500th Anniversary of the Protestant Reformation
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- The year 2017 marks 500 years since a stubborn monk and towering thinker, Martin Luther, published his 95 theses or complaints against the Catholic Church and launched the Protestant Reformation, a momentous religious revolution whose consequences we still live with today. The Reformation divided the Western church and transformed millions of people’s understanding of their relationship with God. Correspondent Kim Lawton traveled to Germany to report on how the anniversary is being commemorated there and how its legacy is understood by scholars and theologians, both Catholic and Protestant.
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I'm Catholic but I always admired this man. Without him we would be centuries behind technologically and still likely in a medieval mindset. But it wasn't until I got to college where everything changed.
After almost my whole life in Catholic school, where no ill will was wished on Luther and we learned we 'cleaned up our act' in the Counter-Reformation, I then learned that we did NOT, we only got rid of the obvious corruption and institutionalized the rest. Apparently indulgences are still offered by the Church today, that's what my devout Catholic associates said!
I joined a Catholic youth center at my college and the people there act as if the politics of the 1500s are still going on today, calling Luther a heretic still! I always defended Luther and pointed out the obvious- that without him we'd still be medieval, yet they didn't care. Some even argued that Galileo shouldn't have gone against the Church either...
I realize now that they WANT to stay medieval in their mindset, these associates of mine, for the medieval period was the heyday of the Church.
But it wasn't until I watched a documentary on Luther that my eyes truly opened up. What he taught is what I believed the Church taught today, post-Counter-Reformation, but I may be wrong in that, given the pious medieval positions of my Catholic associates. Luther took on everything that was and still IS wrong with the Church. 'Vocations' in the Church today are taken lightly by devout Catholics, as if they are a career path they can choose and take lightly. If they 'discern' enough (obsessively drive the sentiment into their head until they actually believe God is telling them to be a priest/nun), they will do it. And fail. And try again.
I have a friend who works a shitty job and has no plans in life just so that he can keep chasing monasteries and try repeatedly to be a monk/priest! I know girls that act as if they're nuns already, and they're not! Some areas of the country with major Catholic populations have these tried-and-true religious (brainwashing) camps where the sentiment of religious vocations is beaten into young peoples' heads so much that they may just throw their life away chasing it.
And that's what got me. I, too, thought I heard that vocational calling, but wouldn't let myself fall for it. I went to one of those camps, and the objective in them is to expose you to Jesus (good) and push vocations on top of it (not good). A priest even admitted that people leave the camps and events thinking they have a vocation, but eventually learn otherwise! If you over-think things, you may just think that that beautiful offering of God's grace is a vocational calling, and that means sacrificing a sex life and otherwise-ordinary life for an extraordinary one. That is VERY hard on a person, NOT a decision to take lightly. It was hard on me.
Then I saw the Luther documentary, and realized that this man went through the exact things that I have and other Catholics have. Then, he had the courage to take faith into his own hands and pave the way to a freer world, where a person can follow their own conscience and take the priesthood into their own hands, WITHOUT the Church's rigid guidelines. Interpretations based on a passage of the Bible taken out of context, Jesus' telling Peter that he is the rock upon which His Church is built.
Luther is a hero, not just because of what he did but because he forced the original Church to fix aspects of itself too in the Counter-Reformation. If I don't become a Lutheran I'm certainly going to continue thinking for myself. I know God, and I know His Grace, I always have. I don't need a vocation, and if I could follow Luther's footsteps and liberate a wannabe nun to go on the adventure with me, I'd just love that!
**btw, I'm not basing those with legitimate religious vocations. I've met incredible priests and nuns that have helped me so much along my faith journey. I'm just saying that the brainwashing and obsession with vocations of today is the indulgence-selling of 1517.
@awakeningspirit20 I know your comment is already a year old, but as a fellow-Catholic (by the skin of my teeth), I have to add my voice to yours. If only we'd paid more attention to Luther when he was around, we just might not be in the deep shit we are today.
There is a sense in which all good Catholics are "protestants" now, and even the Vatican issued a stamp commemorating the 500th anniversary of Luther nailing his articles to the door.
You have some harsh things to say about the Counter-Reformation, but I don't think you go far enough. It was basically a "containment exercise", and since then we have been sitting on a bomb which has now blown up under our arses.
If our hierarchy has not yet got the message, I hope they will soon realize that they can no longer hide behind their institutional structures and the bemusement of the "simple faithful" as they did, or tried to do, in Luther's time.
Shall I remind you of the words of Pope Pius X, so beloved of our "traditonalists"? "The one duty of the laity is to allow themselves to be led and, like a docile flock, to follow their pastors." Sorry, Padre Sarto, even sheep learn through experience, and we won't be going down that road again.
@@petretepner8027 Protestantism is the root of capitalism and of the life of the jungle that we live today and that we live where capitalism arrives . the modern Catholic Church is polluted by strong Protestant elements, W Monsignor Lefebvre
@@hovogliadileggere yes
@@hovogliadileggere no....
TRUE PROTESTANTISM NEVER DIES... BUT ALWAYS GETS STRONGER AND STRONGER !!!
The Reformation is Satans Greatest Victory. Go look that up
This woman does not represent Lutherans, not ortnox Lutherans anyway. She needs to renpent and step down as a Pastor. Peace
Reformed Christian as a Calvinist I give a hearty amen!
The Reformation had a time. In that time, the reformers gave us a great blessing in that it broke the bondage of the church of Rome however it has lost its relevance in that it also broke the bond of the Holy Spirit.
Closing the stable door after the the horse has bolted. Luther would not recognize Christianity today. Thank you Protestantism.
Hallelujah
No unity with Rome
Windsor Blue it's doesn't matter....
The protest is not over
How the Roman Church can clear herself from the charge of idolatry we cannot see. True, she professes to worship God through these images; so did the Israelites when they bowed before the golden calf. But the Lord's wrath was kindled against them, and many were slain. God pronounced them impious idolaters, and the same record is made today in the books of heaven against those who adore images of saints and so-called holy men. {RH, June 1, 1886 par. 12}
And this is the religion which Protestants are beginning to look upon with so much favor, and which will eventually be united with Protestantism. This union will not, however, be effected by a change in Catholicism; for Rome never changes. She claims infallibility. It is Protestantism that will change. The adoption of liberal ideas on its part will bring it where it can clasp the hand of Catholicism. "The Bible, the Bible, is the foundation of our faith," was the cry of Protestants in Luther's time, while the Catholics cried, "The Fathers, custom, tradition." Now many Protestants find it difficult to prove their doctrines from the Bible, and yet they have not the moral courage to accept the truth which involves a cross; therefore they are fast coming to the ground of Catholics, and, using the best arguments they have to evade the truth, cite the testimony of the Fathers, and the customs and precepts of men. Yes, the Protestants of the nineteenth century are fast approaching the Catholics in their infidelity concerning the Scriptures. But there is just as wide a gulf today between Rome and the Protestantism of Luther, Cranmer, Ridley, Hooper, and the noble army of martyrs, as there was when these men made the protest which gave them the name of Protestants. {RH, June 1, 1886 par. 13}
Christ was a protestant. He protested against the formal worship of the Jewish nation, who rejected the counsel of God against themselves. He told them that they taught for doctrines the commandments of men, and that they were pretenders and hypocrites. Like whited sepulchers they were beautiful without, but within full of impurity and corruption. The Reformers date back to Christ and the apostles. They came out and separated themselves from a religion of forms and ceremonies. Luther and his followers did not invent the reformed religion. They simply accepted it as presented by Christ and the apostles. The Bible is presented to us as a sufficient guide; but the pope and his workers remove it from the people as if it were a curse, because it exposes their pretensions and rebukes their idolatry. {RH, June 1, 1886 par. 14}
The Catholic church has images, not idols. We believe in ONE God, not many, which is what idolaters do. Our creed states:
"We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and
unseen.
We believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father; God from
God, Light from Light, true God from true God; begotten not made, one in being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven. By the
power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. For our sake He was
crucified under Pontius Pilate. He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day He rose again, in
fulfillment of the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He
will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
We believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the
forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."
Paintings and statues remind us of our beloved saints and of the Lord. You will find several biblical passages where God himself orders the making of images, so argue with God if you hate his orders. Information abounds online if you really want to learn the truth about images as mentioned in the bible. Find several verses regarding images, don't cling to one that you may be misinterpreting.
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Luther was Taliban of his day
This is an utter waste of time. I can only assume that Lutheran pastors did not participate in this because either they refused to be associated with this watered-down drivel that completely ignores the theology of Luther, or Lutherans did not participate because the creator of this video refused to include Lutherans since actual Lutheran theology does not adhere to the video creator's moral therapeutic deist agenda or the false teaching that all religions and all teachings are valid. How sad that the only Lutheran (someone who could have given insight and credibility to this video) lasted approximately 10 seconds and was immediately followed by the "dark side of Luther" that even Lutherans reject as going too far. Meanwhile the video creators chose to focus on people in direct conflict with Luther and his theology. A brief perusing of Wikipedia is more informative. This is shameful.
Jonathan Christensen
My brother, that is the very nature of Protestantism.
Division.
You believe in Sola Scriptura, which means your traditions cannot last when evil men choose to interpret. Because your tradition is not dogmatic.
Swayed with every wind of doctrine. I mean this sincerely.
500 years, that’s cute!!
Let me know when you reach 2000 years! Amen
Catholicism didn't really come about until the early Middle Ages and hordes of only superficially converted pagans came into the church, bringing their pagan practices with them, like bowing to statues and praying to various people.
Catholicism isn't a Christian church at all.
And yet, your messiah was not only part of it, but eventually rebelled against it.
George Pierson :
Every true Christian rebels against Catholicism because of its idolatry and lies.
Name one thing that the Church teaches that is a lie and I will worship your messiah, Martin Luther.
David Fernandez
The reformation changed the Catholic Church just as much as it did the Protestant church
Excellent brief summary of the Wittenberg origin of the Reformation.
Ted Peters the reformation only spread through greedy German princes who wanted more power that the pope said no to the reformation is political not religious even though it originally was intend to be faithful
A woman "pastor" talking about the Reformation....🤬😰🤢 I'm sure Luther would have some choice words for her.😂😂😎😎✝️✝️🇩🇪🇩🇪
Churches reform.
exactly !
she's full of fakery
Luther taught that we are justified by "faith alone," faith without works. This of course contradicts the apostle James. Citing Abraham's example, James wrote: "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (James 2:24).
Abraham's works was his obedience; by or through faith he made the critical choice: to obey:
"By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went" (Hebrews 11:8).
Abraham received the blessings because he obeyed, not because he had faith. The Lord explained this to Abraham's son Isaac:
"Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws" (Genesis 26:5).
Would Abraham have received the blessings by having faith in the promises but staying home? Of course not! That would have been dead faith, faith without works, faith without obedience. Abraham's "works" was his obedience.
James wrote about Abraham:
"Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only" (James 2:22-24).
Did Abraham receive the blessings, justification and imputed righteousness by "faith alone," by just thinking God's promises were true? No! He was a _believer._ In the true and complete sense of the word _believe_ he obeyed, he acted on his faith. His obedience made his faith alive and "perfect" or complete.
Please realize this: those three verses from James show that _true believing is more than "faith alone"!_
Do we receive saving grace by "faith alone," simply thinking/trusting this or that is true? No! Jesus is "the author of eternal salvation unto all them that _obey_ Him" (Hebrews 5:9).
And who is it that receives the holy spirit: is it those who have "faith alone"? No! "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that _obey_ him" (Peter, in Acts 5:32).
Those who choose to obey are given the holy spirit to help and guide them in their obedience. So, how do we obey? God "now commands all men every where to repent" (Acts 7:30). We must _choose to come to God._ How do we come to that choice? _Through_ faith: "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for _he that cometh to God_ must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him" (Hebrews 11:6).
It is the _choice_ we make - _to come to God_ - that matters, not just having faith that God is real and rewards them that seek Him, etc.
Through the ransom Jesus made available on the cross, His life for ours, we can (by grace) be redeemed from the death penalty we have earned (Romans 6:23) for our past sins . . . IF we'll choose to turn from living apart from God, to turn from sin that earned us the death penalty in the first place. Without repentance, we remain unredeemed from the death penalty earned for past sins . . . and we will surely perish in death for those sins. That's why Jesus warned, saying "except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish" (Luke 13:5).
Those who preach "faith alone" are misrepresenting Jesus and deceiving many. After His resurrection Jesus appeared to His disciples. Notice what He told them to preach:
"Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that *_repentance and remission of sins_* should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem" (Luke 24:45-47).
Did Jesus tell them to preach "faith alone"?
Let's go to Ephesians 2:8-10 for more about "works":
"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
Note that the passage says "by grace are ye saved *_through_* faith." It does not say "by grace are ye saved just by having faith." As we saw in Hebrews 11:6, it is _through_ faith that we can choose to "come to God."
"Works" means different things according to the context. The "works" Paul referred to in Ephesians 2:9 was "good works" or good deeds as seen in verse 10. Neither these, nor "the works of the law" (circumcision, etc, from Paul's letters to the Romans and Galatians) can ever "earn" grace or justification. Abraham's "works" was yet another type of works: simple obedience through faith. Abraham's obedience made his faith alive and complete, making him a believer. For that, he was justified to God, righteousness was imputed to him and he received the promised blessings.
Those who abide in a relationship with Jesus (John 15:1-6) are becoming "his workmanship" (Ephesians 2:10): the relationship with Him "yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them that are exercised thereby" (Hebrews 12:11; Rev 3:19). This is sanctification, saving us from slavery to sin. As they become the "new man" Paul wrote about, they are learning to keep the commandments. And they produce good works because it is becoming their nature to do so. Those good works in no way earn justification, but they are evidence of faith made alive - and of the holy spirit received - through obedience.
Redemption (from the death penalty we've earned for sin, Romans 6:23) is available by grace IF we'll obey and come to God in repentance, choosing to turn from sin that earned us the death penalty in the first place. Jesus made that redemption available when he provided a ransom - His life for ours - on the cross (re: Matthew 20:28, Hosea 13:14).
Forgiven and redeemed, we stand justified. Jesus' righteousness is imputed or credited to us. If we actully _were_ righteous there would, of course, be no need to _impute_ righteousness to us. So, do we now coast along in sin, assuming Jesus' righteousness covers us, assuming Jesus did it all for us on the cross, assuming we're "saved," done deal? Oh no. Remember: we are becoming "his workmanship." We must choose to abide in Him and choose to continue in repentance as He leads us out of slavery to sin (John 15:6; 2 Peter 1:10, 11; Phil 2:12).
Jesus finished making a ransom available on the cross, but His work is not finished. Many years afer His resurrection He said to His churches, His people: "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent" (Revelation 3:19). An ongoing relationship with Him "yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them that are exercised thereby" (Hebrews 12:11).
We are expected to follow His example and overcome, just as He overcame:
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne" (Revelation 3:21).
"He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son" (Revelation 21:6).
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" (Revelation 2:7).
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death" (Revelation 2:7).
Jesus is at work right now, creating sons and daughters for the Father's eternal family. Are you in?
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It opened the door to carnage!
Woman pastor's?
The fathers of the church had pains keeping the church from heresy and schism, and now look.
When Catholicism starts to respect God and do his will, then it’s over.
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In 1883 Sister Maria Serafina Micheli (1849-1911) who will be beatified in Faicchio in the province of Benevento and diocese of Cerreto Sannita on 28 May 2011, founder of the Institute of the Sisters of the Angels, is located in Eisleben, in Saxony, hometown of Luther. On that day, the fourth centenary of the birth of the great heretic (10 November 1483) was celebrated, which split Europe and the Church in two, so the streets were crowded, the balconies flagged. Among the numerous authorities present, it is to be expected, at any moment, also the arrival of Emperor William I, who has lent to the solemn celebrations. The future blessed, while noticing the great turmoil, was not interested in knowing why this unusual animation, her only desire was to look for a church and pray for a visit to Jesus the Sacrament. After walking for some time, finally, he found one, but the doors were closed. He also knelt on the steps ...
... access, to make his prayers. Being of evening, it is not a shrewdness that it was not a Catholic church, but Protestant. As she prayed, the guardian angel appeared, who told her: "Get up, because this is a Protestant temple".
Then he added: "But I want you to see the place where Martin Luther is condemned and the punishment he suffers in punishment of his pride."
After these words he saw a horrible abyss of fire, in which he dramatically torments an incalculable number of souls. At the bottom of this chasm there was a man, Martin Luther, who distinguished himself from the others: he was surrounded by demons that forced him to look on his knees and everyone, armed with hammers, tried, but in vain, to stick him in the big head Nail.
The nun thought: if the people in celebration saw this dramatic scene, it certainly would not pay honors, memories, commemorations and celebrations for a character story.
Later, when the opportunity presented itself, she reminded her sisters to live in humility and concealment. He was convinced that Martin Luther was punished in Hell especially for the first capital sin, pride.
Pride caused him to fall into capital sin, the whole rebellion against the Roman Catholic Church led him. His conduct, his behavior towards the Church and his preaching were decisive for traveling and bringing so many superficial and reckless souls to all ruin.
alter bridge Please keep your grossly false Catholic beliefs to yourself. Popery, Marionism, the abject nonsense of transubstantiation etc is a gross insult to Christ.
U alright mate?
Protestantism is so divided and complexed!!!
THE PROTESTANT WHO WOULD PRAY THE HAIL MARY (A true story)
A little six-year-old Protestant boy had often heard his Catholic companions reciting the prayer "Hail Mary." He liked it so much that he copied it, memorized it and would recite it every day. "Look, Mommy, what a beautiful prayer," he said to his mother one day.
"Never again say it," answered the mother. "It is a superstitious prayer of Catholics who adore idols and think Mary a goddess. After all, she is a woman like any other. Come on, take this Bible and read it. It contains everything that we are bound to do and have to do." From that day on the little boy discontinued his daily "Hail Mary" and gave himself more time to reading the Bible instead.
One day, while reading the Gospel, he came across the passage about the Annunciation of the Angel to Our Lady. Full of joy, the little boy ran to his mother and said: "Mommy, I have found the 'Hail Mary' in the Bible which says: 'Hail full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amongst women.' Why do you call it a superstitious prayer?"
On another occasion he found that beautiful Salutation of St. Elizabeth to the Virgin Mary and the wonderful canticle MAGNIFICAT in which Mary foretold that "the generations would call her blessed."
He said no more about it to his mother but started to recite the "Hail Mary" every day as before. He felt pleasure in addressing those charming words to the Mother of Jesus, our Savior.
When he was fourteen, he one day heard a discussion on Our Lady among the members of his family. Every one said that Mary was a common woman like any other woman. The boy, after listening to their erroneous reasoning could not bear it any longer, and full of indignation, he interrupted them, saying:
"Mary is not like any other children of Adam, stained with sin. No! The Angel called her FULL OF GRACE AND BLESSED AMONGST WOMEN. Mary is the Mother of Jesus Christ and consequently Mother of God. There is no higher dignity to which a creature can be raised. The Gospel says that the generations will proclaim her blessed and you are trying to despise her and look down on her. Your spirit is not the spirit of the Gospel or of the Bible which you proclaim to be the foundation of the Christian religion."
So deep was the impression which the boy's talk had made that his mother many times cried out sorrowfully: "Oh my God! I fear that this son of mine will one day join the Catholic religion, the religion of Popes!" And indeed, not very long afterwards, having made a serious study of both Protestantism and Catholicism, the boy found the latter to be the only true religion and embraced it and became one of its most ardent apostles.
Some time after his conversion, he met his married sister who rebuked him and said indignantly: "You little know how much I love my children. Should any one of them desire to become a Catholic, I would sooner pierce his heart with a dagger than allow him to embrace the religion of the Popes!"
Her anger and temper were as furious as those of St. Paul before his conversion. However, she would change her ways, just as St. Paul did on his way to Damascus. It so happened that one of her sons fell dangerously ill and the doctors gave up hope of recovery. Her brother then approached her and spoke to her affectionately, saying:
"My dear sister, you naturally wish to have your child cured. Very well, then, do what I ask you to do. Follow me, let us pray one 'Hail Mary' and promise God that, if your son recovers his health, you would seriously study the Catholic doctrine, and should you come to the conclusion that Catholicism is the only true religion, you would embrace it no matter what the sacrifices may be."
His sister was somewhat reluctant at the beginning, but as she wished for her son's recovery, she accepted her brother's proposal and recited the "Hail Mary" together with him. The next day her son was completely cured. The mother fulfilled her promise and she studied the Catholic doctrine. After long preparation she received Baptism together with her whole family, thanking her brother for being an apostle to her.
The story was related during a sermon given by the Rev. Fr. Tuckwell. "Brethren," he went on and said, "the boy who became a Catholic and converted his sister to Catholicism dedicated his whole life to the service of God. He is the priest who is speaking to you now! What I am I owe to Our Lady. You, too, my dear brethren, be entirely dedicated also to Our Lady and never let a day pass without saying the beautiful prayer, 'Hail Mary', and your Rosary. Ask her to enlighten the minds of Protestants who are separated from the true Church of Christ founded on the Rock (Peter) and 'against whom the gates of hell shall never prevail.'"
“Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.”
"Continue to pray the Rosary every day."
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seng cheenh No, thank you. There is one mediator between God and man: Jesus Christ, the great High Priest who died once for our sins. To say there is another "mediatrix" is to assign a divine title to another and is thus blasphemous. Mary was blessed among women, not above women. An amazing woman of the faith she was, humble and devoted; and so was Joseph who also trusted the word delivered to him. So that they stayed together and had more children. Peace.
seng cheenh That's cute, dropping a link to a book to silence the argument.
Quote from book description: "The Protestant's Dilemma is the perfect book for non-Catholics trying to work through their own nagging doubts"
See, what you fail to notice, neither do I have any doubts about who I believe Christ to be and how as a believer I am justified in Him through faith and grace alone, nor do I believe there to be a dilemma. There is the universal Church of Christ and I am united with its members via a common faith in Christ as Lord, which doesn't require the visible pomp and show of an institution; especially not an institution that still incorporates a practical priesthood that re-sacrifices Christ on the altar in the communion. Peace.
Winchester1979 well said bro
Luke 1 v 47 "And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour". Mary was also a sinner who needed a Saviour, she was not immaculately conceived, nor a perpetual virgin as invented by the Roman Catholic Church. Thank God for the REFORMATION it delivered us from 1000 years of Darkness , brought on by Roman Catholicism.
500 years OF HERESY!
Bogus, Luther took the credit for what was already in progress. More likely, John Wycliffe started the RC take-down almost 200 years earlier.
False. There was no large-scale Reformation movement begun by John Wycliffe.
+yeoberry I didn't say that.. Since RC perversions were so politically entwined, even pre-renissance scholars could only murmur about heresies within closely knit circles at the risk of hanging. It was not Luther that first studied the earlier Greek manuscripts (starting debate) as the "Luther" movie attempted to portray..
Cliff Matthews :
The Greek New Testament wasn’t published until 1516. Wycliffe only had the Latin. Only the rare scholars who had access to the Greek manuscripts and could read Greek could have studied it.
Yes, you're right on my ass-umptions (presumptuously gleaned from Oxford associations). Still, he's on record as a clarion voice against the hideous brood at Avignon.
Luther did not join the Augustinians, for having diverted his father's plans, but for killing a man in the faculty of philosophy during a dispute. the order guaranteed him immunity for a provision of the Church of the time on the Augustinians, and he entered there to save himself from the death penalty. Luther ended his life with suicide (sic), after one of his usual evenings of excessive eating and drinking
Happy to be Catholic
Luther was too. Only wanted to reform it and not divide it. The Church at the time should have concentrated on being a church, a spiritual body. Instead it was trying to be a transnational supra-state and a transnational money making corporation. Churchmen held civil offices as well as religious ones. The Council of Trent addressed these same issues many years later. Reformed practices and not theology.
I'm so glad my family stayed Catholic.
Your church is corrupt. Now would be a great time to reform.
your 30k+ protestor denominations are objectively wrong scripturaly dude, get your facts right. Jesus said for Peter to be the Church leader not Mr. Smith in Mormonism or anyone else.
+easton guy:
Your Catholic doctrine is objectively wrong scripturally. Peter may have been the first church leader but there is no office of the papacy created in Matthew 16. There is not even a hint of the idea that there is a "chair of St. Peter" that is passed down to other "popes". Peter wasn't even the church leader for all his life. He wasn't the leader by Acts 15. In Galatians, Paul rebukes him for compromising the gospel. There is no "apostolic succession" and no office of the papacy or priesthood.
Well, Christ did say that in Matt 23:2, that the Pharisees "Sit on Moses' seat, so you must do as they tell you." There is precedent, then, for a "Cathedra," or a "chair" of authority, because it was known in the Old Testament. Moreover, St. Peter was THE leader of the early Church (the evidence for this is overwhelming -- I can give it to you if you wish). In Acts 15, he was the leader. It was his decision which settled the matter (James only agrees with it). Galatians only proves our point, because how does St. Paul refer to Peter? Does he call him, "Simon Bar Jonah," or his given name at birth? No.....he calls him by the name that Christ gave him (the only Apostle to be renamed by Jesus): the name "Cephas," or "Rock." St. Paul also doesn't question St. Peter's authority. On the contrary, he questions his hypocritical behavior, something all Christians are encouraged to do with the Pope. St. Catherine of Sienna did :) May the Lord Bless You.
Well, you'd have a problem there, Paul. John 15 speaks symbolically (metaphorically), and then literally. In fact, many of the Gospels have Jesus doing this: "This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples. As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love." Since the first statement is metaphorical, is the second? In John 6, when Jesus says, "Your ancestors ate manna in the desert, and they died, but eat of my flesh and you will never die," do both statements need to be taken metaphorically?
Protestantism is heretical.
So your mommy and so are Catholics it's a little thing called Orthodox Church the Catholics spilt from