Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer vs BMW R1250 GS TE: Ex- police rider shares his views
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Hey Everyone,
Ageeessssss back (if the Jubilee flags and the blonde hair didn't already give that away!), I borrowed a Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer.
Of course one of the first things I wanted to do was go and show pops!
In this vlog, Usernamedad shares his first impressions of the Tiger 1200 GT Explorer!
I hope you enjoy it!
Usernamekate 🏁
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Having owned a couple of GS including the 1250 GSA, for me the tiger is a better option. Really didn’t like the lack of feedback thru the bars that come with the front damper on the GS. It’s the Triumph for me 😊
i had a r1250 gsa hp and rode the new 1200 triumph they have fixed a lot of what was wrong with the old bike i.e heat from engine, weight 45lbs lighter, and a bit more powerful, its a better bike than a bmw the trumpet gearbox is so much nicer to use than the bm, the bm when coming up behind lorries on the m\way is affected by dirty air it can get in to a gentle weave and no theres nothing wrong it, my 1200 triumph had it three years never did this.all the road test experts cannot give an opinion on the headlight because they go home before it gets dark. i really cant get excited about hill hold but thats just me.
Great vid with dad 🤓😎🏍💨💨💨💨💨👍🏻🇨🇦🥂
To me Triumph and Bmw are both almost the same in features..but Triumph is for Presidents and Prime Ministers..Bmw is for Kings..
Your dads GS to me looks physically bigger
I think both bikes are more than capable for the average rider , looks and features are very similar, so it does come down to manufacturers preference, would have to be the tiger for me , great vlog guys 👍🏻
Made in Thailand vs Made in Germany.
Definitely Germany
@@ekimandersom4478 just because they are made in Germany doesn't stop them having issues 🤦🏼♂️
@@dalewintle9969 Oh most certainly not, probably more issues than the Triumph.
But i prefer to spend my money in my own country, better for our economy.
Love love love you and your dad in these videos.
Now, which bike? I am not a died in the wool anything. For me it's all about the shop. I used to ride BMW's but changed to triumph because the shop offered more services. Any one that ask what I think about a particular bike they are interested in I will ask what the shop offers.
I don't think anyone is building a bad bike now days.
I’m loving the ego-free relaxed delivery by you both. It’s refreshing, informative and slightly addictive to listen to you talking sense without “ladspeak “.. Thank you
Username Dad's spot on . The BMW GS TE is a work of art. If I had the space I'd have one in my living room just to look at. (funny thing is I'm not even joking)
Great episode , more like this please.
I know opinions vary but just think they are both such ugly bikes
@@nigel274 I hear that , but beauty is in the eye of ......
@@nigel274 Have to agree. Scaffolding with wheels springs to mind!
@@VRFlightSimGuy like Iron Bru....built from girders 🤗
If I had to chose between the two bikes I would take the daughter.
I have ridden both and ultimately purchased the Triumph. I know the stated power numbers of both bikes but the triumph just feels like it has alot more. Also the Truimph has 10,000 mi service intervals to the BMW's 6,000 mi.
I prefer the Triumph. I think the quality would be better. I have seen a few fairly new GS's with light surface rust on those rear frame bars - but then I am a triumph man at heart (current Triumph Thruxton R) even though I also have a 2021 BMW S1000RR m package. Also ex biker cop (Ireland). Ah the police credit unions are a godsend when it comes to getting some toys.
I’m with dad on this the beemer just beats it. The boxer is just a wonderful bit of engineering and it’s low down cog is the way forward with these tall heavy bikes.
So good to see Usernamedad again. I did wonder if I might regret watching this video, as I've had 3 x Tigers over the last few years, and test rode the new model but didn't like the new engine. I decided to see what all the fuss was about surrounding the GS. Long story short, I ordered a GS TE yesterday!
Great to see your your Dad out Kate. I also have a 1250 gs 22 model,fully loaded. I really think the Triumph have made a great bike for the price, but I also prefer the Gs , for the telelever suspension and glorious 143NM of torque.It’s a bike you can leave in six gear going slowly and an overtake just roll the throttle on and your passed. I have had a Triumph Tiger 1050, and the engine and handling was also excellent .Great blog Kate🏍🇸🇪🙏❤️👍
After riding both bike's for day's the choice was easy for me. The GS is an old slow and heavy bike. The Triumph is so much more fun to ride! And the seat on the Triumph is the best seat i ever had. For me its all about the feeling when riding a motorcycle and in my opinion the Tiger is way better than the GS on every level 🙏👍😃
I'll go for the Triumph Tiger 1200 GT Explorer anytime, love the look and functionality! By the way, great interaction with your dad!!!
Love your dad and his views Kate, I found the blind spot mirrors detection good on my Swiss trip on motorways, wish more bikes have them tourers anyway. Found the seat very comfy, but as I told you I’ve never ridden a GS, gonna have to change that 😂 I loved the 30lt tank and got 360 miles on a tank. To only fill up 6.5 times to Switzerland and back was a breeze. Suspension was great just having auto preload and being able to soften or harden on the fly. Great vid 👍
Kate
I own the only GT Explorer in the USA right now. The Triumps weighs less, has more HP and doesn't have the wide boxer engine in the way. Triumph Tiger GT Explorer ALL day!!! I'm loving it!!!
Another awesome video. Definitely keep this up. 50K will be here shortly then so will 100k subs. The is real content and real opinions. Top class.
Thanks for the upload, love it.
Thanks for this informative overview most helpful. I currently run the previous generation Tiger and now looking to replace it. The Tiger GT Pro is the more equivalent spec to the GS TE and is around 2.5k cheaper? anyway having recently test rode both I have became very indecisive…….big dilemma 😢
I think you would struggle to find much between them in terms of performance and features; other than the gearbox and quickshift which are miles better on the Triumph.
Lady your father really loves you indeed
My friend went on a testride on the Triumph and he says it's good bike but the GS steering was for him far beter...
And the Triumph dealer heard it befor when he pionted that out.
But if you do not come off a GS it's no problem..
I like the shape off the Triumph...beautifull bike.
Triumph for me….
I had both the BMW and Triumph on a test ride along with other adventure bikes before buying the Triumph in 2013 and the bike has been faultless and is still a pleasure to ride even now.
GS it is after all the best bike in the World 😉
If the GS didn't exist then the Triumph would be the one to have, but if the GS didn't exist then the Triumph would not exist ether.
Great informative review, and the only one I can see that mentions the manual screen adjustment. My current FJR screen is electronic. I am test riding the Tiger GT Explorer this week and will prepare the FJR for sale. It's too heavy and difficult to maneuver for me know as I broke both my arms last year making them weaker, better brakes on the Tiger too. The GS is a little under-powered for me and I'm not keen on the boxer engine. Thanks Kate.
Twins are better engines for adventure bikes. You probably know already, but the radar is in the black box above the rear light.
Nothing like the GS!! Love the seat netting on the GS!!
Researching a GS as the next bike and loved this relaxed chat on it. I guess it is subjective at the end of the day, but not being a huge bloke, I think the GS makes so much more sense with the lower weight profile.
hello good afternoon Kate 👋 I like your father despite the novelty 😃 I prefer BMW for its reliability that Triumph does not have that cordial greetings
What a quality review, genuine people, thanks very much for your video. 👍👍👍👍👍
I have a 2016 GSA and I want to upgrade. I’m really considering this Tiger over the 1250GS. I love the boxer engines but I want to try something else. Great video 💪🏻
"Was kost denn das?" Great. And I vote for the Triumph. Greetings from Germany.
The Tiger is the bike I'm currently considering for long distance touring and light-duty off roading, such as fire lanes. To me, it has a more comfortable riding position and it has longer range due to its better fuel efficiency and its 30L tank. The heated seat and grips are nice because the trip I'm planning has a considerable elevation change and I'll be riding through the high dessert (US) at a time where it's still pretty cool. Add in the rider aids and you have a beast of a touring bike.
I went to a shop to look at a Ducati, and my wife said, "please try that Triumph 1200 GT Pro." I did and wow was I impressed, came home with it. Absolutely love this bike, it is a 23, it was used with less than 5k miles, out the door was around 14k USD. The Triumph 1200's are really a smoking deal used. Everyone wants the GS, which is good don't get me wrong, but it really helps us used bike purchasers.
Whatever don't have an old tech, old looking, aeroplane made, bulky boxer engine. BMW make a GS without a boxer and I'll the first to buy it, because all but the motor are the best out there. Well, let me paraphrase that last sentence: used to be the best out there, because BMW is having a bad reliability time nowadays (cough, cough, 1300GS, cough)
Every Dad’s dream daughter lol. My mate who’s 45 his 18 year old just started riding needles to say it seems like her 125 gets more interest than our big bikes do 😂. GS 🤤 for me
Awesome video Kate! I hope you are feeling much better! Your fathers perspective is always appreciated. Please thank him for his service for me. My father was military as well. To me it comes down to a couple of things, first the engine. The triple does have a lovely sound. The boxer is iconic to many. I purchased my GS primarily because the dealer is only a fifteen minute ride. And it is an awesome dealership. The triumph dealer is over an hour away. I can’t say enough about my bike. I just about have her customized the way I want her. I rode 233 miles yesterday and 228 today. The Fall colors are amazing this time of year. I wish I could ride again tomorrow. Advice I would give is to take everything into consideration. I do not feel you could go wrong either way. Best!
What a great real world comparison and perspective 👍👍. Is usernamedad going to take it out for a ride ? Mic him up and swap bikes.
I love the boxer engine, but think the triple is a beautiful configuration that has more torque than a Japanese 4 cyl engine, but delivers good power very smoothly. 3, 6, 12 cylinder engines are naturally extra smooth because they need no crank balancing due to the position of the pistons always in balance with each other throughout their cycle. I owned a Speed Triple for a number of years and loved the power delivery beating every Japanese bike off the mark with the extra low down torque.
Put a boxer engine, and a tele-lever on the Triumph, and I will consider it.
Just get a GS Jim 🤣
@@UsernameKate I, in fact, have a 2022 R1250GS Rallye with every available option, and I adore it Ms. Username.
I bought a brand new 1250GS Ralley only to return it 3 weeks and 2500 kilometer later. It’s a very unsophisticated bike. The gearbox and quick shifter are like stirring in a bucket of rusty nails, the ESA is nothing special compared to the Showa semi-active suspension found on Honda, Triumph and Kawasaki. And you don’t get any normal feedback from the bike.
Yes, it goes very well trough corners. If you can’t ride a bike properly but you want to go fast anyway, buy a GS! And of course, if you’re a middle aged white man with a beer belly you should buy one as well.
After leaking brake pads and 1 serious engine failure that left me stranded I had enough of it. Back to the dealer with the GS and off to buy a proper bike!
Hi
I’m actually just in the process of changing my bonnie T120 black for a tourer.
And these are the two bikes I’m considering and I’m like your dad twin for grunt and low down weight does it for me.
But think i knee a test drive in both first.
my problem is 29” inside leg and i know theGS low frame I’m flat footed and that makes a big difference.
I will let you know how i get on
Thanks for the content 🏍️🏍️🏍️
Nobody talks about reliability and long term support. BMW will support any model motorcycle so long as you will buy the parts needed. Triumph refuses to support bikes older than the mandated 10 years. BMW boxer engines have a track record for remaining reliable for hundreds of thousands of miles. Triumphs don’t. The new 1200 is an unknown, as far as reliability. But if you keep it long enough to find out, Triumph may no longer support the bike when it is time to replace something worn out. I still really like the bike. In fact I wanted to purchase one. But after continuing to think it over, I’ll be purchasing the less exciting, and in my opinion uglier GSA. I hope I am proven wrong about everything I’ve stated above. Then the Tiger can become an option for me in the future, unlike KTMs and Ducatis…
Pointless exercise when "dad" can't see further than his BMW... totally biased. I've ridden a brand new 1250GS & I wasn't impressed with the lack of feedback from the front end & there's no front movement under braking. Not a fan at all.
Your dad is cool. But I guess you knew that already. :)
As for which bike ......BMW all the way!
What is the out of the box warranty on that Tiger?
Cheers!
Had 17 gs's inc 1250 triple black adventure , bought the big Triumph after a back to back test ride ! By by Bmw the Triumph for me is a big step on .
As you know Kate, yes the Triumph looks great, but I still love my 1250GSA.
Kate if you see this , when for the love of god are they going to put the TFT from the RT on the GSA ? can you find out ? I might call over to Eng and buy one from you , How are motorbike company still not putting , sat Nav on one screen ? Vars have had tis for 10+ yrs .
Totally enjoy the “User Name Kate & User Name Dad” videos. I’m with the “Dad” preference of a GSA. Let’s give a round of applause to “Kate” for vloging a superb video on this interesting comparison. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏/ out of 10 👍🏼
All Triumph does is copy the GS- they look almost identical- for that reason alone I wouldn’t buy the Triumph!
At this point, it's a Chevy vs Ford argument. All of the bikes are really good at what they do so you have nit-pick to find things to complain about on all of them. I'm on team GSA because it just feels good when I ride it. I don't hold anything against the competitors.
Both great bikes ,it’s definitely the GS for me as I have a triple black , I get the impression triumph is copying BMW looking at the two bikes can’t beat a GS !
Triumph all day long better looking better value for money and I find BMW gearbox to agricultural.
Since my first comment i have run my gsa for 7 months and i see its flaws i have watched many tiger reviews and it appears triumph have moved on and now producing better products and 10k service intervals compared to 6k however triumph imo should make all bikes in uk and some bikes in tailand for the far east market not make british bikes in tailand then selk as british to british
My comment of the triumphs, one have sensor light from the side mirror to detect other vehicles behind you or in the rider,but in bmw ,GSA have no sensor.but the price of the triumph is low other than bmw gsa
Gt is nice but I would buy the GSA sorry but most the make are just copies trying to emulate the BMW
Just bought a brand new rallye and got 10 percent off with my blue light card and got the service pack thrown in too.
While I don’t think radar is a bad thing, I wouldn’t pay extra for it. It’s just not important to me.
GSA all the way I fell in love the first time I rode mine, it’s going to take something really special to tempt me lol 😅
Your arl fella seems like a really nice guy. I love how you both get on so well ❤️
What kind are those seat covers in the GS? Any link? Thanks in advance.
a up chuck like
Did I see your dad at Liverpool Airport on Friday afternoon on passport control
Haha yes you probably did 🤣🤣
Jesus the blind spot detectotion sensor is just above the the taillight
Imo the adventure looks better than gs. Triumph is a no from me
GS all day just for the low down weight and ease of riding,
In the US a Demo Tripple 1200 is 10000 pound
I'm with your dad, the only thing I would say for me on the Triumph, the blind spot monitoring would be a nice to have as I have difficulty looking over my right shoulder, so that would be a good safety feature for me. Thank you
get you some doubletake mirrors.
My mate bought a brand new triple black 1250GSA 3 mths ago with heated seats, grips, cruise, engine bars, satnav mounting, electric seat raise/lower, rack/ panniers/ topbox... he didn't get much change out of £21000
Sounds about right!
2 different flavors of the same candy! The GS has better low-down torque, but the Tiger has way more power and performance. The GS behaves a little better with balance and braking, but it also lacks feedback from the front end and feels very appliance-like. If you're looking for something like the GS, but want a sportier and more engaging rode, then the Tiger is a no-brainer! The GS is an amazing machine, but the Tiger feels more "alive". Especially comparing the buzzy flat twin and the Tigers exciting triple roar
GS/GSA for me all day long.
I will go GS and Rocket 3 😁
just gimme the GS please
Good comparison video. Total coincidence but I had a feeling your dad looked vaguely familiar then he said his name. I think if he was with 7 Reg in the gulf in 2003
I was with him. Good to see he’s doing well.
Aye he was in 7 Reg! 😊 he's doing great, I hope you are doing well too!!
Older and a little wiser pal.
How’s tricks Steve. Davy ( jock) Devine. You’re looking well had some laughs back in 2003.
Davy,
Good to hear from you.
Send me PM on Facebook pal, I’ve got a couple of pictures of you that you might like.
Steve
If Triumph could have had a GT Explorer for me in May this year, I would have bought one. Traded my BMW R1200 GSA Black Edition TE on a KTM 1290 Super Adventure S instead. Triumph were too slow off the block this year.
Great review - your Dad is a hoot!, however on choice, I'm like your Dad, GS all day everyday.... learnt to ride on an R80 back in the day, followed by 2 R100RT's.... Moved on to a Suzuki GS850, where I had my 1st & only huge wreck.... took that as a sign & am happy in retirement with the GS.... Low centre of gravity, low down grunt, "Chermann" engineering...... Mindful of my Gran's favorite saying "All that glisten's is not necessarily Gold", coupled with too many tales of woe over Triumph build quality & "value add issues"....... Get him insured & on that damned thing!
Greetings from Los Angeles, CA. USA. I cannot love this video enough. A Daddy and his little girl talking motorcycles and both knowing what they're talking about. Beautiful. I think it's the only time I've ever seen a vid like this. Again, beautiful. To answer the question, for me, Triumph edges out the BMW for looks but the GSA edges the Tiger for everything else. To me, the Triumph is a fantastic MC, looks nicer, cleaner, and sleeker but the GSA, which is still a fantastically great looking MC, is a masterpiece of everything else. Honestly, I'd have a blast riding either and be over the moon with either sitting in my garage. I really don't think you can go wrong owning one over the other. Smiles for Miles.
My triple black came with heated seats had to spec lights and alloy wheels. Just wish the switchgear was back lit. Is the tigers?
Yes it is
Thanks Phil, beat me to it 👍
Really enjoyed the video. On the specific question of blind spot warning: I'm all for it. I've ridden the Multistrada with it on and I found it genuinely was useful....but I also loved the adaptive cruise control too, that took so much effort out of long motorway schleps. I've got it in my car as well and use it extensively, so maybe I'm used to it.
Almost can't believe the Goldwing doesn't have it in all honesty, it's well suited to that bike, and the DCT box.
Your Pop's is retired police. Hats off, from a retire St. Louis County MO police Officer. Nice video. What did your dad think after riding the Triumph?
You both didn't seem that impressed with the blind-spot radar. I think it's a great idea. Maniac car drivers can catch you unawares and put the fear of God into you. The front radar stuff is just a nonsense and has no place on any bike that's worthy of riding. One is an excellent safety feature. The other is a boring bragging nonsense gimmick.
Well, I bought a 1200 Tiger Explorer XCA in 2017 partly because the dealer was only about 15 minutes from me and I had heard too many horror stories about BMW maintenance costs. I am 65 years old, 5'8" tall with a 30" inseam and if I had it to do over, I would step down to the XR line. Unfortunately, shortly after I bought it, they stopped carrying Triumph and my closest dealer is about an hour away now. I have a 1995 BMW R100RT Classic which I love but with dealers so far away, I suspect my next bike will be Japanese and not British or German. A previous poster mentioned service access and that has become a top priority for me. As your dad said, of these two, I think it is down to personal preference unless other issues complicate matters. Doubt you could go wrong with either.
I think the GS is the superior bike, but not sure BMW is the superior company. I own an LT now and am looking for my next bike, but BMW’s decision to no longer sell service manuals to owners has turned me off on BMW. My nearest dealer is 141 miles distant which is a no-go for depending on the dealership for maintenance and repairs. Anyone know if Triumph is similarly hostile towards it’s customers maintaining and repairing their own bikes?
Neither I road tested both of them back to back with the HD then bought a Harley Davidson 1250 Special and I'm loving it,just my humble choice you understand.
I don't know why the Tiger is being marketed as a GS killer it is its own thing.. Most adventure bikes are similar but offer something slightly different which is no bad thing. I have an adventure sports Africa twin and again it is its own beast ticked all the boxes for me and probably fits inbetween the 900 and bigger adv bikes 100bhp was spot on for me and a real workhorse does 2 up long tours no probs. Pick the bike that works for you love it and ride it!
Those mirrors on the BMW .....are they Triple Black mirrors or are they the Option-19 mirrors? I think they are Option-19 mirrors.
They are Option 719 mirrors but they come as part of a triple black package. Or you can buy them separately for none triple black gs's 👍
@@UsernameKate Thank you. You rock! I appreciate you taking the time to comment back. Cheers!
Triumph Tiger 1200
Nice seeing username dad
Thieving has to be part of the decision making. There have been 5 GS thefts from my area of Harrow (within half a mile) that I am aware of in the last 5 years. They stole mine in broad daylight by smashing down my 12 ft metal gates. Certain vehicles you don’t buy now for that reason. Range Rover Sport is another.
Gs all day, what stands out are the no.1 sales bike which is GSA no .2 sales bike GS 1250 , so BMW must be doing something right
Shame dad didn't get to ride the Trumpet but as a GS rider the overall package it offers is so hard to beat. I wouldn't put to much emphasis on the cost comparison, what's more important is depreciation which I have a sneaky feeling the GS would win. But at the end of the day it's the buyers choice and it'd be a boring world if we all wanted the same bike. If history repeats itself the 1300 GS will restore the gap, just like the 1200 LC did back in 2013
Bmw r1250gsa rallye hp te all the way for me just like your dad, the only gripe I have with mine is I wished it had an electric windscreen and a reverse 😆 🤣 😂
does your dad wonder why the tiger has a cast 18" wheel with narrow 150 tyre. vs the GS with a 170/60/17 that actually looks OK. I believe they have the same size front tyres
Personally, I prefer the BMW, more grunt/torque. The Triumph may have more top end, but do you want/need a high top end on an Adventure Bike?
I almost went Triumph Explorer when the Harley dealer also had the Triumph brand - fortunately I couldn’t get a leg over it. That dealer lost the brand, and I ended up with what I wanted all along - GS Adventure, 2022, Triple Black. The BMW is brilliant - love it. Dad and I share a former career - cheers Usernamedad 🚔
Kate,I'm properly old just to put that out there..last bike I chopped in was a Speed Triple 1050 which I love love loved.Regret selling if I'm honest.Anyway I now own a triple black,which is great not perfect then what bike is.However since going over to the GS hardly any oncoming bikers nod to me which they used to do??..does your Dad experience this too?
Having had a couple of tiger 800’s I looked at the explorer & ended with the GSA 1250. For me the nimbleness of such a big big bike, weather protection from the sizeable front profile, cracking deal from my local motorad dealer in Plymouth, low down weight & grunt of the engine configuration. It carries my sup board & can’t really feel the weight hanging on the side. When it comes time to change I think it’ll be another GSA unless something comes out significantly better. Everyone says single side swing arm is heavy, but not by a noticeable difference (ask Ducati/Guzzi) & I love the no maintenance shaft drive. 6.5k miles this year & still love riding it.