Hey Jordan! Man I haven't seen your videos in years and couldn't remember where I knew you from. Finally figured out it was This Week in Linux! Your old intro to Linux videos really got me started in tech years ago. Appreciate you and keep it up!
Ended up switching out the second USB-C monitor for a 27" HDMI monitor. Gives me a bit more screen size, and actually makes the connectivity for my work laptop a bit simpler (straight USB-C into it). Just unfortunate these LG Ultrafine monitors don't support HDMI...
So I was trying to ge the base model as well , but there's a lot of videos about the 8 GB using the swap feature that will kill the ssd quickly .... do you still recommend the 8 gb ? I was going to get the 512 ssd but w the 8 gb ...... just wanted your insight on that
I hadn't heard about that yet. I just found a video from Max Tech that talks about it briefly: ua-cam.com/video/h487I_5xOZU/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/h487I_5xOZU/v-deo.html, he doesn't seem concerned. Any Linux/Unix/*BSD-based system is going to use the Swap if you make it available, and I'm sure the 8Gb will use it more than 16Gb would. Obviously if you can afford it, 16gb/512gb would be a great choice, but if you had to choose, 16gb would probably be the better investment for the longer term, because you can always attach an external drive for storage, but you can't add more RAM.
There's an app called "Joystick Mapper" for Mac, I think it was $5 or something. I plugged a PS4 controller in with a micro-USB cable, created a profile where the sticks and buttons correspond to buttons on the keyboard, and I was in business. Unfortunately, it doesn't work on the Mac Mini M1, so for now I'm back to editing with keyboard/mouse.
Thanks! I saw that video when I was working on mine, but both of my monitors are exclusively Thunderbolt / USB-C, so converting/adapting them doesn't seem to work. I ended up just swapping monitors around, so I'm using a 27" 1080p HDMI monitor as my secondary now, and my LG monitor is attached to my work laptop.
Have you tried with noise reduction, would be interesting to know if that is also faster with M1 and/or better GPU. I have iMac i5 and it sometimes takes 1-2 days to process movie with noise reduction.
It bugs me that you call the thunderbolt ports USB-C. Yeah same connection and they’re compatible to some degree but you can’t connect Thunderbolt accessories with just a regular USB-C cable. So not the same.
I saw that one! Very specific adapter setup. At this point I've just moved my second USB-C monitor to my work laptop, and moved the HDMI monitor I was using with it over to the Mac Mini. Gets the job done.
Hey Jordan, great video! In your file comparison (10:05), the M1 mac mini encoded file is HEVC (which is H.265) vs H.264 from your iMac. That would explain the size difference as the HEVC is more efficient codec...
You're absolutely right! I talked a little about it at 7:36, because I remembered seeing somewhere that the new M1 was particularly good at encoding h.265 HEVC, and they weren't kidding!
LOVE YOUR VIDEO!!! Here is my MAIN PROBLEM with switching-(the same iMac you have only I have 16 not 42 was it?). My eyes are SOOO USED TO 5K in editing and everything else...5k monitors are STILL expensive... which do you like better though honestly your iMac or the mini?? I really am thinking of getting a mini 1TB 16 GB of memory M1 of course...since this video which one have you used MOST??
I've actually moved 100% over to the Mac Mini. I'm using a 24" LG 4k Ultrafine monitor for all my editing, and a 27" Acer 1080p HDMI monitor I received from my work so I can have a dual-monitor setup, and it's working pretty well for me. I definitely miss the 27" 5k display, but the 24" has excellent colors and is very sharp, so I don't miss it too much. (It cost more than the Mac Mini, which is a hard pill to swallow)
It is funny, you told you never had Mac mini, but confident in differences from previous version. Anyway, I understand you mistaken not intentionally.What is refresh rate? Not sure how a memory size can impact, I believe you are not going in swapping.
Yeah, I've never purchased a Mac Mini, but I've kept an eye on them for years, because I've always wanted one. The LG monitor has a 60hz refresh rate, but I don't see any options to change it in the settings. Correct, once this is purchased, the memory size can't be changed, so as long as I have this Mac Mini, it will always have 8gb of RAM, no matter what.
well, it's a little of everything. Importing, editing, and exporting. I'll be losing a bit of time on importing, editing is very similar, because I never really had problems on my 2017 iMac, but rendering is significantly faster. Having faster rendering is helpful when you get the video exported and find an accident, and have to re-render. Doesn't happen often, but saving 5-10 minutes per render can be a pretty big gain for me.
Just to tell you my experience. I got a Mac mini M1 and rushed in a test with Da Vinci. The first thing I discovered is that Usb4 is not fully retrocompatibile with Thunderbolt 3 Usbc. This means that my 2xSSD raid normally running at 660mbit was going only at half of that, around 330mbit. So I moved the Da Vaniai project I was testing to the (very fast) internal hard drive and... got a bad surprise... My test project (12k footage in 4k timeline, some noise reduction, some grading, some blur, 3D etc..) took 16 minutes on the Mac mini M1 (16gb ram) and only 9 minutes on my "old" iMac2017 (4.2mhz, 64gb of ram). And I was using Da Vinci Studio 17.1 (a version that should be optimised for M1, and in fact was recognised as CPU Apple process and not Intel). I was really expecting much more from this machine. Geekbench gives results as expected (actually slightly above Geekbenchh average for single a multicore), and in theory I should be almost double than the old iMac.. but actually is the other way round! Any idea?
Ouch, sorry to hear that. Is it possible you're using plugins in Resolve that aren't optimized for the M1 yet? I know I've heard from other people using Premiere that some plugins haven't been updated yet, and that can cause performance issues. (also, 12k footage? nice)
@@JordanKeyes yes I used 12k in a 4K timeline... just to stress it a bit. Shorter timeline longer test. I believe the problem is GPU. These video editing softwares have learned in the last years to pass a lot of operations to gpu . MacMini has double GeekBench score than my old Mac in cpu... but ATI Radeon 580 is still a good gpu and the on chip gpu can’t compete I believe. I think that softwares that today are optimized for M1 are just translations. Real optimization will arrive when (for example) softwares will use the neural part of M1 for things like. Stabilization, noise reduction, auto masking etc. Currently they are obviously using normal cpu or gpu. I will probably give it back as Inwas hoping to at leas match the old iMac so I could sell it
The usbc is a thunderbolt 3 speed, but it’s a usb 4 spec. The HDMI is a 2.0 version / the Giga Ethernet is a 1 Gig speed vs the 10 gig option for the space Grey version. Usb A is a 3.1 speed. Max screens is 2, but if you have a 6k screen then it’ll run @ full resolution and 60 FPS. Use the second usbc monitor via usbc to hdmi cable
Thanks for the extra information, that's really helpful! Unfortunately the LG Ultrafine 4k monitor only works over USB-C without buying additional hardware. I tried with a USB-C to HDMI cable and it didn't work.
I edited this entire video on the M1 Mac Mini, and had no issues. Background rendering off, "Better Quality", etc. The only slowdowns I saw were when I had Chrome running at the same time, because Chrome eats RAM, but even then, I had 3 Chrome windows with a total of probably 30 tabs before I saw any kind of slowdown while editing.
I'm running the newly released version of Chrome for the M1 Macs, and I'm hopeful that it will get better over time. For 5-10 Chrome tabs, FCP will most likely work just fine for most workflows. I'm editing 4k24 2-camera videos with no real issues here, and I expect it to only get better. I really hope I don't regret that 6 months from now, but the extra $200 for upgrading to 16gb of ram just didn't seem worth it.
Unfortunately, I tried and it didn't work. The LG Ultrafine 4k runs in a Displayport Alt mode, and I haven't found a great solution yet. Someone suggested a Wacom displaylink adapter that's like $250, and at that point I'll just use the monitor as a secondary for my laptop and find an HDMI monitor for the Mac Mini. :)
Hey Jordan! Man I haven't seen your videos in years and couldn't remember where I knew you from. Finally figured out it was This Week in Linux! Your old intro to Linux videos really got me started in tech years ago. Appreciate you and keep it up!
Astonishing.
Yeah, my 2015 iMac is going to cry when my MacMini M1 shows up ;) Can’t you use some kind of adaptor to get your second screen going?
Ended up switching out the second USB-C monitor for a 27" HDMI monitor. Gives me a bit more screen size, and actually makes the connectivity for my work laptop a bit simpler (straight USB-C into it).
Just unfortunate these LG Ultrafine monitors don't support HDMI...
So I was trying to ge the base model as well , but there's a lot of videos about the 8 GB using the swap feature that will kill the ssd quickly .... do you still recommend the 8 gb ? I was going to get the 512 ssd but w the 8 gb ...... just wanted your insight on that
I hadn't heard about that yet. I just found a video from Max Tech that talks about it briefly: ua-cam.com/video/h487I_5xOZU/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/video/h487I_5xOZU/v-deo.html, he doesn't seem concerned.
Any Linux/Unix/*BSD-based system is going to use the Swap if you make it available, and I'm sure the 8Gb will use it more than 16Gb would.
Obviously if you can afford it, 16gb/512gb would be a great choice, but if you had to choose, 16gb would probably be the better investment for the longer term, because you can always attach an external drive for storage, but you can't add more RAM.
What do you mean by using controller to edit video at 9:06 ? Really curious to see what is that about.
There's an app called "Joystick Mapper" for Mac, I think it was $5 or something. I plugged a PS4 controller in with a micro-USB cable, created a profile where the sticks and buttons correspond to buttons on the keyboard, and I was in business.
Unfortunately, it doesn't work on the Mac Mini M1, so for now I'm back to editing with keyboard/mouse.
@@JordanKeyes so you are actually using a controller for editing? How does it work? Like video editing game or what?
You can use thunderbolt docks to connect display over usb c, this workaround allows two displays over usb c on Mac mini
Watching this on my new mac mini m1 :p my first personal mac lol
loving it?
@@pigknickers2975 yes I am!!
Hey, how Chrome runs on Mac mini M1 and how the Chrome extension on M1 Chrome runs on it?
This may or may not help you with the multiple monitor issue with your Mac mini: ua-cam.com/video/Kq_FyjcAULA/v-deo.html
Thanks! I saw that video when I was working on mine, but both of my monitors are exclusively Thunderbolt / USB-C, so converting/adapting them doesn't seem to work. I ended up just swapping monitors around, so I'm using a 27" 1080p HDMI monitor as my secondary now, and my LG monitor is attached to my work laptop.
Have you tried with noise reduction, would be interesting to know if that is also faster with M1 and/or better GPU. I have iMac i5 and it sometimes takes 1-2 days to process movie with noise reduction.
It bugs me that you call the thunderbolt ports USB-C. Yeah same connection and they’re compatible to some degree but you can’t connect Thunderbolt accessories with just a regular USB-C cable. So not the same.
valid points! liked and subscribed.
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i saw another video where a guy got 6 monitors working on the mac mini M1, it is just a case of adapters !
I saw that one! Very specific adapter setup.
At this point I've just moved my second USB-C monitor to my work laptop, and moved the HDMI monitor I was using with it over to the Mac Mini. Gets the job done.
This video needs chapters! :)
Timestamps added!
Mindblowing! What's the specs on your Imac?
Hi Jordan , will you do the Falcon Eyes F7 Fold led video light review ?
Hey Jordan, great video! In your file comparison (10:05), the M1 mac mini encoded file is HEVC (which is H.265) vs H.264 from your iMac. That would explain the size difference as the HEVC is more efficient codec...
You're absolutely right! I talked a little about it at 7:36, because I remembered seeing somewhere that the new M1 was particularly good at encoding h.265 HEVC, and they weren't kidding!
When are you going to get FSD beta for your Tesla?
LOVE YOUR VIDEO!!! Here is my MAIN PROBLEM with switching-(the same iMac you have only I have 16 not 42 was it?). My eyes are SOOO USED TO 5K in editing and everything else...5k monitors are STILL expensive... which do you like better though honestly your iMac or the mini?? I really am thinking of getting a mini 1TB
16 GB of memory M1 of course...since this video which one have you used MOST??
I've actually moved 100% over to the Mac Mini. I'm using a 24" LG 4k Ultrafine monitor for all my editing, and a 27" Acer 1080p HDMI monitor I received from my work so I can have a dual-monitor setup, and it's working pretty well for me. I definitely miss the 27" 5k display, but the 24" has excellent colors and is very sharp, so I don't miss it too much. (It cost more than the Mac Mini, which is a hard pill to swallow)
Great and very informative video - nice work!
It is funny, you told you never had Mac mini, but confident in differences from previous version. Anyway, I understand you mistaken not intentionally.What is refresh rate? Not sure how a memory size can impact, I believe you are not going in swapping.
Yeah, I've never purchased a Mac Mini, but I've kept an eye on them for years, because I've always wanted one.
The LG monitor has a 60hz refresh rate, but I don't see any options to change it in the settings.
Correct, once this is purchased, the memory size can't be changed, so as long as I have this Mac Mini, it will always have 8gb of RAM, no matter what.
It's playback that affects your workflow, not export speed.
well, it's a little of everything. Importing, editing, and exporting. I'll be losing a bit of time on importing, editing is very similar, because I never really had problems on my 2017 iMac, but rendering is significantly faster. Having faster rendering is helpful when you get the video exported and find an accident, and have to re-render. Doesn't happen often, but saving 5-10 minutes per render can be a pretty big gain for me.
Just to tell you my experience. I got a Mac mini M1 and rushed in a test with Da Vinci. The first thing I discovered is that Usb4 is not fully retrocompatibile with Thunderbolt 3 Usbc. This means that my 2xSSD raid normally running at 660mbit was going only at half of that, around 330mbit. So I moved the Da Vaniai project I was testing to the (very fast) internal hard drive and... got a bad surprise... My test project (12k footage in 4k timeline, some noise reduction, some grading, some blur, 3D etc..) took 16 minutes on the Mac mini M1 (16gb ram) and only 9 minutes on my "old" iMac2017 (4.2mhz, 64gb of ram). And I was using Da Vinci Studio 17.1 (a version that should be optimised for M1, and in fact was recognised as CPU Apple process and not Intel).
I was really expecting much more from this machine. Geekbench gives results as expected (actually slightly above Geekbenchh average for single a multicore), and in theory I should be almost double than the old iMac.. but actually is the other way round! Any idea?
Ouch, sorry to hear that. Is it possible you're using plugins in Resolve that aren't optimized for the M1 yet? I know I've heard from other people using Premiere that some plugins haven't been updated yet, and that can cause performance issues.
(also, 12k footage? nice)
@@JordanKeyes yes I used 12k in a 4K timeline... just to stress it a bit. Shorter timeline longer test.
I believe the problem is GPU. These video editing softwares have learned in the last years to pass a lot of operations to gpu . MacMini has double GeekBench score than my old Mac in cpu... but ATI Radeon 580 is still a good gpu and the on chip gpu can’t compete I believe.
I think that softwares that today are optimized for M1 are just translations. Real optimization will arrive when (for example) softwares will use the neural part of M1 for things like. Stabilization, noise reduction, auto masking etc. Currently they are obviously using normal cpu or gpu.
I will probably give it back as Inwas hoping to at leas match the old iMac so I could sell it
Nice & great comparison.👍
The usbc is a thunderbolt 3 speed, but it’s a usb 4 spec. The HDMI is a 2.0 version / the Giga Ethernet is a 1 Gig speed vs the 10 gig option for the space Grey version. Usb A is a 3.1 speed.
Max screens is 2, but if you have a 6k screen then it’ll run @ full resolution and 60 FPS.
Use the second usbc monitor via usbc to hdmi cable
Thanks for the extra information, that's really helpful!
Unfortunately the LG Ultrafine 4k monitor only works over USB-C without buying additional hardware. I tried with a USB-C to HDMI cable and it didn't work.
@@JordanKeyes
If you have a cal-digit hub then you can try that route to get the dual monitor setup working.
Hey Jordan, nice video. One question, can final cut pro run fine on 8 GB of RAM on that Mac mini or the new MacBook Pro?
I edited this entire video on the M1 Mac Mini, and had no issues. Background rendering off, "Better Quality", etc.
The only slowdowns I saw were when I had Chrome running at the same time, because Chrome eats RAM, but even then, I had 3 Chrome windows with a total of probably 30 tabs before I saw any kind of slowdown while editing.
Will it still run fine if I add only had five or 10 chrome tabs running? Would it be better if I upgrade the RAM or the storage?
I'm running the newly released version of Chrome for the M1 Macs, and I'm hopeful that it will get better over time.
For 5-10 Chrome tabs, FCP will most likely work just fine for most workflows. I'm editing 4k24 2-camera videos with no real issues here, and I expect it to only get better.
I really hope I don't regret that 6 months from now, but the extra $200 for upgrading to 16gb of ram just didn't seem worth it.
Type c to hdmi cable should work on those.
Unfortunately, I tried and it didn't work. The LG Ultrafine 4k runs in a Displayport Alt mode, and I haven't found a great solution yet. Someone suggested a Wacom displaylink adapter that's like $250, and at that point I'll just use the monitor as a secondary for my laptop and find an HDMI monitor for the Mac Mini. :)
Any Bluetooth connection issues?
None for me so far. I’ve been using the Magic Trackpad and Magic Keyboard, and a set of AirPods Pro with no problems.