Thank you and just wonderful. But I must tell you that you upset David Wilber. He has very strong opinions and comments about you in his video answer to this video. I give you so much credit for your knowledge and courage to stand on the truth. My Father would say ,”When you stand on the truth, the rest is easy.” Thank you. I pray for you and your family.
Thanks, Lynn! To David's credit, he reached out to me and we talked privately on the phone for about an hour this week. It was a very friendly and respectful exchange. I believe David loves the Lord and doesn't want anything to do with teaching a false gospel. Of course, he disagrees that what he is teaching challenges the sufficiency of Christ. And while that might make sense within the internal logic of his viewpoint, I just don't believe it aligns with the Bible at all. I told him wish I didn't have to accuse him of such a thing, but I am compelled to call it like I see it. His theology robs the cross of its full atoning power and challenges the sufficiency of Christ. I hope he reconsiders because this is a very important issue. BTW I published an academic paper on this topic: rlsolberg.com/sin-sacrifice-a-response-to-c-m-hegg/ In fact, I'll be going through that paper on my channel tomorrow. Blessings! Rob
Rob, your methodical, logical, and measured approach is a blessing to the Word of God and to new covenant followers and believers of the risen Lord Jesus. This was beautifully and well put together, and I simply want to encourage you to continue in the good works which God has placed before you that you should walk in.
Yes, he's a wonderful teacher. I bought his book "Torahism: Are Christians Required to Keep the Law of Moses?" Great read. Better than Dunn, Sanders, and others, IMO.
@@ScottRachelson777 Rob states that his goal is to find the TRUTH..however his channel states that he is defending his religion…one needs to get the log out of his own eye first…Got Torah Got Truth
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were constrained, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter. - Romans 7:6
Exactly, and if David Wilber and his acolytes say, "released from the law" means released from the requirement to observe its legal provisions only as a means of salvation, then how can serving in the "oldness of the letter" make sense in light of our service to "the newness of the spirit"? what's new about doing the same old thing? How can we be released from an old requirement but still be required to be bound by its legal strictures? That's a new concept of being "released" from something. Wilber Is suggesting we can be "released" and "not released" from something in the same way at the same time. He should release himself from that logical inconsistency.
"Newness of spirit and oldness of the letter" may I ask what exactly do you take away from Matthew 5:17 ESV [17] “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
@othniel…the CONTEXT is that Paul is talking to people who KNOW the LAW..the context is about a MARRIED WOMAN who by LAW Is bound to her HUSBAND as long as he lives but is RELEASED from the LAW concerning her HUSBAND ( she is not released from the LAW ) YHVH divorced Israel and the LAW stated that it is an abomination to remarry the one you divorced…the Messiah died so the WOMAN ( Israel ) could remarry HIM..one of the great mysteries of scripture…but if you are blind to the Torah…the blind will lead the blind right into the ditch…Got Torah Got Truth
@@harryabrahams2770 The metaphor implies that believers are released from the law through the death of Christ. Here is what Adam Clarke writes in his wonderful commentary on Romans 7:6: Verse Romans 7:6. "But now we are delivered from the law - We, who have believed in Christ Jesus, are delivered from that yoke by which we were bound, which sentenced every transgressor to perdition, but provided no pardon even for the penitent, and no sanctification for those who are weary of their inbred corruptions. That being dead wherein we were held - To us believers in Christ this commandment is abrogated; we are transferred to another constitution; that law which kills ceases to bind us; it is dead to us who have believed in Christ Jesus, who is the end of the law for justification and salvation to every one that believes. That we should serve in newness of spirit - We are now brought under a more spiritual dispensation; now we know the spiritual import of all the Mosaic precepts. We see that the law referred to the Gospel, and can only be fulfilled by the Gospel. The oldness of the letter. - The merely literal rites, ceremonies, and sacrifices are now done away; and the newness of the spirit, the true intent and meaning of all are now fully disclosed; so that we are got from an imperfect state into a state of perfection and excellence. We sought justification and sanctification, pardon and holiness, by the law, and have found that the law could not give them: we have sought these in the Gospel scheme, and we have found them. We serve God now, not according to the old literal sense, but in the true spiritual meaning." Roman's 7:4: "Wherefore, my brethren - This is a parallel case. You were once under the law of Moses, and were bound by its injunctions; but now ye are become dead to that law - a modest, inoffensive mode of speech, for, The law, which was once your husband, is dead; God has determined that it shall be no longer in force; so that now, as a woman whose husband is dead is freed from the law of that husband, or from her conjugal vow, and may legally be married to another, so God, who gave the law under which ye have hitherto lived, designed that it should be in force only till the advent of the Messiah; that advent has taken place, the law has consequently ceased, and now ye are called to take on you the yoke of the Gospel, and lay down the yoke of the law; and it is the design of God that you should do so."
@@harryabrahams2770 You are absolutely correct. It is not hard to understand. But….if you don’t have a foundation in scripture you will become Lawless (Torahless) just as 2Peter 3:15-19 predicts.
Great video! My brother is deep in hebrew roots and following Sean Griffith.. im praying your work through scripture will open eyes of all in the hebrew roots movement 🙏
Thankfully I was only in it for a couple of years. I just thought it was a good way to learn more about Jesus that's how it's presented which is a deception because once you get in there, all you do is stay in the Old Testament.
Brother, you've been under some real attack lately so let me be first to say this video is a masterpiece. Your work is invaluable, I admire your diligence and perseverance to study and present truth in an understanble manner, in the face of delusion (sorry if this offends others, my intent isn't to offend but to clearly support my fellow brother in Christ Prof. Solberg). So much prayer and humility has gone into this video. May our Father use it to pierce through hearts of stone and plant seeds. Blessings 🙏🏼
@@TheBiblicalRoots if you’re preaching the gospel of Jesus and the Israelites in the wilderness had the SAME GOSPEL preached to them, could you please explain because something doesn’t add up…Got Torah Got Truth
@@harryabrahams2770 It's simple, the law was to point people to love. It didn't work, as people turned what was meant to instill a changed heart/love into that which was just a "bunch of rules to keep" to appease the Father. We still see this today. God desires mercy not sacrifice. He desires a changed heart. People still don't get it. The actions don't change the heart, rather from a changed heart certain actions will flow. I also want to point out, the tablets of stone (10 commandments) were kept inside the mercy seat, but the extended levitical law (rest of the 613) were kept outside of it. When God says He will write His law on our hearts.... which law did he choose to have on the inside? Just fuel for thought. One is clearly an outside work, the other is an inward change. Blessings
@@harryabrahams2770 you are assuming there's only one gospel. Clearly the gospel preached to Israelites would be different than the one Paul is preaching to Gentiles. which is why there’s a significant difference between something like the book of Hebrews and then something like the book of Galatians. Hebrews speak a lot about the law and sacrifices because the law of Moses was given to Hebrews.
@@harryabrahams2770 The gospel predates even the Israelites, Harry! "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, 'In you shall all the nations be blessed'” (Gal 3:8). RLS
Rob thank you so much for calling out the false gospel that is spreading! May the Holy Spirit use this video to bring people back to the truth that the final sacrifice for sin was in Yeshua the Messiah!
This just a very small token of my appreciation for the depth of insight and clarity that you always provide to us. I believe in the work you are doing, and I am grateful to be able to support it in any way I can. May God continue to bless your ministry and grant you wisdom as you faithfully lead others into deeper understanding of His word. I look forward to learning even more from you in the days to come.
I'm a Torah-keeper but I believe that Yeshua stopped animal sacrifices already. The apostle Paul directs us to be "living sacrifices." Plain and very simple.
Would you consider doing like a three way discussion at some point with Rabbi Eduardo and Seraphim Hamilton on these objections presented by these Torahists so-called “pronomian” guys and the thrust of and the present applicability of the Torah and the doing of the commandments in the life of the faithful today? Maybe you could also touch on the concept of different communities having unique customs within a common faith such as Rabbi Eduardo/Radar Apologetics subscribes to and the Orthodox Churches present on a larger scale? Just like a topical discussion between the three of you and putting your brains together in contrast to these guys. Orthodox Ethos could also be a good voice on the thrust of things and the practical place of the commandments in the Christian life.
Is it possible that pronomian teachers get some things right that mainstream Christianity has twisted (1 Peter 3:15-18)? Cuz that’s where I’m at. I am quite certain (at this point in my journey, of course), after-like a Berean- watching tons of their videos and yours that the 7th day Sabbath, feasts, and dietary instructions are still good behaviors given to us by our Father (like make your bed, clean your room- if you don’t you’re still my Sons and Daughters but my instructions are for your good). I think Hebrew Roots gets a little lost in the sauce on works, and I think mainstream Christianity gets a little wild on the grace is license for antinomianism, screaming “Judaizer” at anything resembling a rule and singing “freedom” like a staunch libertarian anarchist.
Sigh no even mainstream jews like shapiro will say this was only ever for isreal. Real messianic say it's for isreal... God never instructed gentiles to eat clean... Love how all of u just ignore acts and peters vision
@@r.a.panimefan2109 peters vision explained has nothing to do with food But even if you still think did, note v 14… he basically says “I cant eat ANY of this!” And God rebukes him, telling him to not call what God has made clean, ritually impure. You can delve into the Greek to see the 2 terms- akarthos, koinos Jews thought that the cow, deer etc Were made ritually impure by proximity to pigs, reptiles etc And the point of the dream is that Jews aren’t ritually defiled by chillin with Gentiles, so go hang out with Cornelius, Peter! And this is one of those times- if modern Christianity is teaching something that the text literally does not say, can you blame people for the exodus to HR and Torah? Would be awesome if we could find a middle ground. Maybe it’ll be Professor Solberg;)
@@H0n3yc0mb7 I feel bad ur so tricked No it was both. If it was only about people god would not have told him to kill and eat. Eating the foods of the world is part of the fence. Keeping jews seperated I pray ur eyes will open. I once once agreeing with u but if what u say is true then why didn't the lord just tell Peter to go eat with the gentiles. No he told him kill and eat unclean animals. Question what would the gentiles be eating.? Un clean things. It's both and to believe you makes God a lier I pray ull awaken
Wilbur said we will need temporal atonement for sin in future kingdom negating that Christ sacrificw removed sin once for all and was complete and sufficient. The question is Wilber if Christ removed sin why will we need temporary coverings for sin in future?
Specifically, David said (in a speech bubble type thing toward the end of his video) that those without resurrected bodies could need temporal atonement.
@@XavierPutnam I just watched the video last night and he talked about believers needing temporary covering for sin to draw near God in the temple he believes will be rebuilt. Also the only atonement for sin unbelievers would be for them to trust in the atonement of Christ. Now in this life. No other atonement for sin for anyone but through Christ.
Paul was right in Galatians...some people want the security blanket of working towards salvation and not recognizing their complete unworthiness of the gift of salvation. I get it...its hard to truly humble yourself.
@@dre5773 Today faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ is what saves you. True faith is revealed by the fruit of that faith which is why James says faith without works is dead. Works, if done for the glory of God and not for the world, will reap rewards while dead works will burn away. As to hell? God will judge each person but its clear the wages of sin is death and only Jesus' work can pay the price for sin.
@@JJFrance When we say things like "gospel" and "sin" how do we define them may be the key. I totally agree with faith producing fruit based on James and Hebrews. So then with Jesus being the once and for all sacrifice is repentance necessary every time you sin and if you fail to repent once, can this lead to eternal separation? If the answer is yes then continous belief accompanied by works/ repentance is necessary. What defines sin? Transgression of the law?
Thanks for the video. Several responses, not necessarily in any order. First, it looks like David likes to redefine religious terms to his own definition. In the past, it was antinomian, which he defines incorrectly. Now, it is supersessionism. If he is willingly redefining established terms, how is anyone to believe the rest of what he states. Second, in leaning on Ezekial's Temple scripture, you then have a conflict with Isaiah's visions of Jerusalem and highway. Both also conflict with John's vision in Revelation. Assuming a premillennial position for a moment (not necessarily given), you have two viewpoints (historical or dispensational). In the Dispensational viewpoint, Christians are not on earth during millennial (OBTW - John MacAuthor is dispensational), then it isn't Christians worshipping in the new Temple. In the historic viewpoint, again, it traditionally isn't Christians worshipping in the temple, but since Isaiah speaks of Egyptians worshipping it does mean Gentiles coming to the temple. Does that mean the law has changed? To me, it would, which speaks against David's position. If you take the other end times millennial viewpoints, they take Ezekiel's temple as figurative, along with Isaiah and lean to John's vision at the end of Revelation as to when we worship with Jesus. That vision specifically states that in the New Jerusalem, there is no temple, and thus no sacrifices. This is because sacrifices require an alter and a temple. Third, doesn't the Levitical Law concerning atonement require the ark and mercy seat. How did Israel carry out upon return from Babylon since the ark had disappeared. I don't recall anything in 2nd Chronicles describing building a new ark. So, therefore, after exile, the law changed by default since there was no longer an ark for the High Priest to sprinkle blood. David doesn't address this. Finally, in both David's response and in Caleb Hegg's discussion with Andrew Schumacher on your question, even though both are trinitarian, I find both seem to miss out on the work of the Holy Spirit. Upon Pentecost, we as Christians have God dwelling with and in us via the Holy Spirit. This is Spiritual. As the OT states, God cannot dwell in unclean, unholy places, yet Pentecost and other NT writings clearly talks of Holy Spirit dwelling in us. The only way for God to dwell within us via the Holy Spirit is if we are first made clean (i.e., sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross). It seems to me both are denying the Holy Spirit. The unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I am concerned when the third person of the trinity is downgraded and I believe both David and Caleb are in danger of this. A follow on question for Hebrew Roots is whether they believe the Holy Spirit indwells believers? To me, it is the Spirit who brings us to believe. As Jesus told Nicademus, one must be born of Spirit. To many Hebrew Roots, I find what they believe is both Hebrews and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a future occurrence and not present. Yet, how is it we come to believe without God drawing us to him via the Holy Spirit? On our own, we cannot come to God. I always go back to the 1st Question of the Westminster Catechism. What is the chief end of man? To know God and enjoy him forever. This is both for now and the future, not just the future.
Check out NT scholar GK Beale and his book on mystery where he shows all those Old Testament prophecies talking about the nations taking on the covenant badges to become grafted into Israel in the latter days is fulfilled in the New Testament - Ephesians chapter 2 and 3 show that the mystery is not only that gentiles and Jews become the one new man but also in the manner that it is accomplished- through faith in Christ- not the covenantal badges like in the OT. This is the mystery described in Ephesians 2 & 3.
I have a question about what John MacArthur said, so my question is if sin and death is the last enemy to be tossed into the lake of fire therefore no more deaths period then how will animals symbolically die then , maybe you are answering this in the video but I'm only curious?
I believe the idea for MacArthur’s view is that the animal sacrifices will occur during the Millennium, and the end of death will happen after that, in the new heavens and new earth. RLS
Sound heremenutical prinicipal intepret obscure passages in light of plain passages. We do not intepret Hebrews through obscure prophecy of EZ. Hebrews is plain and clear no more sacrifice for sin. So EZ cant be teaching sin sacrifices for atonement after Christ sacrifice
@TheBiblicalRoots Here is a very legitimate question(s). And, please, by these questions, don't presume that you know what I believe or think. If the Mosaic Law has been done away with, why do these two things take place involving New Covenant writers. 1. Why does the New Covenant writer, the Apostle John, define sin as a "transgression of the law"? 2: Why do the New Covenant writers authoritatively and prolifically quote the Old Covenant Scriptures when telling New Covenant Believers how to live life for their Messiah?
Great teaching Professor Rob! I have a question though, is it possible that not only Lancaster but John MacArthur (whom i greatly love and admire) are both wrong? Is it possible that the descriptions of the millennial kingdom are only symbolic? What I mean is, when Jesus refers to believers as the "body of Christ" He doesn't mean that we literally become molecules in His physical body but that it's symbolic of our relationship with Him. So, in Ephesians 2:19-22 Paul describes US as being built together into a Holy Temple to the Lord in the Spirit. Also, Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6:19 that we (believers) are a temple for the Holy Spirit. As far as sacrifices are concerned, Paul exhorts us in Romans 12 to present our bodies as a LIVING sacrifice. I'm curious, I'd just love to know your thoughts on this. May God bless and continue this great work!
Hi Paul. Yes, that sounds a lot like the view called *amillennialism,* which teaches that the "millennium" mentioned in Revelation 20 is symbolic, not a literal 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth. Instead, it views the millennium as the current church age, where Christ reigns spiritually through the church. Amillennialists believe the Second Coming of Christ, the final judgment, and the establishment of the new heavens and earth will all occur at the end of this age, without a future, earthly millennial kingdom. Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots thanks Professor Rob! I don't consider myself an Amillennialist but that seems to make the most sense of the language regarding the temple. Maybe that would make a worthy topic to go into more detail about on one of your teachings, if so, I would greatly appreciate it! I've actually thought about it in that way for quite some time!
"For on this day shall atonement be made for you to cleanse you. You shall be clean before the Lord from all your sins" (Lev. 16:30). Those sacrifices brought the actual atonement (covering or cleansing) of sins, but only temporarily. Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots so no, right? My question was about remission, Christ’s atonement is described as achieving remission in Hebrews. Remission is to remove. Christ’s atoning work completely removes sin eternally. None of the Temple/Tabernacle sacrifices were ever intended nor were they ever claimed to accomplish this. With all due respect brother the simple fact that the Apostles participated in temple sacrifices after the resurrection of our Lord is reason enough for one to pause and really give your position careful thought. I understand how you feel about the whack jobs that infest the so-called “Hebrew roots movement “ but it is not at all helpful to paint any and every “Torah pursuant” Christian with solid biblical doctrine, with the same broad brushstrokes as the nutcases.
@@sergloera Some translations use the English word "remission" to translate the Greek word ἄφεσις (aphesis), which means "pardon, forgiveness." Which is why many other translations use the English word "forgiveness." For example, Hebrews 10:18: "Where there is _aphesis_ (forgiveness, pardon, remission) of these, there is no longer any offering for sin." I agree with you that the sacrifice of Jesus achieved enteral forgiveness of sin for all who place their faith in Him, whereas the Torah's sin sacrifices on Yom Kippur only provided temporary forgiveness and had to be repeated. Rob
If what you're saying is true, and what they're saying is false, why does Paul submit to going to the temple to make offerings I'm acts 21? Although he was not going to make a sin offering its still a sacrifice..? Also - you say Torah is not mandatory but not banned... So when the 3rd temple is erected - we can still offer Thanksgiving offerings, grain offerings, and all other offerings that are not relevant to sin? Or would you make a ministry against that as well?
Yes, animal sacrifices are still required for the atonement of sin… The continued requirement for *animal sacrifices* during the *Millennial Kingdom* is grounded in a *comprehensive understanding* of *Jesus’ role as High Priest* in the *Order of Melchizedek* (Hebrews 7:17). While His death on the cross provided the *final sacrifice for eternal salvation*, it is critical to understand that His ascension into the *heavenly tabernacle* (Hebrews 9:11-12) marked the beginning of His *ongoing priestly ministry*, not the end of the sacrificial system. Jesus, as High Priest, ministers continually in the *heavenly sanctuary*, performing priestly duties that include overseeing the system of *atonement*, which remains rooted in the *shedding of blood* (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22). - *Ezekiel 40-48* provides a detailed vision of the *Millennial Temple*, where *sin offerings* and *guilt offerings* are reinstated under the reign of Christ. These sacrifices are not simply memorials-they are essential for the *ongoing atonement* of *ritual impurity* and sins committed during the Millennial reign. While Christ’s death was sufficient to provide *eternal salvation* for believers, the *Mosaic Law* mandates that blood sacrifices remain the *means of atonement* in the *physical realm* (Leviticus 17:11). - *Zechariah **14:16**-19* and *Isaiah 56:6-7* confirm that *sacrifices* will be a central part of worship in the *Millennial Kingdom*, further establishing that the system of atonement through *animal sacrifices* will not be obsolete, but reactivated under the direct *oversight of Christ*. - *Hebrews 7:24-25* clearly states that Christ’s priesthood is *eternal* and that He continually makes *intercession* for humanity. His death on the cross was necessary to enable Him to serve as *High Priest* in the *heavenly tabernacle* (Hebrews 8:1-5). However, this priestly role includes *ongoing sacrifices* in the *earthly realm*, as revealed in Ezekiel’s prophecy. Jesus, like the priests of old, mediates between God and humanity, ensuring that *earthly atonement* is provided through the *physical shedding of blood*. - This does not contradict the finality of Christ’s sacrifice for *eternal salvation* (Hebrews 9:12). Instead, His *heavenly ministry* complements the *earthly atonement* system, where *animal sacrifices* are still required to maintain *ritual purity* and *physical atonement*. As *High Priest*, Jesus presides over both realms-the *spiritual*, where His blood is the ultimate sacrifice, and the *physical*, where animal sacrifices fulfill the legal and ceremonial requirements set forth by God. - The *principle of atonement*through blood is an *eternal law* given by God in *Leviticus 17:11* and this law does not expire with the coming of Christ but is fulfilled and extended through His *priestly oversight*. *Hebrews 9:22* reaffirms this, stating, "Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins." Therefore, in the *physical realm*, where sin and impurity still exist during the *Millennial Kingdom*, blood sacrifices remain necessary for atonement. - *Jeremiah 33:17-18* explicitly states that the *Levitical priesthood* and *sacrifices* will continue forever as part of God’s covenant with Israel. This prophecy directly points to the *continuation of the sacrificial system* during the Millennium, where animal sacrifices will be offered under the *High Priestly ministry of Christ*, ensuring that the *Mosaic Law* remains fully upheld. - Christ’s death on the cross provided the ultimate *spiritual atonement* for the sins of humanity, securing eternal salvation for those who believe. However, the *physical world* continues to be subject to sin, and as long as there is sin in the *Millennial Kingdom*, the requirement for *physical atonement* through *blood sacrifices* remains valid. Christ, as the *High Priest*, administers both the *spiritual atonement* in heaven and the *physical atonement* on earth, which includes animal sacrifices in the *Millennial Temple*. - The *earthly sacrifices* during the Millennium do not diminish the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice but instead serve to uphold the *eternal principle* of God’s law in the *physical realm*, ensuring that both realms are in perfect *spiritual and legal harmony* under Christ’s priestly oversight. Some might argue that Christ’s *once-for-all sacrifice* (Hebrews 10:10) makes further sacrifices obsolete. However, this argument misunderstands the dual nature of Christ’s *priestly ministry*. His sacrifice was indeed sufficient for *eternal redemption*, but *animal sacrifices* during the Millennium serve a *different function*-providing atonement for *ongoing sin* and *ritual impurity* in the *physical world*. These sacrifices are not in competition with Christ’s work; they are *extensions* of His *ongoing intercessory role* as the *High Priest*. - Additionally, *Hebrews 8:5* reminds us that the *earthly system* is a *shadow* of the *heavenly reality*. The *Millennial Temple* and its sacrifices are *reflections* of Christ’s *priestly work* in heaven, ensuring that atonement is fully carried out both spiritually and physically. *Animal sacrifices* during the *Millennial Kingdom* are essential for *atonement* because they uphold the eternal principle of *blood sacrifice * laid down in *Leviticus 17:11*. Jesus, as the *eternal High Priest* in the *Order of Melchizedek*, presides over both the *spiritual realm*, where His once-for-all sacrifice secures *eternal salvation*, and the *physical realm*, where *animal sacrifices* fulfill the *ongoing requirements of atonement* during His millennial reign. The reintroduction of sacrifices in *Ezekiel 40-48*, supported by *Zechariah 14* and *Jeremiah 33*, ensures that God’s law is fully upheld under Christ’s authority, harmonizing the *heavenly* and *earthly* aspects of His *priestly ministry*. These sacrifices, far from diminishing Christ’s work, are part of His *divinely ordained duty* to ensure that atonement continues for *ritual purity* and *sin in the earthly realm*
Ezekiel's temple is a symbolic vision not a literal future temple. I believe Ezekiel's temple is prophetic imagery and not literal. It has a two fold meaning. On one hand it symbolizes the coming (in Ezekiel's day) Church that Christ will establish in the first century and it's growth through the gospel going out to the nations that will start like a small stream of water and eventually grow into a massive river that will cover the world. As described in the last part of Ezekiel's vision. Ezekiel 47:1 NKJV [1] Then he brought me back to the door of the temple; and there was water, flowing from under the threshold of the temple toward the east, for the front of the temple faced east; the water was flowing from under the right side of the temple, south of the altar. These verses show that this temple is highly symbolic and not literal. Also referencing the knowledge of the Lord covering the earth like the seas. Christ and the gospel is the water, we are the temple and the living water is coming out of the temple (Christ's body, the church) to all the nations like a flowing river to cover the earth. But I also believe the blueprint of the temple and it's perfect structure and temple service was a call to repentance for Israel, to expose their shame and cause them to repent, as shown in the following verses: “As for you, son of man, describe to the house of Israel the temple, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and they shall measure the plan. And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple, its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, that is, its whole design; and make known to them as well all its statutes and its whole design and all its laws, and write it down in their sight, so that they may observe all its laws and all its statutes and carry them out. This is the law of the temple: the whole territory on the top of the mountain all around shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple. Ezekiel 43:10-12 The blueprints are a call to repentance in my opinion not for building a literal temple. If anything it's about telling Israel they need to prepare themselves for the coming Messiah and His kingdom. Not to mention Christ said we no longer worship in temples on mountains, but in spirit and truth.
Hey Pip, would you like to explain how Partial Preterism fits with the resurrection happening a fixed time period after the abomination of desolation? I'm still waiting for an answer. Also, you took a few paragraphs here to say you "believe" x, y, z about Ezekiel's temple, but didn't give exegesis. Saying that water coming out of the temple proves it's symbolic does not make it such. I think you're filtering the text through your false doctrine of Partial Preterism.
Anglican here. No hebrew roots tendencies and firmly convinced that gentiles do not need to keep God's laws for Israel. Nonetheless, there are some real problems here. Soldberg's use of David Rudolph to suggest Messianic Jews do not believe in ongoing Torah obedience is easily as clumsy as Wilber's appropriation of MacArthur. The idea that Jesus' apostles might have selectively participated in non-atoning korbanot while conscientiously skipping the atoning ones misconstrues the temple system fundamentally. The morning and evening tamid functions as a perpetual olah (burnt offering), so every other korban - even the mincha and todah which lend meaning to the eucharist - is offered on the undying coals of a whole burnt offering. If that wasn't enough to demonstrate that atonement is the daily cost of hosting the divine presence, Yom Kippur proves that NO sacrifice can grace the altar - whether the focus of that particular korban is atonement or something else - unless the altar itself is atoned for regularly. To participate in the altar at all is to participate in the work of Yom Kippur. If this was not enough to prove that the temple worship is irreducibly atoning, consider that the blood of every korban - sin offering or not - is poured out upon the altar; an act whose invariable meaning is clearly spelled out in scripture. Not all korbanot are focused on atonement but all participate in it and rely upon it. If Soldberg if going to conflate the work of present age temple atonement with that of the Messiah's conscience-cleansing atonement which bears his disciples into the age to come, thereby pitting the 2 complementary concepts against each other, he should focus on that tall order and not hedge his bets with the notion that the apostles could hypothetically have participated in the Temple avodah in a non-atoning manner.
I like this 'If Soldberg if going to conflate the work of present age temple atonement with that of the Messiah's conscience-cleansing atonement which bears his disciples into the age to come, thereby pitting the 2 complementary concepts against each other, he should focus on that tall order and not hedge his bets with the notion that the apostles could hypothetically have participated in the Temple avodah in a non-atoning manner."
@TheBiblicalRoots - For those that have asked about Hebrew Manuscripts of the NT, here is a link to an episode with Nehemiah Gordon about His work with those manuscripts. And remember, this was 4 years ago. ua-cam.com/video/WO_mLthgqQg/v-deo.html
Acts reveals the transition of the religion that had two covenants at the same time, the traditions of the Mosaic Law carried on until AD70, when the temple was destroyed.
I just don’t understand the sarcasm and name calling I see in comments from both sides. I just wonder what non Christian’s would think walking into this discussion and see us belittling and calling each other names. I doubt they would stay long enough to find out about the love of Christ.
I just read through all the comments specifically searching for "sarcasm" & "name calling" - re: your accusations - & found not one instance. What then shall we conclude of your false accusations evidently made without a proper investigation immediately prior?
@@kimartist my reference wasn’t just to this video. If you happen to read through comments on any of these videos or Facebook posts on any of these teachings, you’ll find it. But to be fair maybe I should have worded it as snide or rude comments.
@@claywise43 You made your comment here, so one can only assume that you meant to reference comments here? After all, no one person can expect to be held to account for all comments made everywhere & sundry & it is highly unreasonable for you to suggest such. And when, upon investigation, no such comments are found to exist in THIS comment section, but rather highly intellectual, respectful dialogue amongst sometimes agreeing/sometimes dissenting peers, again I ask: What must one conclude about you?
Zechariah and Elizabeth kept their the law blameless. Luke 1:6 Paul says he’s blameless according to the righteousness of the law. Phillipians 3:6. Christians can’t really believe the law is done away with or that NO ONE can keep it. It’s in your book!
@kevinprokopich1083 To f/u, since everyone’s(Jew and gentile) sins were washed away (atoned for) (which is how one is saved) by the blood of Jesus through faith, what did the blood of animals accomplish? (Since the sin sacrifices of animals were never intended to wash away sins for the accomplishment of eternal right standing with God) Thank you so much for your thorough and thoughtful message! I greatly appreciate the care you put into it
Rob, this is an excellent video you have put together. Thank you for using the firm and direct language that you have used to refer to these disgusting Hebrew roots teachings.
Thank you for the video, it was long but I enjoyed it. I am someone who observes the dietary parts of the Law (Or Torah), so I did disagree with some things. But you are absolutely correct about Jesus (Or Yeshua) sacrifice being once and for all. By saying animal sacrifices will be brought back, that is basically invalidating the entire New Testament, and is a dangerous theology. I don't think there will be another temple in the millennium (I am a historic premillennialist), and instead think Ezekiel's prophecy was conditional. Somewhere he does mention that if the Israelites obeyed, then the temple would be built. In Ezra and Nehemiah they clearly violated God's commands, which prevented it from being built. Sin still needs the sacrifice of blood to be atoned for, but now that is Jesus' Blood, and not animals. Same thing with circumcision, it was succeeded by baptism. I do believe the Law (Torah) is still in effect. Leviticus mentions blood being needed for sin's atonement, that wasn't destroyed, Jesus fulfilled it. Leviticus sacrificial system wasn't abolished, rather Jesus basically gave it an infinite supply (If that makes sense). Places like Leviticus 18 and 20 are obviously still in effect, and I believe that Leviticus 11 is too. Though we might disagree on Leviticus 11. You were spot on about David Wilber being wrong about animal sacrifices. I might not agree with all of your points, but you still were right a lot, and I still enjoyed it. Anyway thank you for the great video, and have a blessed day!
Sean Griffin is to blame for this heresy. These Hebrew Roots people deny the Son. I see nothing wrong with observing the true Sabbath and Passover. Those are clearly still observed in Acts and the Epistles. And we should not eat unclean meat. But denying the work of Jesus is a bridge too far.
@@G.S.Holland Hey, David does not deny Christ's sacrifice, he's explained that the animal sacrifices and Jesus' sacrifice have different functions. They don't provide the same thing for mankind.
@@thechronicillnessdiaries2773 I have to disagree, I think Sean does denigrate the sacrifice of Christ by teaching that his literal death did not take away our sin as it relates to salvation. I agree, that Christ is God's created & begotten son though
@@AmaniiRoy you saying "David does not deny Christ's sacrifice, he's explained that the animal sacrifices and Jesus' sacrifice have different functions. They don't provide the same thing for mankind." Not only tells us that David denies Christ's sacrifice, it also tells us so do you -- Sucks for you
Animal sacrifice existed with Jews was due to marriage still exists within family members when God had stopped it giving laws unto Moses. Marriage with brothers and sisters of the same parents---a symbolic of animal life kingdom---till Jesus had to come and replaces the animal kingdom life into human kingdom life of godly law The book of song of songs proves the animal life kingdom exists. Worst of worst was with the gentiles of the manifestation of the animal life kingdom in them till Jesus came--- made them become human.
Rob ANOTHER example of Bable speak, when you add language of bias Adoms ie man it all turns to babble of differant languages... Follow Messiah! That Means HIS ways, not that of the lawless religions ...
Rob, so glad your doing this. With all the push back from our brothers and sisters in the Torah movement, you still keep going. Keep fighting the good fight. God is with you my brother, and His Gospel will prevail. By grace through faith in Christ we’re saved, not by works will we enter His rest, by His grace through faith ‘alone’. Don’t give up. Keep swinging! 🥊🥊🥊 😊
What an awesome conclusion at the end. I hope people will not just skip through the video like David Wilbur said he did, in his comment, but I hope they will really listen and hear the parts they want to brush over. Well done brother.
@@akb9107 Indeed, and it's clear Mr. Wilbur didn't diligently listen to this 😔 given his embaressing "rebuttal" if it can be called that, released this morning. I'm not saying this toward David on a personal level, rather I generally wonder why anyone would bother making a rebuttal video if they don't address the points made/watch the initial video to begin with? To cut out a small snippet of what someone says, and disregard everything else is hardly refuting anything. As one of my favourite quotes says: "We can do all things through a verse (or quote) out of context" Blessings 🙏🏼
Well done. I am a little amazed that people can't just read the Bible and see it. It is so clear. That Christ fulfilled the Atonement is stated plainly time after time in the Bible. There is a reason they only quote part of the verse, do not think I have come to abolish the Law", without the rest, "but to fulfill it".
On ya Robsta! Best presentation and rebuttal in my opinion you've ever done‼️ Keep on punching for the finished work of the cross, I'm praying for you! This clip clearly revealed a dishonest representation of your consistent biblical stance by David. Proud of you and your ministry! Bless ya heaps! Al.
Rob Rob Rob... Great job in pointing out his teaching will condemn him. It's so important that him and his students that want to be different and hate the typical way of Christianity,(which only shows it's their egos), their false gospels will cause people to stumble because their teaching really comes down to a work based salvation. Robbing God of his TRUE sacrifice.
Thanks for the teaching! 🙏 When one understands that the temple in Ezekiel was a description of the "potential" second temple and it's fulfillment was conditional on Israel's response to the prophet one has no more problems with these future sin sacrifices. We can also discard this idea of a literal future temple being built in which clearly sin sacrafice are being offered. Ezekiel 43:10-11 [10]Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern. [11]And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them. We know that the nation was not repentant and that only about 50 000 returned to rebuild the temple. Hope this helps 🙏
I was going to comment the same thing. It is the Temple that never was. Gotta notice the "IF" statement. God's promises often have conditions and if they are not met, the promise does not come to pass. I pray Solberg will study this out. I learned about this from Steve Gregg and I would love for Solberg to have Steve on his show to discuss. It is very important.
I hadn’t considered this. I’m going to look into this more. It really would completely destroy their entire premise that because it will be done again in the future, that supports “keeping Torah” until we have one again.
I believe Ezekiel's temple is the Millenial temple still to come. We have the measurements so we shouldn't be fooled by the third temple that the AC will sit in
@@seanvann1747 So you think that if Israel had repented, the second temple would have had water flowing out of its side that went to heal the nations, restore the Dead Sea, etc., all before the Messiah came? That doesn’t make any sense.
The New Testament writers were very clear on this. One example is in Revelation 22, where the chapter begins with a depiction of a pure river of water of life flowing from the throne and having trees of life with leaves for healing on either side of it, corresponding to Ezekiel's river in chapter 47. How we can know this is not some future river? Because the Spirit and the bride say come and drink from the water of life, meaning, it is already readily and freely available now, not some future thing to await. Anything short of seeing Ezekiel's visions as being fulfilled is as you say, a false gospel. Bless you
Debating with Hebrew Roots people seems like throwing pearls before swine. I know a couple that got caught up in it and all that they want to do is argue and sit back in judgement against other Christians.
I agree with you up to a point, Joe. There is no profit in arguing for the sake of arguing. But when it comes to teachers who have ministries that are influencing people I believe a direct approach is needed. These are wolves among the sheep. And I believe God raises up sheepdogs in every generation whose duty is to take a stand and expose them. "We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ" (2 Cor. 10:5). Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Rob, by this comment, do you mean to label David Wilber a wolf among the sheep? Or are you not referring to him, but others? Just clarifying.
This video is getting me excited to talk with you later this month. We will definitely have some interesting similarities and differences to discuss. You are absolutely correct that the animal sin sacrifices do not fit in the New Covenant.
@@ScottRachelson777maybe this: And all its fat he shall burn on the altar, like the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings. So the priest shall make atonement for him for his sin, and he shall be forgiven. - Leviticus 4:26 It isn’t a question of if animal sacrifices atoned for sin. That’s clear. The question is how do we understand that atonement in light of Christ’s atonement.
@@TheBeginningOfWisdom I agree with your position. I have never not agreed with it. I'm Jewish and I use to go to the Messiah Conference in PA. I also attended Jan Rosenberg's Messianic Congregation in NJ. The congregants used to confuse me about what exactly their position on the Law of Moses and its sacrifices were. It always seemed like they were being circumlocutory and discursive in their phrasing and framing of their positions and arguments.
@@TheBeginningOfWisdom I understand "atonement in light of Christ's sacrifice" as follows: 1. The Law of Moses set Israel apart from the world, establishing how the nation was to conduct itself differently from the Gentile nations. It served as a testimony to God's holiness and moral requirements. 2. The Law acted as our tutor, leading us to Christ by revealing how burdensome it is to live under its strict demands. It demonstrated the weight of trying to achieve righteousness through human effort. 3. The Law was a shadow of heavenly realities, foreshadowing the ultimate and perfect sacrifice of Christ. Its rituals and sacrifices pointed to the greater reality of Jesus’ atoning work.
There will be no physical temple in the millenia - Rev 21:22 "I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple"
Hey Rob, considering that David is busy and doesn't have time to discuss with you. Why don't you reach out to Caleb Hegg? He said he's attempted to contact you for a discussion. I'm curious as to why you won't discuss it with someone who isn't busy and has had talks with Andrew Schumacher
It would seem to me that Mr. Wilber missed the larger point. If you think believers still have to live by the Law where does that end? If you follow living by the Law for righteousness you must conduct animal sacrifices, and that negates the once for all sacrifice of Jesus. He is trying to defend the need for animal sacrifice, which is what your question exposes.
@@surethabadenhorst Ok, got it. When you say fulfilled I believe you mean "done" am I correct? If so, then we are looking at fulfilled differently there in Matthew 5:17 I'm assuming. I'm not sure what you use for study tools but if you happen to use Strong's Exhaustive Concordance the word that the translators translated to "fulfill" is Strongs G4137. Here's what is says: From pleres; to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc. Notice most if not all of these definitions are referring to making something whole. This would make sense as he says "law and prophets". So how does he fulfil the prophets? Well prophecies spoken of him was completed and fully realized, but of course not all prophecies of him have been completed obviously. Likewise we were missing the point of the law which is the spirit of the law, christ brought full realization by teaching about the hearts condition verses just "thou shalt" and "thou shalt not". If you notice with the Pharisees in Matthew 23 he even says to listen to them but just don't emulate them because they are hypocrites. He mentions also that they are clean on the outside but dirty on the inside. I know this was alot to read but just wanted to qualify our positions before wasting too much time misunderstanding eachother. So long story short I believe Christ "added" to the law to make in complete...he himself and his revelation as the word is what the law needed.
The Vision of Ezekiel testifies to the facts in Hebrews 13, and 1 Peter 2:5. Ezekiel writes that the sin offering is a memorial, on the wonderful decoration that lasts forever and ever. A peaceful and pleasant smell forever. If you will note the detail, The sin offering here is to purify the alter, and atone for the sins of the alter eternally. Compare that to the instructions given to the Levite priests, which clearly show that sin offerings were to atone for the sins of the person, and to purify the worshipper. The vision of the future of Israel shows a constant offering of pleasure, with a memorial sacrifice taking place forever that indicates that Sin is on the alter and done away with forever, yet the memory is to remain and be ministered by the sons of Zadok
Thank you for all your videos! I have a brother who is neck-deep in this movement. By some strange way, the theological disagreement devolved into my brother deciding to cut off family ties. But by God’s sovereign grace and providence, through the turmoil, other family members have understood and witnessed the dangers of tampering with the gospel.
Hebrews 10:17 “And their sins and their lawless deeds I will no longer remember [Jeremiah 31:34].” 18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, an offering for sin is no longer. (NASB) Hebrews 10:26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has ignored the Law of Moses is put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay [Deuteronomy 32:35].” And again, “The Lord will judge His people [Deuteronomy 32:36].” 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (NASB)
The HRM just does not get the fact that they are not supposed to follow the gospel of the kingdom but follow the gospel of grace. They will have to endure to the end of the tribulation or be martyred to see their salvation
I find it interesting that David says he is too busy to have a chat with you….but not too busy to make lame rebuttal videos made of straw men and bad argumentation.
It is hard for HR people to understand the nuances because the lense in which they view things is very carnal(carnally minded Romans 8). They obsess over the letter and miss the spiritual, also they tend to be hyper-literal. Their minds are stayed on the carnal aspects of the law so they have a veil over their eyes to the nuances/spiritual.
This is facts. Also why people like Sean Griffin have gone soooo far off course and made completely new heretical interpretations of the Bible through his carnal hyper literal lens. Jesus performing animal sacrifices in heaven? Anyone who believes anything he says definitely has a veil.
Can you go over why Paul was going to go through with a Nazarite vow (that is commanded to include a sin sacrifice and purification process) before he was arrested in the temple? Why would James the leader of the church tell him to do that to show he was not teaching apostasy since these men knew the gospel? Surely these men did not believe animal sin sacrifice was for salvation right. Was Paul supporting a false gospel?
Paul said he does it all for the gospel! "Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." (1 Cor 9:19-23) RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots why would he have to “act” as if he was going to do a sin sacrifice to the leaders of the church? He would be doing what he taught not to do in Galatians 2 which is appeal to and fear authority ( his fellow Jewish brothers). This was all after he written the majority of his letters and took lashes and was getting kicked out of synagogues and cities by Jews and gentiles.
By the way event in Acts 21, if for existing believers and not unbelievers, to show Paul was not against or teaching contrary the law. So your verse doesn’t work in this context since all the people already had the gospel.
@@kimartist it’s because Christians try to act like Jews and don’t really know what they’re talking about. It’s the same way you believe lies, like Jesus being God, when he never claimed to be, said to teach he is, or that it’s any part of salvation. Christians are pretty clueless. They go off man’s teachings.
I'd argue that this section is telling us not to go to the actual Temple: Hebrews 13:13-15- "Therefore let us go to him OUTSIDE THE CAMP and bear the reproach he endured. For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come. Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name."
Isaiah 58:13 (KJV) If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words: Isaiah 66:23 (KJV) And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD. Ezekiel 46:4 (KJV) And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day [shall be] six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish. Ezekiel 46:12 (KJV) Now when the prince shall prepare a voluntary burnt offering or peace offerings voluntarily unto the LORD, [one] shall then open him the gate that looketh toward the east, and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, as he did on the sabbath day: then he shall go forth; and after his going forth [one] shall shut the gate. You are incorrect. There is but one people of GOD . Any that obey HIS laws . Nothing complicated. Simple common sense . It only gets complicated when people like you and the Pharisee try to teach . The Pharisee added to the law . People like you take away from the law .
Hi Rob, thanks for the rebuttal. Not sure when I'll get time to watch the whole thing, but I did skip around to the part where you accused me of teaching a false gospel for agreeing with the scholarly consensus regarding the purpose of the Torah's sin sacrifices. Quick question: did Paul belittle the glorious, once and for all sacrifice of Jesus when he endorsed the giving of sin sacrifices at the temple in Acts 21? (Hope you won't delete this comment like you did the last time I commented on one of your videos.)
I'm curious why neither of you make your arguments about words such as "fulfill" from the Greek word underlying it. Surely there is a clue about what it actually means, eh?
@@tbishop4961 I literally wrote an entire book titled “How Jesus Fulfilled the Law” lol. I do get into the Greek quite a bit. Let me know what you think if you decide to check it out.
@@DavidWilberBlog I'm not a student of greek. But I do study hebrew. I notice that frequently English speaking Christians will argue a point about a scripture from an English word where the underlying hebrew words do not support the direction they want to take it
I'd suggest taking an elementary course on language and logic 101. In what way does a "once for all" sacrifice harmonize with a renewal of temple sacrifices in the future? You seem to be engaging in conceptual gerrymandering by tinkering with the usual understanding of what 'once for all' means.
Ezekiel 40-48 does not mention a roof. So this temple, if we take it literally and physically will have no roof. Rather, we should understand this in lot of the New Testament, which states that Christ‘s body is the temple and we believers are the temple today because the spirit dwells in us and then look at the imagery of revelation 21 through 22 and compared to Ezekiel 40-48 and how it is full of edenic imagery pointing to the New heaven and earth.
30:00 - why does this have to be “in the millennium”? Ezekiel may as well be talking about the second temple that was actually built in fifth century BC?? To think that Ezekiel saw passed the second coming of Christ is just fantasy as far as I’m concerned.
@@kimartist - I went ahead and read Ez 40-48 again to refresh myself. It’s clearly not talking about Jesus’s reign as it says: “On that day the prince shall provide for himself and all the people of the land a young bull for a sin offering.” Ezekiel 45:22 ESV It also talks about how to transfer the land of the Prince to his offspring. Whoever this Prince is leader of the People so if that is Jesus, he is making sacrifice for himself and actually having physical offspring. It’s ludicrous! What this looks like to me is a sort of “reimagining of what Israel could have had” had they been faithful, a taunt rather than a promise. Notice how it opens: “And the man said to me, “Son of man, look with your eyes, and hear with your ears, and set your heart upon all that I shall show you, for you were brought here in order that I might show it to you. Declare all that you see to the house of Israel.”” Ezekiel 40:4 ESV It’s not so much a prophecy of the future but rather a lament for what they could have been. That’s my take.
@@salpezzino7803- who takes up the reigns here? “saying, “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, who is and who was, for you have taken your great power and begun to reign.” Revelation 11:17 ESV I don’t agree that Jesus has always been reigning otherwise it makes certain passages meaningless. Here is another that becomes meaningless. “But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.” 1 Corinthians 15:23-28 ESV Also Jesus clearly was not reigning during his incarnation because he had stepped down.
@@gregmahler9506 you are telling Jesus the 2nd Person of the Godhead is Not reigning? "Jesus clearly was not reigning during his incarnation because he had stepped down" So you believe Jesus was truly God and truly Man? Where is the beginning of Jesus's reign in 1 Cor 15? Read it again Jesus is reigning over the entire universe, over absolutely everything “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” - Jesus Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Mr Solberg, I would love to chat with you sometime. I will be posting a livestream this Wednesday at 7:00 pm CST where I will be responding to your videos. I would be honored if you would be willing to talk with me on the phone, or join in the live chat.
@@TheBiblicalRoots Prayers are with you Rob! Keep up defending the faith. 9 ¶ History merely repeats itself. It has all been done before. Nothing under the sun is truly new. Ecclesiastics chapter 1 A lot of learning and unlearning on God’s redemptive plan through his Son Jesus Christ. Reminds me of 3 ¶ For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will reject the truth and chase after myths. 5 ¶ But you should keep a clear mind in every situation. Don’t be afraid of suffering for the Lord. Work at telling others the Good News, and fully carry out the ministry God has given you. 2nd Timothy chapter 4
More often than not people who are offended by Calvinism reject the idea of only some who were chosen to be saved. Unless you're a universalist, I don't see why that is offensive. You don't think Hindus, Muslims, or Buddhists are saved, do you? So you still believe in the exclusivity of salvation.
I believe there is a fundamental problem with David's and Torahists's positions. They believe some kind of righteousness acceptable to God can come from following the Law! They miss the very purpose, nature and reason of and for the Law, as put in 1st Timothy, 1: 9-10: the Law was given not to the righteous, but to the rebels, the ungodly, because the people failed to trust in God in the desert.... Yet God is not done with Israel (no room for replacement theology as you say). As for us (everyone under the new covenant, jew or gentile), by faith in Christ alone we are made righteous and acceptable to God, because He (Jesus) did not fail!
Preach it brother 'Berg! You know for a while I thought you were going far too easy on this guy's teachings. But you brought that gospel gavel down heavy at the end!
I suppose Peter, Paul, and John etc… (Believers who participated in temple sacrifices post-resurrection) all had some serious theological problems despite literally writing the rest of the Bible.
where are all those sacrifices in the NT? I wonder why Paul didn't keep the 3 annual pilgrimage feasts and NEVER took one of his Church plants to Jerusalem with him to keep these feasts????? You, David the Satanist and Al in your Cult are truly Damned Shalom
The Bible states that to love God and to love people sums up the entirety of the law and then Mr. Solberg states that the law is “permitted, but not required for Christians”does that mean it is permitted but not required that a Christian should love God and love people?
Hi Travis. No, I don't believe *_any_* follower of Jesus is under the old covenant law. "We are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code" (Rom. 7:6). Blessings, Rob
Jesus’s sacrifice has nothing to do with the day of atonement. Not sure why you’re bringing it up. If Paul offered a sacrifice at all, then it denies what is said in Hebrews about Jesus being the final sacrifice.
There is no animal sacrifice that can conquer DEATH…even the Pharisees believed in the resurrection…….first fruits is all about the resurrection…Got Torah Got Truth
@@harryabrahams2770 human sacrifice is an abomination to God. Therefore your demigod sacrifice wouldn’t be accepted. Jesus said he’s coming back soon. 2,000 years isn’t soon.
The bible clearly says : Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. & Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: There is no argument that the atonements offered in the sacrifice were not what Christ's Atonement that was active by promise since before the foundation of the world was as the true. The fact is that we are all guilty of not offering the appropriate sacrifices according to the Law, even today, but even according to God's Law in Lev 17, we have no Altar, Priesthood or Temple / Tabernacle to do so- God chose to destroy it and remove that system out of his sight. To offer a sacrifice now would be a sin in and of itself according to Lev 17. Nevertheless, Christ's sacrifice is the very image of all sacrifices, His predestined body and his body, his everlasting body does what the Sacrifices only shadowed and typified. Sin has always been atoned in heaven by the Sacrifice of Christ from before the world was until after the world ends. Sacrificing under a proper priesthood still was never the object of heavenly atonement. Christ's can forgive our sin of not offering the appropriate sacrifices too, he is strong enough to do that for the elect, but the wicked unsaved, on the other hand, will be crushed by the sin incurred for this besides all the rest.
Rob, again, you said it around the 7 min mark. Don't you listen to yourself. "If we want to commit adultery, go for it. We are free in Christ to keep those traditions not to do it." And why do you say its traditions? Is it not part of God's law? And why do you only mention the feasts, sabbath and dietary laws? Acts 15 has 3 dietary laws that they said we must still keep. Do you keep them?
Hi Alex. The "laws" of God that define right and wrong were true long before the Law of Moses was given. So when God commands us not to murder today, it’s not because of the Ten Commandments. It’s because of His universal principle against murder. Long before God gave Israel the Law of Moses, Cain was judged for murdering his brother Abel (Gen 4:8-16). Same thing with adultery. Unfaithfulness and sexual immorality were wrong long before the Law of Moses, as we see, for example, in the story of Joseph fleeing Potiphar’s wife (Gen 39:12-18). The Bible teaches that the Law of Moses was given at a specific time to specific people for a specific purpose. Much of what was given at Mount Sinai included God's universal "laws" about right and wrong and loving God, which were in effect long before the Law was given. But the purpose of the Law of Moses was not to set a new moral standard. It was to turn a group of recent slaves into the nation of Israel and set them apart for God. And embedded in those Mosaic laws of ceremony, ritual, distinction, and civil order were shadows that pointed to Christ. And it's _those_ laws that have been fulfilled by Christ and are no longer binding under the New Covenant. Rob
the Natural law is the 10 Commandments which are written on humanities hearts. We are created in God's image. However they were corrupted after the fall. When God turns those who are His hearts from stone to flesh they then become uncorrupted. Acts 15's restrictions were given to the Gentile Believers so not to cause the Jewish Believers not to stumble. Just keep that in mind,
@TheBiblicalRoots Sabbath (gen2 and ex 16), clean and unclean food ( Gen 6), sacrifices(Gen 4) and feasts( ex 12)were also given long before Moses. There is no verse in the Bible that talks about moral, civil, seremonial laws. But there are verses talking about one law, so all the laws have the same weight. Brake one you brake them all.
@salpezzino7803 Natural laws are the 10 commandments minus the sabbath, so it's only 9. No acts 15 was given so they could stop sinning. The next verse(21) says the have to go to the synagogue on the SABBATH to learn the rest of the law.
@@alexblack6634 almost. the 10 Commandments are the 10 Commandments. not 9. God wrote them with His finger, they weren't given by angels as the law of Moses was. 9 Commandments is a false teaching, The Lord's Day is the Christian Sabbath
I believe there are a lot of misunderstandings. The sacrificial system goes along with the temple and Levitical priesthood. No sacrifice is needed for forgiveness but for cleansing. To participate in temple service and worship it is necessary to cleanse the area and instruments and the people. Without the temple the only permitted sacrifices were thanksgiving sacrifices. Cain and Abel are the first people to make a sacrifice to God, these weren’t sin sacrifices but for thanksgiving. Cains’ sacrifice was rejected because he mistook it as a sacrifice of works, the reason why he got jealous as people today get jealous when someone reaps a reward for less work than they did. There were never sacrifices to achieve forgiveness of sin. That’s not how the sacrificial system works. Jesus was not a ritualistic sin sacrifice. He was a sacrifice as he explained himself of a person who dies for a friend. But not only did he die for his friends, but his enemies, too. His blood unlike Abel doesn’t cry for vengeance but forgiveness.
@@rightousliving “there were never sacrifices to achieve the forgiveness of sin” Ok And almost all things are cleansed with blood, according to the Law, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. Hebrews 9:22 But I know, I’m reading it wrong.
@@davidmorris7476 well, that’s Hebrews. Is there anything that backs his theory up on the Torah that there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood? As far as I know blood is used for atonement only, not forgiveness. Yet they are closely related. However the statement in Hebrews is wrong.
Excellent, message Rob... Regarding the ongoing discourse of supersessionism, the Bible clearly states that these two assertions are true: 1) The New Testament (new covenant) ekklesia replaced the Old Testament (Mosaic covenant) ekklesia. Can you identify some differences between the OT ekklesia and the NT ekklesia? 2) When the Son of Man returns in glory He will judge the living (Sheep & Goat Judgment), and He will regather and restore Israel (the houses of Israel and Judah). Note something; there are multiple fulfillments of the promises to Abraham and to his seed. I believe Scripture bears out a dual fulfillment of the promises to Abraham and to his Seed, when the Son of Man returns in glory. ***** Key verse for the fulfillment to the natural descendants: Romans 9:4 "They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises." ***** To the natural descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, a fulfillment of: - People (Jeremiah 23:3,5-6; Ezekiel 11:17; Ezekiel 20:33-38; Zechariah 13:9; Romans 11:26-27) - Land (Leviticus 26:42; Deuteronomy 11:21; Ezekiel 20:42; Ezekiel 36:28; Jeremiah 30:3) - Blessing (Isaiah 59:20-21; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 11:19-20; Ezekiel 36:26-27; Ezekiel 37:14; Zechariah 12:10) ***** Key verse for the fulfillment to the spiritual descendants of Abraham, counted righteous by faith; the OT & NT saints: Romans 4:13 "For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith. ***** To the spiritual descendants of Abraham, counted righteous by faith, a fulfillment of: - People (Daniel 7:18,22; John 10:16; Ephesians 2:15; Hebrews 11:40, 12:23; Revelation 1:5-6; 5:9; 7:9; 14:4; 19:7-8; 20:4) - Land (Daniel 7:27; Romans 4:13; Matthew 5:5) - Blessing (Daniel 12:1-2; Hebrews 11:40, 12:23; Romans 8:29-30; 1 Corinthians 15:42-44; Philippians 3:20-21; Colossians 3:4; 1 John 3:2; Revelation 20:6) ***** To recap, I believe the promises to Abraham and to his Seed (in the Messianic kingdom) are fulfilled to the natural descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and to the spiritual descendants, the sons of Abraham counted righteous by faith. People - Repentant Israel/resurrected saints of God Land - Israel (expanded)/the whole earth Blessing - regeneration/glorification And all of this occurs when the Son of Man returns as King (Daniel 7:14; Matthew 25:31; Revelation 11:15). Blessings
Gospel verses that show Jesus came to warn that generation of the impending resurrection and judgement aka Jacob's trouble as the time was fulfilled. Matthew 3:1-2 KJV [1] In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judæa, [2] and saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew 3:7 KJV [7] But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Matthew 3:10 KJV [10] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matthew 3:12 KJV [12] whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Matthew 4:17 KJV [17] From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew 10:7 KJV [7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Matthew 10:15 KJV [15] Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Matthew 10:23 KJV [23] But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matthew 12:32 KJV [32] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Matthew 12:39 KJV [39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: Matthew 12:41 KJV [41] The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. Matthew 12:42 KJV [42] The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. Matthew 16:27-28 KJV [27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. [28] Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Matthew 19:28 KJV [28] And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 21:40-45 KJV [40] When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? [41] They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. [42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? [43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. [44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. [45] And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. Matthew 24:34 KJV [34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Matthew 26:64 KJV [64] Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Mark 1:15 KJV [15] and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Mark 12:9-12 KJV [9] What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others. [10] And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected Is become the head of the corner: [11] This was the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? [12] And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way. Mark 13:30 KJV [30] Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. Luke 3:7 KJV [7] Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Luke 3:9 KJV [9] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Luke 3:17 KJV [17] whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable. Luke 10:2 KJV [2] Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest. Luke 10:9 KJV [9] and heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. Luke 20:15-18 KJV [15] So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? [16] He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid. [17] And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner? [18] Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. Luke 21:22 KJV [22] For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. Luke 21:23 KJV [23] But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. Luke 23:28-30 KJV [28] But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. [29] For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. [30] Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us. Luke 24:21 KJV [21] But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. John 5:24-25 KJV [24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. [25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. John 9:39 KJV [39] And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. John 12:31 KJV [31] Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. John 21:22 KJV [22] Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
@@lindsayball5080 Thank youfor sharing these wonderful passages, Lindsay... None of them are in conflict with my two assertions. Matthew 21:43 and others support my first assertion. Question for you... To whom is Jesus speaking in Matthew 23:37-39 when He says, "See, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'" In addition, you shared with me Matthew 16:27 and Matthew 26:64, which both describe the future event when the Son of Man will return to the earth in great glory, taking up His throne to judge the living at the end of the age. These two passages support my second assertion. Amen?
@BrotherInChrist the jews in that day. God destroyed their temple ending the old covenant. Then judged the nations and Jesus returned. We live after the mk in the little season of satan
@lindsayball5080 Lindsay, I vehemently disagree with the notion that Jesus has returned in glory and has judged the nations. Based on that interpretation, everyone currently alive is regenerated and Christ is ruling with an iron rod, and his glorified saints reigning with him. There are several more reasons that your doctrine is not biblical. With that said, I pray your faith in Christ is unmovable!
Rest assured, Jesus did not contradict the Law in any point. In the same sermon, Jesus makes sure no one misunderstood: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matthew 5:17). Jesus’ point in the Sermon on the Mount was that God sees the heart, and that we are actually held to a higher standard than external conformity to a set of rules. The Pharisees taught that, as long as you did the right things, you were “holy.” Jesus said not so; “For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:20). Jesus is teaching the necessity of having a heart to follow God. Putting on an act and going through the motions of serving God is dishonest. It is also futile, because God sees through the masks we wear (see Mark 7:6). A person who pretends to be holy on the outside yet nurtures a sinful heart is a hypocrite. The Pharisees, who everyone thought were holy, were guilty of just such dissimulation. God doesn’t want more religious activity; He wants a heart dedicated to Him. Holiness starts on the inside. In Matthew 5:21-22, for example, Jesus says, “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.” The external command was “do not murder.” This is a good command; we should not murder people. But we make a mistake if we think that’s where our responsibility ends. Jesus said, in essence, God sees your heart. If you have hatred in your heart, then you are just as guilty as the murderer in God’s eyes. The Pharisees’ attitude was, “I am good; I haven’t murdered anyone.” Jesus countered, “No, you are guilty because there is murder in your heart.” It’s the difference between the letter of the Law and the spirit behind it. Keeping the letter of the Law doesn’t make you righteous (see Galatians 2:16). None of us can keep the whole Law perfectly, anyway. God requires a heart transformation; we must be born again (John 3:7). God is looking for more than the external practice of religion. People might seem holy to other people, but that’s not the standard. Over and over, the Bible stresses purity of heart before the One who examines the heart (1 Chronicles 29:17; Psalm 24:4; 51:10; Matthew 5:8; 2 Timothy 2:22). The Law was good and proper. Its purpose was to define sin and delineate holiness. Jesus was not in any way negating the Law; He was showing us the reason for the Law. Jesus fulfilled the Law in that He was the only person to ever keep the whole Law, even in His heart, without sin (Hebrews 4:15).
christians are not required to do anything, period. christians are not under law, above the law, and a law unto themselves. They can devise whatever idealogy fits their interpretation, by means of different denominations, of which there are currently about 25,000+ in mainstream christianity. Christ-followers, on the other hand, are bound to obey as good sons and daughters. As Yeshua said, 'if you love Me, obey my commands.' The typical western aversion to law is rather juvenile and immature, in that antinomian folks are anxious to be 'free moral agents' and 'led by the spirit' as a rationale for doing what they want, because the franchise manager [pastor] said so. This is a rather dangerous position and reeks of humanism. If one starts to regard the Ten Words as a list of options, then one can reason their way out of obedience. This is evident in modern christianity since they disregard Shabbat, [sun-day law] sanctity of marriage [widespread divorce], murder [rampant abortion]. But they hold the label of christian. At some point, we should appreciate our Father's loving instructions, stop asking 'What does God require?' and begin asking, 'What does God desire?' Some of Solberg's positions are based on presumptions which are held by the church but not based on the Bible. The offerings are coming back, as we read in Jeremiah 33. The Lord calls day and night, the armies of heaven and the sand by the sea as witnesses of this promise. As we know Torah applies to the nation of B'nai Israel [the nation] in Eretz Israel [the land] while the Temple is operational. Right now, we don't have a Temple, which constitutes the continuation of the exile in Jewish thought. We can't properly do any of the offerings until the Temple is up and running. Should we abdicate all responsibility to obey Torah and just do freestyle christianity? What did the Jews in Babylon do while in exile? They observed and obeyed as best they could for 70 years until Ezra and others restored the Temple. The proper temple will probably not be the 3rd one, but the 4th [Ezekiel's] Temple, as we read the description in his last 8 chapters. None of the Torah has been revoked, replaced or superseded; it has been disobeyed, but it still stands. Yeshua taught in Matthew 5:17-18 that He did not come to abolish but to complete. Completion does not mean Abolition. I am completing my marriage covenant with my wife this year but not abolishing it. I will continue to complete it next year. Yah never said 'stop'. Yeshua never said stop. Even though the priesthood was corrupt in Yeshua's time, He still worshipped at the Temple and taught that Torah must be observed. There will still be sin on the earth in Yeshua's millennial reign, and offerings will still be performed by the cohanim of Levi - refer again to Jeremiah 33. The offerings belong to the tribe of Levi by covenant, since they have no land inheritance. When Yeshua sets foot on the Mount of Olives and initiates His yeshiva on Mount Zion in Yerushalayim, He will not teach anything new to the nations that will stream there: He will teach His eternal Torah. This is the same Torah that Psalm 119 speaks of. It's how righteousness will be taught to the nations and by which He will judge. If we are able, we can learn His righteous laws now and obey them, receiving His blessing.
Do christians understand, what actually was The Covenant between the God and Israelites? And that covenant supposed to be eternal? How Christians falsely claim, that the Covenant has expired? The Covenant was that ppl of the Israelites were led to the promised land and God would be "their God", nothing else! Did Jesus leaded ppl to the new terrain?😊
This question is at the heart of the gospel and exposes how both you and David Wilbur are wrong about sin, about what true transformation Christ works in his children, and what the sacrifice of Yeshua was given to us for. Stop serving sin and serve the King! Die to yourself that he may live perfectly in you and his blood will truly wash away your sins! Hebrews 6:4-8 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God: 8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned. Romans 6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. 15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? 17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. 18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrew 10: 17-18 have to be future. If that was completed and God remembered sins no more, why would there be a call to persevere now. Why would we need to fear the coming fire.
Thank you and just wonderful. But I must tell you that you upset David Wilber. He has very strong opinions and comments about you in his video answer to this video. I give you so much credit for your knowledge and courage to stand on the truth. My Father would say ,”When you stand on the truth, the rest is easy.” Thank you. I pray for you and your family.
Thanks, Lynn! To David's credit, he reached out to me and we talked privately on the phone for about an hour this week. It was a very friendly and respectful exchange. I believe David loves the Lord and doesn't want anything to do with teaching a false gospel.
Of course, he disagrees that what he is teaching challenges the sufficiency of Christ. And while that might make sense within the internal logic of his viewpoint, I just don't believe it aligns with the Bible at all. I told him wish I didn't have to accuse him of such a thing, but I am compelled to call it like I see it. His theology robs the cross of its full atoning power and challenges the sufficiency of Christ. I hope he reconsiders because this is a very important issue.
BTW I published an academic paper on this topic:
rlsolberg.com/sin-sacrifice-a-response-to-c-m-hegg/
In fact, I'll be going through that paper on my channel tomorrow.
Blessings!
Rob
Rob, your methodical, logical, and measured approach is a blessing to the Word of God and to new covenant followers and believers of the risen Lord Jesus. This was beautifully and well put together, and I simply want to encourage you to continue in the good works which God has placed before you that you should walk in.
Yes, he's a wonderful teacher. I bought his book "Torahism: Are Christians Required to Keep the Law of Moses?" Great read. Better than Dunn, Sanders, and others, IMO.
@@ScottRachelson777 Rob states that his goal is to find the TRUTH..however his
channel states that he is defending his religion…one needs to get the log out of his own
eye first…Got Torah Got Truth
@@ScottRachelson777 I also have the book, it's a great read and resource!
I hope it makes a difference. The HRM preaches a different gospel.
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were constrained, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
- Romans 7:6
Exactly, and if David Wilber and his acolytes say, "released from the law" means released from the requirement to observe its legal provisions only as a means of salvation, then how can serving in the "oldness of the letter" make sense in light of our service to "the newness of the spirit"? what's new about doing the same old thing? How can we be released from an old requirement but still be required to be bound by its legal strictures? That's a new concept of being "released" from something. Wilber Is suggesting we can be "released" and "not released" from something in the same way at the same time. He should release himself from that logical inconsistency.
"Newness of spirit and oldness of the letter" may I ask what exactly do you take away from Matthew 5:17 ESV
[17] “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
@othniel…the CONTEXT is that Paul is talking to people who KNOW the LAW..the context is about a MARRIED WOMAN who by LAW Is bound to her HUSBAND as long as he lives but is
RELEASED from the LAW concerning her HUSBAND ( she is not released from the LAW )
YHVH divorced Israel and the LAW stated that it is an abomination to remarry the one you divorced…the Messiah died so the WOMAN ( Israel ) could remarry HIM..one of the great mysteries of scripture…but if you are blind to the Torah…the blind will lead the blind right into the ditch…Got Torah Got Truth
@@harryabrahams2770 The metaphor implies that believers are released from the law through the death of Christ.
Here is what Adam Clarke writes in his wonderful commentary on Romans 7:6:
Verse Romans 7:6. "But now we are delivered from the law - We, who have believed in Christ Jesus, are delivered from that yoke by which we were bound, which sentenced every transgressor to perdition, but provided no pardon even for the penitent, and no sanctification for those who are weary of their inbred corruptions.
That being dead wherein we were held - To us believers in Christ this commandment is abrogated; we are transferred to another constitution; that law which kills ceases to bind us; it is dead to us who have believed in Christ Jesus, who is the end of the law for justification and salvation to every one that believes.
That we should serve in newness of spirit - We are now brought under a more spiritual dispensation; now we know the spiritual import of all the Mosaic precepts. We see that the law referred to the Gospel, and can only be fulfilled by the Gospel.
The oldness of the letter. - The merely literal rites, ceremonies, and sacrifices are now done away; and the newness of the spirit, the true intent and meaning of all are now fully disclosed; so that we are got from an imperfect state into a state of perfection and excellence. We sought justification and sanctification, pardon and holiness, by the law, and have found that the law could not give them: we have sought these in the Gospel scheme, and we have found them. We serve God now, not according to the old literal sense, but in the true spiritual meaning."
Roman's 7:4: "Wherefore, my brethren - This is a parallel case. You were once under the law of Moses, and were bound by its injunctions; but now ye are become dead to that law - a modest, inoffensive mode of speech, for, The law, which was once your husband, is dead; God has determined that it shall be no longer in force; so that now, as a woman whose husband is dead is freed from the law of that husband, or from her conjugal vow, and may legally be married to another, so God, who gave the law under which ye have hitherto lived, designed that it should be in force only till the advent of the Messiah; that advent has taken place, the law has consequently ceased, and now ye are called to take on you the yoke of the Gospel, and lay down the yoke of the law; and it is the design of God that you should do so."
@@harryabrahams2770 You are absolutely correct. It is not hard to understand. But….if you don’t have a foundation in scripture you will become Lawless (Torahless) just as 2Peter 3:15-19 predicts.
Great video! My brother is deep in hebrew roots and following Sean Griffith.. im praying your work through scripture will open eyes of all in the hebrew roots movement 🙏
Thankfully I was only in it for a couple of years. I just thought it was a good way to learn more about Jesus that's how it's presented which is a deception because once you get in there, all you do is stay in the Old Testament.
Thank you Professor Solberg. Your teachings are very edifying. Keep up the good work. May the LORD continue to bless your family & ministry.
Brother, you've been under some real attack lately so let me be first to say this video is a masterpiece. Your work is invaluable, I admire your diligence and perseverance to study and present truth in an understanble manner, in the face of delusion (sorry if this offends others, my intent isn't to offend but to clearly support my fellow brother in Christ Prof. Solberg).
So much prayer and humility has gone into this video. May our Father use it to pierce through hearts of stone and plant seeds. Blessings 🙏🏼
Thank you so much, Suretha. That means more than you know.
Blessings!
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots if you’re preaching the gospel of Jesus and the Israelites in the wilderness had the SAME GOSPEL preached to them, could you please explain because
something doesn’t add up…Got Torah Got Truth
@@harryabrahams2770 It's simple, the law was to point people to love. It didn't work, as people turned what was meant to instill a changed heart/love into that which was just a "bunch of rules to keep" to appease the Father. We still see this today. God desires mercy not sacrifice. He desires a changed heart. People still don't get it.
The actions don't change the heart, rather from a changed heart certain actions will flow. I also want to point out, the tablets of stone (10 commandments) were kept inside the mercy seat, but the extended levitical law (rest of the 613) were kept outside of it. When God says He will write His law on our hearts.... which law did he choose to have on the inside? Just fuel for thought. One is clearly an outside work, the other is an inward change. Blessings
@@harryabrahams2770 you are assuming there's only one gospel. Clearly the gospel preached to Israelites would be different than the one Paul is preaching to Gentiles. which is why there’s a significant difference between something like the book of Hebrews and then something like the book of Galatians. Hebrews speak a lot about the law and sacrifices because the law of Moses was given to Hebrews.
@@harryabrahams2770 The gospel predates even the Israelites, Harry! "And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, 'In you shall all the nations be blessed'” (Gal 3:8).
RLS
Rob thank you so much for calling out the false gospel that is spreading! May the Holy Spirit use this video to bring people back to the truth that the final sacrifice for sin was in Yeshua the Messiah!
This just a very small token of my appreciation for the depth of insight and clarity that you always provide to us. I believe in the work you are doing, and I am grateful to be able to support it in any way I can. May God continue to bless your ministry and grant you wisdom as you faithfully lead others into deeper understanding of His word. I look forward to learning even more from you in the days to come.
Thank you much for your support, Faith_Walker and for your encouragement. God is so good!
Blessings,
Rob
Excellent exposition. Thanks so much for the video! God bless you.
I'm a Torah-keeper but I believe that Yeshua stopped animal sacrifices already. The apostle Paul directs us to be "living sacrifices." Plain and very simple.
You Rob have the patience of Job with these HRM people. Excellent video and thoroughly done. God bless you Rob. 🙏🙏🙏
Would you consider doing like a three way discussion at some point with Rabbi Eduardo and Seraphim Hamilton on these objections presented by these Torahists so-called “pronomian” guys and the thrust of and the present applicability of the Torah and the doing of the commandments in the life of the faithful today? Maybe you could also touch on the concept of different communities having unique customs within a common faith such as Rabbi Eduardo/Radar Apologetics subscribes to and the Orthodox Churches present on a larger scale? Just like a topical discussion between the three of you and putting your brains together in contrast to these guys.
Orthodox Ethos could also be a good voice on the thrust of things and the practical place of the commandments in the Christian life.
Is it possible that pronomian teachers get some things right that mainstream Christianity has twisted (1 Peter 3:15-18)? Cuz that’s where I’m at.
I am quite certain (at this point in my journey, of course), after-like a Berean- watching tons of their videos and yours that the 7th day Sabbath, feasts, and dietary instructions are still good behaviors given to us by our Father (like make your bed, clean your room- if you don’t you’re still my Sons and Daughters but my instructions are for your good).
I think Hebrew Roots gets a little lost in the sauce on works, and I think mainstream Christianity gets a little wild on the grace is license for antinomianism, screaming “Judaizer” at anything resembling a rule and singing “freedom” like a staunch libertarian anarchist.
Very well said. The Bible is clear that if we love him...we keep His commandments...yet Modern Church denies this.
Sigh no even mainstream jews like shapiro will say this was only ever for isreal. Real messianic say it's for isreal...
God never instructed gentiles to eat clean...
Love how all of u just ignore acts and peters vision
@@r.a.panimefan2109 peters vision explained has nothing to do with food
But even if you still think did, note v 14… he basically says “I cant eat ANY of this!”
And God rebukes him, telling him to not call what God has made clean, ritually impure.
You can delve into the Greek to see the 2 terms- akarthos, koinos
Jews thought that the cow, deer etc
Were made ritually impure by proximity to pigs, reptiles etc
And the point of the dream is that Jews aren’t ritually defiled by chillin with Gentiles, so go hang out with Cornelius, Peter!
And this is one of those times- if modern Christianity is teaching something that the text literally does not say, can you blame people for the exodus to HR and Torah?
Would be awesome if we could find a middle ground. Maybe it’ll be Professor Solberg;)
@@H0n3yc0mb7 I feel bad ur so tricked
No it was both. If it was only about people god would not have told him to kill and eat.
Eating the foods of the world is part of the fence.
Keeping jews seperated
I pray ur eyes will open.
I once once agreeing with u but if what u say is true then why didn't the lord just tell Peter to go eat with the gentiles.
No he told him kill and eat unclean animals.
Question what would the gentiles be eating.?
Un clean things.
It's both and to believe you makes God a lier I pray ull awaken
Wilbur said we will need temporal atonement for sin in future kingdom negating that Christ sacrificw removed sin once for all and was complete and sufficient. The question is Wilber if Christ removed sin why will we need temporary coverings for sin in future?
Specifically, David said (in a speech bubble type thing toward the end of his video) that those without resurrected bodies could need temporal atonement.
@@XavierPutnam I just watched the video last night and he talked about believers needing temporary covering for sin to draw near God in the temple he believes will be rebuilt. Also the only atonement for sin unbelievers would be for them to trust in the atonement of Christ. Now in this life. No other atonement for sin for anyone but through Christ.
Paul was right in Galatians...some people want the security blanket of working towards salvation and not recognizing their complete unworthiness of the gift of salvation. I get it...its hard to truly humble yourself.
If no work is involved then what can send anyone to hell? Think about it even faith is a work on a technicality.
@@dre5773 Today faith in the Gospel of Jesus Christ is what saves you. True faith is revealed by the fruit of that faith which is why James says faith without works is dead. Works, if done for the glory of God and not for the world, will reap rewards while dead works will burn away. As to hell? God will judge each person but its clear the wages of sin is death and only Jesus' work can pay the price for sin.
@@JJFrance When we say things like "gospel" and "sin" how do we define them may be the key. I totally agree with faith producing fruit based on James and Hebrews. So then with Jesus being the once and for all sacrifice is repentance necessary every time you sin and if you fail to repent once, can this lead to eternal separation? If the answer is yes then continous belief accompanied by works/ repentance is necessary. What defines sin? Transgression of the law?
@@dre5773 That's why we're commanded to study and meditate on the Word. You can do a search on "verses on the gospel of Christ" and meditate on those.
Thank you Rob, your videos are a blessing❤
Thanks for the video. Several responses, not necessarily in any order. First, it looks like David likes to redefine religious terms to his own definition. In the past, it was antinomian, which he defines incorrectly. Now, it is supersessionism. If he is willingly redefining established terms, how is anyone to believe the rest of what he states. Second, in leaning on Ezekial's Temple scripture, you then have a conflict with Isaiah's visions of Jerusalem and highway. Both also conflict with John's vision in Revelation. Assuming a premillennial position for a moment (not necessarily given), you have two viewpoints (historical or dispensational). In the Dispensational viewpoint, Christians are not on earth during millennial (OBTW - John MacAuthor is dispensational), then it isn't Christians worshipping in the new Temple. In the historic viewpoint, again, it traditionally isn't Christians worshipping in the temple, but since Isaiah speaks of Egyptians worshipping it does mean Gentiles coming to the temple. Does that mean the law has changed? To me, it would, which speaks against David's position. If you take the other end times millennial viewpoints, they take Ezekiel's temple as figurative, along with Isaiah and lean to John's vision at the end of Revelation as to when we worship with Jesus. That vision specifically states that in the New Jerusalem, there is no temple, and thus no sacrifices. This is because sacrifices require an alter and a temple. Third, doesn't the Levitical Law concerning atonement require the ark and mercy seat. How did Israel carry out upon return from Babylon since the ark had disappeared. I don't recall anything in 2nd Chronicles describing building a new ark. So, therefore, after exile, the law changed by default since there was no longer an ark for the High Priest to sprinkle blood. David doesn't address this. Finally, in both David's response and in Caleb Hegg's discussion with Andrew Schumacher on your question, even though both are trinitarian, I find both seem to miss out on the work of the Holy Spirit. Upon Pentecost, we as Christians have God dwelling with and in us via the Holy Spirit. This is Spiritual. As the OT states, God cannot dwell in unclean, unholy places, yet Pentecost and other NT writings clearly talks of Holy Spirit dwelling in us. The only way for God to dwell within us via the Holy Spirit is if we are first made clean (i.e., sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross). It seems to me both are denying the Holy Spirit. The unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I am concerned when the third person of the trinity is downgraded and I believe both David and Caleb are in danger of this. A follow on question for Hebrew Roots is whether they believe the Holy Spirit indwells believers? To me, it is the Spirit who brings us to believe. As Jesus told Nicademus, one must be born of Spirit. To many Hebrew Roots, I find what they believe is both Hebrews and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is a future occurrence and not present. Yet, how is it we come to believe without God drawing us to him via the Holy Spirit? On our own, we cannot come to God. I always go back to the 1st Question of the Westminster Catechism. What is the chief end of man? To know God and enjoy him forever. This is both for now and the future, not just the future.
Great insights, Thomas! Thank you for sharing this.
Rob
Check out NT scholar GK Beale and his book on mystery where he shows all those Old Testament prophecies talking about the nations taking on the covenant badges to become grafted into Israel in the latter days is fulfilled in the New Testament - Ephesians chapter 2 and 3 show that the mystery is not only that gentiles and Jews become the one new man but also in the manner that it is accomplished- through faith in Christ- not the covenantal badges like in the OT. This is the mystery described in Ephesians 2 & 3.
Hallelujah
I have a question about what John MacArthur said, so my question is if sin and death is the last enemy to be tossed into the lake of fire therefore no more deaths period then how will animals symbolically die then , maybe you are answering this in the video but I'm only curious?
I believe the idea for MacArthur’s view is that the animal sacrifices will occur during the Millennium, and the end of death will happen after that, in the new heavens and new earth.
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots ahh , that makes more sense, okay thank you brother ☺️!
So in the millennial an uprise for butchers is going to be needed? 😅😅
Fun knee 😂
Thanks!
Thank you!
RLS
Sound heremenutical prinicipal intepret obscure passages in light of plain passages. We do not intepret Hebrews through obscure prophecy of EZ. Hebrews is plain and clear no more sacrifice for sin. So EZ cant be teaching sin sacrifices for atonement after Christ sacrifice
@TheBiblicalRoots Here is a very legitimate question(s). And, please, by these questions, don't presume that you know what I believe or think.
If the Mosaic Law has been done away with, why do these two things take place involving New Covenant writers.
1. Why does the New Covenant writer, the Apostle John, define sin as a "transgression of the law"?
2: Why do the New Covenant writers authoritatively and prolifically quote the Old Covenant Scriptures when telling New Covenant Believers how to live life for their Messiah?
The last few chapters in Ezekiel talk about sacrifices returning. Nowhere does it say in Ezekiel they will be “memorial” sacrifices.
Great teaching Professor Rob! I have a question though, is it possible that not only Lancaster but John MacArthur (whom i greatly love and admire) are both wrong? Is it possible that the descriptions of the millennial kingdom are only symbolic? What I mean is, when Jesus refers to believers as the "body of Christ" He doesn't mean that we literally become molecules in His physical body but that it's symbolic of our relationship with Him. So, in Ephesians 2:19-22 Paul describes US as being built together into a Holy Temple to the Lord in the Spirit. Also, Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6:19 that we (believers) are a temple for the Holy Spirit. As far as sacrifices are concerned, Paul exhorts us in Romans 12 to present our bodies as a LIVING sacrifice. I'm curious, I'd just love to know your thoughts on this. May God bless and continue this great work!
Hi Paul. Yes, that sounds a lot like the view called *amillennialism,* which teaches that the "millennium" mentioned in Revelation 20 is symbolic, not a literal 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth. Instead, it views the millennium as the current church age, where Christ reigns spiritually through the church. Amillennialists believe the Second Coming of Christ, the final judgment, and the establishment of the new heavens and earth will all occur at the end of this age, without a future, earthly millennial kingdom.
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots thanks Professor Rob! I don't consider myself an Amillennialist but that seems to make the most sense of the language regarding the temple. Maybe that would make a worthy topic to go into more detail about on one of your teachings, if so, I would greatly appreciate it! I've actually thought about it in that way for quite some time!
Labels and theological minutiae aside. One simple question, did the “Yom Kippur” sacrifice ever achieve remission of sin?
"For on this day shall atonement be made for you to cleanse you. You shall be clean before the Lord from all your sins" (Lev. 16:30). Those sacrifices brought the actual atonement (covering or cleansing) of sins, but only temporarily.
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots so no, right? My question was about remission, Christ’s atonement is described as achieving remission in Hebrews. Remission is to remove. Christ’s atoning work completely removes sin eternally. None of the Temple/Tabernacle sacrifices were ever intended nor were they ever claimed to accomplish this.
With all due respect brother the simple fact that the Apostles participated in temple sacrifices after the resurrection of our Lord is reason enough for one to pause and really give your position careful thought. I understand how you feel about the whack jobs that infest the so-called “Hebrew roots movement “ but it is not at all helpful to paint any and every “Torah pursuant” Christian with solid biblical doctrine, with the same broad brushstrokes as the nutcases.
@@sergloera Some translations use the English word "remission" to translate the Greek word ἄφεσις (aphesis), which means "pardon, forgiveness." Which is why many other translations use the English word "forgiveness." For example, Hebrews 10:18: "Where there is _aphesis_ (forgiveness, pardon, remission) of these, there is no longer any offering for sin."
I agree with you that the sacrifice of Jesus achieved enteral forgiveness of sin for all who place their faith in Him, whereas the Torah's sin sacrifices on Yom Kippur only provided temporary forgiveness and had to be repeated.
Rob
If what you're saying is true, and what they're saying is false, why does Paul submit to going to the temple to make offerings I'm acts 21?
Although he was not going to make a sin offering its still a sacrifice..?
Also - you say Torah is not mandatory but not banned... So when the 3rd temple is erected - we can still offer Thanksgiving offerings, grain offerings, and all other offerings that are not relevant to sin?
Or would you make a ministry against that as well?
Hi Ryan. I discussed that very issue in this video. Check it out!
RLS
Yes, animal sacrifices are still required for the atonement of sin…
The continued requirement for *animal sacrifices* during the *Millennial Kingdom* is grounded in a *comprehensive understanding* of *Jesus’ role as High Priest* in the *Order of Melchizedek* (Hebrews 7:17). While His death on the cross provided the *final sacrifice for eternal salvation*, it is critical to understand that His ascension into the *heavenly tabernacle* (Hebrews 9:11-12) marked the beginning of His *ongoing priestly ministry*, not the end of the sacrificial system. Jesus, as High Priest, ministers continually in the *heavenly sanctuary*, performing priestly duties that include overseeing the system of *atonement*, which remains rooted in the *shedding of blood* (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22).
- *Ezekiel 40-48* provides a detailed vision of the *Millennial Temple*, where *sin offerings* and *guilt offerings* are reinstated under the reign of Christ. These sacrifices are not simply memorials-they are essential for the *ongoing atonement* of *ritual impurity* and sins committed during the Millennial reign. While Christ’s death was sufficient to provide *eternal salvation* for believers, the *Mosaic Law* mandates that blood sacrifices remain the *means of atonement* in the *physical realm* (Leviticus 17:11).
- *Zechariah **14:16**-19* and *Isaiah 56:6-7* confirm that *sacrifices* will be a central part of worship in the *Millennial Kingdom*, further establishing that the system of atonement through *animal sacrifices* will not be obsolete, but reactivated under the direct *oversight of Christ*.
- *Hebrews 7:24-25* clearly states that Christ’s priesthood is *eternal* and that He continually makes *intercession* for humanity. His death on the cross was necessary to enable Him to serve as *High Priest* in the *heavenly tabernacle* (Hebrews 8:1-5). However, this priestly role includes *ongoing sacrifices* in the *earthly realm*, as revealed in Ezekiel’s prophecy. Jesus, like the priests of old, mediates between God and humanity, ensuring that *earthly atonement* is provided through the *physical shedding of blood*.
- This does not contradict the finality of Christ’s sacrifice for *eternal salvation* (Hebrews 9:12). Instead, His *heavenly ministry* complements the *earthly atonement* system, where *animal sacrifices* are still required to maintain *ritual purity* and *physical atonement*. As *High Priest*, Jesus presides over both realms-the *spiritual*, where His blood is the ultimate sacrifice, and the *physical*, where animal sacrifices fulfill the legal and ceremonial requirements set forth by God.
- The *principle of atonement*through blood is an *eternal law* given by God in *Leviticus 17:11* and this law does not expire with the coming of Christ but is fulfilled and extended through His *priestly oversight*. *Hebrews 9:22* reaffirms this, stating, "Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins." Therefore, in the *physical realm*, where sin and impurity still exist during the *Millennial Kingdom*, blood sacrifices remain necessary for atonement.
- *Jeremiah 33:17-18* explicitly states that the *Levitical priesthood* and *sacrifices* will continue forever as part of God’s covenant with Israel. This prophecy directly points to the *continuation of the sacrificial system* during the Millennium, where animal sacrifices will be offered under the *High Priestly ministry of Christ*, ensuring that the *Mosaic Law* remains fully upheld.
- Christ’s death on the cross provided the ultimate *spiritual atonement* for the sins of humanity, securing eternal salvation for those who believe. However, the *physical world* continues to be subject to sin, and as long as there is sin in the *Millennial Kingdom*, the requirement for *physical atonement* through *blood sacrifices* remains valid. Christ, as the *High Priest*, administers both the *spiritual atonement* in heaven and the *physical atonement* on earth, which includes animal sacrifices in the *Millennial Temple*.
- The *earthly sacrifices* during the Millennium do not diminish the sufficiency of Christ’s sacrifice but instead serve to uphold the *eternal principle* of God’s law in the *physical realm*, ensuring that both realms are in perfect *spiritual and legal harmony* under Christ’s priestly oversight.
Some might argue that Christ’s *once-for-all sacrifice* (Hebrews 10:10) makes further sacrifices obsolete. However, this argument misunderstands the dual nature of Christ’s *priestly ministry*. His sacrifice was indeed sufficient for *eternal redemption*, but *animal sacrifices* during the Millennium serve a *different function*-providing atonement for *ongoing sin* and *ritual impurity* in the *physical world*. These sacrifices are not in competition with Christ’s work; they are *extensions* of His *ongoing intercessory role* as the *High Priest*.
- Additionally, *Hebrews 8:5* reminds us that the *earthly system* is a *shadow* of the *heavenly reality*. The *Millennial Temple* and its sacrifices are *reflections* of Christ’s *priestly work* in heaven, ensuring that atonement is fully carried out both spiritually and physically.
*Animal sacrifices* during the *Millennial Kingdom* are essential for *atonement* because they uphold the eternal principle of *blood sacrifice * laid down in *Leviticus 17:11*. Jesus, as the *eternal High Priest* in the *Order of Melchizedek*, presides over both the *spiritual realm*, where His once-for-all sacrifice secures *eternal salvation*, and the *physical realm*, where *animal sacrifices* fulfill the *ongoing requirements of atonement* during His millennial reign. The reintroduction of sacrifices in *Ezekiel 40-48*, supported by *Zechariah 14* and *Jeremiah 33*, ensures that God’s law is fully upheld under Christ’s authority, harmonizing the *heavenly* and *earthly* aspects of His *priestly ministry*. These sacrifices, far from diminishing Christ’s work, are part of His *divinely ordained duty* to ensure that atonement continues for *ritual purity* and *sin in the earthly realm*
Ezekiel's temple is a symbolic vision not a literal future temple.
I believe Ezekiel's temple is prophetic imagery and not literal. It has a two fold meaning. On one hand it symbolizes the coming (in Ezekiel's day) Church that Christ will establish in the first century and it's growth through the gospel going out to the nations that will start like a small stream of water and eventually grow into a massive river that will cover the world. As described in the last part of Ezekiel's vision.
Ezekiel 47:1 NKJV
[1] Then he brought me back to the door of the temple; and there was water, flowing from under the threshold of the temple toward the east, for the front of the temple faced east; the water was flowing from under the right side of the temple, south of the altar.
These verses show that this temple is highly symbolic and not literal. Also referencing the knowledge of the Lord covering the earth like the seas. Christ and the gospel is the water, we are the temple and the living water is coming out of the temple (Christ's body, the church) to all the nations like a flowing river to cover the earth.
But I also believe the blueprint of the temple and it's perfect structure and temple service was a call to repentance for Israel, to expose their shame and cause them to repent, as shown in the following verses:
“As for you, son of man, describe to the house of Israel the temple, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and they shall measure the plan. And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple, its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, that is, its whole design; and make known to them as well all its statutes and its whole design and all its laws, and write it down in their sight, so that they may observe all its laws and all its statutes and carry them out. This is the law of the temple: the whole territory on the top of the mountain all around shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.
Ezekiel 43:10-12
The blueprints are a call to repentance in my opinion not for building a literal temple. If anything it's about telling Israel they need to prepare themselves for the coming Messiah and His kingdom.
Not to mention Christ said we no longer worship in temples on mountains, but in spirit and truth.
Hey Pip, would you like to explain how Partial Preterism fits with the resurrection happening a fixed time period after the abomination of desolation? I'm still waiting for an answer. Also, you took a few paragraphs here to say you "believe" x, y, z about Ezekiel's temple, but didn't give exegesis. Saying that water coming out of the temple proves it's symbolic does not make it such. I think you're filtering the text through your false doctrine of Partial Preterism.
Anglican here. No hebrew roots tendencies and firmly convinced that gentiles do not need to keep God's laws for Israel. Nonetheless, there are some real problems here.
Soldberg's use of David Rudolph to suggest Messianic Jews do not believe in ongoing Torah obedience is easily as clumsy as Wilber's appropriation of MacArthur.
The idea that Jesus' apostles might have selectively participated in non-atoning korbanot while conscientiously skipping the atoning ones misconstrues the temple system fundamentally. The morning and evening tamid functions as a perpetual olah (burnt offering), so every other korban - even the mincha and todah which lend meaning to the eucharist - is offered on the undying coals of a whole burnt offering. If that wasn't enough to demonstrate that atonement is the daily cost of hosting the divine presence, Yom Kippur proves that NO sacrifice can grace the altar - whether the focus of that particular korban is atonement or something else - unless the altar itself is atoned for regularly. To participate in the altar at all is to participate in the work of Yom Kippur.
If this was not enough to prove that the temple worship is irreducibly atoning, consider that the blood of every korban - sin offering or not - is poured out upon the altar; an act whose invariable meaning is clearly spelled out in scripture. Not all korbanot are focused on atonement but all participate in it and rely upon it.
If Soldberg if going to conflate the work of present age temple atonement with that of the Messiah's conscience-cleansing atonement which bears his disciples into the age to come, thereby pitting the 2 complementary concepts against each other, he should focus on that tall order and not hedge his bets with the notion that the apostles could hypothetically have participated in the Temple avodah in a non-atoning manner.
I like this 'If Soldberg if going to conflate the work of present age temple atonement with that of the Messiah's conscience-cleansing atonement which bears his disciples into the age to come, thereby pitting the 2 complementary concepts against each other, he should focus on that tall order and not hedge his bets with the notion that the apostles could hypothetically have participated in the Temple avodah in a non-atoning manner."
@TheBiblicalRoots - For those that have asked about Hebrew Manuscripts of the NT, here is a link to an episode with Nehemiah Gordon about His work with those manuscripts. And remember, this was 4 years ago.
ua-cam.com/video/WO_mLthgqQg/v-deo.html
Acts reveals the transition of the religion that had two covenants at the same time, the traditions of the Mosaic Law carried on until AD70, when the temple was destroyed.
I just don’t understand the sarcasm and name calling I see in comments from both sides. I just wonder what non Christian’s would think walking into this discussion and see us belittling and calling each other names. I doubt they would stay long enough to find out about the love of Christ.
I just read through all the comments specifically searching for "sarcasm" & "name calling" - re: your accusations - & found not one instance.
What then shall we conclude of your false accusations evidently made without a proper investigation immediately prior?
@@kimartist my reference wasn’t just to this video. If you happen to read through comments on any of these videos or Facebook posts on any of these teachings, you’ll find it. But to be fair maybe I should have worded it as snide or rude comments.
@@claywise43 You made your comment here, so one can only assume that you meant to reference comments here? After all, no one person can expect to be held to account for all comments made everywhere & sundry & it is highly unreasonable for you to suggest such. And when, upon investigation, no such comments are found to exist in THIS comment section, but rather highly intellectual, respectful dialogue amongst sometimes agreeing/sometimes dissenting peers, again I ask: What must one conclude about you?
@@kimartist ok I’ll say it, I concede. You win
Zechariah and Elizabeth kept their the law blameless. Luke 1:6
Paul says he’s blameless according to the righteousness of the law. Phillipians 3:6.
Christians can’t really believe the law is done away with or that NO ONE can keep it. It’s in your book!
Exactly. And yet here we are. The falsehoods of Churchianity. People are waking up and they can't stand it.
Does anyone know if Rob has a video explaining how Gentiles were saved (their sins atoned for) in the OT?
@kevinprokopich1083 To f/u, since everyone’s(Jew and gentile) sins were washed away (atoned for) (which is how one is saved) by the blood of Jesus through faith, what did the blood of animals accomplish? (Since the sin sacrifices of animals were never intended to wash away sins for the accomplishment of eternal right standing with God)
Thank you so much for your thorough and thoughtful message! I greatly appreciate the care you put into it
David Wilbur, Robs theology teaches Paul preaches a false gospel.
Rob, this is an excellent video you have put together. Thank you for using the firm and direct language that you have used to refer to these disgusting Hebrew roots teachings.
Wilbur has to literally throw out the book of Hebrews to coms to his being the levitical system will be restored.
Thank you for the video, it was long but I enjoyed it. I am someone who observes the dietary parts of the Law (Or Torah), so I did disagree with some things. But you are absolutely correct about Jesus (Or Yeshua) sacrifice being once and for all. By saying animal sacrifices will be brought back, that is basically invalidating the entire New Testament, and is a dangerous theology. I don't think there will be another temple in the millennium (I am a historic premillennialist), and instead think Ezekiel's prophecy was conditional. Somewhere he does mention that if the Israelites obeyed, then the temple would be built. In Ezra and Nehemiah they clearly violated God's commands, which prevented it from being built. Sin still needs the sacrifice of blood to be atoned for, but now that is Jesus' Blood, and not animals. Same thing with circumcision, it was succeeded by baptism. I do believe the Law (Torah) is still in effect. Leviticus mentions blood being needed for sin's atonement, that wasn't destroyed, Jesus fulfilled it. Leviticus sacrificial system wasn't abolished, rather Jesus basically gave it an infinite supply (If that makes sense). Places like Leviticus 18 and 20 are obviously still in effect, and I believe that Leviticus 11 is too. Though we might disagree on Leviticus 11. You were spot on about David Wilber being wrong about animal sacrifices. I might not agree with all of your points, but you still were right a lot, and I still enjoyed it. Anyway thank you for the great video, and have a blessed day!
You believing the Torah is still in effect Damns you. You are adding to the Cross of Jesus Christ.
God doesn't care what "you believe"
Sean Griffin is to blame for this heresy. These Hebrew Roots people deny the Son.
I see nothing wrong with observing the true Sabbath and Passover. Those are clearly still observed in Acts and the Epistles. And we should not eat unclean meat.
But denying the work of Jesus is a bridge too far.
@@G.S.Holland Hey, David does not deny Christ's sacrifice, he's explained that the animal sacrifices and Jesus' sacrifice have different functions. They don't provide the same thing for mankind.
We don't deny the Son. We refuse the man made Trinity doctrine. There's a difference. YHWH isn't the Son. And the Son is NOT YHWH.
@@AmaniiRoy- Exactly. Neither does Sean @kingdomincontext
@@thechronicillnessdiaries2773 I have to disagree, I think Sean does denigrate the sacrifice of Christ by teaching that his literal death did not take away our sin as it relates to salvation. I agree, that Christ is God's created & begotten son though
@@AmaniiRoy you saying "David does not deny Christ's sacrifice, he's explained that the animal sacrifices and Jesus' sacrifice have different functions. They don't provide the same thing for mankind."
Not only tells us that David denies Christ's sacrifice, it also tells us so do you -- Sucks for you
Animal sacrifice existed with Jews was due to marriage still exists within family members when God had stopped it giving laws unto Moses.
Marriage with brothers and sisters of the same parents---a symbolic of animal life kingdom---till Jesus had to come and replaces the animal kingdom life into human kingdom life of godly law
The book of song of songs proves the animal life kingdom exists.
Worst of worst was with the gentiles of the manifestation of the animal life kingdom in them till Jesus came--- made them become human.
Torah Keeping as dress rehearsal for the millennium... too bad were in it right now, with no physical temple.
Rob ANOTHER example of Bable speak, when you add language of bias Adoms ie man it all turns to babble of differant languages...
Follow Messiah! That Means HIS ways, not that of the lawless religions ...
41:13 they are for different things. Nothing in the law of moses is about "eternal life"🤦♂️
Rob, so glad your doing this. With all the push back from our brothers and sisters in the Torah movement, you still keep going. Keep fighting the good fight. God is with you my brother, and His Gospel will prevail. By grace through faith in Christ we’re saved, not by works will we enter His rest, by His grace through faith ‘alone’. Don’t give up. Keep swinging! 🥊🥊🥊 😊
Anyone pushing back are NOT a Christian's brother or sister. News Flash they are Cultists and push a damnable false gospel
What an awesome conclusion at the end. I hope people will not just skip through the video like David Wilbur said he did, in his comment, but I hope they will really listen and hear the parts they want to brush over. Well done brother.
@@akb9107 Indeed, and it's clear Mr. Wilbur didn't diligently listen to this 😔 given his embaressing "rebuttal" if it can be called that, released this morning. I'm not saying this toward David on a personal level, rather I generally wonder why anyone would bother making a rebuttal video if they don't address the points made/watch the initial video to begin with? To cut out a small snippet of what someone says, and disregard everything else is hardly refuting anything.
As one of my favourite quotes says: "We can do all things through a verse (or quote) out of context"
Blessings 🙏🏼
Well done. I am a little amazed that people can't just read the Bible and see it. It is so clear. That Christ fulfilled the Atonement is stated plainly time after time in the Bible. There is a reason they only quote part of the verse, do not think I have come to abolish the Law", without the rest, "but to fulfill it".
On ya Robsta!
Best presentation and rebuttal in my opinion you've ever done‼️
Keep on punching for the finished work of the cross, I'm praying for you!
This clip clearly revealed a dishonest representation of your consistent biblical stance by David.
Proud of you and your ministry!
Bless ya heaps! Al.
Thank you, Al!
Blessings,
Robsta
Rob Rob Rob... Great job in pointing out his teaching will condemn him. It's so important that him and his students that want to be different and hate the typical way of Christianity,(which only shows it's their egos), their false gospels will cause people to stumble because their teaching really comes down to a work based salvation. Robbing God of his TRUE sacrifice.
Thanks for the teaching! 🙏
When one understands that the temple in Ezekiel was a description of the "potential" second temple and it's fulfillment was conditional on Israel's response to the prophet one has no more problems with these future sin sacrifices.
We can also discard this idea of a literal future temple being built in which clearly sin sacrafice are being offered.
Ezekiel 43:10-11
[10]Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
[11]And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.
We know that the nation was not repentant and that only about 50 000 returned to rebuild the temple.
Hope this helps 🙏
I was going to comment the same thing. It is the Temple that never was. Gotta notice the "IF" statement. God's promises often have conditions and if they are not met, the promise does not come to pass. I pray Solberg will study this out. I learned about this from Steve Gregg and I would love for Solberg to have Steve on his show to discuss. It is very important.
@@narrowway4626 Amen!
Steve Greg is a fabulous teacher for sure 👌
God bless 🙌
I hadn’t considered this. I’m going to look into this more. It really would completely destroy their entire premise that because it will be done again in the future, that supports “keeping Torah” until we have one again.
I believe Ezekiel's temple is the Millenial temple still to come. We have the measurements so we shouldn't be fooled by the third temple that the AC will sit in
@@seanvann1747 So you think that if Israel had repented, the second temple would have had water flowing out of its side that went to heal the nations, restore the Dead Sea, etc., all before the Messiah came? That doesn’t make any sense.
The New Testament writers were very clear on this. One example is in Revelation 22, where the chapter begins with a depiction of a pure river of water of life flowing from the throne and having trees of life with leaves for healing on either side of it, corresponding to Ezekiel's river in chapter 47. How we can know this is not some future river? Because the Spirit and the bride say come and drink from the water of life, meaning, it is already readily and freely available now, not some future thing to await. Anything short of seeing Ezekiel's visions as being fulfilled is as you say, a false gospel. Bless you
Debating with Hebrew Roots people seems like throwing pearls before swine. I know a couple that got caught up in it and all that they want to do is argue and sit back in judgement against other Christians.
I agree with you up to a point, Joe. There is no profit in arguing for the sake of arguing. But when it comes to teachers who have ministries that are influencing people I believe a direct approach is needed. These are wolves among the sheep. And I believe God raises up sheepdogs in every generation whose duty is to take a stand and expose them.
"We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ" (2 Cor. 10:5).
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots 👍
@@TheBiblicalRoots Rob, by this comment, do you mean to label David Wilber a wolf among the sheep? Or are you not referring to him, but others? Just clarifying.
“ throwing pearls before swine “…maybe actually bring up some scripture which can be debated or don’t you know any…Got Torah Got Truth
@@harryabrahams2770 I'm sure you have Google, look up the scripture I was referring to.
Thank you so much for sharing this class ,God bless you 🙏🏻❤️
This video is getting me excited to talk with you later this month. We will definitely have some interesting similarities and differences to discuss. You are absolutely correct that the animal sin sacrifices do not fit in the New Covenant.
How can any Christian believe they could, or ever did atone for sin?
@@ScottRachelson777maybe this:
And all its fat he shall burn on the altar, like the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings. So the priest shall make atonement for him for his sin, and he shall be forgiven.
- Leviticus 4:26
It isn’t a question of if animal sacrifices atoned for sin. That’s clear. The question is how do we understand that atonement in light of Christ’s atonement.
@@TheBeginningOfWisdom I agree with your position. I have never not agreed with it.
I'm Jewish and I use to go to the Messiah Conference in PA. I also attended Jan Rosenberg's Messianic Congregation in NJ. The congregants used to confuse me about what exactly their position on the Law of Moses and its sacrifices were. It always seemed like they were being circumlocutory and discursive in their phrasing and framing of their positions and arguments.
@@TheBeginningOfWisdom I understand "atonement in light of Christ's sacrifice" as follows:
1. The Law of Moses set Israel apart from the world, establishing how the nation was to conduct itself differently from the Gentile nations. It served as a testimony to God's holiness and moral requirements.
2. The Law acted as our tutor, leading us to Christ by revealing how burdensome it is to live under its strict demands. It demonstrated the weight of trying to achieve righteousness through human effort.
3. The Law was a shadow of heavenly realities, foreshadowing the ultimate and perfect sacrifice of Christ. Its rituals and sacrifices pointed to the greater reality of Jesus’ atoning work.
@@ScottRachelson777 amen
There will be no physical temple in the millenia - Rev 21:22 "I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple"
That's new creation, not a future millennium. Some bible headers confuse this.
Hey Rob, considering that David is busy and doesn't have time to discuss with you. Why don't you reach out to Caleb Hegg? He said he's attempted to contact you for a discussion. I'm curious as to why you won't discuss it with someone who isn't busy and has had talks with Andrew Schumacher
It would seem to me that Mr. Wilber missed the larger point. If you think believers still have to live by the Law where does that end? If you follow living by the Law for righteousness you must conduct animal sacrifices, and that negates the once for all sacrifice of Jesus. He is trying to defend the need for animal sacrifice, which is what your question exposes.
When you say "where does it end" can you elaborate a little more on what you mean by this?
@@dre5773 when is it all fullfilled?
@@surethabadenhorst What's the "it" you are referring to?
@@dre5773 the law.
Specifically, OT Mosaic given after Sinai to Israel
@@surethabadenhorst Ok, got it. When you say fulfilled I believe you mean "done" am I correct? If so, then we are looking at fulfilled differently there in Matthew 5:17 I'm assuming. I'm not sure what you use for study tools but if you happen to use Strong's Exhaustive Concordance the word that the translators translated to "fulfill" is Strongs G4137. Here's what is says:
From pleres; to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.
Notice most if not all of these definitions are referring to making something whole. This would make sense as he says "law and prophets". So how does he fulfil the prophets? Well prophecies spoken of him was completed and fully realized, but of course not all prophecies of him have been completed obviously. Likewise we were missing the point of the law which is the spirit of the law, christ brought full realization by teaching about the hearts condition verses just "thou shalt" and "thou shalt not".
If you notice with the Pharisees in Matthew 23 he even says to listen to them but just don't emulate them because they are hypocrites. He mentions also that they are clean on the outside but dirty on the inside.
I know this was alot to read but just wanted to qualify our positions before wasting too much time misunderstanding eachother. So long story short I believe Christ "added" to the law to make in complete...he himself and his revelation as the word is what the law needed.
The Vision of Ezekiel testifies to the facts in Hebrews 13, and 1 Peter 2:5.
Ezekiel writes that the sin offering is a memorial, on the wonderful decoration that lasts forever and ever. A peaceful and pleasant smell forever. If you will note the detail, The sin offering here is to purify the alter, and atone for the sins of the alter eternally. Compare that to the instructions given to the Levite priests, which clearly show that sin offerings were to atone for the sins of the person, and to purify the worshipper. The vision of the future of Israel shows a constant offering of pleasure, with a memorial sacrifice taking place forever that indicates that Sin is on the alter and done away with forever, yet the memory is to remain and be ministered by the sons of Zadok
Thank you for all your videos! I have a brother who is neck-deep in this movement. By some strange way, the theological disagreement devolved into my brother deciding to cut off family ties. But by God’s sovereign grace and providence, through the turmoil, other family members have understood and witnessed the dangers of tampering with the gospel.
Hebrews 10:17 “And their sins and their lawless deeds I will no longer remember [Jeremiah 31:34].” 18 Now where there is forgiveness of these things, an offering for sin is no longer. (NASB)
Hebrews 10:26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has ignored the Law of Moses is put to death without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severe punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay [Deuteronomy 32:35].” And again, “The Lord will judge His people [Deuteronomy 32:36].” 31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God. (NASB)
The HRM just does not get the fact that they are not supposed to follow the gospel of the kingdom but follow the gospel of grace. They will have to endure to the end of the tribulation or be martyred to see their salvation
I find it interesting that David says he is too busy to have a chat with you….but not too busy to make lame rebuttal videos made of straw men and bad argumentation.
In the tribulation they will have to follow the law but they will need to become Jews
It is hard for HR people to understand the nuances because the lense in which they view things is very carnal(carnally minded Romans 8). They obsess over the letter and miss the spiritual, also they tend to be hyper-literal. Their minds are stayed on the carnal aspects of the law so they have a veil over their eyes to the nuances/spiritual.
This is facts. Also why people like Sean Griffin have gone soooo far off course and made completely new heretical interpretations of the Bible through his carnal hyper literal lens. Jesus performing animal sacrifices in heaven? Anyone who believes anything he says definitely has a veil.
Rom 8:7 For the mindset of the flesh is hostile toward God, for it does not submit itself to the law of God-for it cannot.
They need to convert to Judaism for the kingdom gospel to apply to them
Can you go over why Paul was going to go through with a Nazarite vow (that is commanded to include a sin sacrifice and purification process) before he was arrested in the temple? Why would James the leader of the church tell him to do that to show he was not teaching apostasy since these men knew the gospel? Surely these men did not believe animal sin sacrifice was for salvation right.
Was Paul supporting a false gospel?
Paul said he does it all for the gospel!
"Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings." (1 Cor 9:19-23)
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRoots why would he have to “act” as if he was going to do a sin sacrifice to the leaders of the church? He would be doing what he taught not to do in Galatians 2 which is appeal to and fear authority ( his fellow Jewish brothers).
This was all after he written the majority of his letters and took lashes and was getting kicked out of synagogues and cities by Jews and gentiles.
By the way event in Acts 21, if for existing believers and not unbelievers, to show Paul was not against or teaching contrary the law. So your verse doesn’t work in this context since all the people already had the gospel.
@@TheBiblicalRoots Exactly!!
@@TheBiblicalRootsRob, it seems you are imposing your view of 1 Corinthians 9 onto Acts 21, even though the latter doesn’t state that.
When does Scripture say death will come to an end?? Will that include animals?
we have been in the Millennium since the Accession. Just saying .................. 1000 years means 'long time'
Third offer. Would you like to have a dialogue with me?
Hi, Courtney. Hit me up and let me know what you have in mind: thebiblicalroots.org/#contact
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Sounds great! Will do.
New channel logo, who dis
You mention Day of atonement but your book says Jesus was the Passover sacrifice. So which is it? Don’t say it’s both, that’s even more false.
@@kimartist it’s because Christians try to act like Jews and don’t really know what they’re talking about. It’s the same way you believe lies, like Jesus being God, when he never claimed to be, said to teach he is, or that it’s any part of salvation. Christians are pretty clueless. They go off man’s teachings.
Yeshua can prophetically fulfill both sacrifices in different ways.
@@XavierPutnam pretty dumb answer. Yeshua was never his name either. It’s not even Hebrew. Try again?
Both!
@@TheBiblicalRoots two different days. Jesus is not said to be the day of atonement sacrifice. This is nothing more than another Christian lie.
I'd argue that this section is telling us not to go to the actual Temple: Hebrews 13:13-15- "Therefore let us go to him OUTSIDE THE CAMP and bear the reproach he endured. For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come. Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name."
The end of EZ paralles end of Revelation which states there is no temple
Isaiah 58:13 (KJV)
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:
Isaiah 66:23 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Ezekiel 46:4 (KJV)
And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day [shall be] six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.
Ezekiel 46:12 (KJV)
Now when the prince shall prepare a voluntary burnt offering or peace offerings voluntarily unto the LORD, [one] shall then open him the gate that looketh toward the east, and he shall prepare his burnt offering and his peace offerings, as he did on the sabbath day: then he shall go forth; and after his going forth [one] shall shut the gate.
You are incorrect.
There is but one people of GOD .
Any that obey HIS laws .
Nothing complicated.
Simple common sense .
It only gets complicated when people like you and the Pharisee try to teach .
The Pharisee added to the law .
People like you take away from the law .
Hi Rob, thanks for the rebuttal. Not sure when I'll get time to watch the whole thing, but I did skip around to the part where you accused me of teaching a false gospel for agreeing with the scholarly consensus regarding the purpose of the Torah's sin sacrifices. Quick question: did Paul belittle the glorious, once and for all sacrifice of Jesus when he endorsed the giving of sin sacrifices at the temple in Acts 21? (Hope you won't delete this comment like you did the last time I commented on one of your videos.)
I'm curious why neither of you make your arguments about words such as "fulfill" from the Greek word underlying it. Surely there is a clue about what it actually means, eh?
@@tbishop4961 I literally wrote an entire book titled “How Jesus Fulfilled the Law” lol. I do get into the Greek quite a bit. Let me know what you think if you decide to check it out.
@@DavidWilberBlog ok. Sorry. I haven't seen it
@@DavidWilberBlog I'm not a student of greek. But I do study hebrew. I notice that frequently English speaking Christians will argue a point about a scripture from an English word where the underlying hebrew words do not support the direction they want to take it
I'd suggest taking an elementary course on language and logic 101. In what way does a "once for all" sacrifice harmonize with a renewal of temple sacrifices in the future? You seem to be engaging in conceptual gerrymandering by tinkering with the usual understanding of what 'once for all' means.
Ezekiel 40-48 does not mention a roof. So this temple, if we take it literally and physically will have no roof.
Rather, we should understand this in lot of the New Testament, which states that Christ‘s body is the temple and we believers are the temple today because the spirit dwells in us and then look at the imagery of revelation 21 through 22 and compared to Ezekiel 40-48 and how it is full of edenic imagery pointing to the New heaven and earth.
So good. Thanks brother Rob, this is what a church service ought to be like. You’re spoiling us. 😅
Anyone teaching a different gospel is not a brother.
30:00 - why does this have to be “in the millennium”? Ezekiel may as well be talking about the second temple that was actually built in fifth century BC?? To think that Ezekiel saw passed the second coming of Christ is just fantasy as far as I’m concerned.
I was wondering that too!
@@kimartist - I went ahead and read Ez 40-48 again to refresh myself. It’s clearly not talking about Jesus’s reign as it says:
“On that day the prince shall provide for himself and all the people of the land a young bull for a sin offering.”
Ezekiel 45:22 ESV
It also talks about how to transfer the land of the Prince to his offspring. Whoever this Prince is leader of the People so if that is Jesus, he is making sacrifice for himself and actually having physical offspring. It’s ludicrous! What this looks like to me is a sort of “reimagining of what Israel could have had” had they been faithful, a taunt rather than a promise. Notice how it opens:
“And the man said to me, “Son of man, look with your eyes, and hear with your ears, and set your heart upon all that I shall show you, for you were brought here in order that I might show it to you. Declare all that you see to the house of Israel.””
Ezekiel 40:4 ESV
It’s not so much a prophecy of the future but rather a lament for what they could have been. That’s my take.
@@gregmahler9506 Jesus has always been reigning
@@salpezzino7803- who takes up the reigns here?
“saying, “We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty, who is and who was, for you have taken your great power and begun to reign.”
Revelation 11:17 ESV
I don’t agree that Jesus has always been reigning otherwise it makes certain passages meaningless. Here is another that becomes meaningless.
“But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.”
1 Corinthians 15:23-28 ESV
Also Jesus clearly was not reigning during his incarnation because he had stepped down.
@@gregmahler9506 you are telling Jesus the 2nd Person of the Godhead is Not reigning? "Jesus clearly was not reigning during his incarnation because he had stepped down"
So you believe Jesus was truly God and truly Man?
Where is the beginning of Jesus's reign in 1 Cor 15? Read it again
Jesus is reigning over the entire universe, over absolutely everything
“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.” - Jesus
Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
Mr Solberg, I would love to chat with you sometime. I will be posting a livestream this Wednesday at 7:00 pm CST where I will be responding to your videos. I would be honored if you would be willing to talk with me on the phone, or join in the live chat.
Thanks. Lex! I got your email. I will get back to soon.
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots
Prayers are with you Rob! Keep up defending the faith.
9 ¶ History merely repeats itself. It has all been done before. Nothing under the sun is truly new. Ecclesiastics chapter 1
A lot of learning and unlearning on God’s redemptive plan through his Son Jesus Christ.
Reminds me of 3 ¶ For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear.
4 They will reject the truth and chase after myths.
5 ¶ But you should keep a clear mind in every situation. Don’t be afraid of suffering for the Lord. Work at telling others the Good News, and fully carry out the ministry God has given you. 2nd Timothy chapter 4
@@TheBiblicalRoots I look forward to the conversation.
Blessings,
Lex.
John MacArthur is a Calvinist who preaches a different gospel.
Calvinism is biblical Christianity. Please explain to me how it is a false gospel without being emotional about it.
More often than not people who are offended by Calvinism reject the idea of only some who were chosen to be saved. Unless you're a universalist, I don't see why that is offensive. You don't think Hindus, Muslims, or Buddhists are saved, do you? So you still believe in the exclusivity of salvation.
I believe there is a fundamental problem with David's and Torahists's positions. They believe some kind of righteousness acceptable to God can come from following the Law! They miss the very purpose, nature and reason of and for the Law, as put in 1st Timothy, 1: 9-10: the Law was given not to the righteous, but to the rebels, the ungodly, because the people failed to trust in God in the desert.... Yet God is not done with Israel (no room for replacement theology as you say). As for us (everyone under the new covenant, jew or gentile), by faith in Christ alone we are made righteous and acceptable to God, because He (Jesus) did not fail!
Preach it brother 'Berg! You know for a while I thought you were going far too easy on this guy's teachings. But you brought that gospel gavel down heavy at the end!
If the SAME GOSPEL was preached to those in the wilderness…how are the N.T. and O.T. GOSPELS the same..Got Torah Got Truth
David's position that twists Scripture together like wicker furniture teaches a false gospel indeed.
David learned wicker weaving from his father, the Father of Lies
@salpezzino7803 Agreed. He's definitely teaching lies and they've been exposed in this video.
I suppose Peter, Paul, and John etc… (Believers who participated in temple sacrifices post-resurrection) all had some serious theological problems despite literally writing the rest of the Bible.
where are all those sacrifices in the NT? I wonder why Paul didn't keep the 3 annual pilgrimage feasts and NEVER took one of his Church plants to Jerusalem with him to keep these feasts?????
You, David the Satanist and Al in your Cult are truly Damned
Shalom
The Bible states that to love God and to love people sums up the entirety of the law and then Mr. Solberg states that the law is “permitted, but not required for Christians”does that mean it is permitted but not required that a Christian should love God and love people?
That's not quite accurate, HipFam. I didn't say *_the law_* is permitted but not required, I said *_some Mosaic rituals._*
R
Hello Professor Solberg! (: Do you believe that Messianic Jews have to follow the totality of the Old Testament Law?
Hi Travis. No, I don't believe *_any_* follower of Jesus is under the old covenant law. "We are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code" (Rom. 7:6).
Blessings,
Rob
I dont understand, where in hebrew bible it indicates, that temple rituals/sacrifices will be only "memorials" 😂
I understand that you don't understand
The Word is Folly to those who are DEAD, like you and David the Satanist Charlatan
Shalom
Jesus’s sacrifice has nothing to do with the day of atonement. Not sure why you’re bringing it up. If Paul offered a sacrifice at all, then it denies what is said in Hebrews about Jesus being the final sacrifice.
There is no animal sacrifice that can conquer DEATH…even the Pharisees believed in the resurrection…….first fruits is all about the resurrection…Got Torah Got Truth
@@harryabrahams2770 human sacrifice is an abomination to God. Therefore your demigod sacrifice wouldn’t be accepted.
Jesus said he’s coming back soon.
2,000 years isn’t soon.
The bible clearly says :
Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
&
Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
There is no argument that the atonements offered in the sacrifice were not what Christ's Atonement that was active by promise since before the foundation of the world was as the true.
The fact is that we are all guilty of not offering the appropriate sacrifices according to the Law, even today, but even according to God's Law in Lev 17, we have no Altar, Priesthood or Temple / Tabernacle to do so- God chose to destroy it and remove that system out of his sight.
To offer a sacrifice now would be a sin in and of itself according to Lev 17.
Nevertheless, Christ's sacrifice is the very image of all sacrifices, His predestined body and his body, his everlasting body does what the Sacrifices only shadowed and typified.
Sin has always been atoned in heaven by the Sacrifice of Christ from before the world was until after the world ends.
Sacrificing under a proper priesthood still was never the object of heavenly atonement.
Christ's can forgive our sin of not offering the appropriate sacrifices too, he is strong enough to do that for the elect, but the wicked unsaved, on the other hand, will be crushed by the sin incurred for this besides all the rest.
Rob, again, you said it around the 7 min mark.
Don't you listen to yourself.
"If we want to commit adultery, go for it. We are free in Christ to keep those traditions not to do it."
And why do you say its traditions? Is it not part of God's law?
And why do you only mention the feasts, sabbath and dietary laws? Acts 15 has 3 dietary laws that they said we must still keep. Do you keep them?
Hi Alex. The "laws" of God that define right and wrong were true long before the Law of Moses was given. So when God commands us not to murder today, it’s not because of the Ten Commandments. It’s because of His universal principle against murder. Long before God gave Israel the Law of Moses, Cain was judged for murdering his brother Abel (Gen 4:8-16). Same thing with adultery. Unfaithfulness and sexual immorality were wrong long before the Law of Moses, as we see, for example, in the story of Joseph fleeing Potiphar’s wife (Gen 39:12-18).
The Bible teaches that the Law of Moses was given at a specific time to specific people for a specific purpose. Much of what was given at Mount Sinai included God's universal "laws" about right and wrong and loving God, which were in effect long before the Law was given. But the purpose of the Law of Moses was not to set a new moral standard. It was to turn a group of recent slaves into the nation of Israel and set them apart for God. And embedded in those Mosaic laws of ceremony, ritual, distinction, and civil order were shadows that pointed to Christ. And it's _those_ laws that have been fulfilled by Christ and are no longer binding under the New Covenant.
Rob
the Natural law is the 10 Commandments which are written on humanities hearts. We are created in God's image. However they were corrupted after the fall.
When God turns those who are His hearts from stone to flesh they then become uncorrupted.
Acts 15's restrictions were given to the Gentile Believers so not to cause the Jewish Believers not to stumble. Just keep that in mind,
@TheBiblicalRoots
Sabbath (gen2 and ex 16), clean and unclean food ( Gen 6), sacrifices(Gen 4) and feasts( ex 12)were also given long before Moses.
There is no verse in the Bible that talks about moral, civil, seremonial laws. But there are verses talking about one law, so all the laws have the same weight. Brake one you brake them all.
@salpezzino7803 Natural laws are the 10 commandments minus the sabbath, so it's only 9.
No acts 15 was given so they could stop sinning. The next verse(21) says the have to go to the synagogue on the SABBATH to learn the rest of the law.
@@alexblack6634 almost. the 10 Commandments are the 10 Commandments. not 9. God wrote them with His finger, they weren't given by angels as the law of Moses was.
9 Commandments is a false teaching, The Lord's Day is the Christian Sabbath
I believe there are a lot of misunderstandings. The sacrificial system goes along with the temple and Levitical priesthood. No sacrifice is needed for forgiveness but for cleansing. To participate in temple service and worship it is necessary to cleanse the area and instruments and the people.
Without the temple the only permitted sacrifices were thanksgiving sacrifices.
Cain and Abel are the first people to make a sacrifice to God, these weren’t sin sacrifices but for thanksgiving. Cains’ sacrifice was rejected because he mistook it as a sacrifice of works, the reason why he got jealous as people today get jealous when someone reaps a reward for less work than they did. There were never sacrifices to achieve forgiveness of sin. That’s not how the sacrificial system works.
Jesus was not a ritualistic sin sacrifice. He was a sacrifice as he explained himself of a person who dies for a friend. But not only did he die for his friends, but his enemies, too. His blood unlike Abel doesn’t cry for vengeance but forgiveness.
Excellent
Finally after reading all the comments I find someone who actually knows their Bible. Well done brother.
@@rightousliving “there were never sacrifices to achieve the forgiveness of sin”
Ok
And almost all things are cleansed with blood, according to the Law, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.
Hebrews 9:22
But I know, I’m reading it wrong.
@@davidmorris7476 well, that’s Hebrews. Is there anything that backs his theory up on the Torah that there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood? As far as I know blood is used for atonement only, not forgiveness. Yet they are closely related. However the statement in Hebrews is wrong.
@@rightousliving what do you mean by the statement in Hebrews is wrong?
David Wilber tries to revive the Thoraism when there is no way.
Excellent, message Rob... Regarding the ongoing discourse of supersessionism, the Bible clearly states that these two assertions are true:
1) The New Testament (new covenant) ekklesia replaced the Old Testament (Mosaic covenant) ekklesia. Can you identify some differences between the OT ekklesia and the NT ekklesia?
2) When the Son of Man returns in glory He will judge the living (Sheep & Goat Judgment), and He will regather and restore Israel (the houses of Israel and Judah).
Note something; there are multiple fulfillments of the promises to Abraham and to his seed. I believe Scripture bears out a dual fulfillment of the promises to Abraham and to his Seed, when the Son of Man returns in glory.
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Key verse for the fulfillment to the natural descendants:
Romans 9:4 "They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises."
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To the natural descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, a fulfillment of:
- People (Jeremiah 23:3,5-6; Ezekiel 11:17; Ezekiel 20:33-38; Zechariah 13:9; Romans 11:26-27)
- Land (Leviticus 26:42; Deuteronomy 11:21; Ezekiel 20:42; Ezekiel 36:28; Jeremiah 30:3)
- Blessing (Isaiah 59:20-21; Jeremiah 31:33; Ezekiel 11:19-20; Ezekiel 36:26-27; Ezekiel 37:14; Zechariah 12:10)
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Key verse for the fulfillment to the spiritual descendants of Abraham, counted righteous by faith; the OT & NT saints:
Romans 4:13 "For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith.
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To the spiritual descendants of Abraham, counted righteous by faith, a fulfillment of:
- People (Daniel 7:18,22; John 10:16; Ephesians 2:15; Hebrews 11:40, 12:23; Revelation 1:5-6; 5:9; 7:9; 14:4; 19:7-8; 20:4)
- Land (Daniel 7:27; Romans 4:13; Matthew 5:5)
- Blessing (Daniel 12:1-2; Hebrews 11:40, 12:23; Romans 8:29-30; 1 Corinthians 15:42-44; Philippians 3:20-21; Colossians 3:4; 1 John 3:2; Revelation 20:6)
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To recap, I believe the promises to Abraham and to his Seed (in the Messianic kingdom) are fulfilled to the natural descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and to the spiritual descendants, the sons of Abraham counted righteous by faith.
People - Repentant Israel/resurrected saints of God
Land - Israel (expanded)/the whole earth
Blessing - regeneration/glorification
And all of this occurs when the Son of Man returns as King (Daniel 7:14; Matthew 25:31; Revelation 11:15).
Blessings
Gospel verses that show Jesus came to warn that generation of the impending resurrection and judgement aka Jacob's trouble as the time was fulfilled.
Matthew 3:1-2 KJV
[1] In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judæa, [2] and saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 3:7 KJV
[7] But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Matthew 3:10 KJV
[10] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 3:12 KJV
[12] whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Matthew 4:17 KJV
[17] From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 10:7 KJV
[7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 10:15 KJV
[15] Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Matthew 10:23 KJV
[23] But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Matthew 12:32 KJV
[32] And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Matthew 12:39 KJV
[39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Matthew 12:41 KJV
[41] The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Matthew 12:42 KJV
[42] The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
Matthew 16:27-28 KJV
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. [28] Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matthew 19:28 KJV
[28] And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 21:40-45 KJV
[40] When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? [41] They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. [42] Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner: This is the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? [43] Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. [44] And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. [45] And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
Matthew 24:34 KJV
[34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matthew 26:64 KJV
[64] Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mark 1:15 KJV
[15] and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mark 12:9-12 KJV
[9] What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others. [10] And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected Is become the head of the corner: [11] This was the Lord's doing, And it is marvellous in our eyes? [12] And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.
Mark 13:30 KJV
[30] Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Luke 3:7 KJV
[7] Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Luke 3:9 KJV
[9] And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Luke 3:17 KJV
[17] whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn with fire unquenchable.
Luke 10:2 KJV
[2] Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.
Luke 10:9 KJV
[9] and heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luke 20:15-18 KJV
[15] So they cast him out of the vineyard, and killed him. What therefore shall the lord of the vineyard do unto them? [16] He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and shall give the vineyard to others. And when they heard it, they said, God forbid. [17] And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, The same is become the head of the corner? [18] Whosoever shall fall upon that stone shall be broken; but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Luke 21:22 KJV
[22] For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luke 21:23 KJV
[23] But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luke 23:28-30 KJV
[28] But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children. [29] For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck. [30] Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
Luke 24:21 KJV
[21] But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.
John 5:24-25 KJV
[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. [25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 9:39 KJV
[39] And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
John 12:31 KJV
[31] Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
John 21:22 KJV
[22] Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
@@lindsayball5080 Thank youfor sharing these wonderful passages, Lindsay... None of them are in conflict with my two assertions. Matthew 21:43 and others support my first assertion.
Question for you... To whom is Jesus speaking in Matthew 23:37-39 when He says, "See, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'"
In addition, you shared with me Matthew 16:27 and Matthew 26:64, which both describe the future event when the Son of Man will return to the earth in great glory, taking up His throne to judge the living at the end of the age. These two passages support my second assertion.
Amen?
@BrotherInChrist the jews in that day. God destroyed their temple ending the old covenant. Then judged the nations and Jesus returned. We live after the mk in the little season of satan
@@lindsayball5080 nothing you say is heard by this guy, he is a big sack of cr*p
@lindsayball5080 Lindsay, I vehemently disagree with the notion that Jesus has returned in glory and has judged the nations. Based on that interpretation, everyone currently alive is regenerated and Christ is ruling with an iron rod, and his glorified saints reigning with him. There are several more reasons that your doctrine is not biblical.
With that said, I pray your faith in Christ is unmovable!
I came to abolish "the law' and the prophets
Rest assured, Jesus did not contradict the Law in any point. In the same sermon, Jesus makes sure no one misunderstood: “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them” (Matthew 5:17).
Jesus’ point in the Sermon on the Mount was that God sees the heart, and that we are actually held to a higher standard than external conformity to a set of rules. The Pharisees taught that, as long as you did the right things, you were “holy.” Jesus said not so; “For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:20).
Jesus is teaching the necessity of having a heart to follow God. Putting on an act and going through the motions of serving God is dishonest. It is also futile, because God sees through the masks we wear (see Mark 7:6). A person who pretends to be holy on the outside yet nurtures a sinful heart is a hypocrite. The Pharisees, who everyone thought were holy, were guilty of just such dissimulation. God doesn’t want more religious activity; He wants a heart dedicated to Him. Holiness starts on the inside.
In Matthew 5:21-22, for example, Jesus says, “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment.” The external command was “do not murder.” This is a good command; we should not murder people. But we make a mistake if we think that’s where our responsibility ends. Jesus said, in essence, God sees your heart. If you have hatred in your heart, then you are just as guilty as the murderer in God’s eyes. The Pharisees’ attitude was, “I am good; I haven’t murdered anyone.” Jesus countered, “No, you are guilty because there is murder in your heart.”
It’s the difference between the letter of the Law and the spirit behind it. Keeping the letter of the Law doesn’t make you righteous (see Galatians 2:16). None of us can keep the whole Law perfectly, anyway. God requires a heart transformation; we must be born again (John 3:7).
God is looking for more than the external practice of religion. People might seem holy to other people, but that’s not the standard. Over and over, the Bible stresses purity of heart before the One who examines the heart (1 Chronicles 29:17; Psalm 24:4; 51:10; Matthew 5:8; 2 Timothy 2:22).
The Law was good and proper. Its purpose was to define sin and delineate holiness. Jesus was not in any way negating the Law; He was showing us the reason for the Law. Jesus fulfilled the Law in that He was the only person to ever keep the whole Law, even in His heart, without sin (Hebrews 4:15).
christians are not required to do anything, period. christians are not under law, above the law, and a law unto themselves. They can devise whatever idealogy fits their interpretation, by means of different denominations, of which there are currently about 25,000+ in mainstream christianity.
Christ-followers, on the other hand, are bound to obey as good sons and daughters. As Yeshua said, 'if you love Me, obey my commands.'
The typical western aversion to law is rather juvenile and immature, in that antinomian folks are anxious to be 'free moral agents' and 'led by the spirit' as a rationale for doing what they want, because the franchise manager [pastor] said so.
This is a rather dangerous position and reeks of humanism. If one starts to regard the Ten Words as a list of options, then one can reason their way out of obedience.
This is evident in modern christianity since they disregard Shabbat, [sun-day law] sanctity of marriage [widespread divorce], murder [rampant abortion]. But they hold the label of christian.
At some point, we should appreciate our Father's loving instructions, stop asking 'What does God require?' and begin asking, 'What does God desire?'
Some of Solberg's positions are based on presumptions which are held by the church but not based on the Bible.
The offerings are coming back, as we read in Jeremiah 33. The Lord calls day and night, the armies of heaven and the sand by the sea as witnesses of this promise.
As we know Torah applies to the nation of B'nai Israel [the nation] in Eretz Israel [the land] while the Temple is operational.
Right now, we don't have a Temple, which constitutes the continuation of the exile in Jewish thought. We can't properly do any of the offerings until the Temple is up and running.
Should we abdicate all responsibility to obey Torah and just do freestyle christianity? What did the Jews in Babylon do while in exile? They observed and obeyed as best they could for 70 years until Ezra and others restored the Temple.
The proper temple will probably not be the 3rd one, but the 4th [Ezekiel's] Temple, as we read the description in his last 8 chapters.
None of the Torah has been revoked, replaced or superseded; it has been disobeyed, but it still stands.
Yeshua taught in Matthew 5:17-18 that He did not come to abolish but to complete. Completion does not mean Abolition. I am completing my marriage covenant with my wife this year but not abolishing it. I will continue to complete it next year.
Yah never said 'stop'. Yeshua never said stop. Even though the priesthood was corrupt in Yeshua's time, He still worshipped at the Temple and taught that Torah must be observed.
There will still be sin on the earth in Yeshua's millennial reign, and offerings will still be performed by the cohanim of Levi - refer again to Jeremiah 33.
The offerings belong to the tribe of Levi by covenant, since they have no land inheritance.
When Yeshua sets foot on the Mount of Olives and initiates His yeshiva on Mount Zion in Yerushalayim, He will not teach anything new to the nations that will stream there: He will teach His eternal Torah.
This is the same Torah that Psalm 119 speaks of. It's how righteousness will be taught to the nations and by which He will judge.
If we are able, we can learn His righteous laws now and obey them, receiving His blessing.
Do christians understand, what actually was The Covenant between the God and Israelites? And that covenant supposed to be eternal? How Christians falsely claim, that the Covenant has expired? The Covenant was that ppl of the Israelites were led to the promised land and God would be "their God", nothing else! Did Jesus leaded ppl to the new terrain?😊
This question is at the heart of the gospel and exposes how both you and David Wilbur are wrong about sin, about what true transformation Christ works in his children, and what the sacrifice of Yeshua was given to us for. Stop serving sin and serve the King! Die to yourself that he may live perfectly in you and his blood will truly wash away your sins!
Hebrews 6:4-8 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Romans 6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hebrew 10: 17-18 have to be future. If that was completed and God remembered sins no more, why would there be a call to persevere now. Why would we need to fear the coming fire.