I ordered my Higgins sbf heads directly from them. Stand up people and excellent products. Zach Smith at ZSR engines in Missouri is now a dealer. He only does Ford engines though. He’s also a good dude. Ordered a lot of parts from him and when the time comes he at least do the machining and possibly the assembly.
@@Mpcoluv it was a little over a year ago when I bought the heads, valley plate, intake, and valve covers for sbf. Had them in 2-3 weeks including shipping time. Took longer to get pistons and rockers arms that are made here in the states.
Good video.... my time was well spent.... alway's good to know what goes on... behind the scenes.... I remember when all there was.... was Brodix and Brownfields,... 1 on the west coast,... and 1 on the east,... good old days.........
Currently using Flotek on a sbf - seem to work good, but there was work needed on the intake ports to get them to match the intake. It appears that there is some core shift. I have heard about this from more than one user.
Edelbrock heads are still cast and finished in the USA. I just bought and installed a set of the e-street (budget line) heads. Received last week and installed this week (27 May, 2022) from Summit.
I was looking at putting a set of the afr 227cc eliminator race ready racing heads on my sbc 406. Looking to put a big solid roller cam in the engine to go with the heads. Looking to have my compression ratio at the 11:1 or so and looking to make 500 to 600hp. This is just gonna be a play toy for the street and maybe track time. But still want to be able to drive it to work and daily drive still. Would the heads be a good choice for me?
If any of these companies would start making heads for Mopar's again it would really be a hit since currently TF and Speedmaster are the only options. Now both are great options but no one makes a SB Magnum head anymore.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but the guys at engine Masters have done some really good test on the Pro Comp heads that you say are completely junk and they only made 20 less horsepower than a head that cost three times as much Richard holder also did some procomp and Speedmaster head comparisons at Westech performance and found that for the price you could not come close so I would say China junk is probably just an opinion and I would rather base my information on actual numbers from a Dyno session such as engine Masters or Westech performance. I personally use brodix heads
I skipped the Chinese head part. I'd never bolt a Chinese head on an American engine. Well maybe if I was selling it.😂 One of my friends bought some of those, I think they were Pro maxx? He didn't have them checked out before installation, just bolted me on...send it. They began goin tits up before the engine was even fully broken in. Same thing happened to me with some brand new S/R Torquers I put on a Chevy 383. After that I went to the wrecking yard and picked up some decent Vortec heads. Had them freshened up and bolted em on. They were way better than the aftermarket ones. That car ripped with the Vortec heads,great for the street.
Seems nobody here mentioned Frankenstein engine dynamics products, they make their own heads and manifolds, I run their m311 head with their low ram sniper, what I like is the heads and manifold is designed for each other port matched and flow tuned .
The only franks that come from the U.S. are the F series. The monsters are cast in China and finished in Weatherford, TX. Alot of ppl have switched to Frankenstein heads in the drag world. But I keep hearing that the F series tend to have issues.
Did you ever get to see the Arias hemi heads for LS and SBF and the Hammer Head Hemi Head for SBF and LS and the P38 head made by Jon Kasse that may not be made anymore?
Just subscribed and have been looking through your library but can't seem to find anything on the AFR V2 Heads. Purchased a set of 335 for a twin turbo race motor. I was told the AFR had .250 more meat on the deck so works best on turbo applications. AFR were super supportive even going as far as swapping out springs due to the lighter rates on the as sold Heads. AFR are really great to work with IMO. Originally had a set of Dart Pro One of the same size that needed work. Tried to get them refreshed at Dart (World Mach.) And couldn't even get them to answer. I would appreciate any ideas you may have. Mark Samford in Abilene massaged em lightly. (Guides/chambers)
Are the valves that come on the liberty ls1 heads any good or would they need to be purchased bare and fitted with other valves? Would these heads be better as cast than a set of 243/799?
I know this is an older video and I apologize but what was your thoughts on MBE for small block Ford. I'm pretty much talking about small block Ford for everything... Original OG Fox body guy... Grew up with them
@@WeingartnerRacing Eric, thanks for your honest reply on that. I regard you as an expert in your field. Please allow me to ask if your answer to that same question might vary if I added that this same pump gas street/strip 632cid engine will be rev limited to 6,400 RPM (my choice) and that I intend to make as much torque and power with it only up to 6,200 RPM, and in a 4,000 lb car?
So what is your opinion of the best SBF head? You mentioned your faves of the other ones, but no mention of SBF best picks? Say for a 306 ci application, AFR 165 vs TFS 11R 170?
He stated CID SC2 head was the best SBF @17:18 However Brodix @19:22 makes outstanding heads and you can get a better tailored head to suited for your engine/driving combination.
either one will work great for a 306ci SBF, I wouldn't stress it and go with the one that will best with your piston and cam. TFS need non standard vlv reliefs with any reasonably sized cam
Core shift. Occlusions in castings. And I have experienced first hand of machine tooling not being changed out when dull. Poor quality control. Where am I talking about? -C-hina. How many foundries are left that can forge 4350 steel crank billets? Aussies? Brits? Canucks? USA? Mexico? India? And of course brand -C-. Cam blanks are about 90% imports now.
Older pro comp are fine if you buy bare and machine yourself.. What isn’t cast in China ? Answer is Nothing .. AFR , Edelbrock, all with there .007 intake seat runout lol
@@WeingartnerRacing What people don’t know is the ingredients for the casting are from overseas At the Blower Shop we had to switch our extrusions to overseas China whatever you call it to compete.. When you say junk you don’t explain what’s junk about it? The truth is any head you buy assembled from these companies suck But all the casting are workable with the right Machinist
Race winning brands is the private equity group that you are speaking of, they are screwing up all the entire HiPerformance market today. As far as CHI and CID and Higgins I was involved in their port designs and manifolds also. CID is in Minnesota and the castings come from Profiler, I hope that helps.
My new AFR 220 renegades flowed over advertised!!! Super clean and boxed "wooden" lol with the foam core inside etc..packaged to accomadate the inferior delivery driver lmao!!
The one thing i was always impressed with was Afr exhaust port flow. They werent huge cc but for sbf exhaust port flow is so good even compared to other aftermarket pieces. One company you didnt list is Performance world. It looks like a Canadian company that domestically machines foreign castings. They have HUGE cathedral ls heads that use offset ls3 rockers and have a 252cc intake port. They also have regular gen1 castings and huge rec port ls3 castings as well. I dont expect a set of these to cross your bench.
I'm no expert, but I've had a few Edelbrock, Trick Flow, Dart Pro 1's, and just picked up the AFR Eliminators today. And visually AFR has the nicest heads I've seen. Hopefully I'll find out how well this perform this week.
Cash , quality and performance combined....AFR is tough to challenge..oh and dont forget about the edelbrock victor/glidden head...that dam thing is Krazy good!!! if you have Deep Pockets!!
There are now so many aftermarket heads on the market now which creates a lot of study . Like a lot of things if your not dealing with these things often its hard to appreciate the differences . What you did was well layed out and cuts to the chase about your opinion on all these heads
I’m running a set of all pro heads and all pro intake , on my 427 ls. 11.5:1 solid roller m1 combo , with a forced inductions gen 3 gtr 98/113. Hoping to make enough power to run 4.20s-4.50s once we get the combo dialed in . Bob is an awesome person to work with , goes above and beyond as far as customer service goes .
Eric Weingartner nice review man. Higgins are some bad momba jombas. I wish they are more available here. Your customer that just brought in those CHI 3v heads was trying to get the Higgins but they do not respond worth a damn. I am yet to see any CHI heads (even the CHI Kaase 400 heads) beat the Higgins yet. Video is a 465 SBF with the newest Higgins heads and newer intake. Nice numbers with this little engine 😉 ua-cam.com/video/_PJFEpqVnG0/v-deo.html
Your not the only ones paying through the teeth for Higgins heads , there a high quality expensive top end head, down here in Australia you rarely see then in the wild , for the most part there on top end builds where the cost of the parts isn't there biggest concern 😟
Back in the day before for sbc iron heads it was the pro Topline heads😎 neighbor had a stock block iron headed sbc (408) made 650hp na. Also had a 200 shot single stage. Ran 9.80 na and 8.90 with the spray in a foxbody notch. Those old school pro Topline heads were sweet. Can’t find them anywhere now. It’d be like finding gold. Pretty sure when this motor was running in the mid 00’s those heads were already out of production and bought out 10 years earlier. Now it’s the known RHS pro action stuff but I’m not 100% sure if the heads are as good as they were when the New Zealand company was making them back in the 90’s, and I don’t think they even make an iron head anymore. Maybe I’m wrong.
In my experience which is limited. I have found for bang for your buck and being ready to slap on and go I find afr being superior. I love my brodix heads but they took some work to get where I am today
Eric , what do you think about CFE? As far as TFS, has the hardness of the head improved? Kaase made a really good flowing SBF head 10 yrs ago which were Canted with good flow numbers. Unfortunately, they're no longer in production
Ton of great info. Thanks for putting this together. I’m researching for BBF heads and it’s difficult because BBF seems to be all the big head guys’ side gig.
Great video Eric. Some really good information and opinions based on your experience. One head that I keep looking at for the Cleveland is the Scott Cook SCM heads. Another Australian head, but developed to look externally identical to the original Ford head, but in aluminium, and with a number of different port and combustion chamber options. Thanks again. Regards Greg
I would absolutely love to see a similar hierarchy tree focused on BB and SB Mopar, BB Ford, Other GM and maybe even AMC. Granted those crowds are smaller, but they love this stuff just as much.
It's like fast food joints they get bought out by corporate big business and then turn to crap as there only focus is on profits not reputation and quality
Oh wow I never heard of the 3 Australian brands also the 3 brands you mention Dart, World Products, and EQ they are circle track heads for sure I know quite a few people use 1 of those 3 and I use World Products for my wingless sprint car I am getting into. They are 220 runners and 208 intake and 160 exhaust I don't know the flow numbers but I tried to look them up I guess they flow 290cfm peak but I don't know I never found good proof of them.
Good review! I need to do the heads on my C6Z/LS7, I'm strongly considering the PRC 285 Texas Speed heads. Thoughts? They seem like one of the better values with decent flow numbers.
I'm in the same boat, I just got a deal on a set of PRC 285s I couldn't pass up. A guy bought them and then decided to go a completely different route, brand new in box, never even set on the block. Shipped to my door for $2500. I can't wait to put this thing together and see how it does. I do think the PRC 265 would probably be better for a street car though, not 100% sure.
@@ssoffshore5111 I will say this, I ran PRC 225s on my Camaro with a somewhat outdated cam (Torquer V2) Fast 102, 4" exhaust, and I definitely hurt some feelings with that setup. I beat up on a couple cammed LS3 C6s and a C5 with a 416 and LS3 heads. Ran that setup for 12k hard miles until I was rear ended.
Hi, do you have any info or an an opinion on the ford Z304 heads, I have a set of the 1st line up sitting in the boxes for about 10 years, " one of those deals that I thought I couldn't pass up even though I didn't need lol" was wondering if they are worth getting ready for the track, drag, thanks for your time
Good Video … But can we please have a similar video for the Mopar 383/400/440 and can you please do a full review of the Trick Flow 240 & 270 head for the 440. Thanks.
Some of those LS china heads that are popular! I don’t think 🤔 is made of very good material! I have seen numerous, fairly popular heads produced by the company that was made popular by a guy on UA-cam, with blowtorched holes 🕳 through them, with fairly low boost 🙄🙄🙄🙄! I know most morons can burn 🔥 up anything, but I’ve seen & heard of many engine builders that won’t use them, because they know they move & almost always cause issues 🙄🙄🙄🙄! The Dart stuff Has always been really good! Dick Maskin put a lot of effort into his stuff! Especially in the last 8 or so years! Most of Darts heads are now made of 357, which is about the highest quality of material in any cast aluminum heads! But no one ever thinks about the material 🙄🙄🙄🙄! Which should be pretty important on any power adder engine! Darts newer stuff out of the box makes more power, than the older heads! Just swapping out 20 yr old set of BBC Heads with a new updated set picked up over 25 hp! With the same parts put into the new castings! Either way their stuff always ran well & lasted along time! My boss tried to order some more engine blocks, I think he was told 40 to 50 weeks, before they would ship! WTF 🤬🤬🤬🤬 So if you destroy your block, you might not race until this time next year 🙄🙄🙄🙄! It’s really sad, because there are tons of foundries sitting doing nothing 🙄🙄🙄🙄!Most people cannot afford to go racing anymore anyways! We have people who were in a big hurry to get going, & they have their shit. But haven’t been out once! Edelbrock makes some of the most hi quality street heads! But they still really only have street stuff! We do have a few really old sets of the BV3 heads, on a few engines! They really do make power, they last & they made everyone step up there games 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻! Higgens builds some of the best heads going 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻! There SB2 & SBF Heads are awesome 😎! You can deal with them directly! I’m surprised you haven’t talked with them! They are really proud of there stuff! You could even get better deals than most as your a cylinder head guy only! Brodix makes awesome stuff, normally! Sometimes stuff gets shipped, that 100% shouldn’t! Also it also depends who you get on the phone! You could get a decent person who gives a shit! Or you could get someone who doesn’t give AF who you are, or how much you have spent with them over the years, & basically a big FY! It’s not a good thing!
Hey Eric! First of all, love the videos, I have learned a lot from them. Question, I have a sbc (327) and I'd like to beef it up a bit. It's a street application so I'm looking for power gains throughout the power range. From what I have read/researched, folks are upgrading to the AFR 195 heads with an applicable cam (comp XE274). In this video you mentioned that Profiler makes the best sbc head in your opinion; is that for street or race applications? Or both? Thanks in advance! Would you stay with the AFR/comp combo, or maybe the Profiler/comp combo?
Hello Eric..I’m a new subscriber to your channel and I find your videos very informative…I would like to know what set of heads you would recommend to me for my stock Chevy 350 as an upgrade..it is stock bore and the factory heads are boat anchors as far as I’m concerned…I want a decent set of heads for around $1200 assembled..,I will of course replace the camshaft to match the heads…any suggestions? I trust your judgement so that’s why I’m reaching out to you…
I heard when edelbrock purchased the comp performance group or whatever they shut down rhs because edelbrock didn't want a second cylinder head division
CID has a symmetrical port BBC head that I saw make 100 more hp when bolted on a motor even when they had to use a smaller cam because of valve angle .
I ordered my Higgins sbf heads directly from them. Stand up people and excellent products. Zach Smith at ZSR engines in Missouri is now a dealer. He only does Ford engines though. He’s also a good dude. Ordered a lot of parts from him and when the time comes he at least do the machining and possibly the assembly.
Higgins has heads in stock?
@@Mpcoluv it was a little over a year ago when I bought the heads, valley plate, intake, and valve covers for sbf. Had them in 2-3 weeks including shipping time. Took longer to get pistons and rockers arms that are made here in the states.
Thanks for the time taken, to inform us.
I have been thinking to upgrade to head hunters for my sbf I havent heard too many folks running them im glad too see they are great
Have been impressed with my AFRs. Well made, make great power.
Same here. Very impressive head.What set up do you have yours on? Mine is 383 SBC, 195 AFRs, Vic Jr, .576" lift hyd roller ....
@@arodderz sbc 427 AFR 220 around .610 .630 hyd roller 574 hp 577 tq on the motor with a h20 300 shot available
@@brutusvk2 nice..👍
Good video.... my time was well spent.... alway's good to know what goes on... behind the scenes.... I remember when all there was.... was Brodix and Brownfields,... 1 on the west coast,... and 1 on the east,... good old days.........
you need to look into Higgins Race Heads. also MBE and AllPro are my pick from USA from downunder.
All of Higgins current port and manifold design is done by GP Technologies (Gale Powley) Higgins is adding more heads LS, Ford and now SB chevy
I was surprised AllPro didn’t make the list.
Seen a 13 degree ALL PRO headed 468ci SBC produce over 950hp NA.
Currently using Flotek on a sbf - seem to work good, but there was work needed on the intake ports to get them to match the intake. It appears that there is some core shift. I have heard about this from more than one user.
Edelbrock heads are still cast and finished in the USA. I just bought and installed a set of the e-street (budget line) heads. Received last week and installed this week (27 May, 2022) from Summit.
I've got a set of edelbrock e-cnc 185 heads on a 347 sbf with 10.8 comp. They work great and no problems putting a lick on many cars.
I was looking at putting a set of the afr 227cc eliminator race ready racing heads on my sbc 406. Looking to put a big solid roller cam in the engine to go with the heads. Looking to have my compression ratio at the 11:1 or so and looking to make 500 to 600hp. This is just gonna be a play toy for the street and maybe track time. But still want to be able to drive it to work and daily drive still. Would the heads be a good choice for me?
210’s would work for you
@@hereinmissoula11 the AFR 210? What could I be looking at for a hp with them?
@@matthayes5164 more than 500 probably 550 with enough cam I've seen 383s with 195 street ported versions do 500+
I'm running afr 245 on my 3309 lbs camaro and car has been 9.51 @ 144mph n/a stock suspension
chapman did a lot of mopar stuff and they started out with mopar giving them garbage to work with but later design was amazing
If any of these companies would start making heads for Mopar's again it would really be a hit since currently TF and Speedmaster are the only options. Now both are great options but no one makes a SB Magnum head anymore.
If they sold them they would be lucky to break even on them after 5years.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion but the guys at engine Masters have done some really good test on the Pro Comp heads that you say are completely junk and they only made 20 less horsepower than a head that cost three times as much Richard holder also did some procomp and Speedmaster head comparisons at Westech performance and found that for the price you could not come close so I would say China junk is probably just an opinion and I would rather base my information on actual numbers from a Dyno session such as engine Masters or Westech performance. I personally use brodix heads
I base my opinion on what I have seen and done. I have seen many pro comps. I can confidently say they are junk.
@@WeingartnerRacing Like anything with that name on it!
🤣🤣😂🤣😂
Does the flotek have good hardware then? Like valves, springs, guides and rocker studs? I heard they get their parts from pep in Las Vegas
Great information thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Were the trick flow sbf twisted wedge heads any good? I always wanted a set of them back in the day.
I still run a set!
@@richfrederick3329 I just worked on a 2000 Saleen that has a brand new set on it, they were the mod motor ones. Real bad azz car!
I skipped the Chinese head part. I'd never bolt a Chinese head on an American engine. Well maybe if I was selling it.😂
One of my friends bought some of those, I think they were Pro maxx? He didn't have them checked out before installation, just bolted me on...send it.
They began goin tits up before the engine was even fully broken in. Same thing happened to me with some brand new S/R Torquers I put on a Chevy 383. After that I went to the wrecking yard and picked up some decent Vortec heads. Had them freshened up and bolted em on. They were way better than the aftermarket ones. That car ripped with the Vortec heads,great for the street.
Seems nobody here mentioned Frankenstein engine dynamics products, they make their own heads and manifolds, I run their m311 head with their low ram sniper, what I like is the heads and manifold is designed for each other port matched and flow tuned .
The only franks that come from the U.S. are the F series. The monsters are cast in China and finished in Weatherford, TX.
Alot of ppl have switched to Frankenstein heads in the drag world. But I keep hearing that the F series tend to have issues.
Dang my heads were the 1’st ones you come to and you threw em in the trash.
😂 The good news is they haven't ruined your engine yet and you can always say you have tons of room for improvement or upgrades.
What about MBE ?
What about Kaufman heads for Pontiac?
Did you ever get to see the Arias hemi heads for LS and SBF and the Hammer Head Hemi Head for SBF and LS and the P38 head made by Jon Kasse that may not be made anymore?
Only at the Engine Masters Challenge.
one aussie one you missed is torque power... yea they only do holden atm but they do it good.
Where does all pro rank on the list?
Near the top
This is why I buy brodix....
Big thing I have noticed with edelbrock is the damn guides are always way to tight.
What about the Mast Black Label, for LS’s? Don’t say Mabel, say Black Label. Remember that beer commercial in the 50’s and 60’s?
Just subscribed and have been looking through your library but can't seem to find anything on the AFR V2 Heads. Purchased a set of 335 for a twin turbo race motor. I was told the AFR had .250 more meat on the deck so works best on turbo applications. AFR were super supportive even going as far as swapping out springs due to the lighter rates on the as sold Heads. AFR are really great to work with IMO. Originally had a set of Dart Pro One of the same size that needed work. Tried to get them refreshed at Dart (World Mach.) And couldn't even get them to answer. I would appreciate any ideas you may have. Mark Samford in Abilene massaged em lightly. (Guides/chambers)
Should I be concerned about the rocker studs protruding down into the intake runners on my new afr sbc 195’s
No
Thank you Eric.
from what i seen blue prinnt very afr like
Thanks for the info.
What about CFE and Allpro?
Is this vid just sticking to OEM valve angle stuff?
Ty for this, Brodix it is.
Are the valves that come on the liberty ls1 heads any good or would they need to be purchased bare and fitted with other valves? Would these heads be better as cast than a set of 243/799?
Hmm well they do make really good world products heads lol. We have a set that flowed at 430cfm. They’re on a sbf and do very very well
I know this is an older video and I apologize but what was your thoughts on MBE for small block Ford. I'm pretty much talking about small block Ford for everything... Original OG Fox body guy... Grew up with them
He makes very good heads.
Great video thanks. Any intel on AllPro or Australian casting Racer Pro?
Thanks. I will mention them at a later date.
What do you think of BBC Brodix Dragon Slayer heads? I'm thinking about using them for my pump gas 632cid engine
I think it is a poor choice for that engine. The 3xtra stuff is superior
@@WeingartnerRacing Eric, thanks for your honest reply on that. I regard you as an expert in your field. Please allow me to ask if your answer to that same question might vary if I added that this same pump gas street/strip 632cid engine will be rev limited to 6,400 RPM (my choice) and that I intend to make as much torque and power with it only up to 6,200 RPM, and in a 4,000 lb car?
Edelbrock #1 ❤
So what is your opinion of the best SBF head? You mentioned your faves of the other ones, but no mention of SBF best picks? Say for a 306 ci application, AFR 165 vs TFS 11R 170?
He stated CID SC2 head was the best SBF @17:18 However Brodix @19:22 makes outstanding heads and you can get a better tailored head to suited for your engine/driving combination.
either the 54cc TFS 11r170 or the 56cc 11r90 to get some compression if it just has flat top pistons
either one will work great for a 306ci SBF, I wouldn't stress it and go with the one that will best with your piston and cam. TFS need non standard vlv reliefs with any reasonably sized cam
Thanks
Can someone tell me if dart pro 1 series 20 degree heads for the Big block Chevy are good for boost
Core shift. Occlusions in castings. And I have experienced first hand of machine tooling not being changed out when dull. Poor quality control. Where am I talking about? -C-hina. How many foundries are left that can forge 4350 steel crank billets? Aussies? Brits? Canucks? USA? Mexico? India? And of course brand -C-.
Cam blanks are about 90% imports now.
U forgot about All Pro. Best ls7 for boosted apps by far. My opinion
All pro is very good. I accidentally left them off but cid is better in my opinion.
Hey dude a Cleveland is a big block Ford engine and a Windsor is a small block Ford engine I just thought that you should know that have a good day
Australia has a few more that are better than Higgins. Especially for SBC.
And you forgot MBE
Buy once cry once afr for the win
I guess Big Chief and Pontiac spread ports don't matter.. Both of those totally dominated for decades.
I brought up the dn-9 heads from brodix which are spread ports and right now are the best bbc heads imo.
Left out hammerhead and kasse heads
Best head is from a pair of lips 😂
I have been told the Competition Cams bought RHS out.
Yes. Then Edelbrock bought comp.
It's a shame that all of that tech may go down the tube. I hope not.
You forgot the hammerhead. Ls and ford all in one.
They are very good. I left them out
Partly because I forgot about them the other they don’t do as much volume as the others.
Older pro comp are fine if you buy bare and machine yourself..
What isn’t cast in China ?
Answer is Nothing .. AFR , Edelbrock, all with there .007 intake seat runout lol
Brodix, trick flow, profiler, and Edelbrock all American. Procomp no matter when are junk.
@@WeingartnerRacing What people don’t know is the ingredients for the casting are from overseas
At the Blower Shop we had to switch our extrusions to overseas China whatever you call it to compete.. When you say junk you don’t explain what’s junk about it?
The truth is any head you buy assembled from these companies suck
But all the casting are workable with the right Machinist
The casting are not the same speedmaster is junk.
Stuff private equity. gorden geccos and hot shots, that shoot blanks
Race winning brands is the private equity group that you are speaking of, they are screwing up all the entire HiPerformance market today. As far as CHI and CID and Higgins I was involved in their port designs and manifolds also. CID is in Minnesota and the castings come from Profiler, I hope that helps.
Man real info. Nice to know.
RWB bought out Australian Haltech.
What about MBE?
Is it wrong that I’m a AFR fanboy. I’ve always had great luck with them and everyone I know who has ram them has great luck.
My new AFR 220 renegades flowed over advertised!!! Super clean and boxed "wooden" lol with the foam core inside etc..packaged to accomadate the inferior delivery driver lmao!!
The one thing i was always impressed with was Afr exhaust port flow. They werent huge cc but for sbf exhaust port flow is so good even compared to other aftermarket pieces.
One company you didnt list is Performance world. It looks like a Canadian company that domestically machines foreign castings. They have HUGE cathedral ls heads that use offset ls3 rockers and have a 252cc intake port. They also have regular gen1 castings and huge rec port ls3 castings as well.
I dont expect a set of these to cross your bench.
I have a set of AFR 205 for a sbf.
Can't wait to see the dyno numbers once completed.
I'm no expert, but I've had a few Edelbrock, Trick Flow, Dart Pro 1's, and just picked up the AFR Eliminators today. And visually AFR has the nicest heads I've seen. Hopefully I'll find out how well this perform this week.
U know anything else about performance world heads?
just call higgins in australia and becoem a dealer. i cant see it hurting there company
Cash , quality and performance combined....AFR is tough to challenge..oh and dont forget about the edelbrock victor/glidden head...that dam thing is Krazy good!!! if you have Deep Pockets!!
There are now so many aftermarket heads on the market now which creates a lot of study . Like a lot of things if your not dealing with these things often its hard to appreciate the differences . What you did was well layed out and cuts to the chase about your opinion on all these heads
Great video Eric
I mostly do LS builds
, mostly FI my go to for big inch is all pro for smaller i find PRC is hard to beat… any thoughts?
I’m running a set of all pro heads and all pro intake , on my 427 ls. 11.5:1 solid roller m1 combo , with a forced inductions gen 3 gtr 98/113. Hoping to make enough power to run 4.20s-4.50s once we get the combo dialed in .
Bob is an awesome person to work with , goes above and beyond as far as customer service goes .
You forgot ALL PRO Cylinder Heads. Probably better than anything made. And they are made in Ohio. Better have a fat wallet tho.
It's my belief these "equity groups" have bad intentions for the industry.
All about max dollars.
Eric Weingartner nice review man. Higgins are some bad momba jombas. I wish they are more available here. Your customer that just brought in those CHI 3v heads was trying to get the Higgins but they do not respond worth a damn.
I am yet to see any CHI heads (even the CHI Kaase 400 heads) beat the Higgins yet. Video is a 465 SBF with the newest Higgins heads and newer intake. Nice numbers with this little engine 😉 ua-cam.com/video/_PJFEpqVnG0/v-deo.html
Your not the only ones paying through the teeth for Higgins heads , there a high quality expensive top end head, down here in Australia you rarely see then in the wild , for the most part there on top end builds where the cost of the parts isn't there biggest concern 😟
Back in the day before for sbc iron heads it was the pro Topline heads😎 neighbor had a stock block iron headed sbc (408) made 650hp na. Also had a 200 shot single stage. Ran 9.80 na and 8.90 with the spray in a foxbody notch. Those old school pro Topline heads were sweet. Can’t find them anywhere now. It’d be like finding gold. Pretty sure when this motor was running in the mid 00’s those heads were already out of production and bought out 10 years earlier. Now it’s the known RHS pro action stuff but I’m not 100% sure if the heads are as good as they were when the New Zealand company was making them back in the 90’s, and I don’t think they even make an iron head anymore. Maybe I’m wrong.
In my experience which is limited. I have found for bang for your buck and being ready to slap on and go I find afr being superior. I love my brodix heads but they took some work to get where I am today
Awesome video !!! I wish you could do one for aftermarket Pontiac heads. There is a lot of misinformation in that area.
Is Kenne Bell still a thing for BOPCO stuff?
What about ALL PRO ? Not included ?
Eric , what do you think about CFE? As far as TFS, has the hardness of the head improved? Kaase made a really good flowing SBF head 10 yrs ago which were Canted with good flow numbers. Unfortunately, they're no longer in production
Ton of great info. Thanks for putting this together. I’m researching for BBF heads and it’s difficult because BBF seems to be all the big head guys’ side gig.
Kaase is serious with his offerings for BBF power pricey but you get what your paying for
I thought Allpro was as good as you could get as far as sbc stuff?
Great video Eric. Some really good information and opinions based on your experience. One head that I keep looking at for the Cleveland is the Scott Cook SCM heads. Another Australian head, but developed to look externally identical to the original Ford head, but in aluminium, and with a number of different port and combustion chamber options. Thanks again. Regards Greg
I would absolutely love to see a similar hierarchy tree focused on BB and SB Mopar, BB Ford, Other GM and maybe even AMC. Granted those crowds are smaller, but they love this stuff just as much.
I believe the Flowtek heads are manufactured in Evansville, Indiana
Excellent video Eric I just wish your audio was a little better I have a hard time hearing you because I have a hearing disorder
It's like fast food joints they get bought out by corporate big business and then turn to crap as there only focus is on profits not reputation and quality
The brand you can afford usually work best
What about GMPP heads?
Love dart cast iron heads
The old “iron eagle “ SBC heads were very good for their day
Oh wow I never heard of the 3 Australian brands also the 3 brands you mention Dart, World Products, and EQ they are circle track heads for sure I know quite a few people use 1 of those 3 and I use World Products for my wingless sprint car I am getting into. They are 220 runners and 208 intake and 160 exhaust I don't know the flow numbers but I tried to look them up I guess they flow 290cfm peak but I don't know I never found good proof of them.
Good review! I need to do the heads on my C6Z/LS7, I'm strongly considering the PRC 285 Texas Speed heads. Thoughts? They seem like one of the better values with decent flow numbers.
I'm in the same boat, I just got a deal on a set of PRC 285s I couldn't pass up. A guy bought them and then decided to go a completely different route, brand new in box, never even set on the block. Shipped to my door for $2500. I can't wait to put this thing together and see how it does.
I do think the PRC 265 would probably be better for a street car though, not 100% sure.
@@C6Z_Bob Yup, hard to pass that up! LMK how you make out!
@@ssoffshore5111 I will say this, I ran PRC 225s on my Camaro with a somewhat outdated cam (Torquer V2) Fast 102, 4" exhaust, and I definitely hurt some feelings with that setup. I beat up on a couple cammed LS3 C6s and a C5 with a 416 and LS3 heads.
Ran that setup for 12k hard miles until I was rear ended.
Hi, do you have any info or an an opinion on the ford Z304 heads, I have a set of the 1st line up sitting in the boxes for about 10 years, " one of those deals that I thought I couldn't pass up even though I didn't need lol" was wondering if they are worth getting ready for the track, drag, thanks for your time
Good Video … But can we please have a similar video for the Mopar 383/400/440 and can you please do a full review of the Trick Flow 240 & 270 head for the 440. Thanks.
This was outstanding. thank you for your time.
Great great video. I've always wondered a lot of this
Some of those LS china heads that are popular! I don’t think 🤔 is made of very good material! I have seen numerous, fairly popular heads produced by the company that was made popular by a guy on UA-cam, with blowtorched holes 🕳 through them, with fairly low boost 🙄🙄🙄🙄! I know most morons can burn 🔥 up anything, but I’ve seen & heard of many engine builders that won’t use them, because they know they move & almost always cause issues 🙄🙄🙄🙄! The Dart stuff Has always been really good! Dick Maskin put a lot of effort into his stuff! Especially in the last 8 or so years! Most of Darts heads are now made of 357, which is about the highest quality of material in any cast aluminum heads! But no one ever thinks about the material 🙄🙄🙄🙄! Which should be pretty important on any power adder engine! Darts newer stuff out of the box makes more power, than the older heads! Just swapping out 20 yr old set of BBC Heads with a new updated set picked up over 25 hp! With the same parts put into the new castings! Either way their stuff always ran well & lasted along time! My boss tried to order some more engine blocks, I think he was told 40 to 50 weeks, before they would ship! WTF 🤬🤬🤬🤬 So if you destroy your block, you might not race until this time next year 🙄🙄🙄🙄! It’s really sad, because there are tons of foundries sitting doing nothing 🙄🙄🙄🙄!Most people cannot afford to go racing anymore anyways! We have people who were in a big hurry to get going, & they have their shit. But haven’t been out once! Edelbrock makes some of the most hi quality street heads! But they still really only have street stuff! We do have a few really old sets of the BV3 heads, on a few engines! They really do make power, they last & they made everyone step up there games 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻! Higgens builds some of the best heads going 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻! There SB2 & SBF Heads are awesome 😎! You can deal with them directly! I’m surprised you haven’t talked with them! They are really proud of there stuff! You could even get better deals than most as your a cylinder head guy only! Brodix makes awesome stuff, normally! Sometimes stuff gets shipped, that 100% shouldn’t! Also it also depends who you get on the phone! You could get a decent person who gives a shit! Or you could get someone who doesn’t give AF who you are, or how much you have spent with them over the years, & basically a big FY! It’s not a good thing!
Eric, good overview and insight. Thanks for the video
Hey Eric! First of all, love the videos, I have learned a lot from them. Question, I have a sbc (327) and I'd like to beef it up a bit. It's a street application so I'm looking for power gains throughout the power range. From what I have read/researched, folks are upgrading to the AFR 195 heads with an applicable cam (comp XE274). In this video you mentioned that Profiler makes the best sbc head in your opinion; is that for street or race applications? Or both? Thanks in advance! Would you stay with the AFR/comp combo, or maybe the Profiler/comp combo?
Afr are better out of the box. Right now only about a $100 more expensive too.
@@WeingartnerRacing thanks!!!
I'm thinking of getting another Ford soon for me it's easy, either AFR or TFS only. Both proven performance, quality from sound companies.
what about all pro heads?
Great video, thanks for sharing 👍
Hello Eric..I’m a new subscriber to your channel and I find your videos very informative…I would like to know what set of heads you would recommend to me for my stock Chevy 350 as an upgrade..it is stock bore and the factory heads are boat anchors as far as I’m concerned…I want a decent set of heads for around $1200 assembled..,I will of course replace the camshaft to match the heads…any suggestions? I trust your judgement so that’s why I’m reaching out to you…
I heard when edelbrock purchased the comp performance group or whatever they shut down rhs because edelbrock didn't want a second cylinder head division
CID has a symmetrical port BBC head that I saw make 100 more hp when bolted on a motor even when they had to use a smaller cam because of valve angle .
How about All Pro heads? that’s what I got in my sbc