Romanian monarchs family tree, please! I love the chart posted on 1 July 2020, but not is historycal, is alternative. Please, for my country and the dead King Michael!
I spend most of Jack's videos now just waiting to hear him pronounce names and nail it. Being an Englishman, and Cumbrian at that, I would butcher these names!
Peter I was a badass who fought with the French Foreign Legion, fought in the Franco Prussian war, escaped from the Prussians and in the Herzegovina uprising, and was involved in the Paris commune. He translated "On liberty" to Serbian.
I know the chart is only Kings, but a look at early medieval (ie. pre-Nemanjić) Serbian dynastic gymnastics would be interesting (and also require a chart to understand). A deeper look at Montenegro, Bosnia (with the evolution from a Banate to a Kingdom) and (even though it was covered quickly here) a bit of a deeper look at Croatia would also be interesting.
@SM ZYX Not in a particularly centralized form, nor as a Kingdom (well, a few rulers claimed the title of king, but they tended to be forcibly demoted back to princes by the Byzanines), but a Serbian Principality containing Raška, Travunija and (most likely) Duklja was established around the early 780s AD by Višeslav, some 416 years before the elevation to a kingdom under Stefan Nemanja.
@SM ZYX No. The Dacians are a much older group and lived primarily in and around modern Romania (so Romania, Northern Bulgaria, Moldova, and parts of Hungary), they were never, to my knowledge, present on the Adriatic and would not really have been present at the point when Travunja existed. Maybe you're thinking of a different state with a similar name?
Yeah...I had to check the poster of the vid to check if I was watching a different channel but it's Useful Charts. He sounded different on this vid lol
I'm sorry to point out to an error. Croatia was never orthodox. Ever since the days of Duke Branimir - which predates, obviously, king Tomislav Croats were loyal to pope. Quote: During the solemn divine service in St. Peter's church in Rome in 879, Pope John VIII gave his blessing to the duke and the whole Croatian people, about which he informed Branimir in his letters. The Pope brought the very decision on 21 May 879, and confirmed it in his letter from 7 June 879.This was the first time that the Croatian state was officially recognized.
@KriptoCroat Niti jedno niti drugo nije originalno naše, već nametnuto sa strane, iz Rima ili Carigrada. Ono što je bilo naše, možeš još negdje naći u toponimima planinskih masiva Balkana.
lol...what is interesting...from 1:10-2:30 narator speak about Croats without any FACTS...can anyone just put here one FACT about just one croat king....JUST ONE CROAT KING?!?! Croats dont have kings...if you had, what is the problem to put here JUST ONE FACT ABOUT ONLY ONE KING...do you have grave of just one king? do you have flags, laws, state seals of just one king or kingdom, state?!?! from 2:30 till the end of clip...narator speak about Serbs...and still he didnt speak about Serbian dinasty before Nemanjic dinasty...wtf... why didnt he speak about VINCA CULTURE and 5.000-7.000 years ago on this lands...and look VINCA LETTERS and look SERBIAN CIRYLIC LETTER..22 same symbols....
@@СЕРБОНА first of all, you should know that cultures like Vinča (modern-day Serbia) and Vučedol (modern-day Croatia) were very advanced cultures for their time but they were original european cultures with no royal heritage and without any connection to today's Slavs therefore they are out of this video. Second of all, speaking of facts, the letter of pope John X to 1st Croatian king Tomislav clearly states "rex Croatorum = king of the Croats", then there are the Crown jewels sent to king Stjepan Držislav by the emperor from Constantinopole himself for Stjepan's help in the war against Bulgarians. Then there are numerous Venetian sources and religious documents calling our rulers Kings. Concerning graves though, no there aren't any found graves but then again, half of the Roman emperors don't have found graves. Though, there is the grave of king Mihajlo Krešimir's wife queen Helen (Jelena) in Zadar. Croatian history has always been clearly stated in all history books till after 1991 because of war-nationalism. You Serbs also had proud and long history so often bond together with ours. King Tomislav of Croatia let the Serbs in Bosnia and Serbian emperor Dušan let Croats in Dubrovnik. We all have long and interesting histories, all whole European and world countries. I love Serbians as people quite much, shame that everywhere in the world there are nationalist and ignorant people like you who annule basic facts just to feel more powerful in your little heads and to create conflict.
@@grdicf04...tell me if there is no heritage from VINCA culture...Serbian letter is АЗБУКА ( ЋИРИЛИЦА ) and from our 30 letters 22 is the same as the VINCA letter...how you call that?!?!? We Serbs have almost the same rituals like Vinca culture had and other stuff... But as l see...you like to speak without any FACTS... Is it hard too look Serbian letter and Vinca letter...you can find out yourself
@@grdicf04...also Nemanjic dinasty is not our firs dinasty and kings as Serbs...wtf those people speak about...how some idiots alow themselfs to speak about history of some people without any knowledge background?!?!? Serbs have few dinasties before Nemanjic dinasty and some other kings also...wtf... This chanel is idiotic for sure...they speak without any background history...
@@Hudpix16 Once the male line died out it shifted to multiple branches but by that time Carlist's as a political force in Spain was waning after Franco's regime came to power.
Mihajlo Vojislavljevic was the first Serbian king. He was crowned by Pope Gregory VII in 1077. There is well known material evidence that his son was a king as well, having inherited his father's crown. Therefore, this was not a single generation historical fluke. It would have been an amazing side topic for this video to get into how Balkan nations and cultures keep reemerging as distinct cultural, social, political and most importantly territorial units that no empire has ever managed to extinguish. While the Balkans are far from a graveyard of empires the likes of Afghanistan, their defiance is interesting in their own right as their diplomatic tactics are those of "mercenary" states.
@@makomaro im from montenegro and me and my family still considers us serbs! milo is trying to get all of the other people who call them selfes serbs to assimilate to being montenegrin in montenegro! we need to stop him
If you check wikipedia's page on modern Serbian states,you'll see today's Montenegro on that list,along side Serbia,Republic of Srpska and North Macedonia for some strange reason...
@@Weeboslav the reason is not strange, Macedonia as a nation, macedonians as people and macedonian as a language was first time mentioned in 1943 during the second communist AVNOJ meeting. Before that ,everybody (except Bulgaria) knew that the territory of North Macedonia was Serb with Serb people being the majority (type first balkan war)
@@Weeboslav Its not a strange reason. The reason is that anybody can edit wikipedia and write down whatever they want. Me, you, your grandmother, anybody.
Several (about 11) European monarchies ended following the two world wars (as did Croatia and Yugoslavia). Others (France, Portugal and Greece) ended between 1870 and 1973. I think it would be interesting to see who would rule these kingdoms today. I often wonder if the monarchies that survive have been helped or hurt by the practice of marrying commoners, and would find it interesting to know what the pool of spousal candidates would be if other monarchies had survived.
You left out a lot about Croatia. Like how the wife of Stephen I was Hicela Orseolo the daughter of the venetian doge, which would explain why their son Peter Krešimir IV (Peter being the name he took when he was crowned) leaned more towards Rome, or how Svetoslav, also known as Suronja (meaning: cold/dark) was dethroned by his brothers Krešimir III and Gojslav and was expelled to Venice only for his grandson Zvonimir to retake the throne after the death of Krešimir IV who had no male heir. There was also queen Jelena, the wife of Michael Krešimir II who ruled shortly as a regent after her husbands death, since their son Držislav was too young. There's a lot more than that to Croatia but I guess you did say you were gonna take just a quick look. Other than that you did a good job on Serbia and I like the chart.
I'm sure he did but there is about 5 century of Serbia before Nemanjici, but I get it that there are a lot more countries that he needs to do so he doesn't have time for us.
Could you do a Bulgarian monarchs family tree? That would be great to see it in such details, especially since a few Serbian princesses married into it.
1:46 Croatia was literally never largely an orthodox nation by religion, not even at a single point in it's history. I even tried to look it up, so that I wouldn't make a fool out of myself, and I literally found absolutely nothing regarding the eastern orthodox religion in Croatia during the Great Schism. The predecessor of Petar Kresimir, Stephen I of Croatia, is also considered to be a Catholic monarch. I belive that your sources were wrong about that.
Mislim da je ovo otvoreno za interpretaciju. On priča o periodu pre podele hrišćanstva i verovatno je mislio da je hrvatska bila pod većim uticajem Vizantije.
@LineOfCars I 'remamber' that the argument about long beards on medieval bishops and popes being completely irrelevant, since all popes and bishops had beards, some of them even long beards, in the medieval era. I also "remamber" that Croatia was the first nation to hold liturgy in its native language in Europe with an official acceptance of the pope himself, which is probably the most catholic thing a nation can possibly do.
They were till the churches divided... the west did not had huge power until they divided in late 11 century after that they influenced more and more.. so if u wanna find evidence find from 700 or 800 till 1100..
@@lorenzovonmatterhorn7402 I was also referring to that certain time span in the medieval ages, from 700 until the 1100, since those were the times christianity with western influence came to power in Croatia. Here are a couple of quotes from Wikipedia, which are backed by medieval sources: "They came in touch with the Christian natives and started to slowly accept Christianity. Byzantine and Frankish missionaries and Benedictines who were bringing Western cultural influences had a significant role in the christening of Croats." "Croats had their first contact with the Holy See in year 641 when the papal envoy Abbot Martin came to them in order to redeem Christian captives and the bones of the martyrs that Croats were keeping. There is little information about the "Baptism of the Croats", but it is known that it was peacefully and freely accepted, and that it took place between the 7th and the 9th century." "Byzantine emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus wrote in his book De Administrando Imperio that the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius, during whose reign Croats came to the land between Drava river and the Adriatic Sea (present-day Croatia), "brought priests from Rome who he made into archbishop, bishop, priests and deacons, which then baptized Croats."" "By the 9th century, Croats have already been fully included in a large European Christian community. Croatian rulers Mislav (around 839), Trpimir I (852) and many others were building churches and monasteries. In 879, Croatian duke Branimir wrote a letter to Pope John VIII in which he promised him loyalty and obedience. Pope John VIII replied with a letter on 7 June 879, in which he wrote that he celebrated a Mass at the tomb of St Peter on which he invoked God's blessing on Branimir and his people." etc. You get my point...
Croatians, WHERE NOT i repeat WHERE NOT a largely “orthodox” nation literally ever thats kinda the whole point and the main divide between croatia and serbia.
@@serbianeagle8523 Pa i pravoslavlje je nastalo 1054. Crkvenim raskolom.Prije tog događaja je postojalo samo kršćanstvo.Tako da ne shvaćam što želiš reći i koja je poanta tvog komentara.
Actually, there was one final heir to the House of Obrenović, an illegitimate child of King Milan I, George Obrenović who did claim the throne until his death in 1925, having previously fell into obscurity. However, according to a relatively obscure article published in 2003 by Novosti AD, George had a grandson by the name of Panta (Panka) Obrenović (apparently also known as Mark Eme) who served as chairman of “Fund Obrenović” until his death in 2002. Besides this potential claim, some descendants of the half-brother of Prince Miloš Obrenović I of Serbia, Jakov Obrenović also claim the throne, though little is known of this claim. Should Alexander I’s Government survived his reign, there was an agreement that if his marriage to Draga Mašin produce no children, the Serbian throne would pass to Prince Mirko of Montenegro, Grand Duke of Grahovo, whose son actually claimed the throne of Montenegro for a very long time, meaning we could have seen the Petrović-Njegoš dynasty on the Serbian Throne had both monarchies survived.
Hi! I'm really glad that you made a vidio about our, Serbian, royal family, but you got a few things wrong. Stefan I Nemanjic was our first King but the Nemanjic dynasty didn't start with him. It started with his father Stefan Nemanja who was the Grand prince (srb. Велики жупан, Veliki župan). After King Stefan I Nemanjic the throne went to his son Radoslav, then Vladislav and the to their brother Uroš I, then the king was Dragutin and after him his brother Stefan Uroš II Milutin. After King Milutin his son Stefan Uroš III Decanski became King, then his son Stefan Uroš IV Dušan or Dušan the Mighty who became the first Emperor or Tsar (srb. Цар, Car). The last ruler from the Nemanjic dynasty was Car Stefan Uroš V or Uroš the weak. The family name Stefan was then taken by Tvrtko I Kotromanić who was crowned in monastery Mileševa and he became King of Serbs and Bosnia. He did thet because he didn't want the dynasty of Nemanjic to die with Uroš V who hadn't any heirs. Because of his ancestors marriage he had Nemanjic blood. We had ten rulers from Nemanjić dynasty. Serb lands didn't fall to the Ottomans afted Uroš V. During his reign Serbian land were separated between other nobleman. In 1371. in battle on Marica, Vukašin Mrnjačević fought the Ottomans. Then in 1389. Knez Lazar Hrebeljanovic fought them on Kosovo where he died. His son Stefan Lazarević became Despot and vassal to Sultan Bayesid I. Despot Stefan died in 1427. and after him many others ruled until 1459. when Serbia fell. Bosnia fell in 1463. Herzegovina in 1481. and Montenegro in 1496. The descendent of Black George or Karađorđe Petrović were called Karađorđević.
There was actually a third Serbian dynasty in the medival era. After the crusade of Varna Serbia became fully independent as a despotate, with despot Djuradj of the Brankovic dynasty. He ruled until his death in 1456 when his son Stefan became despot until 1459 when the despotate got conquered by the Ottomans. It's a short dynast but still should be mentioned.
Independent?! History don't think so!! Wiki - Crusade of Varna, in the section ''background'', this is the first thing it says ''In 1428, while the Ottoman Empire was fighting a war with the Republic of Venice and the Kingdom of Hungary they achieved a temporary peace by establishing the Serbian Despotate as a buffer state''. That Despotate you talk about, didn't even have a name. Moravian Serbia is a name used in historiography for that Despotate meaning, at a time it existed, it wasn't called Serbia or Moravian Serbia. Serbian Despotate only existed to serve its purpose as Djuradj was a vasal to both Hungary and Ottomans. But yes, Djuradj was the last ruler of Serbian Monarchy.
I felt the video was rushed at the beginning skipping over almost every ruler to focus more time on modern history. I like learning new things about lesser known monarchies from the past but not even saying the names of the monarchs on the chart I feel is laziness.
I'm watching this cause my great-grandma is full blooded Croatian even though she was born in Pennsylvania her parents are both from Croatia, and I think their great-grandparents are from Yugoslavia
Why are these so addictive 🤔 Please do the old Kings of Britain, starting pre-anglo saxon with Wales/Prydain, Scotland/Picts and even Ireland! So many interesting links to each other and they're all traceable to as far back as the fall of Rome. If a poster came out too, I know so many patriotic welshies that'd pre order them 😅
Would you be kind enough and cite the source/s from which you concluded that the most of Croatia was mainly orthodox? Because I can assure you, that is completely false information.. :-)
Nije rekao da je bilo više pravoslavaca. Rekao je da je struktura u Hrvatskoj bila pomešana do velike šizme ali da se katoličanstvo ustanovilo kao dominantna religija za vreme Krešimira Velikog.
No it isn't the Byzantine empire always had plenty of influence on the Balkan nations and many of those nations wanted to imitate Byzantium. What he said was true
@@remove_marko There was never any conversion of Croatia to Catholicism ever, because it has been following Roman rite since the begging of Christianzation of the country, that is, surely since early 9th century. Few centuries later, like Croatia, Serbia was also Catholic but converted, that is main families/dynasties, Nemanjic/Vojislavljevic in the late 12th and begging of 13th century, who both were Catholic but converted to Orthodox because of influence that you are mentiong, which never happened in Croatia. Croatian-Byzantium relations were mostely in military and more rare in diplomatic sense but never in cultrological like it was in Serbia. There are also lot of further major and ridiculous mistakes in the video which is surprising to me because I am not used to see that many mistakes by this, until now, fairly historically accurate channel. So sad.. :-)
@@oumuamua12 pointless to speak bcs Serbs already see this as only truth while they dont know their own history - Nemanjic was catholic. To Serbs it is just important that Serbs are somewhere somehow great - modern day nationalism. Word Serbs didnt exist in middle ages. And to Croats is important not to be connected to modern day fascists.
Just a question is there or will there be a chart of the crusader states family trees? This would be really interesting. What i meant with that are the Kingdom of Jerusalem, The Latin Empire, The Kingdom of Cyprus, County of Edessa, Principality of Tripolis and so on.
When "in the past" exactly? lol Croatia has been devoted to the Pope since their conversion from Slavic paganism,and later after the Great Schism when it remained a catholic country
@@Unknown-es8er Before serbian and croatian kingdom there was a lot of rulers of tribes, serbs have a tribes like: neretvian, vardarian, moravian and other. Before kingdom of cro, they was orthodox, and its medieval era, one nation had more rulers and dynasties who rule certain lands, like at end of serbian empire: Altomanovic, Hrebeljanovic, Balsic, Mrnjacevic, Kotromanic, Orlovic, ,,Emperor Simeon", Dragas and a lot of more...
Correction: King Alexander I Karađorđević was in no way an absolute monarch. He abolished parlament because of ethnic unrest and because the parlament (which was too comprised of different ethnicities) started going "insane," and they sometimes started literally attacking each other physically. It was the only safe way to ensure unity and stability. But some people didnt like stability, so with the help of the IMRO, Ustaše and Germany, Alexander was assassinated by a Macedonian-Bulgarian revolutionary in 1934. After that Prince Paul, the regent for Peter II came and he made many stupid decisions (like giving the croats more autonomy and more land, so the ethnic tensions rose more).
So let me get this straight, you showed Croatia's dukes but forgot to show Serbian princes before Stefan in 1217? I'd put that in too even tho they are different dynasty they're still important
He barely mentioned the Trpimirović dynasty and didnt even get to the last Croatian King, Petar Svačić. While he talked the rest of the video about Serbia.
@@jurecuk9653 You had 2 dynasties that never went past the rank of Duke (I'm not counting the Tripimirovic dynasty since it's debatable if they were really Croatian or they just ruled the parts of Croatia as there is no evidence they were in fact Croatian all we know is that they're old slavic kings same as Vlastimirovic who were possibly even brother dynasties.) Meanwhile Serbia was an Empire and a major regional power in 14th century. So I suggest YOU to read a book or two before starting a debate about a topic that you have absolutely no clue about. Good luck to you and your family.
@@Gafnner Both Trpimir and his son Muncimir gave out charters in which is written ( Muncimiro, divino munere Croatorum dux ("Muncimir, with God's help, Duke of the Croats") and "by the mercy of God, Duke of the Croats" (Dux Chroatorum iuvatus munere divino) and his realm as the "Realm of the Croats" (Regnum Chroatorum) Ili Branimir: "Branimir is titled as "Dux Croatorum", "Commes Dux Cruatorum/Crvatorum", "Dux/Ducem Slcavorum/Clavitorum", and Dominus.[2][6][7] The one from Muć has the earliest carved year (888) of any Croatian medieval epigraphic inscription.[2] The one from Šopot has the earliest carved ethnonym Hrvat (Cruat-/Crvat-) in the form which is still pronounced today which is also earliest record of a national name in the Balkans"
1:46 I don't Know where did you got this information because Croatia was largely *catholic* country First Croatian ruler to convert to christianity was duke Višesllav, and since then Croatia was in good reation with Holy See and the Pope, and was practicing Western rite Christianity, so during great schism in 1054. Croatia indentified as catholic country ,not orthodox (To be even more precise every land west of river Drina was catholic including whole of Croatia and bosnia, western Montenegro, and northern Albania. After serbs took over montenegro and Southern herzegovina they converted to orthodoxy. And even though Bosnia was still de facto catholic country there was popular religion known as Bogomilism)
Gregory of Nin the bishop in Dalmatian city of Zara was considered to be orthodox as he represented the party that fought for establishing the Church-Slavonic as liturgical language and glagolitic writing which opposed the official Latin position of papacy at the time.
Mz great great great grandfather was apparently a wealthy farmer and merchant in the Ottoman empire later south Serbia and he had 7 sons and when they all got married one of the brides was bullied by the mother and the son and the bride took their part of the wealth and moved out to where i and my family live right now. He and his wife had manz sons and thez all kept living in the same region and all of my cousins live near me and we all are in contact. While the other 6 sons moved out when their father died. They moved to montenegro croatia and bosnia. We all have the same surname (Dragojević) and are in contact thanks to finding out roots. There are about 10 families in croatia with our surname and all of them are my cousins, we're all orthodox and call ourselves Serbs. I'm still shocked i found all of this out because this channel reminded me to search more about my family.
Can you please confirm info regarding the line of Radinović - Pavlović of whom the last one Nikola Pavlović ruled the Banat of Bosnia and then later the Kingdom of Bosnia between 1450-1463 as Lord and then Ruler into the early 15th century. Yes the Ottomans arrived but for some time the Kingdom under The House of Pavlović was allowed to continue to live autonomously in what was a well functioning government they had built on barter systems etc
Contrary to your statement in the video, Croatia wasn't a largely Orthodox country. The Croats retained strong ties to the Latin West from the times they accepted Christianity. Petar Krešimir IV. isn't known for his religious reforms, but for bringing Bosnia and Slavonia back into the kingdom. Also, the map at the start is a mess. Slavonia and (partly) Syrmia were united with the Littoral Croatian Duchy and it was thereafter that Duke Tomislav was crowned. Bosnia was mostly split between Croatia and Serbia, but there were quite a few instances of Croatia entirely annexing it(up to the Drina river), for an example, during the reigns of Tomislav and Petar Krešimir IV. The small Slavic states on the Adriatic coast(Narentians, Zachlumia, Travunia and Dioclea) were distinct from both Croatia and Serbia at the time, most scholars agree that Emperor Constantine VII called them and Bosnia Serbian due to them being conquered for a certain time by the Serbs, there was no mention of their ethnicity. Some Croats claimed that they were Croatian because they were Catholic before some of them became permanently annexed into Serbia, but I would argue that they were special Slavic people that got their "current ethnicities" over the centuries through propaganda from both the Croats and Serbs. Those are just my two cents on the matter, otherwise, great chart and video as always.
Look at genetics. 40% of Croats, Serbs and today's Bosniaks have the haplogroup I2A-dinaric, which means that they have a common ancestor, the first carrier of that haplogroup. Historical circumstances have led to the emergence of different nations of the same origin.
Gregory of Nin the bishop in Dalmatian city of Zara was considered to be orthodox as he represented the party that fought for establishing the Church-Slavonic as liturgical language and glagolitic writing which opposed the official Latin position of papacy at the time.
@@jimenezablain That's false. It's true that Gregory opposed the Pope on the language of the liturgy, but he was never considered an Orthodox/Eastern Christian. It was because of his actions that the groundwork was laid for the privilege which Dalmatians and Istrians enjoyed for many centuries, namely to celebrate the Latin Rite Tridentine Mass in their own language instead of Latin.
Doesent matter anyway, Croatias royal line is dead, so no worries. We have living monarch and he has male children. Healthy, tall, good looking boys. We save them, because after this corona mess, Serbia became Kingdom again.
@@nisampametan9009 The Habsburgs are still alive and well, too. The current head of the House of Habsburg named his Ferdinand Zvonimir and even had him baptised in Zagreb. I hope that Serbia beats its corrupt politicians and reinstates the monarchy, but it's important to recognise that there are multiple royal houses of Croatia, the Habsburgs aren't Croats, but they ruled it for almost 500 years and the current Habsburgs love it very much. I wish you and your country all the best.
Serbian monarchy Fun fact, Prince Alexander , the current pretender to the Serbian throne, was born in a room in London's Cleridge's hotel in 1945. At the time, Serbia was part of Yugoslavia so for him to be born as a prince of Yugoslavia, Winston Churchill made the room that Prince Alexander was born in Yugoslavian soil for the day. Prince Alexander is an descendant of both George 1 of Greece(who was born Prince Wilhelm of Denmark who himself was a brother of Queen Alexandra of the UK ie King Charles great great grandfather and Empress Maria Feodrovna of Russia mother of the last czar of Russia) through his mother and Queen Victoria through both of his parents. Prince Alexander through his mother being a granddaughter of King George I of Greece 🇬🇷 is related to King Charles through his late father, Prince Phillip and the current King of Spain 🇪🇸 , King Felipe VI through his mother Queen Emerita Sophia who was first cousins once removed from Prince Phillip.
1. Wow what a gesture from Churchill ! It's like opening a (legal) portal :P 2. Why was P. Alexander in London? 3. Did I get the following right? George I of Greece (born Prince Wilhelm of Denmark) = Grandfather of Prince Alexander's mother & great-great-grandfather of King Charles & brother of Queen Alexandra of the UK & brother of Empress MariaFeodorovna of Russia (aka mother of the last czar of Russia) P. Alexander through both parents, descendant of Queen Victoria P. Alexander also related to King Felipe VI of Spain through mother Queen Emerita Sophia (first cousins once removed from Prince Philip)
Croats have been catholic from 6th century, from pagans they converted to catholism, like poles, Slovaks, etc, they've never been ortodox in any period of time, so author made big mistake here
Here is a fascinating fact about Peter II's name: his mom named him and his brothers each after a country. Peter was a Serbian name, Tomslaw a Croatian, and Andrew a Slovenian name follwoing the unification of Yugoslavia
There were Serbian kings before the 1217. The king of Doclea Mihajlo Vojislavljevic was a Serb who was crowned king in the year 1077. Other than that there were other Serbian houses. Most notably the house of Vlastimirovic who ruled as Princes of Rashka (another name for Serbia in the medieval times) in the 9th century, as well as the houses of Ostrivojevic and Svevladovic, who ruled before them.
in bašćanska ploča is mentioned Croatian King Zvonimir, probably there is much more, I'm not historian... the significance of bašćanska ploča is that is the first time written Croatia in Croatian language, Hrvatska. counter question, what is the oldest document/artifact where is mentioned Serbia as Srbija?
@@saff3356 ok but still no sign of a coin from that kingdom kind of strange or a manuscript or laws from that king. No burial or dates when they died. In Serbia we have many evidence. First being the golden coin from Strojimir Vlastimirović from 855 which can be found today in the museum in belgrade. I can keep on going with example of dozen churches built by Serbian King from 11,12,13 centuries and frescos of the kings and queens inside them. Example the dušans code from 1359. Emperor dušan is buried in Monastery of the Holy Archangels in prizren kosovo. Lazar hrebljanovic is buried in Ravanica monastery in cuprija. I can go all day. So tell me where are these Croatian kings buried what churces did they build is there any frescos of what they looked like?
@@dekitesla9915 you ignore the fact that we have fought for hundreds of years with ottomans. for them, catholicism was enemy religion. they burned and destroyed catholic churches and monasteries, usual places where kings were buried. catholicism wasn't protected as serbian orthodoxy which was one of allowed religion under ottomans rule. i don't know why there weren't coins from croatian kingdoms, maybe they used other means of paying or other currency like byzantium coins. you didn't answer the question when was serbia first time mentioned.
@@saff3356 To answer you first question the earliest mention of the Serbians in the Balkans is from Einhard's Royal Frankish Annals which is written in 822, when prince Ljudevit went from his seat at sisak to the Serbs, believed to have been somewhere in western Bosnia with Einhard mentioning "the Serbians, a people that is said to hold a large part of Dalmatia. Our churches got destroyed and burnt during the ottoman periods also and we had it far worse then you did. Croatia was in a "union" with kingdom of Hungary so most fighting was done by them with some small help from ye. The thing im trying to say for me there is no real evidence of any of your kings. Dates burials laws coins battles etc. Therefore I refuse to believe they existed and you Croatians are fabricating your history as you see fit to your stories.
Typical Serbian propaganda spreader, lol. They're obsessed with this type of mindset. But... it's ok, everyone caught up on this. Another fun fact: according to Serbs, Adam and Eve were the original Serbians.
Nemanja the founder of Nemanjić dynasty was also born a prince, he is descendant of Vlastimirović dynasty which rained from 7. century but probably much longer. And while Nemanjić dynasty went extant with Uroš the Weak descendants of Nemanja and Vlastimir from cadet branches continued to rule until last of Serb lands were conquered in the 16th century. Though some members still served as clergy but they died out soon or became unknown. Trough maternal line they married into Habsburg house, so the blood came back to Serbian kings that way.
Spectacular Video as always, a quick suggestion, can you do the family tree of King Arthur Of Britain’s Royal Dynasty? Cuz it’s quite an interesting piece of Mythology/Legends that I think Isn’t talked about, for example, Arthur’s dynasty was supposedly founded by the great-grandson Of Aeneas Of Troy.
@@ban1176 Montenegrins don't really have anything to do with Serbs, do they? They have completely different histories, completely different traditions and belong to different cultures.
@@formica4266 They are completely same people, have same origin and history. In Montenegro always lived Serbs and Serbs created Montenegro. That is fact that is writed, that is well known and that is writed in our blood(DNA). It was different country yeah. But because it had other ruler's not always same doesn't tell you anything, it was just other family who managed to control that land. Montenegro was never separated by ethnicity.
@@ban1176 That, of course, is not true. All people are the same and do not have the same origin or the same history. Finally, origin does not determine ethnic groups. ethnic groups are determined by history, traditions and culture. What are the common points in the history of Serbs and Montenegrins? I don't know them. As you can imagine, the facts are something else. Even DNA (not blood, not blood transmitting hereditary traits) is not the same. Of course it was another country and of course it was another age, why do you transfer modern national projects to the distant past? Medieval countries are neither ethnic nor political creations. medieval lands are the property of feudal lords and this has nothing to do with the ethnic composition of the population. Montenegrins have never considered themselves part of the Serbian ethnic space, Valtazar Bogisic's poll should be consulted. In fact, they despised him deeply.
Croatian nationalists such as Mladen Lorkovic and Kerubin Segvic considered Croatian name to be derived from a non-Slavic folk by origin. Historian Osman Karatay states that Croatians migrated to Europe as a Turkic ruling class mixed with a native Slavs in South-East Europe.
@@krstohrvat6981 Did those Croat kings build castles or monasteries, did they write charters made trade contracts, had stamp rings etc. Has anything of that survived today to testify about their existance.
Watch Serbia & Croatia Compared by Mr. Beat:
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Just one thing.The Petrović-Njegoš dynasty is also Serbian.
Romanian monarchs family tree, please! I love the chart posted on 1 July 2020, but not is historycal, is alternative. Please, for my country and the dead King Michael!
You should do the Nehru-Ghandi family of India
The first Serbian king was actually king Mihailo Voisavljević he became king in 1077
@@temistogen kako Njegoš može biti srbin 🤔
One of these days I imagine there being a giant mural somewhere like an art museum or something that connects ALL of your monarch charts.
@Heberth Ryan Yes, but it would be pretty cool to see! :)
Maybe it's his secret project he's been working on
And then everyone can finally know how much of a bush and bowl of spaghetti the Habsburg and Ptolemy family trees actually are! lol
That would be a great idea, but I don’t know if Asia or Europe ever intermarried.
@Rusty Shackelford САМО НА ЗАПАДУ.
I spend most of Jack's videos now just waiting to hear him pronounce names and nail it. Being an Englishman, and Cumbrian at that, I would butcher these names!
He was really good, until the Black George. I was so used to him being good at pronouncing names that I had to stop a video for a second. 😂
You skipped the Vlastimirović dynasty from Serbia which reigned from 7th century.
He said he only went from the time when it became a kingdom. Serbia wasn't a kingdom under vlastimirovic rule.
@@Aboleo80 Serbia wasn't, but Duklja was kingdom. About 50 years after Croatia
@@look7236 Duklja is Montenegro...
@@markocroatia7630 hahhahahhahhahahah
Ujko gubis se
@@markocroatia7630 oces li mi ti reci kroatu, meni iz Crne Gore ???
Peter I was a badass who fought with the French Foreign Legion, fought in the Franco Prussian war, escaped from the Prussians and in the Herzegovina uprising, and was involved in the Paris commune. He translated "On liberty" to Serbian.
Sta je Herzegovina uprising what is that
@@benny3637 Nevesinjska puska
Yevta ohhh thank you for translation
@@996vladanije nego hercegovacki ustanak
I know the chart is only Kings, but a look at early medieval (ie. pre-Nemanjić) Serbian dynastic gymnastics would be interesting (and also require a chart to understand).
A deeper look at Montenegro, Bosnia (with the evolution from a Banate to a Kingdom) and (even though it was covered quickly here) a bit of a deeper look at Croatia would also be interesting.
Matt forgot the kingdom of Duklja. Milo Đukanović disliked this video.
What you wrote has no sence whatsoever...gymnast? What drugs do you use?
@@dusanradin5868 де научи енглески па онда коментариши, исправно је написао, а то што само ти не разумеш не значи да је он умоболан.
@SM ZYX Not in a particularly centralized form, nor as a Kingdom (well, a few rulers claimed the title of king, but they tended to be forcibly demoted back to princes by the Byzanines), but a Serbian Principality containing Raška, Travunija and (most likely) Duklja was established around the early 780s AD by Višeslav, some 416 years before the elevation to a kingdom under Stefan Nemanja.
@SM ZYX No. The Dacians are a much older group and lived primarily in and around modern Romania (so Romania, Northern Bulgaria, Moldova, and parts of Hungary), they were never, to my knowledge, present on the Adriatic and would not really have been present at the point when Travunja existed. Maybe you're thinking of a different state with a similar name?
Stefan as a name was more of a dynastic tradition or title than an every day personal name
there werent any kings until 13th century but only dukes
Sr Stephen The Archdeacon is the protected of the Nemanjić dinasty. That is why every ruler from this dinasty was named Stefan.
So who ruled over them? If they were independent dukes, then they were kings in all but name.@@vherox3826
Is it just me, or is Jack's voice deeper than usual?
Yeah...I had to check the poster of the vid to check if I was watching a different channel but it's Useful Charts. He sounded different on this vid lol
@@alistairt7544 that's because this video is presented by Jack Rackam, not the owner of UsefulCharts....
@@alistairt7544 UsefulCharts is Matt Baker, this is Jack Rackam
My voice on this channel tends to be more relaxed, but it could also be me messing with compression and EQ 😄
@@GreatValueOprah Oh my goodness that explains it. Thank you for clarifying 😅
I'm sorry to point out to an error. Croatia was never orthodox. Ever since the days of Duke Branimir - which predates, obviously, king Tomislav Croats were loyal to pope. Quote: During the solemn divine service in St. Peter's church in Rome in 879, Pope John VIII gave his blessing to the duke and the whole Croatian people, about which he informed Branimir in his letters. The Pope brought the very decision on 21 May 879, and confirmed it in his letter from 7 June 879.This was the first time that the Croatian state was officially recognized.
Source of quote, please.
@KriptoCroat Ironija je da smo rodjena braca koja bi se radije poklali u ime latina, grka i muhamedanaca umesto da zajedno budu gospodari svoje kuce.
@@milenasovic ajde uzmi maramicu jer ti cure sline i bale u redu?
@KriptoCroat Niti jedno niti drugo nije originalno naše, već nametnuto sa strane, iz Rima ili Carigrada. Ono što je bilo naše, možeš još negdje naći u toponimima planinskih masiva Balkana.
In the 8th century, the pope did not have infallibility.
Really Awesome that you covered this topic, it is actually a pretty interesting history! Greetings from a Croat :D
@Rusty Shackleford I hope you'll come visit and enjoy Croatia but don't forget there's plenty of nice places outside of the classic tourist "hotspots"
lol...what is interesting...from 1:10-2:30 narator speak about Croats without any FACTS...can anyone just put here one FACT about just one croat king....JUST ONE CROAT KING?!?!
Croats dont have kings...if you had, what is the problem to put here JUST ONE FACT ABOUT ONLY ONE KING...do you have grave of just one king? do you have flags, laws, state seals of just one king or kingdom, state?!?!
from 2:30 till the end of clip...narator speak about Serbs...and still he didnt speak about Serbian dinasty before Nemanjic dinasty...wtf...
why didnt he speak about VINCA CULTURE and 5.000-7.000 years ago on this lands...and look VINCA LETTERS and look SERBIAN CIRYLIC LETTER..22 same symbols....
@@СЕРБОНА first of all, you should know that cultures like Vinča (modern-day Serbia) and Vučedol (modern-day Croatia) were very advanced cultures for their time but they were original european cultures with no royal heritage and without any connection to today's Slavs therefore they are out of this video. Second of all, speaking of facts, the letter of pope John X to 1st Croatian king Tomislav clearly states "rex Croatorum = king of the Croats", then there are the Crown jewels sent to king Stjepan Držislav by the emperor from Constantinopole himself for Stjepan's help in the war against Bulgarians. Then there are numerous Venetian sources and religious documents calling our rulers Kings. Concerning graves though, no there aren't any found graves but then again, half of the Roman emperors don't have found graves. Though, there is the grave of king Mihajlo Krešimir's wife queen Helen (Jelena) in Zadar. Croatian history has always been clearly stated in all history books till after 1991 because of war-nationalism. You Serbs also had proud and long history so often bond together with ours. King Tomislav of Croatia let the Serbs in Bosnia and Serbian emperor Dušan let Croats in Dubrovnik. We all have long and interesting histories, all whole European and world countries. I love Serbians as people quite much, shame that everywhere in the world there are nationalist and ignorant people like you who annule basic facts just to feel more powerful in your little heads and to create conflict.
@@grdicf04...tell me if there is no heritage from VINCA culture...Serbian letter is АЗБУКА ( ЋИРИЛИЦА ) and from our 30 letters 22 is the same as the VINCA letter...how you call that?!?!?
We Serbs have almost the same rituals like Vinca culture had and other stuff...
But as l see...you like to speak without any FACTS...
Is it hard too look Serbian letter and Vinca letter...you can find out yourself
@@grdicf04...also Nemanjic dinasty is not our firs dinasty and kings as Serbs...wtf those people speak about...how some idiots alow themselfs to speak about history of some people without any knowledge background?!?!?
Serbs have few dinasties before Nemanjic dinasty and some other kings also...wtf...
This chanel is idiotic for sure...they speak without any background history...
Have you ever considered doing a video on the Spanish monarchy if they had followed the Carlist line? Similar to your Jacobite pretenders chart.
That would be so interesting. Great idea!
But didn’t the Carlist line die off in the early 20th century because there were no more male heirs so the title went to the king of Spain anyway?
@@Hudpix16 Once the male line died out it shifted to multiple branches but by that time Carlist's as a political force in Spain was waning after Franco's regime came to power.
Mihajlo Vojislavljevic was the first Serbian king. He was crowned by Pope Gregory VII in 1077. There is well known material evidence that his son was a king as well, having inherited his father's crown. Therefore, this was not a single generation historical fluke. It would have been an amazing side topic for this video to get into how Balkan nations and cultures keep reemerging as distinct cultural, social, political and most importantly territorial units that no empire has ever managed to extinguish. While the Balkans are far from a graveyard of empires the likes of Afghanistan, their defiance is interesting in their own right as their diplomatic tactics are those of "mercenary" states.
Montenegrin*
@@SGT51😂
I see Montenegro as Serbian state on a chart. Milo Đukanović disliked this video.
@SM ZYX he is not talking about the Serb state, but about Serb dynasties
@@makomaro im from montenegro and me and my family still considers us serbs! milo is trying to get all of the other people who call them selfes serbs to assimilate to being montenegrin in montenegro! we need to stop him
If you check wikipedia's page on modern Serbian states,you'll see today's Montenegro on that list,along side Serbia,Republic of Srpska and North Macedonia for some strange reason...
@@Weeboslav the reason is not strange, Macedonia as a nation, macedonians as people and macedonian as a language was first time mentioned in 1943 during the second communist AVNOJ meeting.
Before that ,everybody (except Bulgaria) knew that the territory of North Macedonia was Serb with Serb people being the majority (type first balkan war)
@@Weeboslav Its not a strange reason. The reason is that anybody can edit wikipedia and write down whatever they want. Me, you, your grandmother, anybody.
A mistake at Kresimir part. Croatia was already Catholic before him. He just made it offical.
Kryill and Method left the chat...
Several (about 11) European monarchies ended following the two world wars (as did Croatia and Yugoslavia). Others (France, Portugal and Greece) ended between 1870 and 1973. I think it would be interesting to see who would rule these kingdoms today. I often wonder if the monarchies that survive have been helped or hurt by the practice of marrying commoners, and would find it interesting to know what the pool of spousal candidates would be if other monarchies had survived.
You left out a lot about Croatia. Like how the wife of Stephen I was Hicela Orseolo the daughter of the venetian doge, which would explain why their son Peter Krešimir IV (Peter being the name he took when he was crowned) leaned more towards Rome, or how Svetoslav, also known as Suronja (meaning: cold/dark) was dethroned by his brothers Krešimir III and Gojslav and was expelled to Venice only for his grandson Zvonimir to retake the throne after the death of Krešimir IV who had no male heir. There was also queen Jelena, the wife of Michael Krešimir II who ruled shortly as a regent after her husbands death, since their son Držislav was too young. There's a lot more than that to Croatia but I guess you did say you were gonna take just a quick look. Other than that you did a good job on Serbia and I like the chart.
I'm sure he did but there is about 5 century of Serbia before Nemanjici, but I get it that there are a lot more countries that he needs to do so he doesn't have time for us.
I like how he can pronounce the names correctly
Karađorđević dynasty still exists....
Yes it does. What could you tell about them today?
Could you do a Bulgarian monarchs family tree? That would be great to see it in such details, especially since a few Serbian princesses married into it.
Yeah I'd like to see this too, that's the only country left on this chart Matt hasn't covered yet I'm really hoping for him to do it.
Can you cover the Bulgarian monarchies family tree?
"He said the only way to bring change was to shoot him, and, well, that's what happened" 🤣🤣🤣
Crazy Balkan
@@srb.bln36 France, Marseilles.
1:46 Croatia was literally never largely an orthodox nation by religion, not even at a single point in it's history.
I even tried to look it up, so that I wouldn't make a fool out of myself, and I literally found absolutely nothing regarding the eastern orthodox religion in Croatia during the Great Schism. The predecessor of Petar Kresimir, Stephen I of Croatia, is also considered to be a Catholic monarch. I belive that your sources were wrong about that.
Mislim da je ovo otvoreno za interpretaciju. On priča o periodu pre podele hrišćanstva i verovatno je mislio da je hrvatska bila pod većim uticajem Vizantije.
@LineOfCars I 'remamber' that the argument about long beards on medieval bishops and popes being completely irrelevant, since all popes and bishops had beards, some of them even long beards, in the medieval era.
I also "remamber" that Croatia was the first nation to hold liturgy in its native language in Europe with an official acceptance of the pope himself, which is probably the most catholic thing a nation can possibly do.
They were till the churches divided... the west did not had huge power until they divided in late 11 century after that they influenced more and more.. so if u wanna find evidence find from 700 or 800 till 1100..
@@borissimeonov0 Not according to wikipedia
@@lorenzovonmatterhorn7402 I was also referring to that certain time span in the medieval ages, from 700 until the 1100, since those were the times christianity with western influence came to power in Croatia.
Here are a couple of quotes from Wikipedia, which are backed by medieval sources:
"They came in touch with the Christian natives and started to slowly accept Christianity. Byzantine and Frankish missionaries and Benedictines who were bringing Western cultural influences had a significant role in the christening of Croats."
"Croats had their first contact with the Holy See in year 641 when the papal envoy Abbot Martin came to them in order to redeem Christian captives and the bones of the martyrs that Croats were keeping. There is little information about the "Baptism of the Croats", but it is known that it was peacefully and freely accepted, and that it took place between the 7th and the 9th century."
"Byzantine emperor Constantine Porphyrogenitus wrote in his book De Administrando Imperio that the Byzantine Emperor Heraclius, during whose reign Croats came to the land between Drava river and the Adriatic Sea (present-day Croatia), "brought priests from Rome who he made into archbishop, bishop, priests and deacons, which then baptized Croats.""
"By the 9th century, Croats have already been fully included in a large European Christian community. Croatian rulers Mislav (around 839), Trpimir I (852) and many others were building churches and monasteries. In 879, Croatian duke Branimir wrote a letter to Pope John VIII in which he promised him loyalty and obedience. Pope John VIII replied with a letter on 7 June 879, in which he wrote that he celebrated a Mass at the tomb of St Peter on which he invoked God's blessing on Branimir and his people."
etc.
You get my point...
I half expected these comments to be full of Serbian Nationalists, wasn't wrong
They are not nationalists but monarchists and conservatives. It's good to make distinction between these 2 notions.
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Haha kralju
I haven't see one, I mostly see people talking about dynasties and how Croatia wasn't Orthodox
1:00 Actually it was Red Croatia, I don't know when but I know that it was.
@@HomoUniverzalis yes
Red Croatia didnt exist, only source that mentions it is pop Dukljanin, his sources are debatable and they dont go along with other historical sources
Lumping Croats and Serbs together is like lumping Russians and Ukrainians together or Czechs with Slovaks.
First Serbian king was Mihailo Vojislavljević (1050-1081),
also you could stretch this tree to Serbian Vlastimirovic dynasty (631-960)
The later part of the Vlastimirovic dynasty were good friends with King Tomislav.
@@daz7122 was not, they is orthodox
@@petarv.7476 King Tomislav is your king too if your an Orthodox from Croatia.
@@daz7122 he never been our king how I know history
Croatians, WHERE NOT i repeat WHERE NOT a largely “orthodox” nation literally ever thats kinda the whole point and the main divide between croatia and serbia.
They were tho.
LoLić they literally weren’t tho.
Da li razumes da je katoličanstvo nastalo 1054 godine
@@serbianeagle8523 Bizantinac, ne izvrci povijest...Hrvati su sa Papom bili i prije i poslije raskola crkve...ortodoksni nisu bili APSOLUTNO NIKAD.
@@serbianeagle8523 Pa i pravoslavlje je nastalo 1054. Crkvenim raskolom.Prije tog događaja je postojalo samo kršćanstvo.Tako da ne shvaćam što želiš reći i koja je poanta tvog komentara.
Actually, there was one final heir to the House of Obrenović, an illegitimate child of King Milan I, George Obrenović who did claim the throne until his death in 1925, having previously fell into obscurity. However, according to a relatively obscure article published in 2003 by Novosti AD, George had a grandson by the name of Panta (Panka) Obrenović (apparently also known as Mark Eme) who served as chairman of “Fund Obrenović” until his death in 2002. Besides this potential claim, some descendants of the half-brother of Prince Miloš Obrenović I of Serbia, Jakov Obrenović also claim the throne, though little is known of this claim. Should Alexander I’s Government survived his reign, there was an agreement that if his marriage to Draga Mašin produce no children, the Serbian throne would pass to Prince Mirko of Montenegro, Grand Duke of Grahovo, whose son actually claimed the throne of Montenegro for a very long time, meaning we could have seen the Petrović-Njegoš dynasty on the Serbian Throne had both monarchies survived.
Who would be King of the United States in the year 2020 if the Prussian Scheme had been a success?
Hi! I'm really glad that you made a vidio about our, Serbian, royal family, but you got a few things wrong. Stefan I Nemanjic was our first King but the Nemanjic dynasty didn't start with him. It started with his father Stefan Nemanja who was the Grand prince (srb. Велики жупан, Veliki župan). After King Stefan I Nemanjic the throne went to his son Radoslav, then Vladislav and the to their brother Uroš I, then the king was Dragutin and after him his brother Stefan Uroš II Milutin. After King Milutin his son Stefan Uroš III Decanski became King, then his son Stefan Uroš IV Dušan or Dušan the Mighty who became the first Emperor or Tsar (srb. Цар, Car). The last ruler from the Nemanjic dynasty was Car Stefan Uroš V or Uroš the weak. The family name Stefan was then taken by Tvrtko I Kotromanić who was crowned in monastery Mileševa and he became King of Serbs and Bosnia. He did thet because he didn't want the dynasty of Nemanjic to die with Uroš V who hadn't any heirs. Because of his ancestors marriage he had Nemanjic blood. We had ten rulers from Nemanjić dynasty. Serb lands didn't fall to the Ottomans afted Uroš V. During his reign Serbian land were separated between other nobleman. In 1371. in battle on Marica, Vukašin Mrnjačević fought the Ottomans. Then in 1389. Knez Lazar Hrebeljanovic fought them on Kosovo where he died. His son Stefan Lazarević became Despot and vassal to Sultan Bayesid I. Despot Stefan died in 1427. and after him many others ruled until 1459. when Serbia fell. Bosnia fell in 1463. Herzegovina in 1481. and Montenegro in 1496. The descendent of Black George or Karađorđe Petrović were called Karađorđević.
There was actually a third Serbian dynasty in the medival era. After the crusade of Varna Serbia became fully independent as a despotate, with despot Djuradj of the Brankovic dynasty. He ruled until his death in 1456 when his son Stefan became despot until 1459 when the despotate got conquered by the Ottomans. It's a short dynast but still should be mentioned.
Independent?! History don't think so!!
Wiki - Crusade of Varna, in the section ''background'', this is the first thing it says ''In 1428, while the Ottoman Empire was fighting a war with the Republic of Venice and the Kingdom of Hungary they achieved a temporary peace by establishing the Serbian Despotate as a buffer state''. That Despotate you talk about, didn't even have a name. Moravian Serbia is a name used in historiography for that Despotate meaning, at a time it existed, it wasn't called Serbia or Moravian Serbia. Serbian Despotate only existed to serve its purpose as Djuradj was a vasal to both Hungary and Ottomans.
But yes, Djuradj was the last ruler of Serbian Monarchy.
I felt the video was rushed at the beginning skipping over almost every ruler to focus more time on modern history. I like learning new things about lesser known monarchies from the past but not even saying the names of the monarchs on the chart I feel is laziness.
Not only it is rushed, it contains dubious (read false) information as well. All in all one of the worst videos made by Useful Charts so far.
This chart was off the charts. For more lame humor, come on over to my channel. It was magnificent to collaborate with you again.
I'm watching this cause my great-grandma is full blooded Croatian even though she was born in Pennsylvania her parents are both from Croatia, and I think their great-grandparents are from Yugoslavia
Their great grandparents are from the austo-hungarian empire
Very best content for a chart like this. Amazing work I have never seen in my life. Good and Excellent work :)
Why are these so addictive 🤔
Please do the old Kings of Britain, starting pre-anglo saxon with Wales/Prydain, Scotland/Picts and even Ireland! So many interesting links to each other and they're all traceable to as far back as the fall of Rome.
If a poster came out too, I know so many patriotic welshies that'd pre order them 😅
Maybe not. Many kings in pre-Anglo-Saxon Britain are legendary figures.
I CLICKED SO FAST ,, LOVE THIS CHANNEL WORK
Would you be kind enough and cite the source/s from which you concluded that the most of Croatia was mainly orthodox? Because I can assure you, that is completely false information.. :-)
Yes, that was a mistake.
Nije rekao da je bilo više pravoslavaca. Rekao je da je struktura u Hrvatskoj bila pomešana do velike šizme ali da se katoličanstvo ustanovilo kao dominantna religija za vreme Krešimira Velikog.
No it isn't the Byzantine empire always had plenty of influence on the Balkan nations and many of those nations wanted to imitate Byzantium. What he said was true
@@remove_marko There was never any conversion of Croatia to Catholicism ever, because it has been following Roman rite since the begging of Christianzation of the country, that is, surely since early 9th century.
Few centuries later, like Croatia, Serbia was also Catholic but converted, that is main families/dynasties, Nemanjic/Vojislavljevic in the late 12th and begging of 13th century, who both were Catholic but converted to Orthodox because of influence that you are mentiong, which never happened in Croatia.
Croatian-Byzantium relations were mostely in military and more rare in diplomatic sense but never in cultrological like it was in Serbia.
There are also lot of further major and ridiculous mistakes in the video which is surprising to me because I am not used to see that many mistakes by this, until now, fairly historically accurate channel. So sad.. :-)
@@oumuamua12 pointless to speak bcs Serbs already see this as only truth while they dont know their own history - Nemanjic was catholic. To Serbs it is just important that Serbs are somewhere somehow great - modern day nationalism. Word Serbs didnt exist in middle ages. And to Croats is important not to be connected to modern day fascists.
May I ask how you created your own family tree because I’m really interested.
He explained it in a video. I think its called How i make my family tree or smth like that
Just a question is there or will there be a chart of the crusader states family trees? This would be really interesting. What i meant with that are the Kingdom of Jerusalem, The Latin Empire, The Kingdom of Cyprus, County of Edessa, Principality of Tripolis and so on.
HALF of Croatian family tree is missing.. Bravo 👏🏻
I like how there is a lot of information about Croatian kings
1:47 Croatia was a largely orthodox nation?
Lol since when?
When "in the past" exactly? lol
Croatia has been devoted to the Pope since their conversion from Slavic paganism,and later after the Great Schism when it remained a catholic country
@@Unknown-es8er to the pope? What about God?
And to the God of course
@@Unknown-es8er well considering the amount of serbs you converted.
@@Unknown-es8er Before serbian and croatian kingdom there was a lot of rulers of tribes, serbs have a tribes like: neretvian, vardarian, moravian and other. Before kingdom of cro, they was orthodox, and its medieval era, one nation had more rulers and dynasties who rule certain lands, like at end of serbian empire: Altomanovic, Hrebeljanovic, Balsic, Mrnjacevic, Kotromanic, Orlovic, ,,Emperor Simeon", Dragas and a lot of more...
I always look forward to Friday as I love your videos!
I'm hoping to actually look at you speed-making these charts.
Am I the only one?
This is one of those ; I'm here for the comments videos ! Ty 😃!
Thank you for so graciously including kosovo as part of Serbia here, we really appreciate it :) also wonderful chart
Correction: King Alexander I Karađorđević was in no way an absolute monarch. He abolished parlament because of ethnic unrest and because the parlament (which was too comprised of different ethnicities) started going "insane," and they sometimes started literally attacking each other physically. It was the only safe way to ensure unity and stability. But some people didnt like stability, so with the help of the IMRO, Ustaše and Germany, Alexander was assassinated by a Macedonian-Bulgarian revolutionary in 1934. After that Prince Paul, the regent for Peter II came and he made many stupid decisions (like giving the croats more autonomy and more land, so the ethnic tensions rose more).
You made a misstake, Uroš did not fight Bella IV in the begining but closser to the end of his rain.
So let me get this straight, you showed Croatia's dukes but forgot to show Serbian princes before Stefan in 1217? I'd put that in too even tho they are different dynasty they're still important
He barely mentioned the Trpimirović dynasty and didnt even get to the last Croatian King, Petar Svačić. While he talked the rest of the video about Serbia.
@@edoman6933 he did show your entire history idk wtf u on about
@@Gafnner i suggest you read a book or two, it wont hurt you. Even wikipedia is fine.
@@jurecuk9653 You had 2 dynasties that never went past the rank of Duke (I'm not counting the Tripimirovic dynasty since it's debatable if they were really Croatian or they just ruled the parts of Croatia as there is no evidence they were in fact Croatian all we know is that they're old slavic kings same as Vlastimirovic who were possibly even brother dynasties.) Meanwhile Serbia was an Empire and a major regional power in 14th century. So I suggest YOU to read a book or two before starting a debate about a topic that you have absolutely no clue about. Good luck to you and your family.
@@Gafnner
Both Trpimir and his son Muncimir gave out charters in which is written
( Muncimiro, divino munere Croatorum dux ("Muncimir, with God's help, Duke of the Croats")
and
"by the mercy of God, Duke of the Croats" (Dux Chroatorum iuvatus munere divino) and his realm as the "Realm of the Croats" (Regnum Chroatorum)
Ili Branimir:
"Branimir is titled as "Dux Croatorum", "Commes Dux Cruatorum/Crvatorum", "Dux/Ducem Slcavorum/Clavitorum", and Dominus.[2][6][7] The one from Muć has the earliest carved year (888) of any Croatian medieval epigraphic inscription.[2] The one from Šopot has the earliest carved ethnonym Hrvat (Cruat-/Crvat-) in the form which is still pronounced today which is also earliest record of a national name in the Balkans"
There were rulers and kings before Nemanjic
Serb myth
@@domovinivjeran8670 не сер сер
Yes but here are included only parts when Serbia was a kingdom
@@VuleProductions And when exactly Croatia was a Kingdom?
@@icxcnikasrb When did i freaking mention Croatia?
1:46 I don't Know where did you got this information because Croatia was largely *catholic* country
First Croatian ruler to convert to christianity was duke Višesllav, and since then Croatia was in good reation with Holy See and the Pope, and was practicing Western rite Christianity, so during great schism in 1054. Croatia indentified as catholic country ,not orthodox
(To be even more precise every land west of river Drina was catholic including whole of Croatia and bosnia, western Montenegro, and northern Albania.
After serbs took over montenegro and Southern herzegovina they converted to orthodoxy.
And even though Bosnia was still de facto catholic country there was popular religion known as Bogomilism)
Gregory of Nin the bishop in Dalmatian city of Zara was considered to be orthodox as he represented the party that fought for establishing the Church-Slavonic as liturgical language and glagolitic writing which opposed the official Latin position of papacy at the time.
@@jimenezablain 🚜
Where's the "Croatian part" ?
Cheers🥂
@Tesla-Effect Like Dobrica Cosic?
@@daz7122 is a poet not a historian, you must be jovans deretić desciple
@@rexgamer8201 Jovan should've got into stand up comedy like his buddy Cosic same goes for most serbs.
Mz great great great grandfather was apparently a wealthy farmer and merchant in the Ottoman empire later south Serbia and he had 7 sons and when they all got married one of the brides was bullied by the mother and the son and the bride took their part of the wealth and moved out to where i and my family live right now. He and his wife had manz sons and thez all kept living in the same region and all of my cousins live near me and we all are in contact. While the other 6 sons moved out when their father died. They moved to montenegro croatia and bosnia. We all have the same surname (Dragojević) and are in contact thanks to finding out roots. There are about 10 families in croatia with our surname and all of them are my cousins, we're all orthodox and call ourselves Serbs. I'm still shocked i found all of this out because this channel reminded me to search more about my family.
I love watching people cry about croatians monarchs
You say Krešimir the IV. converted Croatia from orthodox to catholicism 😂😂 Where did you find that fact? On the History Channel after midnight?
Pls do a Family Tree of the Netflix Series “Dark”
Who would be the English monarch if England had absolute primogeniture from the very start?
I was already half-scared of the angry Serbia vs. Croatia war in the comments, but the video is sticking to historical facts. Great job as always. :)
Only one thing was wrong and that is the fact that Croatia was never orthodox
Can you please confirm info regarding the line of Radinović - Pavlović of whom the last one Nikola Pavlović ruled the Banat of Bosnia and then later the Kingdom of Bosnia between 1450-1463 as Lord and then Ruler into the early 15th century. Yes the Ottomans arrived but for some time the Kingdom under The House of Pavlović was allowed to continue to live autonomously in what was a well functioning government they had built on barter systems etc
I am stuck in the garden, my family haven't realised I'm here yet, my carrot disguise is too convincing
Cool
Good to know. Anything on our Bulgarian kingdom?
Contrary to your statement in the video, Croatia wasn't a largely Orthodox country. The Croats retained strong ties to the Latin West from the times they accepted Christianity. Petar Krešimir IV. isn't known for his religious reforms, but for bringing Bosnia and Slavonia back into the kingdom. Also, the map at the start is a mess. Slavonia and (partly) Syrmia were united with the Littoral Croatian Duchy and it was thereafter that Duke Tomislav was crowned. Bosnia was mostly split between Croatia and Serbia, but there were quite a few instances of Croatia entirely annexing it(up to the Drina river), for an example, during the reigns of Tomislav and Petar Krešimir IV. The small Slavic states on the Adriatic coast(Narentians, Zachlumia, Travunia and Dioclea) were distinct from both Croatia and Serbia at the time, most scholars agree that Emperor Constantine VII called them and Bosnia Serbian due to them being conquered for a certain time by the Serbs, there was no mention of their ethnicity. Some Croats claimed that they were Croatian because they were Catholic before some of them became permanently annexed into Serbia, but I would argue that they were special Slavic people that got their "current ethnicities" over the centuries through propaganda from both the Croats and Serbs. Those are just my two cents on the matter, otherwise, great chart and video as always.
Look at genetics. 40% of Croats, Serbs and today's Bosniaks have the haplogroup I2A-dinaric, which means that they have a common ancestor, the first carrier of that haplogroup. Historical circumstances have led to the emergence of different nations of the same origin.
Gregory of Nin the bishop in Dalmatian city of Zara was considered to be orthodox as he represented the party that fought for establishing the Church-Slavonic as liturgical language and glagolitic writing which opposed the official Latin position of papacy at the time.
@@jimenezablain That's false. It's true that Gregory opposed the Pope on the language of the liturgy, but he was never considered an Orthodox/Eastern Christian. It was because of his actions that the groundwork was laid for the privilege which Dalmatians and Istrians enjoyed for many centuries, namely to celebrate the Latin Rite Tridentine Mass in their own language instead of Latin.
Doesent matter anyway, Croatias royal line is dead, so no worries. We have living monarch and he has male children. Healthy, tall, good looking boys. We save them, because after this corona mess, Serbia became Kingdom again.
@@nisampametan9009 The Habsburgs are still alive and well, too. The current head of the House of Habsburg named his Ferdinand Zvonimir and even had him baptised in Zagreb. I hope that Serbia beats its corrupt politicians and reinstates the monarchy, but it's important to recognise that there are multiple royal houses of Croatia, the Habsburgs aren't Croats, but they ruled it for almost 500 years and the current Habsburgs love it very much. I wish you and your country all the best.
What would it be if UsefulCharts make a family tree of Netflix's Dark. 😆
Love your work as always💕
Well the only difference between those is that Serbian Monarchs acctualy existed...
Did Zaharija of Serbia exist? if so there is your answer.
No answer on Knez Srba Zaharija Pribislavljević?
lol there is nos serbians back then only horvats and rascians
I'd rather listen to actual historians than to a Serbian propagandist.
Serbian monarchy Fun fact, Prince Alexander , the current pretender to the Serbian throne, was born in a room in London's Cleridge's hotel in 1945. At the time, Serbia was part of Yugoslavia so for him to be born as a prince of Yugoslavia, Winston Churchill made the room that Prince Alexander was born in Yugoslavian soil for the day. Prince Alexander is an descendant of both George 1 of Greece(who was born Prince Wilhelm of Denmark who himself was a brother of Queen Alexandra of the UK ie King Charles great great grandfather and Empress Maria Feodrovna of Russia mother of the last czar of Russia) through his mother and Queen Victoria through both of his parents. Prince Alexander through his mother being a granddaughter of King George I of Greece 🇬🇷 is related to King Charles through his late father, Prince Phillip and the current King of Spain 🇪🇸 , King Felipe VI through his mother Queen Emerita Sophia who was first cousins once removed from Prince Phillip.
1. Wow what a gesture from Churchill ! It's like opening a (legal) portal :P
2. Why was P. Alexander in London?
3. Did I get the following right?
George I of Greece (born Prince Wilhelm of Denmark)
= Grandfather of Prince Alexander's mother
& great-great-grandfather of King Charles
& brother of Queen Alexandra of the UK
& brother of Empress MariaFeodorovna of Russia (aka mother of the last czar of Russia)
P. Alexander through both parents, descendant of Queen Victoria
P. Alexander also related to King Felipe VI of Spain through mother Queen Emerita Sophia (first cousins once removed from Prince Philip)
@@katr2773 Yes Prince Alexander was born in London and all of the other information is correct.
Croats have been catholic from 6th century, from pagans they converted to catholism, like poles, Slovaks, etc, they've never been ortodox in any period of time, so author made big mistake here
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Very interesting and good job👍
When will you make a video of the Catalan Dynasty?
Thank you!
You could have at least mentioned Serbian despotate and battle of Kosovo in 1389, besides Serbia fell only in 1459 not in 1371.
Here is a fascinating fact about Peter II's name: his mom named him and his brothers each after a country. Peter was a Serbian name, Tomslaw a Croatian, and Andrew a Slovenian name follwoing the unification of Yugoslavia
1:49 Croatia orthodox? Man, your credibility went down really badly with that statement.
Greetings from Beograd
I would like to see Luxembourg royal family tree
I think this will likely not be the case because this channel focuses mostly on royal families and luxembourg is not a kingdom but a duchy.
@@phannysanny2460 but it still has a royal family
@@CitrusyGuy its not royal because its a duke. Its a monarchy but does not have a king. But who knows
Just bought a European West and North/East chart cant wait to seem them in person
There were Serbian kings before the 1217. The king of Doclea Mihajlo Vojislavljevic was a Serb who was crowned king in the year 1077. Other than that there were other Serbian houses. Most notably the house of Vlastimirovic who ruled as Princes of Rashka (another name for Serbia in the medieval times) in the 9th century, as well as the houses of Ostrivojevic and Svevladovic, who ruled before them.
Montenegro had a kingdom before serbia in 1042 as duklja which was ruled by the vojislavljević dynasty
Is there any evidence today about the early Croatian kingdoms like coins manuscripts laws etc.?
in bašćanska ploča is mentioned Croatian King Zvonimir, probably there is much more, I'm not historian... the significance of bašćanska ploča is that is the first time written Croatia in Croatian language, Hrvatska. counter question, what is the oldest document/artifact where is mentioned Serbia as Srbija?
@@saff3356 ok but still no sign of a coin from that kingdom kind of strange or a manuscript or laws from that king. No burial or dates when they died. In Serbia we have many evidence. First being the golden coin from Strojimir Vlastimirović from 855 which can be found today in the museum in belgrade. I can keep on going with example of dozen churches built by Serbian King from 11,12,13 centuries and frescos of the kings and queens inside them. Example the dušans code from 1359. Emperor dušan is buried in Monastery of the Holy Archangels in prizren kosovo. Lazar hrebljanovic is buried in Ravanica monastery in cuprija. I can go all day. So tell me where are these Croatian kings buried what churces did they build is there any frescos of what they looked like?
@@dekitesla9915 you ignore the fact that we have fought for hundreds of years with ottomans. for them, catholicism was enemy religion. they burned and destroyed catholic churches and monasteries, usual places where kings were buried. catholicism wasn't protected as serbian orthodoxy which was one of allowed religion under ottomans rule. i don't know why there weren't coins from croatian kingdoms, maybe they used other means of paying or other currency like byzantium coins.
you didn't answer the question when was serbia first time mentioned.
@@saff3356 To answer you first question the earliest mention of the Serbians in the Balkans is from Einhard's Royal Frankish Annals which is written in 822, when prince Ljudevit went from his seat at sisak to the Serbs, believed to have been somewhere in western Bosnia with Einhard mentioning "the Serbians, a people that is said to hold a large part of Dalmatia. Our churches got destroyed and burnt during the ottoman periods also and we had it far worse then you did. Croatia was in a "union" with kingdom of Hungary so most fighting was done by them with some small help from ye. The thing im trying to say for me there is no real evidence of any of your kings. Dates burials laws coins battles etc. Therefore I refuse to believe they existed and you Croatians are fabricating your history as you see fit to your stories.
@@dekitesla9915 yes i know there are idiots from serbia whose only purpose in life is to negate croatian history.
Bro talked about Croatia for a minute until 1102. and suddenly covered whole Serbia🤦♂️
Typical Serbian propaganda spreader, lol.
They're obsessed with this type of mindset. But... it's ok, everyone caught up on this.
Another fun fact: according to Serbs, Adam and Eve were the original Serbians.
Stefan is tittle like king or tzar uros is main name
Stefan means wreath , which may be implying to the crown.
Stefan (stephan ) means coronationed on greek
great video, just one remark, Croatia was never orthodocs christian but catholic, Serbia was orthodocs, cheers :)
Nemanja the founder of Nemanjić dynasty was also born a prince, he is descendant of Vlastimirović dynasty which rained from 7. century but probably much longer. And while Nemanjić dynasty went extant with Uroš the Weak descendants of Nemanja and Vlastimir from cadet branches continued to rule until last of Serb lands were conquered in the 16th century. Though some members still served as clergy but they died out soon or became unknown. Trough maternal line they married into Habsburg house, so the blood came back to Serbian kings that way.
Serbia had kings before Nemanjic dinasty
Spectacular Video as always, a quick suggestion, can you do the family tree of King Arthur Of Britain’s Royal Dynasty? Cuz it’s quite an interesting piece of Mythology/Legends that I think Isn’t talked about, for example, Arthur’s dynasty was supposedly founded by the great-grandson Of Aeneas Of Troy.
There was the kindgom of Duklja or Zeta in 11 - 12 centuries.
Those were Montenegrin
@@fishybottoms2280 Just use brain. It is Serbian. Why ? Bc there is not etnic Montenegrian, they are Serbs. That's why it was Serbian
@@ban1176 Montenegrins don't really have anything to do with Serbs, do they? They have completely different histories, completely different traditions and belong to different cultures.
@@formica4266 They are completely same people, have same origin and history. In Montenegro always lived Serbs and Serbs created Montenegro. That is fact that is writed, that is well known and that is writed in our blood(DNA). It was different country yeah. But because it had other ruler's not always same doesn't tell you anything, it was just other family who managed to control that land. Montenegro was never separated by ethnicity.
@@ban1176 That, of course, is not true. All people are the same and do not have the same origin or the same history. Finally, origin does not determine ethnic groups. ethnic groups are determined by history, traditions and culture. What are the common points in the history of Serbs and Montenegrins? I don't know them. As you can imagine, the facts are something else. Even DNA (not blood, not blood transmitting hereditary traits) is not the same. Of course it was another country and of course it was another age, why do you transfer modern national projects to the distant past? Medieval countries are neither ethnic nor political creations. medieval lands are the property of feudal lords and this has nothing to do with the ethnic composition of the population. Montenegrins have never considered themselves part of the Serbian ethnic space, Valtazar Bogisic's poll should be consulted. In fact, they despised him deeply.
did anyone noticed the line of Ruthenian kings? guess Belarus was independent before 1991.
I miss Yugoslavia...
can you make a video about the kingdom of bosnia?? it collapsed in 1463.
Do Montenegrin Royal Family tree as well. Support from Croatia 👍
Porodično stablo Crne Gore? Njegoš se okreće u grobu.
Koja je poenta kad su oni Srbi
No need, they are serbs
I don't know why Vlastimirović and many other Serbian rulers were skipped over.
Yea, Croatia bloodline is much older, but Serbia bloodline was longer living.
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Croatian Monarchs?
who?
@@georgijepapadopulou3874 Many of them.
Hi, I visited Belgrade 2 years ago and I was wondering how princess Ljublica fitted into this?
She was Milos Obrenovicćs wife
And Croatia was first slavic country and full name of krešimir the great was Petar Krešimir IV
"the great" was added several centuries after he died
@@remove_marko dude stop trolling
@@remove_marko Thats usually how it goes...monarchs are awarded such attributes after they died.
Croatian nationalists such as Mladen Lorkovic and Kerubin Segvic considered Croatian name to be derived from a non-Slavic folk by origin.
Historian Osman Karatay states that Croatians migrated to Europe as a Turkic ruling class mixed with a native Slavs in South-East Europe.
Can you do a video on Bosnia
Lies! Croatia has 15 kings! I saw it on History channel, right after Ancient aliens.
Hahah ha, History Chanel and Ancient Aliens 🤣
@@dominikbradvica9406 😁
@@yuslaven89 nice🤣👍
Story of all Croatian kings fitted in first minute of the video
@@krstohrvat6981 Did those Croat kings build castles or monasteries, did they write charters made trade contracts, had stamp rings etc. Has anything of that survived today to testify about their existance.
Hello, can you send me a link to this Chart? Thanks!
Actually Serbia had 3 dynasties cause Petrović dynasty From Montenegro were Serbs. Kotromanić dinasty in Bosnia were Serbs as well
Kotromanićs came from Slavonia, hence they're Croats.
where you find that picture?