiewoodsman Thanks for the reply. Like I said. I have one of each brand, and service/parts availability is the biggest difference.
I personally cannot rely on local shops because I am in a small town. I do have decent support if I have a small warranty type of issue but otherwise I source all of my own parts elsewhere. For example, when my 460 needed a new piston and rings, in went a good known aftermarket Meteor Piston and Caber rings. I am going to pay for Stihl OEM for a saw with the hours this one has on it. My 395XP, though there is no place to get local OEM Parts for it, it needs a bit, in particular a new clutch cover. That is be aftermarket 100% because the saw has seen production logging and I again will not spend the $ for OEM. I think that if we pick and choose what to buy local, that is excellent. I rebuilt a straight gassed Stihl recently and the saw simply would have been a junk saw had a person expected it to go back OEM. Two crank seals from STIHL were nearly $30. I put in AM seals and top end. It was a homeowner saw and simply wasn't worth it otherwise. Thanks again!
@oakiewoodsman I have several Stihl dealers in a 30-mile radius . That is not the case for my Echo. Keep your chain out of the dirt!
Be safe!
I've always been a Husqvarna fan, I have the Husky 450 Rancher and a their 322L Trimmer. A while back I was in the market for a blower and the 580BTS was near impossible to get without waiting a month. I didn't wanna wait so I went ahead and pulled the trigger on a Stihl BR700 since then I've been giving Stihl a second look. That blower is my favorite i've ever had.
Excellent information! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. This is my honest opinion mostly from reasearch and a little experience. When I comes to blowers, I don't think it really matter all that much. When it comes to trimmers. I think that I prefer ECHO mostly cause they come with the excellent Speed Feed head. You can retrofit that on all the other pro trimmers, but why bother with em when the ECHO is so simple and great. I like that they do not bury the engine in plastic shrouds. After watching @Chickanic so much, she has revealed some weaknesses in the Husvarna Trimmers. Thank you again for watching and sharing!
So what i am seeing is... a "almost stock" 460 is just as good as a ported echo saw. Granted all of this cutting really has more to do with the chain grind and how sharp each chain is.
They were sharp but many ppl assume they were not. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Echo --> Cheap but heavy lower powered
I've always found the best way to achieve fast cutting is with a sharp chain, and swap out the stock 7 tooth sprocket for an 8 tooth. A stock saw with an 8 tooth will cut faster than a ported saw with a 7.
Ported cylinders and modified mufflers are probably the worst way to get more chain speed.
Thanks for sharing
I've had my echo 555 since 1978. It's retired now in favor of an Oregon 120 volt electric but up until 2015 the echo was the only saw I owned. I could not even guess how many cords of wood it cut in its 37 or so years of service.
Thanks for sharing! Great story!
Congrats on this video brother I don’t know how I missed this one. Awesome job !
Oh man! You hadn’t seen this one buddy! My most viewed long I date. I have some others that are starting to creep up. Especially the tractor one where we compare the Kioti and TYM. Thank you sir!
@ you kill it for sure, my man 👍
@@fatefarmspa hustlin!
Very cool! Great video and great saws! I just picked up a new MS400cm.
After years of struggling with old worn out farm saws I was stunned by the usability and sheer speed!
Love to try out an Echo sometime!
Cutting about 20cord this winter😬
The 400C looks to be an awesome choice. I think it is good that you purchased before they reduce the displacement and remove the MG piston. Thank you for watching and make sure you check out my newest ECHO video! ua-cam.com/video/u_ljeEy2re4/v-deo.html
Stay safe!
My dad always used Stihl and I guess I followed suit. I've owned a couple saws and they are both Stihl's.
Good tools!! Thanks for sharing!
The Duke's chains are awesome!! ..just used some last weekend in NC. So much better than the Amazon chains I was using. Fair prices too!
They are great! I do like the Orego EXJ a bit better but for the $ the Dukes is hard to beat! Thank you for watching!
Man the ms460 was and still is such a good saw 1 of the best stihl made!
I run a 562xp mk2 stock and its the best 60cc class out there right now id say by a fair way!!
Good stuff bro subbed
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Hey, thanks for watching and commenting! We do all sorts of stuff and there is an update to this video. ua-cam.com/video/9Qn4GIUL7jw/v-deo.htmlsi=v4fpMV5cQIdlKwjc My 562XP is a fantastic saw, especially since it got the SFP muffler on it! Thanks again and would love to see ya around.
I love the sound of a chain saw at full boogie going through a large log. I don't care which one of those comes out on top, I've owned Poulan, Homelite, McCulloch, Husqvarna and Stihl saws over the years and I'll never have anything else than a Stihl now. I might have to look into one of those mufflers for my MS271.
I agree with you! Thank you for watching and stay safe!
Great comparison and editing👍🏻
Thank you AP. Super fun and I thought the results were interesting. I thought the 562 would kill the 620s in all honesty. The 460 needs more wood
Nice splitter lol, my stepdad has an old splitfire and it still runs like a champ. split fire sends wood chippers and stuff to my work to get powdercoated.
Awesome indeed! I love the Split Fire chippers. They look like a cool design. The finish ought to hold up quite a bit better as they are powder coated. Thank you for watching and appreciate the comment! I assume you are up in CA? Thanks again
@oakiewoodsman ya it should be alot more durable then regular paint. yup southern Ontario canada!. They actually dropped off another run of chippers today as I was leaving work. Usually send us all the individual parts needed to build 5 chippers per order. We powder coat them fire engine red and send them back for assembly. They send us another 5 raw a few days later. We do the gas chippers, pto chippers, and 3 point dump buckets, we just don't do the splitters. Not yet anyway, maybe one day we will gain that as well.
Very cool! Thanks for sharing this!
I'd love to see a sound level comparison done as well. Too many equate loud pipes with better performance. Personally I'd like a saw that rips into it and the sound doesn't rattle your teeth.
That is a good idea. I think that would require a decibel meter to do properly.
Right! Tooooo loud. I want power,not noise
i have updated content on that if you look at the new video. ua-cam.com/video/3KC8MM8C7T8/v-deo.html
Well too bad, mufflers rob a saw of power.
@@w8stralyes they do rob power. Or have little to no change. Unless you fab up an expansion pipe. They work, but then the ergonomics make the saw useless for real work.
Wow, I've never seen a test with so much scientific integrity.
Thanks for watching. No matter what I do and how the test is conducted, someone will mention some other variable or condition. The main focus of the day was the ECHO saw and I just brought along these other saws. Interesting to note that the tests came out differently with some of the same chains etc in a different type of wood in a later test. I think we can conclude that all of the saws are actually quite close and it depends on the situation. Do you agree? None of them will “smoke” the other.
@@oakiewoodsman if your point is that there isn't much difference then I agree. But, and it's a big one, the small differences are exactly what stands them apart from each other. These companies have created saws at the best possible performance, perfected over decades of research and cut throat competition. They live and die in the tiny variances that set them apart. Your methods of comparison will never reach a meaningful measurement of these tiny differences, and therefore hold little to no value in comparison.
@@dugderg5249 except it helps people understand the diminishing return past a certain point. I just think it is fun but far too many people take personal ownership in “their brand”
@@oakiewoodsman agreed, but then why waste time with pointless testing to show there's no significant difference? You won't change anyone's mind, and it makes you look like you actually think your methods have validity.
not to change minds but rather show what is the reality for the curious like myself.
I grew up cutting timber, logging, etc, and went through many different makes of chainsaws and won many chainsaw-cutting contests two things are most important #1 knowing how to file the chain to get the most out of it, #2 using your dogs to hook into the log to get a large bite and add more power to weight ratio. I see you just hanging the blade trying to use only the weight of the saw, this is not how you make fast work, so use your dogs and dig in and apply more force on the blade! Got it? filing the chain is an art you need to learn.
Thanks for watching. If you were to watch my other video where we did 5 ECHO 620 saws back to back you would find that my hand filed 28" full comp beat the new 24 full comp pictured in this video. I hear what you are saying. Also, I have measured as well as many other people have measured and shown that dogging in is slower than having a chain that self feeds nicely. If you notice, the race saws go down up down with no dogs for a reason. I do lay on the dogs however when I am in big wood, my chain is getting less than optimal and it makes sense. Each of these saws have much different pivot points so a test like that would be impossible. The dogs are just one tool in the shed and not the only way to go. Thanks for sharing and appreciate the comment.
got it??
@@PolishPony57 Nope...
Amen brother from the Canadian west coast rainforest. The dogs are there for a reason. The Husqvarna 2130 and the old 2100 are my saw of choice. 120 cc engine.
Need to use the leverage the dogs provide to use a saw to its potential.
@@williamkillingsworth2619 my response was to @b.b.8204. That may explain your confusion.
Mark you have a nice collection of saw's
He sure does! He is kinda has the bug
30 years or residential tree work and storm recovery have shown me:
Echo- heavy n low power.
Huski- high power but no grit, dont last.
Stihl-good power and durable.
Also, small huski's used to climb n cut, wont stay running when hung off your belt, and then when they go dead they're hard to crank.
Stihl's stay running.
Thanks for sharing!
Yeah Stihl used to be a better choice for durability back when they had the rubber mounts. Way better to learn on because you could pull on them without destroying mounts. Now that they're spring mounted like the Huskies, it's an even playing field.
Seems like much is riding on reputation rather than actual usage now days. I am not saying the news aren’t any good but many claim Stihl is the best because of the 044 and 046. Just happened the other day. I was cutting some firewood and an old-time logger rolled up and said why don’t you buy something good? I said I do have something good. He said no they ain’t. I was cutting with an echo at the moment. I’ve then proceeded to tell him I had an MS 460 sitting on the bench at the house and I loved that saw too. He had two 500i in the back of his truck and started talking about how much you dislike them 🤣 I’ll tell you what, I wouldn’t mind having one or both of them!
You might want to look a the Jonsered Saw. This saw will out do the other three any day. I used one for many years. No one hears about that say much here in the states.
wish they still made em! Thank you for watching and commenting!
@@oakiewoodsman Hi again, My husband got his when we were living in Maine and there are still some dealers selling Jonsered saws. We have not had to look into getting one for a number of years and now they are hard to find. They are still made in Sweden.
@pattysakowich5828 Jonsered is unfortunately gone just like Dolmar, Makita and McCulloch. The real ones at least. You can get a Husqvarna and we offer a great discount on them and on ECHO Saws.
Really like the Echo, performance was good
Great saw and Dave did a fantastic job. My most recent video is me actually putting a new ported cylinder on a new saw. Just came out today. Thank you again!
All good saws, but I run a couple of Sachs Dohlmars.
Thank you for sharing. Wish they were still around.
@@oakiewoodsman yep, me too.
I have had all three. Which one do I still own? Why that would be the Stihl. I have a Stihl FS 76 brush/weed trimmer since 1994 and it still does the job today. It has an incredible amount of hours on it. Change sparks and keep the air filters clean. Same goes for the chainsaws. One other thing. If the saws are not running the same make chains, your testing is somewhat redundant.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! Your opinions are valued here and I am a believer in all three of the big brands. Kinda hard to not recognize each and everyone of their strengths and weaknesses.
When i was a kid we cut short sticks with a one man crosscut and a sawbuck for grandma’s cookstove about 8-10” to put in the side and oven fireboxes. What do you use these 2-4 “ thick rounds in?
Frisbees and sometimes crafts! Glad I am not cutting with a crosscut for all of my wood. I am not sure many would watch! Thanks again!
@@MikeFerguson-yq2jh split them up for great oak bbq wood!
I have the 562 andnit hasvworked well for me
Love my 562 mark I now that it has the muffler mod. I had lots of trouble up until that point.
Are you using the same chain on each saw? Bar length was obviously different, which can change how efficient they cut.
Thanks for watching. Read some comments and you will find the answers written many times
I would of rather had an answer, but sure, I'll scroll through 400 plus comments for the answer 😐 , other than this, good channel bro.
The short is no. The long is that my hand file beat the new chains on the ECHO 620. New chains were 24. Hand filed was 28”. Sorry, I get this question all of the time. Thanks for watching
Very interesting Mr. OAKIE...
Thank you Brian. Kinda was surprised. As you well know, different wood diameter and different species along with different raker heights could alter the whole test. This hackberry is relatively soft and cuts nicely.
Take care of your saw fuel and filters and maintenance and they are all good, in fact most saws will be good cutters. the key is knowing how to sharpen your chain to perfection.
You are correct!
One of my last disaster relief missions was to Puerto Rico in 2017. MS-461 with a 25” bar worked surprisingly well even in the Iron Wood that was down over power lines and roads. I also prefer Sthils start/lever system over Husky. The newer MKII variants in the Husky line seem to be pretty good. Waiting for a 572 MKII to try! In the meantime, my MS-500i with a bark box and 28” light bar is great for the weight!!
After talking with Storm Crews with LOTS of experience, there is a reason why the 044 and 046 got the reputation they did. Guys are rough on stuff and conditions are less than optimal. They just kept working and working from what I have heard. At the same time, the 500i is a delight to use but certainly not a saw to pull on or abuse. I was also talking to a big contract ROW company and he was saying they had purchased a big lot of ECHO stuff to put in the field and so far it was going well in terms of reliability. You have a VERY nice setup and I think it would be worth waiting on the Mkii 572 myself. It seems as if Husqvarna makes good improvements after the time. Thanks for watching and appreciate you being here!
@@oakiewoodsman yes the 500 has some issues to tackle right out of the box for sure. As I get older the power to weight makes a bigger difference than I’d like to admit. These days I’m retired, so the 500 is a great fell, limb, buck all in one with a 28” bar. Made sure to snag a 461 NOS for a good deal right when they went out of production. My MS-261 with a muffler mod is probably my most used saw however. After storms and what not, helping neighbors or doing a little fire wood or wood for a smoker. My 881 hasn’t really gotten any use since I moved to Oklahoma, haven’t needed the power, mostly smaller trees, and the weight will get to you after awhile.
I sure understand what you mean. I am not a person that desires or pretends to be tough enough sling a 70+ cc saw around for every little task. A saw like a 261 is an awesome tool and I have recommended a 50CC pro so like the 545/550 or the 261 to many ppl because in reality, they can do much of what most people need to do including myself. I just have an addiction hahaha. We also try to get out and help as a family with storm damage. Hope to do some more in the future. I sure appreciate you being here and please, share your knowledge because I am just an enthusiast that takes time to film and edit my findings. I love this stuff!
@@oakiewoodsman the 550 MKII is a great saw. Definitely up to the task. The 261’s controls are more to my liking but, as I said if the 550 MKII fits you better it is in the same class and highly reliable.
When I purchased my 545, I was heavily looking into the 261 stihl. Honestly, what swayed me was the sound and the ease of top cover removal. I just liked the design of the 545/550. I really want to add some more modern STIHL saws to the stable. Specifically. the 261, 400C, 462C or the 500i. I am not a 661 fan.
I use stihl chain saw I've tried a lot of different saws but out runs all the rest
That is a very broad statement and is often not the case. Thanks for watching!
We’re all three saws using new identical chains? If so, I missed that part.
I would read the comments below. It has been answered numerous times. Simply no. Some ppl argue hand filed is faster.... and I have the echo with a 24" new chain get beat by my 28" hand file on the same saw. That is seen in the ECHO 620P vide comparison. Thanks for watching.
It’s close enough that any of them would work for me.
Hey, that is sure one way of looking at it. It really depends on feel at that point doesn't it? Or maybe price? Where would the deciding factor be for you?
@@oakiewoodsman assuming all three are the same tier, and similar performance, the deciding factor is parts availability and look up. I have worked on all three brands. I have a hard time looking up Stihl. I can not seem to find a good US site, so I guess it is dealer proprietary. That pisses me off. I can easily look up Echo and Husqvarna. I have easy access to dealers for all three where I live. Husqvarna has been screwing up there parts availability for outdoor power equipment the last few years. That's no good. I guess they are going woke with electrical and abandoning gas powered equipment. I am not aware of any such problems with them. Echo is easy to look up and I have not encountered parts availability issues. That leaves Echo as my choice for my next chainsaw.
@1anthonybrowning Echo is a great place to land for sure. Do you have a particular model you are looking for? My 620P has been very good and I have encountered one failure in ownership. The oiler went out and was covered under warranty. Out of all of my ECHO OPE, that is the only failure I have had. Very happy with it. Yes, Husqvarna has had a parts distribution issue for a few years. It seems they can produce equipment but have a hard time getting critical parts out at times. Thanks!
@@oakiewoodsman I’d like to stay away from entry level 2-cycle of anything. I’m a homeowner in a subdivision. I rarely have tree work to do anymore. I was looking at the CS-4010, that should be more than enough for what I need. Anything bigger would be a waste of money for me. A step down from 18” to 16” May fit my needs better. Things to think about…
if you are looking for a good deal on ECHO stuff, have you considered buying through Saw Supliers? here is a link www.sawsuppliers.com/products/echo-cs-4510-18-chain-saw-18-bar-chain?sca_ref=6288220.ULyQjXMn0x
Plus if you use discount code oakie10, you will save more money and get free shipping. Make sure you check out the various bar options or powerhead only options if you already have suitable bars! Cannot be beat in price, pretty sure. Thanks again!
My echo taught me that chain's make a huge difference.
Echo seems to have more tq and cuts better with a skip tooth then putting the kick back into the wood and letting her go
Thanks for watching and sharing. What saw are you referring too?
@@oakiewoodsman cs590 is my biggest saw
great machine!
@@oakiewoodsman as a ignorant amateur that bought it off a tree company. I'm happy with it lol. Now have a 16 inch echo. A 14 inch atlas and a handle 6 inch off Amazon. They all have their uses
Heck ya! Stay safe and have fun!
Well that is interesting!
Again a lot of variables, if you went out next week and did all the same tests the results may be different. But that is how testing goes! They are tools/toys and in reality 99% of people cant notice a 1 second difference in a 20 second cut in real life so they should all be just fine to work with.
Good words dave! Lots of variable including operator comfort and familiarity.
Well put!
Nice work there Dave.
@@Houseworksaws agreed
Where the 460 (and 461's) shines is with a long bar in big wood. Rocking back and forth just proved my theory that all that extra farting around makes them actually cut slower versus just having them cut flat/horizontally. The 460 and 461 are 76.45 cc's and so I didn't expect them to be faster in that size of wood. They are well known to be ideal with a 24" to 32" bar and lugging through a big log or felling a big tree thanks to their torque. 562 is a good short bar saw blasting through smaller wood 20" and less. 590/600/620 are small bore/long stroke torque saws good for a longer bar than most 60 cc saws. It would be even faster than the 562 in big wood with a long bar...20"-28", although ported 562's are good with a 28" too, they are better suited for 20" and 24" bars. All of this would be in hardwoods like oak and Black Walnut. In the Illinois, Iowa, Southwest Wisconsin area that I'm in, the tri-state area, it's best known for Black Walnut logging in particular. For example, on just one hillside on our 234 acre farm my dad and a logger friend pulled 10 semi truck loads of Black Walnut when I was a kid in the early 1980's that all went to Paris, France for furniture making.
I grew up there in family tree services started at age 15 fulltime..done alot clearing but not logger ..arborist of about 30 years ..got out of production for about 6 but still did trees ..today's world is much different..and far beyond lazy ..there's no mentorship and or respect for elders and no earning there way up..the country was built by hard LABOR PHYSICAL LABOR AND SKILLED LABOR..with trusting in the lord Jesus christ...heartbreaking to see two thirds of America deceived by evolution and these schools and governments that poison and indoctrinate are youth..it's beyond recovery..2 things I miss up there Flatt ground and it's nice a cold ❄..cold weather is always better than hot..when you work outdoors 12hr a day it's not debate ..being Yankees we know you just add a layer or strip a layer of clothes..you cannot cool off ..God bless
Good word John and I cannot believe that amount of loads of Walnut! That is insane! 234 acre!!!!! Dang that sounds like a lot of fun to me!
@@oakiewoodsman that was just on one hillside in the woods that was pasture land for the cows. There was other hillsides and a lot more woods than just that on the farm. That was probably 20-30% of our woods I'm guessing.
that is INSANE!
I'm no experto but I think the efectiveness of a cut depends on the quality of the chain as much as in the power of the machine...
Correct
Men and their saws. I was at our local lumber mill to cut up scrap for firewood. I have a Stihl 391, 64cc, 4.5hp stock, 25'' bar - but I sharpen my own chains a special way (not only sharp but shaped a certain way). I was just ripping through 24'' logs with chips flying. The lumber jacks noticed me and felt intimidated, so a kid pulls out another Stihl probably a MS661 with 5' bar and starts it up revving it up - I was WTF? so I start revving my saw. LOL, what a pissing contest - I think the kid won that round. Hilarious!
hahahaha... thank you for sharing!
John Deere 70v...was slow but would outlast all ya saws...daddy had one for over 20s....no issues, firewood ever winter for years...
they had an echo engine😊
It was an ECHO 702VL. Thanks for watching and sharing!
Same chain tooth profiles?
Probably not. The echo had brand new chain on it. That was a 24 inch bar. But if you want to start wondering where the discrepancy is in the video previous to this I show my hand filed 28 beat the brand new chain 24. So, the 460 and 562 had hand filed chains
Short bar and chain drive on the echo made the difference. For the money, I'll stick with stihl! Owned and operated all 3!!
Thanks for sharing!
👍👍 interesting. Thought you he 460 would have taken the day.
Me TOO! I kinda was surprised. Also, I kinda thought the cut where I dogged in would be faster but I was wrong there too!
Basically your front ports on stihl saws is making them weaker in the cut
Jake, I am interested to see if this is the case. More testing coming! This saw should still have back pressure because the baffle is still in there. Does that change your perception?
@@oakiewoodsman Just has been my experience trying different muffler set ups on my 461s,I run the Chinese mufflers so they have no baffle but I only use side ports after many cuts buried in hardwoods with only ever 20inch bars full comp chisel chain 3/8 063 the side ports definitely give more low down grunt but yes cut a little slower in the smaller Timbers if that makes sense
Thanks for the information
I agree echo is a awesome saw very well made and reliable. Stihl well the fuel caps separate after a while and are hard to get locked shut plus I don't know what Stihls warranty is now but it used to be 2 years and that was only if you bought a six pack of there gas mix. I like husky's they are a good saw. Sorry if I upset any Stihl owners but I'm just not a fan of Stihl.
My favorite cap design is the Husqvarna style and I do not know if you know this but you can put the Husqvarna caps on the 590/620 for a perfect fit.
I had a Stihl 015 for just shy of 24 years and I worked it hard. Replaced with a Stihl 250. Hate the starting crap but it works if you follow their advice. This one is 10+ years. Cost, yep I agree, overpriced but they last so evens out.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
All these front ported mufflers do not allow the saw to create more torque they just allow the saw to rev up quicker and flow better all throughout but you will loose some bottom end power compared to just a bit bigger than stock side only ports
I am kinda searching to see if that is the case. I think that in some scenarios that may be true, but not always. Thanks for watching
@@oakiewoodsman so ye all good in soft wood to run whatever set up but in Aussie hardwoods I much prefer low end power or the saw just bogs
Ahhhhhh Australia! That stuff looks hard!
Good fun stuff!
For sure Ted!
I worked at a Ace Hardware and worked on Stihls all the time, they suck to start. Like all saws inhad to tell everyone how not to flood their saws because people are not to smart. I despise the MS250. But when they are dialed in they are monster cutters. But i personally own Echo and Shindaiwa saws and edgers. I haw a Shindaiwa weed eater that is 18 years old and still runs like a champ.
@@Helofelokids thanks for sharing!
Echo straight up!! 💯💪🦾
The builder of this 620pw and I have collaborated on another 620P. I have built it and run it and the video will be coming out in a short bit in the next week or so. I also have started running my new 7310 as well! That saw has a porter lined up as well and I cannot wait for that to happen. Thank you for watching!
ECHO Baby
Love my Tanaka as well FTW
Thanks for watching and commenting!
They all seemed to be running just fine although with the 562 I did expect a bit more, especially with the shorter bar.
I did too. Have you seen the ECHO Comparison video, the first one in the series. Believe it or not, my 28" with my questionable hand file beat the 24" NIB chain on the same saw. Very interesting stuff!
@@oakiewoodsman I didn't see that one but I am aware of how good the Echo 590 and 620 are. A friend of mine has both and I don't think he has ever cleaned the aircleaners on them.
They run pretty darn good.
There is a reason they have a 5 year consumer warranty. Thank you again!
I will say that I have to pick the 1 with the most power vs. weight ratio unless I have to spend more money on both the saw and purchase a tank of fuel every 10 minutes. We needa video of how much wood you can actually cut with those 3 saws in 30 minutes.
That would be very good information. Thanks for watching and suggesting a topic. Much appreciated!
Stihl 460 is 77 cc is it not? So 2 60 cc saws vs a 77cc, wonder which will win???
I do not believe you watched the entire video
Fancy comparison! I think the saws that have your logo on the bar cut the fastest🤓
hahahaha.... thanks for watching and noticing my branding having an advantage! hahaha
Never count out the Echo
The best value out there! Then when performance work is done you have a stout well performing machine! The stock one does pretty darn good I would say
My xp394 keeps up pretty good to this new stuff
I have heard they are very good. The law of diminishing returns is certainly applicable here. The 500i is pretty cool and very light and does neat stuff but..... it a tad pricey and fragile. Hard to strike a balance between size, weight and power for sure. Thank you for watching and commenting!
7:31 ...I know that...that's what my neighborhood sounds like on Saturdays
Are you a part of it? 😂
Mornin
Morning Man!
They all make great saws. I have only had Stihl and Echo. Now I have a Echo 590 Timber Wolf. My biggest complaint with Stihl is that they were always hard to start. I have thrown away two Stihl weed eaters after several trips to the repair shops and still dislocating my shoulder with 20-30 pulls. Everything I have now is Echo and for theses reasons. They have always started on the first or second pull. They are reliable and can perform just as well against comparable competition and they cost way less. I refuse to own a saw/weed eater that by the time I get it started I'm already tired.
Thank you for sharing! The 590 is a great tool for sure and covers many peoples needs. My STIHL MS460 is one of the best starting saws I have ever had. Not sure why some models seems to be more problematic. I once had an MS250 at work that was brand new and it was rough starting. It went back and it came back still bad.
I blame that more on the shop than the equipment. Husky, Stihl and echo should all start within a few pulls if tuned correctly and you use the purge primers. My fs 56 primed 8-10 times set choke and 1-2 pulls its running.
@@christopherlehman4045 I can see your point however, In my 55 years of life I have a ton of experience with power equipment starting at a very young age. I tell people that I was a professional lumberjack by the age of 5 from living on a 60 acre farm that when you were not taking care of the horses and cows you were mowing 16 acre of grass. Weed eating around a 3 acre lake and around fence post of a fenced in 10 acre pasture. On top of that, my dad was a superintendent at an oilfield trucking company where he would take two Mack trucks with 40' trailers loaded with a Cat 955 and a off road forklift into the woods. The Cat would push over trees and along with 4 or 5 of dad's friends we would process the trees to fit on the trailers with the forklift. These tree limbs and trunks were then loaded on the trucks and brought to our farm where we kept a fairly steady flow of about 3 acre of wood for splitting and stacking to season. We have used several brands but Echo always stood out as the easiest equipment to start and by the second year all the men had bought Echo saws. They are just as good, way cheaper and a 5 year warranty. Why buy anything else. Also, I have used other peoples Stihls and most all of them were hard to start. I just want something to work when I need to work.
@SteveShelton-hh4xt just for me to chime in here..... my best starting saws are my ECHO CS-310, STIHL MS460 and Husqvarna 545. Pretty much never deviate from what you anticipate. My 620 and 562XP both suffer from periodic extra pull syndrome. Just depends on the day it seems. My 562XP has improved dramatically now that it has been modified. Far more reliable than stock.
I have a 2 chainsaws, a weed eater, leaf blower, hedge trimmer and string trimmer, all Stihl. Mostly pro level equipment. Never had trouble starting any of them, ever. Even after sitting a year. I use premium gas and Stihl oil which I believe has a fuel stabilizer in it. Do you use the right technique? ( choke/pull once or twice, release choke, pull again and don't touch the throttle. They usually start immediately.
For over 40 years I've been using my Sthil 041 Farmboss to cut my yearly cord wood. 2 years ago I decided to buy a new chainsaw, a Husqvarna 460 Rancher. That was a mistake!! My Sthil 041 beats that Husqvarna 460 all to hell. Even though the 041 has less cc's, it has way more rpm's. It simply eats the wood. I still use the Sthil 041 and only bring the Husqvarna as a back up. I'm very disappointed in that chainsaw.
Thanks for sharing! Can I ask what made you pick the plastic saw over something like the 545? The rancher series is much like the new farm boss saws. None of them are very exciting. They will get the job done but practically are just a homeowner saw branded something else. Thank you for watching and glad your 041 has served you well. Be safe!
It was the way you have started to cut. Echo was choking with shavings, throwing shavings to the front of the chain. #2 you never keep saw is steady position, you always play it through the wood so it can clean and bite fibers ,but that's my amateur opinion..
Thanks for watching and sharing!
The only fare way to compare saws is to use the same chain on all of them.
What if your favorite did even worse then?
The biggest problem with comparing auto tune to not auto tuned is the unfair advantages in the chain speed differences. The 562's are screamers and run best after doing a tuning cut and running high octane fuel.
Thanks for sharing. I am strongly against the "field reset every time the weather changes" and the reason is, if that is a must, the technology needs to be improved significantly more. I do however find that the saw adapts relatively quickly and it really doesn't take long! Love the AutoTune! Prior. All the saws were played around with prior to the test cuts. Thank you for watching and sharing!
@@BertsCustomCuts 👊B, just asking, what's the reasoning behind the high octane fuel?
@@Doc-Cole_Trickle-of-Chainsaws saw runs cooler and faster.
@@BertsCustomCuts just digging 4 facts here B not trying 2 be a 🍆. From my understanding, the high octane is less volatile therefore causing a slower burn which is only needed in high compression situations 2 prevent the fuel from self igniting. If high octane isn't necessary, the lower octane, higher volatility fuel should create a quicker more efficient burning of the fuel, less flame shooting into the muffler that's caused by the slower burning higher octane fuel, especially at high RPM. This is just my thinking/understanding B. Seems the slower burn would create a longer interval of flame in the cylinder/muffler, creating more heat transfer/build-up vs a quicker more complete burn of the fuel, less flame going into the muffler more of just spent exhaust fumes. Again IDK just pondering.
@Doc-Cole_Trickle-of-Chainsaws if you dont use saw as often it also keeps up to 2 years in a saw. It also has a nice smell when using it.
If you take care of your equipment and learn your models quirks (more or less priming) they are all three great saws. I will say Husqvarna seems have to went the cheaper route on parts, Echo's are such great value, but there is only one saw that has a massively supplied accessories and equipment market. The professionals use them for a reason. That said, the up front cost is higher for Stihl, but after you have to replace anything on them over the years they start paying you back.
Thanks for sharing your take on the 3 brands! You are 100% right about learning each machine. That goes for the starting procedure along with the operation as well as even chain profile and raker depth. Thanks much and appreciate the time’
I've always had Huskies, great chainsaws.
They are truly a pleasure to run!
My next saw will be an Echo since husqvarna is going all battery basically.
They just developed a brand new 562XP. How do you say they are going all electric? Every company does indeed have a product line in battery because it makes business sense for them to do. Also, the average consumer really likes the battery OPE. While, I cannot argue against buying and excellent ECHO piece of equipment, understand they they too have an extensive and growing battery lineup as well. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Is not that a 60cc 4.7 HP Chainsaw VS 72 cc with 6 HP chainsaw?
Probably. What is your real question? The Echo is ported so HP is unknown.
@oakiewoodsman referring to STihl and Husqvarna
Thanks for watching. I enjoy running weird combinations because sometime people think that a larger cc saw is always going to be faster but I do Believe a good quick 50cc can produce more work in certain circumstances.
i just want a saw that i dont have to tighten the chain after every 6" of cutting
It has been my experience that if the chain is loosening like that, there is either a problem with a lack of oil or possible dull chain. Both create heat and therefore stretch or wear. If it is not either of those, maybe your bar nuts are not able to be tightened?
Seamed like the Stihl has more grunt. Maybe not as fast reving but sounds like it bites harder.
I think a longer bar in bigger wood, the 460 would pull much better. Thanks for watching and sharing!
No surprise here, been using Echo for 30 years and if I thought there was a better saw, I'd buy it. Chains, bars, drive gear, & purge bulb is the only thing I have to replace. I'd hate to guess how many hrs. my CS 370 trim saw has on it.
Thanks for sharing. This 620 has had one failure so far. The oil pump failed and was replaced under warranty. The 562XP has spent weeks in the shop and Husqvarna replaced the AutoTune carb on it. Thank you again for watching and commenting.
They all look the same to me,why all the throttle blipping,all it does is wear out the linkage
simple answer it is fun as all get out! Thanks for watching!
I got a 16 inch ryobi . . . It works great 😂
Heck ya! Thanks for sharing! Sometimes, that is ALL you need and that is just fine indeed. Thanks for being here
If you had a Pioneer P61 you would be in business.
Thanks for watching! There is always another saw right?
@@oakiewoodsman Try one if you have a chance. The torque is unreal.
I have heard good things!
@@Buddha-of8fk nice vintage saw but has its drawbacks. 2 many other options that's lighter, cheaper(especially 2 maintain) and just as powerful if not more so than a P61. I understand the love&draw 2 these dinosaurs because I suffer from CHS, but there is a time and place 4 them old beauties, not an everyday user👍🆙B
@@Doc-Cole_Trickle-of-Chainsaws We ran Pioneer for ever at our logging company. Probably at least 30 years. We bought a literal ton of them through the years. We made a lot of money with them. When they went to the Farm Saw we went to Husqvarna. The 41, 51 and 61 were my favorite because l was still logging back then. The P51 was my favorite. We used the P61 at the landing bucking most of the time. The grunt of a P61 was a big time saver.
On another note, I wanted to mention about previous videos that I wanted to reply to you about that I use Shakespeare Ugly Line in 800 foot rolls for about $33-35 from Lowe's. It's kind of triangle shaped line and I find it extremely durable. I also prefer the larger Echo Speedfeed 450 head over the 400 head. It's bigger, so I have less of a tendency to gauge the dirt and skim across it better, plus the bigger head holds more line in it. I have the PAS266 split boom straight shaft weed eater that Echo had still for 2 years after the 2620 came out. I bought mine in June 2015 and it was discontinued after the 2016 model year I believe. I also have a PAS225 and SRM225. Plus a hedge trimmer and leaf blower and multiple attachments for the PAS266. Edger, pole saw, 3 foot extension, hedge trimmer, brush cutter
what size is the line? The stuff I was using in that video is roughly half the cost because the retail on it is similar but the length is darn near 1400 feet if I remember correctly. Now, if the Triangle stuff works better, it certainly could be worth it! Sounds like you have a super great setup with the 266 unit. Are all of the PAS attachments compatible? I knew they had a larger head but had never heard any feedback. Thanks for sharing John!
@@oakiewoodsman .095 diameter Shakespeare Ugly Line 800 foot roll at Lowe's. It's on Amazon too. It's around $33-35 a roll before taxes. I really like it. The guy from the UA-cam channel Geek to Freak said that he used it probably way back in 2014-2016. He shut down that UA-cam channel after that. He was in St. Louis I believe. I think you can still search his channel on UA-cam and watch the videos. He was a huge lawn mowing channel back then, a single dad of 2 or 3 daughters I think. Sounded like a very nice guy.
@@oakiewoodsmanall of the ones I have would fit both the PAS225 and PAS266 and of course they would fit on your PAS2620. I really like the Speedfeed 450 head. I think you should try it and the Shakespeare Ugly Line in .095. I've never seen it in other sizes, but maybe it is available in different sizes too. I don't know. .095 makes the most sense though of course.
I wondered what happened to the channel? Interesting when that sort of stuff happens.
@@oakiewoodsman he just decided to quit the channel and continue a different channel involving his young daughter(s?) doing a toy channel. I think they were doing toy reviews or something like that. I can't remember if he had one daughter or 2 daughters anymore though. It's been at least 7 or 8 years ago now, maybe even 10 years.
hi there interesting , john
Thank you John. Hope you are well and thanks for watching!
Our shop is a warranty and service department for Husqvarna very disappointed in the durability of the 562xp. Around 2021 one of their manufacturers turned out a lot of bad bottom end bearings causing failure in the bearings and seals. Even after that the quality just is not there see a lot of them with top ends burned up do the product failure and crank bearings going out 562 XP is highly overrated saw. Husqvarna's warranty department will fight you every bit of the way even after admitting they had problems. Just had another one come in this week not even three months old carburetor bolts were loose leaned the saw out and burned it up after multiple calls pictures and emails the reply was it was not their equipments fault.
Thanks or sharing! This 562XP was in the shop numerous times. The carb was replaced when the shop couldn't find anything wrong and Husqvarna Suggested it. Again, I sure appreciate you being here. What other brands do you service?
Hate to bring this up, but......had an 041 super 35 odd years ago and it would bury either of these saws hands down.
Thanks for watching
Almost threw away my NEW Husky chain saw for slow cutting ----- UNTIL I removed the spark arrester baffle plate!!! It was a totally different saw after that - with very acceptable cutting speed.
The Accountants are running Husky and performance is only important when it comes to company profit performance. I will never buy anything with the Husky name on it EVER. Not the first item that I have "gotten rid of" with the Husky name on it.
Can you share what model that was in? Thank you for watching and sharing!
372 husky would be closer comparison to the 460 i have 2 460 there strong saws i like mine better then my 372 the 460 you ran seemed to me the chain didnt look as sharp as the 562 i dont have a 562 cant aford them i buy everything used and rebuild top ends and carbs to be honest i dont understand wy husky added prime bulbs almost eveyone that brings me there saw either the prime bulb is dry rotting or the extra gas lines rott or rub on the back of the carbs i try to stay away from xtorks to more added stuff to the carb to equals more problems
If you take a look at the stihl chios are coming out the front rather than the rear. It seems as if different.saws and chains really change in characteristics depending on species and dimensions. Thanks for watching and sharing
I am not even closed to be a professional as for sure you guy's are but watching this video kind make me feel my Stihl MSA300 with be a challenge for those two saws you have.
Is that the battery rear handle? Thanks for watching!
@@oakiewoodsman Yes and this is the only model of the MSA300 not like in the case the MSA220 C witch have two different models.
Thanks for sharing. I would have a hard time swallowing the cost of the initial purchase plus two additional batteries. That is a LOT of 2 stroke mix.
@@oakiewoodsman The cost of the saw is okay I may say, the all problem are the batteries they're priced like gold. About 3 years ago here in Europe I pay around 700 Eur. for the saw Stihl MSA300 and 470 Eur. for each of the 4 AP500S batteries I have.
The saw is great has a homeowner I have used it very heavy never have any problem and is very much maintenance free like any electric tool just have to blow up the air filter with an air compressor and nothing more.
@sirvozelo1 thanks for sharing!
as for any company you get what you pay for. if you buy a homeowner saw like the ms170's they are not going to hold up and are a nightmare to work on farm saws as well are a nightmare to work on which they do on purpose to get people to just buy a new saw instead of fixing it themselves. when you buy a professional grade saw they are much easier to work on compared to the other's. all 3 companys have great saws in there lineup and the biggest thing when it comes to a saw lasting is not the saw its self its the user. if your running a saw like a amateur they simply wont last as long. one of the biggest things is a sharp chain. if you have a bad habit of running a dull chain and try to just push through it your going to burn a saw up in a hurry. also choosing the right two stroke oil and gas. in the usa my advise is stay away from stihl ultra it burns super dirty and builds up carbon way more then it should. also people think theres no such thing as to much oil when in fact that is not true at all. i run 45:1 and i wouldnt go past 40:1 otherwise youll sludge up the cylinder over time . oils i would reccomend are echo's red armor its good stuff or what i use is honda hp2 motocross oil. theres others that are good too just do ur research. next is filtration. some stihl models have terrible air cleaners and the 500i is one of them. if your going to be cutting alot i would go with a max air flow kit which switches it to a foam filter that needs to be oiled and it will be far better then the stock filter. my go to saws are stihl for sure but i also use my echo 2511t just as much if not more then my stihl 200t because of how light it is. /anyways theres alot of good saws out there by all the main brands and alot of failures could be negated if operator error wasnt a big factor.
I love the Richard Flag videos myself! I agree on the no ULTRA as well. I use 40:1 Red Armor Non Ethanol and it has been very good. I also want to give the Belrays H1R and Schaeffers a try. Thank for the well written comment!
i never understood the divide between stihl and husky guy's at the end of the day a sharp saw is what matters. before i started working in the tree care industry i learned to run a saw cutting firewood with my dad with a husky 455 rancher that we used as basically the only saw for not sure exsactly how long but 10-12 years atleast with no issues and i think only changed 1 spark plug on it ever and that saw still runs fine to this day though its been retired and we ran a 24 inch bar on it as well which is alot for that saw. at work theres 5 saws i use a echo 2511t then the rest are stihl which are the 200t ms261 an 046 and a 066. the 046 and the 200t are mine the otheres are the company's. one big thing atleast where i am is there are no husky dealers that i know of within 50 miles which is a big factor atleast when it comes to why my boss buys stihl. ive also just heard bad things about huskys service shops being a nightmare but thats just through other people so i cant say myself. either way i just wish people would chill out on the brand battles and realize a running chainsaw thats sharp is a fun chainsaw. unless its 100 degrees and im cutting a 4 foot stump with the 066 after climbing the whole day. but hey it cant all be fun and games lol also i agree richard flag makes great video's his latest 400c video he did is one of the best things ive seen in a long time.
@swere1240 you have a great lineup for sure! The Husqvarna dealers are far and few where I am too. With that comes also a lack of experience at the dealers that do exist. Thank you again and hope to see you around!
Im still using my dads old stihl 038 magnum, its a pig but the torque is wicked.
Excellent saw! Thanks for sharing
I have almost a dozen mostly older Stihls in including a very light for it's power 064, and I have an Echo, and a really cool Sachs-Dolmar 122 Super that I enjoy running because it has so much torque but no kick back safety so I act accordingly as Wranglestar might say. I am 54 now and the vibration of the bigger Stihls makes my hands numb. My go to saw has become the Husqvarna 562 because of the anti-vibe and not having to change air filters so often when cutting dead trees, but I still run Stihl chains because I like the way they cut. I hope you are running the same chains on the saws to even things out. I have a West German made 024 AVS that lives in my mountain truck to clear wind blown trees that fall across the roads here in Idaho . I have a soft spot for that saw and I can swap on a 026/MS260 when it finally wears out the cylinder. All saws are cool in my book so long as they run. I even bought a Dewalt 20" battery powered saw for S&Gs and it is better than I expected, but needs an adjustable oiler. It doesn't cut as smoothly as a gas saw, but it cuts surprisingly quick. The batteries just don't last long enough even with a 12 AH battery. Gas is just better.
I really appreciate you sharing all of this! I have never run an 064 but I know many of my viewers really like them. In this video, all the ECHOS were new chains. In a later video, my handfiled (same chain as in this video beat a new chain on the 460. I think my hand filing is pretty good and is not better than a factory grind per say so that means I need to get better. I like battery in a particular scenario. Many people REALLY do not like the battery saws. In terms, of "act accordingly" he is always referring to something else and not proper usage of saws! hahaha
To be more fair, all saws should have had brand new chains, amd equal chains, same brands and type of cut. Obviously a FC chain will cut faster than a SC chain, and all grinds are not identical between chain makers. A freshly ground, brand new chain will also ne more efficient than a chain that has a worn grind
All FC chains and in a later episode my hand filed chains performed better than the new chains... but for consistency, you are 100% correct. Always lots of variables!
Maybe sharpen the chains…they should cut faster.
You just can’t win. When a hand file wins ppl say it is cause hand file is faster, when new chains win, they say sharpen the hand file. If you watch again, you will see the chips coming out the front of the 460.
Farmers are a crappie source of what is a good saw because how little they use them. I have been a timber faller,hooker,rigging slinger, skidder op. Huskies vibrate so much at the end of the day you hurt. Echo is a one year saw under serious use the one that holds up doesn’t vibrate you to death and has the least down time is STIHL
Farmers? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Husqvarna is generally smoother than STIHL. That is only one aspect to a saw.
I think you need to sharpen the husky
I assure they were all sharp. Thanks for watching
The 562xp is definitely no slouch
agreed!
359-560xp 5.5 sec. Cut
Thanks for watching and sharing!