10/5 7:00pm New Tofino from PW is all season; has 70 cubic feet of rear cargo storage; compressor refrigerator; induction cooktop; remote lighting controls 10/5 7:00pm Pleasure-way confirms on their site that the base price of the Tofino is $69,550 USD 10/5 4:30pm Update from Mark Steffen: "An exec from Pleasure Way told me today that the new Pop Top van will list in the mid 70’s and have an introductory price of $69,995." 10/5 3:00pm Pleasure-way just updated their site: Check out the Tofino! pleasureway.com/tofino/ Thanks to Stephen Stringer for the tip!
I like that the Watt system has the potential to get rid of solar panels. Roadtrek vans already have essentially no clutter on the exterior side panels. If one removes the awning, orders the under mount ProAir system that eliminates the roof top air conditioner, and uses the Watt system to replace solar panels, the result is an RV that is completely stealth. An absolutely quiet camper van masquerading as a passenger van.
yep though I think the watt would work in conjunction with solar best. that way you're not eating through propane if the sun can provide free recharging of your batteries.
Can't wait to hear more about the WATT unit. Saw it featured on another UA-cam channel at an rv show and was totally intrigued! I like your new video formats. Nice to see this news format and the others with a bit of humor. Always knew there was more to that all tech engineer guy.. lol. Thanks for the info!
i'm happy to hear that you like the new News format Allentown Gal! thanks for letting me know. The humor in the KL video did not go over well with a lot of commenters unfortunately. I think I just need to tone it down a bit. the KL review was a radical departure from my normal delivery style!
Good review , the Watt fuel-cell has been available in the marine industry for a number of years now, it's nice to see the RV industry thinking about embracing it
Great video Neil - I am one who truly loves your video with you in your rv - just love the scenic view out your window - plus your great insight - all the best Neil
problem with the underhood is that we can't really have it on a sprinter chassis. well we can but we can't get the remote start option without the manufacturer likely voiding their MasterUpfitters status. this eliminates that problem on the sprinter chassis. not a problem as far as i'm aware on the promaster chassis.
Great job Neil..great information, well delivered in a tight package. I would raise the camera slightly so it is at least eye level, maybe a tad higher. You never want to look down on us lowly viewers my friend. Keep um coming Neil.
If you look closely at the photos online of the Fortino, in the rear it looks like it has an outdoor shower connector, however I don’t see anything on the specs sheet about it. If it does AND it has hot water that could sway some people that are going to use this in the outdoors. You could easily rig up a shower curtain around the back of the van. Most of these Westfalia style vans have outdoor showers I’d be surprised if PW overlooked this.
yes looks like an outside shower. I don't think there is a hot water heater. I don't see any access panel and it's not using the truma combi. it is using a compressor refrigerator tho! and induction cooktop and they're saying it is 4 season.
Ultramobility interesting. Maybe it will be an option? Otherwise the only purpose of the LP is the furnace. Surprised they are using an induction cooker and 12v fridge.....customers will like that though.
In addition to the water heater question, would you please also ask if the upper window screens can be zipped open and what are the dimensions of the hatch? My rough guess is it’ll be in the 2’ x 4’ range. Thanks for the updates!
Thanks! Just to be clear, I understand the blackout window covers can be zipped open & closed. I wanted to confirm that the screened layer could also be zipped open so the window is completely open to the outside for a clear view for photographic purposes.
As always, your videos are always enjoyable and informative Neil. We’ll be in a Class B one day and I owe you a steak dinner for all the insight we’ve got from you!
Ultramobility I love tri-tip as well. I saw the Tofino, love that they named it after the charming town on Vancouver Island. We’ve been there. It doesn’t have a functional bathroom though. We found a potential candidate for us. The Pleasure Way XLMB. That is not s true Class B but that thing is really awesome!
Thanks for the updates even if it was return to the more business model Neil. I know, I know you can't please everyone. I saw the comments from the fun Neil versions. I'll watch either way because you rock on the class B information. Thanks Neil.
that means a lot Spell Madam - a true fan. thank you. yes some of the comments from the last video were brutal. although funny enough the analytics data that came back from UA-cam today showed that there was no significant drop off in audience retention due to the humorous parts. in fact in at least one part the retention went up. data doesn't lie I suppose.
Ultramobility Thanks! You’re doing such a great job keeping us up on the latest and greatest...but if there is anything new and noteworthy, I’ll let you know!
One Journey I’m planning on taking some video and photos and will see about posting. I’m going on a weekday so hopefully the units won’t be crammed with looky-loos🕴
Well Done, thanks for the update, the WATT cell looks interesting, good concern on Quality of LPG.....not too sure how I feel about the PopTop, but there is a segment!!!
I think the RAM is a GREAT chassis. It has large front windows....and a front wheel drive. I feel it drives more smoothly than the Mercedes chassis or Ford's. Unfortunately it appears the Class B manufacturers are going away from the RAM Promaster to these other chassis. And the UA-cam presentation I've seen makes the WATT very interesting. I currently have a 2017 Roadtrek ZION. It will be interesting to hear what Roadtrek's plans are for the introduction of the WATT into their production schedule.
Lower cost vans will be great, for sure. Neat to see the Watt system, but it's pretty limited in its power output. 500W constant... so yeah, basically like a solar panel setup. About 1/3lb of LP per hour running at that. Not running your microwave or AC off of that system... plus having to get LP. I'd really rather see some good, quiet inverter generators used in entry/lower cost vans. I'm hoping to get into a Travato 59G in a few years... I'd go for the base model, but would then need to run the generator. I'm in the south, and I do not want to cook while I sleep.... but that Onan generator is crazy loud! Why hasn't the RV industry come up with something better? The Honda 3000i generator is stupid quiet at idle and not much louder under load. Convert that thing to an underslung generator unit on a van and have a much quieter and more efficient unit.
Hi Neil! When you say, _we're finally have an alternative to noisy generators,_ am I correct in assuming you're excluding aftermarket options in that statement? I'm still relatively new to the RV World and have been concerned about exactly this issue. Generators are terribly loud and obnoxious not just to the users but to the neighbors and fellow campers. And I've been hoping that I might be able to swap out a standard battery bank with a _lithium ion_ battery bank. And I had been reading about some companies that currently provide this as a viable option.
hi thomas yes you can go aftermarket to upgrade to lithium. the fuel cell is silent and can replace a generator for many use cases. not sure what other after market options are available for a normal generator replace unless you're talking about second alternators?
@@Ultramobility the biggest problem with lithium is the price and often dubious quality. Lithium is roughly $1000 for 100 amp hours. And lead acid is about 150 bucks for the same amp hours. But you save weight and size with lithium
@@Ultramobility i was wondering what you thought of 2018 chinook countryside mb4. Im considering buying one and i dont know anyone that would hive me an un bias opinion.
Can't wait to learn more on the pop top! It looks really cool. I wonder if the pop top trend will come back to the usa? If so that would be cool! As always, great video!
I know was considering the revel , but now I like it this as a more stealth option! Also, love it has an induction cooktop and looks like it has heating too (recon was missing that feature)!
The pricing would be very interesting. I wonder when they will introduce this new technology in Europe. There was no news about it, AFAIK, at the big Caravan & RV salon in Düsseldorf recently.
I don't think so. it's americans who want to run their rooftop a/c for long periods of time. my feeling is that this isn't so much of an issue in Europe.
Neil, I agree on the A/C, but I believe that running other electric gadgets such as a water cooker, electric heating and cooking systems will make more power in the van necessary. Also note that the restrictions on using diesel to drive your mean is putting on more and more restrictions in Europe and the first electric vans and RV's have already been introduced. So it may not be the A/C but a lot of other resources that will need more electricity in the RV or van. I would like to add that a current trend in Europe, and cofinanced by the EU, is to expand the Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology. Part of it is to expand the places where you can hook up your car, van or RV to take in hydrogen to fuel your system. So we are already investing in fuel cell technology, but not based on propane but on hydrogen. We'll see what the future brings.
hydrogen would be a great way to go with a fuel cell as you don't have to worry about propane contamination as I understand it. but as you say you need to infrastructure in place which is why here in the states propane is better as we don't have really any hydrogen infrastructure to speak of unfortunately.
I think you think of it as a generator replacement so battery capacity would be determined more by what you think you need and the fuel cell like how much solar you need to keep the batteries topped up. it could replace solar for sure but I think the intent is to augment it especially on cloudy days and at night. I made a mistake in the video and said it consumed .5lbs of propane an hour and I believe it's .5 gallons an hour.
Ya, the Watt is 500 watts when brand new. There is no performance data over time and the fuel cell needs to be replaced. I read that at 4000 hours your performance can drop as low as 70 percent. So how does 300 wats sound. Then there are the other fuel cell querks like long start up times and shutdown times. And turning them on and off frequently shortens the life
If WATT won't run A/C, and it replaces voltstart and underhood gen, does that mean it is not suitable to keep pets in the RV while dining, running into the store, etc. No automatic climate control?
It’s suitable. you need a large enough battery bank then you would use the watt to top off your battery bank before you start your air-conditioner and then possibly keep the watt running supplying 500 W of power to help supplement and refill your battery bank as the air-conditioners drawing power from it. That would help you extend out the amount of time that the air-conditioner can run off battery power.
If you can't run the AC off the fuel cell, and you don't have a generator on board, does that mean you can only run the AC when plugged into shore power?
nope. with a large enough battery bank you would simply swtich on the fuel cell before you need to run the AC to top it off and then use your ac off batteries. if the charge state falls below a certain level the fuel cell will switch on and contribute up to 500w back into your batteries. not enough to power the ac completely on its own but enough to greatly extend your battery usage to run the ac.
It appears that the Honda 3000watt generator/inverter is substantially quieter than the Cummins Onan, for example. Why do you suppose that Pleasure-Way uses the Cummins?
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Pleasureway sells a pup-tent for $80k no bathroom no shower I can get the same experience by just throwing a pup-tent in the car and head for the woods oh and don't forget the toilet paper A background running fuel cell sounds interesting need more info
yep we have to see about the watt system. hopefully they've worked out any potential problems with altitude and contaminated propane. I think they have a replaceable filter which would go a long way to dealing with contaminated fuel.
@@Ultramobility 45 amps at 12 volts is 540 watts That would be a reasonable number How they integrate the fuel cell is going to be interesting there has to be an on/off switch and I don't know what the 50 state rules are with open propane lines while cruising at 75 MPH going through tunnels over barges and will they want the owner to think of it as a battery or something that hides in the background doing something and gobbling up propane to the point folks can't be sure if they will make it through the night when it gets cold That's why a separate propane source that only feeds the fuel cell seems to make sense and incorporating it into solar is another thing it must address no need to burn 1/2 pound of propane on a sunny day with solar delivering 200 watts
yep good points. I think I recall them saying that in the roadtrek integration WATT is controlling everything including Solar. It will monitor all energy sources and intelligently determine when to turn on. one open question is can their fuel cell be throttled or is it all or nothing? so for instance is the solar cells are bringing in 90ah for the day can WATT throttle down so as to not have to be running at full?
Nice reporting Neil! Like these snippets :) A Tuber. ..she to me is the channel name, had been looking for a rig, she stumbled on your channel saw yours and now has one. She does a review likes dislikes etc.. Check it out!
Two comments: First I’d really like to see Pleasureway meld the Sprinters FL and TS into one model that has a front lounge like the current Fl and a bathroom and fridge like the new Lexor Second Comment- You said the new “Watt System “ can not be used for AC but merely acts like a large solar array. If that’s the case then how is that a step toward getting rid of the generators or additional alternators? Thanks Neil and keep us posted
hey tom - well the fuel cell can contribute up to 500w of power into the batteries. that's quite a bit. if you have large enough battery capacity you could run off batteries and as they drain down the fuel cell will contribute up to 500w of power into the packs. that's not enough to run the AC directly but it covers a lot of the power requirements and greatly extends the length of time you can continue to run the AC off batteries. make sense? it would be like having a huge solar array grabbing 500w of power and pouring it into your batteries but doing it at night or any time it's needed.
10/5 7:00pm New Tofino from PW is all season; has 70 cubic feet of rear cargo storage; compressor refrigerator; induction cooktop; remote lighting controls
10/5 7:00pm Pleasure-way confirms on their site that the base price of the Tofino is $69,550 USD
10/5 4:30pm Update from Mark Steffen: "An exec from Pleasure Way told me today that the new Pop Top van will list in the mid 70’s and have an introductory price of $69,995."
10/5 3:00pm Pleasure-way just updated their site: Check out the Tofino! pleasureway.com/tofino/
Thanks to Stephen Stringer for the tip!
under 70K! Whodathunkit. Thanks for the updates. looking fwd to your initial impressions.
I like that the Watt system has the potential to get rid of solar panels. Roadtrek vans already have essentially no clutter on the exterior side panels. If one removes the awning, orders the under mount ProAir system that eliminates the roof top air conditioner, and uses the Watt system to replace solar panels, the result is an RV that is completely stealth. An absolutely quiet camper van masquerading as a passenger van.
yep though I think the watt would work in conjunction with solar best. that way you're not eating through propane if the sun can provide free recharging of your batteries.
Can't wait to hear more about the WATT unit. Saw it featured on another UA-cam channel at an rv show and was totally intrigued! I like your new video formats. Nice to see this news format and the others with a bit of humor. Always knew there was more to that all tech engineer guy.. lol. Thanks for the info!
i'm happy to hear that you like the new News format Allentown Gal! thanks for letting me know. The humor in the KL video did not go over well with a lot of commenters unfortunately. I think I just need to tone it down a bit. the KL review was a radical departure from my normal delivery style!
Good review , the Watt fuel-cell has been available in the marine industry for a number of years now, it's nice to see the RV industry thinking about embracing it
hopefully they have gotten the price down. we'll see.
Great video Neil - I am one who truly loves your video with you in your rv - just love the scenic view out your window - plus your great insight - all the best Neil
Finally, a silent generator. I need to get my hands on one of those.
I think a lot of people are looking forward to this!
I will trade my Onan propane generator in a heart beat but the under the hood generator sounds like a better option.
problem with the underhood is that we can't really have it on a sprinter chassis. well we can but we can't get the remote start option without the manufacturer likely voiding their MasterUpfitters status. this eliminates that problem on the sprinter chassis. not a problem as far as i'm aware on the promaster chassis.
Great job Neil..great information, well delivered in a tight package. I would raise the camera slightly so it is at least eye level, maybe a tad higher. You never want to look down on us lowly viewers my friend. Keep um coming Neil.
it has similarity to 5mars Imagine. Another great video Neil.
A fuel cell is a great idea. We will see how well it works in the real world. Could be a great thing!
indeed it could. it makes a lot of sense plus with the extra heat given off in the process they could heat water or the coach.
Very informative as usual, tks Neil and see you next time.
Claude from Quebec, thank you for watching!
If you look closely at the photos online of the Fortino, in the rear it looks like it has an outdoor shower connector, however I don’t see anything on the specs sheet about it. If it does AND it has hot water that could sway some people that are going to use this in the outdoors. You could easily rig up a shower curtain around the back of the van. Most of these Westfalia style vans have outdoor showers I’d be surprised if PW overlooked this.
yes looks like an outside shower. I don't think there is a hot water heater. I don't see any access panel and it's not using the truma combi. it is using a compressor refrigerator tho! and induction cooktop and they're saying it is 4 season.
Ultramobility interesting. Maybe it will be an option? Otherwise the only purpose of the LP is the furnace. Surprised they are using an induction cooker and 12v fridge.....customers will like that though.
yes i'm surprised as well and wlll need to get answers from dean on that front since he has been adamant that buyers don't need those things.
In addition to the water heater question, would you please also ask if the upper window screens can be zipped open and what are the dimensions of the hatch? My rough guess is it’ll be in the 2’ x 4’ range. Thanks for the updates!
the upper windows can be zippered open and closed. i'll have to find out the dimensions of the opening.
Thanks! Just to be clear, I understand the blackout window covers can be zipped open & closed. I wanted to confirm that the screened layer could also be zipped open so the window is completely open to the outside for a clear view for photographic purposes.
oh I see. I would need to investigate that.
I am looking forward to more information on the Watts fuel cell . Thanks Neil .
you got it Michael!
As always, your videos are always enjoyable and informative Neil. We’ll be in a Class B one day and I owe you a steak dinner for all the insight we’ve got from you!
many thanks david! I love tri-tip!
Ultramobility I love tri-tip as well. I saw the Tofino, love that they named it after the charming town on Vancouver Island. We’ve been there. It doesn’t have a functional bathroom though. We found a potential candidate for us. The Pleasure Way XLMB. That is not s true Class B but that thing is really awesome!
Thanks for the updates even if it was return to the more business model Neil. I know, I know you can't please everyone. I saw the comments from the fun Neil versions. I'll watch either way because you rock on the class B information. Thanks Neil.
that means a lot Spell Madam - a true fan. thank you. yes some of the comments from the last video were brutal. although funny enough the analytics data that came back from UA-cam today showed that there was no significant drop off in audience retention due to the humorous parts. in fact in at least one part the retention went up. data doesn't lie I suppose.
Well guess we’re going to Pomona to check out the new goodies. Thanks for the news. 🌝
Neil - I always look forward to "watt" you have to say next! Keep up the good work! 🤗
Your comment has me amped up Kerri!
@@Ultramobility we like to have pun together...don't we?! 😋
Thanks for the rundown! I’m going to the Pomona show(1st time!)and now I’ll know what to check out first👍
also check out the new Hymer S built on the Mercedes chassis and please give me a shout if you find anything that's new and interesting!
Wonderful take photos and post or go LIVE ... So we can see👁👁
Ultramobility Thanks! You’re doing such a great job keeping us up on the latest and greatest...but if there is anything new and noteworthy, I’ll let you know!
One Journey I’m planning on taking some video and photos and will see about posting. I’m going on a weekday so hopefully the units won’t be crammed with looky-loos🕴
As always, good informations! Looking forward to hearing more.
Many thanks for saying that Laughter on Water.
Well Done, thanks for the update, the WATT cell looks interesting, good concern on Quality of LPG.....not too sure how I feel about the PopTop, but there is a segment!!!
thanks, paul. I believe WATT has a replaceable fuel filter which would help with the contamination.
Neil, liking the new segment.
i'm glad john! I love doing them. I hope to do more of them maybe even weekly.
I think the RAM is a GREAT chassis. It has large front windows....and a front wheel drive. I feel it drives more smoothly than the Mercedes chassis or Ford's. Unfortunately it appears the Class B manufacturers are going away from the RAM Promaster to these other chassis. And the UA-cam presentation I've seen makes the WATT very interesting. I currently have a 2017 Roadtrek ZION. It will be interesting to hear what Roadtrek's plans are for the introduction of the WATT into their production schedule.
yep I wish RT all the best with WATT. I think it could be a gamechanger for the industry.
Lower cost vans will be great, for sure. Neat to see the Watt system, but it's pretty limited in its power output. 500W constant... so yeah, basically like a solar panel setup. About 1/3lb of LP per hour running at that. Not running your microwave or AC off of that system... plus having to get LP.
I'd really rather see some good, quiet inverter generators used in entry/lower cost vans. I'm hoping to get into a Travato 59G in a few years... I'd go for the base model, but would then need to run the generator. I'm in the south, and I do not want to cook while I sleep.... but that Onan generator is crazy loud! Why hasn't the RV industry come up with something better? The Honda 3000i generator is stupid quiet at idle and not much louder under load. Convert that thing to an underslung generator unit on a van and have a much quieter and more efficient unit.
Remember, you need to regenerate the cells on some frequency. Will they just do a swap out, or allow you to flush the cells?
that's a great question. will add it to my list!
Hahaha You are on top of PW. I sent you a link on the "Tofino" before I saw this video. Outstanding!!. XD Start price US $69,000.00
i love the price too!
Hi Neil! When you say, _we're finally have an alternative to noisy generators,_ am I correct in assuming you're excluding aftermarket options in that statement? I'm still relatively new to the RV World and have been concerned about exactly this issue. Generators are terribly loud and obnoxious not just to the users but to the neighbors and fellow campers. And I've been hoping that I might be able to swap out a standard battery bank with a _lithium ion_ battery bank. And I had been reading about some companies that currently provide this as a viable option.
As a potential camp site neighbor I thank you for your courtesy. I hope that more camp grounds ban the use of generators.
hi thomas yes you can go aftermarket to upgrade to lithium. the fuel cell is silent and can replace a generator for many use cases. not sure what other after market options are available for a normal generator replace unless you're talking about second alternators?
@@Ultramobility the biggest problem with lithium is the price and often dubious quality. Lithium is roughly $1000 for 100 amp hours. And lead acid is about 150 bucks for the same amp hours.
But you save weight and size with lithium
Great job.....again!
thank you for saying that Manuel!
@@Ultramobility i was wondering what you thought of 2018 chinook countryside mb4. Im considering buying one and i dont know anyone that would hive me an un bias opinion.
Yea what I am waiting for love it thanks
me too! could be a game changer!
Exciting news!
yes indeed - on both fronts!
Can't wait to learn more on the pop top! It looks really cool. I wonder if the pop top trend will come back to the usa? If so that would be cool! As always, great video!
it's really cool huh? more pix now on PW's site!
I literally ran to the website lol The pictures look amazing! The only downside is no wet bath but other that love it!
I think you can probably just buy a cheap portable toilet and stow it under the sink.
DoctorWhoGeek - This is a 4 season RV with all internally routed water lines and an internal fresh water tank!
I know was considering the revel , but now I like it this as a more stealth option! Also, love it has an induction cooktop and looks like it has heating too (recon was missing that feature)!
The pricing would be very interesting. I wonder when they will introduce this new technology in Europe. There was no news about it, AFAIK, at the big Caravan & RV salon in Düsseldorf recently.
I don't think so. it's americans who want to run their rooftop a/c for long periods of time. my feeling is that this isn't so much of an issue in Europe.
Neil, I agree on the A/C, but I believe that running other electric gadgets such as a water cooker, electric heating and cooking systems will make more power in the van necessary. Also note that the restrictions on using diesel to drive your mean is putting on more and more restrictions in Europe and the first electric vans and RV's have already been introduced. So it may not be the A/C but a lot of other resources that will need more electricity in the RV or van.
I would like to add that a current trend in Europe, and cofinanced by the EU, is to expand the Hydrogen Fuel Cell technology. Part of it is to expand the places where you can hook up your car, van or RV to take in hydrogen to fuel your system. So we are already investing in fuel cell technology, but not based on propane but on hydrogen. We'll see what the future brings.
hydrogen would be a great way to go with a fuel cell as you don't have to worry about propane contamination as I understand it. but as you say you need to infrastructure in place which is why here in the states propane is better as we don't have really any hydrogen infrastructure to speak of unfortunately.
Thank you for the Pleasure Way news. Where can we go to see more?
you can check out their facebook page but they haven't updated it recently. i'll also report on my Community Tab as soon as I find anything.
TY Neil
The fuel cell is very interesting. Would it mean small batteries, and perhaps less solar? I hope PW is looking into it.
I think you think of it as a generator replacement so battery capacity would be determined more by what you think you need and the fuel cell like how much solar you need to keep the batteries topped up. it could replace solar for sure but I think the intent is to augment it especially on cloudy days and at night. I made a mistake in the video and said it consumed .5lbs of propane an hour and I believe it's .5 gallons an hour.
Ya, the Watt is 500 watts when brand new. There is no performance data over time and the fuel cell needs to be replaced. I read that at 4000 hours your performance can drop as low as 70 percent. So how does 300 wats sound.
Then there are the other fuel cell querks like long start up times and shutdown times. And turning them on and off frequently shortens the life
yep it will be interested to see how they address all these issues and more.
It's a year after this video has been posted. Does anyone know where to buy a Watt fuel cell? How much are they?
If WATT won't run A/C, and it replaces voltstart and underhood gen, does that mean it is not suitable to keep pets in the RV while dining, running into the store, etc. No automatic climate control?
It’s suitable. you need a large enough battery bank then you would use the watt to top off your battery bank before you start your air-conditioner and then possibly keep the watt running supplying 500 W of power to help supplement and refill your battery bank as the air-conditioners drawing power from it. That would help you extend out the amount of time that the air-conditioner can run off battery power.
@@Ultramobility Thank you :)
If you can't run the AC off the fuel cell, and you don't have a generator on board, does that mean you can only run the AC when plugged into shore power?
nope. with a large enough battery bank you would simply swtich on the fuel cell before you need to run the AC to top it off and then use your ac off batteries. if the charge state falls below a certain level the fuel cell will switch on and contribute up to 500w back into your batteries. not enough to power the ac completely on its own but enough to greatly extend your battery usage to run the ac.
Hi Kim, Here's more info on the fuel cell: ua-cam.com/video/9r7qQWhB-zY/v-deo.html
@@Ultramobility that is really cool!
@@gregmoore8098 thanks Greg. Good info.
Look like safari condo on a gm fram
It does look like the safari condo. I love the safari condo as well. wish they more of a presence here in the US.
Neil, just checked PW's site and the new van is shown...it's called the Tofino. Pic's and info included if you want to take a look.
Here is the link: pleasureway.com/tofino/
thank you Stephen for sharing!
It appears that the Honda 3000watt generator/inverter is substantially quieter than the Cummins Onan, for example. Why do you suppose that Pleasure-Way uses the Cummins?
Pleasureway sells a pup-tent for $80k
no bathroom
no shower
I can get the same experience by just throwing a pup-tent in the car
and head for the woods
oh and don't forget the toilet paper
A background running fuel cell sounds interesting
need more info
yep we have to see about the watt system. hopefully they've worked out any potential problems with altitude and contaminated propane. I think they have a replaceable filter which would go a long way to dealing with contaminated fuel.
yep they do that in Europe. just a standard propane tank in the back.
500 watts per hour is what they're saying.
@@Ultramobility
45 amps at 12 volts is 540 watts
That would be a reasonable number
How they integrate the fuel cell is going to be interesting
there has to be an on/off switch
and I don't know what the 50 state rules are with open propane lines
while cruising at 75 MPH
going through tunnels
over barges
and will they want the owner to think of it as a battery
or something that hides in the background doing something
and gobbling up propane to the point folks can't be sure
if they will make it through the night when it gets cold
That's why a separate propane source that only feeds the fuel cell seems to make sense
and incorporating it into solar is another thing it must address
no need to burn 1/2 pound of propane on a sunny day with solar delivering 200 watts
yep good points. I think I recall them saying that in the roadtrek integration WATT is controlling everything including Solar. It will monitor all energy sources and intelligently determine when to turn on. one open question is can their fuel cell be throttled or is it all or nothing? so for instance is the solar cells are bringing in 90ah for the day can WATT throttle down so as to not have to be running at full?
Nice reporting Neil! Like these snippets :)
A Tuber. ..she to me is the channel name, had been looking for a rig, she stumbled on your channel
saw yours and now has one. She does a review likes dislikes etc..
Check it out!
will do Vickie! thanks for sharing !
Two comments:
First I’d really like to see Pleasureway meld the Sprinters FL and TS into one model that has a front lounge like the current Fl and a bathroom and fridge like the new Lexor
Second Comment- You said the new “Watt System “ can not be used for AC but merely acts like a large solar array. If that’s the case then how is that a step toward getting rid of the generators or additional alternators?
Thanks Neil and keep us posted
hey tom - well the fuel cell can contribute up to 500w of power into the batteries. that's quite a bit. if you have large enough battery capacity you could run off batteries and as they drain down the fuel cell will contribute up to 500w of power into the packs. that's not enough to run the AC directly but it covers a lot of the power requirements and greatly extends the length of time you can continue to run the AC off batteries. make sense? it would be like having a huge solar array grabbing 500w of power and pouring it into your batteries but doing it at night or any time it's needed.
No toilet so why spend $70,000, when you can buy a pop up for around $7,000. And you can even get a pop up with air conditioning and a porta potty
just curious if you could provide a link to what you're talking about?
www.rvtrader.com/listing/2018-Coachmen-Viking-LS-1706-5001224863
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Oh its actually From she to me....)
WATT we know...
and WATT we don't...
You almost lost me at RAM
They lost me at "No crapper."