Tudors in Ireland | Not Just the Tudors
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- King Henry VII and his Tudor heirs knew very little about Ireland, over which they ruled in name at least. During the 118 years of Tudor rule, not one of its monarchs ever set foot in the Emerald Isle. Yet the history of the Tudor monarchy cannot fully be told without understanding its relations with Ireland.
In this episode of Not Just the Tudors, Professor Suzannah Lipscomb discovers more with Professor Christopher McGinn.
This episode was edited by Joseph Knight and produced by Rob Weinberg.
Excellent presentation. Will look up Prof McGinn's books on the Tudors in Ireland. Esp enjoyed discussion of Hatfield Compendium and Elizabeth's governance.
Fascinating conversation with intriguing insights.
My ancestor Turlough married the Argylls of Scotland's daughter, lady Agnes .
Thanks for the great video!
Kildare Rebellion had nothing to do with religion.
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The Earls of Kildare did a great job as Lord Deputy of Ireland (with 1 exception.)
They had an unusual system for taxes that worked well with getting everything they needed for Ireland.
Some paid taxes in crops or livestock, some paid taxes by paying, clothing & feeding Galloglass, etc.
Henry VIII had a good relationship with the Kildares, too, and would periodically summon the Earl to go to England.
Henry VIII got a bogus report that there was something wrong with how the Kildares were collecting taxes.
He summoned the Earl.
The Earl was sick, tried to postpone, the King thought it was suspicious, so he insisted, and the Earl traveled even though he was not well.
He left his 21 year old son, Silken Thomas, in charge while he was away.
Henry VIII & the Earl of Kildare had a good meeting. The King had no problem with how the Earl was getting everything paid so that Ireland continued to cost England nothing.
Unfortunately, Silken Thomas was sent a bogus message that when his father arrived in England, he was immediately killed by Henry VIII.
Silken Thomas reacted by declaring war on England.
He asked Catholic countries & even the Pope for help...
Troops never arrived to help because of bad weather conditions.
Silken Thomas was captured with his uncles. They were executed in England.
When news of Silken Thomas's war on England reached Henry VIII, he had the Earl of Kildare held in the Tower. He died there from his illness before everything was sorted.
Earl of Kildare was reinstated for the 11 Earl, and the line was later upgraded to Duke of Leinster.
Anne Boleyn's grandmother was a Butler.
The Butlers were very jealous that the Kildares were the Lord Deputies of Ireland, they had a disputed property line, and they had hated them for generations.
We are speculating that perhaps the bogus report, or both bogus reports, came from Anne Boleyn.
The Kildares continued a good relationship with England. They became protestant when necessary.
An Earl married a granddaughter of Charles II and was upgraded to Duke of Leinster. The Dukes have lived in exile in England since Irish Independence...
About the time of King Henry II., a branch of the O'Tooles of Leinster migrated to the West of Ireland, and settled in the island of Omey, in Iar Connaught, where their descendants still remain. In 1586, Tiboid (Theobald)O’Toole, is, in the Annals of the Four Masters, described as "a supporter of the poor, and keeper of a house of hospitality" , a Biatach in the Irish; and was hanged by a party of English soldiers under Sir Richard Bingham, who were sent on a predatory excursion to Iar-Connaught. "
I don't like applying modern race stuff to early colonialism in Ireland or the America's to say one experience was worse than the other.. The argument that the Irish could become English is arguably worse than having a different skin color, because one would lose their culture and identity entirely which was considered inferior, is it worse to have your identity wiped out completely or to be considered inferior but retain it?
The Normans blended in with the native population as they did in every country that they conquered. Kildares were investigated for a taxation system that was more Irish than English.
It was Elizabeth I, a Butler great granddaughter, that had so much hatred for Ireland that she pursued her scorched earth policy to kill women, children, livestock, crops, and, yes, men.