Affordable Transmission Line Speaker, the Galion Voyager TL
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
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Gear used or mentioned in this review
Galion TS Voyager speakers
Galion TS Voyager TL speakers
Galion TS120SE tube integrated amp
Galion TS A75 solidstate class AB amp
Matrix X-Sabre 3 DAC
Mcintosh MAC6700
Tri-art P3 integrated amp
Atoll IN400 integrated amp
Willsenton R300 tube integrated amp
BC Acoutisque EX234 integrated amp
Buchard S400 MK2 speakers
Klipsch RF7-III speakers
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When I say 85db, I meant from 6 to 7 ft away from the speakers
To purchase the TS Voyager TL www.galion-audio.com/products/galion-ts-voyager-tl-transmission-line-speaker
Thomas & Stereo Could you answer a question for me:
If you have a speaker with an impedance of 6ohms,
which post should it be connected to, the 4ohms or the 8ohms???
@@aldoantoniovicentesilva6996 Usually I would go with 4 ohm but it can sound better with 8 ohm. Some 8 ohm speakers will dip down to 3.2ohm. My understanding is you will have a better idea looking at the impedance graph.
@@ThomasAndStereo Thomas thank you very much for your response and for your attention.
Personal success for you and success for your channel!!! 👍👍👍
Thomas I would like to purchase these but any idea how these compare to the prodigy PMC1s? They are a bit more expensive but would be an interesting comparison.
Wow, I never had to leave a comment like this before. I normally only look at the comments just to get various thoughts and opinions on perhaps comparisons to other speakers. And I was surprised to see several really ridiculous and ticky tack comments. No wonder some folks cringe at the term of so called audiophile at times. Couldn’t imagine the poor people who are married to these guys or friends with them. Must be a real downer. Anyways sorry for the tangent. To Thomas, I have always appreciated your reviews, your stories and your enthusiasm.You’ve helped me a lot on my own discovery of Hi-Fi audio. Congrats on your new speaker and I wish you all the best with it. So regardless whether it’s the best speaker ever or merely just a good speaker. Either way you deserve congrats for your endeavor and your efforts. Appreciate you pal and have a great one.
A very heart warming message and encouragement. The world would be a better place if people had your kind of attitude. Thanks, it made my day.
Yeah, I made the mistake once of going into an "audiophile" stereo store in LA. It was one of those, "If you have to ask, you can't afford it" places.
@@TE5LA-GAMING I had a somewhat similar experience in LA. it was one of those our salesmen dont do pressure sells but the opposite kind of sadly proved true. It somewhat changed my perspective on the silliness of some of these costs. I got the impression even the sales staff couldn’t pass a blindfold test of equipment. Just enjoy the music more over the gear my friend. You will be happier in the end I assure you.
The Totem Arrows blew my mind in a similar fashion, but I ended buying the Totem Forrest.
I heard or read somewhere that if a speaker retains its tonal balance at low volumes that it’s likely going to perform well at all volumes
Congrats on the speaker Thomas
Thanks!
Congratulations, Thomas! Glad to see you add this to your product line, and the general market. Really appreciate this speaker having a well defined (by you) voice that does not chase after the ad nauseam, studio monitor, "neutral" (neutered) voicing. All the best on this one.
Thanks, so far the feedback from others has been really positive. Fun to listen to.
I purchased these. Confirming what other said about being great a low levels. There is also lots of sound stage, the better the amp, the more you get I'm thinking although they sound great running off my REGA Brio-R. I love that they are made of birch and are really quite beautiful The finish is high end and they have nice tone like cello when you rap them with your knuckles. I am one to EQ via WiiM app and these sound good with a variety of presets depending on how the music is recorded. Really fun to play around with. Never yet used the foam inserts BTW. I just don't see the need. Listen to wide range of music. Diane Bish sounds amazing. These are full range speakers. You don't need a sub., so really do help the home decor if that's important to you. One less thing lurking around the entertainment center.
Haven’t watched for quite a while but never expected Thomas to run an infomercial for his own product
This is the first time I heard someone say your room and the distance between you and your speakers will determine whether you're in heaven or hell 😅
Would you say the tone of this speaker is similar to the Elac Reference DBR62? I really like that sound. Enjoy your videos. Thanks.
@@peterbaugh51 the TL will be smoother and warmer.
@@ThomasAndStereo I would probably like the TL. Actually I worked on the grills for the elacs, removed the black inner layer, scrubbed down the adhesive and made them more acoustically transparent. To me the upper mid-range sounds better with the grills on currently. Without the grills something about the treble was just a bit unnatural at the higher frequencies. Not bad, but I'm a musician. They just sound better with the grills on for me, with just a bit of treble boost. For me, balance is the key. Whatever sounds like real musicians playing live is what I like. I get that with the Elacs when properly set up. Don't try this at home inexperienced...
I have a Vintage pair of IMF Transmission line speaker and they have incredible base I can see how these speakers would sound great. You picked a amazing design for your speaker lineup. Having designed a few speakers I can tell these have all the building blocks for success. Keep up the great work Love your reviews, your stories and your enthusiasm.
Thanks a lot.
THE PLEASURE IS OURS … keep up the great work quality first 👍
I agree about transmission line box will bring out the bass quiet a bit.
Makes my 8 inch subwoofer sound like a high end 12 inch
Congratulations on your new speakers🎉🎉🎉 Your explanation on TL principles is thorough and correct👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 You explained perfectly the reason why I always had a love-hate thing for TL speakers 😅😅😅 My listening starts from 85db😂😂😂 Thank you🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Starts from 85db? Man you are going to a live concert everytime you listen to your system!
When I say 85db, I meant from 6 to 7 ft away from the speakers
That's what my neighbours says too🤣🤣🤣
You are killing me Thomas!!! Bring those over to SINGAPORE!!! 🤤🤤🤤
This is my opinion and journey with the Voyagers as I recently had them at home for auditioning.
At first, they sound very neutral to me, not that different from my Tekton Design Dynamites. I knew that eventually, I needed to do an A/B comparison. Many of the Voyager reviews said that they were on the warm side of neutral.
My Setup:
Power Amplifier - NAD C 298
Preamplifier - Benchmark L4A
Source - Inuos Pulse Mini
DAC - Denafrips ARES 12th-1
I usually listen at no more than 80db high, my room is 11 feet by 14 feet and the speakers are like 12 feet from my ears.
The Voyagers sounded great nonetheless. I thought they would be warmer on the highs. I kept evaluating with other sources, the Sim Audio 260 D CD transport via a Geshelli JNOG2 [J2] DAC with an AKM chip and Sparkos Op-Amps
They did not sound bright; I was expecting a very warm sound (based on reviews), but they still sounded neutral like my Tektons, so I thought based on memory. It has been said that they can sound warm or neutral; I assumed it depends on the amplifier feeding them.
I tried with no foam and full foam. I thought no foam might be less fatiguing as more bass will come into play. Or maybe I just have super sensitive ears as I am in my early 60's now . At one point throughout the evaluation, I thought I needed to listen to some Wharfedale Diamonds or Revel Concerta2 M16's again, as in the past (7 years ago?) I auditioned those at home and they sounded veiled to me and I sold and sent them back to the retailer.
The imaging and soundstage of the speakers were great by the way, holographic. I played around with toe-in and out (off axis and on-axis variations) with the speaker placement.
Obviously, the longer I listened to them, the more I got used to them.
Then, I listened to the speakers with the half foam for a while at low volumes (an average of 65 db) and it was pleasant. I still could hear all the details and I did not get tired/fatigued. I thought that I still needed more sessions like that to come to a final assessment.
I finally did an A/B comparison and the Voyager was much warmer when compared to my Tekton Dynamites. It is amazing how much an A/B comparison can reveal.
After this, I purchased the speakers. I have become fond of them.
Loved my castle Chester transmission line speakers, am now set with a pair of fyne audio f502sp , a very different sound, still love the sound of the Chester’s
I trust Sean, why would anyone trust the manufacturer to review their own products?
lol, just satire, Thomas. I’ve been following you for a long time and I’m waiting for someone in our audio club to purchase your amp and speakers so we can hear them.
We are proud of you!! By the way, your absolute sound spot was awesome!
they look a bit like the first speakers from the good time of TDL ,(visually) which is a good think, they look robust and meaty in a classic way .
Thomas you have come a long way, I can't afford any gear at the moment, but I admire you and your journey, WELL DONE!
Btw, I have an idea for a speaker, could you please make a video in future showing us the process of turning your ideas into reality, THANKS
Your Galion A75 amp really brings out the best in the Voyager TL's tone and texture. The IotaVX sounds thin by comparison.
My view on these speakers! 99 percent of us that watch and listen UA-camrs reviewing all sorts of of audio equipment,especially speakers……My first impression on these speakers were like hmmmm the sound is pretty good, the sound stage seems to be pretty big,and they seem to have pretty good bass from what Thomas was saying. Now, I know I know you gonna say carl you can’t judge a speaker by listening to it through a iPad speaker,c’mon man! Well I would have to agree but hey we all do it 😉 😂 now lucky for me I had to go by Thomas’s house to pick some tubes,and while being there Thomas pops the question hey carl would you like to listen to my new speakers? Of course I said yes 👍 I’ll keep this short lol first off everything Thomas spoke about was right on and would agree with him.these little speakers pack a punch “trust me’’ they can shake a floor, very impressive. Honestly for a small woofer these things bang for the buck are amazing.so I would greatly suggest to anyone going to the Montreal audio show is find Thomas and have a listen to these little greatness of a speaker and BTW there was a little something about these speakers I didn’t like, but what I will do I’ll let Thomas maybe explain what it was in his next video 😉😆
Yes, glad you like them. This experience at my place showed you that sound demo is useless in showcasing speakers.
Why did the regular TS Voyager got discontinued so fast?
Are the speaker walls "thin" so that the speaker can have resonance... like a guitar?
Does Sean still do reviews? I catch his live videos here and there. But haven't seen much in the way of reviews from him in a very long time. I like the guy and his content. Hope he's doing well.
Yeah, next time at a live stream, tell him to get his lazy ass off the couch and start working!
@@ThomasAndStereo haha. Maybe I'll word it differently lol
@@ThomasAndStereowe do every time but hes too caught up playing with his pretty Accuphase amps. 😅
😂 not the real Mr Kanta 😅😅😅
Hi Thomas, when can I buy these speakers?
Thomas these look excellent and I think many are going to be interested especially at this price. Well done
Mids & low volume focus, really nice Thomas.
I'm a near field listener too. 85 sounds like 100, too much.
Cogratulation again!! They sound better with your galion i would love to ear them in person
Very exciting. TL speakers are some of my favorite. ❤❤❤
May I ask a general question? Why do some amps/receivers have a speaker impedance selection while others don't? What is the switch actually doing? My Marantz has it, but not my Pioneer Elite.
I asked AI and this is the anwser
"Some amplifiers and receivers have a speaker impedance selection switch to accommodate different speaker loads and ensure optimal performance and safety. This switch allows users to select the impedance setting that matches their speakers, typically in increments like 4, 6, or 8 ohms.
Purpose of the Impedance Switch
Power and Heat Management: The impedance switch helps manage the power output and heat generation of the amplifier. Lower impedance settings (e.g., 4 ohms) allow the amplifier to deliver more current, which can result in increased heat. By selecting the appropriate impedance, the amplifier can operate more efficiently and safely.
Sound Quality: The impedance setting can also affect sound quality. For instance, using a lower impedance setting might result in a more controlled sound, while a higher setting could produce a wider soundstage but potentially more congestion in the sound.
Protection: The switch serves as a protective measure to prevent damage to the amplifier and speakers. Mismatched impedance can lead to overheating or distortion, so setting the correct impedance helps avoid these issues
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Why Some Amps Don't Have the Switch
Not all amplifiers and receivers include an impedance selection switch because many modern devices are designed to handle a range of speaker impedances automatically. These devices are built to manage the varying impedance loads without manual intervention, making the switch unnecessary for typical consumer use. Additionally, some manufacturers may prioritize simplicity and user-friendliness, opting to design their products to work seamlessly with common speaker impedances without requiring user adjustments."
Hey Thomas, will you be at the Montreal Audio show?
Yes room 1226
See you there!
@@ThomasAndStereo
Thomas, are you going to come out with a tube preamp to go along with your new solid state amplifier? I think that set up with these speakers would make for an awesome system.
Yes but that setup is meant to drive speakers of $5k and up. It does sound very very good with these speakers.
@@ThomasAndStereo please make that preamp holding up to Loic's Melody pre amp...
@@goodsound4756 I think he has a very expensive pre amp!
@@ThomasAndStereo yes you will have to compete against a $16 K gear.
But a good sounding Preamp has not to cost as much as that.
Was the price you quoted each?
I appreciate the fact that you respond to many comments.
Thanks, no that is the price for the pair.
Wow !!! I can hear the Galion TS-A75 sound way better 😊👍
I think so too!
Affordable for US $ but locks us Canucks out.😀
Damm loonie. I know the pain.
Congrat again Thomas , you da man
Good for you Mr. Thomas! I am very happy for you that you are making a real go at the stereo market. FWIW, although as I have sent you pictures before, I have tall multi-driver open baffle dipole line arrays with 13 drivers a side (custom designed by a good stereo designer friend of mine - so NOT at a high cost) So, that is my very favourite type. However, for many years before this I also had a custom made, by another stereo designer friend, a simple transmission line set with 2 drivers, a huge, heavy box with a custom designed 8" driver with a folded horn transmission line coming out the front at the bottom, and ribbon tweeters mounted on separate plinths that sat on top of the tall boxes, which could be simply moved forward, backward, tilted horizontally, whatever to suit and balance the sound.
And, I must say, that I *LOVED* the transmission line sound! It is so open and spacious and the bass goes pretty deep. A fantastic sound! So, being a person who will never, ever, *EVER* have conventional sealed 'boxes' I can imagine that your new transmission line speakers will sound awesome! 😁👍
Thanks, yes I remember your system and I cannot only imagine how big the soundstage would be. Transmission line has its strength and personally I had a few in my house before, I think everyone should give it a try. Thanks for your comment.
@@ThomasAndStereo Yeah, that was the primary idea in creating the line arrays and their strong point is indeed in the size of the image and soundstage. The components aren't that expensive and the tonality may not be up to the better speakers, but it most DEFINITELY does show up differences in image placement and soundstage. Just a quick example, the recent Pink Floyd Animals remix. Yes, it was far more defined and exact in its presentation, but on my system I could tell that the 1st UK pressing which is indeed murkier and darker, still had a more 'organic' and natural placement of instruments in the soundstage. Whereas with the 'cleaner' more precise remix, the placement of the instruments sounded to me to be more artificial and not as naturally appearing in the image, which to me the original UK pressing sounds better.
Also, the material lends itself to a more dark, atmospheric landscape, kind of like the original Vertigo UK pressings of the early Black Sabbath albums. On my system, that is why a LOT of these recent 1/2 speed Abbey Road remasters do not sound very good. There are exceptions, but many of them come across as fremer said about the recent Who's Next album, 'like they are projected flat across a shower curtain' In other words with no real depth or dimension.
Congratulations Thomas!!Can they be used for nearfield listening aprox 4,5 feet in small room 129 sq feet?My music taste is mostly rock music from 70s,80s.Thank you so much!!!🎵🎶
@@harrisarp3841 yup, just need to close half port.
@@ThomasAndStereo thank you Thomas.
Is that the rst28f tweeter
yes, it is stated on his website for the speaker's specs
To call it "Budget" may be a streach, but I thought Focal Utopia Stella or Maestro from Utopia line were playing, but it was Alta Audio Allysas... Jaw drop moment for sure, not only like 1/8 of the size, but also like 1/10 or even less of the price. That's wild.
@ThomasAndStereo, how does it compare to Wharfedale Linton 85th anniversary speakers or Buchardt S400 MKII? Thank you so much!
Gallion Audio……whats next Gallion motor co….?
Galion Instant noodles 🍜
@@ThomasAndStereo smart ass,why you up late counting your yen ?
I don't think Canada uses Yen.😅
hi Thomas! I am from Laval can I try a pair
@claudebourgoin5753 yes, message me at thomas.tan@galion-audio.com
30 years ago i have built a transmission line and i was only use all parts of "paradigm Atom" 4 in. And surely by luck, these speakers was breaking all rules. I have sold them 20 y ago and i realy regret it. That make me think about another surprising mini RB 42. 🤗
What is your opinion on EQ-ing the bass with software or for example a Schiit Lokius? Because I once heard a speaker with foam plugs and I didn't like it. Took away more than just bass.
Well done Thomas. Your description sounds exactly like the speakers I'm looking for. I was thinking about Harbeth but I reckon yours will have more bass. Please send some to UK reviewers Terry at Pursuit Perfect System and Tarun at British Audiophile. 🙏
I'm going to say something that will shock you all. I'm actually interested in this speaker because of .... the look!
It's a hard, cold fact of life that listening above 70db at your listening space is slowly deteriorating your hearing, starting with the high frequencies.
Sean is a great reviewer. These speakers have me excited.
Behind the scene, a few UA-camrs have gotten their hands on it, some great videos coming soon.
I've enjoyed my transmission line Meadowlark E seires Eagle speakers for many years. I can't think of a better build process that I like better.
I won't call my self an audiophile because most of the recommended equipment is out of my reach price wise. I own a few vintage receivers like the Marantz 2325 and my favorite pioneer sx1250 and a pair of Thiel 3.5 speakers and to me my setup sounds great. Listening to you talk about your speakers makes me want to hear them myself but at $1,195 I won't day that they are affordable
Carl ,this doesn’t mean that you aren’t an audiophile…I to have been on a budget all my life, and if you follow THOMAS and many other UTUBE people…they will tell you that,all you need is a love 💕 of music 🎶 and the equipment,old or new that makes you an audiophile 🤗👍,CONGRATS,NOW YOU KNOW 💚💚💚
Bro... You're an audiophile. It's okay. 😂
If the TL is well designed, these would be a steal.
If you're interested in sound quality you're an audiophile, the $ spent are irrelevant
You are definitely an audiophile. And you have a great set of speakers there too. ✌️
Any plans for the Montreal AudioShow? You have enough products for your own room now ;)
I might get a room to showcase the Galion TS A20 class A solidstate amp and the upcoming Tube preamp with a $10k speaker. Then organize a get together with my subscribers to showcase this TL speaker after hours.
@@ThomasAndStereo That would be awesome!
@@ThomasAndStereo preamp? Please be balanced.
Why aren’t these speakers on the website anymore?
Yes they are
How would these compare to klipsch rp-600m?
The reviewers have done an excellent job explaining why this speaker is different and special at its price point. I hope we're looking at a modern classic that goes down in history and a new trend in bookshelves.
Cheers for the new speakers. Have not heard it but looks really interesting. Any plans for dynamic speakers that sound like a Maggie with bass? Hehehe.
Looks like someone has been in the Dayton audio/SB Acoustics parts bin!
TL bass is softer, slower , but less boomy , and for a small speaker , should make a deeper sound
Thomas Please You had dali epicon 6 What an amp Thank you for your work
My RANT about speakers that sound "differenet" to other speakers. It's not so much a frequency response thing, but more of an acoustic method that's different (a bit like tube amps sounding different to solid state amps). If you have drivers in the front panel compared to a single large panel (with the same frequency respose) I reckon they would still sound different. From a speaker builder of speakers that sound "different".
Interesting!
They look like a cross mission 770 and castle
Would love to buy them Thomas but getting them in Dubai is not possible. I know you ship them here but with 20-60 day shipping and shipping and customs not included is a bit of a bummer. Got myself a Gato Audio and Buchardt amp - and the shipping and customs duty included makes it easier.
Yeah, you can't go wrong with that. Those Gato speakers look amazing. So affordable!
I’m curious why Zero Fidelity didn’t like the sealed Voyager and did like the Transmission Line version-was it just the bass? Or something else? (Be nice if he released on honest video about it.)
Ah, you should ask him in a live stream.
Hello Thomas, thanks for your activity in the hiring world. I would love to hear you review the exposure 2510 a British analogue amp. Could you find one in Canada?
Keep well
I don't have a connection but if I come across it, I will.
How does it compare to polk r200 soundwise? I wonder. Sean! Do u hear me😅. Thomas I don't remember if you have reviewed r200s. Did u?
Ask Sean how it compares to the R200 in a live stream. He did AB test it against the Polk, ATC and Buchardt p300.
Exactly What i like for a speaker
Strong interest Thomas, I wondering for the bass quantity of TL if compare with Sibelius coz I am considering to migrate from stand-mount to floor standing soeaking. Thx for your time and great work again here.
If you can afford the Sibelius, then go for the Sibelius. The Sibelius bass is much better controled and balance. It will reproduce unamplified instruments accurately. The TS Voyager TL is a fun speaker that don't care about being neutral, accurate and yada , yada, yada
lol at Sean posting more reviews on Thomas channel in 2024 than on zero fidelity 😂. Would love to hear Sean speak on a comp vs his beloved p3esr on a nearfield or midfield environment. I would imagine tone and texture should be similar but with more bass
HAHAHAHAH
Wondering if you would recommend a certain speaker stand or recommended height. Thanks
I don't have a speaker stand to recommend but the closer you can get the tweeter pointing to your ear, the better. Maybe 28 inch high stand.
Love the Sean pop ups and comments
Braaavooo!! TL standmount, should have more natural bass and overall more natural presentation- sound.
It has a very interesting bass
What are those banana plugs?
Congratulation T! Just found out you are in the speaker making business. I will buy a pair soon.
Awesome! Thank you!
I love the way transmission lines load the room.
I wouldn't consider a $1000+ bookshelf speaker "affordable".
It's all relative because it is a transmission line. A $1000 bookshelf speaker is not the same as a $1000 transmission line speaker. For a transmission line speaker, it is super affordable.
@@ThomasAndStereo To me, it is still a bookshelf speaker and I have a hard time justifying spending more than $650 on a bookshelf speaker. I can see $1000 for a floorstanding (tower) speaker, but not a bookshelf speaker.
@@jukingeo Sure, different solutions for different people. The only question is what if you like the transmission line bass and would like to get one? Beyond budget, there is also 'do I like the sound or not' issue.
@@ThomasAndStereo I am curious about the design as I never had heard one before. The closest thing I got to it was a scooped vent box, which is kind of a horn loading and this was a commercial (DJ) speaker. It is a cross between a horn and bass reflex cabinet. Definitely not a transmission line. My closest experience with a small transmission line would be the Bose Wave Radio. If I liked the way the speaker sounds, of course I would be interested in it. Cost would be a stopping factor though as I do love the sound of Klipsch Forte speakers, but there is no way I am shelling out $3k for a pair of those.
If a subwoofer is not required then these are a true bargain. I rather have full range speakers that don't need a subwoofer like the ones I have now. Never had very good musical sound from subwoofers. And they take up space.
😂😂😂 what a "story"
Will you sell stands to go with the speakers? They look great!
Thanks, no plans to sell stands.
Thomas, I am waiting for a coaxial AND TL in one and I would strongly consider buying it… I will wait for your one if u ever build one. (Voiced like your current TL )
Interesting. I think a lot of single driver speakers uses the cabinet in a similar way. I don't know if anyone has used Coaxial.
@@ThomasAndStereo we can have something to beat Kef metas 😀🙌
I miss Sean.
Maybe you can send them to Z reviews as well.
Sure
You should make a TL bookshelf quadruple the price with Purifi drivers and Focal tweeters.
I have one developed, horn but not TL. Bass is insane on that one, but I am not sure I will bring it to market due to cost.
@ThomasAndStereo look at Fritz speakers. How does he do that??? Berylium Purifi, $4200. I mean, other than he hand builds them after you order lol. Anyway, I know, I know. Buy please try to develop I guess a slightly more high end TL bookshelf.
The Dimensions on your website say = 14” W x 14” H x 7.5” D
Is that mixed up a bit, maybe it should be = 7.5” W x 14” H x 14” D
Ah, I was just checking if you were paying attention :)
@@ThomasAndStereo I was looking to see what the exact depth is and saw that. You should also have it in metric Mr. T.
Are you planning on a floorstanding version?
No, no plans.
Then I can be assured you used the best parts in the crossovers. No cheese but copper coils, no steel in your binding posts, better capacitors and no clip on speaker posts with PVC covered oxygen infested wires.
I used standard components in this speaker's crossover. The SE one has the expensive crossover with air coil for example.
@@ThomasAndStereo As long as their copper coils it should be alright and no sand cast resistors.
🍻Thomas!
Thomas, will you ever review the Polk audio r700. The reserve line gives a run for its money to the klipsh 8000F II...
Would like so much a review on these compared to the enotiva t2+ that you really loved... Compared also to the klipsh
I heard them at a subscribers home. Strong and confident, but on the dark side so it will be very different than the 8000F.
Happy Polk r700 owner here - very happy with them. For comparison, was running Klipsch rb82iis before, so these were a step up in price - not as lively on the top end, but smoother - and very smooth and coherent all the way up and down the musical spectrum, can hit plenty hard with the 80 wpc Onkyo tx8260, which (in the context of channels like this) would be considered a mid-fi receiver.
I appreciate SO MUCH your update... Really think will go for the R700...
How will these present Faye Wong or Susan Wong’s voices?
These speakers are made for them.
How about for Jacky Cheung and Beyond? This or the voyager mkii?
I am not a speaker designer but I was told the tweeter being very close to the woofer is critical. Why is the tweeter bezel not notched out to be closer to the woofer ? Or does that not really matter anymore?
There are reasons to put the tweeter as close to the woofer as possible. Single driver or coaxial even put the tweeter inside the woofer. However, like everything in life, there are pros and cons. Take Harbeth for example, everyone say you need a thick cabinet, yet they use thin cabinets.
It depends on where the speakers are crossovered over and the size of the mid woofer . A lot of big name speaker companies don't really care but in diy I do the math.
I've been waiting for this video Thomas! 😀
Hope you enjoyed it!
Hi Thomas, how long would it take to break these speakers in? 100 hours or so? Thanks, Steve
Thanks, I think way less than that..play heavy bass music for a few hours should be enough.
Ok, thank you for the quick reply.
Need to hear them !
Just set mine up tonight and I’ll just say, “wow”! I listen at lower volumes and mainly vocal music and the midrange is simply wonderful. Driving them with my new Galion TS-120!
Thanks for letting the world know! Yes, it has very good synergy with Galion amps...I wonder why 🤔🤣
Looks good Thomas
THANKS THOMAS 🤗 FOR SHARING YOUR STORIES 👍💚💚💚
My pleasure!!
I thought that transmission line speakers did not have sound absorption panels along the pathway
It should. Check wikipedia?
It has it, very specifically placed. That's why nobody makes them.
I owned the Meadowlark kestrel two transmission line speakers years ago. Absolutely fantastic speaker for the price.
How do they compare to the PMC DB1 gold ?
Pmc felt more like a traditional speaker. Tighter bass, perhaps because you cannot remove the foam. Pmc also had a very lively top end with lots of detail, I love that speaker. The Voyager is very different, it feels bigger with wider soundstage and as I mentioned smoother and warmer. Both are good but for different audience. The PMC has a more traditional presentation and will work in most rooms. The Voyager is more polarizing.
I bought the PMC gold some time back because of you and your program. still happy with them, thx@@ThomasAndStereo
@sanne2786 I love those speakers, great for desktop and in a normal room, just add a sub and you can get off the audiophile merry go round.
Why not use a more detailed tweeter? Would that detract from the "heart-melting" midrange? I used to love the Buchardt S300MkII for its natural tonality, but eventually I was missing too much important detail due to its fuzzy treble. So I guess I'm not interested in this speaker -- otherwise I would be.
This tweeter is used in some usher speakers so it can be hyper detail. It is a simple resistor value change in the crossover. I did contemplate on that and experiment. Eventually I decided on this voicing because there are many speakers with hyper detail top end on the market but only a few with buttery smooth midrange. You can go for the b&w 607, it is an amazing speaker with all the detail you need. I have that speaker and am really impressed.
Thank you Thomas. I'm not interested in the boosted highs of B&W speakers. Could I ask more about your speaker? Since you say the tweeter "can be" hyper-detailed, it sounds as if you have rolled it off somewhat so that the highs are not as pronounced. But that's a different thing from how "resolving" or "detailed" a tweeter actually is. That's what I'm trying to understand. Lots of music doesn't need a lot of detail -- and lots of music sounded good on the Buchardt S300MKII. But some didn't. Some electronic music for example has very complex overtones and echo effects and decays in the highs that are important to the music. Please comment more about the character of your speaker and what kind of music you feel it plays the best with. Thanks again!
@@williamdirks5805 Yes, there is a difference in resolution and detail. What you are looking for is resolution, let me get back to you on that because I don't listen to Electronic music myself. See what others who have my speaker say. Vocal of course it is good, jazz and classical music. I know Tee Jay the bargain stereophile likes it with rock.
Also going to depend on your electronics as well Just not the speaker ' I been playing loads of different music ' hell Godsmack was killing last night I was shocked how well the vocals sounds I couldn't believe how I could also hear the depth of the stage with vocals' bass guitar is absolutely Fireworks ! The midbody of the speaker is the star of the show ' I just got done listing to Black light syndromes track duende which gets very fast and complex with multiple instruments playing at the same time hard n fast and their was no smearing seperation is on point at 83-84db ' and lots of meat on the bone or midrange fullness
(Body)'with drums i can at times hear the skin the drum meaning accuracy '
I am now listing to book of hours by Blacklight syndrome the tweeter is forgiving but still decay/reverb draw out into the room but its not overly drawn out ' but once i went from schiit Modius dac to my Denafrips Ares 2 and detail refinement gained a level in performace ' I can also easily hear the pick plucking the guitar strings so good resolution without being over baring ' imaging is good but for better results I do put them on axes meaning speakers pointing at me this really help with center focus ' Hope this helps this speaker will not be for everyone But @ Price Point Voyager will compete with higher end speakers I have also rolled threw a few Amps and my more Reveling Amps sounds best to me ' but those Amps like good to great recordings
@@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120 ok, thanks
these look interesting, i see a SEAS driver is used, id like to hear them
It is an sb acoustic driver, thanks
You just got schooled son! It's not a SEAS driver LMAOOOOO
im glad you found it so amusing , you must be very easy to amuse @@YouSoundButtHurt
This sound is very much in my wheelhouse! Well done!
Thanks a lot!
Yes, I have listened to over 100 speakers, I can count a handful that have midrange that melts my heart.