Big PGR Whale's Thoughts On New Update

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  • Опубліковано 10 гру 2024

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  • @KatelynGadd
    @KatelynGadd 9 днів тому +58

    Good video! As a game developer I think they're in a nasty spot with this. There aren't many options available to them without bad long-term consequences. To cite a few things people might think of:
    * Discounting packs to keep the average cost per-month the same would be bad because it creates FOMO - these discounted packs would be higher value than future packs, which creates an incentive to binge spend to stock up resources for later, and means you have a spending advantage over people who spend money later. This also would result in players seeing a 'price hike' when the catch-up is complete, which would be unpopular.
    * Scaling up the returns on packs is similar to discounting packs, albeit a little better. I think having fewer packs in the shop is better - a shop full of packs looks greedy and convoluted and drives players away. PGR already has too many packs.
    * Increasing the % on pulls is as you said basically just gambling and psychological manipulation. It's 'nice' but not a fix.
    * Lowering the ceiling as you said is unrealistic, but I actually think it's one of the most feasible solutions because it's easier to roll back and would only apply to the banners that run during the catch-up period - these are weird banners anyway.
    * Another option would be to do a refund on pulls like they did during Nier. This might be easier for them to do than adjusting the ceiling and makes the banners more 'normal'. Players will still be grumpy when it goes away though.
    * One more option would be to give rewards along with pulls, so they can keep the set of packs per patch the same, the contents of the packs the same, and the nature of the banners and pull costs the same. I'm not sure there's a comparable precedent for this other than the whale tears in games like GBF. But for example, every time you get an S-rank or fragments, they could 'double up' or 'triple up' on the fragments and give you a fragment selector. I'm not sure this would be any easier than some of the other options I mentioned though.
    I suspect a factor here is that they're afraid of pissing off CN players by creating the appearance of overseas players getting special treatment. I know CN players of other games have basically rioted in the past in response to perceived 'unfair treatment' and the studios responsible for those games panicked and backpedaled. My impression is that Kuro has been very careful so far to not give overseas players anything that they didn't give to CN.

    • @Jeremey
      @Jeremey  9 днів тому +7

      Insanely well thought out response

    • @TSouthyS
      @TSouthyS 8 днів тому

      Discount a set amount of packs proportional to the amount of patches merged into one I.e. 3 packs are discounted per patch. This significantly helps dolphins and makes whales at least see kuro is trying to show goodwill by assisting spenders - whales generally will spend on whatever they want anyway (as they are whales…) and this will prevent whales from spending out of control to stock up on currency with FOMO and assists the vast majority of the player base.
      The real question is why this hasn’t already been implemented as an option. If I can think of that in 5mins it begs the question as to why kuro thinks they can get away with shafting all spenders on global.
      CN will always come first but if they don’t respect global spenders then the backlash will ruin the all important hype train weve all been waiting for

    • @eirsilvermoon4911
      @eirsilvermoon4911 8 днів тому +3

      Literally my line of thinking as well, form developer's perspective this is hell because there is no scenario in which they dont lose money.
      Question is, will they bite the bullet or not?
      I feel that bringing all versions together is 100% less of a headache for them to manage and players would like new content to come sooner, but there are so many issues here with the powercreep, money they expect/need to make as well as technical complications with managing multiple versions in a short amount of time.
      I do think they should bite the bullet on this one and just making monthly/battle passes have way more rewards or simply let ppl buy chars straight for RC from the shop, WuWa revenue should make this possible even if its not directly connected to PGR and DMC collab is for sure gonna make more money.
      Could always bring Nier back, so many ppl missed it but i guess they cant bcz of SE.
      Overall a nasty situation for Kuro and their management here, I dont think players are gonna come out on top. After we get the roadmap, i think a new plan should be made which chars are gonna get powercrept fasters and those should just be skipped.

    • @Prox__xE
      @Prox__xE 8 днів тому +2

      Those packs are the only way I can play as an sss player.....I wouldn't be able to if it was the bc exchange lmao

    • @calamity-4469
      @calamity-4469 8 днів тому +3

      Well , it always because CN being rioted anyway and did even kuro ever give overseas players anything ? No , they didnt , infact the reward for CN is better then global just like how long they wait before they give global 600 RC pack and what global did ? We just swallow every treatment they give to us , what you can say when the game being dominance by one community only , take it or leave it.

  • @MattUltima
    @MattUltima 9 днів тому +16

    Jermainous D. Emperyaiah giving his thoughts

  • @Edward_Ardy4671
    @Edward_Ardy4671 8 днів тому +10

    - I'm seeing the DMC collab as a possible factor for this decision cuz from what I know, capcom is very strict when it comes to collabs so they might've given kuro a certain amount of time where they can use DMC characters.
    - Then there's also Kuro possibly want both global and CN to be synchronize before the collab comes.
    - Discounting the price for global might piss CN as well.
    To put it simply, they're really in a tight spot. I am F2P but I can't blame the spenders being disappointed with this decision. That said, I hope they find a solution to this, even if it's not the perfect solution.

    • @Kyugorn
      @Kyugorn 8 днів тому +2

      "Discounting the price for global might piss CN as well."
      Yes. Because discounts for CN are not an option- Oh wait. They are.

  • @northmoth
    @northmoth 8 днів тому +5

    Kuro basically said screw money-spenders

  • @MattUltima
    @MattUltima 9 днів тому +11

    6:21 👁

  • @Prodigal450
    @Prodigal450 9 днів тому +11

    When the Global GOAT give his thoughts, you know it's bad

  • @RikuSenpai1
    @RikuSenpai1 9 днів тому +5

    We've all yee'd our last haw

  • @superqueso
    @superqueso 8 днів тому +3

    The owner of the NA server has spoken 🗣️🔥🔥🔥

  • @Muin..
    @Muin.. 9 днів тому +3

    EVEN MY GOAT IS SPEAKING UP ON THIS OML

  • @arif8967
    @arif8967 8 днів тому +1

    Discounted pull was the way to go at it.

  • @unknownguy6451
    @unknownguy6451 8 днів тому +5

    ah now i see why other gacha game dont do this, cause u can never satisfy both global and cn players

  • @Multimanplayer
    @Multimanplayer 8 днів тому +5

    Like you said, this will heavily affect the light spenders, whales have the income so its not a problem for them.
    I heavily doubt kuro will give some "discounts" cause CN server will eat them alive if they do.
    There's no win/win here and that simply is because of time. Fitting almost 2 years of content in 1 will affect someone in the end, like it or not.
    As a lightspender myself, i get that there's no easy way out of this, so imma continue getting the monthly pass, but I'll just stop with the BP and choose carefully wich sfx coatings to get and wait for others to rerun.

  • @azurechamp2949
    @azurechamp2949 9 днів тому +6

    i don't think reducing the pack price or increasing the pack contents is reasonable because that would affect profits directly and no corpo would willingly do that. The best solution would be keeping a separate section for indefinite amount of time and put all the excess packs there, like for 3 integrated pacthes keep 1 in normal pack section and the other 2 in the separate section. Players can purchase the other packs whenever necessary. I was against the syncro for several reasons this being one of them, but since they already announced it, best we can do is leave a feedback and wait for how it turns out. I genuinely hope they will provide a solution.

    • @Jeremey
      @Jeremey  9 днів тому +6

      @@azurechamp2949 I also did consider something like leaving the arrival banners up for all characters for a full year as well so that people could save and spend at their own pace without worry of a 100% character banner being gone in 4 weeks or so.

    • @firelame59
      @firelame59 8 днів тому

      No, for me reducing the pack price or increasing the pack contents will not affect in a bad way because if someone used to spents 100 bucks per month he will still spent that amont with or without the integration plan. In fact they can go more profits because if for the same amout we have triple rewards then a lot of people will but more packs. Dunno if you now what i mean.

  • @mikoajbaszczyszyn4568
    @mikoajbaszczyszyn4568 8 днів тому +3

    Yeah, they need to work on this a bit more. While their solution is great for F2P players by giving us the amount of resources and BC we would normally get if the patches ran as they were supposed to. This is something that should be done no questions asked, and I'm glad Kuro is giving us that. It sucks for spenders though, and Kuro is in a bit of a pickle here because it's difficult to make a satisfactory solution.
    Funny part is, I went to twitter to check, and under that post over 90% of replies is people saying they need to fix the paid content part.
    While adjusting the pull rate or pity would help spenders, it would also create FOMO for everyone, benefit F2P players a lot as well (which isn't bad per se), and make people mad when it goes away.
    Not changing the price or value of paid packs is not a good solution, rather a pretty shitty one. The problem is, and many people are saying that, people's income didn't suddenly triple. While giving discounts or more cards would make CN players salty because they had to pay the full price, they also wouldn't have grounds to complain because Kuro decided to condense things. So if a player from any other server wanted to get the same amount of stuff from the cash shop as a CN player, they would need to pay twice or triple the amount, even if over less months. Even then, the accelerated patches won't allow you to get as many resources as you should have gotten on a regular schedule, because they're limiting paid packs to one less than the amount of patches.
    What they should do is at the very least introduce something like RC double top-up bonus that resets every patch. It's still less buying power than we should have gotten, but far more fair than having to pay triple.

  • @jo3y960
    @jo3y960 8 днів тому +1

    Jeremy please level with me
    Are. We. Cooked.

    • @Jeremey
      @Jeremey  8 днів тому +2

      Any form of midrange spender will not get their paycheck 3x faster. This means that with 3x faster updates, you won't exactly be spending 3x more, but more like 3x faster. The chars being used may also be rotated out faster which means a shorter time to use them even though you paid full price for them.

    • @jo3y960
      @jo3y960 8 днів тому

      @Jeremey so we're cooked. Got it. 😔

  • @squarebrain6714
    @squarebrain6714 9 днів тому +1

    As a light spender (sub, BPs, coatings) I honestly see the only one logical solution without making a lot difficult adjustments - discount on banners based on number of patches combined. In this way they wouldn't have to make almost any changes to the game and the only work Kuro would have to do is to calculate median number of cards obtained through events and adjust event rewards accordingly. In this way both F2P and P2W players would get treated both good.
    As for me doing some math is much easier rather than attempt to sit on three chairs.

  • @LedZeppelin88S
    @LedZeppelin88S 8 днів тому +7

    Since they can't do this right I think it would be for the best to just cancel this plan and leave the game as it was.
    I was happy as dolphin and now I would go full F2P.

  • @odaanviing
    @odaanviing 8 днів тому +2

    PREACH BROTHER

  • @illuminahara
    @illuminahara 8 днів тому +2

    The goat has spoken

  • @jadendevos8696
    @jadendevos8696 9 днів тому +1

    Because of how much quicker units will be powercrept by this, I think they are doing a service to people who spend or want to spend due to not making those people want to invest more because of special packs and deals everywhere, but Im only a monthly pass spender who never goes sss so i can understand people who are invested in being in the top % being between a rock and a hard place

  • @Desiderium
    @Desiderium 8 днів тому

    Your idea is really good. They could have just lowered the amount of supply packs, and increased the value depending on the amount of integrated versions. Making people pay faster for things they otherwise would have been able to afford with slower patches is a rare Kuro L.

    • @Jeremey
      @Jeremey  8 днів тому

      It's also reasonable to think that we will not be using the new characters coming out as long as CN would be because of the accelerated schedule. Who knows, the char you paid for might be rotated out the patch we catch up with CN on.

  • @fl0w_contr0l72
    @fl0w_contr0l72 8 днів тому +1

    Surely they’ll fix it bfor qu patch ends cappa :clueless:

  • @AmirulHaqreen
    @AmirulHaqreen 8 днів тому

    The main problem is DMC collab here led to this...

  • @galaxygalaxy
    @galaxygalaxy 9 днів тому +2

    MY GOAT

  • @ShinigamiSamaH
    @ShinigamiSamaH 8 днів тому +3

    I'm just talking out my butt here and in no way an expert, but I think a reason they won't increase paid contents (like giving us more bang for our buck) is to not get in trouble with the CN player base.
    Like for example if we get more Black Cards for the same price or increased gacha rates, maybe there are some legal concerns involved (again, i'm not an expert.) The argument favor CN side since they already paid for that content while we have not and can choose not to. Basically, Kuro can't give us anything that can be seen as an advantage over the CN counterpart, or they will demand compensation next.
    And honestly, no matter how the Synchro plan ended up, we will still get screwed one way or another with the shortened time. At least this will only be until we caught up with CN and not forever, so with some planning we should be able to get through this phase with reduced pain.

  • @NoumLyye
    @NoumLyye 8 днів тому

    Giving 1.5x the amount of pulls per pack might work? So that it can help a bit ig😅 idk.

  • @Kuro_440
    @Kuro_440 8 днів тому +4

    can't wait for global to be the same as CN 😋

  • @magallanthepenguin9132
    @magallanthepenguin9132 8 днів тому +2

    is monthy card cost double and gives twice as much? im a light spender

    • @Jeremey
      @Jeremey  8 днів тому +2

      Nobody knows right now. They said they would be adding in another type of monthly pass, though

    • @TheHuTao.
      @TheHuTao. 8 днів тому +1

      Although we’ll actually lose one monthly pass per patch, for example 3 patches on 1, only 2 monthly passes,

  • @beansbrat5747
    @beansbrat5747 8 днів тому +2

    Ya and our salary doesn't double if patch coming like 2-3 patch per month

  • @Swift69420
    @Swift69420 8 днів тому +3

    I understand the concern, but I may be on the unpopular opinion but you can pay extra for certain goods and services to come out faster or delivered at a time that is convenient for you. To me, kuro is delivering a working product faster and I’m paying for that service to be delivered faster. Even tho the content is there elsewhere, it’s making that product accessible to the global audience (mainly translations). Big whales are definitely happy with this because they have infinite money. Anyone that does spend have to recognise that there is a cost to get stuff shipped faster. I wouldn’t be against some form of VIP or extra perks for spending because as it stands, f2ps are hitching a free ride. It’s not unfair either, spenders should have more benefits

  • @Yeesus
    @Yeesus 9 днів тому +4

    The value of each construct is gonna decrease by 2-3 times too since powercreep will happen that much faster. Yet paid content is the same...
    Im a mid range spender, i get new constructs to SSS, but now i might just skip out on spending, no way i can keep up. Or just spend on my favorites. Good video

  • @chemistsheldon9248
    @chemistsheldon9248 9 днів тому +1

    Я здесь был первым! RU EU

  • @Rexfo
    @Rexfo 8 днів тому

    ༎ຶ⁠‿⁠༎ຶ

  • @luiseduardo4803
    @luiseduardo4803 9 днів тому +5

    Knowing that we won't be at the same level as cn players when the servers merge unless we spend up to three times is tough.

  • @Prox__xE
    @Prox__xE 8 днів тому

    Your not gunna quit right?😢 I dont plan on it so im just a bit worried on all the whels wanting to quit. Kinda scares me.

    • @Jeremey
      @Jeremey  8 днів тому +1

      I will keep playing but in terms of spending... I am not too sure since a large majority my funds are currently going to other things atm. But we shall see!

    • @Prox__xE
      @Prox__xE 7 днів тому

      @Jeremey i hope my sss investment helps xd its not that much lol.

  • @guizarxxi
    @guizarxxi 8 днів тому +7

    I really dont understand the doomposting about this "issue" since it only applies to less than 1% of players on the global server. I'm a SSS spender and I'm quite infuriated with F2P and light spenders speaking for me. At the end of the day, Kuro shot themselves in the foot to make the experience better for all global players. Us SSS and SSS+ spenders willingly choose to pay for these ranks, so why are people pushing the narrative than this company is "forcing" people to spend.
    Just dont spend? Like, I'm going to continue SSS these characters because I want to. If you don't have the income to SSS, its not like your PGR experience is ruined. At the end of the day, you are paying for higher numbers on a score board.

  • @arghost9798
    @arghost9798 8 днів тому +1

    Just cancel the synchronization plan.
    We will definitely catch up with CN in later year(probably around 2027-2028) even if they do nothing.
    We already got more short time per patch than CN since the game release in global.
    Look here. Next Qu patch in CN is on 4th anniv. And here in Global, 3.5 anniv is on Teddy patch.

  • @jeremiahtorrevillas4396
    @jeremiahtorrevillas4396 9 днів тому +2

    Their afraid of cn wrath

  • @Reeis..
    @Reeis.. 9 днів тому +1

    🛐🛐🛐

  • @_Rite
    @_Rite 9 днів тому

    ...

  • @sleeping_with_siren
    @sleeping_with_siren 8 днів тому +1

    best momentum to quit

  • @aru2114
    @aru2114 8 днів тому +1

    speed run patch already bad idea btw ,, ppl should be realize this

  • @bbbbbbbbbbbrbbrb
    @bbbbbbbbbbbrbbrb 9 днів тому +3

    gonna quit atp

  • @randompseudonym106
    @randompseudonym106 8 днів тому +1

    It was a bad idea in the first place. They should not have done this, when the plan was announced most of the folks I know in game were already going to downsize spending without specifics, now after that a few have already quit, and more and more I'm seeing after Qu patch people are just dropping the game. I'm doing the same. I'm not gonna spend in Wuwa any more either bc honestly? I no longer trust Kuro.

    • @ALDOGMO13
      @ALDOGMO13 8 днів тому +4

      what does wuwa have to do with this lol.
      one of Solon's (ceo) biggest public regrets is PGR not being sycnrhonized globally, they did this because they want to synchronize and tencent investment is cushioning the revenue blow.

    • @randompseudonym106
      @randompseudonym106 8 днів тому

      @@ALDOGMO13 I mean what it has to do with it is I no longer want to given them money. I kinda thought that was pretty obvious there.
      I'm also pretty sure the tencent transaction was between hero games and tencent. Not Kuro's shares. Kuro if I'm not mistaken has the same amount of shares they have. Tencent might be willing to bankroll a bit sure, but it's not like tencent suddenly handed kuro more money.

    • @ALDOGMO13
      @ALDOGMO13 8 днів тому +4

      @@randompseudonym106 Buying shares is still investment, regardless, they still have Tencent funding, they always had and now they have more. Theyre doing this because they never liked PGR not being synchronized and know this will be a blow to the PGR global revenue and are using Tencent investment to cushion that.
      If being synchronized causes you such mental damage then just quit, cuz this is their move going forward until theyre synchronized.
      Id consider you guys lucky, i fucking wish FGO started speeding up to catch up to JP which is 2 years ahead of global.

  • @kuyapadoru
    @kuyapadoru 8 днів тому +1

    You guys asked for it, you want characters from CN version right?

    • @Jeremey
      @Jeremey  8 днів тому +9

      @@kuyapadoru Never said it! I was actually content with our content release.

    • @guardiansoulblade2673
      @guardiansoulblade2673 8 днів тому +1

      @@Jeremey I was too but people just have to cry about being behind, I play Fate/Grand Order with a two-year gap, PGR's gap didn't bother me at all. I'm just a monthly pass spender so if that goes up a bit I don't care that much.

    • @AmirulHaqreen
      @AmirulHaqreen 8 днів тому +1

      ​@@Jeremey DMC IS THE REASON BEHIND THIS

    • @kactusboii3596
      @kactusboii3596 8 днів тому +3

      Yeah i kinda did, in lamia patch i feedback about there's no surprise feeling every update, but i never say i want same patch as cn server tho.. but still i did

    • @saltytuna9259
      @saltytuna9259 7 днів тому

      I never asked for this

  • @whatamess8894
    @whatamess8894 9 днів тому +1

    Thats it pgr global eos

    • @jeremiahtorrevillas4396
      @jeremiahtorrevillas4396 9 днів тому +1

      for me eos is ehen oblivion oatchef dropped
      I dint like ishmael design at all