SpaceX's 'Wet' Fleet Gives Up On Catching Falling Fairings
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- Опубліковано 10 кві 2021
- SpaceX has dismantled the massive nets on Ms Tree and Ms Chief which were used for catching fairings falling from space, but, they still have a large fleet of ships used for ocean recovery operations so this seems like a perfect opportunity to talk about this:
More info on SpaceX's Ships
spacexfleet.com/
Cool people who have shared photos of the SpaceX Fleet
/ julia_bergeron
/ nasaspaceflight
/ kyle_m_photo
/ thejackbeyer - Наука та технологія
Wow, that shot with fairing separation and a stage blasting off with the payload was absolutely gorgeous!
He made an entire video about that footage and some others a few months ago.
@@eere3343 I'm not saying that he didn't, but remembering that would seriously strain my guppy fish- like memory:]
@@sebastianwlodarczyk I was just letting you know so you could check it out if you hadn't seen it.
time stamp?
@@Buildings1772 1:54
“Just Read the Instructions had to go through the Panama Canal but it’s actually too wide”
Oh boy, here we go again...
**Wide Putin music**
I guess they should have named it, "Kindly Review The Specs," instead.
I wonder why they didn't take it around the horn? I know it's very dangerous shipping, but surely it couldn't be more expensive than cutting up your ship then welding it back together.
@@hagerty1952 Well, this wasn't complicated welding, by the looks of it.
Also keep in mind that the horn takes far longer.
There’s no way it’s too wide. You can tell by the 40 foot containers on deck it is less than 150 feet abeam and neo Panamax is 168. It must just be cheaper to narrow it. Lower transit fees or something. Using the larger locks costs more so they can avoid that by cutting it up.
"There is nothing special about them."
*sad tug noises
lol
What's that Tugger? you like the song?
TUGGAH’S SHOT IMSELF
7:38
Tugs have been around so long that we have a three letter word for them that everybody knows.
One is famously featured in a 1839 painting by Constable (‘The Fighting Temeraire’) that was voted the nation’s favourite painting and later put on a banknote.
The thing I love the most about their drone ships is that a whole bunch of stuffy reporters and news anchors have had to repeatedly say “Of Course I Still Love You” on air 🤣🤣
And of course, that line they always get from tech support "Just Read The Instructions."
When I launch rockets I'm going to one-up this with something much ruder :)
They’re using the Culture naming convention
1
'1
I一
"of course I still love you" is definitely the best name ever given to a ship.
"of course i still love you" loss of signal
Best message
Ms Tree (Mystery) and Ms Chief (Mischief) are pretty cool too but yeah 'of course I still I love you' goated
If am not mistaken 'of course I still I love you' has a twin also.
Edit: Scott Mentioned them in the video, am still gonna list coz the names are that cool
BOOSTER RECOVERY BARGES :
-Just Read The Instructions
-A Short Fall of Grativas
-Of Course I Still Love You
...ever given
Boaty Mc Boatface would like to disagree.
Oh, they have some great ones still to come. Check out Ian M Banks.
One of those fairing recovery ships should be renamed "Miss Take".
I assume that would have been the third one
It is very obvious that Musk probably compulsively runs off any efficiency expert that has ever crossed his path.
Miss Dit. Again.
Miss Carriage for the ones with bad results.
@@SimonBuchanNz What would be the point of odd number of ships when there is even number of fairings?
Please don't forget about the Men and Women of the US Coast Guard who are out securing the offshore range during every launch regardless of weather and seas.
Except when Bob and Doug got back lol.
@@user-lv7ph7hs7l Their is alot more to that story..... It's hard to secure a 10NM x 10NM square in international waters.
@@strub6732 it isn’t hard, they just didn’t commit the appropriate resources.
@@strub6732 i dare say you'd need some optical tweezers to secure such a tiny parcel of aqueous real estate!
@@FredPlanatia You'd need electron tweezers. Optical photons would be too big and clumsy.
Perhaps a missed opportunity for "I'm Scott Manley, sail safe."?
that would be like fail safe
Land safe?
"For every great booster, there is a great octograbber" - The Saying.
This is the way!
👍
"For every great booster, there is a great octograbber" - Kenny Florian
It looks like he landed the plane and built a huge grabber to catch Mrs. Pancakes, while he let's us fall into that giant vat of lava. Pretty concise Morty, as usual...
You don't know me!
@@NickDanzinger Nice MMA reference! "For every great booster, there is a great octograbber" - Kenny Florian
When he was about to talk about the octograbber, I thought he was gonna mention the seagulls on the droneship when the booster was loose
Those Falcons are vegetarian and they respect other birds
Just put an outboard motor on the back of those fairings and have them speedboat their way back to shore.
Playing the Goldeneye theme all the while.
Always felt like they missed the opportunity to name one of the ships ‘Ms Isle’
Ms Ides
Ms O'Ginny
Miss Ann Thrope
Ms Erie and Co.
Just like jackimo22 said, Miss Dopa Tune Ity.
0:14 The fish all around these boats thought these were the dumbest fishermen they had ever seen until one of them said HOLY CRAP! They just caught something from space!!! If they remember we are here we are screwed!
Holy Carp
Breaking news: Florida men fishes out of the sky
Fish: Bout dam time they started harvesting the gulls. It's payback time boys, line up for the the scraps.
That one fish that always ruins it for everyone else: You guys know we can't fly right?
@@diGritz1 Exocoetidae: "Hey, speak for yourself!"
can't wait for spacex to name a droneship "Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Mere Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath"
Mistake Not... ;-)
The MNMCSOJGPFTAATMOTTSOITATTMMSFMVOOW droneship will catch a booster one day.
Beat me to it. Thank you Evelyn! :-)
Still awaiting "Grey Area" for something. I met Iain Banks a few months before his illness announcement. Pretty sure he'd be both flattered and highly amused at the name use.
I did love that name... but they might need a bigger ship to write it on.
This is one of the things that helps Spacex rapidly progress, they recognize when something isn't working out and they cut their losses.
Of all the "SpaceX, Space Junky UA-cam providers" this is the best.
This is a really great video! Thank you for making it.
I had no idea SpaceX had such a large fleet. Phobos and Deimos are the big, attention getting new additions, but it's the drone barges, support ships and fairing recovery ships (along with the tugs) that make reusability more than just a word. It was really interesting to learn about them here. And what the heck is an Octagrabber? They grab onto the booster and secure it for transport? Very cool!
Whenever I see people who like Iain M Banks: ah I see you're a man of culture as well
Mister Scott Manley, I just returned from the Houston space center.
It was AWESOME!!.
I REALLY liked rocket park.
The redstone was my favorite part.
And I did touch the saturn.
It's very big.
The falcon 9 was all burned up from numerous reentry missions.
It stopped me heart.
The f1 was amazing.
nice
I got to see these ships in person heading out to catch fairings, shame they won't be doing it anymore.
Whys it a shame considering the lack of success? Its a shame the idea didnt work and a shame to continue failing.
Shame he said Board-a-Lon instead of Bordelon
Yeah theyre ashamed of doing something cool but actually just making things more expensive and complicated
God I feel dumb. I've literally just now realised that the ship names are "Mystery" and "Mischief". Not sure what I thought the names meant before.. I, uh.. yeah.
Miss Tree and Miss Chief :D
It’s OK. Sometimes the smartest people miss simple things. I have done it myself and I’m not exactly lacking brain cells (though I’m no genius). Happens to all of from time to time.
Reminds me of Harry Potter: Diagon Alley and Knockturn Alley
@@BnORailFan Oh. My. God.
"Diagonally". "Nocturnally".
I don't know whether to curse you or praise you (and JK Rowling for that matter).
Funny thing is, I love the similar wordplay in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series, so it's not like my brain is wired to prevent me appreciating these kinds of jokes. Not sure why these particular examples never clicked. *Shrug*
@@sixstringedthing If it's any consolation I didn't realize the ship names were word plays on Mystery and Mischief until you mentioned it.
What's your favourite Culture ship name for use by SpaceX. I like the Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, or maybe the Sleeper Service. But The Ends of Invention and of course the "Funny it Worked Last Time" would also be kinda cool.
Imagine how it would sound on SpaceX broadcast if something happens to the booster xD
"It seems like booster exploded after landing on the drone ship... Funny it Worked Last Time"
The Grey Area and alias should probably be avoided.
@@rebellion2054 probably should also avoid the "Lasting Damage" (1&2)....but I could totally see a "Another Fine Product From The Nonsense Factory"
The Usual but Etymologically Unsatisfactory
If the first operational Starship isn't called 'Enterprise' I'm gunna throw myself off a bridge
Great T shirt. Blink was June 2007 - nearly 14 years ago. I was staggered. And horrified at how old I'd got without noticing.
“They are fast, faster than you can believe. Don't turn your back, don't look away, and most of all, DON'T BLINK!”
Thank you, Scott. I've been wanting someone to do a rundown on all the wet ships Space X uses. This was awesome.
I really love your videos Scott, they're so pleasant to watch :)
Interesting and worthwhile video.
Great lil update on the fleet! Thanks Scott, I'm sooo busy I only have time to watch your videos and a few others, I appreciate your efforts to keep us abrest of what's going on in the aerospace world, thanks again from Ottawa, Canada :)
Your enthusiasm is infectious. Never stop.
Great content! Keep the good work! I'm from Brazil!
Great Video... Thanks for covering the ships. Need a video on the ‘
“octograber”
I love watching your episodes, always make me laugh and very informative!
That last line to close the video is worth the "like" alone. Cheers my man, keep up the work we love you do, lol.
"For every great booster... " this killed me! Thank you LOL
Hi Scott. Support from Alberta Canada!
Berta boys
i am somewhere near there
We 'Berta boys are everywhere
@@alexanderkenway Red Deer here
Another excellent bit of coverage.
Great info Scott! Thanks.
I love the Iain M. Banks Culture series of books. Sad there won't be more. I named my first smartphone - an HP iPaq- Skaffen Amtiskaw.
The "I said I've got a big stick" (in a small font) and the "Just passing through" are my favourite culture vessel names
Thank you so much for covering all these ships, but most particularly octagrabber. I've been curious about these for some time.
Just excellent content. Thank you for what you do, Scott.
Well, not all things can be fully successful as envisioned I guess. But sometimes the only way to really find out is to try it out for a while.
Ditching a solution because you discovered the problem is not as bad as you hypothesized is one of the better outcomes in life.
I have that same shirt! One of my favorites
Neat. I didn't know about the octograbber. What an amazing venture and team behind it all!
That vessel is called a walk to work vessel, it was pioneered in Norway / UK gas pipelines. The crane you see has a walkway on the crane arms. It is designed the hold a stationary position whilst the vessel moves up and down underneath the crane and work platform, it is a very special crane for allowing workers to access non manned ocean platforms.
The new ship looks like it maybe useful for offshore Starship operations, working with the platforms at sea.
The new ship is just a standard offshore support vessel: there are thousands of them around the world and it's pretty easy to get hold of one, especially in the Gulf.
I strongly believe that will be its primary use in the SpaceX fleet. One of the uses for those ships is underwater site preparation for placing an oil rig.
They will probably set up an underwater bubble curtains around the platforms to muffle the sounds of a StarShip launch and to keep marine life out of the danger zone near a launch.
I assume that anchoring a large ring of heavy pipes with millions of tiny holes deep in the water is a non trivial task. The giant air compressors that feed the bubble curtains will be on the platform, but there will probably be a fair amount of ongoing maintenance work of the underwater parts of the system.
They will also want a ship standing by ready to gather rocket pieces off of the seafloor during the testing phase, when RUDs are common.
The Shelia Bordelon can carry two submersibles. What names would make sense in the Ian Banks universe?
How is Shelia pronounced?
"For every great booster, there is a great octograbber securing them." 🤣🤣🤣
Great information. Well presented. Subscribed!
Another great video scott. I enjoyed your new intro & outro tunes too
love the use of Banks’ ship names, but also a fan of his books.
There is nothing else quite like The Use of Weapons.
Made my nerd day, many thanks!
I watched the Blink episode Friday! Great video. Fly safe.
Excellent video.
I do like a boat... and tugs are my favorite.
We won’t give up on you Scott! Cheers!
Never gonna give you up
0:41 "...and when I was at SpaceX's factory..." Wait, what? Did I miss something here? When was Scott at SpaceX?
They probably take him in every time they're about to roll one out, just so he can loudly proclaim to each booster, "I'm Scott Manley, fly safe".
Probably wasnt able to record
Always a treat!
Definitely one of my favorite sayings as well Scott
Ian M. Banks is the business. The Culture ship names are epically outstanding. I wonder if you could get "Mistake Not My Current State of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath" on a barge bow? (The Hydrogen Sonata, which I heartily recommend).
I hope the thing that catches the super heavy is called Go Go Gadget.
Always great entertaining content no matter the subject of space vehicles or of a navy.
Can’t get over how great the sign offs lines are.
"octograbber" sounds like the title of a bad hentai...
or a bond sequel
@@requited2568
With an obscure Microjet that might be the coolest personal plane of all time?
Thank you. How do the thrusters work on the drone ships? And how do the Octograbbers really work? Enqueuing minds want to know.
Elliot, the azimuthing thrusters ( aka z-drives) are networked into an on board system called dynamic positioning. This computer system is able process inputs from GPS data, wind speed and pitch/roll sensors and then send commands to the thrusters to hold the ships position within a fixed area. The thrusters can spin around and increase or decrease thrust in order to hold position. The system is able to react on the fly to changes in wind speed, wave action or currents that might cause the drone ship to move. My guess is one of the support ships has a remote dynamic positioning console where a bridge officer could make adjustments as needed.
The thrusters are just propellers on rotating pods -- nothing particularly special.
@@beeble2003 and that's currently a very standard tech used in all sorts of vessels. Oil industry has lots of uses for vessels that can keep position without being anchored.
Thanks Scott
1:53
cool shot of fairing deployment
Hopefully soon with starship, fairings will not have to be recovered at all!
Instead they'll have to catch the falling scraps from starship
@@arkitect5692 * of starship
@@michaelbuckers yup
I hope the engineers on those teams find new teams in the company :)
I wouldn't worry too much about them.
Sure ... fishing boats ^^
Thanks Kerbal Space Program for creating Mr Scott. Thanks Mr Scott for creating videos so I can stay informed with no effort on my end.
All Tugs are special in my heart ❤️
Fly safe! Interesting video
Yeah
You haven't even finished the video
Well now I have and ny comment was correct lol
I still want to see a ship named "Falling outside the normal moral constraints". Maybe more Jeff Bezos' style, though.
Bezos’s boat would be named, “no time for a toilet break”.
Assuming Bezos will ever get to landing a rocket anywhere other than the launch pad.
No, that would suit psychopath Elon. He had no problem making his Tesla employees go to work during the pandemic, causing many of them to be infected.
@@georgejones3526 he was willing to get infected himself because the symptoms are nugatory. What's really going to destroy lives is the debt bubble you created by crying off living.
Jeff who?
A few years ago I was living in Cape Canaveral FL and worked as a security officer for Port Canaveral. I had the honor of working the pier where they docked the SpaceX Drone ship. Whenever they made a successful retrieval it would dock there until they hoisted off the booster and returned it to the hanger. They would sit on the drone barge for a few days and so I got to get really close to them, and that was an amazing experience! My coworkers didn't understand my obsession, I'm sure all of you do. I'll never forget the smell of them. It was an interesting odor of burned stuff. Kind of like what you would imagine brimstone smelling like. Anyways, I live back in Oregon now so Florida is very very far away. The closest I get to a SpaceX launch now is on UA-cam! Well, that and the occasional fly over of a second stage burning up in the upper atmosphere. Wink, wink! I do get to keep the memories of my time down in rocket heaven though!
Amazing video as usual...
Sad, but now there is more space for new nice things. 🤷♂️
Never clicked so fast
thanks for a lot off useful information!
Thanks 😊 🙏
Wait, I just misheard Lauren Foss as Lauren Faust.
Well, after Elon self-identified as catgirl Kagerou Imaizumi, who is actually a wolfgirl from Touhou Project, I was nearly sure that he went deeper, and was about to name one of the recovery ships in the honor of the creator of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, and pretend to conquer not only the Moon and Mars, but also Equestria.
that was thorough.
@@CharlieBrown723 I love thorough analysis.
Bro, someone needs to delete whatever you write fanfiction on bro.
@@shuttlethefox6042 Ya know, writing fanfiction is a good training for analysing situations, but it doesn't look like a bad thing I guess.
@@makise-homura Yes but writing something someone regrets reading is bad because it can turn into something you regret writing.
I can't even express how much I love that shirt.
The shirt deserves a thumbs up before even listening to the whole video
This is just one of the reasons why Starship is so brilliant. It covers second stage recovery, fairing recovery and capsule recovery all in one. It makes perfect sense as the next step now that they are good at booster recovery
Yay!!!
29th comment, also RIP Ms Tree and Chief.
They're not dead, just changing jobs.
Excellent.
Nice report
I guess they weren't fairing very well.
Thank you for sharing the fleet love Scott.
Hey Scott if you got to the fairings before anybody else would maritime law allow you to claim them,Jack Sparrow needs to know,thanks
You can try, but don't complain when tony starks show up to reclaim it from you. 👍
The most you could do is claim salvor's payment. Seeing as they'd been put there on purpose, and were in the process of being recovered, SpaceX would save nothing by you picking them up, so you'd get no payment.
@@gasdive I doubt you'd get anything except perhaps a prosecution, since salvage law doesn't allow you to take someone's property just because it was left unattended for a few minutes.
"the limiting factor" is a great UA-cam Channel
Hi scott thank u for post
Hopefully one day we will say: You are Scott Manley. Fly Save. DM
Pov: you were early
I wasn’t lol
@@t65bx25 oof
Love your wibbly wobbly timy wimy shirt, in my humble opinion it is one of the best episodes..
My favourite episode as well!
Great T-Shirt!
It is sobering to recognize that some objectives that Spacex pursues, even if they are successful a couple of times, they may never manage to achieve consistently or economically. My fear is that one or more such challenges lie in wait for Starship.
oh no spacexbros we got too cocky
Just look at the normal loop system. It went from futuristic transports to tesla taxis driven by humans in a tiny tunnel.
@@KuK137 Cranky
That's the nature of being experimental and innovative. There is a high risk of failure to go with the rewards of success.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom Ähm, no, that is the nature of stupidity. NASAs Ingenuity helicopter is experimental and innovative, the loop and even worse the hyperloop are not lol.
You start out checking that the concept can work assuming the best case scenario, then try to see how bad the scenario actually is.
Musk promises miracles, claims that if you only try and ignore physics, it will work, to then revert back to a worse solution than we already had.
All I can say is "Don't Blink!" Weeping Angels are indeed about.....
Dang- I used to always get a kick out of seeing the Go ships tethered on my way in to work. Still see the recovery ships every now and then, even with the capsule on board. Cool vid though!
I’m curious how navigable the fairings are. I would be interested to know if they can get the halves to land reasonably close together.
Octo-grabber: Sounds like something Trump and three of his friends invented at a Miss Universe contest.
Scott, stay great! 💪😎🇺🇲
Hi Scott i'm Michael i work at SpaceX at the cape and i've been with the company since 2008 the original just read the instructions was damaged so badly that it had to be scrapped to build the new one think of all the early attempts and failures to land boosters on the drone ships.......they would sometimes hit the drone ships very VERY hard and the last time that the original just read the instructions came back to port it had to be pulled out of the water as it was taking on water and the pumps meant to keep i from sinking were burning out
thanks for the video we love guys like you and everyday
It's amazing it was easier to completely dismantle the drone ship sides to go through the canal than to go around cape horn! Maybe the weather there is the limiting factor.
Or a schedule deadline
Can you imagine the seaworthiness of a ship that shape if they ran into a big blow and proper roaring-forties rollers? Scary.