They’ve done Chinese, Japanese, and Thai versions of songs, why is an English version so hard to wrap your mind around DCGVGHH and their whole concept is to spread worldwide since they have members from all over the world as well
Strictly Kpop same but my reason only with NCT I get to hear Mark and Johnny sing or rap in their native language. an some English songs aren’t that bad in some ways.
lee sooman did a whole powerpoint presentation on nct's project which is world expansion idk why people are so surprised lol their introduction is literally "to the world" and they have members from like 8 countries for a reason
exactly. They want to expand into different markets, and there's nothing wrong with that. Bris is only stating that they wisely came out w an english song to appeal to the US market, and that BTS' impact on the US market has paved that way and allowed NCT to release this bop without it being such a huge shock, like, 'wtf is this, korean music?' - everyone will already know about the kpop scene and won't be in shock - that's BTS' impact.
@@iiTrendyz true true. they were supposed to focus on the chinese market first with the debut of the china unit but i guess they changed their plans 'last minute' to get that ride to the usa. very smart!
The whole reason NCT was created was to take their music into other countries. They talked about doing English music before the BTS mania started. It's something SM has been doing for years. They really started it with Super Junior and having a Mandarin sub unit and bringing in Henry who they attempted to push solo. However, that didn't work out to well because SM wouldn't let Henry do Henry. But SM has been releasing music in English for years. The next push into other countries was with Exo where they had Exo-K and Exo-M. They were trying to push more into the Chinese market. At the same time Girl's Generation was gaining a following in the US which lead to them releasing English songs. Then EXO's popularity rose worldwide and they realized with the right guys they could go global. That's why they have such a diverse group. You have Mark and Johnny both from North America. You have Yuta from Japan. You have Ten from Thailand. Then you've got Lucas, Winwin, Renjun, Chenle and Kun from China. The plan is to continue to add members to make the group more diverse. There have been apparently been talks of NCT having a group for major music market which would include America. This was something SM has been planning for years. They had Bo.a release a complete English album which the main single actually charted in the US and was used in movies. So, honestly, BTS isn't breaking down doors, they're walking through ones that were already quietly opened.
Jordan Galdeano GIRL PREACHHHH 💚my boys didn’t work their ass off to be compared to other artists making them feel unappreciated. When I saw them looking so excited after FaceTiming their faves and looking fresh in the red carpet, i was sooo happy but seeing this theory of them basically using BTS fame to promote themselves in the US hurt me. If they saw this type of shit, man...
.... hee... Did I miss something? What music? SM focus is to expand, simple, they dont have a personal signature, aporting what? foreing producers, diferent lenguajes, diferent nationalities, is not original is aiming for success, nothing wrong with that tbh. If SM was more organic in the proces for what they are traying to archive... I will be rocking sooooo hard with them, but nop, the food is dry
@@rm-nn3869 how is it not organic? None of kpop is organic to be up front. It's all manufactured. You put through a training system that's run like a machine. The way SM does it is no different from any other entertainment company. NCT isn't being pushed on anyone though. Their following has grown in the US like crazy over the past year. They've done multiple events in the US and they planned on doing an English song from the beginning. The boys hinted at it already. Plus Ten already came out with an English song.
Idol groups have been releasing English versions of their songs for ages. It's for their non-korean fans to be able to appreciate the song more. No theories are needed, it isn't so deep.
Lo thank you ! Got7 released 5 different versions and they aren't getting hate (which they don't deserve anyway) so why should nct get treated like this
it even makes more sense bcs nct is meant to be global - they should be releasing music in kor, thai, japan, eng, etc what are all the foreign members for?
Gabriele Furtado Yea they made many other languages songs/version other than English like Chinese Japanese Thai.Why people need to be dramatic when it’s English
loved your reaction and respect your theory but nct themselves explained why they made an english version of this song lol its literally their concept that's why they have chinese, japanese and thai versions of their songs and bts had nothing to do with it bc sm released english versions of songs even before bts debuted
He's been doing that since he started doing reactions...Hes always Comparing EVERY FUCKING GROUP To BTS! It's getting really annoying. I'm an ARMY Myself but I don't go around saying BTS Did that first or did this first when they obviously didn't. He needs to do some proper research before talking shit
Lee Sooman didn't put a long ass concept presentation about NCT and how they will be globally diverse since even before NCT debut (2016) to ppl assume that they make an english version song just because bts made it to US. Dude, SM plan it since forever ago. Additional comment: SM been making a english version of their song long time ago. TVXQ got an english version song on 2004 fgs
deasrh people seem to not realize how long SM has been around...like they have been doing this for over 20 years the stuff that's popular in kpop now most likley SM has been there done that it's nothing new for them
Don't wanna be triggered but please do a research before you say something. It's not that hard because Google is free. "To the world, this is NCT" is not only sentence and formality but it has meaning. The project team has been working hard thinking about NCT's concept long long before their debut.
@@Brixboba Yes, he didn't. But the way he said something without knowing the whole concept is not good in some way. That's his opinion, that's why I advice him to look for Google about NCT rather than guessing.
Brother, we all knew lmao We all knew NCT is going for the Western Market and that's not a surprise. NCT was origninally created to promote in every bloody country. Which is why we have those subunits. They want to promote in Korea, China, Japan, Amercia and they will be after Latin based countries, trust me, NCT WILL also release Spanish songs in the future. LOOK OUT FOR THAT. Since BTS opened the door unexpectedly, SM naturally was quick to put business there. After all, you CAN'T open the door if someone else did it for you (NCT debuted in 2016, mind you) so they took the oppountiy that presented itself in front of them. Gotta make it while it's still trendy. It's definitely a smart move and since they have 3 fluent English speakers, the opporunity is A LOT EASIER.
When a unicorn farted, Lay existed agreed but BTS wasn't the first one to go to the US and be big. just gonna state that. but since BTS is trending now so yeah
@@youseethisitslegend7552 nahh BTS' success in America is different to wonder girls, psy etc. success because in contrast to them BTS was able to get there and they stayed.
yeah... new kpopies just dunno how SM works...just we SMstan knw so well SM has planed NCT in many music market since before 2016, when they debuted, i see clearly... the vibes of their songs so different...if we compared the latest SM groups...like EXO for example...their setting market is Asian...but they can even have a big fanbases in europe n US too..and bfore bts, EXO already set many records like their american tour started early 2016, thats a big deal yow since SM never promote EXO bside Asia. NCT is the newest concept in KPOP...So, i really anticipate them so much now.
@@akashsable7616 they r overrated (nowadays) , i mean their korean songs were way better than their english ones. dont get me wrong but if you listen to fake love and than you listen to butter or PTD, you can just tell the difference!
Can i just say having an english song isnt just for America like nearly the whole world can speak english now days so its not just for America. NCT said they want to be able to have a song for their international fans. Like can y'all stop saying bts this bts that like just be grateful that kpop is getting bigger. Like bro
I understand your point of view, but there's so much you still don't know about NCT and SM. Regardless of whether BTS blew up in America or not, SM would have still released an english version. SM planned everything out already. Many of NCT's song have been worked on for YEARS. For example, NCT has been practicing black on black for like 2 years before it got released. And in this regular-irregular album, we have received many previews of multiple tracks in the past already. SM don't care about what other groups are doing. They're just going at their pace. If they really did care, they wouldn't have kept promoting NCT when other big groups are promoting so they could win some music shows. Also NCT was designed to go global. Before BTS even got famous in America, SM revealed their plans of globalization. Even NCT's music was designed to cater to western tastes which we saw with 7th sense and onwards.
Preach 😭😭😭this saddens me that many discredit nct without trying to dig into it further. I believe nct's concept was made even before the announcement of the first smrookies on 2013, SM knows what theyve been doing. Theyre professionals at that. And its way waaaay before bts hit big in US. i have so much respect with bts, but saying that "bts paved the way so others could enter the market a lot easier", im sorry? Mark didnt go from canada to korea at his teenage days and get lack of sleep to be disrespected like this. And so other members of nct they have worked so hard.
zz vv right? I mean yeah bts sucsess in america made it easier for other artists to get big and im happy for them, but why is that peopls only focus right now and why is everyone acting like america is the center of the world, its just an english song, why do people have to make such a big drama out of it? They’ve done Chinese, Thai, Japanese, korean and now English. Its not that deep. They have members from all over the world and Lee soman did a presentation about Nct in the very beginning of 2016. This concept of spreading their music all around the world was made probarly years before Lee Soman introduced Nct’s concept in 2016.
look i know you are a hardcore army.... but every time a kpop artist makes a breakthrough in the usa, bts will be the only name mentioned. nct should not be associated with bts at all. they have extremely different music styles and are nothing alike. plus lee sooman, the creator of sm entertainment, had already described a global concept for nct back in 2016. bts really shouldn't get credit for paving the way for nct or whatever. nct was going to promote in america whether bts did or not. that being said im not a bts hater. im not an army, but i am a fan and do love their music a lot :)
Aelin Galathynius yeah it was around 2017 when they got popular. Bris can’t say anything because he jumped on the Kpop bandwagon as soon as BTS blew up and now he has the audacity to say BTS paved the way for NCT like no bris do more research before dragging other groups into your stupid theories.
What are you saying? If you've ever seen the Interviews, NCT stated that they look up to BTS and Exo. Along with BigBang. You're trying to start fan wars, so please don't say ignorant things.
BTS did give the longest lasting impression on the US but NCT isn't trying to copy that. The entire concept of NCT from the beginning was taking over different music charts all over the world. That's how the concept was proposed and presented as. I actually think EXO was a failed experiment with the subunit concept (not saying they themselves are a failure, I love them and they are extremely successful, but the concept didn't work out). K-pop groups always release different versions of their songs (ex. Japanese versions, Thai version of BDS, Chinese versions, etc.). I feel like a lot of people are being really pissy about the English version, more so than the others. Idk why. Does music have to not be in a language you don't understand to be enjoyable? Is that why people don't care about the Japanese or Thai versions?
in case u didnt know, when nct debuted back in 2016, lee soo man (the creator) said it loud and clear, his idea for nct's concept was to create a worldwide group not a kpop group and thats when he introduced the concept of expanding group (unlimited members) thats whu they have (americans and canadians) english speakers, chinese members, japanese thai, and koreans, and as far as i can remember bts wasnt yet that popular in the usa back in 2016, so please pple stop these silly speculations and conclusions...
No offense but there is no need to have a "theory" for why they have English version. They have already stated why they did. NCT are meant to be globally diverese they've been putting out Chinese and Japanese songs for a long time and they are starting to root out to english as well because they have English speaking members. NCT had this Global concept since 2016. Also BTS weren't the first groups to go big in America there was Girls Generation, Psy (which you mentioned), Wonder Girls and Bigbang. They were huge and built up the popularity little by little which helped BTS go out on an even larger scale. My theory is from all the impact of previous artists, NCT will be bigger than ever. But this is definitley not triggering lmao idk why people would be mad at your opinion
I think he's trying to say Bts had made the biggest massive impact and influence. Because of that..now kpop groups are being interviewed. Kard, twice, Ailee, big names have thanked Bts for paving the way for kpop in the U.S. Other groups have mentioned this too..including Monsta X. NOt to take away from other groups achievements because they always worked hard too. And NCT deserves all that comes their way. Just staying Bts name will surely come up because of what they had done in U.S and how they made kpop really bring attention to the market.
Chetna kard & nct been over here before social award thingy....kard been in L.A almost more than they been in Korea since debut & nct is global concept....
Sana Yunus It would have been a lot harder for BTS to achieve what they have today in the West if it weren’t for older groups helping spread k-pop to a wider audience around the world.
nct are about to advance in the western market and it is a right timing, but the global concept was announced back in 2016 even before the first unit debuted. I get what you're saying but it's not really about busting down doors, it's just about raising a supportive fandom before advancing and nct127 is just two years old so they took their time, you get what I mean? if you think about it bts did not really busted doors down, they conquered a position that will bring people to compare everyone to them so I would like this mindset to be dropped, kpop bands hold concerts in the states since years and even if they only did for their fandoms it's okay, kpop is just good and needs to break stereotypes, each band helps in the way it can.
Just like GOT7 did...BTS and GOT7 basically showed what kpop is and what kpop idols are capable of creating (through their huge fanbases) a good reputation so other smaller groups can come and not be completely ignored
i'm sorry but stop mentioning BTS in every kpop group that promote in america. a LOT of kpop groups had english version of their song and got interviewed on american talkshow before bts. we have to admit that bts made a very big impression on american market, but say that they paved the way for another group is wrong. SNSD, 2NE1, Big Bang, the legend PSY, and many more made people curious about the kpop and then BTS came and the fan base made a very great job promoting them so they becoming like this. you better watch NCT introduction video where Lee Soo Man explained about NCT and their vision with the group, you will understand that with or without BTS's success on America, they will still promote there.
caesar novaldy To pave the way is to 1st break records an to make history... No one remembers the ones that did not make history and did not break records... Honestly what does BTS have to do to get respect from South Korea win a grammy... how about having the first American Stadium concert with 42 thousand people or being interviewed at the Grammy museum... come on you hate them bc there not your group but respect them at least...
@@isszzy1208 Isabel Diaz i really don't hate bts, i just hate the people that saying bts is the only kpop group that made it to US, the only group that pave the other group way to america. there are many famous kpop group in america before bts, and then you say "to pave the way is to make history, no one remembers the one that did not make history"? wow such an ignorant, research more. you told me to respect bts but you did not respect senior groups that made hallyu wave to the US.
+Isabel Diaz "no one remembers the ones that did not make history" -NO. The only ones who don't remember are armies b/c most armys are KPOP NEWBIES. Further more most army's live in their bts bubble, so they will never know. Even your faves bts remembers them, LOL. Army's don't want to acknowledge bts seniors..but you want fans from a junior groups to acknowledge yours?? No common sense.
Isabel Diaz exactly no one has forgotten Big Bang, Psy, GG, BoA, EXO...the new Kpoppies are the ones who don’t know shit. BTS made the list so be proud instead of making up shit. I’m actually a fan of BTS but new fans need to realize that everything isn’t about BTS. the people who have been in into Kpop for a while will always remember how Big Bang made a huge impact as well as other artists...even of we personally don’t like it.
Amna Siddique bc that’s the newcomers way into these groups. that should be enough proof. a lot of new fans didn’t know about these other groups until BTS, I think that says a lot. Not putting down other groups bc I absolutely love NCT, but OG kpoppies need to understand that new fans found their way in by BTS. That’s why we say that BTS knocked the door down, bc like, for some of us they really did 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
right this had latterly been NCT's concept form the very beginning they were going to come out with English music eventually even if k pop became well known here or not.
NCT whole concept is about being worldwide. There’s going to be an NCT China, Latin America, Thailand and Japan at some point. This has been placed before NCT debuted. Yeah is it happening at the same time of BTS and it does really help. But I don’t think it because of them either. Plus SM artists have precious put out English versions on their songs
Mia Signorita Mia Signorita i agree with you but i think sm think about this kind of project since 2006-2007 they really want to do this concept for a long time. At first NCT concept was Super junior concept ,at first Super junior was called super junior 2006 and the member could gratitude from the group and sm could add member too. but they couldn’t do this because E.L.F against this. at first SJ had 12 members and then they added Kyuhyun and he got a ton of hate until he got a big car accident by anti, so they stop hate on him and then sm added 2 member into sj-m again (Henry and Zhoumi) they get a ton hate because a lot of Fan (not ALL OF THEM) OT13 in SJ and Super junior have a lot of sub unit like Super junior happy, Super junior M , Super junior KRY. And in the past , there was a rumor that sm try to add Chinese member in TVXQ and divine them to sub unit to promote in Japan and China *this rumor was about 10 years ago, i can not remember clearly but it already had, but they cannot do this because fan against them too . And atfer TVXQ SJ era,they try this kind of concept again by demonstrate with exo by divine them in two sub unit- exo k and exo m like when the time that they promote MAMA, Mia Signorita i agree with you but i think sm think about this kind of project since 2006-2007 they really want to do this concept for a long time. At first NCT concept was Super junior concept ,at first Super junior was called super junior 2006 and the member could gratitude from the group and sm could add member too. but they couldn’t do this because E.L.F against this. at first SJ had 12 members and then they added Kyuhyun and he got a ton of hate until he got a big car accident by anti, so they stop hate on him and then sm added 2 member into sj-m again (Henry and Zhoumi) they get a ton hate because a lot of Fan (not ALL OF THEM) OT13 in SJ and Super junior have a lot of sub unit like Super junior happy, Super junior M , Super junior KRY. And in the past , there was a rumor that sm try to add Chinese member in TVXQ and divine them to sub unit to promote in Japan and China *this rumor was about 10 years ago, i can not remember clearly but it already had, but they cannot do this because fan against them too . And atfer TVXQ SJ era,they try this kind of concept again by demonstrate with exo by divine them in two sub unit- exo k and exo m like the time that they promote mama, the sub unit only sing in their own unit language. Sm try to bring kpop to the local market for a long time and in every country not only in USA , ps i write this from opinion and sorry for suck english but i want to explain this, so please don’t hate nct because sm promote them hard, SM grab very chance that they receive from every country even it’s small or big country, now SM sign project with many local company in Asia to make NCT in each country. And now, NCT already had Song in 4 languages Korean,Chinese(im not sure that they work together local company or found their own company in China)Japanese(they work with Avex ent)Thai (they work with True Corp. and creat company in thailand call SMTrue) and English is the fifth language that they made song. NCT is one of the big expectation that SM want to see this concept successful because they want to do this for a long time but they can’t. They put everything into them put a sloving problem about their group in the past and everything that they want to do but they can’t not do. I hope a lot of people in usa will welcome and support them too :3 the sub unit only sing in their own unit language. Sm try to bring kpop to the local market for a long time and in every country not only in USA , ps i write this from opinion and sorry for suck english but i want to explain this, so please don’t hate nct because sm promote them hard, SM grab very chance for NCT that they receive from every country even it’s small or big country, now SM sign project with many local company in Asia to make NCT in each country. And now, NCT already had Song in 4 languages Korean,Chinese(im not sure that they work together local company or found their own company in China)Japanese(they work with Avex ent)Thai (they work with True Corp. and creat company in thailand call SMTrue) and English is the fifth language that they made song. NCT is one of the big expectation that SM want to see this concept successful because they want to do this for a long time but they can’t. They put everything into them put a sloving problem about their group in the past and everything that they want to do but they can’t not do. I hope a lot of people in usa will welcome and support them too :3
NCTOHO Thank you for the explanation! We can thank Super Junior for the concept :) I’m sure that NCT will be well received by the world ( I’m speaking this into existence)
I’d be more willing to be more agreeable with your point if SM hadn’t had groups release songs in English for years and if NCT’s entire concept wasn’t to have units that were accessible to all parts of the world.
I’d like to drop my thoughts into this since we in a discussion. Head’s up: Long read. Just my opinion. I agree that BTS broke down the door and left an impression in the US. They're not going anywhere for sure. Why go when you’re doing well, right? BUT. It didn’t mean they “paved the way”. It’s 2 different things. Paving the way means making room for what’s to come, to make sure the future’s accepted, impact not really required. Breaking the door means arriving with impact. Senior artists like Psy, Big Bang, SuJu, EXO, etc paved the way for years, performing even if no one knew them. And yes, BTS broke the door…for THIS generation of Kpop. Just this one. Who originally did years ago when none minded or knew about Kpop? BoA, who singlehandedly showed up at MTV awards at a young age and made people interested. Let’s be clear on that. If BoA and other senior groups “paved the way” why didn’t they make an impact like BTS? They did but it’s about society, trend, and general/personal interest. Let’s be honest here, 80% of Kpop fans now weren’t there during the boom of Kpop in Asia and bits of Europe and US. Hell, I bet only few knew about Monster X and GOT7 taking Europe by storm. It’s been there for decades but no one noticed because society thought it’s simply not mainstream. Back then, people liked disco, metal, rnb, etc. but nowadays, people don’t make those music as much anymore because simply, it’s not the trend. So BTS came at the right time, being digitally active and their songs being on trend. This made people interested. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not comparing BoA, Psy, and BTS. They’re completely different leagues. I’m just saying they sparked curiosity like the rest. The big “who are you”. But, it didn’t mean BTS paved the way just because other groups are trying to promote in the US now. Many have before. Y’all just didn’t see that because you weren’t interested. Yet. Maybe for most of fans now, BTS “paved the way” for Kpop FOR YOU. Because they helped you learn about Kpop but that doesn’t give y’all rights to think they’re superior above all else. Again, for YOU not everyone else. They’re in one industry amongst many other artists doing the same agenda, make Kpop known. (unless y’all still stick to that “btspop” shit then I have no words for you) Now for Bris, I wish this video was more NCT related (like about their song, the concept, the effects, their choreo, aesthetic, etc) because it is an NCT127 reaction video but I get the build up. I wish you highlighted NCT’s impact rising first then connected BTS. It’s all in choice of flow…like rapping. NCT is charging to the top to follow EXO’s impact and SM’s legacy not just in a smart way but in a strategic way made years ago before they debuted. Their concept wasn’t original. From what I heard, it was supposed to be SuJu’s concept of having unlimited members, promoting globally, etc. This has been a goal of SM years ago but it failed. They kept trying. They almost did it with EXO but they became something different entirely. NCT was their key with a solid concept of unlimited members from all over the world, promoting globally, using their diversity to reach many audiences. Releasing an English song shouldn’t be surprising if you guys knew the true concept of the group. They’ve been collaborating with western artists for months, years already. Of course most don’t know that since you weren’t interested in the first place. Some just stumbled over the video. Bottom line is, no one can say someone “paved the way” when they’re the trend now. History will determine that; years of activity will support that. This is undermining the efforts of the senior groups, especially SOLOISTS, that helped promote Kpop around the world before your faves debuted or became known. You can’t say baseless things when your interest and awareness just sparked recently. Learn how things got there. It’s not about rivalry because some will go on top and some won’t. Just listen and enjoy music, your faves. Why do y’all always have to connect one to another single time just because it’s “like” this and that? They could have the same genre, same influences but in the end, they’re all different.
Ara Dungo omg truth and I don’t think they broke down doors tho. The door was opened by those people in the past, however, they used those doors to present themselves in a way other groups haven’t and I think that made an impact.
Not only that, but back then sns wasn't as big as it is now, the internet I believe was non existent too, no twitter, no insta, no UA-cam, etc..But BoA was there hustling alone.
@@greciacastro9020 and it makes her all the more awesome. New groups went viral because of the internet, but boa is a legend because she succeeded without it
I remember seeing a clip where BoA explained her hardships in promoting and her jealousy over how easy kpop idols these days have it... She even said that she picked up the language the hard way and because they didn’t have translators before... She even said how they didn’t have private vehicles and she had to take the train because taxis are too expensive.... it made me sad too because you can clearly see that she had to do everything by herself and learn everything by herself while promoting in a foreign country... She even said ppl thought she was a local so that was harder... so for me I think she’s really one of the idols who Paved the way... cuz I remember them joking about how she built one of SM’s building and how Growl built like another SM’s(?) building... when I read that... that’s when I realise they really were the first to endure the hardships and to pave the way for new artists.... This is just my opinion so yeah
CallMe_ Mya I think the fuck not, that ignorant prick is not going to be famous again because he did enough for people to hate him. Jake was aggressive towards girls, he was cheating on his girlfriends I don’t think that people are going to like him or Logan again..
*NCT's ENTIRE concept has been about being international, that was SM's whole plan from the start, from their trainee days.* I mean, their introduction is "To the World, hello, we are NCT" and they have more foreign members than not, like.....bts isnt the reason kpop groups are targeting this market. They have always tried to expand kpop, which was created as an export, a part of the Hallyu wave. SM uses his group Super Junior to target Latin America and has done so for many years with their spanish style songs
Something else I need to point out and say... people have made a big deal about BTS touring the US arenas. That's something Big Bang, Shinee, Super Junior and Exo have already done. Big Bang sold out Prudential and the Staples center. The reason BTS is such a big deal is because of how much social media has grown and their social media presence. Big Bang wasn't as active on social media as BTS because they were doing so much more and didn't care about any of that.
I'm mean were gonna see who's gonna be more popular cause when bigbang comeback it will be time for BTS to start going sadly, but big bang already got connections in america, (pharrel,Ariana grande, and more)
Jordan Galdeano exactly like BTS was first known for their social media award not music .Literally everyone forgets that and too me that's why NCT clearly is better in how they were noticed in America first it was for their ALBUM THAT HAS ONLY ONE ENGLISH SONG they may noticed that one song but on Jimmy Kimmel and others cherry bomb even come back Korean songs were notice so how can you assume some on first based on a media award to some one noticed for a whole ass album plus a English song is good to compare or say is better
Timo B um no I I’m not saying NCT is better than BTS in a music stance I mean in a way of coming to America they weren’t put in here through a social media award it was for there music.An it doesn’t matter on the timing , your taking what I was saying out of context and if that’s your opinion it’s ok.But please don’t twist my words to make it seem like I’m a biased Koop fan I’m actually a multi Stan but I have opinion on all my special groups just cause I say one thing on them don’t mean I’m biased more to another.
Why does Western media automatically mean "mainstream" lol nct are a gobal group they are literally meant to be all around the world because of their concept
@@Feathertail2205 that's a sad truth 😑 But I kind of understand - they need to create a new top group before the other goes to hiatus. This is a business
1. “BTS busted down the door” “they created the vibe” I love BTS with my whole heart and soul they are the first group I’ve ever listened to when it comes to Kpop and I consider myself an army but pls STOP I beg STOPPPPPP comparing NCT and other groups to BTS !!! it can come off very disrespectful. BTS has nothing to do with NCT dropping an English track. NCT have made it clear from the beginning before BTS got big and before the sub unit debuted that they were trying to focus on the global audience especially since NCT 127 and NCT as a whole are from many different countries. Also if you think about it, BTS did not pave the way or bust doors open for anyone since there were many groups before that had the same effect, you just weren’t in the kpop scene at that time. EXO, BIGBANG, H.O.T AND many more I can’t name have all had such a big impact globally it wasn’t just BTS. anyways I’m getting off track. I’m just tryna say I don’t get what NCT releasing an English track has to do with BTS or any other groups. It’s honestly amazing how army’s can’t react to another group without comparing.
That is true and all. But has these groups sold out citi field? have they achieved literally the level of influence and success that BTS coming from a SMALL company has? Have they made EVERY single talk show want them? It's hard to face the truth but BTS did in fact pave the way for KPOP. They were not the first artists no, but they are the MOST known kpop artist apart from PSY. I love NCT 127, but they are definitely trying to be more westernized with the song, it's a good song but it's nothing new. We hear these type of musics all the time, even the music videos aren't different. There is not much originality there. I just think people should be allowed to give credit where credit is due. NCT 127 would not be going to the AMA's or on Jimmy Kimmel if it wasn't for BTS sorry. If EXO, BIGBANG, H.O.T and those others you named had paved the way, why weren't more kpop groups requested all over the world? on talk shows? It's not comparing the groups but just looking at facts and statistics.
Were these kpop groups you speak of getting a letter from the Korean government? Were they getting presented with a Cultural Merit? I don't believe so. Yes they've had a global impact but to what extent? I just don't understand how hard it is for people to admit that BTS busted their ass and weren't even COLLECTIVELY trying to pursue the western industry, and still aren't to this day however, SM does do the most with their artists, and it even shines through with NCT 127's twitter. Your faves would not be recognized as much if BTS did not indeed PAVED THE WAY with their meaningful message throughout their songs, which........well I'm not going to finish that sentence. Plus 95% of new fans come from hearing about BTS. But keep being indenial about BTS's influence and impact. Not to say that BTS is better than the other kpop artists but they deserve to be recognized for their hardwork from 2010 till now.
the facts that Armys like to bragging about BTS on other groups and spamming whenever their doing promotion in U.S is being disrespectful towards other artist, and their hard work as well. BTS themselves are humble, but those so called "fan" keep gaining antis for them should reconsider themselves.
I’ve never spammed on any other groups about bts. In fact this is the first time of me even commenting on something because I couldn’t hold my tongue. Army’s spamming other videos are indeed very disrespectful and make our fandom look bad. There’s nothing wrong with bragging about their success however, because army’s are so damn proud especially with the amount of hurdles they had to go through. Excessive bragging though and shitting on other groups is what’s not tolerated.
And that's exactly what most of immatures Army are doing right now by shitting and doubting about other's group successful, and let me tell you something, BTS doesn't have antis, Army just "paved" the way for them.
bts has nothing to do with nct releasing an English song. It's their concept to release music in different languages focusing on different countries (English, Japanese, Chinese etc), which is why nct have subunits (with nct china coming soon). Not everything relates to bts.
Some facts. Back in the day INFINITE, Wonder girls, Shinee and others were also being interviewed and going on shows in the US. Also, this is not the first time a kpop group has an english song as a title, SNSD did it with "The Boys" and Wonder Girls with "Like Money".
Sweetie let me tell you something,in 2016 Lee sooman did a whole fuckin 36 mins introducing Neo Culture Technology where the concept is invading the world having members from many countries so this was the concept that the group debuted with way before BTS even be big in Korea so please as u ppl just get into kpop cuz of bts pls don't say things u don't understand cuz u are ruining K-pop that we loved for years,thank you
Just because NCT and many other groups are making songs in English doesn’t mean they are copying BTS... many armys assume that BTS was the first to make songs in English but that’s not true what so ever... NCT just had an amazing comeback and people should appreciate the quality of this comeback, not try and put them down because they are “copying” BTS... please don’t compare groups to other groups that’s how fan wars happen... BTS was not the first to make a song in English, sure they have been successful in the West... but many groups have had a lot of success in the West as well (example Got7 just had a huge world tour that sold out)... next time don’t compare groups and enjoy they songs that these artists put in the work for.. thank you
I'm an ARMY and even I don't understand how some people can say that this is a copycat situation. BTS literally does not have any original music in English. They have done cover songs in English, but as far as their own music, no. There is no way that NCT can be copying on that basis alone. I think it is strategic and smart for SM to ride the high of this wave of interest in kpop stateside. They would be absolutely foolish not to market their global, multinational group created for international expansion, to the largest global music market. What BTS has done is bring kpop a second time around to a large amount of people who did not fall into the hallyu wave when groups like BigBang and SNSD helped spread it. Kpop at that time only stayed within the kpop community for many years. Whether people are actively listening to BTS like true kpop fans or not, they are at least familiarizing people with the terms "kpop" and "BTS". It's hard to escape them even when you aren't actively searching for them. Their achievements give way for other groups to be successful as well and I am in full support of that!!!
If people talk about groups copying bts... Well, there's a reason why I never really get into bts, and that's because they remind me too much of bap sometimes
Just wanted to say that I've been in korea for the past two months and... tbh bts isn't even that big compared to other bands? They're basically on the same level as most other big kpop bands here Which is refreshing bc I've been into kpop since before they even debuted and it's nice to finally see variety In America all you hear about is bts and if you've been a kpop fan for a while you know that they didn't even lay the groundwork for kpop to move outside Korea And they've even said that in interviews but they get all the credit like wtf Don't get me wrong, I don't hate bts To me they're just any other band I don't like them, I don't dislike them But their fans are making so hard for me to keep it that way
YES. I haven't been to korea but my Korean friends said that bts is on the same level as other kpop groups in korea. She said the hype exists internationally. She told me people in her school (and she's in middle school) are mostly talking about btob. In some places the hype is about some other group. We cannot even relate to how balanced and passive it is korea. They do not treat any group as gods or 'paved the way' over there.
Sorry I dont know where in Korea you were but In seoul you only see Bts and Twice on the streets in front of every store and Its true dont be delusional
And I came here expecting some mv insights/reaction about NCT just to hear about BTS. At the end of the video I was like that's it? Not triggered though. Just nothing new. Lol
I love that BTS was able to let people all over the world see that kpop is a thing, but it is starting to annoy me when I hear people saying that NCT (or other kpop groups I'm just using them as an example) are trying to steal BTS fame or copying them. BTS did this so that kpop could be more recognised, so please stop bashing other groups because they want people to hear their music as well. He didn't mention this in the video, but his words just got me thinking and I just wanted to put my opinion out there. P. S I'm an Army and an NCTZEN, so I love both groups and many others, hope you don't get triggered.
I multistan (I am an army and nctzen as well) and yoo Facts!! I hate when toxic people be like "omg you trying to be like BTS" 😪 like nooo! Other groups deserve recognition too, they are not copying nor tryna be like BTS, they have worked hard to get where they are too smh! Like this is how all fan wars start, honestly members from different groups are friends with each other, why can't we all just be happy with one another? We all trying to see all our faves succeed!
... is not the groups, but the companies they are under. BTS had a journey with the fandom, from nobodies to legends (blocking them, opresing, you name it, the receipts are easy to find) you have a telented group with a fandom doing half of the company job, they are the ones filling the stadiums breaking records buying staff. A company can have conections, push a group out there having a entourage planing things for years and have fair succes for it dosent mean is going to be a phenomenon. There are going to be good waves, but the tsunami is called BTS.
i see what you mean because bts broke down that door that other kpop groups and artist have been kicking at and punching at for years, but i think nct did an english version because they have english speakers and they want to appeal to more audiences around the world because they are a global group :)
Got7 made a Chinese, Spanish, and English version of Lullaby. And Kard released an English version of Don't Recall. And there are plenty of other groups that have made English versions of their songs for international fans. I love Nct 127, and the other units as well, but they're not the only, first, or last group to release an English version. But regardless they're definitely aiming for the western market and I wish them the best of luck! I can't wait to see what else the come out with!
I respect your opinion, but Big Bang and 2NE1, Shinee and Exo really busted open the doors for acceptance in the US and BTS. Granted BTS did a lot of work in Cali but the bands I mentioned previously proved that Kpop is marketable and can sell concert tickets, streaming, and units in the US. Exo charted on US charts before BTS with no English tracks. I think it's great how people respond to BTS but they were not the ones to pave this way, but they have benefited because of the early pioneers I mentioned in the beginning of this post. I came into Kpop during the 2nd Generation wave like many other American fans. A lot of newer fans came in with BTS so they aren't aware of the ground breaking work that was done before. I don't feel that newer fans should be shunned or made to feel bad. Do research for yourself so that when you speak you come from a place of knowledge and not just uninformed opinion.
TTzChan99 all these bands you mentioned had the benefit of coming from one of the big 3 entertainment companies with money and resources to help them. Big three privilege. Can you name another company that has been as successful coming from a small company?
There were people that had success internationally before BTS. You seem to think they were the first kpop arists to be relevant in America when really, people in America wouldn't even be familiar with the term "kpop" if it wasn't for earlier groups and artists.
I like your reactions and all but WHY DON"T YOU EVER DO YOUR RESEARCH ON THESE GROUPS????? At least educate yourself some before you make theories and say something that makes you out to be a fool... It's all right to have theories but they have to be educated. Please research the history of Kpop and the concept of NCT as a whole.
I'm sorry to comment here but I had to...cuz yes, I am Triggered! Because no matter how much better other groups do in the US from now on, all the praise and appreciation is gonna go to BTS! That's one! And 2nd, this isn't the 1st time a group released an all English track however, it IS the very 1st English title track for any Korean group and No, I don't think it has anything to do with "BTS's busting down the US market door" and let's cash on this chance...SM knows that their audience has grown and luckily NCT has the quality and ability to pull new and innovative ideas! That's it! NCT worked hard for it and they shouldn't be robbed of their well deserved praise. Now, if we start to talk about who busted which door and whatnot, that's gonna start a whole different discussion (war)! So, let's just sit back and enjoy the song! Edited : I know, I know, it's not exactly the 1st title track ever in English but it's one of the rare ones of such so...I got lazy to Google and then comment! 😁 You guys get the notion though, right?
I think he's trying to say Bts had made the biggest massive impact and influence. Because of that..now kpop groups are being interviewed. Kard, twice, Ailee, big names have thanked Bts for paving the way for kpop in the U.S. Other groups have mentioned this too..including Monsta X. NOt to take away from other groups achievements because they always worked hard too. And NCT deserves all that comes their way. Just staying Bts name will surely come up because of what they had done in U.S and how they made kpop really bring attention to the market.
I agree with you to some extent. I think people are sensitive because when bts was getting big and experimenting with music, people were very critical. Saying they were westernized, now nct came out with a full English song and it's a great song but it's no different from other songs in the west. Even the message is the same. I think people are just wondering why there is nothing being said about nct except them being iconic and different. I don't want people to hate on nct but why is bts held 2 a different standard?
This is actually the first Brisxlife video that I’ve watched in a long time... so I’m disappointed but not surprised that a lot of things haven’t changed. I came back because I wanted to give your content another chance, so please don’t think that I’m just trying to hate. I’m seriously trying to help with some constructive criticism. This is obviously your video, Brisx, so keep doing what you want... but I sincerely think you’re doing yourself and your channel a huge disservice with how you approach certain videos/reactions/topics. I’m warning you, this is an essay. Sorry, but I had to go in, guys. Before the reaction even started, several things happened: You claim that you love NCT 127, yet you don’t mention a single reason why you would... even though there’s no shortage of reasons and that‘s generally the natural thing to do. Then, you mention that the “interesting” thing about this song is that it’s in English. Failing to mention literally any other “interesting things” about this song or this group makes it seem like the English is the only reason why you’re excited for this. Yes, it’s very exciting that they’re trying something new but how is there nothing else worth mentioning about a new song from a group that you apparently love? And since they’ve never made an English song before, it obviously can’t be one of the reasons why you’ve already grown to love them. Then you make it clear that you have some theory about how and why NCT 127 is entering the western market which leads the viewer on the false pretense that perhaps there’s more to your love for NCT 127 than initially meets the eye, but more on this later. Now onto the actual reaction. Even though at one point you say that this song is good enough to break into your top ten... you barely say anything about the song itself and what makes it so good. All you pretty much say is that it is “swaggy” and a “banger”, very grand but seemingly empty surface-level comments. Now that the reaction has ended, you’re probably going to share that theory that you were so excited about earlier. Perhaps this theory about NCT 127’s entrance into the western market will reveal to us more about your personal connection with NCT 127 as a group and as musicians. Womp. Instead, with absolutely no further comment on the song itself, you proceed to spend half of an NCT 127 reaction video talking about BTS. Please tell me why your first instinct, and only preparation for this “theory” about NCT... was a twitter discussion about BTS? It would be like going to a bike store before going to a car dealership to buy a car... it literally makes no sense. That aside, you discussed this “NCT 127” theory at length (clearly) without even considering “NCT 127” at all. I’m not saying everyone should know everything about NCT’S concept but it’s really not that hard to look up. I swear I don’t have anything against BTS, and I’m sure their success in America isn’t entirely irrelevant, but there’s almost entirely so much more to NCT’s strategy for an American career beyond BTS’s example. Furthermore, if you knew you were going to include the “discussion” beforehand... you could’ve conducted a very basic google search before filming that would’ve showed you everything you needed to know about Lee Sooman’s désire for their global expansion. As I mentioned earlier, you made it very clear that you always intended on bringing up some “theory” about NCT 127 entering the Western market... So when the MV ended, and you only said one sentence about the song/MV before jumping straight into the theory that turned out to just be BTS talk... it screams that you started filming this NCT 127 reaction video with BTS as your primary focus. Idk if you filmed this video knowing that NCT 127 was going to take a back seat to BTS in their own reaction video or you let it happen anyways by not noticing or fixing that in editing. Either way, it’s very disappointing low quality “business mode” prioritizing here. Lastly, you even chose a “sub”title (try not to get TRIGGERED) that is only relevant to the half of the video that, once again pretty much has nothing to do with the NCT 127 song listed in the title. The “try not to get TRIGGERED” part even comes before the “Reaction” in the title, for goodness sakes. Long story longer, your enthusiasm and charisma come across as pretty insincere and a lot of your content seems like crowd-pleasing smoke and mirrors. I know/hope you’re not doing this on purpose but these are just a few examples of how I think you accidentally sabotage yourself sometimes. Not only are you being quite careless with how you indirectly belittle/undervalue some Kpop artists sometimes ... but (I hope this helps you see how) you’re foregoing pretty obvious thought processes that could help you easily avoid all of this.
there are a lot of armies here who are saying that we’re just not acknowledging the fact that BTS is successful, but that is not what we’re saying. We’re just saying that BTS is in no way influencing NCT 127 to come into the American market bc NCT’s concept was global domination before BTS was even mainstream. Armies need to understand we aren’t bashing on your idols but rather we are defending ours from your fandom who don’t realize BTS does not make up the whole kpop industry.
NCT releasing a full english song isn’t new btw.......... even if it’s just one member but do you even remember that you react to NCT TEN - New Heroes? or maybe have you heard his Dream in a Dream? and FYI, SM made a worldwide concept for NCT from around 2014 (if i’m not mistaken) there will be some new NCT’s unit like NCT China, NCT Thailand, NCT Indonesia, and a lot more. they have a lot of foreign members like Canada, Japan, Chicago, China, and maybe another foreign countries for the trainees. (CMIIW) Bris, i got your point and i appreciate your opinion but do some research for NCT so you’ll understand this “global & worldwide concept” more. It was created from a long time a go. thanks for your great reaction anyway!
Hi bris, I know people free to give their opinion but just to let you know kpop 1st and 2nd generation already did that way before like suju as kwave that have their sorry sorry dance around the world, bigbang had their american tour succesfully, girl's generation even has been released their song The Boys in english ver when they got contract with us music production company and had their stage performance in madison square, GD had stage collaborated in US with Missy Elliot and had collaboration with skrillex in his music video, Psy of course we know already did the great job to open the gate, exo with their success concert in North America and their album achievement in US chart, and many thing that was happen before bts open the curtain to the world. I think all of them trying really hard to make people around the world impessed with kpop. And with millenial generation now, kpop spreading faster especially for bts music. For NCT of course they did a good job and to be the next kwave project to spread kpop around the world, I know they did a great job last year with their cherry bomb perform in apple music as the first kpop invited. So, better we enjoy all the kpop music without theory and speculation since we don't really know who is the first. All of them working hard for this not only bts but all of them...
Thank you! I swear everyone forgets that NCT 127 performed last year in JUNE at the Apple store in NYC. That was right about the same time as BTS was getting noticed at the Billboard awards. www.soompi.com/article/1003005wpp/nct-127-becomes-first-korean-artists-invited-today-apple-event-u-s
I don't even stan NCT, but you just sound insecure -- don't get triggered! The fact that you made such a superficial observation proves it. I understand, though. It's not about popularity. I don't want NCT making a song with Nicki Minaj or Big Bang feat. JB or whatever. It's awkward with a side of desperate. 2NE1, EXO, Girls Generation, and Big Bang have been really popular for a long time, and snsd and exo were the first Kpop acts to start breaching and beating American artist on polls - it was funny. Kpop was coming to America, it was inevitable -- like, blackPink? I hope everyone understands that it's all about Sponsors when it comes to ALL American music and popularity. It's because Bighit and LG is very lenient and proactive about getting these sponsors, while other kpop groups tend to keep it Korean. Kpop sells Bigger than most American artist these days, and it's been like this a while. Recently, Rihanna's Cosmetics Brand Fenty tried to get EXO's Kai to be a Sponsor, but I think the company turned it down.... But then again, I hate Rihanna and would prefer Kai just do Korean things. SM has been releasing English versions to songs for a long time (we've seen this with Girls Generation The Boys back in 2011 - though kinda cheapy/or crap). Even Super Junior has been partually in Spanish lately. As an Army from their debut, I watched how all the kpop news buzz simultaneously switched to bias towards BTS and I was overjoyed to see the boys doing so well. But BTS is not a fairytale and they didn't kick the door down, they went behind the scene and talked to the right people to get the door opened up for them - do some research on LG for that. BTS was transformed into the "Kpop group of America" as a money making strategy. Even Koreans talk about how the groups lyrics are weird, designed in a way that is easy to sing -- that's kind of anti Korean. I don't understand why you'd try and pull that on NCT for making an English song for having english speaking fans... This fame that Army has, I am not sure I want any part of it anymore... Especially after I found out RM was inspired by the book dominion known for it's devil worshiping references. Sounds ridiculous but the bs people actually do. Hope you guys understand exactly what American popularity is, realize all things are done on purpose, when money is on the line, no matter what it is.
I love EXO, I love BTS, I love NCT, I love SKZ. But I love open minded people and people don’t follow the bandwagon informations as well. Thanks for explaining. I’m so tired of people bringing up faves to bring others down.
By the book 'dominion', do you mean "demian"? When I looked up his book recommendations that was the title that I found. However, I did see a book called dominion as I was looking for it independently. Both seem quite creepy. Man. I want to look into sponsorships, especially LG now. Such an underrated comment. Personally, I wanna hear more. You have a lot of interesting things to say.
BRIS, i don’t think armies will ever stop comparing bts and nct. it’s unfair because the two groups are COMPLETELY different. they are not alike at all, not in their style of music, dancing, visuals, or concept. stop comparing them and bringing bts up when talking about them. please. they got invited to AMAS and Jimmy Kimmel because of their talent and feature in Up Next Apple Music not because bts ‘paved the way.’ i already know all armies don’t think that or that yall don’t claim the armies who do say that. in the future, please don’t compare the two. it might be insulting to nct for all of their hard work, and for them to come this far, i’m sure the last thing they want to hear is that they would have never made it to america if not for bts. nctzens, let’s make nct proud and show them our love by streaming the mv!!! 💚💚
사랑해basils. Exactly and in a social rating NCT is literally in second to BTS so neither is not better then one another.An everyone have different opinion on the music they like so you can't even compared group based on how you feel cause that's your choice .No what everyone feels literally no human mind is completely the same what you may like everyone finds either the same or different
I don’t think they should be compared- or any kpop group for that matter. I I’m an Army, but I love exo just as much and am exploring nct. Comparing BTS to other groups is just ridiculous.
@@azdawn264 Ikr but if you try to call out thier Toxic behaviour apparently you're a Anti and a Fake Fan. Like damn, How hard can it be to get along? Also you're welcome to the Grass family anytime 😤✊💚. I would tell u to dm me, If u need help stanning, but since it's UA-cam and not Twitter. You can @ me here anytime you want(?
Only people that has like 3 years into kpop think BTS "created" something, I've been into kpop for 12 years (i discovered it in 2006 or so) and kpop has become more and more popular through these years.
“Bts opened the door to america for kpop” -all armys. When we legit had bigbang, super junior, psy, 2ne1, and many more WAY before bts came along but oKAY 🙊🙊🙊
Sorry for other toxic armys making you think that all armys are that immature. I'd like the think that a lot of us acknowledge that even though bts is really big, other groups existed before them that allowed them to grow in the way they did. In my personal opinion, I think that bts made it so that Kpop was more normalized in America, but a lot of 2nd gen groups like the ones you mentioned were the ones who made it possible. So many groups contributed so its not really fair to anyone to credit one group or company. We should all just respect each other.
The only thing that upsets me about the whole, fandom v.s fandom thing, I know it’s inevitable and can’t be stopped, we all want the same thing for our groups. Whether you’re multifandom or not, you’d want your ult group to be “on top” or get recognized more am I right? I’m not gonna say fandom names because everyone’s gone through it but still. It just makes me upset over the fact that people fight with others over fame for their groups instead of helping each other and cheering each other on you know?
This is my own opinion and it’s not meant to offend anyone at all!! I love every group and fandom because they all have their special aspects and everything!! I just wish we could all get along a little better.
Your completely right. Let’s face it all fandoms want that satisfaction of their artist to hit that #1 spot (or close to #1) which is total fine in terms of setting goals to become better. Sadly this fandom war crap is not going nowhere and what sets me off is the disrespect that individuals in fandoms have to other artists/fandoms. It would be nice to change all the negativity to positivity in words of supporting and loving Kpop in general.
If you understand NCT's concept as a band, you'll get why they have a song in English. BTS definitely HELPED to make Kpop more mainstream and accessible to the West but I also think it's unfair to pin/attribute other groups' success and hard work on BTS. They're different groups with different styles and concepts so regardless of who you consider to be 'the first ones' to crack the States, they're all worthy of praise in their own way. Plus, many groups have been doing interviews and concerts worldwide before the rise of BTS. Love to BTS, NCT and all Kpop groups working their butts off! This song is 100% a bop and defo one of my faves this year! I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more of their growth.
I’m so disappointed Bris. I really enjoyed most all of your reactions of all different Kpop groups because you respected the individual group. This was a direct slap in the face not only to Nct and their fan base, but to all other Kpop groups and fandoms. Especially the older ones. I really thought you were different. Smh...
honestly i didnt get triggered but im just tired of everyone pointing out that bts made it easier for other kpop acts to make it in the american market as if we dont already know. like it just feels like ur rubbing it in our face that ur idols did what ours couldnt and i get that armys are proud of bts but like you dont have to mention them every time a group enters the international market cause it feels like ur undermining other groups’ hard work
Okay I respect your opinion Bris...but let's not forget BLACKPINK, TWICE, EXO, SEVENTEEN and GOT7 also did a massive job on getting KPOP into mainstream music market. Yes BTS has done because of those American tv and award shows but it isn't just about that.
I think he's trying to say Bts had made the biggest massive impact and influence. Because of that..now kpop groups are being interviewed. Kard, twice, Ailee, big names have thanked Bts for paving the way for kpop in the U.S. Other groups have mentioned this too..including Monsta X. NOt to take away from other groups achievements because they always worked hard too. And NCT deserves all that comes their way. Just staying Bts name will surely come up because of what they had done in U.S and how they made kpop really bring attention to the market.
@@Rbrinkley BTS have never made a full English song. But like I dont understand why ppl keep denying BTS impact in helping kpop into the western market. Other groups still working hella hard but like the influence is still there.
@@Brixboba Thank you. I'm multi-fandom as fuck but I never would have even learnt about NCT, SVT, Red velvet, MX if i hadn't gotten into BTS. And I got into BTS like almost 4 years ago so imagine new ARMYs
I actually completely agree, bts isn’t going anywhere, they are the KINGS and nct(one of my ults along with bts and straykids) are going in the right direction I believe they are gonna be the world favourites along with bts, nct isn’t replacing them but are making there way up there and I’m so proud of them
Say it loud to ppl behind you babe... No one can be replace, cause everyone (group) have their own path... The different just BTS did it first than others
preach ✊🏼👏🏼 Like NCT is catching up. And that’s good. BTS is good also but it’s good to have more groups, but also BigBang are the kinds of Kpop and 2NE1 are the queens. sorry gotta stay loyal. 😔💗
Ikr!! That’s why fanwars are so stupid, there doesn’t always have to be “who’s at the top” but rather “who’s at the same level” NCT is really catching up!
Girls Generation was actually the group to introduce America to Kpop, BTS just rode that wave, nct is doing that as well. Both groups are equally talented
I agree with you. It’s also just been the model of NCT since it’s creation; multiple groups each with their own country/market. So they would’ve made the move at some point but the opportunity came probably earlier than SM had expected so they’re going for it full force.
@@Sasha-vm6ek She means insecure because armys mention try to mention everything bts has done to everyone, in everything. EVERYTHING. And instead of sounding proud, it ends up sounding cocky and undermining.
Paved the way? Busted down doors? Been a fan since 2010. I remember sitting in a sold out Madison Square Garden in 2011 with SM label groups performing for close to 3 hours. I think the concrete for the pavement had already been poured by those groups, and prior to that it was Rain and BoA - who was before Rain. Let's not rewrite history or gloss over impact just because social media was not in place to place the crowns and tiaras on the pioneers.
You do realize this has been the plan all along. Their goal isn't only the West but the world as well. Two years ago the former CEO of the company 127 belongs to presented the plan for NCT and what the concept of their group would be. It's simply a coincidence that BTS "broke down the doors" at this time. As far as having A song in English NCT 127 are not even the first group in their company to release a song in English. BOA has a whole album in English. NCT has songs in Japanese and Chinese as well and NCT China is debuting later this year. SM is going global which has been in the works probably before BTS even existed. SM is definetly going for a broader audience. Not even to mention Super Junior and their collabs with Latin American artists and touring Latin America.
What I will give to BTS is that they have opened doors for MEDIA in America such as making it a bigger thing for Kpop groups to be invited for interviews or award shows like the AMAs, but not Kpop groups having fans in America or being able to release English versions of songs or having concerts or tours in America because that has been happening.
Grace Kelly exactly like honestly it's a media aspect with them it wasn't music .with the second generation and first plus NCT were recognize for album's so it's make no sense to say BTS paved something or is better l
This is what I can agree with. And I get disappointed in armys that fail to see that sometimes the media just put bts in weird situations because they know the amount of traffic it'll bring
Kpop groups were winning MTV and Billboard awards and getting invited to shows long before BTS. I mean wasn’t it Wonder Girls who even got their own show at Nickelodeon? The big difference is social media, which BigHit was faster than other Kpop groups to take advantage of and that favored BTS’s international popularity.
I'm late but it's so nice to read that people truly know NCT. Not everyone is trying to be BTS. And from what I know, lets not forget the Hallyu Wave that started before BTS was big.It's just that people started to pay attention and BTS was doing well at that time.
NCT literally has a worldwide concept. nct has lots of foreign idols such as chinese, japanese, canadian, and american. It’s not suddenly because of bts that nct decided to drop an english version of a song. Also they may have done this for foreign fans and maybe because it hit just that much harder in english. Plus they’re all pretty decent at the language too.
Rain, PSY, Wonder Girls, Girls Generation, and even 2NE1 made some headway in the US market with hits, talk show appearances, concerts, and other televised performances. However, they did not dominate the market. They did not make a permanent and growing fan base. They did not chart for long periods of time. Their names were forgotten in the market. There was no lasting impact, only temporary. There is nothing wrong with that, their contributions helped on this road though. It introduced k pop. Was BTS trying to break into this market, no. Their popularity stems from their group dynamic, exceptional talent, hard work, smart business, and devout interaction with and their love for their fan base. It’s almost a perfect storm. To ignore the past kpop that contributed is foolish, to ignore that BTS is responsible for making kpop mainstream in the US is foolish as is not including them in the conversation as relevant when other groups are strategically monopolizing on the opportunity to enter the US market because of what they have done. It would not, at this present time be as easy (not impossible) for NCT 127 or any other group for that matter to enter into the US market RIGHT NOW.
DnyliGrrrl no hate...bts bigger since last year right?..you talked about second gen KPOP were debut 10 years ago...clearly u didnt knw how big impact second gen spread kpop..you can see bts unforgatble, lets wait in 10 years from now...don assume unpredict things, its too much.
youtube reactors thinking they know so much about kpop saying that a certain group bust open the US market ... Well, 2nd gen kpop groups would like to say welcome for busting open the World Market 💁🏻♀️💁🏻♂️ #kpop #2ndgen
Exactly. Kpop newbies should really not even give their opinion. Especially those who don't have knowledge about Kpop as a whole and only live in their faves bubble.
They’ve done Chinese, Japanese, and Thai versions of songs, why is an English version so hard to wrap your mind around DCGVGHH and their whole concept is to spread worldwide since they have members from all over the world as well
sushisoon THANK YOU MY POINT
Many Americans think the U.S. is the center of the world sadly. It's an ignorant way of thinking.
ok im new to kpop but like we don't need to make a big deal about an English version
ita cuz we dont find a lot of english vers as often as mostly asian ones... so i get him buttttttt......
WHY ITS JUST A SONG MY DUDE.
Strictly Kpop same but my reason only with NCT I get to hear Mark and Johnny sing or rap in their native language. an some English songs aren’t that bad in some ways.
lee sooman did a whole powerpoint presentation on nct's project which is world expansion idk why people are so surprised lol their introduction is literally "to the world" and they have members from like 8 countries for a reason
couldnt have said it any better 👏👏👏
Luiza YUP 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
exactly. They want to expand into different markets, and there's nothing wrong with that. Bris is only stating that they wisely came out w an english song to appeal to the US market, and that BTS' impact on the US market has paved that way and allowed NCT to release this bop without it being such a huge shock, like, 'wtf is this, korean music?' - everyone will already know about the kpop scene and won't be in shock - that's BTS' impact.
You’re so right in so many levels 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@@iiTrendyz true true. they were supposed to focus on the chinese market first with the debut of the china unit but i guess they changed their plans 'last minute' to get that ride to the usa. very smart!
He really did a whole ass theory on why nct did an English version,,,I have to laugh.
HHAHAHAHAHHAHA ME TOO 😂😂
he should have just stopped at the reaction
He should have done research before saying all this stupid shit.
The whole reason NCT was created was to take their music into other countries. They talked about doing English music before the BTS mania started. It's something SM has been doing for years. They really started it with Super Junior and having a Mandarin sub unit and bringing in Henry who they attempted to push solo. However, that didn't work out to well because SM wouldn't let Henry do Henry. But SM has been releasing music in English for years. The next push into other countries was with Exo where they had Exo-K and Exo-M. They were trying to push more into the Chinese market. At the same time Girl's Generation was gaining a following in the US which lead to them releasing English songs. Then EXO's popularity rose worldwide and they realized with the right guys they could go global. That's why they have such a diverse group. You have Mark and Johnny both from North America. You have Yuta from Japan. You have Ten from Thailand. Then you've got Lucas, Winwin, Renjun, Chenle and Kun from China. The plan is to continue to add members to make the group more diverse. There have been apparently been talks of NCT having a group for major music market which would include America. This was something SM has been planning for years. They had Bo.a release a complete English album which the main single actually charted in the US and was used in movies. So, honestly, BTS isn't breaking down doors, they're walking through ones that were already quietly opened.
Jordan Galdeano GIRL PREACHHHH 💚my boys didn’t work their ass off to be compared to other artists making them feel unappreciated. When I saw them looking so excited after FaceTiming their faves and looking fresh in the red carpet, i was sooo happy but seeing this theory of them basically using BTS fame to promote themselves in the US hurt me. If they saw this type of shit, man...
.... hee... Did I miss something? What music? SM focus is to expand, simple, they dont have a personal signature, aporting what? foreing producers, diferent lenguajes, diferent nationalities, is not original is aiming for success, nothing wrong with that tbh.
If SM was more organic in the proces for what they are traying to archive... I will be rocking sooooo hard with them, but nop, the food is dry
@@rm-nn3869 how is it not organic? None of kpop is organic to be up front. It's all manufactured. You put through a training system that's run like a machine. The way SM does it is no different from any other entertainment company. NCT isn't being pushed on anyone though. Their following has grown in the US like crazy over the past year. They've done multiple events in the US and they planned on doing an English song from the beginning. The boys hinted at it already. Plus Ten already came out with an English song.
@@rm-nn3869 man u don't have taste then😂😂
I thank you for this
Looks like everyone forgot the Lee Sooman powerpoint presentation LMFAO
lmao he worked so hard on that powerpoint presentation :( !
Idol groups have been releasing English versions of their songs for ages. It's for their non-korean fans to be able to appreciate the song more. No theories are needed, it isn't so deep.
Lo thank you ! Got7 released 5 different versions and they aren't getting hate (which they don't deserve anyway) so why should nct get treated like this
Say that again for the people in the back lol
@@bananaku because antis hate the biggest company SM
Getting hate means that they're getting big , the insecure and the jealousy (trying to think positively lol)
it even makes more sense bcs nct is meant to be global - they should be releasing music in kor, thai, japan, eng, etc
what are all the foreign members for?
people forget that the concept of nct is to be a global group, with units scattered across several countries, this shit is so tiring
Gabriele Furtado
Yea they made many other languages songs/version other than English like Chinese Japanese Thai.Why people need to be dramatic when it’s English
I don’t think he knows hat🤔😂 he just needs to do like research before he says some of the stuff he says😢😭
Even their slogan is 'to the world'
Gabriele Furtado people don't take the time to actually learn about NCTs concept
loved your reaction and respect your theory but nct themselves explained why they made an english version of this song lol its literally their concept that's why they have chinese, japanese and thai versions of their songs and bts had nothing to do with it bc sm released english versions of songs even before bts debuted
Exactly!!! For example SNSD had English version of The boys since 2011
They even had thailand ver. (Baby don't stop)
he speaks and really he doesn't know anything about sm and kpop history. The whole word is not about bts
@@julianazubieta1134 Yes. And it is so annoying. Like, get yourself a pizza and sit tf down Susan!!! 😩😩😩
He's been doing that since he started doing reactions...Hes always Comparing EVERY FUCKING GROUP To BTS! It's getting really annoying. I'm an ARMY Myself but I don't go around saying BTS Did that first or did this first when they obviously didn't. He needs to do some proper research before talking shit
Lee Sooman didn't put a long ass concept presentation about NCT and how they will be globally diverse since even before NCT debut (2016) to ppl assume that they make an english version song just because bts made it to US. Dude, SM plan it since forever ago.
Additional comment: SM been making a english version of their song long time ago. TVXQ got an english version song on 2004 fgs
Every SM artist has had an English song, even The Eve by EXO was originally intended to be English from the demo by Henry
Dont forget about BoA, the real queen of kpop. She promote herself in America almost 5 years plus a English album
deasrh people seem to not realize how long SM has been around...like they have been doing this for over 20 years the stuff that's popular in kpop now most likley SM has been there done that it's nothing new for them
THE QUEEN ICE YASSS
Yeah, snsd make an english song too, SNSD - The boys english ver
"You better watch yourself, I did it all by myself" - Mark Lee
Just saying
Nice one😌😌💚💚
BTS PAVED THE FUCKKKKKKING WAY😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@akashsable7616 bro no one askeddddddddddd
@@kdramacrazy94 i am just saying 🙂
@@kdramacrazy94 the whole mess going around this comment section , makes me laugh 😆
Don't wanna be triggered but please do a research before you say something. It's not that hard because Google is free. "To the world, this is NCT" is not only sentence and formality but it has meaning. The project team has been working hard thinking about NCT's concept long long before their debut.
!!!!!! Thanks for saying it
There really isn't anything to be triggered about he never really said anything negative about nct
@@Brixboba Yes, he didn't. But the way he said something without knowing the whole concept is not good in some way. That's his opinion, that's why I advice him to look for Google about NCT rather than guessing.
@@heavenserenade7041 okay if he still does a background check on nct he can still have the same opinion because nothing he said was wrong
Nothing against the group, is the company Im not in to, just no
Nct is going to be big just watch
HUNTER RE’ preach !!!!
Biiitch preach👅🤘🏽
PREACHHH
ikr its gonna be 21 members😂 jk FACTS thoo
Yeah they're going to have 30 members or something haha xD
Okay i stop.. I also think they're gonna make it big
Brother, we all knew lmao We all knew NCT is going for the Western Market and that's not a surprise. NCT was origninally created to promote in every bloody country. Which is why we have those subunits. They want to promote in Korea, China, Japan, Amercia and they will be after Latin based countries, trust me, NCT WILL also release Spanish songs in the future. LOOK OUT FOR THAT. Since BTS opened the door unexpectedly, SM naturally was quick to put business there. After all, you CAN'T open the door if someone else did it for you (NCT debuted in 2016, mind you) so they took the oppountiy that presented itself in front of them. Gotta make it while it's still trendy. It's definitely a smart move and since they have 3 fluent English speakers, the opporunity is A LOT EASIER.
When a unicorn farted, Lay existed agreed but BTS wasn't the first one to go to the US and be big. just gonna state that. but since BTS is trending now so yeah
@@youseethisitslegend7552 nahh BTS' success in America is different to wonder girls, psy etc. success because in contrast to them BTS was able to get there and they stayed.
yeah... new kpopies just dunno how SM works...just we SMstan knw so well SM has planed NCT in many music market since before 2016, when they debuted, i see clearly... the vibes of their songs so different...if we compared the latest SM groups...like EXO for example...their setting market is Asian...but they can even have a big fanbases in europe n US too..and bfore bts, EXO already set many records like their american tour started early 2016, thats a big deal yow since SM never promote EXO bside Asia. NCT is the newest concept in KPOP...So, i really anticipate them so much now.
just saying but: nct, as a whole, has 5 fluent english speakers. johnny, ten, jaehyun, mark, lucas.
The problen NCT has is the rotation and the feeling of fabrication
*Lol, im dissapointed im sorry.*
people should stop comparing NCT to others.
*NCT **_is_** NCT..*
Periodt 👏🏻
BTS PAVED THE FUCKKKKKKING WAY, JUST TO KNOW 😎😎😎😎🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@akashsable7616 irrelevant.
@@akashsable7616 gangnam style did it first
and yass, nct is nct!
@@akashsable7616 they r overrated (nowadays) , i mean their korean songs were way better than their english ones. dont get me wrong but if you listen to fake love and than you listen to butter or PTD, you can just tell the difference!
Can i just say having an english song isnt just for America like nearly the whole world can speak english now days so its not just for America. NCT said they want to be able to have a song for their international fans. Like can y'all stop saying bts this bts that like just be grateful that kpop is getting bigger. Like bro
I had been looking for a comment like this. Why are Americans so self-centered?! (Says the Chilean living in America)
I understand your point of view, but there's so much you still don't know about NCT and SM. Regardless of whether BTS blew up in America or not, SM would have still released an english version. SM planned everything out already. Many of NCT's song have been worked on for YEARS. For example, NCT has been practicing black on black for like 2 years before it got released. And in this regular-irregular album, we have received many previews of multiple tracks in the past already. SM don't care about what other groups are doing. They're just going at their pace. If they really did care, they wouldn't have kept promoting NCT when other big groups are promoting so they could win some music shows. Also NCT was designed to go global. Before BTS even got famous in America, SM revealed their plans of globalization. Even NCT's music was designed to cater to western tastes which we saw with 7th sense and onwards.
EXACTLY
Hmm yeah SM is greedy and wants more money out their artist
Preach 😭😭😭this saddens me that many discredit nct without trying to dig into it further. I believe nct's concept was made even before the announcement of the first smrookies on 2013, SM knows what theyve been doing. Theyre professionals at that. And its way waaaay before bts hit big in US. i have so much respect with bts, but saying that "bts paved the way so others could enter the market a lot easier", im sorry? Mark didnt go from canada to korea at his teenage days and get lack of sleep to be disrespected like this. And so other members of nct they have worked so hard.
"SM dont care about what other groups are doing" YOO I LIVE FOR THIS COMMENT
zz vv right? I mean yeah bts sucsess in america made it easier for other artists to get big and im happy for them, but why is that peopls only focus right now and why is everyone acting like america is the center of the world, its just an english song, why do people have to make such a big drama out of it?
They’ve done Chinese, Thai, Japanese, korean and now English. Its not that deep. They have members from all over the world and Lee soman did a presentation about Nct in the very beginning of 2016. This concept of spreading their music all around the world was made probarly years before Lee Soman introduced Nct’s concept in 2016.
They’re promoting in the US now that’s why they released an English version! And they are invited to perform on Jimmy Kimmel!
Germaine Angela Reyes no one said they were invited lol.
They are being invited for Jimmy Kimmel, and Michael Jackson tribute show too. Booommmmm
@@Jh-ls4zo lol. they are invited to perform on Jimmy Kimmel
@@Jh-ls4zo you missed the latest news lmao 😂
Naomi Kom they didn’t say invited. They said they were going. It really makes a difference from invited to paying to get on the show lol.
Im living for this new genre that nct tried out
look i know you are a hardcore army.... but every time a kpop artist makes a breakthrough in the usa, bts will be the only name mentioned. nct should not be associated with bts at all. they have extremely different music styles and are nothing alike. plus lee sooman, the creator of sm entertainment, had already described a global concept for nct back in 2016. bts really shouldn't get credit for paving the way for nct or whatever. nct was going to promote in america whether bts did or not. that being said im not a bts hater. im not an army, but i am a fan and do love their music a lot :)
yessssss!!!
Yes and bts wasn't even that popular in America in 2016
Aelin Galathynius yeah it was around 2017 when they got popular. Bris can’t say anything because he jumped on the Kpop bandwagon as soon as BTS blew up and now he has the audacity to say BTS paved the way for NCT like no bris do more research before dragging other groups into your stupid theories.
Yeaaaa, lets shout this so that it would hit their eardrum for real.
What are you saying? If you've ever seen the Interviews, NCT stated that they look up to BTS and Exo. Along with BigBang. You're trying to start fan wars, so please don't say ignorant things.
BTS did give the longest lasting impression on the US but NCT isn't trying to copy that. The entire concept of NCT from the beginning was taking over different music charts all over the world. That's how the concept was proposed and presented as. I actually think EXO was a failed experiment with the subunit concept (not saying they themselves are a failure, I love them and they are extremely successful, but the concept didn't work out).
K-pop groups always release different versions of their songs (ex. Japanese versions, Thai version of BDS, Chinese versions, etc.). I feel like a lot of people are being really pissy about the English version, more so than the others. Idk why. Does music have to not be in a language you don't understand to be enjoyable? Is that why people don't care about the Japanese or Thai versions?
Agreed.
in case u didnt know, when nct debuted back in 2016, lee soo man (the creator) said it loud and clear, his idea for nct's concept was to create a worldwide group not a kpop group and thats when he introduced the concept of expanding group (unlimited members) thats whu they have (americans and canadians) english speakers, chinese members, japanese thai, and koreans, and as far as i can remember bts wasnt yet that popular in the usa back in 2016, so please pple stop these silly speculations and conclusions...
Well said, girl 🤟
No offense but there is no need to have a "theory" for why they have English version. They have already stated why they did. NCT are meant to be globally diverese they've been putting out Chinese and Japanese songs for a long time and they are starting to root out to english as well because they have English speaking members. NCT had this Global concept since 2016.
Also BTS weren't the first groups to go big in America there was Girls Generation, Psy (which you mentioned), Wonder Girls and Bigbang. They were huge and built up the popularity little by little which helped BTS go out on an even larger scale. My theory is from all the impact of previous artists, NCT will be bigger than ever.
But this is definitley not triggering lmao idk why people would be mad at your opinion
so bts achieved what it achieved because of big bang wonder girls psy? let's not kid ourselves
Dont forget super junior with sorry2
I think he's trying to say Bts had made the biggest massive impact and influence. Because of that..now kpop groups are being interviewed. Kard, twice, Ailee, big names have thanked Bts for paving the way for kpop in the U.S. Other groups have mentioned this too..including Monsta X.
NOt to take away from other groups achievements because they always worked hard too. And NCT deserves all that comes their way.
Just staying Bts name will surely come up because of what they had done in U.S and how they made kpop really bring attention to the market.
Chetna kard & nct been over here before social award thingy....kard been in L.A almost more than they been in Korea since debut & nct is global concept....
Sana Yunus It would have been a lot harder for BTS to achieve what they have today in the West if it weren’t for older groups helping spread k-pop to a wider audience around the world.
nct are about to advance in the western market and it is a right timing, but the global concept was announced back in 2016 even before the first unit debuted. I get what you're saying but it's not really about busting down doors, it's just about raising a supportive fandom before advancing and nct127 is just two years old so they took their time, you get what I mean? if you think about it bts did not really busted doors down, they conquered a position that will bring people to compare everyone to them so I would like this mindset to be dropped, kpop bands hold concerts in the states since years and even if they only did for their fandoms it's okay, kpop is just good and needs to break stereotypes, each band helps in the way it can.
yes thank you for saying it
Thank you so much for this
Just like GOT7 did...BTS and GOT7 basically showed what kpop is and what kpop idols are capable of creating (through their huge fanbases) a good reputation so other smaller groups can come and not be completely ignored
Thank you for this
Yes educate him sis!
Came here for a NCT reaction and all I could hear was how great BTS is.
They don't deserve this. Im disappointed :(((
i'm disappointed
😭😭
came back to this video and just get disappointed every time
I so agree with you
i'm sorry but stop mentioning BTS in every kpop group that promote in america. a LOT of kpop groups had english version of their song and got interviewed on american talkshow before bts.
we have to admit that bts made a very big impression on american market, but say that they paved the way for another group is wrong.
SNSD, 2NE1, Big Bang, the legend PSY, and many more made people curious about the kpop and then BTS came and the fan base made a very great job promoting them so they becoming like this.
you better watch NCT introduction video where Lee Soo Man explained about NCT and their vision with the group, you will understand that with or without BTS's success on America, they will still promote there.
caesar novaldy To pave the way is to 1st break records an to make history... No one remembers the ones that did not make history and did not break records... Honestly what does BTS have to do to get respect from South Korea win a grammy... how about having the first American Stadium concert with 42 thousand people or being interviewed at the Grammy museum... come on you hate them bc there not your group but respect them at least...
@@isszzy1208 Isabel Diaz i really don't hate bts, i just hate the people that saying bts is the only kpop group that made it to US, the only group that pave the other group way to america.
there are many famous kpop group in america before bts, and then you say "to pave the way is to make history, no one remembers the one that did not make history"? wow such an ignorant, research more. you told me to respect bts but you did not respect senior groups that made hallyu wave to the US.
+Isabel Diaz "no one remembers the ones that did not make history" -NO. The only ones who don't remember are armies b/c most armys are KPOP NEWBIES. Further more most army's live in their bts bubble, so they will never know. Even your faves bts remembers them, LOL. Army's don't want to acknowledge bts seniors..but you want fans from a junior groups to acknowledge yours?? No common sense.
Grecia Castro we do but at the end of the day the ones that break threw to help globalize k pop are the ones that will never be forgotten...
Isabel Diaz exactly no one has forgotten Big Bang, Psy, GG, BoA, EXO...the new Kpoppies are the ones who don’t know shit. BTS made the list so be proud instead of making up shit. I’m actually a fan of BTS but new fans need to realize that everything isn’t about BTS. the people who have been in into Kpop for a while will always remember how Big Bang made a huge impact as well as other artists...even of we personally don’t like it.
NCT had a global concept from the start though, why ya'll gotta bring bts everywhere
Amna Siddique bc that’s the newcomers way into these groups. that should be enough proof. a lot of new fans didn’t know about these other groups until BTS, I think that says a lot. Not putting down other groups bc I absolutely love NCT, but OG kpoppies need to understand that new fans found their way in by BTS. That’s why we say that BTS knocked the door down, bc like, for some of us they really did 🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
Amna Siddique new
Fans don’t know anything but them smh
right this had latterly been NCT's concept form the very beginning they were going to come out with English music eventually even if k pop became well known here or not.
Because they're everywhere lol
I am army and I relate🙄
NCT whole concept is about being worldwide. There’s going to be an NCT China, Latin America, Thailand and Japan at some point. This has been placed before NCT debuted. Yeah is it happening at the same time of BTS and it does really help. But I don’t think it because of them either. Plus SM artists have precious put out English versions on their songs
Mia Signorita Mia Signorita i agree with you but i think sm think about this kind of project since 2006-2007 they really want to do this concept for a long time. At first NCT concept was Super junior concept ,at first Super junior was called super junior 2006 and the member could gratitude from the group and sm could add member too. but they couldn’t do this because E.L.F against this. at first SJ had 12 members and then they added Kyuhyun and he got a ton of hate until he got a big car accident by anti, so they stop hate on him and then sm added 2 member into sj-m again (Henry and Zhoumi) they get a ton hate because a lot of Fan (not ALL OF THEM) OT13 in SJ and Super junior have a lot of sub unit like Super junior happy, Super junior M , Super junior KRY. And in the past , there was a rumor that sm try to add Chinese member in TVXQ and divine them to sub unit to promote in Japan and China *this rumor was about 10 years ago, i can not remember clearly but it already had, but they cannot do this because fan against them too . And atfer TVXQ SJ era,they try this kind of concept again by demonstrate with exo by divine them in two sub unit- exo k and exo m like when the time that they promote MAMA, Mia Signorita i agree with you but i think sm think about this kind of project since 2006-2007 they really want to do this concept for a long time. At first NCT concept was Super junior concept ,at first Super junior was called super junior 2006 and the member could gratitude from the group and sm could add member too. but they couldn’t do this because E.L.F against this. at first SJ had 12 members and then they added Kyuhyun and he got a ton of hate until he got a big car accident by anti, so they stop hate on him and then sm added 2 member into sj-m again (Henry and Zhoumi) they get a ton hate because a lot of Fan (not ALL OF THEM) OT13 in SJ and Super junior have a lot of sub unit like Super junior happy, Super junior M , Super junior KRY. And in the past , there was a rumor that sm try to add Chinese member in TVXQ and divine them to sub unit to promote in Japan and China *this rumor was about 10 years ago, i can not remember clearly but it already had, but they cannot do this because fan against them too . And atfer TVXQ SJ era,they try this kind of concept again by demonstrate with exo by divine them in two sub unit- exo k and exo m like the time that they promote mama, the sub unit only sing in their own unit language. Sm try to bring kpop to the local market for a long time and in every country not only in USA , ps i write this from opinion and sorry for suck english but i want to explain this, so please don’t hate nct because sm promote them hard, SM grab very chance that they receive from every country even it’s small or big country, now SM sign project with many local company in Asia to make NCT in each country. And now, NCT already had Song in 4 languages Korean,Chinese(im not sure that they work together local company or found their own company in China)Japanese(they work with Avex ent)Thai (they work with True Corp. and creat company in thailand call SMTrue) and English is the fifth language that they made song. NCT is one of the big expectation that SM want to see this concept successful because they want to do this for a long time but they can’t. They put everything into them put a sloving problem about their group in the past and everything that they want to do but they can’t not do. I hope a lot of people in usa will welcome and support them too :3 the sub unit only sing in their own unit language. Sm try to bring kpop to the local market for a long time and in every country not only in USA , ps i write this from opinion and sorry for suck english but i want to explain this, so please don’t hate nct because sm promote them hard, SM grab very chance for NCT that they receive from every country even it’s small or big country, now SM sign project with many local company in Asia to make NCT in each country. And now, NCT already had Song in 4 languages Korean,Chinese(im not sure that they work together local company or found their own company in China)Japanese(they work with Avex ent)Thai (they work with True Corp. and creat company in thailand call SMTrue) and English is the fifth language that they made song. NCT is one of the big expectation that SM want to see this concept successful because they want to do this for a long time but they can’t. They put everything into them put a sloving problem about their group in the past and everything that they want to do but they can’t not do. I hope a lot of people in usa will welcome and support them too :3
NCTOHO I love your dedication. What a true NCTzen. To the world, we are NCTzen 💚
winter cinders thank you 🙏 ,let’s walk together with nct💚💚💚
NCTOHO Thank you for the explanation! We can thank Super Junior for the concept :) I’m sure that NCT will be well received by the world ( I’m speaking this into existence)
I’d be more willing to be more agreeable with your point if SM hadn’t had groups release songs in English for years and if NCT’s entire concept wasn’t to have units that were accessible to all parts of the world.
Thai Munoz and if nct didn't have English speakers🤙
yah i agree... what's the purpose of foreign swaggers... duh...
I’d like to drop my thoughts into this since we in a discussion. Head’s up: Long read. Just my opinion.
I agree that BTS broke down the door and left an impression in the US. They're not going anywhere for sure. Why go when you’re doing well, right? BUT. It didn’t mean they “paved the way”. It’s 2 different things. Paving the way means making room for what’s to come, to make sure the future’s accepted, impact not really required. Breaking the door means arriving with impact. Senior artists like Psy, Big Bang, SuJu, EXO, etc paved the way for years, performing even if no one knew them. And yes, BTS broke the door…for THIS generation of Kpop. Just this one. Who originally did years ago when none minded or knew about Kpop? BoA, who singlehandedly showed up at MTV awards at a young age and made people interested. Let’s be clear on that.
If BoA and other senior groups “paved the way” why didn’t they make an impact like BTS? They did but it’s about society, trend, and general/personal interest. Let’s be honest here, 80% of Kpop fans now weren’t there during the boom of Kpop in Asia and bits of Europe and US. Hell, I bet only few knew about Monster X and GOT7 taking Europe by storm. It’s been there for decades but no one noticed because society thought it’s simply not mainstream. Back then, people liked disco, metal, rnb, etc. but nowadays, people don’t make those music as much anymore because simply, it’s not the trend. So BTS came at the right time, being digitally active and their songs being on trend. This made people interested. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not comparing BoA, Psy, and BTS. They’re completely different leagues. I’m just saying they sparked curiosity like the rest. The big “who are you”. But, it didn’t mean BTS paved the way just because other groups are trying to promote in the US now. Many have before. Y’all just didn’t see that because you weren’t interested. Yet.
Maybe for most of fans now, BTS “paved the way” for Kpop FOR YOU. Because they helped you learn about Kpop but that doesn’t give y’all rights to think they’re superior above all else. Again, for YOU not everyone else. They’re in one industry amongst many other artists doing the same agenda, make Kpop known. (unless y’all still stick to that “btspop” shit then I have no words for you)
Now for Bris, I wish this video was more NCT related (like about their song, the concept, the effects, their choreo, aesthetic, etc) because it is an NCT127 reaction video but I get the build up. I wish you highlighted NCT’s impact rising first then connected BTS. It’s all in choice of flow…like rapping. NCT is charging to the top to follow EXO’s impact and SM’s legacy not just in a smart way but in a strategic way made years ago before they debuted. Their concept wasn’t original. From what I heard, it was supposed to be SuJu’s concept of having unlimited members, promoting globally, etc. This has been a goal of SM years ago but it failed. They kept trying. They almost did it with EXO but they became something different entirely. NCT was their key with a solid concept of unlimited members from all over the world, promoting globally, using their diversity to reach many audiences. Releasing an English song shouldn’t be surprising if you guys knew the true concept of the group. They’ve been collaborating with western artists for months, years already. Of course most don’t know that since you weren’t interested in the first place. Some just stumbled over the video.
Bottom line is, no one can say someone “paved the way” when they’re the trend now. History will determine that; years of activity will support that. This is undermining the efforts of the senior groups, especially SOLOISTS, that helped promote Kpop around the world before your faves debuted or became known. You can’t say baseless things when your interest and awareness just sparked recently. Learn how things got there. It’s not about rivalry because some will go on top and some won’t. Just listen and enjoy music, your faves. Why do y’all always have to connect one to another single time just because it’s “like” this and that? They could have the same genre, same influences but in the end, they’re all different.
Ara Dungo omg truth and I don’t think they broke down doors tho. The door was opened by those people in the past, however, they used those doors to present themselves in a way other groups haven’t and I think that made an impact.
Not only that, but back then sns wasn't as big as it is now, the internet I believe was non existent too, no twitter, no insta, no UA-cam, etc..But BoA was there hustling alone.
@@greciacastro9020 and it makes her all the more awesome. New groups went viral because of the internet, but boa is a legend because she succeeded without it
People act as if soloists and girl groups dont exist.
I remember seeing a clip where BoA explained her hardships in promoting and her jealousy over how easy kpop idols these days have it...
She even said that she picked up the language the hard way and because they didn’t have translators before...
She even said how they didn’t have private vehicles and she had to take the train because taxis are too expensive....
it made me sad too because you can clearly see that she had to do everything by herself and learn everything by herself while promoting in a foreign country... She even said ppl thought she was a local so that was harder...
so for me I think she’s really one of the idols who Paved the way...
cuz I remember them joking about how she built one of SM’s building and how Growl built like another SM’s(?) building...
when I read that... that’s when I realise they really were the first to endure the hardships and to pave the way for new artists....
This is just my opinion so yeah
Yall still dont get NCTs concept, do yall?
They were literally created to go global, thats their whole concept, but go off I guess
Lets just all agree that kpop is taking over
It could be worse, Logan & Jake Paul could take over again
CallMe_ Mya they’re still doing UA-cam? I thought they’d me gone by now
CallMe_ Mya I think the fuck not, that ignorant prick is not going to be famous again because he did enough for people to hate him. Jake was aggressive towards girls, he was cheating on his girlfriends I don’t think that people are going to like him or Logan again..
jay toves they are on UA-cam but they don’t have a good reputation at all
*NCT's ENTIRE concept has been about being international, that was SM's whole plan from the start, from their trainee days.* I mean, their introduction is "To the World, hello, we are NCT" and they have more foreign members than not, like.....bts isnt the reason kpop groups are targeting this market. They have always tried to expand kpop, which was created as an export, a part of the Hallyu wave. SM uses his group Super Junior to target Latin America and has done so for many years with their spanish style songs
Is easy to see what they are traying to do, but lacks organic process, is to much business business concept
bts is expanding kpop music and sm is using nct for business, you see the difference?
im literally living for this NCT!! 2019 is gonna be their year
I agree!!! Im so hyped for what's coming😄
Cierra Dudley Fr
2018 already be their year yeeeah
YES PLEASE
Cierra Dudley 2018 has already been their year, now they’re coming for 2019✊🏻 so proud of them💚
Something else I need to point out and say... people have made a big deal about BTS touring the US arenas. That's something Big Bang, Shinee, Super Junior and Exo have already done. Big Bang sold out Prudential and the Staples center. The reason BTS is such a big deal is because of how much social media has grown and their social media presence. Big Bang wasn't as active on social media as BTS because they were doing so much more and didn't care about any of that.
EXACTLY!!! I love an intellectual.
I'm mean were gonna see who's gonna be more popular cause when bigbang comeback it will be time for BTS to start going sadly, but big bang already got connections in america, (pharrel,Ariana grande, and more)
Jordan Galdeano exactly like BTS was first known for their social media award not music .Literally everyone forgets that and too me that's why NCT clearly is better in how they were noticed in America first it was for their ALBUM THAT HAS ONLY ONE ENGLISH SONG they may noticed that one song but on Jimmy Kimmel and others cherry bomb even come back Korean songs were notice so how can you assume some on first based on a media award to some one noticed for a whole ass album plus a English song is good to compare or say is better
PREACH!
Timo B um no I I’m not saying NCT is better than BTS in a music stance I mean in a way of coming to America they weren’t put in here through a social media award it was for there music.An it doesn’t matter on the timing , your taking what I was saying out of context and if that’s your opinion it’s ok.But please don’t twist my words to make it seem like I’m a biased Koop fan I’m actually a multi Stan but I have opinion on all my special groups just cause I say one thing on them don’t mean I’m biased more to another.
Why does Western media automatically mean "mainstream" lol nct are a gobal group they are literally meant to be all around the world because of their concept
SM ent. aren't in Big3 for nothing. There're some really smart people in this company who makes NCTs promotion in right way
Dinara Berbekova SM is the biggest entertainment, what are you talking about?
Of course it is and my words doesn't exclude that SM is the biggest from Big3, I just say it in other way because it wasn't the main idea
Dinara Berbekova Oh, okay... I’m sorry. 🤦🏻♂️
But they only promote who they want to promote while leaving older groups on hiatus for too long :(
@@Feathertail2205 that's a sad truth 😑 But I kind of understand - they need to create a new top group before the other goes to hiatus. This is a business
1. “BTS busted down the door” “they created the vibe” I love BTS with my whole heart and soul they are the first group I’ve ever listened to when it comes to Kpop and I consider myself an army but pls STOP I beg STOPPPPPP comparing NCT and other groups to BTS !!! it can come off very disrespectful. BTS has nothing to do with NCT dropping an English track. NCT have made it clear from the beginning before BTS got big and before the sub unit debuted that they were trying to focus on the global audience especially since NCT 127 and NCT as a whole are from many different countries. Also if you think about it, BTS did not pave the way or bust doors open for anyone since there were many groups before that had the same effect, you just weren’t in the kpop scene at that time. EXO, BIGBANG, H.O.T AND many more I can’t name have all had such a big impact globally it wasn’t just BTS. anyways I’m getting off track. I’m just tryna say I don’t get what NCT releasing an English track has to do with BTS or any other groups. It’s honestly amazing how army’s can’t react to another group without comparing.
That is true and all. But has these groups sold out citi field? have they achieved literally the level of influence and success that BTS coming from a SMALL company has? Have they made EVERY single talk show want them? It's hard to face the truth but BTS did in fact pave the way for KPOP. They were not the first artists no, but they are the MOST known kpop artist apart from PSY. I love NCT 127, but they are definitely trying to be more westernized with the song, it's a good song but it's nothing new. We hear these type of musics all the time, even the music videos aren't different. There is not much originality there. I just think people should be allowed to give credit where credit is due. NCT 127 would not be going to the AMA's or on Jimmy Kimmel if it wasn't for BTS sorry. If EXO, BIGBANG, H.O.T and those others you named had paved the way, why weren't more kpop groups requested all over the world? on talk shows? It's not comparing the groups but just looking at facts and statistics.
Were these kpop groups you speak of getting a letter from the Korean government? Were they getting presented with a Cultural Merit? I don't believe so. Yes they've had a global impact but to what extent? I just don't understand how hard it is for people to admit that BTS busted their ass and weren't even COLLECTIVELY trying to pursue the western industry, and still aren't to this day however, SM does do the most with their artists, and it even shines through with NCT 127's twitter. Your faves would not be recognized as much if BTS did not indeed PAVED THE WAY with their meaningful message throughout their songs, which........well I'm not going to finish that sentence. Plus 95% of new fans come from hearing about BTS. But keep being indenial about BTS's influence and impact. Not to say that BTS is better than the other kpop artists but they deserve to be recognized for their hardwork from 2010 till now.
the facts that Armys like to bragging about BTS on other groups and spamming whenever their doing promotion in U.S is being disrespectful towards other artist, and their hard work as well. BTS themselves are humble, but those so called "fan" keep gaining antis for them should reconsider themselves.
I’ve never spammed on any other groups about bts. In fact this is the first time of me even commenting on something because I couldn’t hold my tongue. Army’s spamming other videos are indeed very disrespectful and make our fandom look bad. There’s nothing wrong with bragging about their success however, because army’s are so damn proud especially with the amount of hurdles they had to go through. Excessive bragging though and shitting on other groups is what’s not tolerated.
And that's exactly what most of immatures Army are doing right now by shitting and doubting about other's group successful, and let me tell you something, BTS doesn't have antis, Army just "paved" the way for them.
nct always pop off like they have such a bright future
bts has nothing to do with nct releasing an English song. It's their concept to release music in different languages focusing on different countries (English, Japanese, Chinese etc), which is why nct have subunits (with nct china coming soon).
Not everything relates to bts.
Some facts. Back in the day INFINITE, Wonder girls, Shinee and others were also being interviewed and going on shows in the US. Also, this is not the first time a kpop group has an english song as a title, SNSD did it with "The Boys" and Wonder Girls with "Like Money".
ninoshka ureña and got7 did it not long ago with lullaby
Yes! And so did Big Bang's Taeyang, and 2NE1.
Sweetie let me tell you something,in 2016 Lee sooman did a whole fuckin 36 mins introducing Neo Culture Technology where the concept is invading the world having members from many countries so this was the concept that the group debuted with way before BTS even be big in Korea so please as u ppl just get into kpop cuz of bts pls don't say things u don't understand cuz u are ruining K-pop that we loved for years,thank you
ua-cam.com/video/Ky5NvWsXnn8/v-deo.html everybody say thank you Lee sooman for this amazing introduction to the international group NCT
@Bary Tarek, say it louder! Thank you!
SAY IT LOUDER BABE💘💘
the last sentence :" please bring the time back to 2009-2014. is it the good time guys?
YES I WAS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO SAY IT
why y'all gotta bring Bts into everything smh
But i think he didn't lie.. I mean Bts did make America more interrested in Kpop
+Aliii_ Rxsa what does that have to do with NCT??! let them have their own moment
@@Themoonlight99 Yeah that's true.. And I wasn't the one who started to talk about bts calm down
Have a good night!
There will always be comparisons. May as well get used to it since it won't change. People like to compare everything.
Yeah honestly, I'm not claiming the fandom anymore. I'm too old for this nonsense, back in feb 2014
. it was so nice and peaceful
Just because NCT and many other groups are making songs in English doesn’t mean they are copying BTS... many armys assume that BTS was the first to make songs in English but that’s not true what so ever... NCT just had an amazing comeback and people should appreciate the quality of this comeback, not try and put them down because they are “copying” BTS... please don’t compare groups to other groups that’s how fan wars happen... BTS was not the first to make a song in English, sure they have been successful in the West... but many groups have had a lot of success in the West as well (example Got7 just had a huge world tour that sold out)... next time don’t compare groups and enjoy they songs that these artists put in the work for.. thank you
I'm an ARMY and even I don't understand how some people can say that this is a copycat situation. BTS literally does not have any original music in English. They have done cover songs in English, but as far as their own music, no. There is no way that NCT can be copying on that basis alone. I think it is strategic and smart for SM to ride the high of this wave of interest in kpop stateside. They would be absolutely foolish not to market their global, multinational group created for international expansion, to the largest global music market. What BTS has done is bring kpop a second time around to a large amount of people who did not fall into the hallyu wave when groups like BigBang and SNSD helped spread it. Kpop at that time only stayed within the kpop community for many years. Whether people are actively listening to BTS like true kpop fans or not, they are at least familiarizing people with the terms "kpop" and "BTS". It's hard to escape them even when you aren't actively searching for them. Their achievements give way for other groups to be successful as well and I am in full support of that!!!
If people talk about groups copying bts... Well, there's a reason why I never really get into bts, and that's because they remind me too much of bap sometimes
Just wanted to say that I've been in korea for the past two months and... tbh bts isn't even that big compared to other bands? They're basically on the same level as most other big kpop bands here
Which is refreshing bc I've been into kpop since before they even debuted and it's nice to finally see variety
In America all you hear about is bts and if you've been a kpop fan for a while you know that they didn't even lay the groundwork for kpop to move outside Korea
And they've even said that in interviews but they get all the credit like wtf
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate bts
To me they're just any other band
I don't like them, I don't dislike them
But their fans are making so hard for me to keep it that way
It would be good to quote what they said on interviews to show it to some people's faces that love to degrade/ belittle other groups.
YES. I haven't been to korea but my Korean friends said that bts is on the same level as other kpop groups in korea. She said the hype exists internationally. She told me people in her school (and she's in middle school) are mostly talking about btob. In some places the hype is about some other group. We cannot even relate to how balanced and passive it is korea. They do not treat any group as gods or 'paved the way' over there.
Sorry I dont know where in Korea you were but In seoul you only see Bts and Twice on the streets in front of every store and Its true dont be delusional
And I came here expecting some mv insights/reaction about NCT just to hear about BTS. At the end of the video I was like that's it? Not triggered though. Just nothing new. Lol
Same reaction when i saw winwin having a screen time and actually singing 😂
Honestly me too I literally squealed😂
SM really did a good job in this one
We need more WinWin
@@bekind8926 who doesn't ?
we need winwin more line
I love that BTS was able to let people all over the world see that kpop is a thing, but it is starting to annoy me when I hear people saying that NCT (or other kpop groups I'm just using them as an example) are trying to steal BTS fame or copying them. BTS did this so that kpop could be more recognised, so please stop bashing other groups because they want people to hear their music as well. He didn't mention this in the video, but his words just got me thinking and I just wanted to put my opinion out there.
P. S I'm an Army and an NCTZEN, so I love both groups and many others, hope you don't get triggered.
Omg, it's about time someone said something about this...I'm agreeing with u and PREACH GURL PREACH!!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I multistan (I am an army and nctzen as well) and yoo Facts!! I hate when toxic people be like "omg you trying to be like BTS" 😪 like nooo! Other groups deserve recognition too, they are not copying nor tryna be like BTS, they have worked hard to get where they are too smh! Like this is how all fan wars start, honestly members from different groups are friends with each other, why can't we all just be happy with one another? We all trying to see all our faves succeed!
psy says hi
being a multifandom sometimes sucks when people can't appreciate this so THANK YOU
... is not the groups, but the companies they are under.
BTS had a journey with the fandom, from nobodies to legends (blocking them, opresing, you name it, the receipts are easy to find) you have a telented group with a fandom doing half of the company job, they are the ones filling the stadiums breaking records buying staff.
A company can have conections, push a group out there having a entourage planing things for years and have fair succes for it dosent mean is going to be a phenomenon. There are going to be good waves, but the tsunami is called BTS.
i see what you mean because bts broke down that door that other kpop groups and artist have been kicking at and punching at for years, but i think nct did an english version because they have english speakers and they want to appeal to more audiences around the world because they are a global group :)
PREACH
EXACTLY they even have japanese song and chinese song
Nah it's because their company wants more money. That's literally all SM cares about
lexie mo lol... every company does...
shakira asakura yah but their artists have zero creative control. They don’t care about the art at all
Got7 made a Chinese, Spanish, and English version of Lullaby. And Kard released an English version of Don't Recall. And there are plenty of other groups that have made English versions of their songs for international fans. I love Nct 127, and the other units as well, but they're not the only, first, or last group to release an English version. But regardless they're definitely aiming for the western market and I wish them the best of luck! I can't wait to see what else the come out with!
In America, people were calling NCT BTS. High key annoyed that everyone links K-pop to them. Let's recognise talent individually ☀️💚
I respect your opinion, but Big Bang and 2NE1, Shinee and Exo really busted open the doors for acceptance in the US and BTS. Granted BTS did a lot of work in Cali but the bands I mentioned previously proved that Kpop is marketable and can sell concert tickets, streaming, and units in the US. Exo charted on US charts before BTS with no English tracks. I think it's great how people respond to BTS but they were not the ones to pave this way, but they have benefited because of the early pioneers I mentioned in the beginning of this post. I came into Kpop during the 2nd Generation wave like many other American fans. A lot of newer fans came in with BTS so they aren't aware of the ground breaking work that was done before. I don't feel that newer fans should be shunned or made to feel bad. Do research for yourself so that when you speak you come from a place of knowledge and not just uninformed opinion.
Preach
PREACH IT! this comment deserves more likes
PREACH daaaaammmmmmm👐👐👐👐👐👐
THANK YOU
TTzChan99 all these bands you mentioned had the benefit of coming from one of the big 3 entertainment companies with money and resources to help them. Big three privilege. Can you name another company that has been as successful coming from a small company?
There were people that had success internationally before BTS. You seem to think they were the first kpop arists to be relevant in America when really, people in America wouldn't even be familiar with the term "kpop" if it wasn't for earlier groups and artists.
Lo Exactly. There was Girls Generation way before BTS lmao.
Ummm no one knew about other kpop groups But BTS
That's definitely not what he said
I heard about bigbang and got7 before bts here
SNSD, 2NE1 and Bigbang did this.
*All i can say Is NCT127 snapped like always😘😘😘😘😘*
bris got into kpop just few months ago and here is he saying '' bTs pAvEd ThE wAy'' boi you're cancelled
I like your reactions and all but WHY DON"T YOU EVER DO YOUR RESEARCH ON THESE GROUPS????? At least educate yourself some before you make theories and say something that makes you out to be a fool... It's all right to have theories but they have to be educated. Please research the history of Kpop and the concept of NCT as a whole.
I mean... what can we expect from someone who did, Jonghyun death tribute part1, part2, part3...
Saying that is like saying Super Junior opened doors for Latin Market
Namjoon Yeet 😂😂
Win Win had the best 3 seconds in NCT history, don’t @ me.
I'm sorry to comment here but I had to...cuz yes, I am Triggered!
Because no matter how much better other groups do in the US from now on, all the praise and appreciation is gonna go to BTS! That's one! And 2nd, this isn't the 1st time a group released an all English track however, it IS the very 1st English title track for any Korean group and No, I don't think it has anything to do with "BTS's busting down the US market door" and let's cash on this chance...SM knows that their audience has grown and luckily NCT has the quality and ability to pull new and innovative ideas! That's it! NCT worked hard for it and they shouldn't be robbed of their well deserved praise. Now, if we start to talk about who busted which door and whatnot, that's gonna start a whole different discussion (war)! So, let's just sit back and enjoy the song!
Edited : I know, I know, it's not exactly the 1st title track ever in English but it's one of the rare ones of such so...I got lazy to Google and then comment! 😁 You guys get the notion though, right?
👏
Bruh preach, u better go and do say that shit*
I think he's trying to say Bts had made the biggest massive impact and influence. Because of that..now kpop groups are being interviewed. Kard, twice, Ailee, big names have thanked Bts for paving the way for kpop in the U.S. Other groups have mentioned this too..including Monsta X.
NOt to take away from other groups achievements because they always worked hard too. And NCT deserves all that comes their way.
Just staying Bts name will surely come up because of what they had done in U.S and how they made kpop really bring attention to the market.
But it's a theory tho
I agree with you to some extent. I think people are sensitive because when bts was getting big and experimenting with music, people were very critical. Saying they were westernized, now nct came out with a full English song and it's a great song but it's no different from other songs in the west. Even the message is the same. I think people are just wondering why there is nothing being said about nct except them being iconic and different. I don't want people to hate on nct but why is bts held 2 a different standard?
This is actually the first Brisxlife video that I’ve watched in a long time... so I’m disappointed but not surprised that a lot of things haven’t changed. I came back because I wanted to give your content another chance, so please don’t think that I’m just trying to hate. I’m seriously trying to help with some constructive criticism. This is obviously your video, Brisx, so keep doing what you want... but I sincerely think you’re doing yourself and your channel a huge disservice with how you approach certain videos/reactions/topics. I’m warning you, this is an essay. Sorry, but I had to go in, guys.
Before the reaction even started, several things happened: You claim that you love NCT 127, yet you don’t mention a single reason why you would... even though there’s no shortage of reasons and that‘s generally the natural thing to do.
Then, you mention that the “interesting” thing about this song is that it’s in English. Failing to mention literally any other “interesting things” about this song or this group makes it seem like the English is the only reason why you’re excited for this. Yes, it’s very exciting that they’re trying something new but how is there nothing else worth mentioning about a new song from a group that you apparently love? And since they’ve never made an English song before, it obviously can’t be one of the reasons why you’ve already grown to love them.
Then you make it clear that you have some theory about how and why NCT 127 is entering the western market which leads the viewer on the false pretense that perhaps there’s more to your love for NCT 127 than initially meets the eye, but more on this later.
Now onto the actual reaction. Even though at one point you say that this song is good enough to break into your top ten... you barely say anything about the song itself and what makes it so good. All you pretty much say is that it is “swaggy” and a “banger”, very grand but seemingly empty surface-level comments.
Now that the reaction has ended, you’re probably going to share that theory that you were so excited about earlier. Perhaps this theory about NCT 127’s entrance into the western market will reveal to us more about your personal connection with NCT 127 as a group and as musicians.
Womp. Instead, with absolutely no further comment on the song itself, you proceed to spend half of an NCT 127 reaction video talking about BTS. Please tell me why your first instinct, and only preparation for this “theory” about NCT... was a twitter discussion about BTS? It would be like going to a bike store before going to a car dealership to buy a car... it literally makes no sense. That aside, you discussed this “NCT 127” theory at length (clearly) without even considering “NCT 127” at all. I’m not saying everyone should know everything about NCT’S concept but it’s really not that hard to look up. I swear I don’t have anything against BTS, and I’m sure their success in America isn’t entirely irrelevant, but there’s almost entirely so much more to NCT’s strategy for an American career beyond BTS’s example. Furthermore, if you knew you were going to include the “discussion” beforehand... you could’ve conducted a very basic google search before filming that would’ve showed you everything you needed to know about Lee Sooman’s désire for their global expansion.
As I mentioned earlier, you made it very clear that you always intended on bringing up some “theory” about NCT 127 entering the Western market... So when the MV ended, and you only said one sentence about the song/MV before jumping straight into the theory that turned out to just be BTS talk... it screams that you started filming this NCT 127 reaction video with BTS as your primary focus. Idk if you filmed this video knowing that NCT 127 was going to take a back seat to BTS in their own reaction video or you let it happen anyways by not noticing or fixing that in editing. Either way, it’s very disappointing low quality “business mode” prioritizing here.
Lastly, you even chose a “sub”title (try not to get TRIGGERED) that is only relevant to the half of the video that, once again pretty much has nothing to do with the NCT 127 song listed in the title. The “try not to get TRIGGERED” part even comes before the “Reaction” in the title, for goodness sakes.
Long story longer, your enthusiasm and charisma come across as pretty insincere and a lot of your content seems like crowd-pleasing smoke and mirrors. I know/hope you’re not doing this on purpose but these are just a few examples of how I think you accidentally sabotage yourself sometimes. Not only are you being quite careless with how you indirectly belittle/undervalue some Kpop artists sometimes ... but (I hope this helps you see how) you’re foregoing pretty obvious thought processes that could help you easily avoid all of this.
GURLL✨
Finally someone said it 🙏
Sooo.... When is the essay due 😂😂😂
Amen
lol stay triggered.
there are a lot of armies here who are saying that we’re just not acknowledging the fact that BTS is successful, but that is not what we’re saying. We’re just saying that BTS is in no way influencing NCT 127 to come into the American market bc NCT’s concept was global domination before BTS was even mainstream. Armies need to understand we aren’t bashing on your idols but rather we are defending ours from your fandom who don’t realize BTS does not make up the whole kpop industry.
NCT releasing a full english song isn’t new btw.......... even if it’s just one member but do you even remember that you react to NCT TEN - New Heroes? or maybe have you heard his Dream in a Dream? and FYI, SM made a worldwide concept for NCT from around 2014 (if i’m not mistaken) there will be some new NCT’s unit like NCT China, NCT Thailand, NCT Indonesia, and a lot more. they have a lot of foreign members like Canada, Japan, Chicago, China, and maybe another foreign countries for the trainees. (CMIIW)
Bris, i got your point and i appreciate your opinion but do some research for NCT so you’ll understand this “global & worldwide concept” more. It was created from a long time a go. thanks for your great reaction anyway!
*super junior - one more time*
suga theassman 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
SM be giving us 2 bops at the same time damn..
NoMin Is REAL! Dude they came at us with lay as well
@@oppopp100 Oh that shit is legendary hun He SnaTched my WiG
Hi bris, I know people free to give their opinion but just to let you know kpop 1st and 2nd generation already did that way before like suju as kwave that have their sorry sorry dance around the world, bigbang had their american tour succesfully, girl's generation even has been released their song The Boys in english ver when they got contract with us music production company and had their stage performance in madison square, GD had stage collaborated in US with Missy Elliot and had collaboration with skrillex in his music video, Psy of course we know already did the great job to open the gate, exo with their success concert in North America and their album achievement in US chart, and many thing that was happen before bts open the curtain to the world. I think all of them trying really hard to make people around the world impessed with kpop. And with millenial generation now, kpop spreading faster especially for bts music. For NCT of course they did a good job and to be the next kwave project to spread kpop around the world, I know they did a great job last year with their cherry bomb perform in apple music as the first kpop invited. So, better we enjoy all the kpop music without theory and speculation since we don't really know who is the first. All of them working hard for this not only bts but all of them...
Thank you! I swear everyone forgets that NCT 127 performed last year in JUNE at the Apple store in NYC. That was right about the same time as BTS was getting noticed at the Billboard awards.
www.soompi.com/article/1003005wpp/nct-127-becomes-first-korean-artists-invited-today-apple-event-u-s
sooo true.
when new kpop fans who know nothing about the history of kpop and it's presence in america start talking 🙄🙄
애리엘 let's laughing together for that new fan
@@yessyremitasari7320 let's! 😂 😂 😂 😂
He’s not exactly new, and you can’t deny that BTS is making a huge impact at the moment
😂🔥👏 I love this hahhaha
The true essence of Kpop is fading away slowly, because new fans speak like they know everything 😂
I don't even stan NCT, but you just sound insecure -- don't get triggered!
The fact that you made such a superficial observation proves it. I understand, though. It's not about popularity. I don't want NCT making a song with Nicki Minaj or Big Bang feat. JB or whatever. It's awkward with a side of desperate. 2NE1, EXO, Girls Generation, and Big Bang have been really popular for a long time, and snsd and exo were the first Kpop acts to start breaching and beating American artist on polls - it was funny. Kpop was coming to America, it was inevitable -- like, blackPink?
I hope everyone understands that it's all about Sponsors when it comes to ALL American music and popularity. It's because Bighit and LG is very lenient and proactive about getting these sponsors, while other kpop groups tend to keep it Korean. Kpop sells Bigger than most American artist these days, and it's been like this a while. Recently, Rihanna's Cosmetics Brand Fenty tried to get EXO's Kai to be a Sponsor, but I think the company turned it down.... But then again, I hate Rihanna and would prefer Kai just do Korean things.
SM has been releasing English versions to songs for a long time (we've seen this with Girls Generation The Boys back in 2011 - though kinda cheapy/or crap). Even Super Junior has been partually in Spanish lately.
As an Army from their debut, I watched how all the kpop news buzz simultaneously switched to bias towards BTS and I was overjoyed to see the boys doing so well. But BTS is not a fairytale and they didn't kick the door down, they went behind the scene and talked to the right people to get the door opened up for them - do some research on LG for that. BTS was transformed into the "Kpop group of America" as a money making strategy. Even Koreans talk about how the groups lyrics are weird, designed in a way that is easy to sing -- that's kind of anti Korean.
I don't understand why you'd try and pull that on NCT for making an English song for having english speaking fans... This fame that Army has, I am not sure I want any part of it anymore... Especially after I found out RM was inspired by the book dominion known for it's devil worshiping references. Sounds ridiculous but the bs people actually do. Hope you guys understand exactly what American popularity is, realize all things are done on purpose, when money is on the line, no matter what it is.
Jonghyun's Spirit i stan you
I love EXO, I love BTS, I love NCT, I love SKZ. But I love open minded people and people don’t follow the bandwagon informations as well. Thanks for explaining. I’m so tired of people bringing up faves to bring others down.
Jonghyun's Spirit wow girl I really like this comment
By the book 'dominion', do you mean "demian"? When I looked up his book recommendations that was the title that I found. However, I did see a book called dominion as I was looking for it independently. Both seem quite creepy. Man. I want to look into sponsorships, especially LG now.
Such an underrated comment. Personally, I wanna hear more. You have a lot of interesting things to say.
Crazy people in this world really !!!
BRIS, i don’t think armies will ever stop comparing bts and nct. it’s unfair because the two groups are COMPLETELY different. they are not alike at all, not in their style of music, dancing, visuals, or concept. stop comparing them and bringing bts up when talking about them. please. they got invited to AMAS and Jimmy Kimmel because of their talent and feature in Up Next Apple Music not because bts ‘paved the way.’ i already know all armies don’t think that or that yall don’t claim the armies who do say that. in the future, please don’t compare the two. it might be insulting to nct for all of their hard work, and for them to come this far, i’m sure the last thing they want to hear is that they would have never made it to america if not for bts. nctzens, let’s make nct proud and show them our love by streaming the mv!!! 💚💚
사랑해basils. Exactly and in a social rating NCT is literally in second to BTS so neither is not better then one another.An everyone have different opinion on the music they like so you can't even compared group based on how you feel cause that's your choice .No what everyone feels literally no human mind is completely the same what you may like everyone finds either the same or different
I don’t think they should be compared- or any kpop group for that matter. I
I’m an Army, but I love exo just as much and am exploring nct. Comparing BTS to other groups is just ridiculous.
@@azdawn264 Ikr but if you try to call out thier Toxic behaviour apparently you're a Anti and a Fake Fan. Like damn, How hard can it be to get along? Also you're welcome to the Grass family anytime 😤✊💚. I would tell u to dm me, If u need help stanning, but since it's UA-cam and not Twitter. You can @ me here anytime you want(?
Also
BTS and NCT is friend so
Seeing Some Of Their Fans Comparing Both Of These Talented And Amazing Group Is Just Sad
BTS Is BTS , NCT Is NCT
so you can state your opinion but if someone has a different opinion they’re triggered? alright ...
was thinking the same thing 😅
Hahahahhaha hes funny tho. 😂😂
Only people that has like 3 years into kpop think BTS "created" something, I've been into kpop for 12 years (i discovered it in 2006 or so) and kpop has become more and more popular through these years.
“Bts opened the door to america for kpop”
-all armys.
When we legit had bigbang, super junior, psy, 2ne1, and many more WAY before bts came along but oKAY 🙊🙊🙊
Sorry for other toxic armys making you think that all armys are that immature. I'd like the think that a lot of us acknowledge that even though bts is really big, other groups existed before them that allowed them to grow in the way they did.
In my personal opinion, I think that bts made it so that Kpop was more normalized in America, but a lot of 2nd gen groups like the ones you mentioned were the ones who made it possible.
So many groups contributed so its not really fair to anyone to credit one group or company. We should all just respect each other.
LITERALLY
Bts paved the way
Not ALL seriously I’m getting annoyed now -_-
@@leahclayfield7271 No it didn't
The only thing that upsets me about the whole, fandom v.s fandom thing, I know it’s inevitable and can’t be stopped, we all want the same thing for our groups. Whether you’re multifandom or not, you’d want your ult group to be “on top” or get recognized more am I right? I’m not gonna say fandom names because everyone’s gone through it but still. It just makes me upset over the fact that people fight with others over fame for their groups instead of helping each other and cheering each other on you know?
This is my own opinion and it’s not meant to offend anyone at all!! I love every group and fandom because they all have their special aspects and everything!! I just wish we could all get along a little better.
Your completely right. Let’s face it all fandoms want that satisfaction of their artist to hit that #1 spot (or close to #1) which is total fine in terms of setting goals to become better. Sadly this fandom war crap is not going nowhere and what sets me off is the disrespect that individuals in fandoms have to other artists/fandoms. It would be nice to change all the negativity to positivity in words of supporting and loving Kpop in general.
THIS SONG CLAPS
PERIOD.
There’s soooo many ads just to watch this video damn LMFAO
If you understand NCT's concept as a band, you'll get why they have a song in English. BTS definitely HELPED to make Kpop more mainstream and accessible to the West but I also think it's unfair to pin/attribute other groups' success and hard work on BTS. They're different groups with different styles and concepts so regardless of who you consider to be 'the first ones' to crack the States, they're all worthy of praise in their own way. Plus, many groups have been doing interviews and concerts worldwide before the rise of BTS. Love to BTS, NCT and all Kpop groups working their butts off! This song is 100% a bop and defo one of my faves this year! I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more of their growth.
I’m so disappointed Bris. I really enjoyed most all of your reactions of all different Kpop groups because you respected the individual group. This was a direct slap in the face not only to Nct and their fan base, but to all other Kpop groups and fandoms. Especially the older ones. I really thought you were different. Smh...
mood
honestly i didnt get triggered but im just tired of everyone pointing out that bts made it easier for other kpop acts to make it in the american market as if we dont already know. like it just feels like ur rubbing it in our face that ur idols did what ours couldnt and i get that armys are proud of bts but like you dont have to mention them every time a group enters the international market cause it feels like ur undermining other groups’ hard work
ikr. There are groups who already did this kind of stuff years ago, BTS is just more popular
Lest not pretend not to know were all this is coming, is a beff with the company mainly
monica n HUH
Okay I respect your opinion Bris...but let's not forget BLACKPINK, TWICE, EXO, SEVENTEEN and GOT7 also did a massive job on getting KPOP into mainstream music market. Yes BTS has done because of those American tv and award shows but it isn't just about that.
I think he's trying to say Bts had made the biggest massive impact and influence. Because of that..now kpop groups are being interviewed. Kard, twice, Ailee, big names have thanked Bts for paving the way for kpop in the U.S. Other groups have mentioned this too..including Monsta X.
NOt to take away from other groups achievements because they always worked hard too. And NCT deserves all that comes their way.
Just staying Bts name will surely come up because of what they had done in U.S and how they made kpop really bring attention to the market.
I agree with you 100%.. i feel armys don’t realize that other groups have made songs in English as well and just assume it was just bts
@@Rbrinkley BTS have never made a full English song. But like I dont understand why ppl keep denying BTS impact in helping kpop into the western market. Other groups still working hella hard but like the influence is still there.
Half the population in america that likes kpop wouldn't have known about it without bts
@@Brixboba Thank you. I'm multi-fandom as fuck but I never would have even learnt about NCT, SVT, Red velvet, MX if i hadn't gotten into BTS. And I got into BTS like almost 4 years ago so imagine new ARMYs
I actually completely agree, bts isn’t going anywhere, they are the KINGS and nct(one of my ults along with bts and straykids) are going in the right direction I believe they are gonna be the world favourites along with bts, nct isn’t replacing them but are making there way up there and I’m so proud of them
Same,i agree. Also BTS, NCT and Stray Kids are my ultimates❤
Thank fuck. Finally. Someone with more than one working brain cell. Love you, sis 👏
Say it loud to ppl behind you babe... No one can be replace, cause everyone (group) have their own path... The different just BTS did it first than others
preach ✊🏼👏🏼 Like NCT is catching up. And that’s good. BTS is good also but it’s good to have more groups, but also BigBang are the kinds of Kpop and 2NE1 are the queens. sorry gotta stay loyal. 😔💗
Ikr!! That’s why fanwars are so stupid, there doesn’t always have to be “who’s at the top” but rather “who’s at the same level”
NCT is really catching up!
NCT was formed to be multilingual and promote internationally. DO YOUR RESEARCH.
Girls Generation was actually the group to introduce America to Kpop, BTS just rode that wave, nct is doing that as well. Both groups are equally talented
Nct has a global concept tho
I agree with you. It’s also just been the model of NCT since it’s creation; multiple groups each with their own country/market. So they would’ve made the move at some point but the opportunity came probably earlier than SM had expected so they’re going for it full force.
STAN NCT MAN 🔥🔥💚
No other KPOP group can be NCT...they don't follow trend but they make trends
FYI Rain was the lead in an American movie, Ninja Assassin - his only foray in to mainstream US entertainment wasn't an appearance on the colbert show
As SM stan I'm so proud with NCT and SM, finally them showing my kids to the world, that's what the concept of NCT 😍 I hope them more big and success
No but seriously, why is Army so insecure?
Truth be told you're going to hell Insecure?
@@Sasha-vm6ek She means insecure because armys mention try to mention everything bts has done to everyone, in everything. EVERYTHING. And instead of sounding proud, it ends up sounding cocky and undermining.
Good question
K-Pop Fan yeah me too🤷🏻♀️
K-Pop Fan all I gotta say is bts map of the soul 7 😝😝
Love Nct 127💜💜💜
I’m a huge army and a huge Nctzen but BTS is BTS and NCT is NCT- no need to bring another group into the other 👁👁
Paved the way? Busted down doors? Been a fan since 2010. I remember sitting in a sold out Madison Square Garden in 2011 with SM label groups performing for close to 3 hours. I think the concrete for the pavement had already been poured by those groups, and prior to that it was Rain and BoA - who was before Rain. Let's not rewrite history or gloss over impact just because social media was not in place to place the crowns and tiaras on the pioneers.
an intellectual
I got into kpop not because of BTS...surprise.....NCT actually got me into kpop❤
You do realize this has been the plan all along. Their goal isn't only the West but the world as well. Two years ago the former CEO of the company 127 belongs to presented the plan for NCT and what the concept of their group would be. It's simply a coincidence that BTS "broke down the doors" at this time. As far as having A song in English NCT 127 are not even the first group in their company to release a song in English. BOA has a whole album in English. NCT has songs in Japanese and Chinese as well and NCT China is debuting later this year. SM is going global which has been in the works probably before BTS even existed. SM is definetly going for a broader audience. Not even to mention Super Junior and their collabs with Latin American artists and touring Latin America.
I was gonna go off in the comments but all my points have already been made.. love NCTzens
What I will give to BTS is that they have opened doors for MEDIA in America such as making it a bigger thing for Kpop groups to be invited for interviews or award shows like the AMAs, but not Kpop groups having fans in America or being able to release English versions of songs or having concerts or tours in America because that has been happening.
Grace Kelly exactly like honestly it's a media aspect with them it wasn't music .with the second generation and first plus NCT were recognize for album's so it's make no sense to say BTS paved something or is better l
This is what I can agree with. And I get disappointed in armys that fail to see that sometimes the media just put bts in weird situations because they know the amount of traffic it'll bring
Kpop groups were winning MTV and Billboard awards and getting invited to shows long before BTS. I mean wasn’t it Wonder Girls who even got their own show at Nickelodeon?
The big difference is social media, which BigHit was faster than other Kpop groups to take advantage of and that favored BTS’s international popularity.
I'm late but it's so nice to read that people truly know NCT. Not everyone is trying to be BTS. And from what I know, lets not forget the Hallyu Wave that started before BTS was big.It's just that people started to pay attention and BTS was doing well at that time.
NCT literally has a worldwide concept. nct has lots of foreign idols such as chinese, japanese, canadian, and american. It’s not suddenly because of bts that nct decided to drop an english version of a song. Also they may have done this for foreign fans and maybe because it hit just that much harder in english. Plus they’re all pretty decent at the language too.
Rain, PSY, Wonder Girls, Girls Generation, and even 2NE1 made some headway in the US market with hits, talk show appearances, concerts, and other televised performances. However, they did not dominate the market. They did not make a permanent and growing fan base. They did not chart for long periods of time. Their names were forgotten in the market. There was no lasting impact, only temporary. There is nothing wrong with that, their contributions helped on this road though. It introduced k pop. Was BTS trying to break into this market, no. Their popularity stems from their group dynamic, exceptional talent, hard work, smart business, and devout interaction with and their love for their fan base. It’s almost a perfect storm. To ignore the past kpop that contributed is foolish, to ignore that BTS is responsible for making kpop mainstream in the US is foolish as is not including them in the conversation as relevant when other groups are strategically monopolizing on the opportunity to enter the US market because of what they have done. It would not, at this present time be as easy (not impossible) for NCT 127 or any other group for that matter to enter into the US market RIGHT NOW.
DnyliGrrrl no hate...bts bigger since last year right?..you talked about second gen KPOP were debut 10 years ago...clearly u didnt knw how big impact second gen spread kpop..you can see bts unforgatble, lets wait in 10 years from now...don assume unpredict things, its too much.
NCT : we are not the same only one of me
two years later and i still laugh at his theory lmao
youtube reactors thinking they know so much about kpop saying that a certain group bust open the US market ...
Well, 2nd gen kpop groups would like to say welcome for busting open the World Market 💁🏻♀️💁🏻♂️ #kpop #2ndgen
Exactly. Kpop newbies should really not even give their opinion. Especially those who don't have knowledge about Kpop as a whole and only live in their faves bubble.
Super Junior - One More Time ft. Reik
SM is all over the place, dosent feel organic, I know business is business, but cmon.