I always appreciated how well-structured and concise your reviews/videos are. It’s clear you pay a lot of attention to detail and editing. Thank you as always!
Aweseome review GPLama!!! thanks so much for taking the effort and answering all questions I had. I have SRAM on gravel like you and Shimano Di2 on Road, I will be open to having this road bike when I get a new one.
The reason imo the FD is black is because my original eTap FD has scratched up slightly and i reckon the dark colour will make that better oh i just love that lever shape already!...
Well I know the embargo lifted at 10 am 😂. Four videos in my feed haha. You get first. Ronnie Kuba did show it off in his new bike video yesterday though haha.
The amount of leaks of this was bullshit to be honest. There’s was a serious lack of professionalism shown by so many with this… all to be first and get the clicks. I fucking hate it.
I can't believe the Bonus buttons don't get more love. I use these on my Shimano setups all the time when in the aero hoods position and it's awesome. Being able to shift with you hands draped over the hoods in so useful and anyone that uses the buttons to cycle through a computer is wasting them..
Finally "Di2 buttons" on Sram! The ability to control my Wahoo from the Di2 buttons have long been the main reason why I haven't given SRAM any consideration so far.
@@leedorney they were next to GP thumbnail with the new sram red . SRAM must have said you are allowed to release news of the new groupo at a certain time. GP beat them so I was happy he got in first . I haven’t watched there stuff for yrs. I did go back for a while when Oli joined but that didn’t last long. 😆
Really interested in the 160mm crankarms; wondering if those crankarms would be compatible with the previous RED chainrings; or if the new RED crankset will be compatible with the old RED shifters.
can i just switch to the new hoods/levers due to the easier braking and leave my other red components the same or would i need to change the whole groupset?
You could place a wireless blip on the inside of a new RED lever giving three button access with one hand. Two buttons assigned to rear shifting, one to the front. Job done.
@@gplama Thank you, I keep forgetting about this because you supposedly need to buy this separately. Ability shift with one hand was a reason for me to go with di2 and gave me the ability to ride a road bike
Does anyone know if I can use the new FD on my old Force AXS groupset to get more reliable front shifting? Are the components backwards compatible / interchangeable etc?
Yes, fully compatible. I’ve already installed new red FD. Stability was improved but very rarely chain dropped too (FD installed and adjusted with factory tool)
Great review . I've been a long time devotee of Shimano, but have SRAM force on one bike for 5 years, Based on that SRAM experience my preference would be to opt for Shimano every day of the week. In my view Shimano has proved better on gear changing, especially under load and for its better braking. Now with the release of the new RED, it looks like these deficits have been addressed to the extent I will get this new groupset
Is there a change in how the brake pistons work? In previous gen SRAM one piston is always extending before the other. Shimano has it so that both pistons are extending at the same time. Did they fix it in the new Red?
I am a little bit disapointed with the group. Really thought that they would drop the weight a little bit more to get near Dura Ace. Happy that the brakes are still on Dot 5.1, so I can use my Hope calipers. Best thing on the group is the new lighter chain and the levers. The rest is boring. I will just buy the levers for my 2nd bike and will switch to Dura Ace for weight resons on my 1st bike.
Shifter design still looks slightly flat on the top. When tilting the hoods in this doesn’t meld ideally with the palm as the palm sits on a ridge. Manufacturers still aren’t designing shifters with a hood tilt in mind.
Love watching your videos reviews and impressions. But I always hated Sram. These levers are so ugly. Always has. So does the groupset as a whole in my opinion. I'll stick to Shimano.
Good review, what I was after and direct and to the point. Lots of content I haven’t seen elsewhere. Personally I would have liked to see a UDH or UDHR (road?) pushed out as an option. Get all the hangers the same.
I look forward to seeing your install of the new levers on you older Sram Red gravel bike. Specifically how the new levers work with older calipers, and if the new levers require a longer hydraulic hose fitment due to the longer reach. Or, if you get both new levers and calipers together, are new calipers needed to optimize the lever improvements.
At the back end of the 10 speed Red production, SRAM introduced a revised version still on 10 speed replaced shortly by the almost identical Red 22, but on 11 speed. I was thinking at launch that this 12 speed Red might just be a place holder until they come up with the 13 speed one. And with the 1x13 gravel prototype spotting that is on the cards.
Sad to see the blip ports go, I have some custom buttons voor my etap 11s simple plugin the port and no extra batteries. How repairable are the new derailleurs? I will keep 11 speed for as long as I can 12 speed AXS made third party chains and chainrings almost impossible
13 Speed later this year!?!?!? - Came across something interesting on online retailers for the 1x aero chainring. In the description says "Compatible with 12-speed and 13-speed drivetrains"
tested Shimano Brake levers and they all are easier to squeeze. im wondering if this Red Is now better or same as previous model. issue between mineral oil or Dot
You are the best reviewer. No bullshit, technical breakdown of everything. Love you my guy.
Cade aren't bad, just the styles are different 👍
legend, all the things i wanted to know that no one was answering in the first 35 seconds: no rim brake, not UDH, and (unfortunately) no mineral oil
I always appreciated how well-structured and concise your reviews/videos are. It’s clear you pay a lot of attention to detail and editing. Thank you as always!
Fast on the post after the embargo lifted, well done Shane
Great summary. No marketing BS just the specs and facts.
My two biggest gripes with SRAM has always been front shifting and DOT fluid. One down, one to go.
Bingo
I always appreciate your honest opinion, Shane.
Aweseome review GPLama!!! thanks so much for taking the effort and answering all questions I had. I have SRAM on gravel like you and Shimano Di2 on Road, I will be open to having this road bike when I get a new one.
The reason imo the FD is black is because my original eTap FD has scratched up slightly and i reckon the dark colour will make that better oh i just love that lever shape already!...
Well I know the embargo lifted at 10 am 😂. Four videos in my feed haha. You get first. Ronnie Kuba did show it off in his new bike video yesterday though haha.
The amount of leaks of this was bullshit to be honest. There’s was a serious lack of professionalism shown by so many with this… all to be first and get the clicks. I fucking hate it.
@@gplama I was wondering that, if the embargo is more for your benefit for that reason, since they threw it out there in the women’s peleton already.
A lot of the pro cycling teams were already using them for a couple of months, strange timing by SRAM
Kuba is a bit of an arrogant plonker. Kind of what you’d expect from him.
I still can’t wrap my head around the unchangeable PM/rings combo
I can't believe the Bonus buttons don't get more love. I use these on my Shimano setups all the time when in the aero hoods position and it's awesome. Being able to shift with you hands draped over the hoods in so useful and anyone that uses the buttons to cycle through a computer is wasting them..
Another instalment of great content. Thanks Shane.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Finally "Di2 buttons" on Sram! The ability to control my Wahoo from the Di2 buttons have long been the main reason why I haven't given SRAM any consideration so far.
As always great review
You beat GCN by one minute for win . Good job .
Wtfk watches them 👎
@@leedorney they were next to GP thumbnail with the new sram red . SRAM must have said you are allowed to release news of the new groupo at a certain time. GP beat them so I was happy he got in first . I haven’t watched there stuff for yrs. I did go back for a while when Oli joined but that didn’t last long. 😆
@@Captinfun101 Maybe they wanted it to be announced for the am in the US?
@@leedorney that makes a lot of sense. 👍🏼
@@Captinfun101 Well the updates are timed for the US market I think, what do you have ?
No Otters where harmed in the making of the new chain 🤣
Yes one of the fuckups that slipped through. Spotted it 45mins before launch as I didn’t have anyone to check it prior.
Really interested in the 160mm crankarms; wondering if those crankarms would be compatible with the previous RED chainrings; or if the new RED crankset will be compatible with the old RED shifters.
I talked to sram about buttons on the top of the levers yrs back to sram, obviously took a while for them to realise 🙄
can i just switch to the new hoods/levers due to the easier braking and leave my other red components the same or would i need to change the whole groupset?
Yep. Backwards compatible.
So up today, there is no way to shift gears with one hand?
You could place a wireless blip on the inside of a new RED lever giving three button access with one hand. Two buttons assigned to rear shifting, one to the front. Job done.
@@gplama Thank you, I keep forgetting about this because you supposedly need to buy this separately. Ability shift with one hand was a reason for me to go with di2 and gave me the ability to ride a road bike
Is it really $2000 better than a full dura ace setup?
You didn't review the power meter? You had one job Shane, one job. 🤣 Review coming soon?
It’s a Quarq. Nothing new within the power meter at all.
@@gplama If it's not broke..don't fix it?
Does anyone know if I can use the new FD on my old Force AXS groupset to get more reliable front shifting? Are the components backwards compatible / interchangeable etc?
Apparently yes.
Yes, fully compatible. I’ve already installed new red FD. Stability was improved but very rarely chain dropped too (FD installed and adjusted with factory tool)
Great review . I've been a long time devotee of Shimano, but have SRAM force on one bike for 5 years, Based on that SRAM experience my preference would be to opt for Shimano every day of the week. In my view Shimano has proved better on gear changing, especially under load and for its better braking. Now with the release of the new RED, it looks like these deficits have been addressed to the extent I will get this new groupset
Is there a change in how the brake pistons work? In previous gen SRAM one piston is always extending before the other. Shimano has it so that both pistons are extending at the same time. Did they fix it in the new Red?
I am a little bit disapointed with the group. Really thought that they would drop the weight a little bit more to get near Dura Ace. Happy that the brakes are still on Dot 5.1, so I can use my Hope calipers.
Best thing on the group is the new lighter chain and the levers. The rest is boring. I will just buy the levers for my 2nd bike and will switch to Dura Ace for weight resons on my 1st bike.
Can you please make a video on using Shimano 12 sp cassette with Sram and vice versa?
No need for a video. They’re technically incompatible. Flattop chains have slightly larger rollers on the chain.
Then don’t use the sram chain. KMC 12 speed job done.
Any news about Wahoo firmware for Kickr v.5?
Nothing yet....
It's incredibile... I bought the cog and the player in January... 😅💩
Shifter design still looks slightly flat on the top. When tilting the hoods in this doesn’t meld ideally with the palm as the palm sits on a ridge.
Manufacturers still aren’t designing shifters with a hood tilt in mind.
At least I know now that campa the only way to go for me
Ew gross
Price?💆♂️🤔
Love watching your videos reviews and impressions. But I always hated Sram. These levers are so ugly. Always has. So does the groupset as a whole in my opinion. I'll stick to Shimano.
Is a skyrocketing price 🙄
Sram, not dropping its chain? Surely not? 😂
Probably just like you shouldn't expect shimano power meters to work, or their cranks not to crack or snap 😂😂
In my opinion Shimano still rules.
It looks much uglier than the previous generation.
Unless SRAM improved the brake modulation, I am out.
yes! but axs’ pure wireless
Fantastic review. To the point, hits all the highlights. Seems like SRAM's updates were a step in the right direction.
Love the summary of key features at the beginning. That's all I wanted/needed to know. Still watching the entire video! :P
Good review, what I was after and direct and to the point. Lots of content I haven’t seen elsewhere. Personally I would have liked to see a UDH or UDHR (road?) pushed out as an option. Get all the hangers the same.
I look forward to seeing your install of the new levers on you older Sram Red gravel bike. Specifically how the new levers work with older calipers, and if the new levers require a longer hydraulic hose fitment due to the longer reach. Or, if you get both new levers and calipers together, are new calipers needed to optimize the lever improvements.
Any issues waxing the new chain with the hollow plates in addition to the hollow pins?
Unlikely to be a problem. I didn't switch the loaner bike over to waxed.
no thanks!
At the back end of the 10 speed Red production, SRAM introduced a revised version still on 10 speed replaced shortly by the almost identical Red 22, but on 11 speed.
I was thinking at launch that this 12 speed Red might just be a place holder until they come up with the 13 speed one. And with the 1x13 gravel prototype spotting that is on the cards.
Looking forward to putting my hands on these in person, especially those top accessory buttons. Those seem like theyre in the perfect spot 👌
Always the best reviews, Cheers!
Sad to see the blip ports go, I have some custom buttons voor my etap 11s simple plugin the port and no extra batteries.
How repairable are the new derailleurs?
I will keep 11 speed for as long as I can 12 speed AXS made third party chains and chainrings almost impossible
And good to see they keept the normal rear derailleur mount no direct mount or other proprietary nonsense
Great review Shane - do we know if the levers are backwards compatible yet?
They’ll work with the previous callipers and AXS components.
Did they change the battery design?
No
13 Speed later this year!?!?!? - Came across something interesting on online retailers for the 1x aero chainring. In the description says "Compatible with 12-speed and 13-speed drivetrains"
One round of speculation ends…. Another begins.
🤣
@@gplama Valtteri Bottas was using the SRAM gravel 13 Speed at Unbound
@@dtdcampbell And there are UA-cam videos and mainstream media covering it. Makes a mockery of any 'embargo' they have around it.
The FD battery is still too big and badly designed. It still interferes with wide tires.
tested Shimano Brake levers and they all are easier to squeeze. im wondering if this Red Is now better or same as previous model. issue between mineral oil or Dot
Wondering if this is the same as the previous Red? Best put them side by side and test them.
50 years after and SRAM still trying to figure out the FD LOL
Maybe one day Shimano will get their power meters right
fcking SRAM, makes UDH now makes group without it! WTF?
Bike manufacturers are saying no to it, at least current road frames are not supporting it
Seems like a GRX copy cat to me?!?;
The lever?
@@gplama yes the lever!
grx levers have good ergonomic