Hey dude ! Thanks for the kind words ! I have watched many of your videos and I want to say thank you for the content ! Just for the record only my bass drum is triggered and I have used no samples at all on snare and toms. Not even a blend. 100% mic. Best wishes dude ! Cheers.
No offense, but the issue is the lying. Nobody cares if they trigger or edit as long as they don’t lie about it. Ricardo and Lord Marco lied. They lied about it. That was the issue.
And over the last four decades, many lies have been told in metal record production. As a former metalhead from the 1980’s: Metal is for poseurs, straight up.
Let me know when that happens. Bands being honest that note on your ticket "* No live music at Tonight's concert. The band decided to use backing tracks instead because they have hangovers from drinking too much last night. And for the entire tour". Because then I'll know "Hell just froze over". lol
@@johannjohann6523 Using backing tracks and playing to a playback aren't the same. Latter is literally bands pretending to play and backinc tracks are tracks that can't be produced live (orchestras, massive backing vocals, any electronic parts). Sure, you could bring an entire orchestra to a tour but who actually has the budget to bring a 60+ piece orchestra on the road.
I think this video is missing the point. No one in the "extreme drumming world" is operating under the assumption that kicks (or even snares much of the time) would be acoustic. Everyone is aware that triggers are used, and triggers are widely encouraged, especially for kicks, as it would be physically impossible to produce this type of music without them. The reason many of these drummers were getting called out was because they were uploading videos where they stated that the tracks were _unedited_. By unedited we don't mean devoid of triggers, we mean edits in post-production, such as aligning things to the grid and editing in samples where hits were missed or such. Everyone knows that most album recordings are grid aligned as well, but you can't do that live, so whoever gets the new role of playing drums for a band like Archspire has to be able to play it "clean enough" live, but it's never gonna be perfect like on an album.
this is a misinformed take, not that many people know about triggers and triggers aren't cheating. these guys claiming the videos aren't edited aren't lying you guys just complain about everything while being about as knowledgeable as a peasant in the dark age.
@@Jjsssssss claiming that it’s physically impossible to produce this type of music without triggered kicks is a delusional take. It’s completely possible to use raw, untriggered, unquantized bass drum audio in high-BPM, high-bass drum density extreme metal; as brutal death metal bands have been doing since the early 90’s. It may be impossible for them to be easily audible or well enunciated in a mix without triggering when playing 16th and 32nd notes nonstop at comically stupid speeds, but that’s an inherent flaw with this new ilk of artificial deathcore bands like Archspire, rings of saturn, infant annihilator etc., who write guitarpro drumlines with virtually no dynamics, often playing that nonstop machine gun double bass trite with double strokes instead of single alternating stroke with swivel technique like they should be played.
The issue wasn't sampling, it was the lying - claiming a playthrough video is unedited / raw - then defending the lie once you're caught and called out. Personally, it seems like a non-issue. I'm with you, I don't love this race to be the fastest. Lombardo all day.
John Longstreth played on our last album THETA and I mixed it, I can attest that his blastbeats and gravity blast are deceptively loud and consistenté His kicks are triggered but he plays them for real, I could hear them in drum cam mic he made. He's the real deal. I does need room treatment, I'll give you that much.
Same. Been a drummer for over 30 years, and if someone can actually play well, IDC if they trigger sounds. People aren't just judged by their chops, they're also judged by how it sonically sounds
Amen brother, took the the words right out of my mouth! I'm a hard hitting "groove" drummer and can't understand the triggers and faster=better thing. Musical notes are the letters, and 🥁 drum hits are the punctuation in the language of music, in my opinion.
you've been playing insane fast kicks for over 25 years, and this goonies mom looking goofball said they were "bullshit" damn... I understand why Derek Roddy was disappointed in the "metal community"
@@bmw_m4255Roddy didn’t use any triggers on Malevolent Creation In Cold Blood if I recall🧐 However ☝️Hate Eternal King of All Kings I am almost positive is recorded all organic…
@@ambassadortourettes753 you can't compare the sound of a hate eternal album to the sound of today's metal. music production has come a long way from having to pay thousands to rent equipment , we can now have premium quality sound from our homes. i know old metalheads hate this. they love the sludgy sound.. i truly don't .. i grew up listening to sludgy metal. i can't anymore hurts my eears.. .like Morbid Angel sound like crap to me now. good band but the sound is horrible for my ears now.
I appreciate all these new and fast technical drummers. Although I have to admit it gets monotonous. The earlier rock drummers were more about groove and put so many different beats and fills to so many songs, seems like there was so much more creativity.
40 year player here, I use a trigger on my kick, I love the bottom it gives me live, I turn it down on certain songs, and use it more on others. Here’s the deal, use them right, and they sound great….
As a few have pointed out, sample replacement in this genre of extreme metal is expected and widely known, thats not the issue, the problem is the people who have faked their auditions where in the video visibly they're not hitting the notes being played, gravity blast beats hesrd in the track not being played in the video. The point you made about the high bpm on the kick drums is spot on, the transients get lost due to the size of the drum head not recovering in time for the next hit. Triggers n samples in this extreme music becomes a tool to articulate the notes, it doesn't diminish the skill or technique involved, its a different conversation when the musicians physically cant or aren't playing the parts. Taste is taste man, you enjoy your flavour of music, others enjoy this, the musicianship is there regardless off the sanples used. Its not for everyone, its not supposed to, its an extreme form of music, its always going to have a niche audience.
Dude if Archspire is not your thing, I get it. But if they wind up on the boat you should join me and check them out. I think they do bring the song writing as well as the technical 'holy crap' vibe.
@@SpectreSoundStudios Yo ✌️ title track from Relentless Mutation is a great starting point, maybe the best dynamics in the catalogue. My personal favorites after that is Acrid Canon or Drain.O.I from the third record. Dave oteros a beast! & So are these guys! 🤘
I agree. When I was young I traveled with a death metal band in the '90s early '90s. All of us used Mike's a few guys would trigger their kicks but those guys were the ones that started playing light and tuning their kick drums high so they would have more rebound. You could hear at sound check the difference between Lombardo and Max cavaliera at some of the festivals we played and some of the new drummers. I myself am a heavy hitter but I still played fast. Fast single strokes taking endurance stamina and strength. I can't play these new heel toe double strokes but honestly I don't want to when you speed up the kicks so fast they don't have any punch anymore when they're a little slower they're more vicious they have more punch more groove. I was turned off by a lot of the new blast beat stuff and I played blast beats but just to tie parts together for a short amount of time It wasn't the whole song. Or even ever song. I tried my best to use linear drumming an odd time signatures or just straight hellacious heavy grooves all mixed together to make it interesting and more creative. I miss those days. While the new guys are fast they're druming's is not is good as far as to the ear.
Archspire's music is fucking GREAT. Don't get me wrong, there are obviously a fuckton of tech death bands you can accurately say prioritize difficulty of performance over musicality, but Archspire is not one of them. Very well-written songs
@@BittersweetDuality Possibly. Defeated sanity, epicardiectomy, devourment, brodequin, early decapitated, early dying fetus, pig destroyer, waking the cadaver, discordance axis do anything for you?
@theabsolute23 Yeah I love Decapitated and Dying Fetus. In fact Nihility has been my favorite tech death album for years and years. Defeated Sanity has been on my to-do list to check out but haven't gotten around to em yet
@ New Defeated Sanity is amazing they’re releasing another full length in a month which is gonna feel like Christmas morning for me, highly recommend you check out their old stuff beforehand too. The first half of Disposal of the Dead, Psalms of the Moribund, and Passages into Deformity are all perfect to me. I love Nihility too, kinda hard to pick between whether or not I like Nihility or Winds of Creation more.
I really need this video for my mental health. Right now I'm playing and progressing with my own pace. The information I get with this video that we just need to be ourselves. Just don't trying very hard to follow the current trend if it really wasn't your thing. Just play what you feel and need. I'm a slave to the economic globalist. Got a minimal free time to progress with tight schedule of daily working life. Just progress with whatever time left to play. Thank you Glenn.
Glenn, come on. Album stuff and metric fucktons of processing are one thing - sometimes the "whatever it takes" approach is the go to. That's what the studio is for, after all. But people expect all this insanely precise diarrhea of notes to be played on the stage (samples or not) and THERE ARE actual humans in the extreme genres who can pull it off. Of all people, I'd rather expect you to be the one to remember that triggered drums also need skill and precision. Especially from a drummer who's supposed to do this live. People hate the fake auditions because these players try to get views by blatantly lying.
i completly agree with you glenn that the groves have gone missing. I always try to keep my recordings feel as real as i can get them and not edit stuff if its not totally fucked up and i almost never do triggers for metal, nerd like i am there is ways to make acoustic drums sound massive and modern with the feel of a natural drummer intact still with his personality showing up on the record. I think its the editing and the loss of dynamics that kills most metal albums for me these days. And i hate when stuff sounds bad and weak. It must be aggresive and huge sounding but with the natural dynamics and things pulling back and forth to keep me interested.
I like that Glenn has conceded that for Archspire-level music, things like kick triggers are needed to sample the full power of a kick at that kind of speed. Also want to point out that Archspire's music itself is actually very well-written, the guitar melody lines are really memorable and catchy, and they're getting more popular as time goes on.
There are so many cool things that can be done with triggering - in essence Stewart Copeland initiated the concept - for polyrhythms. Metal is stagnant, meanwhile school kids in India are learning konnokal patterns these guys would have difficulty playing. No, Morse code sequences aren't the same thing...
I like Archspire. They're one of my favourite bands. I saw them live in Dublin in March of last year. Spencer is a phenomenal drummer and I'm sad he's gone from the band. He was always transparent about using triggers and heel toe technique on the bass drums. He actually fills them to keep them muffled. The band plays to a click track in their in-ears to stay tight live. The vocalist Oli is the technical death metal version of a stand-up comedian. I get what you're saying about time alignment and quantizing. But I got over that because they're a fun band with personality and what they play is better than listening to guys chugging away at the low strings and not going passed the 5th fret. Edit: Dave Lombardo is my favourite drummer of all time though.
Glenn, great content and thanks for the video! I do have to respectfully disagree with you on one thing. Whilst I share the opinion that raw musicality is at the heart of metal, as a prog metal drummer myself - I have to admit a massive bias in this regard - the technical aspect of music IS a quintessential part of the countercultural, rebellious aspect of rock and metal. It’s not meant to be elitist, but it is meant to be hard to play and that’s what makes it stand out above and beyond other forms of popular music. I find it ironic you would mention Scott Travis as Judas Priest have been always at the forefront of technical playing - to the point where the bass part of Painkiller is sampled and most of Angel of Retribution is grid-aligned - and that in no way detracts but rather enhances the musical experience. I do not love everything coming out of death metal and death core these days, but I can think of some examples in the drumming world: Ex-Dark Funeral’s Njels Fjelstrom and Dying Fetus’ Trey Williams, that have pushed the technical envelope further than most and still create musical landscapes. I do wholeheartedly agree that being technical for technical-sakes is BS. I apologise if I missed any nuance in your comment. Please, keep making these great videos! Cheers!
Agree It is awesome to hear a good grooving metal drummer. Lifts the music. Everyone can learn to play fast and all can time sync. But a band is elevated by a good drummer. Groove is king. And that's by a guitar player.
I think you missed the point no one is faking triggering its pretty obivous in this genre you have to trigger kick and snare. The "faking" of the videos is people claiming they are live recorded, unedited takes when they are not.
I personally don't have a problem with replacing kicks, as long as the drummer can actually play it, and it's just a tone thing. But the less typwriter ish it is, the better it is...but you surely have a point
This proves that speed can be copied,edited and duplicated. Groove is something that cannot be duplicated. Every drummers feel is unique and no one can play feel exactly the same as another.
Archspire, Aborted, Cattle Decapitation are some of my most beloved bands. You can't compare extreme technical modern death metal to bands like fucking steel panther and whatnot. That's like comparing steel panther and all those boomer metal bands to Acoustic Country music and saying "yeah distortion on guitars is bullshit and kills the message". I get where you're coming from and i usually agree with most of your rants, but you really missed the mark here, Glenn - because the "real ones" in these genres are still doing it for the message and not to be the "most mathematical" - i guarantee you that.
_Steel Panther_ is more a parody of boomer metal bands though, kinda like _Nanowar of Steel._ I mean, you still can't compare them with _Archspire_ but as far as messages goes, theirs is an intentional joke.
I've got a buddy who's never needed "fixing". When he's on, he's like the most primal neanderthal absolutely killing the kit, like no one else. This is so gold, I don't even wanna let people know about him. lmao It's a vibe, timing, either rushing a beat or not, most drummers can't handle that. As a thrash guitarist, I push the beat, so when a drummer does too, we rule. I'll also slow down later than the beat for grooves, making it extra groovy. It's all feel and touch, not machine-like, it's animal-like. Master the inner Neanderthal and use it for power.
Fake drum playthroughs, fake guitar playthrough, fake vocal playthroughs. Welcome to the age of modern social media musicians. The metal space is the worst about it. Not a single authentic performance in site. Triggers are debatable for me. The bigger issue imo is post editing, and miming to an edited performance. In addition to playing half speed and then speeding up etc.
These videos cured me of my G.A.S. I still buy stuff but my mentality I am different. Rather than buying something thinking it will make me sound a tiny fraction better, I buy stuff thinking this is going to be fun to mess with. We need more old school guys like you to pass down experience and knowledge. Unfortunately many musicians are still children showing off new shiny toys rather than showing off new shiny riffs. Thank you for doing what you do.
Yeah, he really should have chosen Rings of Saturn or Infant Annihilator as the main subject band, even though hes still watching the Archspire auditions. Archspire at least still plays live, without programming anything.
@@hhasteI’d say RoS, infant annihilator and archspire are all in the same boat as far as fake drum augmentation goes. At least RoS (who also fake and speed up some of their guitarlines) try (or used to try) to make some unique scalar lines to fit with the whole alien concept
@theabsolute23 I think Archspire's music is way more boring than RoS or IA, but ironically deserve to be kept out of this "overproduction quantized garbage" discussion considering that every single member of their band executes their parts live without issues or cheating. Their drummer can actually play that shit.
@@XueYlva they may be able to play their shit live but the studio records they put out absolutely sound like “overproduction quantized garbage” and undoubtedly are triggered to hell and probably quantized to grid too, so I’ll never be able to see them as anything else.
Your totally right man! Protools ruined it. I saw a video with Larry Grahm where he kicks a bass drum in perfect 1 2 3 4 time then does it again with some swagger. From that moment on i knew the swing is real and thats where the feel comes from. I like fast metal for the effort of execution. But theres a reason BB King could play 3 notes to others entire song and still be relevant! He loaded those notes with feel and swagger.. Its way harder to play slow and leave space for the feelings to sink in and resonate.. Great video and i really like how you credit these drumers speed and technicality just asking for more musical arrangements. Very cool 😎
I think drums are the cornerstone of any band. They make or break a band. Vocals are the most identifiable part of a band, but a bad drummer can ruin everything; however, a good drummer can save a lot. I think that is a big reason heavy music has become largely unoriginal. I've written a lot of songs where the drum beat came first, but most of the time, I was jamming with a drummer who came up with the beat on the spot, and we discovered the beginning of a new song and worked it out from there. These days, and I just found this out relatively recently, apparently a lot of people will program drums first using the same loops thousands of other musicians use. Then we wonder why music has become unoriginal. As far as this video, it's just musician olympics. The only people who like someone pretending to play something impossible are gullible musicians. Everyone else just moves on, lol. I miss the days where if you didn't have a drummer, you didn't have a band, lol.
Nobody has any ideas of they're own anymore they have to plagerise everything. Can't they play the same notes themselves without putting someone else's talent in with the talent they thi k they have? It's called making the song you're own! Play it like you composed it, not.like you STOLE IT! Small things fascinate small minds! 4:19
Your final comments brought a tear to my eye, how true. Music was heartfelt once but now used to gain notoriety by cheating. Where the hell did I park the DeLorean. Boss vid mate.
They write boring tech death that's just basically tech9ine songs in cookie monster growls (I like death metal and cookie monster growls.... when it's good... like Atheist, Bloodbath, etc)
Yeah, sure, but do you disagree? In what ways? Do you have anything to contribute or you just REALLY LIKE ALL CAPS? You have failed to state an opinion, but you are certainly free to be a chucklehead. I am free to think that’s no way to live. Substantive thoughtful discourse is my kink.
I've been aware of fake guitarist videos for years, as it's pretty easy to tell when they don't sound like where their fingers SHOULD be, and of course the strumming. I didn't become aware of the mass fraud being committed until this whole Archspire debacle exposing OBVIOUS fakes, even among us non drummers. Some are more obvious than others, but that's where real drummers have come in with their own videos showing WHY the more intricate of drummers have been faking it too. The craziest thing is, they are great drummers, no doubt, but to tarnish your reputation over something so small is insane. If they become "famous" to any degree, those videos will be used against them for the rest of their professional drumming lives. It's like a version of the "Chase Bank Glitch" that will just keep on giving. The difference between it happening in the music industry over the "past few decades" and now is more and more people are aware and are paying attention. Personally, I think it's hilarious.
I don't know, man, I have to disagree with you on htis one. I have absolutely no problem with ultra-processed music, drum triggers and all that - a lot of people like that sonic aesthetic. But I see it as something closer to beat making or EDM production, than actual musical performance. But... that's fine - nothing wrong with that, it's just a different genre of music! 🙂 Lots of people like EDM and it would be ridiculous to criticise that genre for their use of "fake drums"... drum machines are the foundation on which the genre was built! It's the same with this new wave of metal music; it's just a different musical genre, and people, by and large, happen to like it. The only thing I would possibly take issue with, is if someone meticulously edits their performance to "perfection" and tries to pass it off as a live take. That's the same as a singer being autotuned to hell and back, and trying to claim it's their natural voice. As long as people are up front and honest about it, there's absolutely zero problems. BUT - I don't think kick drum triggers fall into that category! Ever seen a live MPC finger-drumming performance? Is that "fake and bullshit" because they're just launching samples? I don't think so!
"The only thing I would possibly take issue with..." That's what I thought this video was going to be about, and now I'm just confused. I think Glen may be trolling here.
@@DrMackSplackemGlenn just didn't spend enough time looking into it before making the video and thus missed the whole point. As many others have stated.
I have for years now thought we should have a movement called "THE CAMPAIGN FOR REAL DRUMS", that could certify records with a special sticker or logo, guaranteed had used a real drummer with acoustic drums with mics in a studio, not a drum machine, computer drum software, sampled rhythms, or electronic drums and triggers. Very necessary to keep work coming in for session drummers, in an age when it is so much easier and cheaper to just switch on a readymade rhythm, rather than book a long session, haul in a carload of bulky noisy equipment, hang mics on it, and soundcheck it. Music consumers ( we used to be called 'fans'!) would then at least know what they were getting! Does anyone else like that idea? The name comes borrowed from a long running and very successful campaign in the UK, the Campaign For Real Ale, pushing for a return to artisan type beers and away from factory mass production. I have nothing against electronic drums. I always thought-- my guitarist and keyboard playing friends all have both electric and acoustic gear, so why not me? So i built up a good e-kit, picking up bargain secondhand parts and modules, experimented, had fun. I was in one band where they needed a player on e-kit, otherwise did a couple of gigs on it with my regular rock band. It was ok, but though an interesting difference, both i and the other guys found it odd to have the onstage drum sound squirting out of one 12- inch wide speaker hole in a box, rather than the 6-feet wide stereo spread of a full acoustic kit.... All my gigs are small venues or alternative festival stages, with smaller PA and monitor systems. I work as drumtech on a festival stage crew: in the two seasons since the Covid lockdown times, have helped put on several hundred bands in every imaginable style of music, but not one wanted to go on with an electronic kit. Most used the acoustic house kit i supply as it is quick and easy, ready mic'd and soundchecked (bringing their own breakables, cymbals and snare), a couple had a snare with built in triggers and an e-drum module, several more had Roland trigger pads at the side for fx.. This is surprising, as most music stores here are now selling far more e-kits than acoustic drums, i had expected to see more in live band use. Maybe this will change, I don't know? Anyway, an e-kit or triggers, are different instruments from the acoustic, just as with guitars, etc, and i am enjoying playing both, they give me different ideas on things to play. And it is great having an e-kit set up in the living room next to the kitchen, and i can sit on the kit in any idle moment like waiting for a kettle to boil, and come up with a new pattern to work out on. This gets so good that often i forget all about the kettle and have to put it back on 20 minutes later! I don't have neighbour noise problems here, but acoustic drums in a small room with no soundproofing are unpleasant and deafening, you just don't enjoy practising for any length of time. I wonder if other drummers reading this, also enjoy playing both these different instruments?
I am a drummer and I don’t like samples. Recorded two tracks with my metal band, one with real drums (sounded crappy due to lack of mics) and another with an e-kit, for which I hand-sampled each sound. While the sampled drums were 1000% easier to mix, there seemed to be energy lost when the computer processed those samples. There are only 127 values for velocity on a midi-trigger, but in real life drummers can get a lot more intricate with how they hit the drum. Also, a natural build-up of resonance occurs when a drum is hit consecutively many times, which is not something even the most advanced sampling VSTs can replicate. This is why it’s so easy to tell programmed/e-kit drums from the real deal.
It's not a trend. If you say something controversial or critical it's normal to not feel like being brigaded by crybabies for taking about it. Just general Internet culture these days
@@raxusquin nope, it's making deals with the algo.. as a trend; then later on changing the title or thumbnail, or both to something that would have made sense originally
@@raxusquin Yeah but this "I didn't want to do a video on so and so" and then proceeding to do a video like they ow us something is...weird. Hypocritical maybe?
I do wish people felt comfortable saying things that are going to be controversial without feeling the need to pre-emptively apologize and damage control with the “I didn’t wanna talk about this” line. Besides, the only people that are going to be upset about this video are the fake problem drummers themselves, archspire fans, etc., so who actually cares. Mike Caputo, Dan Presland; a lot of the drummers in the scene have already outwardly criticized the rampant editing and faking in modern metal drumming, it’s not like Glenn’s the first to say something, he’s taking an already established side
I don’t think he missed the point completely. Maybe a hair but I think he’s really just saying that this genre is all about showing off speed rather than a lot of old school metal that is really passionate in other aspects like lyrics and “feel”. And points out the editted clips too. He explained himself pretty well at the beginning and end of the video.
That is such a pet peeve of mine.. Metal musicians are so elitist they need all the expensive mics they can read about on gearslutz, only to sample replace them... and yet it still sounds like shit! In the 80s i ready people used drum synths/samplers and recorded live cymbals. That stuff sounds fantastic in my opinion. But honestly just mic a drumkit up with some mics and go to town and watch some youtube videos on mixing, its really not that difficult to get a decent/passable result.
I agree that the dick-measuring contest to the “who can be the fastest” has never made sense to me. But saying this kind of playing carries no meaning/no message and isn’t musical, is the other end of a bad discussion. There are some amazing bands whom have drummers play these kind of styles who are ab-so-lute-ly musical. Fleshgod apocalypse writes classic baroque pieces layered with complete orchestras combined with technical death metal. When there are more than 300 layers of instruments going it makes sense to see the drums more as a layer in the overal composition. Above all, I’d rather have a musician who had to train and work to achieve a certain “style”, even is that being the human equivalent of a drum machine, than to have someone with no talent being edited/cleaned/auto-tuned to fuck.
Having tons of layers over white noise doesn't make the noise musical. This drumming conveys nothing. There's no rhythm, which is the fundamental point of drums.
@@johnterpack3940 you’re absolutely right, dedicating countless of years practicing and honing your craft is absolutely the same equivalent as just never having any singing skills and auto-tuning the hell out your “performance”. You can absolutely say “I am not a fan of that kind of playing”, totally valid. But saying something isn’t musical just because you don’t like it is the equivalent of an old man yelling at clouds.
@@deaddrums Don't put words in my mouth. I never once said it didn't take skill. I didn't say it isn't musical because I don't like it. I don't like it because it isn't musical. There's a huge difference between the two. You lie as bad as a politician, completely misrepresent what people say.
@@johnterpack3940 oh god you accuse someone of using bad arguments while saying one of the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard… « I don’t like it because it’s not musical »… Like really? You get to choose what musicality is? And before you say « no dynamics » ok then harpsichord isn’t musical?… and before your say « always the same shit » yeah the 4/4 rock groove isn’t musical either then… oh and then you’re gonna say « no groove!! » yeah because opera music has no groove it’s not music?… At least be honest, you don’t like it, that’s all…
@lifeezane3526 There's a thousand things I don't like that I accept as music. This stuff is just guys pretending to be edgy. Just because you like something doesn't mean it's good.
Finally. That's what I was talking about triggers the whole time. You cannot not to use triggers at this point, because playing 180bpm+ is weak. It sounds weak, you have to trigger it. but on the other hand you missed the point. The thing is, there are a lot of cheaters, for example, adding/removing sounds, speed up the video etc.
This kind of ultra-technical drumming is as boring to me as ultra-technical guitar playing. Ooooh wowee woah woah wee woah, you can play really fast, admittedly a lot faster than I can. Now play me something that actually has some groove to it that non-musicians and non-nerds will actually want to listen to
Now I am not discouraged anymore as a jazz/prog rock drummer who didn't have knowledge of the sampling at this level before. Still sick players of course in their own ways.
I’ve seen this band live twice with Spencer on drums, killer set, everyone killed it! Live it seemed like he had kick and snare triggers, but still an amazing job playing this. I agree, I want real hits on the record, but live I’m more ok with triggers as a utility
The first track that I did with a real drummer was an experience. Since I'm a guitarist and NOT a drummer, I let him do the drum writing and editing. Even though it took him half a year to record the drums (he did it for free so there's that), he did a far better job than I could have ever done with ML Drum Lab 2. What I'm trying to say is: if you can, get your drums from a real drummer. For those who are curious, the track I'm talking about is 'Berserk Metal' on my channel. Geeetings from Lotasticland aka Austria 🇦🇹
As a live engineer for extreme metal, you might want to consider learning a little bit more about this sort of stuff. The kicks etc and sampled bullshit, they are not "replaced" as such. They are not replaced in the studio, they are triggered. They are playing it. It is the same as playing an e kit, you still have to play it. As far as John goes, its all natural with triggered kicks. Same goes for most on this video.
this was a hard watch considering you’ve been producing for how long and can’t identity live mic feeds? Also if you have no idea who John Longstreth, educate yourself
"John Longstreth’s practice concentrates in antitrust and regulated industries, primarily in the transportation and energy sectors, including administrative and federal court litigation, counseling, and obtaining and challenging regulatory approvals." I consider myself educated!
Yes you needed live feeds to record. But not all the garbage that's stolen from other artists, all samples. If you have talent, you don't need all that garbage if you are a true artist, and not a plagurist! If you need a machine to guide you, you have no real talent!
So you consider triggers to be cheating? I mean.... how is that different from using gear to get the most out of a guitarists performance? I mean no its not an apples to apples comparison but you get my drift
He's tip-toeing around the actual issue. And doing a shitty job of it. The issue is putting something on video that you did not actually play live when the video was originally made. Audio being manipulated afterwards, and only in that artificially manipulated form is it then posted. THAT is the issue, that's it! Post-production bullshit intended to make the listener hear something that never actually occurred.
It's a shame really because no one has ever said the guys can't play well, just pointing out the editing and faking some how makes us seem like we hate it or them personally, but it's just fake playing, how dare we want real talent on display.
There are few drummers that can actually do this; and the only one I know is George Kollias. The live demo he did with Pearl, playing "4th Arra of Dagon" shows it quite well. It's still way quieter than the sampled drums, but louder than most of these guys can do IRL.
I think the “UA-cam drama” about this is not about samples. Triggers have been a thing for decades now, the problem is that some of these drummer post “raw” videos that are heavily edited and add patterns that are not humanly possible (meaning it will require you have 3 hands to play it)
I always find that music like this doesn't sound heavy - it just doesn't hit. Its like ugly video game music or angry wallpaper. Its just all at one level.
Speed is a texture, and only one texture. Whatever your instrument, always, and only, go for riff and rhythm, and apply dexterity and finesse. That is the key to great songs.
1:25 Archspire is a technical death metal band. Difficult, yes. Not impossible. Especially for drummers trained in jazz. Don’t forget,….these bands play live too and…they pull it off somehow.
I can’t argue with your conclusion, Glenn. Yet I am still impressed with the whole meta-metal genre (saving myself a lot of typing of subgenres with that made-up word I just made up now). Each genre and subgenre has its place in the music world, and I, as a classical music composer who dabbles into lots of genres, sometimes have to remind myself of this. I can’t even think that fast, augmented drums or not! Mad respect for the metalverse and for you and your channel, Glenn!
I can gladly said I never fake my guitar video on youtube. Unlike some of my peers 😂 Edit: I have no qualms with trigger, it’s the miming of the prior recording that I have beef with. Especially if it’s just a simple cover. It is discouraging for the young audience to see the plateau that they can’t reach only to then knew it’s fake.
@@getshwiftygaming447 on layman terms this is what I truly think do I still find it’s weird in 2024 putting mimed demo in UA-cam? >Yes Mistakes are what made it humane. Obviously i would love to see a tight take. Do I think it is unnecessary for demo >No If it is a play over video with tabs I considered it educational (tho the tab kinda not accurate in some video) Does there exist people that did great demo without miming shit >Yes I’ve seen few of em in person. These people were monsters. Do I still find guitarist that still mime simple playthrough as a hack >Yes Keyword I’m implying here is simple. You know they pretend it’s just a simple track but obviously it’s edited to hell. Some even claimed their take is non edited track when it’s obviously is not tho. This is where I draw the line for mime take.
Don't be hating on Archspire lmao they're just the best in the business right now. You can be a good drummer without being a speed demon still. It's just that that specific genre _TECHNICAL_ death metal requires technical proficiency. And no one cares about triggers. It's not playing at all and pretending you are that most of us are annoyed at. But good deep dive! Always appreciate a production opinion on these topics
Nice monologue at the end, Glenn. Seriously, I’m with you. I imagine you’re going to get the same sh!t I do when I make the same criticisms on this style of drumming. I’m all for people having their own thing and doing and digging whatever, but this doesn’t style of drumming doesn’t appeal to me at all. I like drums that groove, that are clever and creative. Thanks for the video, man!
Yeah, you don't like it, you like groove, good for you. Some of us like the agressive and intense vibe that blast beats can bring. Who are you to say your taste is anyhow better than kids liking ridiculous blast beats?
@@tomaskacer8360 Jeez, dude, this is exactly the kind of reaction I'm talking about! I very clearly said I am all for people digging their own thing. I never said I was better than anyone for HAVING MY OWN TASTES. I simply stated that this does not appeal to ME, not that it's bad in any way. I don't give a shit what anyone else likes. I don't like country, rap/hip hop, pop, and death metal (mostly due to the vocals, I do appreciate some of the guitar work), but that doesn't mean I think my taste is better than anyone else's, other than how my taste relates to me. You do you, man. I just stated what I like & that I agree with what Glenn said in this video. Who are you to say anything about my tastes? Right? Good for you that you like blast beats. I don't. I won't tell you what to listen to, and maybe you shouldn't put words in my mouth.
@DoomedTraveler yeah, if you don't think extreme drumming can be as much creative and clever as whatever you Are into, than you are the Silly Billy here... Also, aren't you a bit old for this lame and silly passive agressive writing? Here's this sneaky fella for a good measure too. " :) "
@@tomaskacer8360 But isn't a 300 bmp bass beat that's sampled just like another 300 bmp bass beat that was sampled? The drummer might as well be R2D2 or a DJ.
@@tomaskacer8360 There's nothing creative or clever about it. It's just "go as fast as possible". Nobody can hear the difference between one song and the next. You can't even tell one band from the next. It's boring as hell. Like listening to static on the radio.
Triggered kicks are part of the tech death genre at this point. Archspire's own drummer Spencer (the one they're replacing) himself has openly stated that his kicks are triggered, but only his kicks alone, because it's part of the style.
I'm 58, an 80s product who played in bands growing up, and still play! Drums were what kept everyone in time and had a beat that would pound through your body when in the audience! Watching a drum solo was earth-quaking and the highlight of every concert! But now drums arent the heart of bands,, they area way for the drummer to compete with others on how much more like a machine gun can you sound! Speed may be a good talent, but it sounds like shit in music! That's my opinion anyway!
Lol you don't know what you're talking about 👍 Drummers are definitely the heart of the band in extreme metal, alot of bands start the songs with drum/rhythm ideas n write guitars after drum parts. Anyone who calls themselves an "80s" prodigy garunteed sucks
@@MikeDavidson-u4w OK,, first of all dink,, my spell check on my darn phone typed prodigy, when I meant to type 'product ' of the 80s which makes more sense in the context, which i fixed.. you could use some spell check yourself,, "guaranteed" is how it's spelled! Second,, you basically said the same thing I did, LOL, (that was making fun of your usage of it,, men don't LOL)! I actually been there,, I was in a few local successful bands! I am taking it playing your computer keyboard is as far as you got,, hmmm?! oh wait,, lol
I really hope Greg gets the job. All his videos were beyond impressive and he has the shortest commute. Btw, Kevin Paradis and John Longstreth are highly sought after session drummers. They also play in some of the most ridiculous bands around: Kevin is in Benighted and John is in both Origin and Hate Eternal.
I know this video is about drums but I am so proud that I am an accidental owner of the Gotoh HB guitar Glenn has on his wall (see my profile pic). Although mine is the "robin" blue and it lost a lot of it's colour but who cares. Plays and sounds awesome. Just need to practice more.
Really does absolutely nothing for me. Sounds as ridiculous as the old Roland drum machine we had that we used to wind up to full speed in rehearsals just for a laugh. It may be clever, obviously some love it but to me a lot of it is just comedy gold.
People need to stop lying. Setting a "perfect standard" and it being unobtainable. Sets a bad example and frankly demeaning view on those trying to learn and better themselves and then see this and think they aren't good enough.
Glenn.. I CANT BELIEVE you don’t have the exact same opinions as I do!!! Unsubscribed!!!
GOOD RIDDANCE !!
Hmmm, guess he hurt your feelings. Problem is, hes right. ;-)
I opened this hoping to find more jokes, but lost faith in humanity instead. 😭
@massapower it's a... you get it's a joke, right? 😅
dont feed into it… lmfao
Hey dude ! Thanks for the kind words ! I have watched many of your videos and I want to say thank you for the content ! Just for the record only my bass drum is triggered and I have used no samples at all on snare and toms. Not even a blend. 100% mic. Best wishes dude ! Cheers.
You are a beast and a legend. Anyone who has watched many videos from your channel knows that you are genuine and the real deal.
i really hope you get the gig man
I hope you get that job Kevin! No one deserves it more!
you're easily my favourite of all the drummers I watched
Great work! Fwiw, I’d love to have you on the show at some point!!
No offense, but the issue is the lying. Nobody cares if they trigger or edit as long as they don’t lie about it. Ricardo and Lord Marco lied. They lied about it. That was the issue.
And over the last four decades, many lies have been told in metal record production. As a former metalhead from the 1980’s: Metal is for poseurs, straight up.
@@JeremyAndersonBoise because metalheads are nice people cosplaying as mean people
Let me know when that happens. Bands being honest that note on your ticket "* No live music at Tonight's concert. The band decided to use backing tracks instead because they have hangovers from drinking too much last night. And for the entire tour". Because then I'll know "Hell just froze over". lol
Milli vanilli lied.
Then it became accepted to lip sync instead of singing the shows..as ozzy Hahahahaha
@@johannjohann6523 Using backing tracks and playing to a playback aren't the same. Latter is literally bands pretending to play and backinc tracks are tracks that can't be produced live (orchestras, massive backing vocals, any electronic parts). Sure, you could bring an entire orchestra to a tour but who actually has the budget to bring a 60+ piece orchestra on the road.
I think this video is missing the point. No one in the "extreme drumming world" is operating under the assumption that kicks (or even snares much of the time) would be acoustic. Everyone is aware that triggers are used, and triggers are widely encouraged, especially for kicks, as it would be physically impossible to produce this type of music without them.
The reason many of these drummers were getting called out was because they were uploading videos where they stated that the tracks were _unedited_. By unedited we don't mean devoid of triggers, we mean edits in post-production, such as aligning things to the grid and editing in samples where hits were missed or such.
Everyone knows that most album recordings are grid aligned as well, but you can't do that live, so whoever gets the new role of playing drums for a band like Archspire has to be able to play it "clean enough" live, but it's never gonna be perfect like on an album.
yep, this video misses the original point. entirely.
this is a misinformed take, not that many people know about triggers and triggers aren't cheating. these guys claiming the videos aren't edited aren't lying you guys just complain about everything while being about as knowledgeable as a peasant in the dark age.
@@Jjsssssss claiming that it’s physically impossible to produce this type of music without triggered kicks is a delusional take. It’s completely possible to use raw, untriggered, unquantized bass drum audio in high-BPM, high-bass drum density extreme metal; as brutal death metal bands have been doing since the early 90’s. It may be impossible for them to be easily audible or well enunciated in a mix without triggering when playing 16th and 32nd notes nonstop at comically stupid speeds, but that’s an inherent flaw with this new ilk of artificial deathcore bands like Archspire, rings of saturn, infant annihilator etc., who write guitarpro drumlines with virtually no dynamics, often playing that nonstop machine gun double bass trite with double strokes instead of single alternating stroke with swivel technique like they should be played.
Thank you! Absolutely agree. So many people are completely missing the point. Triggers are not the issue. Dishonesty is.
Agreed 💯%. POST production is their issue.
As a big Charlie Watts fan, I don't understand any of this.
The issue wasn't sampling, it was the lying - claiming a playthrough video is unedited / raw - then defending the lie once you're caught and called out.
Personally, it seems like a non-issue. I'm with you, I don't love this race to be the fastest. Lombardo all day.
Sampling IS lying
@@SpectreSoundStudios Cut the crap, you know damn well that is not what he was saying.
@@SpectreSoundStudios EQing is lying
@@SpectreSoundStudiosare you being deliberately obtuse?
@@dinospumoni663 have you SEEN his channel before?
John Longstreth played on our last album THETA and I mixed it, I can attest that his blastbeats and gravity blast are deceptively loud and consistenté His kicks are triggered but he plays them for real, I could hear them in drum cam mic he made. He's the real deal. I does need room treatment, I'll give you that much.
I’m absolutely fine with triggers and stuff so long as they’re actually playing it
"He's firing up samples, not actually playing the drums" lol
But would you consider it "playing" if the guy is barely touching the snare and sounding like a machine gun ?
7:14
Same. Been a drummer for over 30 years, and if someone can actually play well, IDC if they trigger sounds. People aren't just judged by their chops, they're also judged by how it sonically sounds
I've seen Kevin live from just a few feet away. If anyone can pull it off, he can!
This. I watched him from side stage when Benighted supported Aborted. Absolutely insane stuff.
Started the video at 0.5 speed and I thought Glenn was wasted 😂
I watch about everything in 2 x so it was very entertaining till i dropped to a respectable 1.5 speed 😂
Hi-la-rious!! Thanks for the tip. It made the rant a whole lot more entertaining!😂
@@PooNinja hah yea same here too, I was like "dude they're playing fast, ofc it's triggered" xD
That is fun. 😂
@@PooNinjahow can you possibly watch anything in 2x speed
Amen brother, took the the words right out of my mouth! I'm a hard hitting "groove" drummer and can't understand the triggers and faster=better thing. Musical notes are the letters, and 🥁 drum hits are the punctuation in the language of music, in my opinion.
dude. thanks for the pointers! There is a trigger on the snare that i attempted to blend with the live snare. Kicks are triggered and i played them.
Thanks for dropping by, John! Please check out GIK acoustics, they can help clean up that cymbal harshness
hi john
you've been playing insane fast kicks for over 25 years, and this goonies mom looking goofball said they were "bullshit" damn... I understand why Derek Roddy was disappointed in the "metal community"
@@bmw_m4255Roddy didn’t use any triggers on Malevolent Creation In Cold Blood if I recall🧐 However ☝️Hate Eternal King of All Kings I am almost positive is recorded all organic…
@@ambassadortourettes753 you can't compare the sound of a hate eternal album to the sound of today's metal. music production has come a long way from having to pay thousands to rent equipment , we can now have premium quality sound from our homes. i know old metalheads hate this. they love the sludgy sound.. i truly don't .. i grew up listening to sludgy metal. i can't anymore hurts my eears.. .like Morbid Angel sound like crap to me now. good band but the sound is horrible for my ears now.
2024 we still have guys that don't get the difference between triggers and faking/edits
Hey, I just wanted to let you know I appreciated you making this 16 minute video addressing a point no one is making.
LOL
I appreciate all these new and fast technical drummers. Although I have to admit it gets monotonous. The earlier rock drummers were more about groove and put so many different beats and fills to so many songs, seems like there was so much more creativity.
@@johnswan9639 you're listening to one groove they have, and that's speed. Big deal, but can they actually play all types of music? No!
40 year player here, I use a trigger on my kick, I love the bottom it gives me live, I turn it down on certain songs, and use it more on others. Here’s the deal, use them right, and they sound great….
As a few have pointed out, sample replacement in this genre of extreme metal is expected and widely known, thats not the issue, the problem is the people who have faked their auditions where in the video visibly they're not hitting the notes being played, gravity blast beats hesrd in the track not being played in the video.
The point you made about the high bpm on the kick drums is spot on, the transients get lost due to the size of the drum head not recovering in time for the next hit.
Triggers n samples in this extreme music becomes a tool to articulate the notes, it doesn't diminish the skill or technique involved, its a different conversation when the musicians physically cant or aren't playing the parts.
Taste is taste man, you enjoy your flavour of music, others enjoy this, the musicianship is there regardless off the sanples used. Its not for everyone, its not supposed to, its an extreme form of music, its always going to have a niche audience.
Dude if Archspire is not your thing, I get it. But if they wind up on the boat you should join me and check them out. I think they do bring the song writing as well as the technical 'holy crap' vibe.
Ok! I’ll be sure to check them out
Archspire is an amazing band and Dave Oteros mixes on their albums are killer.
@@SpectreSoundStudios Yo ✌️ title track from Relentless Mutation is a great starting point, maybe the best dynamics in the catalogue. My personal favorites after that is Acrid Canon or Drain.O.I from the third record.
Dave oteros a beast! & So are these guys!
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I agree. When I was young I traveled with a death metal band in the '90s early '90s. All of us used Mike's a few guys would trigger their kicks but those guys were the ones that started playing light and tuning their kick drums high so they would have more rebound. You could hear at sound check the difference between Lombardo and Max cavaliera at some of the festivals we played and some of the new drummers. I myself am a heavy hitter but I still played fast. Fast single strokes taking endurance stamina and strength. I can't play these new heel toe double strokes but honestly I don't want to when you speed up the kicks so fast they don't have any punch anymore when they're a little slower they're more vicious they have more punch more groove. I was turned off by a lot of the new blast beat stuff and I played blast beats but just to tie parts together for a short amount of time It wasn't the whole song. Or even ever song. I tried my best to use linear drumming an odd time signatures or just straight hellacious heavy grooves all mixed together to make it interesting and more creative. I miss those days. While the new guys are fast they're druming's is not is good as far as to the ear.
Archspire's music is fucking GREAT. Don't get me wrong, there are obviously a fuckton of tech death bands you can accurately say prioritize difficulty of performance over musicality, but Archspire is not one of them. Very well-written songs
@@BittersweetDuality archspire is great if you just started listening to extreme metal this year and don’t know quality yet
@theabsolute23 I'll bet you anything that we have plenty of overlap in our favorite extreme metal bands.
@@BittersweetDuality Possibly. Defeated sanity, epicardiectomy, devourment, brodequin, early decapitated, early dying fetus, pig destroyer, waking the cadaver, discordance axis do anything for you?
@theabsolute23 Yeah I love Decapitated and Dying Fetus. In fact Nihility has been my favorite tech death album for years and years. Defeated Sanity has been on my to-do list to check out but haven't gotten around to em yet
@ New Defeated Sanity is amazing they’re releasing another full length in a month which is gonna feel like Christmas morning for me, highly recommend you check out their old stuff beforehand too. The first half of Disposal of the Dead, Psalms of the Moribund, and Passages into Deformity are all perfect to me. I love Nihility too, kinda hard to pick between whether or not I like Nihility or Winds of Creation more.
I really need this video for my mental health.
Right now I'm playing and progressing with my own pace. The information I get with this video that we just need to be ourselves.
Just don't trying very hard to follow the current trend if it really wasn't your thing.
Just play what you feel and need.
I'm a slave to the economic globalist. Got a minimal free time to progress with tight schedule of daily working life. Just progress with whatever time left to play.
Thank you Glenn.
You somehow missed the entire point.
This was great. Thanks, Glenn!
Glenn, come on. Album stuff and metric fucktons of processing are one thing - sometimes the "whatever it takes" approach is the go to. That's what the studio is for, after all. But people expect all this insanely precise diarrhea of notes to be played on the stage (samples or not) and THERE ARE actual humans in the extreme genres who can pull it off. Of all people, I'd rather expect you to be the one to remember that triggered drums also need skill and precision. Especially from a drummer who's supposed to do this live. People hate the fake auditions because these players try to get views by blatantly lying.
@@sultankosmitov6293 👏👏👏💯
I mean he does kinda say this at point lols 😝
i completly agree with you glenn that the groves have gone missing.
I always try to keep my recordings feel as real as i can get them and not edit stuff if its not totally fucked up and i almost never do triggers for metal,
nerd like i am there is ways to make acoustic drums sound massive and modern with the feel of a natural drummer intact still with his personality showing up on the record.
I think its the editing and the loss of dynamics that kills most metal albums for me these days. And i hate when stuff sounds bad and weak. It must be aggresive and huge sounding but with the natural dynamics and things pulling back and forth to keep me interested.
I like that Glenn has conceded that for Archspire-level music, things like kick triggers are needed to sample the full power of a kick at that kind of speed. Also want to point out that Archspire's music itself is actually very well-written, the guitar melody lines are really memorable and catchy, and they're getting more popular as time goes on.
I'm so glad you made this video. Much love from Alabama! Roll Tide!
I don't get in wich world you would review some archspire videos and say "omg the kick is triggered" no shit
It's absurd
There are so many cool things that can be done with triggering - in essence Stewart Copeland initiated the concept - for polyrhythms. Metal is stagnant, meanwhile school kids in India are learning konnokal patterns these guys would have difficulty playing.
No, Morse code sequences aren't the same thing...
I like Archspire. They're one of my favourite bands. I saw them live in Dublin in March of last year. Spencer is a phenomenal drummer and I'm sad he's gone from the band. He was always transparent about using triggers and heel toe technique on the bass drums. He actually fills them to keep them muffled. The band plays to a click track in their in-ears to stay tight live. The vocalist Oli is the technical death metal version of a stand-up comedian. I get what you're saying about time alignment and quantizing. But I got over that because they're a fun band with personality and what they play is better than listening to guys chugging away at the low strings and not going passed the 5th fret. Edit: Dave Lombardo is my favourite drummer of all time though.
IIRC Archspire play to stems as opposed to simply a click. Which is pretty funny!
Glenn, great content and thanks for the video! I do have to respectfully disagree with you on one thing. Whilst I share the opinion that raw musicality is at the heart of metal, as a prog metal drummer myself - I have to admit a massive bias in this regard - the technical aspect of music IS a quintessential part of the countercultural, rebellious aspect of rock and metal. It’s not meant to be elitist, but it is meant to be hard to play and that’s what makes it stand out above and beyond other forms of popular music. I find it ironic you would mention Scott Travis as Judas Priest have been always at the forefront of technical playing - to the point where the bass part of Painkiller is sampled and most of Angel of Retribution is grid-aligned - and that in no way detracts but rather enhances the musical experience. I do not love everything coming out of death metal and death core these days, but I can think of some examples in the drumming world: Ex-Dark Funeral’s Njels Fjelstrom and Dying Fetus’ Trey Williams, that have pushed the technical envelope further than most and still create musical landscapes. I do wholeheartedly agree that being technical for technical-sakes is BS. I apologise if I missed any nuance in your comment. Please, keep making these great videos! Cheers!
Historically is their "Keys to the Lamborghini" moment 🤷🏽
Agree
It is awesome to hear a good grooving metal drummer.
Lifts the music.
Everyone can learn to play fast and all can time sync.
But a band is elevated by a good drummer.
Groove is king.
And that's by a guitar player.
I think you missed the point no one is faking triggering its pretty obivous in this genre you have to trigger kick and snare. The "faking" of the videos is people claiming they are live recorded, unedited takes when they are not.
I’m not the one who missed the point.
@@SpectreSoundStudios hell yes you did... missed by about 20 years.
@@SpectreSoundStudios Yes, you did, and I think you did it on purpose.
You don't "have to" trigger anything
@@HabAnagarek for sure, but in the the tech death genre it's fairly common practice to achieve level sounds when hitting what amounts to ghost notes.
I personally don't have a problem with replacing kicks, as long as the drummer can actually play it, and it's just a tone thing. But the less typwriter ish it is, the better it is...but you surely have a point
This proves that speed can be copied,edited and duplicated. Groove is something that cannot be duplicated. Every drummers feel is unique and no one can play feel exactly the same as another.
Archspire, Aborted, Cattle Decapitation are some of my most beloved bands.
You can't compare extreme technical modern death metal to bands like fucking steel panther and whatnot.
That's like comparing steel panther and all those boomer metal bands to Acoustic Country music and saying "yeah distortion on guitars is bullshit and kills the message".
I get where you're coming from and i usually agree with most of your rants, but you really missed the mark here, Glenn - because the "real ones" in these genres are still doing it for the message and not to be the "most mathematical" - i guarantee you that.
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This!
_Steel Panther_ is more a parody of boomer metal bands though, kinda like _Nanowar of Steel._ I mean, you still can't compare them with _Archspire_ but as far as messages goes, theirs is an intentional joke.
I've got a buddy who's never needed "fixing". When he's on, he's like the most primal neanderthal absolutely killing the kit, like no one else. This is so gold, I don't even wanna let people know about him. lmao It's a vibe, timing, either rushing a beat or not, most drummers can't handle that. As a thrash guitarist, I push the beat, so when a drummer does too, we rule. I'll also slow down later than the beat for grooves, making it extra groovy. It's all feel and touch, not machine-like, it's animal-like. Master the inner Neanderthal and use it for power.
Fake drum playthroughs, fake guitar playthrough, fake vocal playthroughs. Welcome to the age of modern social media musicians. The metal space is the worst about it. Not a single authentic performance in site.
Triggers are debatable for me. The bigger issue imo is post editing, and miming to an edited performance. In addition to playing half speed and then speeding up etc.
And they still can't write a decent song. That's why many do covers even if it's there own song at their concerts.
Not this guy !!!
It's everywhere, not only metal
@@binh.pham277 that is true, I guess I’m just more aware of it in the metal space since I spend a lot of my time there.
"Not a single authentic performance in site. " are you sure you're not exaggerating a bit here?
These videos cured me of my G.A.S. I still buy stuff but my mentality I am different. Rather than buying something thinking it will make me sound a tiny fraction better, I buy stuff thinking this is going to be fun to mess with. We need more old school guys like you to pass down experience and knowledge. Unfortunately many musicians are still children showing off new shiny toys rather than showing off new shiny riffs. Thank you for doing what you do.
I love Glenn and his videos, but shitting on Archspire feels a lot like "old man yelling at clouds" lol
Yeah, he really should have chosen Rings of Saturn or Infant Annihilator as the main subject band, even though hes still watching the Archspire auditions. Archspire at least still plays live, without programming anything.
@@hhasteI’d say RoS, infant annihilator and archspire are all in the same boat as far as fake drum augmentation goes. At least RoS (who also fake and speed up some of their guitarlines) try (or used to try) to make some unique scalar lines to fit with the whole alien concept
@theabsolute23 I think Archspire's music is way more boring than RoS or IA, but ironically deserve to be kept out of this "overproduction quantized garbage" discussion considering that every single member of their band executes their parts live without issues or cheating.
Their drummer can actually play that shit.
@@XueYlva they may be able to play their shit live but the studio records they put out absolutely sound like “overproduction quantized garbage” and undoubtedly are triggered to hell and probably quantized to grid too, so I’ll never be able to see them as anything else.
This!😁
Your totally right man! Protools ruined it. I saw a video with Larry Grahm where he kicks a bass drum in perfect 1 2 3 4 time then does it again with some swagger. From that moment on i knew the swing is real and thats where the feel comes from. I like fast metal for the effort of execution. But theres a reason BB King could play 3 notes to others entire song and still be relevant! He loaded those notes with feel and swagger.. Its way harder to play slow and leave space for the feelings to sink in and resonate.. Great video and i really like how you credit these drumers speed and technicality just asking for more musical arrangements. Very cool 😎
I think drums are the cornerstone of any band. They make or break a band. Vocals are the most identifiable part of a band, but a bad drummer can ruin everything; however, a good drummer can save a lot. I think that is a big reason heavy music has become largely unoriginal. I've written a lot of songs where the drum beat came first, but most of the time, I was jamming with a drummer who came up with the beat on the spot, and we discovered the beginning of a new song and worked it out from there. These days, and I just found this out relatively recently, apparently a lot of people will program drums first using the same loops thousands of other musicians use. Then we wonder why music has become unoriginal. As far as this video, it's just musician olympics. The only people who like someone pretending to play something impossible are gullible musicians. Everyone else just moves on, lol. I miss the days where if you didn't have a drummer, you didn't have a band, lol.
Nobody has any ideas of they're own anymore they have to plagerise everything. Can't they play the same notes themselves without putting someone else's talent in with the talent they thi k they have? It's called making the song you're own! Play it like you composed it, not.like you STOLE IT! Small things fascinate small minds! 4:19
Your final comments brought a tear to my eye, how true. Music was heartfelt once but now used to gain notoriety by cheating. Where the hell did I park the DeLorean. Boss vid mate.
Arch Spire push boundaries but also write actual songs.
I love Archspire! They're hilarious too.
…you sure about that?
@@GainovermgI mean it's one of their objectives as a band yeah
They write boring tech death that's just basically tech9ine songs in cookie monster growls (I like death metal and cookie monster growls.... when it's good... like Atheist, Bloodbath, etc)
@@CCDaDon15 Archspire's compositions are actually good listen to Drain of incarnation. Atheist writes riffs salads.
That opening sentence is an instant classic 😂😂😂
OLD MAN SHAKES FIST AT METAL SUBGENRE
LOL
Pretty much..
I'm an old man... I think I might mindlessly join in with the fist-shaking. 😄((✊️)) Shake harder, boy!!
Yeah, sure, but do you disagree? In what ways? Do you have anything to contribute or you just REALLY LIKE ALL CAPS? You have failed to state an opinion, but you are certainly free to be a chucklehead. I am free to think that’s no way to live. Substantive thoughtful discourse is my kink.
@@JeremyAndersonBoise DISCOURSE DEEZ NUTS 🥜
I have to agree, most metal I hear now sounds like a drum machine sped up, that, and the Cookie Monster vocal turned me off of modern metal.
Kevin Paradis is the real deal, I've seen him live a few times. He can legit blast at 320bpm.
So...?
I've been aware of fake guitarist videos for years, as it's pretty easy to tell when they don't sound like where their fingers SHOULD be, and of course the strumming. I didn't become aware of the mass fraud being committed until this whole Archspire debacle exposing OBVIOUS fakes, even among us non drummers. Some are more obvious than others, but that's where real drummers have come in with their own videos showing WHY the more intricate of drummers have been faking it too. The craziest thing is, they are great drummers, no doubt, but to tarnish your reputation over something so small is insane. If they become "famous" to any degree, those videos will be used against them for the rest of their professional drumming lives. It's like a version of the "Chase Bank Glitch" that will just keep on giving. The difference between it happening in the music industry over the "past few decades" and now is more and more people are aware and are paying attention. Personally, I think it's hilarious.
I don't know, man, I have to disagree with you on htis one. I have absolutely no problem with ultra-processed music, drum triggers and all that - a lot of people like that sonic aesthetic. But I see it as something closer to beat making or EDM production, than actual musical performance. But... that's fine - nothing wrong with that, it's just a different genre of music! 🙂 Lots of people like EDM and it would be ridiculous to criticise that genre for their use of "fake drums"... drum machines are the foundation on which the genre was built! It's the same with this new wave of metal music; it's just a different musical genre, and people, by and large, happen to like it.
The only thing I would possibly take issue with, is if someone meticulously edits their performance to "perfection" and tries to pass it off as a live take. That's the same as a singer being autotuned to hell and back, and trying to claim it's their natural voice. As long as people are up front and honest about it, there's absolutely zero problems.
BUT - I don't think kick drum triggers fall into that category! Ever seen a live MPC finger-drumming performance? Is that "fake and bullshit" because they're just launching samples? I don't think so!
"The only thing I would possibly take issue with..." That's what I thought this video was going to be about, and now I'm just confused. I think Glen may be trolling here.
@@DrMackSplackemGlenn just didn't spend enough time looking into it before making the video and thus missed the whole point. As many others have stated.
Samples are... OTHER PEOPLES! CAN'T ANYONE THINK OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT ON THEIR OWN ANYMORE, DONT THEY HAVE ANY IDEAS. THATS THE TALENT!
I have for years now thought we should have a movement called "THE CAMPAIGN FOR REAL DRUMS", that could certify records with a special sticker or logo, guaranteed had used a real drummer with acoustic drums with mics in a studio, not a drum machine, computer drum software, sampled rhythms, or electronic drums and triggers.
Very necessary to keep work coming in for session drummers, in an age when it is so much easier and cheaper to just switch on a readymade rhythm, rather than book a long session, haul in a carload of bulky noisy equipment, hang mics on it, and soundcheck it.
Music consumers ( we used to be called 'fans'!) would then at least know what they were getting!
Does anyone else like that idea?
The name comes borrowed from a long running and very successful campaign in the UK, the Campaign For Real Ale, pushing for a return to artisan type beers and away from factory mass production.
I have nothing against electronic drums. I always thought-- my guitarist and keyboard playing friends all have both electric and acoustic gear, so why not me?
So i built up a good e-kit, picking up bargain secondhand parts and modules, experimented, had fun.
I was in one band where they needed a player on e-kit, otherwise did a couple of gigs on it with my regular rock band.
It was ok, but though an interesting difference, both i and the other guys found it odd to have the onstage drum sound squirting out of one 12- inch wide speaker hole in a box, rather than the 6-feet wide stereo spread of a full acoustic kit.... All my gigs are small venues or alternative festival stages, with smaller PA and monitor systems.
I work as drumtech on a festival stage crew: in the two seasons since the Covid lockdown times, have helped put on several hundred bands in every imaginable style of music, but not one wanted to go on with an electronic kit.
Most used the acoustic house kit i supply as it is quick and easy, ready mic'd and soundchecked (bringing their own breakables, cymbals and snare), a couple had a snare with built in triggers and an e-drum module, several more had Roland trigger pads at the side for fx..
This is surprising, as most music stores here are now selling far more e-kits than acoustic drums, i had expected to see more in live band use. Maybe this will change, I don't know?
Anyway, an e-kit or triggers, are different instruments from the acoustic, just as with guitars, etc, and i am enjoying playing both, they give me different ideas on things to play.
And it is great having an e-kit set up in the living room next to the kitchen, and i can sit on the kit in any idle moment like waiting for a kettle to boil, and come up with a new pattern to work out on.
This gets so good that often i forget all about the kettle and have to put it back on 20 minutes later!
I don't have neighbour noise problems here, but acoustic drums in a small room with no soundproofing are unpleasant and deafening, you just don't enjoy practising for any length of time.
I wonder if other drummers reading this, also enjoy playing both these different instruments?
tldr: “everything is fake so who cares if I’m conflating sample replacement with fake performance”
I am a drummer and I don’t like samples. Recorded two tracks with my metal band, one with real drums (sounded crappy due to lack of mics) and another with an e-kit, for which I hand-sampled each sound. While the sampled drums were 1000% easier to mix, there seemed to be energy lost when the computer processed those samples. There are only 127 values for velocity on a midi-trigger, but in real life drummers can get a lot more intricate with how they hit the drum. Also, a natural build-up of resonance occurs when a drum is hit consecutively many times, which is not something even the most advanced sampling VSTs can replicate. This is why it’s so easy to tell programmed/e-kit drums from the real deal.
What is is with this current trend of "I didn't want to make this video" or something along those lines?
It's not a trend. If you say something controversial or critical it's normal to not feel like being brigaded by crybabies for taking about it. Just general Internet culture these days
@@raxusquin nope, it's making deals with the algo.. as a trend; then later on changing the title or thumbnail, or both to something that would have made sense originally
@@raxusquin Yeah but this "I didn't want to do a video on so and so" and then proceeding to do a video like they ow us something is...weird. Hypocritical maybe?
I do wish people felt comfortable saying things that are going to be controversial without feeling the need to pre-emptively apologize and damage control with the “I didn’t wanna talk about this” line. Besides, the only people that are going to be upset about this video are the fake problem drummers themselves, archspire fans, etc., so who actually cares. Mike Caputo, Dan Presland; a lot of the drummers in the scene have already outwardly criticized the rampant editing and faking in modern metal drumming, it’s not like Glenn’s the first to say something, he’s taking an already established side
@@DerSilvano that's a delusional take
I don’t think he missed the point completely. Maybe a hair but I think he’s really just saying that this genre is all about showing off speed rather than a lot of old school metal that is really passionate in other aspects like lyrics and “feel”. And points out the editted clips too. He explained himself pretty well at the beginning and end of the video.
$10,000 drumsets, mic'd up and then "replaced". Makes me laugh.
Get a $300 Alesis nitro then, jeez
Probably wear out the nitro in a week
That is such a pet peeve of mine.. Metal musicians are so elitist they need all the expensive mics they can read about on gearslutz, only to sample replace them... and yet it still sounds like shit!
In the 80s i ready people used drum synths/samplers and recorded live cymbals. That stuff sounds fantastic in my opinion.
But honestly just mic a drumkit up with some mics and go to town and watch some youtube videos on mixing, its really not that difficult to get a decent/passable result.
But nobody will watch your video or attend your live concert if you use e drums, no?
After seeing your comment about alesis nitro, the price is not 300ish, but higher wtf. Sure youve got nice taste dude
@@MarkRigler no Alan Cassidy has had his Roland going strong for a while.. its hard as hell to wear a pad or mesh head out
I agree that the dick-measuring contest to the “who can be the fastest” has never made sense to me. But saying this kind of playing carries no meaning/no message and isn’t musical, is the other end of a bad discussion.
There are some amazing bands whom have drummers play these kind of styles who are ab-so-lute-ly musical.
Fleshgod apocalypse writes classic baroque pieces layered with complete orchestras combined with technical death metal. When there are more than 300 layers of instruments going it makes sense to see the drums more as a layer in the overal composition.
Above all, I’d rather have a musician who had to train and work to achieve a certain “style”, even is that being the human equivalent of a drum machine, than to have someone with no talent being edited/cleaned/auto-tuned to fuck.
Having tons of layers over white noise doesn't make the noise musical. This drumming conveys nothing. There's no rhythm, which is the fundamental point of drums.
@@johnterpack3940 you’re absolutely right, dedicating countless of years practicing and honing your craft is absolutely the same equivalent as just never having any singing skills and auto-tuning the hell out your “performance”.
You can absolutely say “I am not a fan of that kind of playing”, totally valid. But saying something isn’t musical just because you don’t like it is the equivalent of an old man yelling at clouds.
@@deaddrums Don't put words in my mouth. I never once said it didn't take skill.
I didn't say it isn't musical because I don't like it. I don't like it because it isn't musical. There's a huge difference between the two. You lie as bad as a politician, completely misrepresent what people say.
@@johnterpack3940 oh god you accuse someone of using bad arguments while saying one of the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard… « I don’t like it because it’s not musical »…
Like really? You get to choose what musicality is? And before you say « no dynamics » ok then harpsichord isn’t musical?… and before your say « always the same shit » yeah the 4/4 rock groove isn’t musical either then… oh and then you’re gonna say « no groove!! » yeah because opera music has no groove it’s not music?…
At least be honest, you don’t like it, that’s all…
@lifeezane3526 There's a thousand things I don't like that I accept as music. This stuff is just guys pretending to be edgy. Just because you like something doesn't mean it's good.
Finally. That's what I was talking about triggers the whole time. You cannot not to use triggers at this point, because playing 180bpm+ is weak. It sounds weak, you have to trigger it.
but on the other hand you missed the point. The thing is, there are a lot of cheaters, for example, adding/removing sounds, speed up the video etc.
Lmao at the first 5 seconds of the video. Glenn summed up the current state of metal.
This kind of ultra-technical drumming is as boring to me as ultra-technical guitar playing. Ooooh wowee woah woah wee woah, you can play really fast, admittedly a lot faster than I can. Now play me something that actually has some groove to it that non-musicians and non-nerds will actually want to listen to
Now I am not discouraged anymore as a jazz/prog rock drummer who didn't have knowledge of the sampling at this level before. Still sick players of course in their own ways.
I’ve seen this band live twice with Spencer on drums, killer set, everyone killed it! Live it seemed like he had kick and snare triggers, but still an amazing job playing this. I agree, I want real hits on the record, but live I’m more ok with triggers as a utility
This video is absolutely perfect and I will be sharing it with anyone who wants to start producing good metal records again.
Bone Force Navigator 🤣🤣🤣
As an Archspire fan I laughed out loud at that one!
That shit had me too!
Even better that he gives it a different name every time he says it.
The first track that I did with a real drummer was an experience. Since I'm a guitarist and NOT a drummer, I let him do the drum writing and editing. Even though it took him half a year to record the drums (he did it for free so there's that), he did a far better job than I could have ever done with ML Drum Lab 2.
What I'm trying to say is: if you can, get your drums from a real drummer.
For those who are curious, the track I'm talking about is 'Berserk Metal' on my channel. Geeetings from Lotasticland aka Austria 🇦🇹
Dean Lamb, please put out a video of Oli singing a few bars of Bone Force Navigator.
As a live engineer for extreme metal, you might want to consider learning a little bit more about this sort of stuff. The kicks etc and sampled bullshit, they are not "replaced" as such. They are not replaced in the studio, they are triggered. They are playing it. It is the same as playing an e kit, you still have to play it. As far as John goes, its all natural with triggered kicks. Same goes for most on this video.
this was a hard watch considering you’ve been producing for how long and can’t identity live mic feeds?
Also if you have no idea who John Longstreth, educate yourself
"John Longstreth’s practice concentrates in antitrust and regulated industries, primarily in the transportation and energy sectors, including administrative and federal court litigation, counseling, and obtaining and challenging regulatory approvals." I consider myself educated!
Agree. I would never hire glen after watching this video
Real drummers don't need live mic feeds. Did Buddy Rich, Ringo, Louis Bellson, Roy Burns, etc.
@@MontyGraham-y3r to record their music for you to hear decades later? yes lmao
Yes you needed live feeds to record. But not all the garbage that's stolen from other artists, all samples. If you have talent, you don't need all that garbage if you are a true artist, and not a plagurist! If you need a machine to guide you, you have no real talent!
lmao comparing faking gravity blasts and triggers. being against triggers is so GEN X
So you consider triggers to be cheating? I mean.... how is that different from using gear to get the most out of a guitarists performance? I mean no its not an apples to apples comparison but you get my drift
It's not a good comparison, yes you're right.
I agree its not great comparison, but I also don't think triggers are cheating. I think this video is missing the point, and I get what you mean
He's tip-toeing around the actual issue. And doing a shitty job of it. The issue is putting something on video that you did not actually play live when the video was originally made. Audio being manipulated afterwards, and only in that artificially manipulated form is it then posted. THAT is the issue, that's it! Post-production bullshit intended to make the listener hear something that never actually occurred.
Stevie T has the Guifakists, Wings of Pegasus has the vocal frauds, its funny to see the drum scammers
It's a shame really because no one has ever said the guys can't play well, just pointing out the editing and faking some how makes us seem like we hate it or them personally, but it's just fake playing, how dare we want real talent on display.
07:37 FINALLY somebody says it like it is… thank you!
Can you talk about the H910? The 1st non glitch pitch correction tool made in... wait for it.....
1974.
Metal has become a sprint & marathon. No actual feel for music has been left. It’s just a machine with no personality.
@jackk8093 EXACTLY! Jack. They only have one way to play, and that's it. They play the same exact nauseating style with no substance whatsoever.
There are few drummers that can actually do this; and the only one I know is George Kollias. The live demo he did with Pearl, playing "4th Arra of Dagon" shows it quite well. It's still way quieter than the sampled drums, but louder than most of these guys can do IRL.
Chris Turner play louder. Because it's bigger bass drum and full leg motion technique. He is not plaing long double bass bars, but difficult patterns
I think the “UA-cam drama” about this is not about samples. Triggers have been a thing for decades now, the problem is that some of these drummer post “raw” videos that are heavily edited and add patterns that are not humanly possible (meaning it will require you have 3 hands to play it)
I always find that music like this doesn't sound heavy - it just doesn't hit. Its like ugly video game music or angry wallpaper. Its just all at one level.
Nintendo with double bass. No feeling, no soul.😮
Exactly. I mean I'm impressed by the technical side of it but there's no groove. How do you even headbang to this?
invite (one of) them to record in your studio and discuss this ? that would be fascinating
State of the art? MORE LIKE STATE OF THE FART, AM I RIGHT FELLAS?!?!?!?!?
extreme metal kick drum : BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
my ass : BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
No art here... just thievery! They can't really play that's why they need all the bells and whistles, to make them sound good.
Damn Longstreth is legit even without triggers. Dudes a fucking clock and power house on kicks
John Bonham would have sucked if his beats where quantized. Groove and playing behind the beat is rarely heard anymore.
I believe that is what happened when Led Zeppelin put out a series of remastered albums.
And all these dudes would be cryin' to mummy if they were in the same room as him hearing the volume of his kit!
@@orlock20 me when i spread disinformation on the internet:
@@simonrussell77 You sound like Abraham Simpson..
Speed is a texture, and only one texture. Whatever your instrument, always, and only, go for riff and rhythm, and apply dexterity and finesse. That is the key to great songs.
1:25 Archspire is a technical death metal band. Difficult, yes. Not impossible. Especially for drummers trained in jazz. Don’t forget,….these bands play live too and…they pull it off somehow.
I can’t argue with your conclusion, Glenn. Yet I am still impressed with the whole meta-metal genre (saving myself a lot of typing of subgenres with that made-up word I just made up now). Each genre and subgenre has its place in the music world, and I, as a classical music composer who dabbles into lots of genres, sometimes have to remind myself of this. I can’t even think that fast, augmented drums or not! Mad respect for the metalverse and for you and your channel, Glenn!
I can gladly said I never fake my guitar video on youtube.
Unlike some of my peers 😂
Edit: I have no qualms with trigger, it’s the miming of the prior recording that I have beef with. Especially if it’s just a simple cover.
It is discouraging for the young audience to see the plateau that they can’t reach only to then knew it’s fake.
i'm the same! if it sucks it's me doing all the sucking :D
mmmm.. pears..
if you have a beef with it you're delusional because that's how most demos and youtube playthroughs work.
@@getshwiftygaming447 on layman terms this is what I truly think
do I still find it’s weird in 2024 putting mimed demo in UA-cam?
>Yes
Mistakes are what made it humane. Obviously i would love to see a tight take.
Do I think it is unnecessary for demo
>No
If it is a play over video with tabs I considered it educational (tho the tab kinda not accurate in some video)
Does there exist people that did great demo without miming shit
>Yes
I’ve seen few of em in person. These people were monsters.
Do I still find guitarist that still mime simple playthrough as a hack
>Yes
Keyword I’m implying here is simple.
You know they pretend it’s just a simple track but obviously it’s edited to hell.
Some even claimed their take is non edited track when it’s obviously is not tho.
This is where I draw the line for mime take.
Don't be hating on Archspire lmao they're just the best in the business right now. You can be a good drummer without being a speed demon still. It's just that that specific genre _TECHNICAL_ death metal requires technical proficiency.
And no one cares about triggers. It's not playing at all and pretending you are that most of us are annoyed at. But good deep dive! Always appreciate a production opinion on these topics
Old man yells at cloud.
Seems Glenn is the one who needs to get over himself.
Yes
you had to comment to be heard how ironic..
How to be unoriginal In 2024? put a blast beat in your song
And notes
It's basically the Dubstep of Heavy Metal.
Nice monologue at the end, Glenn. Seriously, I’m with you. I imagine you’re going to get the same sh!t I do when I make the same criticisms on this style of drumming. I’m all for people having their own thing and doing and digging whatever, but this doesn’t style of drumming doesn’t appeal to me at all. I like drums that groove, that are clever and creative. Thanks for the video, man!
Yeah, you don't like it, you like groove, good for you. Some of us like the agressive and intense vibe that blast beats can bring. Who are you to say your taste is anyhow better than kids liking ridiculous blast beats?
@@tomaskacer8360 Jeez, dude, this is exactly the kind of reaction I'm talking about! I very clearly said I am all for people digging their own thing. I never said I was better than anyone for HAVING MY OWN TASTES. I simply stated that this does not appeal to ME, not that it's bad in any way. I don't give a shit what anyone else likes. I don't like country, rap/hip hop, pop, and death metal (mostly due to the vocals, I do appreciate some of the guitar work), but that doesn't mean I think my taste is better than anyone else's, other than how my taste relates to me. You do you, man. I just stated what I like & that I agree with what Glenn said in this video. Who are you to say anything about my tastes? Right? Good for you that you like blast beats. I don't. I won't tell you what to listen to, and maybe you shouldn't put words in my mouth.
@DoomedTraveler yeah, if you don't think extreme drumming can be as much creative and clever as whatever you Are into, than you are the Silly Billy here... Also, aren't you a bit old for this lame and silly passive agressive writing? Here's this sneaky fella for a good measure too. " :) "
@@tomaskacer8360 But isn't a 300 bmp bass beat that's sampled just like another 300 bmp bass beat that was sampled? The drummer might as well be R2D2 or a DJ.
@@tomaskacer8360 There's nothing creative or clever about it. It's just "go as fast as possible". Nobody can hear the difference between one song and the next. You can't even tell one band from the next. It's boring as hell. Like listening to static on the radio.
Triggered kicks are part of the tech death genre at this point. Archspire's own drummer Spencer (the one they're replacing) himself has openly stated that his kicks are triggered, but only his kicks alone, because it's part of the style.
I'm 58, an 80s product who played in bands growing up, and still play! Drums were what kept everyone in time and had a beat that would pound through your body when in the audience! Watching a drum solo was earth-quaking and the highlight of every concert! But now drums arent the heart of bands,, they area way for the drummer to compete with others on how much more like a machine gun can you sound! Speed may be a good talent, but it sounds like shit in music! That's my opinion anyway!
A-fkn-men.
Lol you don't know what you're talking about 👍 Drummers are definitely the heart of the band in extreme metal, alot of bands start the songs with drum/rhythm ideas n write guitars after drum parts. Anyone who calls themselves an "80s" prodigy garunteed sucks
@@MikeDavidson-u4w OK,, first of all dink,, my spell check on my darn phone typed prodigy, when I meant to type 'product ' of the 80s which makes more sense in the context, which i fixed.. you could use some spell check yourself,, "guaranteed" is how it's spelled! Second,, you basically said the same thing I did, LOL, (that was making fun of your usage of it,, men don't LOL)! I actually been there,, I was in a few local successful bands! I am taking it playing your computer keyboard is as far as you got,, hmmm?! oh wait,, lol
ok so to sum this up, if it sounds good, it's fake, if it sounds like shit, it's real 🤣
some of us actually spend some time tuning our drums Glenn! 😃
I really hope Greg gets the job. All his videos were beyond impressive and he has the shortest commute.
Btw, Kevin Paradis and John Longstreth are highly sought after session drummers. They also play in some of the most ridiculous bands around: Kevin is in Benighted and John is in both Origin and Hate Eternal.
I know this video is about drums but I am so proud that I am an accidental owner of the Gotoh HB guitar Glenn has on his wall (see my profile pic). Although mine is the "robin" blue and it lost a lot of it's colour but who cares. Plays and sounds awesome. Just need to practice more.
Aw, by accidental owner I expected to read you actually stole it or something. 😛
Part of it too is it seems a.competition instead of a passion.
That last message in the end: B R A V O ! ! ! ! Well said, sir!!!!!
Boomer rant
Really does absolutely nothing for me. Sounds as ridiculous as the old Roland drum machine we had that we used to wind up to full speed in rehearsals just for a laugh.
It may be clever, obviously some love it but to me a lot of it is just comedy gold.
People need to stop lying. Setting a "perfect standard" and it being unobtainable. Sets a bad example and frankly demeaning view on those trying to learn and better themselves and then see this and think they aren't good enough.