GW2 New PvP Game Mode - Sept 5th Guild Wars 2 News
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Amazing how quickly Anet followed your advice. That's what comes up being an international superstar.
it makes sense. dude has been playing the game since they plugged the server on wall for the first time. he knows a thing or two about it.
Why don’t Muk give this advice 5 years ago huh? So Anet could have done this earlier and saved PvP. Blame lies with Muk.
They didnt? The game mode was announced a while ago lol.
@@navareal3201someone that directed pvp before was intentionally keeping the matchmaking this way to abuse it with his buddy's
Mukluk: GW2 PvP has problems.
ANet: Im sorry dad, we're working on it
Daddy*... Fify
Game mode been in progress for a while..
@@VendettaPSC r/woosh
If you said "Janet" it would've sounded much better. Just saying.
You think Mukluk would understand it's in Alpha state cause they only had 24 hours to do it after they watched Muks video. lol
I'm a game dev and I'm not sure if the public is ready for what a prototype is like. This might be a shit show on the reaction front, especially since it's replacing ranked. I hope anet is ready for a lot of malding and can sift through it without getting discouraged. It seems like a great idea for a mode and I want to see it happen.
I feel like it's something people can handle as long as it doesn't just REPLACE ranked outright. That'd be a brash move, right...?
@@misbegotten3508 what I mean is in the post they said it's going to replace ranked during the testing period (two weeks).
@@paradachshundbut as its replacing the offseason i don't think it will be too bad. I guess some people with bad tastes like deathmatch
Mark this date as the first time the GW2 PvP prophet comes down the escalator and establish the Cult of Muk. Muk Pee v Pee Great Again.
I fully agree on the map not being one straight line. it could use a choke point like a tunnel, and the push object shouldn't be floating. it should be an obstructive object along the ground.
I imagine they want to make sure people are interested before they invest time into developing it, hence they're releasing the test version in a bare-bones way for now.
"gently introducing the mechanics and strategies of Conquest": if beginners are still grouped against skilled PvPers, their introduction will definitely NOT be "gentle" lol. And they still won't learn much if they are obliterated in seconds like with any other mode.
1:30 What you could say is new players logged in, got matched up against the top people in NA and got their Skritt POOSHED in
The problem is people want a new gamemode as an alternative, not to be an in-between season mode. Conquest shouldn't still be the only sPvP main per season (specially with how bad the matchmaking is and the lack of maps), we should have 3v3/2v2 AND conquest, not just one or the other and hopefully new modes as well in rotation, but not JUST conquest.
The problem, as I understand, is that the game isn't balanced for 3v3 and 2v2
That's a lot of game modes to split the already tiny PvP player base. Unranked, Ranked, and a seasonal mode is probably the limit if players don't want que times that last longer than matches.
@@cirelancasterjust make unranked all of them at once. Like random battleground in wow 🤯
0:16 I don't think it's called Puuuuush
😂
Also, eagerly awaiting the next iteration that will be called Shove.
So basically Crystalline Conflict in FFXIV
Except good.
I really look forward to see how it will stack up against crystalline conflict
That game has PvP!? Funny how reviews never mention it.
@@kaelinvictus6039Cause it's trash
I think TF2's Payload game mode came first, didn't it? 🤔
“Hey I made a map with primitives and some duct tape, wanna test it?” I’ve seen Minecraft houses look more refined.
This is kinda unprecedented btw. I have never seen a game release a feature that's still in ALPHA to their players. Even a PTR is testing beta features. I'm very worried about this.
Yay for a new mode.
Nay for it to be a 'learning curve' into understanding Conquest. Conquest isn't really.. hard to learn? And somethings you just can't teach or 'get someone used to' learning by using something like this as it takes away what you're supposed to be learning. Ideally you'd just want a Conquest map with A.I and tutorial mode for the player to get whats going on. Separate and away.
A new map still won't solve the exhausting issues of MMR that was thoughtfully listed in Muk's previous PvP vid. Unfortunately it feels like they're afraid to touch the old code and trying to add a bandaid mode and hope people play it more regardless. I got no hate for them, I appreciate the team effort, but one day they're going to need to get into that sghetti with a big fork and a lotta parmasean and get it done.
Seriously we need an ingame Mukluk avatar for the PvP maps. How did this gentleman not make it into the community thank-you video?!
so excited for POOSH
Good approach. Given past efforts, it makes a lot more sense to put in 50 hours for a "barebones prototype" beta than 500 hours for a "hopefully no bugs and everyone says it is perfect" beta.
I hope it works like crystaline conflict.
I can understand them wanting to test the concept before putting too many man-hours into the project. If players fundamentally hate the idea of a cart push game mode, then it's best for them to find out now rather than spend 6 months developing it.
This mode sounds kinda fun!! Thank you Muk for talking to Bob and giving us a flaming gen3 bacon flavored new mode!
I just want to say I really appreciate how fast and concise you always deliver gw2 news to us!
GW2 moba mode? Jesus christ get that shit away from me, I've been clean for so long.
The ridiculous thing is that we already have a MOBA mode lol
Imagine ANet would let you decorate on the map, so you could test different map configurations
Thank you for making this video, fellow human. I, too, like Gen 3 bacon.
Mukluk Douglas Afeawfsaeafs the IV shows 1% of his power
Anet: Yes All-Father, PVP changes are coming
It's definitely a very early release, but I can see their reasoning. pVp is very complex set of items to balance, and there's a certain amount of intertia with development. It's hard to change later on, so by getting player feedback in early, they can change early.
i Imagine Anets knows this is an alpha test but icalling it an beta test cause a non-zero ammonunt of players wont know what alpha testing is
I agree that this probably doesn't really fix things that keep players out of PvP (or at least doesn't fix things that keep me out of PvP). I think a simple option for that would be just 1v1 deathmatch: No chance to ruin someone else's experience, no chance for someone else to ruin your experience, easier matchmaking, and it provides a no-frills environment to just figure out how combat works against a player instead of an NPC.
JUST GIVE ME DUELS AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I see where you're coming from, but a 1v1 mode would instantly be be dominated by unkillable bunkers stalling those matches to eternity (or until the timer runs out, whatever happens then). You can deal with those by outnumbering or outright ignoring them in conquest and to an extent even in deathmatch, but if it's just a duel all you will learn is that you're in a matchup that you probably won't ever win.
Another thought: They say that this is a way to ease people into the more complex aspects of conquest mode. But they also say that it would be for new and experienced players. So an experienced player is going to go into a much simpler game mode? What would be their motivation except pwning noobs. Not the sort of gamers I would want to be doing the outreach to player timid to enter full conquest mode.
Ok.. now commenting after seeing the video. I would do so theres 2 extra capture points in the map. And pve fodder in between (like leage jungle) the payload moves acording the ammount of players near it, each player giving a +1 to the move speed of the payload and capping at +2 (enemy team counts as -1 again capping at -2) the 2 extra contest points will simply count as an extra player near the payload BUT if a team has both points it will prevent the payload to move against them.
what do you think?
It would be pretty cool that instead of pausing the payload if there are enemies on the circle. The circle moved faster depending on the quantity of players.
So that 5 players on circle no enemies = swiftness speed
1 player no enemies = walking
And the respective math (Example: 3 blues and 2 reds = walking speed advancing to blue favor)
Not a great idea. Your suggestion would make it so tanky melee and supports is the only real choice. I think it's perfectly acceptable to have 1 or 2 inside the circle, and your ranged team mates work from a distance.
Great approach from the Anet team, let it work it out leanly along with the community. Finally got rid of the costly guessing game.
this is pretty the CC pvp mode final fantasy xiv added a while back
Bruh with "Turn around time that fast" am I allowed to hit up that $200-tier on your Patreon to get you to play Bladesworn in WvW/PvP for 4 hours!?
Real talk, it's astonishing the number of people on here taking your jokes seriously 🤣🤣
the matchmaking is the problem in conquest,nothing else,and it s not because there is not enough players,it s cause the 50%winratio algorythm anet implemented few years ago to show a nice 50% winratiostats at esl,so what happens is the game ll put your gold1 ass vs plat players so you lose or put you with plat players so you win but you ll get insulted and trashtalked when making misstakes,so anet is not only responsible for the ridiculous and sad matches with 50-500 scores but also responsible for the toxicity those lower lv players ve to endure...fix the matchmaking and we don t need a new mode..
I'm not sure about this. In my experience these types of "Push the objective" game modes suffer from the fact that people like to fight and pushing a slow cart or whatever it's going to be is boring and you end up alone at the objective while the rest of the lobby is off fighting in front of one of the spawns.
the reaction at 4:24 is pure comedy lmao
With the amount of bugs in the game, it'd be interesting to see arenanet unleash their full buggy potential lmao.
But no srsly, they probably shouldn't replace ranked with this... Make it a custom map you can pick in a private room, maybe, I dont think the public is ready for this sorta thing. Coz see, not everyone is gonna read this blog post and will be hella confused and angry, thinking this is the final product.
I loved playing crystalline conflict. I am totally in for this new mode in gw2
Yeah, it needs to be more of an S shape and have some passthroughs for flanks.
PvP does look like that, 24 hours invested into development, in total
Interesting, at least. They're really trying to get people into PvP. Not sure if that's really a good direction, considering the majority of the player-base seems to favor cooperation....
The question however stands, will there be underwater sections in poosh?
I’m happy for the new game mode.
But if we can’t earn ascended shards of glory or chest progression like I’m ranked…… No one’s gonna play it.
It’s about rewards, not JUST a new game mode.
impressive!, they create a new gameplay rather than to add a new wvw map...how long has it been?
I'm forced to leave for two weeks, and they drop it, right the Frog now ?!?!
Definitely malicious and totally not an unfortunate accident!!!
My initial concerns are snowballing (and how respawns work) and downstates.
Peepos dont cleave, we are going to see a lot of big team revives.
Other than that super hyped and we dont even have to wait at all!
I'm welcome to that sort of testing. It will not be for anyone. But I'm sure as hell it's going to be helpful for Anet.
I think is possible to put towers on the new pvp map , like the Janthir Syntri those "bloodstone tower" are kindna annoying to deal with
This is 1:1 a moba maap, what are they thinking/planning...
Lmao talk about a bold move, but says a lot about the non-existent state of spvp to replace ranked entirely with an alpha map that is using grey boxes as textures. Any other live service game would never.
Also you're so right about the lanes, this game loves to push content that favours ranged combat meanwhile not all ranged in classes is equal.
"Poooshj game mode" hahaha that's going to be stuck in my head
they already did this with stronghold pvp mode and it failed...
Finally, after everyone else has copied TF2 and Overwatch, Anet took their chance! Just in time to see the cautionary tale of Concord! Coincidence? I don't thik so!
I was kidding the other day that this new game mode would be TF2 Payload. xD I guess I called it. I only hope we get silly voice lines from our characters ala TF2's mercs reacting to the cart's direction.
Seems like they cobbled something basic together to see if it is worth a real effort
Due to personal navigation techniques, I find getting around in Game maps very difficult. This map looks simple enough even for me. I don't know if the objective is interesting enough to attract active PvP players; I am doubtful. I do note that none of your concerns are at all being addressed with this. In fact, it seems likely that with far fewer places to hide, or cover, deaths will be even quicker and less satisfying.
That pvp push mode just sounds like pvp in FF14.
soooo... payload?
@@esyn4712 Not rly. But it's also a form of PvP where there's a marker in the middle of the map that needs to be pushed into the enemy base.
I don't like it being a single objective unless the payload moves even when both party are near it.. if not and its like overwatch where you can "contest" the payload as long as you are near it then why shouldnt everyone be as durable as posible making the payload impossible to move. Why not have the payload and also have different objectives to contest for points or to allow for comeback mechanics
Also, wonder if they could expand this mode to wVw size? It could be a good guild v guild type mode.
man its like perfect world Teritory Wars you will push catapult to claim opposing castle. someone gonna tank pretty much to push the cart
How is this actually pronounced? Is it just “Push”, like push a door open, or “Poosh” as you seem to be pronouncing it and as is mentioned in another comment below?
ANET: we fired our QA team to allow you, the payers/players, the glorious opportunity to save us money
Cus hey, if Microsoft can do it, why can't we?
Nah, this isn't trying to replace QA, it is trying to replace developers and play testers.
Can we please make the object that we poosh be a Quaggan?
I want to go on record, I did not want this, I would have much prefered 10v10 GVG into the game, the game needs a middle ground, we got 5v5, 2v2, 3v3, and like 70 v 70 v 70, give us Guild Wars in Guild Wars 2.
These developers dont fight enuff try hards in ranked pvp and it shows, they would probably be way more inclined to enact changes to builds that 1 shot if they were getting destroyed constantly like muk when he blinks and ends up insta dead
Well if it’s an alpha test they may actually have implemented this since your PvP video.
I think is Systems Beta and the are waiting having it quasi ready to put the visuals up that is mostly asigining the visual resources to already existing placeholders.
I definitely prefer betas, both in men and in games.
FINALY!!! Somthing new.
The idea looks nice, but i just hope they fix what exists like... Conquest :x
but isnt that just the old game mode ? i forgot the name but there was the mode where u spawn the hero npc and try to escort it to the other side
You're referring to stronghold. But the npc was just an option to break down enemies gates, could also use skritt bombers. Main goal of stronghold was to defeat enemy lord.
I don't know who would consider payload a more relaxed gamemode comoared to conquest since pretty much every payload usually ends in an endless teamfight around the single objective which is what I'd consider the most problematic with randon assortment of players and professions.
I say we need to help anet help us! to me just th fact we r getting work done on pvp mode is amazing at least itl be more variety
This should of been a 30 second meme video showing overwatch. Welcome to Detroit flop city
like someone said seems more like a alpha than a beta
So GW2 copied FFXIV's homework and changed it a little. It's called Crystalline Conflict there. Don't know about any other games. Lol.
I have always pronounced that word "POOSH", not "PISH". Sounds odd to my ears.
Muk is saying it wrong, as a joke.
Capture the flag, and also make a new mode call grand conquest. 10 v 10 5 node maps.
might be worth to look into the "new" FF14 Crystal Conflict pvp mode if its worth to make a comparison video which after a short period of hype died again from what I heard
Could be neat, but I'm kind of dreading it possibly turning in to Bunkers On Parade, where it's just ten players slap-fighting in the middle for fifteen minutes with the payload not moving an inch either way.
A 10 player slap-fight that goes on for 15 minutes without any side giving an inch does sound hella awesome though.
@@MetalHev for the first few times, yeah. But I imagine they have thought of stalemate scenarios and have solutions for it. Maybe have a divine rapier type item. Sounds fun
it will end up as stronghold, dead
Anet needs to looks on other sides of the pvp game mode
Feels like a waste of resources just to say that they did something and thats it
Problem with pvp for me are all the elitists that GG's when they fail and blame the team. Even had someone going strait into afk after the team been .5 sec behind on the first cap. There needs to be hard punish for afk/trolling/rage.
Hutt Ball! 🏀
"Beta" is definitely a misnomer. Very annoying.
edit @8:30 - I dunno if making the map more complicated would help anything. Unless I'm missing something, it's going to just be everyone piling into the center until one side thoroughly destroys the other so that they can move it. Maybe if they'd gone for TF2's Payload Race format (each side has their own payload and they have to get it to the other base first, but have to compromise between moving their payload and stopping the other team from moving THEIR payload).
Terrain is going to be extremely important here to differentiate the fight over time.
Edit: I don’t think this map is it.
I agree payload race might have been a better move, but I can see why they wanted to avoid it if they wanted the focus to be on one objective. If they do stick with tug-of-war payload, or even try tf2-style linear 5CP, there are other lessons they could take from TF2 to make the gamemode avoid stalemates (forward spawns at checkpoints, synced respawn timers, etc)
Sounds like roamers are gonna be useless in that mode.
Can't wait to see PüÜüsh game mode in action :D
Lets hope they dont Püsh this out too quickly
How can something that replaces "ranked" be casual? Isn't there a pvp game mode in one the festivals that we get once a year? If they're short on game resources why not just make that permanent. Anet's stupid. We don't need a new game mode half as much as they simply need to rework the pvp system. For instance pvp is one of the few places where account shared progress bites you in the ass.
Payload, ffxiv crystaline conflict
Also, can we get pay for testing this? Offloading QA department on the players is one thing, but recruiting them do basically be developers tinkering with internal alpha is next level. I get it that anet is trying to increase the speed of their "content" cadence by any means nessesary, but at this point it looks frankly embarrasing.
I think the biggest mistake in this post is calling anything PvP "fun and casual". The doomer in me thinks this game mode will be very challenging to balance with other game modes.
How about they fix and reimplement SPIRIT WATCH before adding more things
Take a shot mukluk says POOSH
Polish stronghold instead 😭
Polish Dez nuts? 😢
@@C0IDH3LL they could have tried, Darn it
@@EddieQuezadaremove the archers and breakers and just put siege down like a mini wvw castle siege
@@haydenkittler I'd be open to that
I hope it's "casual" enough that people from the other side of the world with high ping can actually play PVE without too much of a disadvantage.
I can’t wait to try PØÖSH
I think a lot of people having a hard time getting into pvp are f2p people and this game doesn't tell you at any moment even tho they say gear doesn't matter (not sure how true that is) elite specs sure as shit matter and can make it feel more p2w as a f2p person. As f2p you can't craft runes, sigils, and the other thing you put in gear so you have to max crafting but you can't buy 90% of the mats off the AH because 98% of it is locked to f2p people so most people jump into WvW with none of that dying in .2 sec or you can go spend almost a month maxing crafting and farming all the mats you need but even then you'll still get dumped on by elite spec people. This game just needs a face left they got 10 years of content that matters in some way spared over like 5 exp packs you have to drop over $100 on just to keep up with others on top of them trying to sell you bag space and other bs you should just get like it's some 2010 mobile game. It's 2024 get with the times fix some things up combined some things together to make it easier on people let f2p know what they're missing by trying to play f2p so you don't get all these people playing for 5 mins telling you pvp is bad then never coming back to the game even after updates like this. Pvp in this game is fun easy to understand easy to learn what spells look like and how to counter them but them leaving out how all these things you can get from the DLC's will make you better then anyone running a core build is what's getting them all the bad feed back and those same people are most likely not coming back. Why can't f2p buy runes and stuff off the AH to jump into WvW why keep f2p at a disadvantages in the hopes they buy dlc to be able to use those runes because they're sick of dying a lot. No just let people buy the damn runes so they can jump into WvW have a good time then buy dlc because they want a mount for WvW. This game creates a lot of problems for people just to sell them the answers when it shouldn't be like that. You have a good game just stop the petty things that push people to buy dlc and let them enjoy it more until they're ready to buy. This game really does feel like a mobile game from 2010 with all it's little dirty tricks. That stuff has really pushed me away and made me not want to buy dlc but it's a good game pvp is fun so I'm sticking it out until dlc goes on sale. But for so many others it just pushes them away to spend money on other games that don't feel like a mobile game.
I really don't think it's important to cater to non-paid players in a competitive mode. I'm surprised they let non-paid play pvp at all.
@@shimapanzer9930 If they didn't let f2p pvp you you'd be qing into the same 5 people all day long after waiting like 7+ hours a q lol pvp in this game is half dead and that's because of the paying people not wanting to do it. They don't have to cater to anyone just let people know how things are vs f2p and paid and stop running your game like some dated mobile game. Yes lets pay over $100 for all dlc just to learn you have to buy more bag space because we give you 100's of random things for taking 5 steps. f2p people still buy gems just because they don't have dlc doesn't mean they still don't spend money hell even I've spent like $20 in the shop so far and I have no dlc. If they gave f2p a mount I would have already spent 100's on mount skins but no they want to give you a mount for ten hours then take it away to push you to buy dlc.
@@QuickSceneClips please use punctuation. holy moly.
@@shimapanzer9930 Naw you get as much English as I was willing to learn to talk to you people.
@@shimapanzer9930 Of course they do. It is a way to convince them to pay money.
Mass pvp will be great than this i guess
TF2 maps need to be looked at as there’s countless PL maps (steam workshop) unlike OW.
Wrong game, Mr. Probably Bot.
@@samohanka lol, steam workshop is fine for checking out maps
@@raquetdude That's not the point, though. This isn't TF2...