What Is The Difference Between a Stratocaster Pickup And A Telecaster Pickup
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Ok boomer
Club Soda He means UA-camr that do ridiculous stuff for attention: silly faces in thumbnails and putting on fake personalities.
It’s whatever to me. But it absolutely is ridiculous.
Steve terreberry
Indeed, some presenters' of guitar channels on YT would suit
Barnum & Bailey's or The Wiggles better, farcical spasmodic bodily gyrations idiotic leering grimaces stupid sound-FX & puerile ridiculousness is de-rigeur for some guitar channels (whyTF?). Dylan's no-bs no-carrying-on like a drunk 14yr old & sensible sound & sane attitude is what guitar channels NEED as well as accurate helpful information. Freaky faces & daft voices are not why I am {we are, educated guess says I speak for the majority, surely?) here.
Primal screeching & grotesque gurning does zero to help this guitarosaurus upon his guitarcheology odyssey of 42 of my 51yrs above-ground (so-far).
David & Syro obviously know what I mean? Terreberry... snort... don't make me projectile blast my coffee a'la-firehose-style out my flaring nostrils all over the joint like a mad woman's sh*t!.. (nearly trashed my keyboard with nostril-coffee inundation...! 'strewth! that was close, man!).
Great work Dylan, you know a Schaller from a Grover from a Gotoh, a LTD from an AIO from a G&L, one end of a fretboard from the other so subbed for these reasons & like Syro said your no-nonsense d*ckhead-free zone.
Just added a Squier J.Mascic Sig Jazzmaster to my guitarsenal, it plays just gr8, stays tuned even after punishing the trem-bar too - recommended.
Great vid Dylan, thanks for this & all the others I'm surely going to binge-watch real soon.
Cheers, peace, far far too much guitar is grossly insufficient, woefully inadequate, nowhere near enough & be nice to ya missus!
Didyabringyabongalong Station, Central Queensland, Australia.
What is Jell-o and how did it get in his pickup?
You should definitely continue this with other pickup types
In the 12 years I've been playing guitar I think this is the first time I see someone who actually knows his shit... There is still hope!
You say that like you think 12 yrs is a long time.
Ian Bunyan longer than some, shorter than others. The thing is after more than a decade of pseudoscience finally I came across someone who doesn’t talk “mojo”, “voodoo” or whatever.
@@williambhurt I was a choirboy and learnt music theory 1963-67. Started playing guitar 1966. (Age12).
@@williambhurt There was absolutely no intended criticism in my comment, you infered it.
@@williambhurt Thanks for that. I need to learn that irony doesn't come over well on UA-cam comments.
I KNEW there was a shin bone in my tele! Very cool though!
@BLOGAN BURGESS ua-cam.com/video/OWr8pdcNN9M/v-deo.html Humans don't have 'love bones', except for John Lennon and Jim Carrey of course. ua-cam.com/video/M0Gz5zbGONk/v-deo.html
Hey, they had to reinforce the neck somehow before the truss rod was invented. Only long, mostly straight bones are useful that way. :)
My bone nuts are made from the shin bone of Vietnamese water buffaloes...
Your graphics are just about perfect to describe and illustrate the differences of design and the magnetic field.
Thanks, great content Sir.
Great explanation and vid. I'm gonna add a metal base plate to all my guitar's pups and to everything else in life, to change its tone and while I'm there, an extra ground.
Show us a Jaguar pickup, dude!
I second that!
I would like a tear down as well bc I know it’s just an improved strat pickup but I’m not sure how.
Yeah do that !
Dylan, I am drawn to your straight forward attitude. I also enjoy the fact that you do not A-B testing. There are so many variables that affect those types of tests. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
How interesting, to learn that a pickup's sound is determined by more than magnets and windings.
The baseplate effectively becomes part of the magnet, so this is still a case of the magnet affecting the sound. Your old view is still right, if you think about it that way.
@@mal2ksc I think of the baseplate more as reshaping the field of the magnets since it has no magnetic properties of its own, but I agree that it could be thought of in the way you describe.
@@johnnybgoode1950 the baseplate affords not only electromagnetic field shaping (if right materials) but a larger surface area and more solid coupling with the body of the guitar. Everything, even if your eye cannot detects it, moves in this assembly, so the transmission of physical vibrations through the medium can also effect field by flexing that plate further in the already dynamic relationship the string/pickup loop is. This is how you get character and unique tone signatures from instruments - the latency in the loop between the strings that you've fretted and the bridge/nut is different than the latency of those same vibrations being radiated and applied to the pickup joint, which is electronically coupled - still mechanical, but of a decidedly different nature and usually attached to amplification systems so when those vibrations come from the cabinets themselves, they also enter the guitar as it is now a receiver in the external vibration coupling model. We can also talk about reverse headstocks too if you like...
when you've got tones with natural variations in frequency hitting each other at different times you can get an a mazing array of sonic behavior out of an instrument, especially if it's got sustain from hell and your finger tone is "good enough".
@@russellzauner I would imagine the added weight of the steel baseplate is also a factor in mechanical loop behavior.
Actually I've been wondering for a long time why teles seem to be the only guitars that have that particular tone. I guess they don't often put those pickup baseplates in other types of guitars. All this time I thought it was primarily the telecaster saddles that did it but then you get teles with regular saddles and they still sound like that.
Part of a Strat sound also comes from the bridge springs. You haven’t heard a Strat until you’ve heard it with a Tele bridge pickup, it takes a Strat to another level. The Lowell George mod.
I’ve always found the neck pup of a Tele to be pretty lifeless... that was until I put the Strat neck pup in.
Was gonna say, the only thing better than a strat with a telebridge pickup is a tele with a strat neck pickup
@ mutate, evolve, thrive. Building a Stratele hybrid right now...
Great choice! I go back and forth between humbuckers, single coils and P90’s. IMHO the closest to a P90 is a start single coil as humbuckers just don’t sing like single coils. My Strat I swear is 1 in a million. I’ve had every awesome Strat bridge pickup in the bridge position and I still never liked the tone. I had a PAF in the bridge at one point but is was that humbucker sound...l until I upgraded my Tele with rails and put the Tele pup in the Strat tat I finally found “the sound”.
Keith Alan: I probably bet that you need to practice more and mod less.
It would make a difference if the strat was a hard tail setup. That would probably get you closer to the tele sound.
Boy its a good thing your able to hold your hands steady. Lol.
Great job on the illustrations and explanations.
I like that overlay insertion you did of the flux line fields images from that other site. Couple of notes: thickness of that plate is important, 1/8th inch seems to be the best balance, thinner doesn't do much, 3/16th can work (rummage through your junk drawer/bin! I've found a house electrical octagon box cover cut to the shape works great.). The steel plate needs to be in contact or close contact to the magnet rods. A steel plate added to a Strat pickup can do the same thing too. Twang in a Tele comes from picking between the bridge and saddles, the Strat can twang too if picked there but people run into the volume knob and the strap pins set the body back to the right more and so people strum closer to the middle and neck pickups.
Lol 1/8 is waaaaay too thick.
Had no idea this is why they sound different,interesting. Great video
Great video! Glad someone on UA-cam is taking a scientific approach to understanding how tone works.
I've been playing electric guitar for 47 years now. Thank you for explaining the difference in the pickups which I never understood. Excellent. I subscribed to your channel and find it a valuable resource.
Bottom line is Change the magnet field or change the magnetic properties or change anything to do the magnetic structure of a pickup and you change the sound of the pickup. Dylan done a good job on explaing it.
I appreciate your ability to explain these simple physical concepts, Dylan. It's important to de-mystify these things, as the internet (aka "teh internetz") in so full of anecdotal conjecture. I'd like you to do one of these to help people understand how the Telecaster bridge cover acts in conjunction with the baseplate to further focus the magnetic field, and similarly the metal covers on a Precision and Jazz Bass. I feel that these are an integral part of the sound design of these instruments, and yet so many players remove them, and then search for "better" pickups - not realizing they have actually removed a design component of the pickup itself. Thanks.
Very interesting mate. Those visuals were very useful.
Brilliant. I'm no electrician, but still, I've never thought about this kind of thing at all in 51 years of guitar playing.
The "shape" of the magnetic field also defines, what part (or lets say how much) of the strings can induce current into the coil. (Which of course is among other reasons, why mini humbuckers sound different to regular humbuckers even if all the other specs were the same.)
I appreciate your approach to explaining the differences and debunking myths.
You know your taking all the voodoo magic out of guitars! Great video.
What I would like is a comparison of the Strat and Tele Neck pickups. They sound very different too. The neck is where I seem to play the most.
Thanks! It’s tough to find reliable tech information. A lot of guitar enthusiasts are keen to believe any and all myths.
For the record.... I said "shin bone" right at the same moment you did!!! Good explanation, I actually didn't know this and thought you were going to talk about numbers of winds, magnet directions, coil wire thickness, etc., was much simpler and much cooler than I anticipated!!!
Great vid! After 45+ years playing, I finally know the reason!
I watched this again today. I'm finding that another time around allows me to see more comments. Here's mine: I like the white board but the blue graphic was great!!
You've addressed this several times and each time you are clear and understandable. Thank you!!!
Great information, never would have guessed that and it does make sense! You mentioned “grounding”, what are your views on using either “conductive paint” or “copper tape” inside the body cavity and around the pickup cavity’s like a Faraday cage to reduce “noise” from single coil pickups?
It would be immensely interesting to do Fourier transformations of soundwaves from different guitar/pickups to break them down into different frequency/overtone components and do a clustering analysis (PCA/t-SNE etc) to see how they fall to scientifically visualize the differences in guitars/pickups..
Or You could just play guitar...
I really dug the overlay of the magnetic field you used to show magnetic fields. That's kind of how I imagined it. You did another video (probably more than one) on humbuckers. Do you have any with that same overlay for humbuckers. That'd really cool. Maybe a top down view since the magnets are horizontal with a different color for each coil to show the canceling effect. Love the videos. I think I've learned more about electric guitars in the past month than in the past 35 years.
Another great video. Loved the illustrations. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent explanation. The little magnetic field drawing made it crystal clear for me to understand. Thanks!
I have a Pawnshop model that is a Strat body with a tele neck it has duel tele pick up in the rear with a Texas Hunmbucker in the front an absolute awesome sound. Best of both worlds . Odd set up but if you don't like the feel of the tele body but love playing one it' works.
Good elementary discussion. So many variables. What alloy is the plate? Mu metal? What are the gauss intensities of magnets? Mass of the magnets? That's just the start. Lucy you gotta lotta 'splain
Fender says the '51 Nocaster bridge pickup has a tin-plated copper baseplate.
Brilliantly explained and ... love the magnetic field visualizations! Cheers
You described the pickups only. Another thing you could have described is how the bridge pickups are mounted. The main thing is the bridge on the Tele and all the metal on it. This metal surrounds the bridge pickup. I would think that the bridge on the Tele is also going to effect the magnetic field as does the base plate.
Don't forget the different tonewoods!
The thumbs down people didn't like the brick wall.
I think it's worth mentioning that the material of the baseplate does make a difference in inductance and therefore the resulting sound. The same principle is exploited in humbuckers by swapping the baseplates (usually between nickel silver and brass) to shape the frequency response. Even though the original Tele baseplates were steel experimenting is certainly worth it for the tinkerers out there.
The magnetic field shape also explains a lot about the tone differences you get by raising and lowering your pickups.
With you pups lowered lots the string is intersecting the magnetic field at a very different angle...
You popped up in my recommended for the first time. Excellent stuff, man!
I learned something. Thanks for this lesson.
I love P90’s but a Tele bridge pickup will always be my first love.
Tex Mex tele bridge pickup does not have a base plate, yet it still sounds like a tele bridge pickup.
I think the bobbin size and the winding have a significant influence to the sound.
base plate and bridge plate (of teles) contribute mainly to that difference I think (a pre watching comment)
As always thank you for an explanation of something I wondered about but never saw explained anywhere else.
I watched....so I know about the bowl of jello. You’re a wellspring of information. Are you an electrical engineer? Love your videos.
SeaLisa definitely not an engineer.
@@JohnnyGuitar1 nope he is an engineer. He has an e&e degree
@@thexplode7
Having studied electronics engineering for several years I can easily detect an electronics engineer, from a electronics technician. I can tell in several spots, and just as an example, at around 2:10m, magnetic fields do not “jiggle”, or “excite” as much as they are fixed and the current is induced. However, he may have studied EE, and may be a technician, or even a technologist, but not an electronics engineer, which is a much longer course of 4 years, and longer if you decide to specialize. I invite him to come here and disclose that himself. I still gave him a like, regardless.
@@JohnnyGuitar1 hmm but I rmb him disclosing in one video I might be wrong.
Great vid. what also makes a difference, indirectly, is that a strat bridge p/up traditionally doesn't have a tone pot in its circuit.
I've honestly never understood that design decision. I always rewire for a master tone and volume.
Really cool video. Had no clue about bass plates at all. They way you laid it out was nice too. It's apparent you have a true understanding of what you're talking about. New sub
@Project Scoop 601 🤦♂️ it was a joke but thanks
My 13 yr old daughter wanted an electric guitar two months ago and then I go one for me and now I am THIS far down the rabbit-hole!!!! SCIENCE!!!!
Nah, it's the tone wood and shape that make the difference...
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lol!!!
🤣
I found it very informative. Excellent. I ve had tele and strats for decades and did not know.
Well what I thought was mostly wrong... nice clarification. Thank you!
Once again very informative!
Thanks for all your efforts!!
Despite all the negativity,..you get the info out!!...👍🏾I for one enjoy your uploads so keep ‘em coming!!...✌🏾✨🎶🎸
Ha! Subscribed before your schpeil!
Really great information! Learned a couple tidbits.
Confirmed what this dummy should have known long ago.
I bought a Epiphone Les Paul (20 years ago) and had the store drop Gibson Burstbuckers in it.
It was never quite what I expected. I checked all the spec's, and finally said, "it is what it is".
A couple days ago a thought popped into my head, 'I wonder what string height spec's are.
So, I looked them up. Yep, the bridge was at 3/16 (supposed to be 1/16)...and what difference it makes!
Ah, the torus/hyperbaloid of magnetism! The upper part of the torus gets widened.
Thanks!
Can you convert a strat bridge pickup to tele bridge pickup by adding the base plate? Is it doable?
This is great, I've wondered about this through the years and I have asked a couple of guitar techs and no one ever given me this answer, but I have no doubt that this is right.
Your magnetic field graphic really cements the explanation. The fact that I'm this excited about your graphic makes me think I need to take a break from watching guitar videos and maybe go outside.
Ive have always wondered why the sounds are different now i know thanks
Good, simple accurate explanation, straight to the point. I've never thought about what the different steelplate design did, awesome! (y)
Great explanation! Great graphic add for the magnetic fields.... Thanks!
For me the best pickup for a strat is a texas special tele pickup with brass plate screwed directly to body with wood screws.
Not to mention, the answer to alot of my questions are answered in previous videos 😯
I always wondered. You are an excellent teacher Dylan ~ always clear, always direct. Also, the graphic was a great help and a nice touch! Thank you.
Good video. You're pretty close in your explanation. The steel changes the permittivity in the path of the magnetic flux, thus as you say changing it's static path and intensity to some degree. When a plucked string cuts the lines of flux, it causes a dynamic change in the flux. The changing flux induces a proportional voltage change in the coil. When there is a path for current to flow i.e. into an amplifier, the coil becomes a tiny generator and the amplifier adds enough power to its signal to drive a speaker.
Yes you are correct.... but a simplified explanation is what we were going for here
Can confirm baseplates on Strat pickups get close to the tele sound. It’s like a 50/50 mix of Strat/Tele.
I still believe that the single biggest difference between a tele bridge pickup and a strat bridge pickup is the mount angle. On a tele, the polepiece for the high e string is closer to the saddle (I.e. more treble) than the corresponding strat high e polepiece. The difference in distance between bass E pole and high E pole is significantly bigger than a strat. If you put a baseplate under a strat bridge pup, it still sounds like a strat
Stay tuned ... part two comes out Monday.
first time viewer. this video alone has me subscribing. thanks, man.
I super dig the graphics you put into this video! Always love how much information are in your videos!
Just stumbled upon your channel and I’m hooked. I’ve been learning s lot. Thanks!
Sound Data Visualization?! Man, you rock! \m/ thanks for this!
The vibrations are also greatly affected by the fact that the pickup is mounted to the tele metal bridge vs the plastic pickguard
John Hooten that wouldn't be really picked up by the pick ups though...
@@adolfoholguin8169 Vibration is what makes the pickups work though. Dylan is talking about how a metal plate on the bottom of the pickup affects the vibrations, why wouldn't the way the pickup is mounted have an effect?
Other than the body contours I don’t think the strat is much better than the tele. I actually prefer the sound of a tele over the strat as well. The tele bridge pickup is much fatter in my opinion based on my experience. I’m going to put a bass plate on my strat bridge.
Thx Dylan
To your discussion on string or bridge grounding. Why has the industry never adopted (like Taylor Guitars) the addition of a ground fuse so that you do not become the shortest path to ground? Faulty wiring in clubs, old gear, a mic sweaty hands all can spell disaster for a musician (some have died due to this). As I've researched this in guitar design books it just seems logical. It's like a home without earth grounding (back during the knob and tube days) and polarized outlets.
Wow man the graphic that you used on the video, really helps me to have a better understanding of this difference.
Do you have another video like that showing the magnetic field on humbuckers?
You’re videos are the best. I’ve learned so much from your channel.
The bridge is connected to the shinbone ! a ha ha ...
🦴Oh, hear the word of the Lord! 🦴
I just wanted to say he should make a song of it :P
What's the difference between a strap hiccup, and a deli pickup?
One leads to a dropped guitar, the other to a delicious sandwich! :)
One is a wardrobe malfunction and the other is why Uber Eats was invented.
We want to hear a deli bridge pickle!!
Man, you always make very interesting video...
I have a question about a certain wiring:
The guitar is a Telecaster replica (made by the Chinese 10's Guitars).
The configuration I'd like to do is: only bridge pickup - 3 ways selector (used as killswitch) -
NO CONTROLS - output jack.
So, basically, I only want the bridge pickup which is NOT affected by any volume or tone pot and going straight to the jack.
But I would like to have the possibility to mute the guitar when I don't play by
moving the pickup selector out of the bridge position.
My principal question is where soldering the ground from the pickup, since I already know that if I solder It directly to the jack I will have noise when I switch the selector out of the bridge position (I should have the same sound of a cable connected to an amp without being connected to a guitar).
Sorry about my bad English, I really appreciate if someone of you find some time to help me.
If you isolate the pickup from the bridge it also changes the tone a lot. This channel should be named DylanKnowsTone.
One year and one day to the day...great explanation. As always...you're the man. Thank you.
That's why they have two tone switches and a five-way. Its a lot more fun.
Would the tone change appreciably if that baseplate were a different material? Brass? Copper? Other ferrous metals? Just curious.
As always informative and succinct! Well done!
they need to be ferrous so copper wouldn't do anything. In theory it can change with material, but would you hear it in a bar this weekend? probably not
I’m sure some “boutique” pup maker will state their secret sauce is their baseplate material but the actual change is negligible if audible at all.
When it comes to magnets, ceramic sounds different from alnico II which sounds different from alnico V, etc. I'd have to imagine that if the magnetic characteristics of those affects the sound, then the magnetic characteristics of the baseplate will too. Being further from the strings will weaken the effect, but the sheer amount of material may compensate for that.
Not refuting the fact that material change can make a difference, just suggesting it’s likely not the major component some may suggest.
To often I’ve bought gear on a recommendation thinking because it was “boutique” or had a specific buzz word (I.e. Orange Drop Caps or a particular pot or “hand wired”) associated with it I’d be more pleased with it when reality was that gear was great! But perhaps not different enough from something which doesn’t have the associated buzz to justify the price.
Case in point, does a $5000 guitar play better than a $500 guitar? Of course! But $4500 better? Same scenario with a $1000 guitar compared to the $5000 guitar? You’ll be hard pressed to convince me the law of diminishing returns doesn’t apply.
Oh the law of diminishing returns definitely applies, but if you pay $4500 extra for a pickup backplate, it better be made of pure adamantium. Even at a few hundred dollars, boutique pickups are questionably priced, but it's better to pay triple for the $50 items than the $500 items!
Has anyone tried to experiment with the design of the baseplate? Like odd shapes to manipulate the magnetic field more?
That seems like it's be a pretty interesting topic to cover.
Thanks Dylan, I like your direct to the point commentary.
Love your channel Dylan... and for those people wanting answers to their questions, hey, remember that other people also answer each other, after all this is a community of musicians. Entitled people who want specific questions can support you on patreon if they want special treatment ;)
When I think of jiggling it is not Jello that pops into mind.
Brilliant,informative and very professional.Phil 2 strat owner uk.
Yup... Explained the way I thought these different things worked. Thank you for confirming my suspicion. Lol
Is the next video going to be a Filtertron vs a PAF?
Burns trisonics / Jag pickups
P90's
Jazzmaster pups...
Is it true that the reason Teles make such great slide guitars is because the bridge pup's were originally built specifically for steel guitars & that Leo just used them because he had so many on hand???
Thanks. Informative. I am working on a Peavey Strat style and I've got the top steel plate ordered that the bridge sits on thinking that was what I needed. Now I've got this plate ordered too. The only one I could find on eBay was in the Ukraine so now I wair.
Hey. Cool video. But now compare the Twang Banger pickup from the strat. he has a copper base. Compare with Stantand Telecast Bridge
thank god for someone why cuts through all the pseudo-science and snake oil of pickups and guitar products in general! guitars are relatively simple circuits whose sounds are usually differentiated by a few very deliberate and discrete variables.
i find that the bridge design, scale length, potentiometers, capacitors, pickup design, string gauge, and electronics layout/wiring to be the major factors affecting different guitar sounds, along with a minimum structural/material integrity or quality (e.g. you wouldnt make a guitar built to last out of styrofoam) before hitting diminishing returns. and then its amps and playing style, but hopefuly we get more videos for all of the above from you soon!
Very informative - thanks Dylan!
You don't mention that the typical Tele tailpiece has a similar effect to the magnetic fields of the pickup so it's not just the base plate. It's everything working together.
Because it doesn’t. We mention that a lot. We have a whole video about how that is a myth