No doubt it would feel like being run over by a truck. Heard a story from a young reenactor in Iraq several years back where they killed an insurgent sneaking in on them. The insurgent was carrying a model 1854 Lorenz. It might be all fun and game hitting the body armor but if it hit a limb, that's a different story.
just watching how deep the chest is compressed.... That's about as deep as you go performing CPR... You will break ribs. It doesn't need to penetrate to pulp up your organs.
I have seen so many videos of folks with modern rifles, scopes, from a seated position at a table with sand rest and they do hit the target. You guys, with old school 19th century muzzle loaders, using Iron sight and from standing positions hit your targets as well as the modern folks did. Good job guys!
The Potsdam and the P1851 might not have penetrated, but you wouldn't be shaking either of them off either. It's a pretty good bet you would be on your back with a couple of broken ribs at the least. I'm curious how a .58 Minie ball would do from something like an Enfield or a 1861 Springfield.
@Egg T took me a bit to figure out what you said. Since the Civil War musket is close enough to the Brown Bess, I'm using this video as basis. The issue is less about penetration than blunt force trauma, which can still be lethal. Thus the need for a vitals plate There's a separate video about bows v kevlar. Hint, bows win
PENTRATION OR NOT WHOEVER WAS WEARING THE ARMOUR WOULD HAVE BEEN IN A WORLD OF HURT FROM THE HEAVY IMPACT AND WEIGHT OF THE BALL-BROKEN BONES, KNOCHED OUT, ETC.
@@KoishiVibin I was just thinking that. I am thinking if it had its plates in it.. the wearer would probably feel it but be saved from the blunt of any real damage. Imagine being a Old time solider. shooting this weird looking person dead in the chest and watching them shrug it off for the most part and return fire with a M4/M16.
@@freed991 I'm honestly pretty sure modern America could solo 1770s the World TM Just like militarily In terms of long time diplomatic economic, we'd probably want to like, drag Canada and maybe Switzerland along
Plate armor of the day was effective against the rifles of the day until the late 1800s. The reason why armor was not widespread in the early 1800s was basically only because of cost and marching weight. Heavy shock cavalry still wore breastplates.
Very interesting probably still make your eyes water even if it didn't go through.that Kevlar armour varies but it's generally designed to stop up to things life .357 Mag and .44 Mag but only from revolvers .357 Mag from a carbine will sail right through and probably through whatever is in it.those musket type guns fire a big projectile with a lot of surface area to slow them down I suppose modern shotgun slugs are the nearest equivalent and they usually stop although those new 20 gauge 3 and a 1/2" magnum sabot rounds seem to go through leaving a very big hole.
Somewhere on youtube, is a civil war muzzel loader, balistic gell test . there are many reasons that over 600,000 people died during the US civil war, those things killed, outright , or made wounds wich medical technology of the day could not fix easily, if at all.
Even with modern medical technology, a human body is a human body, and it didn't change since these times. A guy hit in 2023 by a Minié bullet, given the horrific havocs it did, may survive, of course more than during the Civil war, but probably crippled. When one of your bones has been shattered by this kind of lead toy, the tissues around also badly damaged, there's nothing modern surgery can do, except keep you alive whereas you would have die then. Terrifying
No doubt it would feel like being run over by a truck.
Heard a story from a young reenactor in Iraq several years back where they killed an insurgent sneaking in on them. The insurgent was carrying a model 1854 Lorenz.
It might be all fun and game hitting the body armor but if it hit a limb, that's a different story.
Wait they were re enacting the Iraq war?
@R B ik
Elias Nikols
You are just wrong
It may have stopped those old musket rounds, but the guy wearing that armor certainly would have felt it.
just watching how deep the chest is compressed.... That's about as deep as you go performing CPR... You will break ribs. It doesn't need to penetrate to pulp up your organs.
I did a bit of research. More than 2" depression will result in lethal blunt force trauma...
*Mega OOF*
You would wish you were dead after being shot like that
I have seen so many videos of folks with modern rifles, scopes, from a seated position at a table with sand rest and they do hit the target. You guys, with old school 19th century muzzle loaders, using Iron sight and from standing positions hit your targets as well as the modern folks did. Good job guys!
I can’t imagine the internal damage and broken bones.
Im guessing fatal unless you brought a modern trauma unit w ICU back in time with you
The Potsdam and the P1851 might not have penetrated, but you wouldn't be shaking either of them off either. It's a pretty good bet you would be on your back with a couple of broken ribs at the least. I'm curious how a .58 Minie ball would do from something like an Enfield or a 1861 Springfield.
When the government took your guns and said it s for musket only lol
The P51 smacked the shit out of that fuckin hell
I'm not looking for body protection for time travel in the past, you are
How did you know
Actually, I am doing research for body armor during the musket era for an alternative history. This confirms my research.
@Egg T took me a bit to figure out what you said. Since the Civil War musket is close enough to the Brown Bess, I'm using this video as basis. The issue is less about penetration than blunt force trauma, which can still be lethal. Thus the need for a vitals plate
There's a separate video about bows v kevlar. Hint, bows win
PENTRATION OR NOT WHOEVER WAS WEARING THE ARMOUR WOULD HAVE BEEN IN A WORLD OF HURT FROM THE
HEAVY IMPACT AND WEIGHT OF THE BALL-BROKEN BONES, KNOCHED OUT, ETC.
The armour has been stripped of its hard components, keep this in mind.
@@KoishiVibin I was just thinking that. I am thinking if it had its plates in it.. the wearer would probably feel it but be saved from the blunt of any real damage.
Imagine being a Old time solider. shooting this weird looking person dead in the chest and watching them shrug it off for the most part and return fire with a M4/M16.
@@freed991
I'm honestly pretty sure modern America could solo 1770s the World TM
Just like militarily
In terms of long time diplomatic economic, we'd probably want to like, drag Canada and maybe Switzerland along
The DVD extra features are looking good. And what d'yaknow, the armor worked. I half expected penetration.
that's what she said. ;)
@@JustBCWi why'd you have to go and make it personal?
Plate armor of the day was effective against the rifles of the day until the late 1800s. The reason why armor was not widespread in the early 1800s was basically only because of cost and marching weight. Heavy shock cavalry still wore breastplates.
well time for a trip to the surplus store for a new IOTV. For someone that has to turn his IOTV into CIF on Monday, this made me cringe a bit.
They took this one back! Didn’t even argue too much. I think it’s because it’s the old ACU pattern and they’re probably just throwing them out.
Very interesting probably still make your eyes water even if it didn't go through.that Kevlar armour varies but it's generally designed to stop up to things life .357 Mag and .44 Mag but only from revolvers .357 Mag from a carbine will sail right through and probably through whatever is in it.those musket type guns fire a big projectile with a lot of surface area to slow them down I suppose modern shotgun slugs are the nearest equivalent and they usually stop although those new 20 gauge 3 and a 1/2" magnum sabot rounds seem to go through leaving a very big hole.
Musket rounds are pretty friggin huge.
Did u guys use a mini ball? Cuz that was the most dangerous and the most powerful round used in the Civil War🤷
The minie ball could make an entry hole the size of a thumb, and an exit hole the size of a fist.
Thats why we use plates!
Should try patched steel or brass ball
Be interesting to see the results of giving a few hundred thousand of these out at Waterloo lmao
Somewhere on youtube, is a civil war muzzel loader, balistic gell test . there are many reasons that over 600,000 people died during the US civil war, those things killed, outright , or made wounds wich medical technology of the day could not fix easily, if at all.
Even with modern medical technology, a human body is a human body, and it didn't change since these times. A guy hit in 2023 by a Minié bullet, given the horrific havocs it did, may survive, of course more than during the Civil war, but probably crippled. When one of your bones has been shattered by this kind of lead toy, the tissues around also badly damaged, there's nothing modern surgery can do, except keep you alive whereas you would have die then. Terrifying
That looks equivalent to being hit with a baseball bat at full force (which actually CAN kill you even though it doesn't break the skin)
Well, if it's any comfort, the recoil from the rifle feels almost the same, just more spread out
I wonder now the confederation would react to a moder car with a mashine gun