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Guild Wars 3 Name Dropped At Investors Meeting
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2024
- 🫘It would appear another "Guild Wars" project has been greenlit at some point and the "announcement" has happened in one of the worst possible ways: A vaguely negative investors Q&A filled with corpo-speak.
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Give me your thoughts! (FWIW I think it's much easier to be a doomer about this when you're not instantly presented with gameplay footage, trailers, screenshots, juicy stuff).
Potentially, first MMO which development started post 'AI' emergence. Giving the rapid technological progress, we might get a phenomenal product at the end, but.. I hope they will start development 2-3+ years from now. Otherwise, ANet might run into a problem, where they will spent two years on something (engine, assets, etc) only to find out that there are new tool, that can do the same.. but in matter of 3 months.
I agreed with what you were saying about it is a lost in translation. "GW3" is what they decided to call the new expansion content. As well the Satellite content that Anet has been working on with the unreal engine.
I'm in the industry and I briefly talked to a recruiter about joining what I presume was the GW3 project. They were only hiring for key roles last year and really getting staffed for pre-production. Extrapolating from that timeline, they're so early in the pre-production process right now that its unlikely there is anything interesting to see for anyone outside the studio. They'll still be in the stage where the core direction and technologies of the game are being worked out.
@@mezi5860 In other words, Korean cooperate speech for "This IP is getting new content we expect to sell as well as a new game within the IP would"
an Guild Wars 3 mmorpg it will take IMO 5 years to make. So by that time we will all be ready to move on. And they can do the same thing that was done when we move from GW1 to GW2. Time jump. 300, 500, 1000 years, no problem. And there can still be a link to GW2 be waking up Aurene to challenge a new threat
But if we want to keep GW2 mmo and do something new, that will add to the story, I think an CRPG, diablo-style game, would be awesome! :)
Man it REALLY feels like it wasn't meant to be mentioned with how unceremoniously it was just blurted out, probably years before release, while we're not even 1 full expac into what is supposed to be a steady schedule of new gw2 expansions.
Feels like it was Korean corpos speaking to Korean investors, none of which have any real understanding about Guild Wars because it's more of a thing in the west, so they feel safe to mention it in passing.
@@WoodenPotatoes Didn't that same announcement mention the west isn't doing that well?
@@AzureRoxe Yes but NCSoft West wasn't just Arenanet but studios that made failed games like Wildstar.
Someone has to pay for GW3
well, at least nobody gets fired over this as the boss of all NCSoft bosses blurred it out. let's watch the _damage control_ which is most certainly coming - or not as WP pointed. they may decide to just let it cool down and hope everyone forgets about it
This whole thing was clumsy. They're trying to spin the withholding of individual game financials from the quarterly reports as as somehow in shareholder interests, they randomly preempted their studio in announcing a massive new project via this weird passing mention, and they gave generally the worst imaginable defense of NCW leadership short of just insulting the guy who posed the question. I thought these guys were more professional than this tbh, but they read as a bit goofy. Still didn't beat Blizzard "don't you guys have phones!?!?!" but not for lack of trying.
Totally agree man, looks like a shit show and looks like AN got eff'd over.
I have no faith in them maintaining two MMOs. best case scenario is GW3 fixes alot of issues with GW2 and rewards current players for moving on to the new platform.
And that's fine tbh. They need to show they've learned the lesssons of what they did wrong with GW2. Most of it is baked in and cannot be fixed, the stufff that can the window closed years ago. The fan base is used to things that don't equate to profit for the devs, which means a poorly supported and unfrequently updated game.
@@_M.... they haven't learned anything that would be good for the players if that's what you're wondering. I have less faith in any new game produced to have any real substance after seeing the gradual decline of both. Mmos are a dying genre now. So not a good investment anymore.
@@whyisthisathingnow... that's a fair point.
As somebody, who played GW2 super casual over the years, the problem with GW2 is, that all the endgame systems are super convoluted. There are like a million endgame systems, that basically are all dead ends.
In a day and age, where big western AAA MMORPGs aren't made anymore, GW3 could be a huge success.
I have to wonder how far along this Gw3 is actually, because I remember the whispers of a team being put together back in 2019.
Knowing their marketing it could be releasing next week.
@@Fydron We will learn about it by being printed on the side of a random bus in a random city and someone make a photo of it. "Releasing next week!"
thats what they always did, they are far ahead of annoucing. I remember in caudecus mansion, there was at release already the story room with the masks circling around you, and the release of that room was 2-4 years later.
This sounded like a very off the cuff blurb in response to NCSoft Leadership being criticized. Almost like they’re attempted to save face when being presented with the fact that they’re in the negatives profit-wise. Just like you said, we don’t know if that’s actually how the conversation went down, but on the outside it looked like “We’re in the Red, fire this guy” “no wait, they’re making Guild Wars 3”. What’s terrifying is that I wouldn’t bring up Guild Wars 3 in an investor meeting unless I was expecting its release or earnings to impact company stocks within the next fiscal year…so will we see something between now and next January? Who knows.
In this case, it's very possible he misspoke when referencing the new expansion this year. I don't think a GW3 would affect the next fiscal year, as it wouldn't be released during that time I'm sure, but we do know the new expansion will.
They can't fire her, she is the wife of the founder and largest shareholder of NCSoft. That's why he goes on about family.
I could see using guild wars 3 as a way to try to calm down investors, because iirc in their last earnings report they mentioned guild wars 2 as basically the only thing holding up NC West with strong sales. So it could be like a "hey no look, the guys that are making sales are making a new thing!".
Well, I'm not playing GW2 much in the last 5+ years, so a new GW3 would be something I would be interested in.
I honestly haven't even followed the news for 5+ years, I don't even know the state of 2 right now.
@@SkippytWalrus it's in a good state, but sadly I just feel the game engine is what holding the game back.
so if you have not play for 5 years clearly you are going to return 1 month or maximum 1 year and then leave it again.
@@OscarAndresPabonEstrella ah look, Understanding.
I have happily spent far too much money on this game to support it, because I truly believe this game is something special. Even with all my playtime on/off since 2012 and all the money spent (like for god sake, I collect the chair skins etc like it's a ocd sport) I still would appreciate a Guild Wars 3 eventually, but I don't think it would be smart to allude to that quite yet. GW2 still has a lot of life in it, and I see so many newer players in maps nowadays and still always have people to do content with. That being said, the game is getting so limited based on the coding it's created from and there is only so much improvements they can do to further the game while keeping it stabilized.
I just hope what further content we get continues to be engaging for those of us who hold this game in high regard.
TY for your analysis as always WP
I think it's fine cause I reckon Gw3 isn't happening anytime soon. Maybe around 2028-2030s. Gw2 will have plenty of time to wrap up until then imo. Love the game but it'll be a vintage title at that point with outdated features.
It never occurred to you that a sequel to a game that is already a sequel could be a high possibility?
@@australienski6687 In fairness, how many other MMOs have a 3rd iteration? Are there any? I guess Everquest Next would have been - but it never happened
@@Kyniel Closest I can think of is Runescape 3. GW3 was always in the back of my mind when playing GW2. I'm honestly surprised it hasn't happened sooner.
Hopefully GW3 will have better writing. Would love to come back to the franchise.
Solid move would be to do a game in the style of GW1 and then keep GW2 active as a seperate product
@@MaTe-du2lw new gw 3 need to give open world pvp,siege wars and teritory wars this is whats game missing!PvE is probably the best in gw2 there is no better game than gw 2 at moment!
@@Vujkan Open world PvP would make GW3 like BDO and drive away most of the casual players who are the ones paying most of the money that keeps GW2 profitable. That would be the worst decision Anet could make for GW3.
I don't really know what happened to some gamers, maybe it's that we have been given too much too fast. Back in the days you played Super Mario and we were really happy about it. Now we have these massive games with great story lines and play mechanics etc. and so many gamers are thinking that no, this is not enough! I loved GW1 and I love GW2, sure it has its up's and downs, but still. These games has given me so many good moments and I don't know any other game that has achieved to do that. I just play purely enjoyment of this game. Enjoy your games, enjoy your life and try to see what you have right now. Boomer out.
I would superlike your comment if it was possible. I agree so much
We also had Mario 2 and 3. Change is inevitable.
I feel that for most games, except mmorpgs because of how much time you typically sink into them and if the game goes down you can never play again.
With that thought, we would never have progressed from gw1.
That the beauty in the process.
Appreciate what you have now but always look forward towards new and exciting things.
Overall gw3 is inevitable for ANet to stay in the game.
Pretty sure this was the freak out when people played Guild Wars and word of Guild Wars2 was happening.
Exact same thing yes!
GW1 was abandoned at its peak. While GW2 is well past its prime. While I wished at the time that GW1 had kept going (and still do!), I do not feel the same towards GW2, even though at this point I've "invested" way more money and time into it. @@WoodenPotatoes
Actually Nightfall sold very poorly and suggestions were that it was already over the peak! It had a second, longer boom purely motivated by the wait for gw2.
Sounds like denial. GW3 will eventually happen.
When they announced GW2, they also cancelled the next expansion. So that was the first hit, the second was the long long wait, they announced it so early. I hope GW2 continues to get new content while they are off making it. The third hit was that GW2 turned out to be nothing like GW1, and wasn't for me. I hope that doesn't happen to you. I also hope this doesn't spell the end for GW1, cause that's what I still love and play.
As someone with a ton of time and money spent on GW2 since launch, I'm pretty excited at the idea of getting a new game. Yes, losing all the progress to start over can feel bad, but on the other hand, having a soft end-point to grind toward is, personally, more motivating to get me to log in, as I've been starting to feel like Arenanet is reaching their limit of gameplay creativity in GW2. No way I'd stick around for another ten years of collecting orbs and every map being designed around skyscales lol. Story-wise, I really haven't connected with much since Bjora Marches and Drizzlewood, so I'm very much looking forward to a hard reset of a brand new story in this setting.
I hope NCsoft didn't damage GW2 too much by saying this, however. I can see a lot of people avoiding new expansions or new players not installing because of the, "why spend money on this when it's going to be abandoned for a sequel," thoughts.
hahahaha xddddddddddddddddddddd
Guild Wars 2 will never grow enough to be worth continuing at this point. Trying again with a modern mmo is honestly the best chance they have of actually capturing a larger audience.
how big does it need to be? nobody has any issue making a group for any content in the game. The population is solid for the production costs. If they just fixed the lfg the game would be operating perfectly
@@emikochan13 is it really making enough money to offset the deficit from past development costs and company reshuffles? Because based on the investor meeting it's not. A company is not going to continue to run something with a small profit margin. They will always seek growth.
@@Spojo1 Rumor has it that Anet is the only NCSOFT company in the West that is currently profitable, and all of the others are dragging down the profits and making investors angry. This might be why the NCSOFT corporate executive that leaked this info mentioned GW3, as a way to placate the other investors and give them something to hope for in the future.
This idea just popped in my head for a next ele spec if we ever get those on the future, imagine physical skills and berserker elite skill like fire punch, water/ice tackle/rush (a charge attack), air flurry (like punching so hard you hit with air jabs), and earth kick or a jump similar to warrior either kick or stomp and the elite elemental berserker or rage that similar to warrior’s rampage it gives physical attacks punches jumps, kicks whatever but infused with whichever element you atune to, adding a high mobility, power based build to the profession.
MMOs tend to take several years, like 5 at the minimum, to get released. I saw the open jobs on the Arenanet site and they're hiring for lead roles etc. - this means they're assembling a core team, they might have a rough gameplay prototype or something and some concept art on their walls - meaning nothing is done yet and they're still figuring out direction with GW3. It feels pretty obvious with Secrets of the Obscure that they're stretched rather thin and are concentrating their efforts on another project right now though.
GW3 might be 6 years away from a release. For me, I am happy anyone is still working on a new MMO these days. We don't really have anything decent except GW2, FF14 and WoW and even that's debatable. Fresh wind with new gameplay concepts and all the great graphics that are possible by now is definitely needed. Although I find that GW2 has great gameplay, but it's starting to feel stunted by it's engine/dev power. It's poorly optimized and probably one of the major reasons they can't build cool new shit with it. Like isn't it just the GW1 engine with a few tuned things on top? That's about 20 years old at it's core. We all know how much has happened since then...
One positive to think about is it may not take the typical amount of time an MMO development cycle usually does if they're building it on UE5 and utilizing some new AI tech. UE5 also guarantees not just great visuals but solid optimization too. Definitely something to look forward to if it's in the works. Personally I'm skeptical but I also can't disagree that they're clearly spread thin based on the current expansion. Either the studio is tiny now or the majority of its resources are focused on something bigger.
Tbf the new SOTO maps look AMAZING. I mean looking at Amnytas especially, I think it's just as good as the other games I've seen last year
@@mittenvonscrufflears7233 Oh to be clear I wasn't saying the work they did was bad (far from it), just that we get less and less in the same timespan which means they either fired a lot of devs (= less resources to develop new things) or the majority of their work force works on GW3 (or anything else). :)
@@EmpyreanDreamer AI is very questionable at best, considering copyright etc. I expect quite some regulations to come that might overthrow any AI a studio might want to use in their workflow. I feel like it currently is not a safe bet to utilize it. There is some potential it speeds up some aspects of their work (concept art, grunt dev work, some story/lore) that they can use as a starting point to refine and correct. But if you want to deliver quality work you still have to rework everything any current AI puts out by a respective professional, making the time save smaller than most people think. AI has a lot of buzzwords around it. It's not the sentient almighty savior some people think it is.
GW3 has probably been in development since the release of End of Dragons if not earlier based on the slowdown in content. Would not be surprised to see a release in 3 year's time.
Regarding Anet hiring lead roles. Leads frequently leave and need to be replaced and though internal promotions do happen, the preference of Anet is to bring in outside talent, since they don't want to remove a productive team member from their current role. Hiring a lead is not a sign they are building new teams.
Whatever it is, I imagine they want it to be played on consoles too like FFXIV as that's a big market they can't tap into with GW1 OR GW2 and probably why they want to use Unreal Engine (though that could just be because using an existing good engine is cheaping and easier than making your own).
Maybe even mobile, but I can't see them going the route of something like Genshin Impact. I suppose they could, even though something like Guild Wars 1 with a summonable henchmen system makes more sense on mobile to me.
I'll support them regardless. I like ANet and this game is 5+ probably close to 6-8 years out unless they are doing something weird like porting GW2 to a new engine which I suppose is posisble, so GW2 will get at least 3-4 more mini-xpacs I imagine and honestly I don't care about other MMOs. lol I LIKE GW2s non-gear grind end game.
Their using UE5 could be also due to NCSoft using it in their projects, i.e Throne & Liberty and others. They wouldn't be learning the engine from scratch. Additionally there is this new trend on using UE5 for future mmo due to it's easy optimization thanks to nanite/lumen and not sacrificing graphics in the process. But learning new engine, make internal tooling for it, workflows etc. will still take a lot of time, so I presume new game is maybe at best 2027 sadly, and even that is far fetched if they are creating everything from scratch.
I got downvoted on Reddit just recently for stating Guild Wars 3 should/could already be in development, and now look at us. I've played Guild Wars since Prophecies, and have been on and off playing since GW2 launch. The game is good. The story, albeit cheesy and making some upsetting choices (#SaveEir), is good. The Lore is amazing. The world is beautiful. So why are people so hard against Guild Wars 3, letting the developers expand their tools, their art, and the games development. The engine has limitations, to say the least. From CPU limitations, to graphical ones. Although Guild Wars 2 is beautiful, from Cantha to Kryta, From Elona to the Northern reaches, it's only beautiful because of the Art Team. They are quite visibly held back. Other MMOs, and yes we must look to it's competition, are getting Graphical updates. And although I will be the first to admit "Graphics don't make the game", it does have a factor. And when your game looks dated (yet beautiful), and other games also look beautiful (but not as dated), people are drawn to the shinier thing.
Guild Wars 2 has been slowly adjusting to maintenance mode for a while now, and the yearly expansions sort of lead towards it. It honestly feels like they introduce new content just to abandon it. Dungeons, Raids, etc. With Secrets, and the new expansions coming this year and next, we very well could be looking at a trilogy that leads up to a Guild Wars 3, or announcement. My Guess is that they'll announce Guild Wars 3 after the next expansion, and the final expansion will be that "bridge" for us, which then leads to Guild Wars 3 in 2026/2027.
No matter how you cut it. The Devs probably don't want to work on an "upgraded" Guild Wars 1 engine anymore, and with UE5 and it's forward compatibility is probably very intriguing to them, let alone the tools for graphics, lighting, shading, rendering, sound design, etc... The list goes on. I think we'll see adjustments to allow Guild Wars 2 events, and such to be completed with smaller groups over the coming years, and then we'll slowly transition into Guild Wars 3.
Im just happy we find something to brainstorm about Guild Wars.We are too far away from Gw 3 but even theorizing about game will be fun.I personally want Gw 3 as 100 future of Gw 2 some races evolved to civilization and joined to forces of Tyria like Dominion of Wind open to world and made a pack with Lion's Arch ,Itzels start to come out from Maguuma jungle and helping their Hylek brotherens.So we got 2 more playable races.After Krait's defeat Quaggon create an Underwater Quaggon kingdom.And after years of neglection Old Gods of Tyria are returned.Also Just like Wow Arena net should create history of Tyria .How this world created?By Whom?What is origins of races?History of a game important especially in this media habitat where Video game media start to ramp up.
I do wonder if this is a case of miscommunication? Could the original person be talking about the upcoming expansions, but that got confused with a sequel to the upper suits who actually went to the investors meeting?
no
@@mikali1704 I'm curious why you are so adamant about that. Crazier things have happened at investor meetings.
No, There are 2 korean artcle about it and they said it
You are not gonna get any new players with gw2 expansions, also throne and liberty flopped.
The safest bet for ncsoft in the west would bei GW3, since GW2 already has an OK playerbase that pulls in enough money for them.
@@noobs12332 All I'm saying is that what the person talking at the investors meeting and what the developers are doing may not be the same thing. If somebody in the games industry says something to an individual outside of the game's industry, or who only has a business-minded approach to the gaming industry, information that is given may not be properly or accurately conveyed, especially to people that may not have any idea about the development process.
As someone who has spent a lot of money on their account over the years and has stepped away from the game for a long time, the news of a new game does excite me. As much as I love the current game, it is starting to feel dated as time goes on.
It's starting to feel pointless to play at all.
@@_M....
Nobody is forced to shop there.
@@_M.... I’m also feeling less motivated to play GW2 lately, but it’s not because of any problems with the game, it’s just because I’m tired of playing solo and I haven’t found a guild that has players who prefer to play together. So I’ll keep logging in a few times a week and see if I can find players that enjoy playing together, while I wait for an eventual release of GW3.
currently on vacation, but this news is wild. i'm absolutely thrilled with the possibility of a fresh start with GW3, a game running on a brand new engine, we'll all get to relive those 2012 days again🙌
i myself have spent a good chunk of change in gw2 over the years, but i'm fine to start fresh with a few "hall of monuments" skins to carry over into gw3.
all in all, i'll make a video myself with my own thoughts on this topic after my vacation, but quite exciting news regardless if GW3 is a confirmed🤔
Will be excited to see it!
I'm excited for a Guild Wars 3 same as I was excited for a Guild Wars 2. It's notorious how hard it is to develop and add certain things in GW2 due to spaghetti code and how old the engine is so for this reason alone I think getting a GW3 is exciting.
Now I certainly understand people feeling their game is getting abandoned and all the worries that come with it, I lived those to an extent with GW1 when 2 was announced but 17 years later and I still play GW semi-regularly along with GW2. Sure we might not get new stuff but the game is still here and even though the community has considerably shrunk there is still a die hard core fanbase that keeps the game alive.
Now granted GW2 is structured very differently and they'd have to get pretty creative to make GW2 playable mostly solo like GW1 is now due to world events, no henchmen or heroes for instanced content, etc... In that same breath though in the last extra-life stream Arenanet did, Colin (I think) mentionned how stopping development on GW1 was a mistake as the two games are so different they could have coexisted and continued development on both... Maybe they learned from their mistakes and will do just that with 2 and 3, even if content for 2 would probably be smaller in scope. Heck I'm getting into hopium territory now but imagine if they also released a GW1 remake, we could have all 3 games running at the same time with different takes on gameplay and the world of Tyria.
pathetic
If GW3 was a remake of the original GW, then wouldn’t that be the end of the original game? I mean if they are essentially the same, but built on a new game engine, why would anyone still want to play the original Guild Wars?
I remember how they said they wouldn't just straight up drop GW1. I remember the gw1 to gw2 storylines that they were releasing.
they dropped gw1 like a rock, and screw anything they were still making for it that they left on cliffhangers.
1) I'm not too sure we should be taking this as a mistaken announcement, more 'rough plans for the future' and in that respect did we doubt GW3 was going to happen EVENTUALLY?
2) I'm convinced the project they're currently working on is not GW3. Makes sense to work on a different MMO (Horizon is bookies fav) then invest that money and expertise in GW3 5-7 years down the line. I think GW2 is here for the foreseeable.
3) ANET do need to get ahead of this, this story has already taken off at rocket's pace.
4) I'm all in no matter what. ANET as a company have shown me over the years that whatever they work on is worthy of my time. Looking forward to ANY announcement to be frank.
Great takes. I agree with everything except the slight apprehensiveness towards making another MMO as GW2 is out. From my own interactions with others and the general sentiment from the internet, I think there is still a big desire for a nice high quality MMO. My friends and I have all stopped playing GW2 for a variety of reasons, yet every other MMO we try is not as smooth, rewarding, or as classy as Guild Wars. Crappy MMOs come out every year and die just as fast, and massive companies have tried forcing MMOs that just have no soul to them. I think the tech and gameplay they've designed for Guild Wars is a pretty perfect balance, just the game is old and bloated with conflicting content and ideas now.
Fresh start please! (also, no flame, but their story has been trash for like a decade now)
Honestly my commentary here isn't very accurate to how I really feel, I'm much more "pro" than "con" for this and the commentary kinda feels otherwise often.
HUGEEEEE NEWS!!! Even our future kids will be able to enjoy the Guild Wars franchise
Sick! Now I just need to find someone to have a kid with 😅😂
Kids? what is that? A new pet? 😂😂😂
But they will need to pay for the battle pass and loot boxes! lol
Probably wouldn't let my kids play it tbh 😂
Calm down your hype . Didnt you learn anything about video games in the last few years? Cool but calm down
Putting aside the issue of abandoning 10+ years of account progress, there's much opportunity in wiping the slate clean. I'm sure that if presented with a clean slate, ArenaNet would design a much better game that avoids many of the issues GW2 launched with or accumulated over the years, that are too deep to go back and fix. But I've no confidence that ArenaNet's views on design and lack of patience for sticking with established design has changed, and that's ultimately what caused many of these issues.
As for account progress, GW1 barely had any so I don't think that comparison really helps. The better comparison is to people leaving GW2 and starting a fresh account in another game. I just returned from a ~3 year break since Champions and I never missed the combat, the story, the characters, the builds, anything like that. Well, perhaps the mounts. But as pathetic as it sounds, I did miss my account progression. Relics? Never heard of it. I'll get a free legendary one for logging in? Now that's intriguing!
You have so much faith in them. I hope they are closer to your idealistic views than my pessimistic ones 😅
This would be a huge drop into player financial investment in gw2. Nobody will spend money in a game that will be dead soon.
If the possible guild wars 3 does happen, if they differentiate it enough from 2 I think the games can co-exist well enough without gw2 essentially dying. Gw2 has a lot of evergreen content, so even if they greatly reduced the update cadence as a result, the game would still have much to offer especially for someone new. Heck I just started gw1 last month.
@Wooden Potatoes so glad to have gotten this news from Kroof and now you. This made me smile in a big big way probably bigger then I have since the passing of my wife 2 years ago. I can only hope with your coverage over it they put the same care, time, and love they did into Gw and Gw2. This made my month
Hope you're doing OK man!
@@WoodenPotatoes Day by Day Sir the best part of me died when she did 2 years ago (wife) now it is about moving on for her. Many Thanks for the reply
Guild Wars 3 would be great! People worried about their achievements not carrying over or carrying any weight is not really something to worry about. Your achievements from GW1 contributes to GW2 exclusives.
I love GW2, but it's been pretty ''Meh'' since Path of Fire ended.
It is too early for this info to be floating out there. It will hurt numbers for GW2 because "why get invested? My progress will be lost when GW3 comes out.
I don't want a Guild Wars 3. I want the world we have to be expanded and updated. The SotO storyline showed us that we know nothing about the potential awaiting for us out there. There are so much to be explored!!!!
I'm going to be optimistic about a Guild Wars 3. I think with Guild Wars 2's current level of income, it can never sustain the amount of content necessary for it to compete. The lack of group content is primarily what keeps it from being my main game. With a launch playerbase and everything they've learned while developing Guild Wars 2, maybe my favorite game and my main game can finally be the same?
I was waiting to see if you’d cover this
I would love some RPG style games set in Tyria. It is such a rich setting that quite frankly is often limited by its aversion to a traditional questing approach. I understand that GW2 is built around Events and they work well for what GW2 aims to do, but the janky AP pseudo questing system is evidence enough that even Arenanet is craving more. A standard RPG in Tyria, built in Unreal Engine and so much more accessible to some of their newer talent would perfectly complement GW2. It would expand the GW community with a large portion of GW2's playerbase ready to jump in and once people finish that game and crave more, where do they go? GW2, which both helps player numbers and aids Arenanet massively because ultimately an MMO will always be more monetisable than a single player RPG.
I'd be all over GW3, and so would my partner. We dropped GW2 after about the 4th 'expansion' season. It just got too zerg oriented for casual players. I'd love a new instalment to the franchise. Something where we can start fresh 'with everyone else', and enjoy the new experiences with a modern engine. Yes it always feels like "wasted time" when you leave a game... but I'd prefer to start a new game than constantly getting nostalgic, coming back, then realising why I left again in an endless cycle.
As someone who's done with GW2 i suppose i could view it as good news, but. I have about zero faith in AN and in western triple A in general as of late, so realistically i do not expect anything good to come out of that.
My bet is:
We haven't heard almost anything about Colin Johanson since he came back in 2021, he's working on a different project, and it's probably GW3
I want GW3 to be another MMO purely to try and recreate that 1 week of launch GW2 I spent every day just exploring Tyria, won't be quite as blind this time (unless they do a whole new continent) but it'll be cool.
I have had a few private discussions with Anet devs about this in the past. Understandably they were a bit vague with me, so take this with a grain of salt: The impression I get is that they have been working on a successor to GW2 for a very long time, but that there has been a history of scrapping and restarting the project repeatedly in a chase for perfection - and that this may have been part of why they experienced the big layoffs a couple years ago. Assuming any of that is true, this "announcement" doesn't really feel like news at all - more of a "yes, investors, this studio is working on their next thing rather than stagnating" throwaway - and "working on" is a far cry from "releasing", in any case. I wouldn't lend it any weight until we hear something more definitive.
This might become a really interesting story for video game historians in a few years I guess. At least I would love to watch a retrospective on the series with more behind-the-scenes anecdotes and sources.
the chase for perfection is what delayed "Duke Nukem Forever" for so many years, everytime there was a new game mechanic out with other titles they wanted to included it, which was to the detriment of the game and its release.
No you have not talked to the devs like this. I don't believe you at all. Not in the slightest.
Source: trust me bro
excuse me who the fck are you
I would think what arena net is to import gw2 basically to a new version of the engine and add a big expansion and call it gw3 for improved engine gameplay and what ever else is needed instead of scrapping everything they built
yea like the overwatch
If a Guildwars 3 is coming.. I want Anet to bring companions to GW2 and with that make most of the content playable by just a few people or even alone.
If you want to play by yourself, there’s lots of RPG games available for that, but don’t try to change GW2, or GW3 into something different than the MMORPG that it is.
@@traveling.down.the.road56 If GW3 happens and its a seperate new game, then GW2 will die out because they'll likely cut support since they wouldn't want the two games to cannibalize each other. I just want them to make the game playable with low player numbers, similar to what happened with swtor.
Obviously, this only applies if GW3 is supposed to be a replacement for GW2.
I couldn't be more excited for a GW3 😊
I think you said it perfectly, Gw3 and Gw2 could co-exist, but nobody has confidence this will be the case because of the history with Gw1, so everyone assumes Gw3=death of Gw2.
Personally, i think that starting fresh in a new mmo is always a cool experience and if that means losing years of progress, so be it. But i can't say this doesn't leave a bad taste in my mouth, because i truly think that Gw2 could have been improved and developed for many more years, but instead with this move the studio pretty much shows they don't really have faith in their product.
GW1 still exists and you can still play it.
@@australienski6687 Oh i know. I've started playing it quite recently for the first time and i'm having a ton of fun. But you can't deny that the population is pretty small and the game stopped getting any meaningful update since the gw2 release. That's what everyone fear is, that history is going to repeat and gw2 will suffer the same fate.
@@DocM94 Yeah many people fear change. Personally I don't want to be stuck playing this 12 year old game forever because it's the only MMO worth playing.
WP Its not just Anet but MMO player mindset to abandon the older game as there is no point in grinding for something with no future. As someone who just grinded out obsidian armor I feel like it was kind of pointless. I will still likely play the future story content but many other players on the fence will not buy the expansions or bother with any type of repeatable content.
I don’t want a GW3 I want a GW2 with better optimization and a frequent good content schedule maybe with a little better graphics although IMO GW2 art style is fantastic. Why releasing a new game , when the core problem is that they don’t advertize the game properly?
This is gonna be a re-do of what they did with GW1. I don't even know why they call it Guild Wars any more when each game is nothing like the prior besides being in the same world but Anet feels like they constantly have to make these massive changes. This feels EXACTLY like the new of GW2 when we were all playing GW1. The second it's confirmed, a ton of people will quit GW2, because people will feel like it's pointless.
People seem to be forgetting that there have been rumors of them working on GW3 for, at least, 5 years now. I wouldn't be surprised if they're deeper in than people expect.
No. The core problem is outdated engine, spaghetti code, bloat of abandoned features and possibilities being limited with all of that.
GW2 has run it's course, time for a new game.
@@jsedge2473 I quit Gw2 cause i have nothing to do anymore there. I don't even need gold anymore.
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I love this game.
But i dont shop in gem Store.
It's your own fault if you do it with real money and complain now.
But you actually know that if you're an MMO lover.
Ncsoft is at a deficit because they are making games that are highly p2w creating an awful image of the company as being greedy and untrustworthy as a company to make a good game based on content and catering to its customers. I Can't count how many games they have made that start off decent, devolve into p2w and eventually gets shut down.
Literally every single game they've ever made. Besides GW1.
It's NCsoft west that's at a deficit. I.e., anet This means despite the increased playerbase they aren't drawing in enough money to please that shareholder who asked the question.
I understand that nothing lasts forever, not even MMOs, but at this stage in my life I don't have it in me to get invested in another MMO, if GW3 happens I probably won't buy it.
If legendaries carry over I’m fine with it. I just don’t want years of work to go to waste.
Would be interesting if our characters actually just got ported over and it’s really just a straight upgrade
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Yeah GW2 is my forever home! If they rip it away from me and kill it to make me start all over again I’ll just leave. Why start over, spend years and thousands of dollars again, when the very action of doing that proves they will do it to us again? That GW3 also will not last and it will be killed someday against our will? That’s why I hate needless sequels to live service games
@@ozirus3344 An upgrade I'd be open to, anything that's not just a straight up kill of what we know and love. Why should I invest in a game that killed the one I loved when its very existence is proof it will happen again to that game someday?
@@WordsOfTheTeacherThey did the same thing with GW1. This is their M.O.
I havent played any MMOs (really any games) after GW1 and the release of GW2 because of this. For one, GW1 was one of a kind (and GW2 is too, even though I never got in to it). But also, kinda hard to justify putting thousands of hours in to a game for a studio that repeatedly kills it's games overnight.
The obsession with UE5 is going to burn so many studios. I really hope Arenanet isn't one of them.
ohh I'm nearly certain this announcement was an "oops", some high up said too much.
And maybe his shoulders are missing a head right now, if thats the case :P
I don't see this as a negative. Even if its abother MMO.
First timeline: its going to be 5+ years before they finish a brand new MMO from scratch. We can look to WoW for that: Blizz starts work in a new expac 2 expacs ahead(Shadowlands started dev when legion launched). Thats about 4 years for an expac thats using the same engine, mostly same art assets, and same core systems, with a team and budget thats massive compared to other companies. A brand new MMO is going to take longer. So I'm not worried about GW2 just disappearing any time soon
Second, there are problems with GW2, most steming from them changing things from season to season and never having a clear direction. A reset with a new game could help.
What worries me: GW3 being designed as a Korean style MMO grind fest with pay to win out the ass. (Not even just p2w but pay extra to even be able to play the game normally.)
My doomer take is that this is either translated wrong or saying "Guild Wars 3" was just not meant so literally or was referring to expansions and not communicated well. As a BDO player I can confirm google translate does not handle korean well. However there's always a chance and the optimistic side of me has some hope. The new expansion model is much less ambitious than what they were doing before and it doesn't even release with all of the features at launch. That could definitely be a sign of being strapped for resources because they're being diverted to something much bigger. If its true and they don't have anything substantial to show I doubt ArenaNet will respond to this.
Also just throwing it out there but I don't think anyone in their right mind would bring this up in an investor meeting as sort of a silver lining to their financial situation unless the products release was imminent. Whether GW3 exists or not I think we can all agree it definitely isn't coming this year.
I'd rather have them rework gw2 the way Blizzard done with WoW. I put lots of time and money and i still think the game is mechanically capable of running for more years. At same time...entering new games always feel refreshing and fun. Maybe I shouldn't even worry about gw2, because I dropped off hard when the mess after Icebrood Saga discouraged me to play and have hard time getting back in ever since. I mean.. I don't expect the game to come out anytime soon anyways...I guess we will have to wait and see.
The thing is, didn't they just very recently talk about doing that exact same thing? Updating gw2's engine to show that gw2 was their focus for years going forward?
LW and no expacs
Into expacs into SAGAS
Into another expansion
Into mini expacs and gw2 is a focus long-term
Into gw3 LOL
I have zero confidence in the direction of this company. Every couple months it's a complete reorganization.
rofl to me it sounds like lack and too big dev team (literally info from transcript) will result in another half assed game that resembles Guild Wars only by name and nothing else.
For me, the highlight of GW2 was Path of Fire. Hot, EoD and Soto are a minus in my book as nothing of importance was added to the game. The game simply hasn't really evolved after those expansions.
I mean do we really have to go back to an almost 20 year old game to remember what the REAL GUILD WARS WAS?
Prophecies - first game GVG EXISTS, HA, Arenas, Sorrow's Furnace, FoW, UW
Factions - JQ, FA and AB pvp modes, Urgoz+Deep
Nightfall - Heroes, DoA
All of these additions were not just quickly written new additions that just changed your skills a little bit, they were literally overhauling game and CLEARLY evolving it.
Which can't be said for today's GW2.
GW2 is idle farmer game for the most part.... sad but that just my opinion, and that's coming from a person who's loving GW from day one.
They were doing great with the lore, and of course for a game that practically didn't have budget was difficult, but funny part is that they did better content with reduced budget than now with more budget. Also now it is more difficult to compete for attention, it is not anymore 2000's when all mmorpg used to have tons of players, an also the young people are not interested in mmorpg games anymore. Are just a few of them that find enjoyable to be in a single game a big quantity of hours.
i have invested so much time, and money at this point to gw2, that is would be hard to pull me in for next game without losing everything, skin, and amount of content wise
They'd likely implement another Hall of Monuments system so you'd still get rewards for your gw2 progress. I get lots of people would find it hard at first but I really think we should just rip the bandaid off and embrace gw3 if it ever comes because it would be so healthy for the game. I know so many people who no longer play gw2 because it's very dated, and I can't get any of my friends to start playing gw2 with me because the graphics look so old that they feel the game will die soon and it just doesn't feel good/immersive to be in the world when it looks so bad and there's also so many bugs with the spaghetti code at this point. It would bring so much new interest and relevance to have a more modern guild wars game. And gw2 would still be there for people who are total diehard gw2 fans - quite a number of people still play gw1 (I know because I also play it from time to time).
I think it would be absolutely naive and foolish to think that Anet ISN'T working on GW3.
GW2 won't last forever.
They will have to release something new in the future to keep the IP alive.
Most likely it's still about a decade away from release, but it will happen.
WoW, Final Fantasy 14... etc
your comment is POINTLESS
@@sorryyourenotawinner2506 wtf are you on about?
Without hearing any commentary (yet), I don’t actually want a GW3. I would much prefer they expand on the story of GW2, and a GW3 has an even bigger opportunity to make story faux pas on a grander scale than what’s happened with the story in GW2. Idk how everyone else feels about it, but the way the story is developing in SotO is not the direction I was hoping they would go. They turned literal demons into simply misunderstood and oppressed creatures. THEYRE DEMONS WTF?! I don’t want MORE of that type of story telling and quite honestly I don’t expect a GW3 to make right on those mistakes, I expect a whole game made of those kinds of mistakes.
Edit: just finished it and all my feelings are the same.
bro. engine, graphics and performance updates. Dont think from a narrow lens. The tech has become astronomically better.
@@xecor4450 I know the upsides of the tech. I’m talking strictly from a story perspective. I care about a lot more than just the graphics lol.
@@faust5894 idc about the story, uts trash anyway. I'd rather play single player game with much better story than this garbage they call story.
@@xecor4450 I want a better story is my point and I don’t trust them to make a better story after these last several releases. I think GW3 story would be more of the same.
@@faust5894 when you talk about a new sequel game, you usually focus more on the systems rather than just the story. A story is a small part of the game and for mmos kinda not important.
What would matter is how well they can translate gw2 combat to new engines etc. And how the Ui looks, what are the systems in game etc.
If there is going to be a Guild Wars 3, I would want there to be years of work and refinement behind it. I could imagine so much potential for next gen Guild Wars with modern graphics, mechanics, possibly console support, and so on. But that could also just be a pipe dream.
For all its flaws, Guild Wars 2 is still a really fun game, and one of the few great MMOs still standing as the genre has seemed to decline over time. But the quality of game updates has seemed to worsen over time. If ArenaNet has had a big, new game project brewing, I could certainly forgive a drop in quality for GW2 as their resources have been split.
Whatever’s going on, I’m very curious too if Anet will make a statement either confirming or denying a new game.
I can see this as just confusion at the top. "We just greenlit new thing product, there will be revenue. GW3 is coming. Hmm? What's that, oh, it's a paid expansion".
They are working on something, but even if it is GW3, it is many, many years away. Just look at the types of positions they are hiring. These are core positions that hint that the project is just starting to get out of the tech-demo stage at best. The commitment to at least two more expansions for GW2 backs this up, as well.
And lastly, even if they did drop everything and work on GW3... I can see them handing GW2 over to another team. Other MMOs have done it, and we're in a very different time than the GW1->GW2 transition. Particularly if the gameplay is as different as the GW1-GW2 disparity.
Either way, Arenanet now gets to do damage control they weren't looking to do. Oops.
Honestly I feel like your achievement points/etc. could and maybe should transfer into GW3.
Like it would be a monumental development challenge, but imagine if all your skins, legos, mounts, etc. transferred with you, but the game engine, story, time frame, etc. were all new?
Maybe even set up all GW2 cosmetics, mounts, etc. as GW2 exclusives, so you need to play GW2 to have them in GW3?
Don't get me wrong, I can see major issues with that, but there's potential there for a pretty awesome synergy between 2 and 3 where players want to go back and play 2 in order to unlock important/fun things in 3.
My concern is that Korea has a far different idea of mmo these days than the west and competition seems chaotic with pantheon kinda falling flat, ashes being the hopeful child, riots being unknown in progress could lead to external factors that Korea can’t comprehend
I'm surprised you didn't mention Colin's comments about regretting not supporting GW1 and GW2 at the same time. If the studio head took this as a lesson learned, then there is a good chance GW3 will be significantly different from GW2 and Anet will look to support both at the same time.
I have spent a fair bit of money on Gw2 but I support them modernising GW with a new version.
Been playing GW2 almost since release, and SOTO is the only expac I didn't buy. Apart from most meta builds shifting to SOTO exclusive the game feels fine. That's what I imagine GW2 will be like when they stop even the little new content they do now, there is still stuff to do. Its a big game, this is not that bad.
Gw3 will be released after WoW2 and Final Fantasy 9000 release.
So many games that get labeled "in development" or "greenlit" never see the light of day. It seems to me that a lot of unfounded presumptions are being made about something that may never happen or, even if it does, could be up to a decade away.
Good point as well!!!!!!
The idea of gw3 to me sounds kinda awesome, the story leading into the next game with a hall of legends kinda mechanic 1-2 years leading up to it would be pretty fun.
I am hyped for a new MMO from Arenanet, If one company can pull a good MMO is them. And I have over 44k AP and all legendaries and stuff and don't have a problem "losing" all that.
I'm most likely gonna stick with GW2.
I don't have it in me to start over with all the purchases and time investments and achievement grinds.
I'm good.
My concern over GW3 is that I prefer the art and writing styles of GW1, and hate where GW2 has wound up (Loved the early years when it was still more GW1 themed).
Would GW3 break free of the mess GW2 has become? Or just continue with its mess of a story and blindingly gaudy color scheme?
(I honestly just want to leave Tyria behind now with badly GW2's story has gone)
Yeah... I feel largely similar.
PLEEEEEAAAASSSEEEE i miss being extremely hyped during the entire development of GW2
I feel like the current situation is horrible, gw2 gets cuts all over it and other projects are hidden and possibly can end in similar way some of other projects ended around the end of season 4. I love gw2 and would prefer if it was anet main focus (even 100% or 99%), but if it is not possible it would be better for gw2 to end and they 100% focus something new if they belive it could and would be better. Look what all the cuting did to the story if long term fans are more interested in complaining that 'key story npc sounds like quaguan' then in the actual story. (I personaly dont get that but i am player that is happy to spend hours to find all the random notes all over the map and whats to hear/read all the map dialog too)
I truly believe GW3 will be a bad idea. GW2 has been my sanctuary from so many super predatory, unfinished and unoriginal games nowadays. Greed will be ANET’s demise.
They would need to do it eventually. I think a GW3 should happen eventually. A company needs to keep producing AND updating. If mmos come out with better graphics and decent systems, Anet will lose players. They need to be able to compete
I am staunchly in the (as I perceive it) minority that is really hyped at the prospect of a GW3 as a successor to GW2.
For context, I have thousands of hours in Gw2 and have spent a lot of money on it and yet I am not at all afraid of "moving on", if whatever comes next is a great game.
Gw2 isn't the first game I have been invested in only to move on to the next one, that's kind of how games work fundamentally. Yes, MMOs benefit from a very long lifespan with longterm goals to chase for years and can't be directly compared to moving on to Dark Souls 2 after finishing Dark Souls, but any game that is in development for that long inevitably suffers from feature bloat, weird old systems that can't be reworked be user of engine limitations, bad decisions stacking on bad decisions that can't be taken back now (Account bound masteries anyone?).
I would be hyped to see what kind of an amazing MMORPG ArenaNet can craft now, with a new engine and with all the lessons learned, from GW2. I would be willing to move on to experience that potentially great game.
I am old enough now, that GW3 may not even be here while I am alive lol. I'll just live with what's here rather than look forward so far.
The investor is asking why Songyee Yoon (wife of the founder/CEO) and presumably responsible for NCWest hasn't resigned after running it at a loss for 8 years.
Thank you WP. I dont frequent the reddit anymore, so the only way I see major gw2 news is if youtube puts you in my recommended
No prob man
As other modern MMO's arise, like AOC and Pax Dei, that utilize modern technology, AI, and game design to create worlds far more living and breathing, other companies risk falling behind if they cannot match the future of mmo's. GW3 was and is fundamentally inevitable as other companies imagine and create deeper, more immersive worlds.
I have to say, the shareholders should try playing the game and looking around at the forums and such. People have always had gripes about the game, but lately with balance changes I think they are basically on autopilot till GW3, but I am not interested in it if it's made by the same people who don't do very well by their current audience.
I miss WP! Former Gw1 & 2 player here. Ty for the video and analysis.
I think anet and gw need a gw 3. Something modern. The story beats from 1 were sooo good.
IF trhey are making a GW3, then they would account link like they did for GW and GW2 and any legendaries would be transfered no doubt as they did with armours etc from GW to GW2. This still means that for instance, to get ALL the pets in GW2, if I remember rightly, 4 are only obtainable in GW.
Imo? I wouldn't say it means abandoning your GW2 account as they would, I am sure, make it worhwhile doing all of them in some way if you want to and so can still get Legendaries etc, that could appear in some way in the next so negating the need to abandon GW2. HoM was part of the linking and even in the Achievements (HoM under General).
I wouldn't worry everyone, you do not have to abandon GHW2 at all due to the above for a "GW3" if there will be one (probably will be), hence why there is still a following in GW as they are linked but just different eras. Like an ancestor character to the new ones, which I think it was supposed to be. It will be a while anyway and yes, this does create a new scenario, another 250 years jump or more with new tech?
Please don't worry about the money you have spent in GW2, like GW, the stories are very much linked, tied together and far too much loved to not keep them running.
It was all said in one of Anet posts sometime back about how updates will be done going forward and how the GW3 would use the same sort of thing. Am sure that's were i had seen a mention of GW3 in the past.
It is quite stupid to think about a version 3 of guildwars when they are not even capable to create a decent expansion. To me if they create a gw3 will look more like black desert , and probably will fail as black desert did.
I think that we should talk about this with anet just like investors needs their shareholder meetings. In the end, it's our money that these investors are taking.
I have been bored to tears for the last few years in GW2. I am hoping GW3 will bring back my interest in the game. It has already been 5 years since we had a new raid.
Oh gosh i hope this is true! Played gw2 since launch and will have zero issues leaving for a new adventure!
I understand this must cause feelings, but it's really much too early to tell anything. There's no telling if this new Guild Wars IP game will even be *called* Guild Wars 3. For all we know it's a placeholder name or a project name, or even just shorthand.
My thoughts? As a GW1 player, I hope our game will stay up if/when this one comes to pass. Priorities!
I would be curious where we all would start map and zone in gw3. There are so many more maps and zones we still haven't been too yet in gw2.
@7:23 Oh boy, if we've been already through less, I can't imagine what we're about to go through once GW3 hits. Man, I lost the will to play GW2 fuck.
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It's possible GW3 could be a big engine update that just "replaces" GW2, rebrands it and carries everything over akin to OW2 or CS2. Although if those two examples are anything to go by that might not go so well...
I wouldn't have a problem with a reset now that GW2 is going on 12 years old. But if we do get a GW3, I want a clear and consistent vision for what that game is going to be and I have my doubts that Anet is going to be able to do that. They've been all over the place with GW2 over the years and I don't want to go through that again.
I think GW3 will be either 20 or 25 year anniversary which gives t hem 3-8 years depending on how far they are. The main issue I see now vs later is cost evaluation. Anyone who takes this to heart will want to not spend more for yearly expacs in fear of it dropping.
Sounds more like they’re talking about the consolidation of their west studios. I’d be intrigued by a GW3 and where they’d want to go with it - like what kind of time jump are we looking at and what’s happened in the world since. Which races would be playable (could bring in tengu, but I don’t want to lose charr). I’d also be interested if that’s just how they’re referring to a visual update (would be interesting timing since Final Fantasy 14 is currently doing one). I’d also be interested if it wasn’t an MMO but still uses the world.
Overall though without proper information I find it hard to get too excited or panicked. I still enjoy GW2 and the slew of characters I’ve made there, and I’ve still got plenty of projects to work on since I’m not super fast either. Just finished two legendaries yesterday and still kind of eyeing the obsidian armor. My guild also still does guild missions weekly so it’s fun to join in on those and contribute.
This is my first time finding your channel, and holy hell I did not expect to hear LBA 2 music in the end card. You are really a man of culture if you've played that game.
As for GW3, if it really is coming out, I hope they don't do a sequel. Like you said, just going off of their own track record and the state of "AAA gaming" they probably won't do it justice. I'll still always enjoy this game, there really is no other MMO out there that values your time more than GW2.
Hah nice! Always a pleasure when someone instantly knows the music! Pretty rare too.
My hope is that they simply make gw3 an upgrade on the base game code and graphics of gw2, and give it a new name to mark the transition to a new look rather than a new mmo. But that could also just be some major copium.
guild wars 2 is so huge, it would be cool if a new game was guild wars 2.5, the originally game ported to a new engine with better tools and a nice new expansion pack. seems like there is so much content in gw2 they should try to find a way to incorporate all that content. either way any gw3 is many many years away
guild wars 3 has been in development for the past 2 years and now reddit mods are trying to shut off this unintended announcement coupled with the playerbase absolutely coping and being mad that gw2 is "dead" for some reason
gotta say it feels good to see them suffer the same feelings I felt when gw1 was abandoned for gw2