I'm so glad I came across your video. Thank you so much for the info. I just bought a 2015 tacoma limited. You hit the nail on the head on what mine does. Between 55-68mph or so, once you hit 70, boom, gone. And to be completely honest, I got into my truck flying to get round traffic on a highway I travel a lot, got up to about 85-90 and it drove excellent at that speed, was blown away. But between 55-68, sometimes it shakes, and sometimes not. Sometimes it shakes more than other times. Its not bad, but enough to be really annoying. I got used to it in time. A friend of mine has a 2005. His does it to. I've tried to tell people that own these it's a known thing. But they didn't want to believe me. They must be lucky and the parts didnt fail, or, the owners that had them already did the fix you said. I've searched it on tacoma world because I wondered why. And I didn't find a good answer. And I had my tires balanced, did not fix it. My truck drives good and straight. So, alignment should be OK. Please send me a link to the part you bought. I love my truck to death. To be completely honest, I never took the time to search this issue on UA-cam. So glad I did and came across your video. Thank you for making this video. Anything you can tell me to reduce or fix this issue, please let me know.
eastcoastgearsupply.com/b-79232-1025774-ecgs.html In addition to this, I've also noticed it does it around 35-45 mph. My solution has been to keep it in 4th gear, because Toyotas programming telling the transmission to go into overdrive at as low as 35 mph & converter lockup around 40-45 mph 😡. So when I'm not going at least 45 (flat roads) it's in 4th. It actually saves gas, considering I live in an area with lots of hills it just keeps "gear hunting" when left in D. I still have some of the shake that I mentioned in the video. I am also suspicious of the rack bushings too. I'll be looking into that asap.
@@bbracing3925 that's crazy, I read some more comments on your video, and I noticed you said that. And I thought it was just me, but now that you said that, I sometimes feel a slight thing at 45. As I've said and you have said, people that either have them that don't do it think your crazy. Or, the dealer will think your crazy when you tell them whats going on. Like I've said, I've gotten used to it in time. You also hit the nail on the head about when you brake, mine shakes a lot worse when you go to brake a little hard if your doing those speeds and your wheel is shaking. And I know my rotors arnt warped because at regular speeds, it does not pulsate. I did read the comments and seen about the wheel torque being important with these trucks. I wondered about this for awhile. Again, thanks for putting this out their.
I am having the same issue on my 2015 Tacoma SR5 4x4. Shaking in the steering wheel only between 60-70. Got the tires balanced/aligned and it went away for a bit but came right back. Taking it to the shop for a second time tomorrow.
I’ve got a 2002 tacoma 4x4 TRD that also shakes @ 70 mph. Do I have this needle bearing in my vehicle as well or is this only on newer Tacoma’s? Thanks!
Thank you for this video, I've been in and out of the dealer for this issue and its been driving me crazy. The dealers literally treat you like your crazy, so one time I brought my 4runner with my trailer (the shake happens much more obviously when the frontend is unloaded, and took one of the service guys on a test drive. Low and behold they finally acknowledged the shake, and added grease to the joint. Seems it now happens at 60-63mph instead of 55mph.. I plan to have them warranty fix it until hopefully one day they realize they need to switch this! Thank you for showing me!!
Very important personal "TSB", check your steering column - mid shaft. It's easily accessible (under dash, in-between that gas/brake pedal). The rubber "rag joint"/ anti vibration disc is a shit design, and leads to a "disconnect" in the steering wheel sensitivity. Almost like a tugging at the steering in the opposite direction. I notice it the most at uneven/melted intersections or slight lane height differences when changing lanes on the highway. This issue also highly contributes to the vibration our trucks get at 60-70mph. There are quite a few good videos related to the Toyota mid shaft epidemic, that they also refuse to recall. 😡
Anybody ever figure out how to fix this shit? I have a 2013 base double cab 4x4 v6 4.0. I got new tires in March and everybn g started going to shit. Feels like I'm gonna slip out on the highway, steering loose as fuck, loud pulsating "rubbing" or vibrating sound over 50 mph. Feels like a fucking death trap. Mechanic replaced the rack and pinion but it actually got worse. I'm abit to do a whole front and rear suspension rebuild. Control arms and all.
I have a pretty serious wobble at highway speeds, but I also have 33s and a 3" lift on the truck. A year or two ago a friend and i installed the ECGS bushing and it helped, but I still get an intermittent vibration at highway speeds sometimes.
Have you checked your steering shaft flex disc? It's at the base of the steering column it connects the intermediate shaft to the column. (Above the brake pedal) they are a sh!+ Design. Even if you can't see any physical cracks in the rubber there's a good chance it's going bad. The way I was able to identify mine was if you ever go through an intersection at a stoplight that is all squished and wavy from heavy trucks sitting there on a hot day. If your steering starts pulling in weird directions as you pass over that, it's the steering "rag joint" going bad. I'm looking into doing the flex disc/rag joint elimination mod. There are a couple diy how to videos on UA-cam on it.
I didn't have any noise issues personally. Lifts do put a strain on multiple suspension components. That inner diff C/V needle bearing never stood a chance HaHa. 2 years have passed without any leaks or excessive movement, so I would say the ECGS kit is worth every penny!
Wiked video thanks ..2016 4runner started steering wobble with old tires on wear bars so got new ones and still wobbles, found it had a warped rotor due to seized piston on caliper thought for sure I got this and still wobbles!! I did notice excessive play at cv axle but most do so wasn't too concerned Thank you
It comes down to four things. Make sure you have a good tire that has under 15lbs of road force, make sure you have plenty of pressure in each tire, make sure your lugs are torqued to the EXACT same torque, and make sure your tires are clear of any rocks. Our steering racks are EXTREMELY sensitive to imbalances, plain and simple.
The clamshell bushing greatly improved my vibration issue but I do agree with the lug nut torque and clearing stones from the tread also in addition making sure that the rim mating surface and rotor mating surface/hub are clean. My vibration has started to come back again. This time I found that the rack bushings are starting to go bad. My Tacoma only ha 80,000 miles! (currently on the truck). And the steelership categorize that as a wear item which would not be covered under manufacturer suspension and steering warranty. 🤬 I'm a mechanic by trade it's not like I can't do the job myself it's just the principal of the warranty and subpar manufacturing process in my opinion. My solution is replacing them with black polyurethane bushings and hope for the best.
@@bbracing3925 Update. I noticed my runner does this most in the morning and im pretty sure its temporary flat spots. I did an experiment where I put it up on jack stands overnight to keep the weight off the front tires. The next morning it drove as smooth as butter...I did a little research and I guess all AT tires that are also snow rated are built with a nylon cap that aids in cold weather traction. The problem is that nylon also likes to "Set" when it cools, thus forming a temporary flat spot. This flat spot isnt usually noticed on most cars but the 4runner is extra susceptable due to its sensitive steering rack.
Had had a 08 and just sold it with 312k on it, I just lived with vibrations I got to where I didn’t even notice them anymore, the truck was solid and lasted . I now have a 2019 and it has little vibrations here and there but it’s a truck not a caddy.
@@jordanweimer5148 I bought an 07 that had new General Grabber XT3's and it shook awfully in the mornings. They would flat spot very easily! Still have mild vibes but the rack bushings are very worn...truck will follow the road crown even if aligned (wheels may be aligned to one spot, but the rack will shift slightly and "straight" now points to the right).
Did you ever sort this out? I had vibrations under braking and think i solved it. I did rotors and pads (no fix), clamshell bushing (maybe some fix), changed bad ball joints, sway bar bushings, complete transmissions flush (no filter change), no steering rack bushing yet. But i feel i got rid of most of it with new upper ball joints and bushings. I added your video to a playlist for Toyota maintenance, and I have another that may help. Its called the Transmission Shudder, something to do with the torque converter which someone may have mentioned in the comments of this video. Due to worn out torque converter or clutch pads inside the tranny. Try a drain and fill, and/or a tube of Lubegard ShudderFix. I did a complete flush like Timmy the Toolman did by detaching a hose from the radiator.
Man that's frustrating. I know with my Jeep sometimes you can try different tire pressures and a lot of the vibration will go away so you know on your Tacoma you should be able to run anything from about 27 lb to about 36 lb without any problems just try different pressures in that range and see what happens
So I bought the ECG bearing. Paid a mechanic to put it in. He told me it was too small and put the needle bearing back in. $200. I haven’t dealt with it Yet but sometimes You go two steps back and one step forward.
Wow interesting. I have 2017 4runner and have same issue. Although after going from 265 to 285 wide tire vibration is 80% less but I still get it. Do you happen to have the link of the site where I can get the bushing? Thanks great info!
I was able to get rid of 80% of the shake by doing the LF differential clamshell bushing conversion from ECGS. The other 20% I'm worried might be inherit torque converter shudder due to TCM programming. I believe according to the data on my scanner (Snap-On Solus Edge) the converter clutch is going into "lock up" at as low as 35-40 mph, lugging the engine down for improved MPG. At 60+ mph I see an erratic wave pattern coming from the converter clutch solenoid. ???? Also get an issue where sometimes it doesn't want to leave 4th and go to 5th so I have to slap the shifter from 4th to regular drive again to get it to shift. It's done this since I bought it. I've also talked to other Toyota owners and they have confirmed the same weird software glitch in the transmission. I regularly service my truck every 30,000 miles with a pan drop and new fluid and I never see any deposits or metal material in the trans pan.
I love Toyota's I personally own 3. It's just sad to hear that they still have not corrected this issue. I have talked to toyota usa corporate engineers personally, and they said they would look into the matter, and this was 3 years ago that I had that conversation. Smh
@@unitedstatesmarine5087 As a mechanic I learned early on to buy the cars I saw the least coming through my shop and Toyota's seem to only come in for maintenance normally,. i don't think i have ever had to do anything major on a Tacoma or 4 runner, in my 15 years as a mechanic. I also own A 92 Lexus Sc300 and a 91 Toyota pick up. Both are 5 speed manual, both have their original drivetrains, and both have almost 200,000 miles and still running great! I actually daily drive the Sc300 45mi each way to work.
same. mine's a 2021. it's not even lifted. 5 trips to the dealership and they treat me like i'm insane. jerks. they even said they put chassis ears on my truck and everything is normal. smh.
If it is just the shake/vibration not a "death wobble" and it does not get worse or cause other issues then I'm not too worried about it. I will have to feel for it in my 4Runner.
Overtime it will cause bushings to wear out prematurely in the lower strut bushing & CV axle seals (personal experience). it will also cause cupping in the tires. all of those things together over time get expensive when you have to do it over and over, compared to the $70 ECS bushing kit. Im not affiliated with ECS in any way, just in personal experience, the kit fixed my issue that the dealer wouldn't even acknowledge, because they don't want to do it at warranty labor rates. I know their game. Im a mechanic by trade, I deal with warranty companies all the time. It is always in their best interest to not acknowledge an issue or find a way to blame the customer to get out of having to fix the issue on their dime.
Hey fellas. Just got a 22 Tacoma and unfortunately I’m getting the death wobble above 65mph. Got the tires balanced and didn’t fix. It’s disheartening that I’m dealing with this on a brand new truck and the dealer is just going to play dumb about this
@@natertots17 Same, dealer just said "oh a 4 wheel alignment will fix it" and $150 later I got no fix and the wheels were already aligned. It's hard to find a mechanic that cares.
It honestly sounded more like it was a tooth or a few teeth off on the driveshaft slip joint. It probably was put back into phase when it was taken off and put back on
As a mechanic, people always ask me, "why don't you go and work for a dealership, you will make more money." and I always tell them the same thing, "because I have a soul & morals."
been to the dealership 5 times for this issue and they treat me like a crazy person. still under warranty....guess i won't be buying another toyota. it's gotten so bad i think it's starting to bind and feels like something is dragging. transmission got up to 220 degrees the other day which is unusual for an empty load.
i have a 2019 Tundra TRD SPORT, same issues.... Have visited a few dealers and they have given me the same story they have you... Still searching for the problem, cause according to them, i am the only one with that problem.
I ended up taking it into my own hands. As a career mechanic I found the issue pretty quick, I even told them which (part) was the culprit and how to recreate the condition on a vehicle lift. I just didn't want to do it on my own time & dime, especially knowing it is a warranty covered repair. It should be a recall due to the vehicle becoming unstable at highway speeds and possible loss of traction on a steering/driven wheel on an already top heavy vehicle. 😓 I fixed it by installing a clamshell bushing kit from ECGS, they supply the tool to remove the old seal, the clamshell bushing and a new LF O.E.M. toyota cv axle seal. The whole job took roughly 2 hours of my life that ill never get back. 🥲
I have a 2007 Tacoma 2wd auto and get a wheel shake around 60mph and up. I don't hear any clunks or notice anything else and it just started happening I have a 1" lift
Were you able to fix it? I have a 3” lift with BF goodrich. I went and got an alignment and they balanced one tire and it just threw everything off. My truck drives like crap now. Going 65-80 my whole passenger seat looks like its gonna fly out the window. Any ideas?
Hey @B&B Racing, I came back to your video to re read your comment you sent back to me, so glad im reading this again. BTW, wheel shake is gone on my truck. Once I had my tires balanced again, fixed. Just in case to, I had a front end alignment done as well. Come to find out, my ball joints had play in them. I did all this when my truck had roughly 180k. Drives like new now. However, re reading your comment, your hitting the nail in the head on something else I am having issues with now. Your right about these trucks being in overdrive at 35mph. Stupid part is, its at like 1,100rpm. So stupid. and here lately, im behind a lot of slow pokes. Every once and awhile, ill run into someone doing 35mph up a hill. And im guessing whats happening is my converter is locking. Im thinking after reading tacoma world and re reading your comment, whats happening is the ecu is commanding the converter to lock. And when it does, it shakes my truck so bad, its like im driving a manual in a parking lot in 3rd gear at 5mph. And not all the time does it do this. Every once and awhile. and when it does shake that bad, its always at 35. Now, all the time , I will feel my truck when im doing roughly 35-40 it will vibrate some and when I hit the gas more, it will downshift and boom, vibration gone. I took your advice and I drove my truck today in 4th, it was so happy at those low speeds. Does this sound right to you or do you think its something else? I just put brand new spark plugs in it. I made sure to go to toyota and buy the oem denso plugs. Also, I made sure to clean my throttle body with the crc throttle body cleaner and the maf sensor with the crc maf cleaner.
It should’ve had at least a 6 sp transmission for one thing. They all gear hunt at certain speeds bc the ratios are too far apart… needs an intermediate gear. I’m installing the pedal commander tmrw, alot of ppl swear it gets rid of that by the extra ecu controlling the throttle instead of the stock ecu.
@RSL good to know. I'm not a mechanic by any means. I just understand how a lot of things work. I had someone drive my truck and they think its missing. Makes sense what the person told me. Since it's vibrated hard only a hand full of times, I didn't think about this. Sometimes, before a coil completely goes bad. Sometimes, it takes certain speed, rpm, load to make it miss. And I think that is it because when I pulled the plugs, it was denso on the passenger and ngk on the driver's bank. Big indication these have never been pulled. I read that on tacoma world and I thought that guy was joking. And I did this at 180k miles. The people that had it before me just had the motto if it aint broke, dont fix it. So, my gap when I pulled them was .040in out of spec. So, since of that, I'm thinking it took a toll on the packs. I just bought 6 denso coil packs. I'm going to try that and see what happens. If that doesn't take care of it. I was going to consider to have kdmax tune my truck. I got on summit racing and ordered all 6 denso packs for $45. The oem toyota ones are 110 and denso makes them 😂😂😂😂😂. So, if that's the case, I should be able to bolt them up and life is good. But if that doesn't solve it, I will strongly think about having kdmax tune my truck. However, I just looked at the pedal comannnder. That would be awesome. Buy a device and be done with it. Let me know how you like it.
@nathancaudill7683 did the plugs and coil packs fix this issue for you? I’ve done everything but this and my truck still wants to shudder when going into overdrive.
@Noah It seems to run smoother. So, I must have had a slight miss and from time to time it would vibrate horribly. Then again, I've only had this truck for 7months. I bought it with 176k on it. The others that had it never changed the spark plugs. Mine began to miss so I fixed it immediately. Then, i figured might as well put coils in it and see if that helps since i figured it worked the coils harder. And high load and low rpm in overdrive was making it do that. I checked the gap on the ones i pulled, they were at least .030in off from spec. But still, it does that around 35-40. I know dang well it's not a shutter because it only does this at that speed and in overdrive. Now if it was doing this at wide ranges of speed, then I know it would be a shutter. Other than that, this transmission operates beautifully. But sadly, it did not fix it. It still does it. I payed more attention to when mine does it. The only time it will vibrate is if your going up even a slight incline at those speeds in overdrive. If your on completely flat ground at 35-40mph in overdrive, it won't do it, so, what @RSL said, I can see why he's saying that. But really, it's not the transmissions fault. Its a beautiful trans for this truck. It's toyotas end because they have it set to make it be in overdrive at that speed. And naturally, if your behind a slow poke at those speeds, and you cant give enough throttle input to make it downshift going up a slight incline, then it will vibrate. Ive personally learned to live with it. What i have started doing is letting up off the pedal, let it slow down less than 35. As soon as it does, give it the amount of gas you need and it will downshift. But if you have a tuner tune it, they will change the shift points. Also, I will tell you something that helped me to, I forgot to mention this. I got to talk to a guy who used to be a master tech at my local toyota dealer. Hes a honest guy. So, i know hes not lying to me. This really helped my truck. He said these learn how you drive. So, what I would do is disconnect your ground cable. They say to let it sit for up to 10min. Personally, if it were me, I would let it sit with the ground cable off for a hr. Put it back on. It may drive funny since it lost all your driving habits. But drive the truck exactly how you drive it. And if your like me and like to get into the pedal, it seemed to be more responsive in downshifts.
@@alexr8855 , not really, although I got my tires balanced for about the 9th time a few weeks ago and it hasn’t shook since. Tire pressure is at 28lbs.
I have a 2020 tacoma that started getting vibration in rear right side I even installed new tires having balanced twice and still the vibration persist and it's driving me nuts Any idea? Will be appreciated
Thanks for the info. About to get a 2021 4runner so thats very helpful. Let's just hope it has been resolved. I heard Faye talk about a tsb for that. Difference was, it on applied to certain 19-20 rav4 awd and toyota called it a buzz. Might or might not be the same.
I have a brand new 4runner 2021 and this has been happening since day one the heck I just took my tire off because I got a screw in it and the whole inside of the tires is bald and the outer treads not. what the hell man? I have my tires rotated every 5000 miles it's only been 30,000 miles it shouldn't be this messed up
I resolved the issue with the LF inner cv axle (bushing) upgrade. They originally come with a sloppy pos needle bearing. 25,000 miles later, and no issues or leaks.
But like I say in the video the dealership would not recognize the problem or warranty it so I took it upon myself to fix the problem it wasn't too hard of a job for me, I'm on mechanic by tradeBut like I say in the video the dealership would not recognize the problem or warranty it, so I took it upon myself to fix the problem. It wasn't too hard of a job for me, I'm a mechanic by trade. I also am running the same size tires, But I upgraded my rims to the newest generation 4runner TRD pro rims.
Thanks for the video, but you are saying that it is happening on 4x4, when it is also happening on 2wd Tacomas. Mine is an 06 2wd and I’ve done the bakes twice and had inspected the bearings inspected since it started so I’m going with the suspension.
@@bbracing3925 the rack bushings is something I should check since it’s connected to the steering column and wheel. I don’t have vibration while accelerating just during braking at highway speeds. So I don’t believe it’s drive shaft related.
2020 SR5 Tacoma and does the same. 3 set of tires and 2 sets of rims and the dealer keeps saying its a wheel/tire issue. Had it road forced, aligned, ect. NO CHANGE. One service manager even said the Tacoma's are kind of "hoppy". I only have 18,000 miles on my truck. 👉🏾😒
They do get paid the same door rate a customer pays for warranty work. I worked at toy dealer for 8 years. Alot of the issues is techs have no idea how to diagnose these issues . Because that bearing is certainly under power train warranty. They have a NVH diagnostic tool but no one uses it. Also a go pro is a immensely important tool . Again no one uses them. You need to find a good tech
Thanks for the correction on warranty labor. I agree that it takes a good tech thats experienced and loves the job enough to actually do the research into the customers complaint. In the end as a mechanic I did just that, but unfortunately on my own time/dime.
Sir I just had Bilstein 5100 front shocks and 265/70R17 Falken tires installed. I noticed a very mild steering wheel shake on the freeway 60MPH. Just wondering how bad is the vibration that you were feeling and if mine is just the road, balancing issue or the issue you had. My Tacoma is a 2012 TRD Sport 4x4. Thank you.
You may need to do the ECGS clamshell bushing upgrade on the left side of your front differential. I did it to mine 2 years ago and it took away 90% of the shake at 60-70mph. That last 10% is just the nature of trucks I suppose.
Does the shake go away when you turn on your 4 WD CAUSE MINE IS LIKE A STRONG VIBRATION AND TOYOTA DOESNT KNOW WHAT IT IS. The guy from east coast bearing says it’s not my needle bearings. Thoughts ?
I would have your front CV axles and front drive shaft checked for balance. I have seen with CV shafts that they can develop rust scale under the boots or in the middle of the axle at the "vibration dampening bushing", that can cause an imbalance. With the drive shaft you could have a universal joint starting to seize up and similar with the CV joints in the axles if they have lost their grease out of the boots. "Possibly caused by the rust scale breaking away from under the cv boot.
I had strong vibration after a tire swap to 275/70/R17 BFG KO2s - 3 visits to the shop and 2 road force balances later the vibration was at a minimal and acceptable level, but before the balance it was a violent at freeway speeds. However after switching back to 265/70/17 nitto terra grapplers I still have wobble, much less than the KO2s but it may be the needle nose bearing that needs replaced for me at this point after using those heavy hard to balance KO2’s. Leo, have you switched tires recently? I ask because strong vibration to me sounds like your issue is not the bearing.
Hi i purchase a truck 2020 Tacoma brown new wiht 3 km and I facing the same vibration from day one and I still got vibration I bought them from Burlinton Toyota in Canada
Have the driveshafts checked for balance. But you mentioned you are from Canada, have you put your Tacoma through a good thawing? Ice chunks can knock weights off easily, and ice/snow freezing to the rim. It only takes a few ounces of weight. 🥶
I have a 2012 Tacoma and a few months ago I heard and felt a growl and a strong vibration. I thought a bearing was going bad so I took it to a shop and they couldn’t find anything. I’m still driving it and I feel a vibration in the wheel sometimes. Truck only has 57k on the clock. I’ll have to fix it myself if Toyota will only put the same needle bearings in it.
At what mph.? I have an identical situation - 2012 Tacoma 57,500 miles. Perfectly kept - one driver only. Mine is a rumble strip feel at 1rst to 2nd gear (about 20-30 mph.) if I do a slow acceleration (say, an old man's-type of driving 😄). A bit faster rpm will not reproduce it (or, maybe it overrides it?) It began occurring within the last year. Dealership can't really figure it out, either. It's beginning to obsess me a bit, because I can't get to the bottom of it. Otherwise, the truck's perfect - I love it - absolutely no other real problems.
Ive got a 2wd 2.7 double cab and I have the "typical" driveline vibration when slowing down. Feels like rumble or wake-up strips on a hiway. But now Ive got a vibration starting at 35-40. The frequency is pretty high. You cant see the steering wheel shaking but you can sure feel it, also in the floor and through the seat. Once I get past 60, the frequency gets so high you cant feel it. Carrier bearing?
@@qdigital5012 Went and had all 3 ujoints and the carrier replaced. 90% of the vibration is gone. I think what Im feeling now is the road and maybe tires. The "typical" Tacoma vibration when slowing down has happened but not near as frequent, and not as bad when it does. Ive felt it like a handful of times since the repair.
My 2017 Tacoma TRD Sport does this. I work as a tire tech and I decided to balance my wheels during my lunch break. Did all four tires and installed them back on. Driving way better but it still has a shit ton of shaking at 65-75 mph. I don’t know what’s wrong with the thing at this point.
Look into the kit for upgrading the left front CV axle/differential carrier needle bearing to the tighter fitting clamshell bushing from ECGS. I'm not sponsored by them or have any affiliation with them I personally did it on my Tacoma and it reduced the 60 to 65 mph vibration by about 80% at least and it's a relatively cheap upgrade and I've had no issues or leaks in the two and a half years since doing the upgrade. Another potential culprit for the vibration im finding with tacomas and 4runners, they're steering rack bushings are not as robust as they should be for a medium-sized truck, and they wear out prematurely. I noticed my vibration started to come back. They are a bit difficult to get a visual look at due to their location in the truck, but I found that my bushings were in pretty bad shape at only 80,000 mi.
The ECGS bushing kit has been holding up 100% and 95% of the shake stopped. Unfortunately I did it on my own time and dime, but at least I'm not doing further damage to other connected parts. (ball joints, bushings, shocks, tires etc.)
Yes so far, I have only noticed this issue in the LF. Also if you have a Tacoma, they have a tendency for the brake drum balance weight to fly off. It's easy enough to check. The weight is facing out, it's spot welded to the drum. Over time, corrosion tends to pop them off. This can cause a noticable vibration at 60+ mph as well. Hope this helps.
Just seeing this comment, my apologies. What are you referring to (part needing balanced) and what is the (Haweka adapter) - a part or a tool? I'm unfamiliar with this.
@@bbracing3925 Yes, it is a SST, special service tool and needs to be used on 4runners. you can google it. no one seems to have it where I live.... the service tech is to attach it to the wheel of said vehicle and mounted onto the balancing machine and it somehow balances true...
@@dundeeecroc I have to look into that. 👍 I know another trouble area for the shaking issue is in our steering mid shaft rag joint. They are a s*** design from the factory and there is a way to eliminate it completely.
@@bbracing3925 Sorry to hear! I hope you can remedy the situation. I currently daily drive my 1985 4runner SR5 5 speed on 35's with 5:29 gearing and has the 22re . no issues.
@@bbracing3925 Also, I owned 3 Tacomas all 4x4's TRD pros and I replaced all of them with Powerstop Ceramic rotors and pads kit, eliminated everything. also check wheel and tire balance.
Yeah I upgraded the LF inner cv axle needle bearing to the ECG bushing kit. Its not too bad of a job, but im also a mechanic. There are a bunch of install videos for the bushing kit
I believe it has to do with the balancing machines not being properly calibrated and technicians balancing everything lug centrically. The 4Runner and Tacoma wheels have to be balanced hub centrically. I had same problem with my 2007 4Runner, finally went to a shop that knew how to balance tires hub centrically and never had problem again.
Have you ruled out the typical culprits, like a wheel balance, warped rotors, etc.? - keep in mind we do not have floating calipers. Servicing the pad slider/retainer pins tend to need regreased about once a year to help limit any minor vibrations from inevitable warpage that occurs over time. This has been a minor contributor in my 60-70 mph vibration experience with mine and others I have diagnosed & repaired. If you have not done the -ECGS -LF inner c/v axle (Diff) clamshell bushing upgrade, I recommend getting it done. It definitely took away like 80-90% of my vibration. ECGS does not sponsor me in any way shape or form, I just find their kit to be top notch as far as quality. They include a new Toyota Oem axle seal, their upgraded bushing, and a perfect fit extraction tool for the bearing. As a mechanic that speaks for itself.
Same thing with my 2020 tacoma SR5 I changed my tiersand my i change the suspension still the same crap and I will never buy a toyota again . This is definitely a lemon 🍋 law issue...
The cv axle inner bearing swap to the ecg bushing took care of the issue for me. The dealer wanted nothing to do with it, so I did the job myself. - (I am a certified auto mechanic). Not the worst job to do but not exactly a simple job either.
Check your left front axle inner bearing "at the differential" the stock needle bearing is junk an developes a wobble "especially at moderate/high speeds". Also check your intermediate steering shaft, they go bad under 50,000 miles, sometimes even less. Toyota also refuses to recall this issue or even acknowledge the problem. 😡 And you know....... steering shafts aren't that big of a deal right??? 🤦
Definitely look into the - ECGS clamshell bushing kit and tool. It fixed my tacomas shaking. In the video of course it didn't shake as much as it normally did. But it was 100% worth the time and money. Im not affiliated with them in any way, just personal satisfaction with their kit.
Had my 2020 off road 19000 miles start doing it today. Anything over 50mph it shakes ridiculously. Just had my tires rotated but there’s no way a tire rotation can cause that much shaking. I’m pissed dude
My 2014 Nissan frontier has that same problem, where the steering wheel shakes and the passenger seat with shake a little bit at 70 mph. well I got new wheels and tires and it shakes but it even shook with my original wheels and tires that came on the truck I took it to get it aligned. and it still did it but not as bad every time I took in the tires to get a rebalance they kept saying oh yeah the weights were off and then I took it in again and they said yes the weights were off a little bit again. but I’m like I just got them rebalance like three times and every time I go in there it was always something different and it never ended it was always off every time I took it in but it never fix the problem now this isn’t a Nissan dealership this was a local tire shop that was trusted. and it’s still shakes and I can’t figure out what the problem is. They told me it could be the tires because Cooper at3 have problems with out around but other people are like my tires don’t do that they’re coopers too.
Although it's not a Tacoma I know the frontier is very similar in suspension geometry. First thing you want to check is if there is any play in your left front inner CV joint where the axle goes into the differential I'm not sure if this is a problem area for the frontier or not. Next I would check your steering shaft and rag joint. After that I would check your rack-and-pinion support bushings.
What are the symptoms? Mine sounds like a freight train is beside me starting around 55-60 then continues up to 75-80 mph? But the steering doesn’t shake. Thoughts?
@@leocaballero6984 did you figure out? I have the exact same issues as you. Highway speeds 70-80 vibrates a lot. Passenger seat shakes so much almost looks like its gonna fly out the window.
Given the current lineup of the truck market & prices, I would have to say the opposite. It's the dealerships that are the issue. Doesn't matter what brand, I just expected better with Toyota. This issue goes much deeper than my Tacoma's past issue.
Just get KM3’s and you won’t be bother by anything. Since the tire is already loud and beefy everything else gets muted out. 😂. Trust me 2 plus years in. Stock TRD PRO rims with 285/70/17
I'm so glad I came across your video. Thank you so much for the info. I just bought a 2015 tacoma limited. You hit the nail on the head on what mine does. Between 55-68mph or so, once you hit 70, boom, gone. And to be completely honest, I got into my truck flying to get round traffic on a highway I travel a lot, got up to about 85-90 and it drove excellent at that speed, was blown away. But between 55-68, sometimes it shakes, and sometimes not. Sometimes it shakes more than other times. Its not bad, but enough to be really annoying. I got used to it in time. A friend of mine has a 2005. His does it to. I've tried to tell people that own these it's a known thing. But they didn't want to believe me. They must be lucky and the parts didnt fail, or, the owners that had them already did the fix you said. I've searched it on tacoma world because I wondered why. And I didn't find a good answer. And I had my tires balanced, did not fix it. My truck drives good and straight. So, alignment should be OK. Please send me a link to the part you bought. I love my truck to death. To be completely honest, I never took the time to search this issue on UA-cam. So glad I did and came across your video. Thank you for making this video. Anything you can tell me to reduce or fix this issue, please let me know.
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In addition to this, I've also noticed it does it around 35-45 mph. My solution has been to keep it in 4th gear, because Toyotas programming telling the transmission to go into overdrive at as low as 35 mph & converter lockup around 40-45 mph 😡. So when I'm not going at least 45 (flat roads) it's in 4th. It actually saves gas, considering I live in an area with lots of hills it just keeps "gear hunting" when left in D. I still have some of the shake that I mentioned in the video. I am also suspicious of the rack bushings too. I'll be looking into that asap.
@@bbracing3925 that's crazy, I read some more comments on your video, and I noticed you said that. And I thought it was just me, but now that you said that, I sometimes feel a slight thing at 45. As I've said and you have said, people that either have them that don't do it think your crazy. Or, the dealer will think your crazy when you tell them whats going on. Like I've said, I've gotten used to it in time. You also hit the nail on the head about when you brake, mine shakes a lot worse when you go to brake a little hard if your doing those speeds and your wheel is shaking. And I know my rotors arnt warped because at regular speeds, it does not pulsate. I did read the comments and seen about the wheel torque being important with these trucks. I wondered about this for awhile. Again, thanks for putting this out their.
Same with my 2017 all you just said it’s what I got to say bro hate that it’s been so long and not knowing what’s really causing that problem
I am having the same issue on my 2015 Tacoma SR5 4x4. Shaking in the steering wheel only between 60-70. Got the tires balanced/aligned and it went away for a bit but came right back. Taking it to the shop for a second time tomorrow.
The ECGS bushing kit will most likely fix your shaking, It got rid of 90% of my tacoma's shaking at 60-70 mph. Hope that helps you sir.
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I’ve got a 2002 tacoma 4x4 TRD that also shakes @ 70 mph. Do I have this needle bearing in my vehicle as well or is this only on newer Tacoma’s? Thanks!
Thank you for this video, I've been in and out of the dealer for this issue and its been driving me crazy. The dealers literally treat you like your crazy, so one time I brought my 4runner with my trailer (the shake happens much more obviously when the frontend is unloaded, and took one of the service guys on a test drive. Low and behold they finally acknowledged the shake, and added grease to the joint. Seems it now happens at 60-63mph instead of 55mph.. I plan to have them warranty fix it until hopefully one day they realize they need to switch this! Thank you for showing me!!
Very important personal "TSB", check your steering column - mid shaft. It's easily accessible (under dash, in-between that gas/brake pedal). The rubber "rag joint"/ anti vibration disc is a shit design, and leads to a "disconnect" in the steering wheel sensitivity. Almost like a tugging at the steering in the opposite direction. I notice it the most at uneven/melted intersections or slight lane height differences when changing lanes on the highway. This issue also highly contributes to the vibration our trucks get at 60-70mph. There are quite a few good videos related to the Toyota mid shaft epidemic, that they also refuse to recall. 😡
@@bbracing3925 thank youuu I'll check it out!
Wow my truck has the same problem is shakes bad when I hit 50 mph I have a 2013 tacoma
Anybody ever figure out how to fix this shit? I have a 2013 base double cab 4x4 v6 4.0. I got new tires in March and everybn g started going to shit. Feels like I'm gonna slip out on the highway, steering loose as fuck, loud pulsating "rubbing" or vibrating sound over 50 mph. Feels like a fucking death trap. Mechanic replaced the rack and pinion but it actually got worse. I'm abit to do a whole front and rear suspension rebuild. Control arms and all.
My is 2005 and it does the same thing.
Thank you for your video
I’m going through the same thing with my 2016 tundra and it’s frustrating. I got mines parked until I figured this shit out🤦🏽♂️
Thanks for the video. Were you able to fix the vib on Tacoma?
I have a pretty serious wobble at highway speeds, but I also have 33s and a 3" lift on the truck.
A year or two ago a friend and i installed the ECGS bushing and it helped, but I still get an intermittent vibration at highway speeds sometimes.
Have you checked your steering shaft flex disc? It's at the base of the steering column it connects the intermediate shaft to the column. (Above the brake pedal) they are a sh!+ Design. Even if you can't see any physical cracks in the rubber there's a good chance it's going bad. The way I was able to identify mine was if you ever go through an intersection at a stoplight that is all squished and wavy from heavy trucks sitting there on a hot day. If your steering starts pulling in weird directions as you pass over that, it's the steering "rag joint" going bad. I'm looking into doing the flex disc/rag joint elimination mod. There are a couple diy how to videos on UA-cam on it.
I have groaning noise immediately after putting my 2 inch lift in. Changed out this bushing and problem is solved. Been good for months now
I didn't have any noise issues personally. Lifts do put a strain on multiple suspension components. That inner diff C/V needle bearing never stood a chance HaHa. 2 years have passed without any leaks or excessive movement, so I would say the ECGS kit is worth every penny!
Wiked video thanks ..2016 4runner started steering wobble with old tires on wear bars so got new ones and still wobbles, found it had a warped rotor due to seized piston on caliper thought for sure I got this and still wobbles!! I did notice excessive play at cv axle but most do so wasn't too concerned
Thank you
It comes down to four things. Make sure you have a good tire that has under 15lbs of road force, make sure you have plenty of pressure in each tire, make sure your lugs are torqued to the EXACT same torque, and make sure your tires are clear of any rocks. Our steering racks are EXTREMELY sensitive to imbalances, plain and simple.
The clamshell bushing greatly improved my vibration issue but I do agree with the lug nut torque and clearing stones from the tread also in addition making sure that the rim mating surface and rotor mating surface/hub are clean. My vibration has started to come back again. This time I found that the rack bushings are starting to go bad. My Tacoma only ha 80,000 miles! (currently on the truck). And the steelership categorize that as a wear item which would not be covered under manufacturer suspension and steering warranty. 🤬 I'm a mechanic by trade it's not like I can't do the job myself it's just the principal of the warranty and subpar manufacturing process in my opinion. My solution is replacing them with black polyurethane bushings and hope for the best.
@@bbracing3925 Update. I noticed my runner does this most in the morning and im pretty sure its temporary flat spots. I did an experiment where I put it up on jack stands overnight to keep the weight off the front tires. The next morning it drove as smooth as butter...I did a little research and I guess all AT tires that are also snow rated are built with a nylon cap that aids in cold weather traction. The problem is that nylon also likes to "Set" when it cools, thus forming a temporary flat spot. This flat spot isnt usually noticed on most cars but the 4runner is extra susceptable due to its sensitive steering rack.
@@jordanweimer5148 thIS . I think you nailed my problem. Winter tires.
Had had a 08 and just sold it with 312k on it, I just lived with vibrations I got to where I didn’t even notice them anymore, the truck was solid and lasted . I now have a 2019 and it has little vibrations here and there but it’s a truck not a caddy.
@@jordanweimer5148 I bought an 07 that had new General Grabber XT3's and it shook awfully in the mornings. They would flat spot very easily! Still have mild vibes but the rack bushings are very worn...truck will follow the road crown even if aligned (wheels may be aligned to one spot, but the rack will shift slightly and "straight" now points to the right).
Lifting the truck causes additional wear on the needle bearing, bring back to oem height and replace the bearing.
I am at OEM ride height, the clamshell bushing upgrade and replacing the steering intermediate shaft solved my issue. - at least 90% of the shaking.
Did you ever sort this out? I had vibrations under braking and think i solved it. I did rotors and pads (no fix), clamshell bushing (maybe some fix), changed bad ball joints, sway bar bushings, complete transmissions flush (no filter change), no steering rack bushing yet. But i feel i got rid of most of it with new upper ball joints and bushings.
I added your video to a playlist for Toyota maintenance, and I have another that may help. Its called the Transmission Shudder, something to do with the torque converter which someone may have mentioned in the comments of this video. Due to worn out torque converter or clutch pads inside the tranny. Try a drain and fill, and/or a tube of Lubegard ShudderFix. I did a complete flush like Timmy the Toolman did by detaching a hose from the radiator.
Man that's frustrating. I know with my Jeep sometimes you can try different tire pressures and a lot of the vibration will go away so you know on your Tacoma you should be able to run anything from about 27 lb to about 36 lb without any problems just try different pressures in that range and see what happens
My 5100 lift shook too. I just installed the 3” ome lift and my shake is gone, but it feels wobbly if i hit a dip just right
So I bought the ECG bearing. Paid a mechanic to put it in. He told me it was too small and put the needle bearing back in. $200. I haven’t dealt with it Yet but sometimes You go two steps back and one step forward.
I had no issues with mine. Im a mechanic by trade, it fit perfect for me.
Do you have a link or info of where you bought your ecs bushing kit? Thanks for the video!
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Thank you. I've had the same problem on my 2015 trd sport. I was ready to throw some money towards new brake rotors.
Wow interesting. I have 2017 4runner and have same issue. Although after going from 265 to 285 wide tire vibration is 80% less but I still get it. Do you happen to have the link of the site where I can get the bushing? Thanks great info!
Thats exactly what mine was doing too. Seemed to do it worst from 60 to 70mph. After that it would almost go away completely.
Hi there, Thank you so much for the info. I know you posted this about 3 years ago. Did you get it fixed?
I was able to get rid of 80% of the shake by doing the LF differential clamshell bushing conversion from ECGS. The other 20% I'm worried might be inherit torque converter shudder due to TCM programming. I believe according to the data on my scanner (Snap-On Solus Edge) the converter clutch is going into "lock up" at as low as 35-40 mph, lugging the engine down for improved MPG. At 60+ mph I see an erratic wave pattern coming from the converter clutch solenoid. ???? Also get an issue where sometimes it doesn't want to leave 4th and go to 5th so I have to slap the shifter from 4th to regular drive again to get it to shift. It's done this since I bought it. I've also talked to other Toyota owners and they have confirmed the same weird software glitch in the transmission. I regularly service my truck every 30,000 miles with a pan drop and new fluid and I never see any deposits or metal material in the trans pan.
I have a 2021 that does the same thing! Thanks for sharing!!
I love Toyota's I personally own 3. It's just sad to hear that they still have not corrected this issue. I have talked to toyota usa corporate engineers personally, and they said they would look into the matter, and this was 3 years ago that I had that conversation. Smh
@@bbracing3925 I also own a 2020 86 Hakone Edition, actually it’s my wife’s car. No issues at all. We love Toyota!
@@unitedstatesmarine5087 As a mechanic I learned early on to buy the cars I saw the least coming through my shop and Toyota's seem to only come in for maintenance normally,. i don't think i have ever had to do anything major on a Tacoma or 4 runner, in my 15 years as a mechanic. I also own A 92 Lexus Sc300 and a 91 Toyota pick up. Both are 5 speed manual, both have their original drivetrains, and both have almost 200,000 miles and still running great! I actually daily drive the Sc300 45mi each way to work.
Me too
same. mine's a 2021. it's not even lifted. 5 trips to the dealership and they treat me like i'm insane. jerks. they even said they put chassis ears on my truck and everything is normal. smh.
What are those lights on your dash? By the way, I couldn’t notice the shaking in the video.
Same here I didn't notice the vibration
This issue has been going on since the first gen Tacos.
If it is just the shake/vibration not a "death wobble" and it does not get worse or cause other issues then I'm not too worried about it. I will have to feel for it in my 4Runner.
Overtime it will cause bushings to wear out prematurely in the lower strut bushing & CV axle seals (personal experience). it will also cause cupping in the tires. all of those things together over time get expensive when you have to do it over and over, compared to the $70 ECS bushing kit. Im not affiliated with ECS in any way, just in personal experience, the kit fixed my issue that the dealer wouldn't even acknowledge, because they don't want to do it at warranty labor rates. I know their game. Im a mechanic by trade, I deal with warranty companies all the time. It is always in their best interest to not acknowledge an issue or find a way to blame the customer to get out of having to fix the issue on their dime.
Trust me, it’s not tolerable unless you plan to permanently keep the truck under 50mph
Hey fellas. Just got a 22 Tacoma and unfortunately I’m getting the death wobble above 65mph. Got the tires balanced and didn’t fix. It’s disheartening that I’m dealing with this on a brand new truck and the dealer is just going to play dumb about this
@@natertots17 Same, dealer just said "oh a 4 wheel alignment will fix it" and $150 later I got no fix and the wheels were already aligned. It's hard to find a mechanic that cares.
It honestly sounded more like it was a tooth or a few teeth off on the driveshaft slip joint. It probably was put back into phase when it was taken off and put back on
Dealt with this same exact thing and the dealership was an absolute nightmare to deal with.
As a mechanic, people always ask me, "why don't you go and work for a dealership, you will make more money." and I always tell them the same thing, "because I have a soul & morals."
been to the dealership 5 times for this issue and they treat me like a crazy person. still under warranty....guess i won't be buying another toyota. it's gotten so bad i think it's starting to bind and feels like something is dragging. transmission got up to 220 degrees the other day which is unusual for an empty load.
lmfao stumbled upon your video and you live in my town.
i have a 2019 Tundra TRD SPORT, same issues.... Have visited a few dealers and they have given me the same story they have you... Still searching for the problem, cause according to them, i am the only one with that problem.
I ended up taking it into my own hands. As a career mechanic I found the issue pretty quick, I even told them which (part) was the culprit and how to recreate the condition on a vehicle lift. I just didn't want to do it on my own time & dime, especially knowing it is a warranty covered repair. It should be a recall due to the vehicle becoming unstable at highway speeds and possible loss of traction on a steering/driven wheel on an already top heavy vehicle. 😓 I fixed it by installing a clamshell bushing kit from ECGS, they supply the tool to remove the old seal, the clamshell bushing and a new LF O.E.M. toyota cv axle seal. The whole job took roughly 2 hours of my life that ill never get back. 🥲
I have a 2007 Tacoma 2wd auto and get a wheel shake around 60mph and up. I don't hear any clunks or notice anything else and it just started happening I have a 1" lift
Were you able to fix it? I have a 3” lift with BF goodrich. I went and got an alignment and they balanced one tire and it just threw everything off. My truck drives like crap now. Going 65-80 my whole passenger seat looks like its gonna fly out the window. Any ideas?
Hey @B&B Racing, I came back to your video to re read your comment you sent back to me, so glad im reading this again. BTW, wheel shake is gone on my truck. Once I had my tires balanced again, fixed. Just in case to, I had a front end alignment done as well. Come to find out, my ball joints had play in them. I did all this when my truck had roughly 180k. Drives like new now. However, re reading your comment, your hitting the nail in the head on something else I am having issues with now. Your right about these trucks being in overdrive at 35mph. Stupid part is, its at like 1,100rpm. So stupid. and here lately, im behind a lot of slow pokes. Every once and awhile, ill run into someone doing 35mph up a hill. And im guessing whats happening is my converter is locking. Im thinking after reading tacoma world and re reading your comment, whats happening is the ecu is commanding the converter to lock. And when it does, it shakes my truck so bad, its like im driving a manual in a parking lot in 3rd gear at 5mph. And not all the time does it do this. Every once and awhile. and when it does shake that bad, its always at 35. Now, all the time , I will feel my truck when im doing roughly 35-40 it will vibrate some and when I hit the gas more, it will downshift and boom, vibration gone. I took your advice and I drove my truck today in 4th, it was so happy at those low speeds. Does this sound right to you or do you think its something else? I just put brand new spark plugs in it. I made sure to go to toyota and buy the oem denso plugs. Also, I made sure to clean my throttle body with the crc throttle body cleaner and the maf sensor with the crc maf cleaner.
It should’ve had at least a 6 sp transmission for one thing. They all gear hunt at certain speeds bc the ratios are too far apart… needs an intermediate gear. I’m installing the pedal commander tmrw, alot of ppl swear it gets rid of that by the extra ecu controlling the throttle instead of the stock ecu.
@RSL good to know. I'm not a mechanic by any means. I just understand how a lot of things work. I had someone drive my truck and they think its missing. Makes sense what the person told me. Since it's vibrated hard only a hand full of times, I didn't think about this. Sometimes, before a coil completely goes bad. Sometimes, it takes certain speed, rpm, load to make it miss. And I think that is it because when I pulled the plugs, it was denso on the passenger and ngk on the driver's bank. Big indication these have never been pulled. I read that on tacoma world and I thought that guy was joking. And I did this at 180k miles. The people that had it before me just had the motto if it aint broke, dont fix it. So, my gap when I pulled them was .040in out of spec. So, since of that, I'm thinking it took a toll on the packs. I just bought 6 denso coil packs. I'm going to try that and see what happens. If that doesn't take care of it. I was going to consider to have kdmax tune my truck. I got on summit racing and ordered all 6 denso packs for $45. The oem toyota ones are 110 and denso makes them 😂😂😂😂😂. So, if that's the case, I should be able to bolt them up and life is good. But if that doesn't solve it, I will strongly think about having kdmax tune my truck. However, I just looked at the pedal comannnder. That would be awesome. Buy a device and be done with it. Let me know how you like it.
@nathancaudill7683 did the plugs and coil packs fix this issue for you? I’ve done everything but this and my truck still wants to shudder when going into overdrive.
@Noah It seems to run smoother. So, I must have had a slight miss and from time to time it would vibrate horribly. Then again, I've only had this truck for 7months. I bought it with 176k on it. The others that had it never changed the spark plugs. Mine began to miss so I fixed it immediately. Then, i figured might as well put coils in it and see if that helps since i figured it worked the coils harder. And high load and low rpm in overdrive was making it do that. I checked the gap on the ones i pulled, they were at least .030in off from spec. But still, it does that around 35-40. I know dang well it's not a shutter because it only does this at that speed and in overdrive. Now if it was doing this at wide ranges of speed, then I know it would be a shutter. Other than that, this transmission operates beautifully. But sadly, it did not fix it. It still does it. I payed more attention to when mine does it. The only time it will vibrate is if your going up even a slight incline at those speeds in overdrive. If your on completely flat ground at 35-40mph in overdrive, it won't do it, so, what @RSL said, I can see why he's saying that. But really, it's not the transmissions fault. Its a beautiful trans for this truck. It's toyotas end because they have it set to make it be in overdrive at that speed. And naturally, if your behind a slow poke at those speeds, and you cant give enough throttle input to make it downshift going up a slight incline, then it will vibrate. Ive personally learned to live with it. What i have started doing is letting up off the pedal, let it slow down less than 35. As soon as it does, give it the amount of gas you need and it will downshift. But if you have a tuner tune it, they will change the shift points. Also, I will tell you something that helped me to, I forgot to mention this. I got to talk to a guy who used to be a master tech at my local toyota dealer. Hes a honest guy. So, i know hes not lying to me. This really helped my truck. He said these learn how you drive. So, what I would do is disconnect your ground cable. They say to let it sit for up to 10min. Personally, if it were me, I would let it sit with the ground cable off for a hr. Put it back on. It may drive funny since it lost all your driving habits. But drive the truck exactly how you drive it. And if your like me and like to get into the pedal, it seemed to be more responsive in downshifts.
need to replace with a oem steering rack
I haven't had any issues with the rack, the ecs bushing took care of the shaking at 60mph.
Installed the ECGS bushing. No change. Still shakes.
Have you found any solution for this issue?
@@alexr8855 , not really, although I got my tires balanced for about the 9th time a few weeks ago and it hasn’t shook since. Tire pressure is at 28lbs.
Try changing the lug nut to lig centric nut. They worked for me
@@user-cj1gg8rg9wwhere do you get those at?
I have a 2020 tacoma that started getting vibration in rear right side
I even installed new tires having balanced twice and still the vibration persist and it's driving me nuts
Any idea? Will be appreciated
Thanks for the info. About to get a 2021 4runner so thats very helpful. Let's just hope it has been resolved. I heard Faye talk about a tsb for that. Difference was, it on applied to certain 19-20 rav4 awd and toyota called it a buzz.
Might or might not be the same.
Oops never mind. I see that you responded to someone else’s with the link. Thanks again!
I have a brand new 4runner 2021 and this has been happening since day one the heck I just took my tire off because I got a screw in it and the whole inside of the tires is bald and the outer treads not. what the hell man? I have my tires rotated every 5000 miles it's only been 30,000 miles it shouldn't be this messed up
Help. I have a tacoma 2009 4x2, I have vibrations only using D drive over drive. The vibrstion start when are shift to 3 - 4 and 4 - over drive.
I get that issue with my 275 65 r17s
I resolved the issue with the LF inner cv axle (bushing) upgrade. They originally come with a sloppy pos needle bearing. 25,000 miles later, and no issues or leaks.
But like I say in the video the dealership would not recognize the problem or warranty it so I took it upon myself to fix the problem it wasn't too hard of a job for me, I'm on mechanic by tradeBut like I say in the video the dealership would not recognize the problem or warranty it, so I took it upon myself to fix the problem. It wasn't too hard of a job for me, I'm a mechanic by trade. I also am running the same size tires, But I upgraded my rims to the newest generation 4runner TRD pro rims.
Thanks for the video, but you are saying that it is happening on 4x4, when it is also happening on 2wd Tacomas. Mine is an 06 2wd and I’ve done the bakes twice and had inspected the bearings inspected since it started so I’m going with the suspension.
For a 2wd, I would have your rack bushings checked. Also check the driveshaft mid support bearing/bushing.
@@bbracing3925 the rack bushings is something I should check since it’s connected to the steering column and wheel. I don’t have vibration while accelerating just during braking at highway speeds. So I don’t believe it’s drive shaft related.
2020 SR5 Tacoma and does the same. 3 set of tires and 2 sets of rims and the dealer keeps saying its a wheel/tire issue. Had it road forced, aligned, ect. NO CHANGE. One service manager even said the Tacoma's are kind of "hoppy". I only have 18,000 miles on my truck. 👉🏾😒
Did you get it fixed
@@TheMffd26 No Sir. After several visits and my own trouble shooting I gave up. Ended up buying a Colorado Zr2. 🤙🏾
Dang I hate that.
@@anthonyjopse9231 Are you happy with it? The ZR2?
@@mikealfieri641 20,000 miles so far with zero issues. Cant say I have anything to complain about it.
They do get paid the same door rate a customer pays for warranty work. I worked at toy dealer for 8 years. Alot of the issues is techs have no idea how to diagnose these issues . Because that bearing is certainly under power train warranty. They have a NVH diagnostic tool but no one uses it. Also a go pro is a immensely important tool . Again no one uses them. You need to find a good tech
Thanks for the correction on warranty labor. I agree that it takes a good tech thats experienced and loves the job enough to actually do the research into the customers complaint. In the end as a mechanic I did just that, but unfortunately on my own time/dime.
Sir I just had Bilstein 5100 front shocks and 265/70R17 Falken tires installed. I noticed a very mild steering wheel shake on the freeway 60MPH. Just wondering how bad is the vibration that you were feeling and if mine is just the road, balancing issue or the issue you had. My Tacoma is a 2012 TRD Sport 4x4. Thank you.
You may need to do the ECGS clamshell bushing upgrade on the left side of your front differential. I did it to mine 2 years ago and it took away 90% of the shake at 60-70mph. That last 10% is just the nature of trucks I suppose.
Have the same problem on my 2014.
Does the shake go away when you turn on your 4 WD CAUSE MINE IS LIKE A STRONG VIBRATION AND TOYOTA DOESNT KNOW WHAT IT IS. The guy from east coast bearing says it’s not my needle bearings. Thoughts ?
I would have your front CV axles and front drive shaft checked for balance. I have seen with CV shafts that they can develop rust scale under the boots or in the middle of the axle at the "vibration dampening bushing", that can cause an imbalance. With the drive shaft you could have a universal joint starting to seize up and similar with the CV joints in the axles if they have lost their grease out of the boots. "Possibly caused by the rust scale breaking away from under the cv boot.
Mine does not shake in 4×4 that I can recall. I rarely need to use it lately haha.
I had strong vibration after a tire swap to 275/70/R17 BFG KO2s - 3 visits to the shop and 2 road force balances later the vibration was at a minimal and acceptable level, but before the balance it was a violent at freeway speeds. However after switching back to 265/70/17 nitto terra grapplers I still have wobble, much less than the KO2s but it may be the needle nose bearing that needs replaced for me at this point after using those heavy hard to balance KO2’s. Leo, have you switched tires recently? I ask because strong vibration to me sounds like your issue is not the bearing.
Hi i purchase a truck 2020 Tacoma brown new wiht 3 km and I facing the same vibration from day one and I still got vibration I bought them from Burlinton Toyota in Canada
Have the driveshafts checked for balance. But you mentioned you are from Canada, have you put your Tacoma through a good thawing? Ice chunks can knock weights off easily, and ice/snow freezing to the rim. It only takes a few ounces of weight. 🥶
I have a 2012 Tacoma and a few months ago I heard and felt a growl and a strong vibration. I thought a bearing was going bad so I took it to a shop and they couldn’t find anything. I’m still driving it and I feel a vibration in the wheel sometimes. Truck only has 57k on the clock. I’ll have to fix it myself if Toyota will only put the same needle bearings in it.
At what mph.? I have an identical situation - 2012 Tacoma 57,500 miles. Perfectly kept - one driver only. Mine is a rumble strip feel at 1rst to 2nd gear (about 20-30 mph.) if I do a slow acceleration (say, an old man's-type of driving 😄). A bit faster rpm will not reproduce it (or, maybe it overrides it?) It began occurring within the last year. Dealership can't really figure it out, either. It's beginning to obsess me a bit, because I can't get to the bottom of it. Otherwise, the truck's perfect - I love it - absolutely no other real problems.
@@wm631 i have a 2008 2W V6 Tacoma and i’m having the same issue, no check engine light either
@@Adrian-vq2mp Going to 2nd gear?
@@wm631 it just happens randomly, i’m guessing it’s gonna be the U joint
@@wm631 just changed the sparkplugs just incase
Ive got a 2wd 2.7 double cab and I have the "typical" driveline vibration when slowing down. Feels like rumble or wake-up strips on a hiway. But now Ive got a vibration starting at 35-40. The frequency is pretty high. You cant see the steering wheel shaking but you can sure feel it, also in the floor and through the seat. Once I get past 60, the frequency gets so high you cant feel it. Carrier bearing?
Did you find a fix?
@@qdigital5012 Went and had all 3 ujoints and the carrier replaced. 90% of the vibration is gone. I think what Im feeling now is the road and maybe tires. The "typical" Tacoma vibration when slowing down has happened but not near as frequent, and not as bad when it does. Ive felt it like a handful of times since the repair.
My 2020 shakes when I’m at red lights or stopped and I don’t know what it is 😕
My 2017 Tacoma TRD Sport does this. I work as a tire tech and I decided to balance my wheels during my lunch break. Did all four tires and installed them back on. Driving way better but it still has a shit ton of shaking at 65-75 mph. I don’t know what’s wrong with the thing at this point.
Look into the kit for upgrading the left front CV axle/differential carrier needle bearing to the tighter fitting clamshell bushing from ECGS. I'm not sponsored by them or have any affiliation with them I personally did it on my Tacoma and it reduced the 60 to 65 mph vibration by about 80% at least and it's a relatively cheap upgrade and I've had no issues or leaks in the two and a half years since doing the upgrade. Another potential culprit for the vibration im finding with tacomas and 4runners, they're steering rack bushings are not as robust as they should be for a medium-sized truck, and they wear out prematurely. I noticed my vibration started to come back. They are a bit difficult to get a visual look at due to their location in the truck, but I found that my bushings were in pretty bad shape at only 80,000 mi.
Hub centric rings
@@daler7026 wait so you think it’s a hub issue? I’ve lifted the truck on all fours and shook all of the tires and none want to budge at all
I sale tacos azada cabeza carnitas that’s going to help with the shaking 😂😂good luck y’all
This a well known issue, I have a 2020 4Runner which does the same thing.
I have the same problem. This pisses me off. Toyota told me to spend $4k and replace my full front suspension. Eff them
The ECGS bushing kit has been holding up 100% and 95% of the shake stopped. Unfortunately I did it on my own time and dime, but at least I'm not doing further damage to other connected parts. (ball joints, bushings, shocks, tires etc.)
Please what is Does ECGS stand for? I have A RWD.
Seems like the bearing you’re suggesting is not for 4WD 4Runners.
I have a 2019 Tacoma sr5 6 inch lift 35 wheels and it has the death wobble anyone knows if it really is the suspension or anything else?
I think this is my problem. Exactly as you describe.
09 does it too:(
Is it only the driver side that needs to get replaced or is it both side
Yes so far, I have only noticed this issue in the LF. Also if you have a Tacoma, they have a tendency for the brake drum balance weight to fly off. It's easy enough to check. The weight is facing out, it's spot welded to the drum. Over time, corrosion tends to pop them off. This can cause a noticable vibration at 60+ mph as well. Hope this helps.
Oh ok I'll check on that to,thanks bud🙏this helps alot
How do I go about get the part to fix my Tacoma it's a 2017 an it starts shaking ai 65 with me tires
eastcoastgearsupply.com/i-8536125-toyota-8-clamshell-bushing-eliminates-needle-bearing.html
My 2016 tundra does the same shit!
4runners needs to be balanced with a Haweka adaptor.
Just seeing this comment, my apologies. What are you referring to (part needing balanced) and what is the (Haweka adapter) - a part or a tool? I'm unfamiliar with this.
@@bbracing3925 Yes, it is a SST, special service tool and needs to be used on 4runners. you can google it. no one seems to have it where I live.... the service tech is to attach it to the wheel of said vehicle and mounted onto the balancing machine and it somehow balances true...
@@dundeeecroc I have to look into that. 👍 I know another trouble area for the shaking issue is in our steering mid shaft rag joint. They are a s*** design from the factory and there is a way to eliminate it completely.
@@bbracing3925 Sorry to hear! I hope you can remedy the situation. I currently daily drive my 1985 4runner SR5 5 speed on 35's with 5:29 gearing and has the 22re . no issues.
@@bbracing3925 Also, I owned 3 Tacomas all 4x4's TRD pros and I replaced all of them with Powerstop Ceramic rotors and pads kit, eliminated everything. also check wheel and tire balance.
So where’s the fix video?
Did you get it fixed
Yeah I upgraded the LF inner cv axle needle bearing to the ECG bushing kit. Its not too bad of a job, but im also a mechanic. There are a bunch of install videos for the bushing kit
I believe it has to do with the balancing machines not being properly calibrated and technicians balancing everything lug centrically.
The 4Runner and Tacoma wheels have to be balanced hub centrically.
I had same problem with my 2007 4Runner, finally went to a shop that knew how to balance tires hub centrically and never had problem again.
What's the name of the shop that you go to?
I have the same problem
Have you ruled out the typical culprits, like a wheel balance, warped rotors, etc.? - keep in mind we do not have floating calipers. Servicing the pad slider/retainer pins tend to need regreased about once a year to help limit any minor vibrations from inevitable warpage that occurs over time. This has been a minor contributor in my 60-70 mph vibration experience with mine and others I have diagnosed & repaired. If you have not done the -ECGS -LF inner c/v axle (Diff) clamshell bushing upgrade, I recommend getting it done. It definitely took away like 80-90% of my vibration. ECGS does not sponsor me in any way shape or form, I just find their kit to be top notch as far as quality. They include a new Toyota Oem axle seal, their upgraded bushing, and a perfect fit extraction tool for the bearing. As a mechanic that speaks for itself.
Did you got it fix?
Same thing with my 2020 tacoma SR5 I changed my tiersand my i change the suspension still the same crap and I will never buy a toyota again . This is definitely a lemon 🍋 law issue...
The cv axle inner bearing swap to the ecg bushing took care of the issue for me. The dealer wanted nothing to do with it, so I did the job myself. - (I am a certified auto mechanic). Not the worst job to do but not exactly a simple job either.
Still happening with my 2022...I'm pissed
Check your left front axle inner bearing "at the differential" the stock needle bearing is junk an developes a wobble "especially at moderate/high speeds". Also check your intermediate steering shaft, they go bad under 50,000 miles, sometimes even less. Toyota also refuses to recall this issue or even acknowledge the problem. 😡 And you know....... steering shafts aren't that big of a deal right??? 🤦
@B&B Racing I just hit 1000 miles, so I bet it's bearings. I was livid until I saw this and other videos. Thanks a lot, man...
@@bbracing3925 Update...it was warped stock tires. Basically oblong. Dealer is getting me new tires....whew.
@@RayW.... Was that the problem?
21 trd sport...same thing. I was thinking about getting rid of it bc of this
Definitely look into the - ECGS clamshell bushing kit and tool. It fixed my tacomas shaking. In the video of course it didn't shake as much as it normally did. But it was 100% worth the time and money. Im not affiliated with them in any way, just personal satisfaction with their kit.
Had my 2020 off road 19000 miles start doing it today. Anything over 50mph it shakes ridiculously. Just had my tires rotated but there’s no way a tire rotation can cause that much shaking. I’m pissed dude
My 2014 Nissan frontier has that same problem, where the steering wheel shakes and the passenger seat with shake a little bit at 70 mph. well I got new wheels and tires and it shakes but it even shook with my original wheels and tires that came on the truck I took it to get it aligned. and it still did it but not as bad every time I took in the tires to get a rebalance they kept saying oh yeah the weights were off and then I took it in again and they said yes the weights were off a little bit again. but I’m like I just got them rebalance like three times and every time I go in there it was always something different and it never ended it was always off every time I took it in but it never fix the problem now this isn’t a Nissan dealership this was a local tire shop that was trusted. and it’s still shakes and I can’t figure out what the problem is. They told me it could be the tires because Cooper at3 have problems with out around but other people are like my tires don’t do that they’re coopers too.
Although it's not a Tacoma I know the frontier is very similar in suspension geometry. First thing you want to check is if there is any play in your left front inner CV joint where the axle goes into the differential I'm not sure if this is a problem area for the frontier or not. Next I would check your steering shaft and rag joint. After that I would check your rack-and-pinion support bushings.
These dealerships are worthless. My 2019 4runner does this as well. Dealership just says it's the rugged tires. Toyota should know better.
Don’t think they make one for a 4Runner. I’ve looked.
I have the same problem nothing helps
it's you're steering rack, toyota is know for this
What are the symptoms? Mine sounds like a freight train is beside me starting around 55-60 then continues up to 75-80 mph? But the steering doesn’t shake. Thoughts?
@@leocaballero6984 did you figure out? I have the exact same issues as you. Highway speeds 70-80 vibrates a lot. Passenger seat shakes so much almost looks like its gonna fly out the window.
@@Lexibeez8907 let me ask you a question before I tell you what I did. Do you have a Prinston style roof rack?
So is the Tacoma crap then?
Given the current lineup of the truck market & prices, I would have to say the opposite. It's the dealerships that are the issue. Doesn't matter what brand, I just expected better with Toyota. This issue goes much deeper than my Tacoma's past issue.
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I have a 2015 Tacoma they told me brakes need replaced. still shakes.
Been there too! 😪
Just get KM3’s and you won’t be bother by anything. Since the tire is already loud and beefy everything else gets muted out. 😂. Trust me 2 plus years in. Stock TRD PRO rims with 285/70/17
Hello is this problem on 4×4 only?
I would assume so, given the nature of the of the issue. Always rule out the tires, steering components, alignment, and shock absorbers first.
Mines a 2021 not a 4x4 and same issue
Ford is doing much worse IMO; plastic oil pans on a $50,000 sports car or a $75,000 pick up truck is unacceptable or should I say straight up BS.
Toyota reliability is gradually disappearing.
The truth is the rack and pinion is a weak cheap rack and pinion
I made a video of the install
Toyota needle bearing swap to ECGS clamshell
ua-cam.com/video/Pp-5wcnpLJE/v-deo.html
Or maybe it's the stupid road 🤷
If only that was the case. 😅