Illich Part 1: Sex, Gender, and Shadow Work
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- The regime of sex, the reign of gender, a cynical take on capitalism and sexism, and shadow work of the 1950's house wife's... join in for all this and more as Marc Barnes and Maria Brandell discuss chapters 1 & 2 of Ivan Illich's provocative text, "Gender."
If you're late to the game, catch up on the reading with the pdf link here:
debate.uvm.edu/asnider/Ivan_I...
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Ch. 3 is next!
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First I heard the term "Shadow Work" was when I read "Vernacular Values" by him. In his descrpitions of it he was very broad yet precise in creating the feeling that without such work our other "works" are either stuck/unfinished or downright impossible. Sheds a new light on what we, even in pandemic, called - essential.
He was very thought-provoking to read and you could see that he struggles to contain his mind within the boundries of textual expression. Gonna be visiting the only place he ever called home this summer. I think the man would have enjoyed listening to this podcast. I know I did! well done.
That is a bumper sticker! "Smash Capitalism, Get pregnant!"
Several points from this episode reminded me of comments made on the Good Soil episodes. In particular, modern Americans work for a paycheck, to buy the food/commodities they need and then take them home and actually cook with. Homesteaders, on the other hand, just go straight to working to produce their own food and are thus not reliant on a paycheck to meet their needs (and in fact can eat more abundantly then when they simply bought commodities to transform).
Unrelated to the discussion, but did you happen to be coal mining prior to the podcast?
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32:23 comment for traction but that envy description cuts deep & rings true (imo)
side note ppl might find a virtue/vice discussion set interesting. Virtues & vices are often implicitly lingering & forming the background for a lot contemporary issues but are rarely explicitly discussed. At least in my world as a public school teacher. I often have to treat student capacity & competency (essentially their productivity) as the ultimate end when really it’s the underlying character & habit formation that’s of value & left implicit.
I'm understanding this definition of shadow work to be labour that is essentially the groundwork, or preparatory stages, or the basis in which one can then create, consume or make use of a commodity. As Illich writes, "a necessary complement to
the production of goods and services."
Defining music and content creation as a service, can this definition also be applied to someone such as a muse? Especially one who does not consent to being used for the creation of a commodity and is unpaid?
A muse character who, through their own personal service, prepares the initial stages and lays down the foundation for an artist or influencer to create their music or content. A muse's service being things like opening and sharing their flow of consciousness, sharing personal & private aspects of their daily life, or undergoing the stress and mental fatigue of being observed and documented in their natural habitat (an invasion of privacy for the sake of turning the muse's natural life into relatable art, as art does imitate life).
Without the muse, the service (a created album reflecting such consciousness, a youtube video of someone roleplaying GTA off of the muse personality, or a TikTok creator who turns the muse's actions or thoughts into relatable content) would not exist. The muse is necessary to create and enjoy the content that generates views, streams, and revenue. Like the peaches in a can that requires shadow work for the product to be enjoyed, the artist's content would remain unseen if it weren't for the service of the muse unlocking themselves to then have their consciousness, personality and actions be dissected, transformed and/or monetized.
29:43 true and very interesting
Mark, what is on your arm?
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Hey there
i just hear words words words
I want to hear you addressing the reality that in pre-modern society, there have always been women who DID experience a vocation to priesthood (e.g. Therese of Lisieux). Add to that the tradition of venerating Mary as Virgin Priest, suppressed only about a century ago. Would love to see you look at that and engage with Catholic theologians who hold a different view than you on this.
I just felt like you are pretending there wasnt this desire on the part of particular women in pre-modern society, when it demonstrably was, even if it was less common. It has always existed, long before we got our modern ideas regarding sex discrimination.