If you think about it, Claudia from Interview with the Vampire is very similar to Esther; they both can't grow up and murder people out of frustration.
I just liked first kill because u see Esther doing more adult things than before like driving for example u know Isabelle probably had so much fun this time around
FIrst Kill was a lot of fun, but it made sense to me that Esther isn't up to her full potential yet... to go back to the quote about kids growing up too fast, if Esther is a logical extend of that idea, kids mirror what they see their parents do. So for her to learn her maniac moves from the mother and son in First Kill, and then implying that she used them on the original family later... it makes narrative sense!
@@antiheroines-you-love it’s no mental work though? Your mental gymnastics of an assumption that her FIRST KILL as Esther would be as polished as it was in the first? THATS a ton of mental work for an argument that makes so little sense it hilarious. Lol I think you were either high when you wrote this essay or you don’t know a prequel comes first.
The actress who played Lina/Esther was so incredible. I watched it with all my friends on Halloween night when I was 14 and it really effected me because I definitely felt the way society and patriarchy had been eroding my childhood in order to sexualize me. Her ribbons remind me of "The Green Ribbon" story.
@@lamardays883meaningless platitudes delivered grandpa-style by an internet stranger minimizing the struggles of a person you’ve never met on a year old post. Quite cringe of you
The original Orphan should've kept the original script. Esther murdering another girl at the Orphanage and the Doctor telling more detail on how Leena became the way she is.
Don't forget: she actually killed Daniel in the original script and they just change that in the last minute. The infamous "alternate ending" where Esther survives was also the original one, to leave the doors opens for a sequel. The bad reception of the test audiciende was a major part of change some of this stuff.
@@quiver5756 Yes, the original script would've made Orphan a lot better. It's still an underrated film. The original script makes Esther more darker imo. I would love to see how adults would've reacted with a 9 year old talking about pleasing a man.
This movie is just sad altogether. I can’t even imagine being the real Esther and the fear she must’ve went through before her brother, Gunner killed her then having a mom who clearly appeared not care about her at all when it is your mother who is supposed to protect you and here Tricia was throwing her own dead daughter into a well like she was a piece of garbage then allowing her clearly distraught husband believe that their daughter was missing when Tricia and Gunner knew all along that that wasn’t the case. Truly sick and evil people and I was rotting for Esther/Leena the whole time to kill them both! Disgusting horrible people!
i remember liking the first movie but I didn't know if i'd end up watching the new one. I really found the whole topic intriguing - it's horrifying for the family having her around thinking she's a child, but it must be even more horrifying for Esther, considering her past and whole identity. This was another great video! I always love the topics you choose and how you approach them. Your style is very unique and approachable, yet smart and precise at the same time. xx
I think they should have named the prequel Esther since it's about her acting as Esther more than her becoming an orphan. it also works better since Esther has the same amount of letters as Orphan. It feels like if there were more of these movies, they would be stuck in the same trap that movies like Hunger Games or Twilight got in where every movie has to have the title of the original unnecessarily.
Like I kinda agree on all your criticisms of First Kill, but can't help but love the prime schlock we were given. I really wish the second half was longer and we got to see more of Leena and Tricia's uneasy truce. But I really loved the concept of an unhinged grifter killer trapped with even more insane people. Knowing it was a prequel gave room to Leena to be less meticulous, almost as if this was a trail run on how she was perfecting her skillset, but it also made me kinda yell at my screen about her being so sloppy sometimes. All in all, it worked well enough to be such fun.
Agreed. I think first kill should've been 2 hours just like the original instead of only being an hour and 40, it should've shown more of Esther up to her antics with the family and especially after the twist because as soon as that revelation occurs there's only like 30 minutes left of the film and what we do see is only about 30 minutes before it is over. This is all the more important because in the first film, nearly all of the screentime is Esther with the family, and it's 2 hours whereas with first kill we see Leenas escape from the Saarne Instituute and only then does she infiltrate the family so not only is there less time for her to mingle with the family due to the films length, but there's also another segment that is completely unrelated to the Albrights.
Ah hell nah, I think the one and only time I've watched this was back in around 2008 when it was still a recent release and it chilled me to the bone. Being a teenager then, I couldn't grasp the deeper message of it like I do now, but the director's point about it being a subtle analogy to little girls and teenage ones being forced to grow up too fast by our oversexualized culture. And imagine the first film was made over ten years ago, nowadays it's so much worse! This why I wish they kept the cut scene where Esther reads that article about sex in Cosmopolitan when they're in the supermarket, it would have really driven home the symbolism. I myself remember as a child seeing pornographic magazines displayed for us to see at the newstand, right where they also sold materials for children. The doctrine of female objectification was forced on us very early.. Anyway, thank you for such a fantastic analysis! Your channel is truly a gem!
The movie was not what I expected. I thought it was going to go into more details and be more gruesome. When I saw that you posted a video about this I got so excited. Because we always seem to share the same thoughts expect yours are more articulate. When she slapped Gunner it was so satisfying 😂 also great video as always 😊
wow, I've been obsessed with the Orphan since I'm twelve (13 years by now) and it's nice to see it still has fans I've always thought the prequel was a project that had never been greenlit, it's a bummer it's not very good, but I don't think I ever had many expectations about it when I heard the synopsis thank you for making this video, it was pretty good
A weird inconsistency that probably will only bother me is that I very clearly remember it being mentioned in the first film that the name of the previous family who died in the house fire was Sullivan, not Albright. It also says that she was also adopted into that family, and they had brought her to America in a possibly illegal under the table adoption that didn't have proper records of having happened and why they thought she was russian, not estonian.
One possibility is that Esther did indeed get adopted by a family called the Sullivans whose house burned down, but that would raise eyebrows, i mean, 2 houses that had the same little girl living within both burning down within 2 years, even with Esther's child persona that would be at least slightly suspicious. Or the Albrights were the Sullivans and the writers for some reason decided to change their name, but even so sister Abigail said in the first film that the fire was arson but in first kill the fire is started by a stove being left on. This plot hole regarding the families and their names really needs explaining.
@@rockyant3414 I think that the movie takes place before the Sullivan incident prior to the first movie. First Kill happened, then "Esther" got adopted by the Sullivan's and killed them, then the events of the first movie happened.
@@rcspeedy8109 You're right that could be true. Unfortunately the directors haven't provided any information about this. One thing about the Sullivans coming after the Albrights though is the suspicious nature of the same "little girl" being in 2 house fires over 2 years, that is bound to raise a few eyebrows. However Esther could've somehow redacted this info as Sister Abigail and the staff at St Marianas think that Esther was originally from Russia, when her official identity is Esther Albright from Darien Connecticut. This theory seems more plausible than the Albright's in First Kill somehow being the Sullivans and the names were mixed up in Orphan 2009.
On your point about people's opinions not being skewed by something in a horror film: worth pointing out that not long after the movie came out, a family actually claimed their adopted kid had a similar condition to Esther in the film. I think the issue comes from the stigma against adoptees as "more disposable" or "not [the parents'] real kids" so it's awkward when something comes out that SEEMS to confirm all those tropes about adopted kids being difficult. They should have actually seen the film though
I always thought that Leena pushed Allan off the roof because she saw the shocked disgust in his eyes when he realised she wasn't Esther. It's like all those insults Gunned had been throwing at her suddenly manifested and she had to act upon it.
Leena messed up so often in First Kill because it was her time impersonating someone else. Before that, she only pretended to be a kid and had complete control over her cover. In First Kill, she had to play a very specific role instead of being whoever she wanted to be.
I think Esther likes John, specifically, because he reeks: EASY TARGET! Easy manipulated by her and on some rocks with his wife. Also, Leena's backstory isn't concrete. It was cut from the first one, the second one doesn't touch on it. If they make a third prequel, even further into the past, they could change it.
I think john trusted esther because he saw her as a real daughter as the reson they adopted was to replace jessica, just like allen he saw his lost daughter.
I’ve been waiting for a video like this for so long. I love Esther and I’d obviously never do the things she does and I’ve thankfully never been through the things she’s been through either, but I can still relate to her since I’m also an adult who looks like a child, I imagine it being frustrating in theory (I don’t get into adult spaces often) and a few years ago I used to wish I could be adopted (it’s since changed because of me maturing and also because the couple I had in mind broke up (it was mutual and amicable tho) and I had already started seeing the younger one of them as more like a big brother figure anyway). Also, an interesting trivia tidbit: Esther’s Bible is in an archaic form of Swedish. It sounds strange at first, but in real life Estonia was actually a Swedish territory until it was ceded to Russia in the early 1700s.
Dont forget how there was a REAL girl with dwarfism who had been abused and git abandoned because of the film. A girl they called the "real life orphan" who thr parents abandoned. They decided she was 22 instead of 6 when its more likely she was 10-12, common with orphans from abroad when nobody knows their birth year and the kid is disabled and cant communicate. The poor girl was completely abandoned for...having mental illness, dwarfism, and being past puberty when the parents wanted to bottle feed her. She is still demonized by thousands on the internet today
This is so exciting! A new video! Orphan was a trip and Esther was very dark, eerie, chilling and interesting. I just wanted to say that I love your channel and I hope that it keeps going! As a request: when Luca Guadagnino's Bones and All gets released by MGM studios on Nov. 23, would you profile Maren cause I think Maren deserves a mention. And maybe even a collaboration video with UA-camr Yhara Zayd as a continuation of Zhara's monstress comes of age video essay series? That'd be so epic :)
@@antiheroines-you-love Seriously....I strongly recommend B&A. That novel's extremely dark but so well written. This novel shocked me, disturbed me, mesmerized me, haunted me, entranced me and then finally, ripped me apart and I still have a raw emotional wound afterwards 😭 I'm also still waiting for Luca Guadagnino's movie adaptation of B&A and I know that that movie will intensify my feelings times 1000.
As an adopted child,I feel really Blessed to have been raised by two wonderful parents. I was told I was special because I was chosen.Sometimes adopted children are looked down upon.
The slap at the end cracked me up! 😅😅 But I DO wish them to make another 'Orphan' movie or short story movie or book or comic to show how her life was before the SAARNE Institute to really understand what events took place in her life that helped her become how she is in 'Orphan: First Kill'. #criminalpsychology
I do feel like this is such a tricky story to cast for, particularly Esther/Lina's part - I feel uncomfy with a child playing such a grim piece, but it's also just very notable that she's obviously gotten older in the second movie, and it looks more like a teenager trying to be a little girl than anything else (though one could argue that it works in favour of Esther's parents seeing the problems with her attempts at portraying their daughter)
This was so insightful! Hope you'll be looking into Kathryn Merteuil from Cruel Intentions (1999) and Amy Elliott Dunne from Gone Girl (2014) sometime soon
The Take channel did a great take on Kathryn's side of the Cruel Intentions story. Check it out if you haven't seen it already. This channel also needs to cover Gingersnaps.
I prefer the first movie cause it really frightened me. I do love how First Kill is based on that real life family that a false son pretended to be their missing son and they let the fake stick around because they probably killed him. I feel like they should’ve just not made it an Orphan prequel since I had trouble seeing it as fitting especially since Lena’s age is obviously younger in the story set after First Kill.
I think the director and the production team should have thought things through more thoroughly. If a message can be misinterpreted, it def will be. Especially when it concerns a "messy" woman, so it wouldn't become an example of vilification of victims who refuse to forgive their abusers ControversIAL* stuff, really
I just found this channel and I’m absolutely obsessed, I have a recommendation. I adore complex female characters in books, can you do a video about any of the girls from the virgin suicides and also the marquis de Sade from Les liaison dangeruese. Or Courtney from jawbreaker, I think you’d have a field day
I love this film so much and consider it a great cult classic among horror fans and will still watch it every now and then when I have the freedom to enjoy it! 💯
That line about not loving your adoptive child as much as your own was supposed to be extremely hurtful.... It wasn't a throw away line and gives weight to acting
16:08 She didn't just find random clothes her size the guard gives the dress to her when she was in the hospital, where you not paying attention to that?
She looks older in the prequel.🤨 They should've just used her image from the first movie instead of superimposing her adult face onto a child's body. And even before the prequel she was a hardened prostitute for years, not some wimpy submissive, those two could've been a good team (of serial killers).
Ikr it's so obvious She looks older in the prequel. It would have been hard to get a different actor that looks like exactly like her, but taking her face from the first movie would have been a really good idea. Just think of it as She got better at makeup to make her look more like a kid with a second family I guess.
I guess they are also getting at killing the one she thought she was going to convince she’s the one for him and marry first time round is harder then the second plus for all the other stuff she probably only had her background and possibly films as reference which could explain why she was so awkward
There was 2 cases like that, one before the movie that probably inspired it (East of Europe with abuse and proof) and one after the movie which what others are referring here. Nut the second one isn't really proved, and most likely to be the adoptive parents that freaked out
I think First Kill was to show that Esther wasn’t perfect..yet. She had to play out a girl they already knew and had to act like her in Orphan she could just be her normal self without any questions about her “old self”.
I kinda disagree on your view with First Kill. This is a movie, so I don't really expect any realistic depictions (such as how easily she escaped the mental hospital). I also believe Lina/Esther started off as being a bit messy with her plans and that the family she ended up with only increased her rage and encouraged her to continue fooling her victims.
I really hope they don't turn Esther super goofy for a future Orphan film (With the third film announced) like how it did with Freddy Krueger and Chucky.
Orphan: First Kill should’ve been a sequel, not a prequel. It probably would have been had the first Orphan retained the original Sunset Boulevard-style ending and Esther survived. Isabelle Fuhrman inevitably looks much older, although she is excellent in both films. The real problem with First Kill isn’t the screenplay, it’s Julia Stiles’ one-note performance. Vera Farmiga can act Stiles off the screen.
I havent felt this uncomfortable by a movie since hereditary. But it isnt a disgusted "this shouldnt exist" type of movie. Yeah it felt like it was gonna cross a couple of lines but it didnt.
Canonically this is the starting point….but there will be more info revealed, I hope 🤞 Also…in the original they said the Sullivans died in a house fire. Her first “family” has the last name Albright leading me to hope we get a movie showing life with the Sullivan family. Maybe that’s when Leena really hones her craft. It could just be a mistake, or a door cracked open just enough to eek out one more movie. Isabelle Fuhrman has said something about at least the possibility of a third. God, I hope we get to see that. Even if it’s trash, I’d still watch it
This movie is based on a real life woman who looked like a child and was adopted by an American couple. That’s why the adoption groups didn’t like the movie.
She was a child. They proved it in court. The Americans were neglectful monsters who wanted a little doll instead of a sexually abused, critically disabled child.
honestly i counted to see the story that shows us what drove her to become the killer so i am kind of disappointed you hope for no more prequels or sequels? well.... your hope is dead than because they are already making 3rd movie
lol, really? Orphan2's plot twist is just a plot twist because they wanted/needed one,but u think it's not taught over about? the moment the parents came on the stage in the beginning and how the mother acts and put us on the wrong leg,etc etc is proof that thet knew what they were doing with that big twist,and that the director and crew were messing with the audience and thought about each detail and how and what we would think about it and be wrong untill the 1 hour mark would be and go. Sorry,but very bad conclusion of you,each has right on their own opinion,but u are literally accusing the writers and crew of them being lazy or silly or didn't think about it and were just doing it for the sake of it,is just not tight and just wrong conclusion,sorry i had to vent this,no offence
1:27 "Horror is supposed to push moral boundaries, confront taboos, and make us feel uncomfortable" Okay, but if at the end of the day your film really only vindicates people's negative biases and prejudice against a specific group (in this case, adoptees), what does that exactly say about it ? What does the negative impact Silence of the Lambs had on trans people say about it ? What does the negative impact Split had on people with dissociative identity disorder say about it ? What does the negative impact half of the horror movies out there (including The Orphan) have on people with physical conditions say about them ? I'm sorry, but that is one big platitude if I've ever seen one. If you wanna do a video on a movie that actually confronts taboos and makes us feel uncomfortable, maybe talk about Get Out instead.
If a movie is enough to validate your negative biases, then that says more about you as a person than the movie itself. People can make whatever they want and shouldn’t be worried about one’s personal contrived thinking.
I think there is the responsibility of the artist and the responsibility of the audience. Split is a good movie. It is good to watch. But at the same time it is a fantasy. Literally one of the guy's alters is the "Beast" who cam climb on walls. The artist never claims this fantasy is a representation of DID. While there were some accuracies but keep in mind when it comes to television. Things will be dramatize or fantasize. The audience came in and left the movie with "This is a representation of D.I.D. This is what it is." When I watched The Orphan I didn't have the thought "This is what a representation of physical/genetic disorder. This is a what person with physical/genetic disorder is." I watched numerous times when I was a kid. Never once did I thought of that. If you went to theories theaters to watch "The Orphan" "Split' and etc. With "Yhis is a representation of _____ and how a person with this is. " Then are you mature enough to distinguish reality vs fantasy? If not then maybe it says more about you than writers, producers, actors who worked on the film.
I taught at a special school. There were plenty of kids with reactive attachment disorder. Most from the former Soviet states. I would not adopt from there ever. Little sociopaths.
You reek of narcissism--lack of empathy, purposely working with abused kids when you deeply hate and resent them--i shudder to think what you did to those children.
If you think about it, Claudia from Interview with the Vampire is very similar to Esther; they both can't grow up and murder people out of frustration.
Ohhh, true true
And Baby Doll from Batman: The Animated Series if you make it more PG
Spot on!
Poor Claudia 😢
And sprite from the ethereal comics
I just liked first kill because u see Esther doing more adult things than before like driving for example u know Isabelle probably had so much fun this time around
I love how they played maniac when she was driving. That's an awesome scene 👏 😀 👌 😎
FIrst Kill was a lot of fun, but it made sense to me that Esther isn't up to her full potential yet... to go back to the quote about kids growing up too fast, if Esther is a logical extend of that idea, kids mirror what they see their parents do. So for her to learn her maniac moves from the mother and son in First Kill, and then implying that she used them on the original family later... it makes narrative sense!
Hmm maybe but we are doing the mental work that writers should have done
@@antiheroines-you-love oh true! I definitely don't think it's a masterpiece, they could've done a lot better... but that was my line of thinking!
I just finished First Kill, OMG that twist 👏🏿
@@antiheroines-you-love it’s no mental work though? Your mental gymnastics of an assumption that her FIRST KILL as Esther would be as polished as it was in the first? THATS a ton of mental work for an argument that makes so little sense it hilarious. Lol I think you were either high when you wrote this essay or you don’t know a prequel comes first.
@@triciacarey2288 thanks for being so sassy just cause i have a different take on a very subjective thing
The actress who played Lina/Esther was so incredible. I watched it with all my friends on Halloween night when I was 14 and it really effected me because I definitely felt the way society and patriarchy had been eroding my childhood in order to sexualize me. Her ribbons remind me of "The Green Ribbon" story.
Her name is spelled "Leena" not Lina
We all gotta grow up sometime kid. Men pursue careers, women maintain families, you have a job to do.
@@lamardays883men can persue careers as well as maintain families, the same for women. Your point of view is trash because gender roles are bulshit
@@lamardays883meaningless platitudes delivered grandpa-style by an internet stranger minimizing the struggles of a person you’ve never met on a year old post. Quite cringe of you
@@lamardays883 what's her "Job"
The original Orphan should've kept the original script. Esther murdering another girl at the Orphanage and the Doctor telling more detail on how Leena became the way she is.
Don't forget: she actually killed Daniel in the original script and they just change that in the last minute.
The infamous "alternate ending" where Esther survives was also the original one, to leave the doors opens for a sequel.
The bad reception of the test audiciende was a major part of change some of this stuff.
@@quiver5756 Yes, the original script would've made Orphan a lot better. It's still an underrated film. The original script makes Esther more darker imo. I would love to see how adults would've reacted with a 9 year old talking about pleasing a man.
@@supratrd900I agree
This movie is just sad altogether. I can’t even imagine being the real Esther and the fear she must’ve went through before her brother, Gunner killed her then having a mom who clearly appeared not care about her at all when it is your mother who is supposed to protect you and here Tricia was throwing her own dead daughter into a well like she was a piece of garbage then allowing her clearly distraught husband believe that their daughter was missing when Tricia and Gunner knew all along that that wasn’t the case. Truly sick and evil people and I was rotting for Esther/Leena the whole time to kill them both! Disgusting horrible people!
I agree I was rooting for Esther this whole film too.
i remember liking the first movie but I didn't know if i'd end up watching the new one. I really found the whole topic intriguing - it's horrifying for the family having her around thinking she's a child, but it must be even more horrifying for Esther, considering her past and whole identity. This was another great video! I always love the topics you choose and how you approach them. Your style is very unique and approachable, yet smart and precise at the same time. xx
Thank you for being so nice💖
New one is sht
I think they should have named the prequel Esther since it's about her acting as Esther more than her becoming an orphan. it also works better since Esther has the same amount of letters as Orphan. It feels like if there were more of these movies, they would be stuck in the same trap that movies like Hunger Games or Twilight got in where every movie has to have the title of the original unnecessarily.
Marketing it's a business. Esther sounds cooler to me.
@CipherRage-tp5qla short series would be cool
In other countries the first one is named esther at least in France
Like I kinda agree on all your criticisms of First Kill, but can't help but love the prime schlock we were given. I really wish the second half was longer and we got to see more of Leena and Tricia's uneasy truce. But I really loved the concept of an unhinged grifter killer trapped with even more insane people.
Knowing it was a prequel gave room to Leena to be less meticulous, almost as if this was a trail run on how she was perfecting her skillset, but it also made me kinda yell at my screen about her being so sloppy sometimes. All in all, it worked well enough to be such fun.
Agreed. I think first kill should've been 2 hours just like the original instead of only being an hour and 40, it should've shown more of Esther up to her antics with the family and especially after the twist because as soon as that revelation occurs there's only like 30 minutes left of the film and what we do see is only about 30 minutes before it is over. This is all the more important because in the first film, nearly all of the screentime is Esther with the family, and it's 2 hours whereas with first kill we see Leenas escape from the Saarne Instituute and only then does she infiltrate the family so not only is there less time for her to mingle with the family due to the films length, but there's also another segment that is completely unrelated to the Albrights.
Ah hell nah, I think the one and only time I've watched this was back in around 2008 when it was still a recent release and it chilled me to the bone. Being a teenager then, I couldn't grasp the deeper message of it like I do now, but the director's point about it being a subtle analogy to little girls and teenage ones being forced to grow up too fast by our oversexualized culture. And imagine the first film was made over ten years ago, nowadays it's so much worse! This why I wish they kept the cut scene where Esther reads that article about sex in Cosmopolitan when they're in the supermarket, it would have really driven home the symbolism. I myself remember as a child seeing pornographic magazines displayed for us to see at the newstand, right where they also sold materials for children. The doctrine of female objectification was forced on us very early..
Anyway, thank you for such a fantastic analysis! Your channel is truly a gem!
The movie was not what I expected. I thought it was going to go into more details and be more gruesome. When I saw that you posted a video about this I got so excited. Because we always seem to share the same thoughts expect yours are more articulate. When she slapped Gunner it was so satisfying 😂 also great video as always 😊
Thank you for saying i'm articulate ahhaha, when i read the comments you are all way smarter than me with my limited vocabulary
wow, I've been obsessed with the Orphan since I'm twelve (13 years by now) and it's nice to see it still has fans
I've always thought the prequel was a project that had never been greenlit, it's a bummer it's not very good, but I don't think I ever had many expectations about it when I heard the synopsis
thank you for making this video, it was pretty good
I didn't have any expectations too and thought it would never be made
12?😂😂 girl
@@Zombina638 I watched it when I was 12 too and worse horror films like the Hostel, Saw, and Wolf Creek movies, lmao. A bit of an odd child.
@@Zombina638 my dude i watched WAYY worse stuff when i was under 12
maybe you should stop watching horror movies
A weird inconsistency that probably will only bother me is that I very clearly remember it being mentioned in the first film that the name of the previous family who died in the house fire was Sullivan, not Albright. It also says that she was also adopted into that family, and they had brought her to America in a possibly illegal under the table adoption that didn't have proper records of having happened and why they thought she was russian, not estonian.
One possibility is that Esther did indeed get adopted by a family called the Sullivans whose house burned down, but that would raise eyebrows, i mean, 2 houses that had the same little girl living within both burning down within 2 years, even with Esther's child persona that would be at least slightly suspicious. Or the Albrights were the Sullivans and the writers for some reason decided to change their name, but even so sister Abigail said in the first film that the fire was arson but in first kill the fire is started by a stove being left on. This plot hole regarding the families and their names really needs explaining.
@@rockyant3414 I think that the movie takes place before the Sullivan incident prior to the first movie. First Kill happened, then "Esther" got adopted by the Sullivan's and killed them, then the events of the first movie happened.
@@rcspeedy8109 You're right that could be true. Unfortunately the directors haven't provided any information about this. One thing about the Sullivans coming after the Albrights though is the suspicious nature of the same "little girl" being in 2 house fires over 2 years, that is bound to raise a few eyebrows. However Esther could've somehow redacted this info as Sister Abigail and the staff at St Marianas think that Esther was originally from Russia, when her official identity is Esther Albright from Darien Connecticut. This theory seems more plausible than the Albright's in First Kill somehow being the Sullivans and the names were mixed up in Orphan 2009.
On your point about people's opinions not being skewed by something in a horror film: worth pointing out that not long after the movie came out, a family actually claimed their adopted kid had a similar condition to Esther in the film. I think the issue comes from the stigma against adoptees as "more disposable" or "not [the parents'] real kids" so it's awkward when something comes out that SEEMS to confirm all those tropes about adopted kids being difficult.
They should have actually seen the film though
OH MY GOD A NEW VIDEO SO SOON ARE YOU KIDDING ME I AM DYING OF HAPPINESS
Me too! Do you know any other similar channels by any chance?
@@moonlitshadows Yhara Zayd is pretty similiar to her content!
Has pretty similiar content! **
I know that one and I love her too haha
Me too!!!
I always thought that Leena pushed Allan off the roof because she saw the shocked disgust in his eyes when he realised she wasn't Esther. It's like all those insults Gunned had been throwing at her suddenly manifested and she had to act upon it.
Leena messed up so often in First Kill because it was her time impersonating someone else. Before that, she only pretended to be a kid and had complete control over her cover. In First Kill, she had to play a very specific role instead of being whoever she wanted to be.
I think Esther likes John, specifically, because he reeks: EASY TARGET! Easy manipulated by her and on some rocks with his wife.
Also, Leena's backstory isn't concrete. It was cut from the first one, the second one doesn't touch on it. If they make a third prequel, even further into the past, they could change it.
Women unhinged. My fav genre.
Boy do they love the crazy woman trope..
I think john trusted esther because he saw her as a real daughter as the reson they adopted was to replace jessica, just like allen he saw his lost daughter.
I’ve been waiting for a video like this for so long. I love Esther and I’d obviously never do the things she does and I’ve thankfully never been through the things she’s been through either, but I can still relate to her since I’m also an adult who looks like a child, I imagine it being frustrating in theory (I don’t get into adult spaces often) and a few years ago I used to wish I could be adopted (it’s since changed because of me maturing and also because the couple I had in mind broke up (it was mutual and amicable tho) and I had already started seeing the younger one of them as more like a big brother figure anyway). Also, an interesting trivia tidbit: Esther’s Bible is in an archaic form of Swedish. It sounds strange at first, but in real life Estonia was actually a Swedish territory until it was ceded to Russia in the early 1700s.
Dont forget how there was a REAL girl with dwarfism who had been abused and git abandoned because of the film. A girl they called the "real life orphan" who thr parents abandoned. They decided she was 22 instead of 6 when its more likely she was 10-12, common with orphans from abroad when nobody knows their birth year and the kid is disabled and cant communicate. The poor girl was completely abandoned for...having mental illness, dwarfism, and being past puberty when the parents wanted to bottle feed her. She is still demonized by thousands on the internet today
Yeah and it turned out that she was 6 at that time because she took a test recently to determine her age at the time
I've never heard of your channel before, but when I see "the Orphan" and I click
This is so exciting! A new video!
Orphan was a trip and Esther was very dark, eerie, chilling and interesting.
I just wanted to say that I love your channel and I hope that it keeps going! As a request: when Luca Guadagnino's Bones and All gets released by MGM studios on Nov. 23, would you profile Maren cause I think Maren deserves a mention. And maybe even a collaboration video with UA-camr Yhara Zayd as a continuation of Zhara's monstress comes of age video essay series? That'd be so epic :)
Oh oh I was thinking of reading Bones and All, is the book good? Really loved the recent trailer for the movie
@@antiheroines-you-love Seriously....I strongly recommend B&A. That novel's extremely dark but so well written. This novel shocked me, disturbed me, mesmerized me, haunted me, entranced me and then finally, ripped me apart and I still have a raw emotional wound afterwards 😭 I'm also still waiting for Luca Guadagnino's movie adaptation of B&A and I know that that movie will intensify my feelings times 1000.
As an adopted child,I feel really Blessed to have been raised by two wonderful parents. I was told I was special because I was chosen.Sometimes adopted children are looked down upon.
The slap at the end cracked me up! 😅😅 But I DO wish them to make another 'Orphan' movie or short story movie or book or comic to show how her life was before the SAARNE Institute to really understand what events took place in her life that helped her become how she is in 'Orphan: First Kill'. #criminalpsychology
No way! I haven't seen this movie in a while but I have seen it a few times. So excited to watch your take on it.
It was fantastic! 💯
Such great editing! I love all your videos, and i love the woman unhinged series, makes me feel kinda good lol
Thank you so much, i like editing more than actual talking and writing the script....
Well you always do a great job bringing your opinions into words, love what you do ❣️
15:39 the therapist unlocked her door, allowing Leena to sneak in after climbing out the trunk.
I’ve had friends doing pot and other drugs when they were real young, like 10-12 irl so that plot point is believable to me
That's sad
I was literally a ward of the state- as in Never Adopted.
I freaking love this movie. 😂💀
I do feel like this is such a tricky story to cast for, particularly Esther/Lina's part - I feel uncomfy with a child playing such a grim piece, but it's also just very notable that she's obviously gotten older in the second movie, and it looks more like a teenager trying to be a little girl than anything else (though one could argue that it works in favour of Esther's parents seeing the problems with her attempts at portraying their daughter)
0:28
Never seen the movie before and had to literally rewind this part because it caught me at a left field
They should make another prequel of the backstory of Esther including deleted scenes of her backstory.
This was so insightful! Hope you'll be looking into Kathryn Merteuil from Cruel Intentions (1999) and Amy Elliott Dunne from Gone Girl (2014) sometime soon
The Take channel did a great take on Kathryn's side of the Cruel Intentions story. Check it out if you haven't seen it already. This channel also needs to cover Gingersnaps.
omg best day ever, antiheroines posted again!!
Great video. Love your presentation. You are good at this, be proud of yourself.
I prefer the first movie cause it really frightened me. I do love how First Kill is based on that real life family that a false son pretended to be their missing son and they let the fake stick around because they probably killed him. I feel like they should’ve just not made it an Orphan prequel since I had trouble seeing it as fitting especially since Lena’s age is obviously younger in the story set after First Kill.
I think the director and the production team should have thought things through more thoroughly. If a message can be misinterpreted, it def will be. Especially when it concerns a "messy" woman, so it wouldn't become an example of vilification of victims who refuse to forgive their abusers
ControversIAL* stuff, really
I enjoyed First Kill a ton! It was such a blast!!
I just found this channel and I’m absolutely obsessed, I have a recommendation. I adore complex female characters in books, can you do a video about any of the girls from the virgin suicides and also the marquis de Sade from Les liaison dangeruese. Or Courtney from jawbreaker, I think you’d have a field day
In the prequel, I don’t know why she wouldn’t pretend to be suffering from amnesia.
I was 12 when this movie came out , and I've loved it ever since
your channel is 24kt gold
I love this film so much and consider it a great cult classic among horror fans and will still watch it every now and then when I have the freedom to enjoy it! 💯
That line about not loving your adoptive child as much as your own was supposed to be extremely hurtful....
It wasn't a throw away line and gives weight to acting
16:08 She didn't just find random clothes her size the guard gives the dress to her when she was in the hospital, where you not paying attention to that?
I always love your videos but the this one i'll probably have to skip! thanks for the content warnings ❤ looking forward to your next video
She looks older in the prequel.🤨 They should've just used her image from the first movie instead of superimposing her adult face onto a child's body. And even before the prequel she was a hardened prostitute for years, not some wimpy submissive, those two could've been a good team (of serial killers).
Ikr it's so obvious She looks older in the prequel. It would have been hard to get a different actor that looks like exactly like her, but taking her face from the first movie would have been a really good idea. Just think of it as She got better at makeup to make her look more like a kid with a second family I guess.
@@0000_v1 having watched a couple more videos I came to understand they used a forced perspective instead of CGI. 🙄😮💨
@@troywalkertheprogressivean8433 yeah they should've used a lot of cgi and ai, would've helped 😞
loved this video!
I guess they are also getting at killing the one she thought she was going to convince she’s the one for him and marry first time round is harder then the second plus for all the other stuff she probably only had her background and possibly films as reference which could explain why she was so awkward
Aw, I like the alternate ending better. It means Esther lives to do it all again. Mwahahaha!
everyone is like omg the affects are so good but like...that looks like a grown adult on their knees and it took me out of the movie to be honest.
So true but your eyes get used to it ahah
THANK YOU for also agreeingi how stupid the beginning of FK was - most dangerous prisoner and she has nobody with her and just walks out LOL
I love this channels comentary its so soothing
It honestly is and I watch it when I go to sleep which says something! 💯
0:32 THE CUTOFF!! (LOL)
I thought there was a case like that in real life but it's an older case that actually happened
Natalia Barnette, if you look over the videos about the case. Your not sure 😕 how old she is or if you believe the adoption parents 🤔 it's so bizarre.
@@dominques.c.4237 I believe her. It’s a very odd case, and quite easy to fall down the rabbit hole of
There was 2 cases like that, one before the movie that probably inspired it (East of Europe with abuse and proof) and one after the movie which what others are referring here. Nut the second one isn't really proved, and most likely to be the adoptive parents that freaked out
I think First Kill was to show that Esther wasn’t perfect..yet. She had to play out a girl they already knew and had to act like her in Orphan she could just be her normal self without any questions about her “old self”.
I kinda disagree on your view with First Kill. This is a movie, so I don't really expect any realistic depictions (such as how easily she escaped the mental hospital). I also believe Lina/Esther started off as being a bit messy with her plans and that the family she ended up with only increased her rage and encouraged her to continue fooling her victims.
Orphan: First Kill is unnecessary, but it does contain a surprising plot twist.
When. I did this review I said the main issue was the fact that it was the duration time personally
I really hope they don't turn Esther super goofy for a future Orphan film (With the third film announced) like how it did with Freddy Krueger and Chucky.
You could argue Orphan First Kill is that as the tone seems a lot more comedic compared to the first its like if Tom and Jerry were humans .
Orphan: First Kill should’ve been a sequel, not a prequel. It probably would have been had the first Orphan retained the original Sunset Boulevard-style ending and Esther survived. Isabelle Fuhrman inevitably looks much older, although she is excellent in both films.
The real problem with First Kill isn’t the screenplay, it’s Julia Stiles’ one-note performance. Vera Farmiga can act Stiles off the screen.
I havent felt this uncomfortable by a movie since hereditary. But it isnt a disgusted "this shouldnt exist" type of movie. Yeah it felt like it was gonna cross a couple of lines but it didnt.
I was wondering if you can do the movie foxfire starring Angeline Jolie
Seen the poster, never watched it though, maybe I'll check it out
@@antiheroines-you-love it’s so good definitely worth watching and hopefully making a video on
@@antiheroines-you-love it’s foxfire omg I’m sorry
I love that movie
Personally I liked that Ester wasn't so sure of her self with the first family. I like to think they made her even more bitter that all humans suck.
I definitely thought that there were parallels in orphan to the good son
Canonically this is the starting point….but there will be more info revealed, I hope 🤞
Also…in the original they said the Sullivans died in a house fire. Her first “family” has the last name Albright leading me to hope we get a movie showing life with the Sullivan family. Maybe that’s when Leena really hones her craft.
It could just be a mistake, or a door cracked open just enough to eek out one more movie. Isabelle Fuhrman has said something about at least the possibility of a third.
God, I hope we get to see that. Even if it’s trash, I’d still watch it
That last sentence....i'd too
She's a hero in part 2 !
can u do pearl
I really want to, waiting for the whole trilogy to come out
@@antiheroines-you-loveOh, I can't wait for you to talk about those films!
What if she found a good home???
orphan first kill was very campy almost comedic compared to the eery and scary predecessor orphan
i can't help but feel bad for esther after reading/watching her backstory but this is just my opinion.
Hi is there any email adress where we can contact you for business inquiries ? Much love
im almost 17 but I look about 10 maybe im the new Esther or maybe Im overly late and just have bad genes haha
And also esther was a child sex survivor but also mental problems but neglected by adults ads to the problem that's why she turns to serial killing
She didn't learn empathy because the facilities who rescued her are also doing worse to her
Granny beats all ghostfaces, and white masked individual is a violation💀
Huh. HiTop Films just released video on Baby Doll
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Sorry girl they are said 3rd movie is coming I can’t wait
I think Lena had Rads..
1:25 bro...you underestimate how stupid people are.
I forgot Farmiga was in this. Straight up went "Norma Bates????" lmao
Movie Orphan is based on a true story
This movie is based on a real life woman who looked like a child and was adopted by an American couple. That’s why the adoption groups didn’t like the movie.
She was a child. They proved it in court. The Americans were neglectful monsters who wanted a little doll instead of a sexually abused, critically disabled child.
honestly i counted to see the story that shows us what drove her to become the killer so i am kind of disappointed
you hope for no more prequels or sequels?
well.... your hope is dead than because they are already making 3rd movie
lol, really? Orphan2's plot twist is just a plot twist because they wanted/needed one,but u think it's not taught over about? the moment the parents came on the stage in the beginning and how the mother acts and put us on the wrong leg,etc etc is proof that thet knew what they were doing with that big twist,and that the director and crew were messing with the audience and thought about each detail and how and what we would think about it and be wrong untill the 1 hour mark would be and go. Sorry,but very bad conclusion of you,each has right on their own opinion,but u are literally accusing the writers and crew of them being lazy or silly or didn't think about it and were just doing it for the sake of it,is just not tight and just wrong conclusion,sorry i had to vent this,no offence
1:27 "Horror is supposed to push moral boundaries, confront taboos, and make us feel uncomfortable"
Okay, but if at the end of the day your film really only vindicates people's negative biases and prejudice against a specific group (in this case, adoptees), what does that exactly say about it ? What does the negative impact Silence of the Lambs had on trans people say about it ? What does the negative impact Split had on people with dissociative identity disorder say about it ? What does the negative impact half of the horror movies out there (including The Orphan) have on people with physical conditions say about them ?
I'm sorry, but that is one big platitude if I've ever seen one. If you wanna do a video on a movie that actually confronts taboos and makes us feel uncomfortable, maybe talk about Get Out instead.
If a movie is enough to validate your negative biases, then that says more about you as a person than the movie itself.
People can make whatever they want and shouldn’t be worried about one’s personal contrived thinking.
I think there is the responsibility of the artist and the responsibility of the audience. Split is a good movie. It is good to watch. But at the same time it is a fantasy. Literally one of the guy's alters is the "Beast" who cam climb on walls. The artist never claims this fantasy is a representation of DID. While there were some accuracies but keep in mind when it comes to television. Things will be dramatize or fantasize.
The audience came in and left the movie with "This is a representation of D.I.D. This is what it is."
When I watched The Orphan I didn't have the thought "This is what a representation of physical/genetic disorder. This is a what person with physical/genetic disorder is." I watched numerous times when I was a kid. Never once did I thought of that.
If you went to theories theaters to watch "The Orphan" "Split' and etc. With "Yhis is a representation of _____ and how a person with this is. "
Then are you mature enough to distinguish reality vs fantasy? If not then maybe it says more about you than writers, producers, actors who worked on the film.
I watched the orphan first kill and when she killed the nurse i closed the movie.
Not a good film might i add.
The prequel is kind of a letdown
I loved Orphan. First kill was terrible lol
I taught at a special school. There were plenty of kids with reactive attachment disorder. Most from the former Soviet states. I would not adopt from there ever. Little sociopaths.
You reek of narcissism--lack of empathy, purposely working with abused kids when you deeply hate and resent them--i shudder to think what you did to those children.
I didn't enjoy First Kill, I get that she was new to the ~family replacing~ game but she did such a bad job, it was frustrating to watch
So much more could have been done with this movie. 😴
I hat that movie. In my opinion it's just stigmatize orphans, adoption and, in the end, of course a weman. Such a Disgasting message.
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Can’t believe I wasted time with this video
Let's think even more broadly, being on the internet is wasting time
And yet you bothered posting a comment? XD You're wack
@@antiheroines-you-loveTruth, lol.
@@antiheroines-you-loveI think u making things up that doesn't exist
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No i don't think so?
How?!
Been waiting for this one