NVIDIA said WHAT about this card?!?
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
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One of the worst kept secrets in recent history is finally on my desk, with nVidia launching the RTX 4070 Super this week. At $599, it features 20% More CUDA cores than the RTX 4070, and according to nVidia, is faster than an RTX 3090.
But, boisterous claims aside, I wanted to find out if we finally have the perfect candidate to upgrade your high end GTX 1080 or RTX 2080 GPU. There hasn't been a GPU under $1000 to get excited about since before 2020, and owners of high end 10 and 20 series cards have been searching for an upgrade path. Is the 4070 Super the GPU you've been looking for, or should you just move along?
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0:00 - Intro
6:25 - 3DMark Synthetic Benchmarks
10:39 - Cyberpunk 2077
12:08 - Project CARS 3
13:22 - Red Dead Redemption 2
14:28 - Spider Man Remastered
15:28 - Tiny Tina's Wonderlands
16:27 - DOOM Eternal
17:52 - Portal with RTX
19:30 - Hogwarts Legacy
21:13 - Starfield
22:21 - Faster than an RTX 3090?
23:47 - Upgrade from GTX 10xx or RTX 20xx?
25:52 - Wrap up
28:09 - Beer Review - Наука та технологія
“Inflation… or corporate profit racketeering”
Finally someone else who understands this particular round of inflation was not actually due to classical cost push or demand pull factors, pure greedflation.
Absolutely thank you for testing the 2080 Ti. I've been pulling my hair out trying to find some solid numbers to compare the 4070S with!
You can look at the 3070 as well, as long as it doesn't run out of VRAM it performs basically like the 2080Ti (except for raytracing I guess)
go to gamers nexus.. they compare the 2080ti in almost all of their charts and they have the most solid testing methodology in mine and many opinions.. its what they pride themselves on.. they also even put in 1080ti comparisons on some charts and ARC series gpus just for good measure.. But I think its going to be the 3070 Ti Super that is of real interest.. the 3080 super bassically is just a reaction too terrible sales because why would you pay for the 3080 which is the same size and had a ridiculous price of 1200 dollars, sadly they the 4080 super is hardly an upgrade.. basically running a full 103 dye, with gains around 5 percent.. they don't want to produce a 3080ti like card, which they did last go round, a card that in gaming was within 1-4 percent of the 3090, the only downfall was the lower vram which should have been at least 16 gigs, but i own a 3080ti and it still shreds through everything.. got one of the last EVGA premium cards.. sad to see that company go.. one of the last great customer service companies, unlike amazon Prime which is becoming an absolute joke and actually stealing from people for returning Prime items that are unopened if they deem them to be of high value... which they dont explicitly set a price at.. there are 800 dollar items that aren't considered high value.. and i've heard of people not being able to return HV Items that cost less then 200 dollars.. do yourself a favor and unless its absolutely necessary, buy off of walmart.com they have just as wide of an inventory honestly, or newegg.. or go out and buy your components from a local store some small places have incredible deals because they are struggling because of amazon.. trust me i worked their.. the way they deliver your items is a travesty.. they just smash everything into about 9-18 totes... into vans with no shelves, and then all these heavy ass totes are ment to stack on each other but they are foldable and cpus and gpus are getting crushed at the bottom most likely and not being able to be returned because its up to the driver to decide weather or not the box is damaged.. and if you don't deliver every package on your route you loose money and routes.. hence the fact of all the amazon lawsuits for workers rights violations and why its just easier to go out and buy something in a store like REI;.. you have 1 year to return an item.. doenst even have to be defective.. and then there are the 3rd party sellers on amazon that put the "prime" logo on their store, and in recent months people have been creating stores and selling high value items... that didn't exist, and got away with it because Prime used to be free fast shipping and returns with no questions.. now your at a huge risk of just being robbed if you buy something expensive.. or having it come crushed because they outsource all of their delivery's to DSPs which are 3rd party delivery companies that report too amazon and are under insanely strict and unrealistic guidelines that force their employees to lie about safety protocols to their dsp provider so that they can keep trucks on the road and my poor bosses would have to bassically lie and force us to do this with every truck every morning so they would get paid.. Amazon is quite litterally evil.. buy direct from people.. ive worked for UPS and my god, most people work their untill they retire because the job is so good and they are treated so well.. and in turn they treat your packages well.. and your on the same route ever day which you arnt for "amazon" oh and god forbid if you got hurt.. you have to lie and say in the app that the truck is up to 100 percent safe or they ground it.. even though they dont have basic safety features, which lead me to herniate two discs in my back.... my older brother who deals with large malpractice suites and things of that nature bassically said that amazon is untouchable after looking into a claim for workers comp.. the only way it happens is if you get massive class action suites, and they are brushing those off like its no one buisness. Sorry for the long message.. i just needed to vent and maybe stop one person from buying parts from amazon that you can buy locally or from B&H, best buy.. New egg.. anywhere really. we all need to change the paradigm and our dependence on their platform.
The 2080Ti aged like a champ! No less thanks to its 11GB of framebuffer.
@@Kakaroti Honestly it really has. If it wasn't for the fact I'm really digging the new AV1 encoding and starting to explore using RTX a bit more, I would be perfectly happy 😁
The XFX 6900xt Limited Black XTXH equipped card is the best gpu I have ever owned. Bought it for $900 new two years (ish) ago after selling off my previous 6800xt for $1000 and its replacement the 3080ftw3 for $1200 (wasn't scalping BTW!). I made the mistake of moving up to 4k and bought the M32U the night it released at $800 which is why I bought the 3080ftw3 since it slightly beat out the 6800xt in most games, once I realized I'd have to buy every flagship to keep up with games at that resolution I sold it off for $550 and got a new Dell s2721dgf for$300 and scored a LG 32gp83b(best buys $500 32gp850 clone) for $100...
I love seeing older top tier hardware being compared to newer mid tier hardware. Thanks for a great review!!!
That 4070 Ti Super and 4080 Super will be the upgrade for many 2080/1080 Ti users. I myself went from a 2060 KO to a 4080 Suprim X.
i have a 1080 what is the best upgrade like a 3070
3070 is a bad buy unless you find it for $300 or less. 4070 Super/7800XT is your best bet.@@psiklops71
For why? All this upgrades are a waste. 10 series owners should be upgrading now. I can play 4k 60 using DLSS on a 2060 with a lot of titles. Just lowering the settings you won't notice it the difference when you're gaming.
Upgraded from 3070ti to 6900xt few days ago, 6900xt got for 500$. Perfect deal.
If I had a 2080 ti, I’d be be pretty content ngl, especially with the 1440p numbers it’s hauling
Anything that uses the “catch fire” 12V-HPWR connector is something I’ll be avoiding…
This card doesn't pull anywhere near enough power to melt those connectors you could power this with 1 8pin. Only the 4090 does and should be avoided. heck the 4080 super is safe from this. Feel like the 16 pin is a 300w connector max for what it is. The 4090 is the only card from the 40 series that pulls way beyond this in games.
Picked up a used 3090 for $650 last June, still not mad about it!
Same. I picked up my 3090 around the same time for $700, cleaned and repasted it, and it’s been phenomenal. Also great for AI stuff. I have no interest in a 40 series.
That's a helluva deal considering how well it performs still compared to the new lot of cards.
@@MiddleofKnowhere oh yeah at 1440p (x2) it's absolutely phenomenal. I feel no need to get 40 series, will happily wait for either 50 series or for AMD to get off their asses and make something worth upgrading to.
I just picked up at 3090 with an ek water block for 375. 🤣
@@cinebenjamin doubt
the thing i don't like about that card is the 12GB VRAM buffer at $600, especially since i like to play around with tensorflow and want to keep my GPU for at least 5 or so years I'd rather have 16GB or more, tho by the time I have the money to upgrade my desktop it'll be late 2024 so blackwell might be right around the corner
Thanks for including the Pascal card in there. Gives me a reference for my 1080 Ti.
Thank you for putting the 2080!! It was nice to see that somehow this card keeps chugging along with minimal hiccups.
Can't wait to see where the 7600 XT fits into these charts. Which I love the formatting of them this go around. A lot of data but presented in a very clean fashion.
From the looks of the specs, just above the 7600 with an exception to >8GB runs. Most likely the 7600XT will be the difference between medium and high textures. It's AMD's own 4060ti 16GB, a tiny die with a bus too small to really leverage the huge VRAM pool. If it was 10GB 160-bit or 12GB 192-bit like the 7700XT it'd be a different story I think.
Well you see how well the 6900XT performs and for the money you could even get a 6950XT for the same price now.
Thanks for this video. I found it baffling how none big tech reviewers that I read except TechPowerUp had the 3090 in their GPU lineups consider the claim Nvidia made.
Seemed like a really obvious test point to me.
The 3090 ti wasn't even that fast to be fair. It was basically 10% more performance of a 3080 ti. The vram is only really good for ai, it's a 12 gb card woth 24 gbs of vram. And the 4070 ti which the 4070 super performs roughly the same as for less money. Which means that unless you want to do a ton of work in stable diffusion the double vram is useless.
@@spooderderg4077 3080ti is NOT RTX3080, 3080ti came later and was a replacement for 3090, kind of 3080 Super. So no wonder that 3090ti wasnt much faster then 3090 with the 3080ti name tag.
@@spooderderg4077 dude , stop the bullshit. when it came out in 2020 the 3090 was blazingly fast. you look at it running games from that year and prior and it's still a fast card. sure it's not that fast now in comparison ... but it's a 3 year old card. in 3 years time the 4090 won't be that fast either. so just knock it off with bullcrap saying it wasn't that fast of a card.
@@spooderderg4077 Resident Evil Village uses around 12GB in VRAM or more... If you had a 3080 then you experience massive frame drops during some scenes in RE8. 10GB 3080 wasn't enough. RE is one of my favorite game series, so if i listen to ppl saying 24GB is too much and all you need is 10GB, then I would of been an upset camper... 24GB is not just for AI and video editors, it's also for people that know how to game and push their hardware with max RT, settings and resolution.
4070 super unfortunately only has 12GB of VRAM, otherwise it would be easier to recommend paying up. I believe that 12GB will limit the "lasts multiple generations into the future" argument, but people can feel free to disagree with me. (That's only 1GB more VRAM than a 1080 Ti, 7 years later!)
the RTX 3080 only had 10GB tho. Ask me how I know :P
VRAM used in testing at 1440P
Cyberpunk: 6.25GB
Cyberpunk w/RT: 8.75GB
DOOM Eternal: 8.25GB
DOOM Eternal w/RT: 8.5GB
Hogwarts: 6.0GB
Hogwarts w/RT: 6.0GB
Project CARS 3: 4.2GB
Portal with RTX: 6.0GB
Red Dead 2: 6.0GB
Spider Man: 7.8GB
Spider Man w/RT: 8.25GB
Starfield: 5GB
Tiny Tina: 4.75GB
12GB is plenty for the resolution people will be using this at.
@@darkain Yeah I think the 4070 super will end up in similar territory soon. Strong, but could use a little more VRAM for longevity.
To be fair, 8GB of vram was fine for the longest time unless you were trying to run performance intensive games in 4k at higher settings. I am not sure about 4k or RTX, but 12GB should at least be enough for a respectable 2k raster experience for a while, that's not even including the massive amount of less performance intensive games which will run just fine on any gaming gpu with GTX 1070 performance/specs or better.
I think the screwed up. They could of easily added more Vram with the new cards to fix the problem.
I'm still perfectly happy running my 1080ti for the moment. Going to hold off until the 50 series hits, potentially even longer.
I want to upgrade from my RTX 3060 12GB but with the recent release of FSR mods on recent games, I'm really wondering if I won't wait a bit longer... 🤔
The problem is I love Ray Tracing, and even if I only play @ 1080p, I have some big fps drops on some games...
Elegantly done . . . really appreciate a lot of context for purchase Decision-Making. Bravo 👍😎❤
Selfishly, I want to see some numbers for a virtual gaming use case: specifically using proxmox and streaming via parsec on a smaller subset of cards. This is a very niche use case, but I think you're uniquely positioned to provide those numbers to the dozens of us who care. I'm using a 3060 12GB right now and am interested in what my next gently used or new upgrade splurge will be.
Looking at making that happen 😉
@@CraftComputing Is not for gaming, but a similar situation: at our studio, we have a testing rig with various GPUs where we conduct final tests for 3D/AR/VR software before release. We launch different VMs with distinct OS and varying GPU combinations using passthrough and streaming to another computer on the same local network (10GBE). This solution is employed in real-world scenarios where conditions prevent having the computing machine in the same location as the operator (medical, industrial, etc.). Performances are typically 2-3.5% lower than with the same bare-metal configuration.
@@CraftComputing Great idea and very much looking forward to that kind of video.
Having that said, I'm curious about how much there is to your claim that using PCIE Gen. 3 will come with a performance cost, as my "Girl for everything" PC is an aging Dell R730xd that is running Proxmox and on that is hosting a heckload of stuff, starting with Truenas, Plex, user remote workstations, etc. and ending with PiHole.
Considering this, I do still have a Gen3 x16 slot available in there and if I could upgrade these remote workstations to actual game stations, that'd be amazing, as I'm gaming a lot more casual within the WarThunder, PUBG and World of Warships era, currently with a GTX980TI in a dedicated 8700K gaming system.
Let us see the numbers, and I'll decide if I'll give it a try =D
I have a 3060 12GB. I'd be interested in building a dual racing sim system. Not remote gaming but two games on one PC using Proxmox.
Definitely going to wait for 5000 series before I consider replacing my 2080S, especially now that frame generation has become available to it, thanks to AMD.
Thanks to AMD? 😂😂😂😂 man gotta love fanboys
@@shaolin95Are you really a AMD fanboy, if you run a 2080S in your personal rig? Or do you just throw that word around to anyone who doesn't proclaim absolute loyalty and subservience to the brand you feel a need to tribalistly defend?
@@shaolin95 Bro nvidia is not a religion, you can use other software features not available on your GPU without angering the nvidia god.
@@shaolin95 What are you on about? FSR is open to any GPU maker, if it is Nvidia, AMD or Intel.
Even more so under Linux where you can enable it on any game thanks to Valve's Gamescope, although for Nvidia users that is currently broken... Thanks to Nvidia and their drivers being subpar.
Still hanging on to my 3090. The 4090 would be a decent performance upgrade, but I’m not buying into the “cracked PCIe connector” or “power connector melted” problem.
I’ll buy back in when AMD and Nvidia both have their next gen available.
Maybe “skip every other gen” is now a viable upgrade tactic. The RTX 2000 series is the first gen I’ve skipped since the Riva 128.
I agree whole heartedly. Skipping a gen given how rapidly they seem to be trying to shove new hardware. The average person can't ever hope to keep up.
The insane power draw & GDDR6X. AMD is smart enough to leave that alone for now.
@@charsiuwu8084It was much faster in the old days. I had a Riva 128. It could barely run Half-Life, which only came out a year after its release. Tech has actually slowed down a lot in recent years, which is why it’s become pointless to do constant upgrades. You’re only getting marginal benefits at a high premium.
I agree. Had a Titan XP and just picked up a used 3090 for 550. I plan on using this till 5090 or whatever it is called has reliable stock… Atleast 4 years.
As a non-gamer that uses my GPU to do graphics and calculations I would like to see how this compares for work. Tasks such as mass photo corrections/re-sizing or CAD style processes that some of us offload to our GPU's.
What that misses is a comparative graph of powerdraw.
The cost of running these cards compared to the frames they manage to spit out. On that front, the 4070S would be waaaay ahead of the 3090.
Hey Jeff...I have a 3090 in my gaming rig, so not changing that out. What I am looking for is a good bang for the buck GPU for video editing and transcoding. Any thoughts?
I disagree totally, I just built an Intel build with an ASROCK A580 and I’m shocked at how nice this card runs for 200 after taxes and shipping at Newegg
Sitting here with my 2080ti+10% OC thinking I may keep it a bit longer. Drop a couple settings down from ultra, add DLSS, and you've made up the difference. However, I will say the 4070 Ti Super is tempting. You did a good job with this review, thanks Jeff!
The 4070 super is only 7% better value than 3080. They compared it to 3090 because it was the more expensive card, but for half the price you got 90% of the performance.
Personally I wouldn't be okay paying so much money to get a card with only 9% more Vram and 4% more memory bandwidth than a 1080Ti from 7 years ago. Its easy to get high fps when you're not rendering textures.
Don't buy any card right now, we've heard supposedly battlemage from intel is targeting 4080 performance for around 500 dollars, Nvidia and AMD'S next generation may target 4080 performance for under 500 also.
Made up the difference in frames sure, but not stability.
@@PyromancerRift The 3090 still has much over even the 4070Ti Super, in non-gaming tasks.
how many times will it need to be reballed?
Thanks for testing the 2080ti I have one. Ducktaped fan gets to stay one more generation.
why did you crank the volume though
My i7 4770k and gtx 980ti, are still chucking along, although not beyond 1080p in AAA games. Soon I’ll be gaming at 480p widescreen, with pc hooked up to my Loewe VGA crt tv.
LOL😆. Im thinking of building that pc only with 4790k for my ibm p260.
How is the new studio going?
Hi great video but can you help me i wanna upgrade my 3060ti and i'm on ryzen 7 5800x with 850 w psu what's a good card for a upgrade from team red ?
I’d be interested in seeing the CPU bottlenecks video. I have an i7 8700K and 1080ti in my system which I built in 2017. Although I’m not looking to upgrade anytime soon. Still very happy with the gaming performance of my system.
Really good video. I think you're doing a really good job with this content. I was curious about your opinion on my current setup. I recently upgraded my system to a 7800x3d and my psu in anticipation of a higher power gpu. I currently have a 3070ti(only card i could get my hands on at MSRP during the gpu-pocalypse a few years ago). I'm planning to sell it to a friend for 350, and I have the disposable income to spend on a 4080 super. Do you feel like that is just overkill for 1440p 180 hz? I plan to upgrade to a 1440p 360hz oled when they become a little more reasonably priced and more developed. I realize that future proofing for an upgrade that could be years off is dumb but I just was curious what you or others think about that. I know that I'll enjoy that overkill fps even if i can't see all of it.
Based on what I'm seeing here, if you want to guarantee 1440P 180Hz 100% of the time, at max settings, the 4080 Super is probably what you want. Overkill? Sure. But the 4070 Super and 4070 Ti didn't average 180 across my 1440p testing, and they had DOOM pulling in almost 400 FPS to help that average out.
@@CraftComputing Very true, I'll probably end up going with the 4080 super then. Thanks for your input!
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Great video! I snagged the 4070 super just now to upgrade my old 1070. It's really struggling to play at 1440p on recent ish games.
I switched to a 7800 xt when I saw the prices here in Canada for the 40 series. This would be very compelling, but for me a little too little too late.
A friend told me that having switched to an RTX 3060 12GB from a VEGA 56 that he much prefers the NVidia driver settings. This was simply an upgrade for him, he did not switch brands for a reason and was surprised by the difference. What's your experience?
@@wayland7150 I actually moved from the 3060 because my wife wnted to upgrade from a 1070, so we moved the cards down the line.
I had some initial issues with the AMD software suit because it had some errors, twlling me my drives didn't have enough space for an installation.
Besides that it's smoth sailing. I stream as a hobby and have had zero issues with the AMD codecs, and rendering video in filmora has improved hand over fist, but thats to be expected with the shift in vram and overall performance.
I love how AMD's last gen 6900 XT is keeping up with the new 4070 S in most of these benchmarks; even paralleling the 3090.
SAME using 6950xt and the beast just keeps on giving even when slightly underclocked to reduce power usage.
I was planning to do a complete platform upgrade this spring from my Ryzen 5000 desktop. Instead I'm going to hold onto it, installing an RTX 4060 that I got open box for $230. That will be more than enough to get me by until the next generation of CPUs and GPUs are announced later this year/early next.
Where'd you get that open box 4060?
@@dotxyn Best Buy
I'm holding out with a used 4060 Ti myself, bought within a month of its release. I actually really like this card. It is extremely cool, quiet and efficient, even though I have the very cheapest Asus model. I've never had a GPU run at 38°C idle lol, let alone fanless. (and no, the temp doesn't rise). Under load it does get up to max 64°C with the default, inaudible fan speeds.
@@saturnotakudamn you got am amazing deal! 230 for the 4060 is fair considering its a 1660 ti with Ray tracing (both have 24 SM but 4060 has 2GB more)
im going to do like 1/2 ai 1/2 gaming... should I get a 3090 or a 4080/super?
Your glasses are crooked on the right side and I can't stop seeing it 😂
thanks for the video, great content as always.
I wish you had the 7800XT in there as that's the current gen card and my amd choice if i don't go nvidia for my next gpu.
*Issue is 12gigs of VRAM will stutter like mad on most triple A games so a 24gig older cards a lot better value cause even if settings have to be lowered at least the textures can stay maxed and this matters as new games really look good at all settings as long as the textures is fine*
I imagine they didnt discontinue the 4070 becasue shops have mountains of them in stock that they can't sell, and nvidia probably has warehouses full of them as yet unshipped.
I think the 4070 Ti Super is the way to go. I‘m gonna buy one before they are sold out and the prize goes to 1000$
I went from Titan Xp to 4080, was a solid upgrade. Did not go the 4090 route because of the melting connector problems of the 4090. 20gb 102 card would have been nice.
Glad you ran this against multiple older flagships. I picked up a used 3090 a while back but it outpaces your 4070 Ti in synthetics and the 2 games in your test suite that I have also I have played by 5-15 %. Knowing where it stands against current gen parts makes me feel a lot better about my used purchase, even if I love the look of the 4070 Super and the much lower power draw. Great balanced review as always, appreciate your approach to these!
I only recently bought a 3090 for its 24GB and memory performance. The 3090 will always beat the 4070/Super/Ti in anything if more than 12GB is needed. Probably not relevant to gaming tasks specifically now, but it would matter in the future.
Damn that 6900XT is still a beast. Take that Novideo
RTX Remix is Path Tracing FYI. 40 Series specific SER, and OMM play HUGE here.
The 4070 Super IS NOT the interesting card in the refresh lineup. That'll be the 4070 Ti Super. Why? Increase in value with over 20% uplift and the longevity the 16gb and increased bus bring to the table. This 4070 Super is a market shafter
I was holding out to see how the 4070 ti Super performed before deciding before upgrading from my 3060ti, but idk if that’s necessary anymore. The only game that worries me is my modded Skyrim. The 8GB of the 3060ti is struggling and I’m not sure if 12 will be enough either
idk why they wouldn't advertize it as trading blows with the 3090, they've done it in the past, a lot. and always felt like a great spot to buy stuff at.
currently still on a 2070, holding its own at 1080 high fps. accepting the fact that my next upgrade will probably require a whole new desktop and new monitors
thank you for this, was literally in the process of picking a new GPU to handle my new 1440p monitor and was considering a 4070. I will wait it out however, either to get a super or a discounted 4070. cheers!
If it had 16GB it would be a no brainer. As it is it's just mildly more interesting than the 4070 and 7800XT.
I liked the video, but did want to say that the 3090 didn't debut at $1,600, it was $1500, only the 4090 was $1,600 at launch. Just a small correction, albeit a minor one. Enjoyed the video regardless. Cheers
I bought a 6900 XT at the end of 2022 for $600. The 4070ti or 4070 did not exist. If I had not made that upgrade, I would grab a 4070 Super today.
Dude, $600 for a 6900XT is a great deal, especially over a year ago. Enjoy it!
The 4070 and super variant are 1080/1440p cards. Even if they had 16gb of vram they would never use it. They simply aren’t powerful enough. My 4090 with things maxed at 4k only pulls 15/16gb max. For video editing yeah the extra vram is nice. But for gaming, it wouldn’t make a difference in these cards. Hell even the 4080 doesn’t use its full vram and has a lot more power than the 4070
Just wondering if you checked power usage at different load levels? Big Green is touting the power efficiency of the 40 cards and I would like to know how much less power it is using to get that 3090 performance, if it is in fact lower.
I believe the 3090 was pulling 350W during gaming, while the 4070 Super was at 220W. Those are from memory, and I didn't record full system draw. What I can tell you is the 4070 Super was by far the lightest on power draw out of the 6 cards in this video.
Can i ask how you managed to see more than 120fps @ 4k on anything? you have a faster than 120hz 4k monitor?
Wdym?
So long as you don't lock your frames to your monitor's refresh rate, your fps can be any number. It just won't show every frame that your hardware generates on your display if you don't have the refresh rate for that.
In some old games you can actually go up to thousands of fps with modern hardware.
I'd love to see the 1080 TI FE drop in price. I've been wanting one for the fun of it.
Pity that in Australia, the 4070 Super retails for almost the equivalent of US$800 whilst the 4070 is typically available in Australia for US$ 540. Otherwise the 4070 Super would make sense if it were available in Australia at the American MSRP
the 4070 is still 540USD + in the US as well. msrp doesn't mean it will actually be that price.
i'll wait for the next gen cards and stick with my 3060ti for 1080p gaming...
I purchased a 3090 for the vram if the 4070 super had more I maybe would have waited. But this was well before the supers were known for sure.
just as i told my best friend, the 4070 S wouldnt be a good upgrade path if you have a 3090. you might as well go 4090, for any real gains. which is why ive stay with mine despite wanting to try the new rt settings.
A 4070S would be a downgrade vs a 3090.
@@jasonhurdlow6607 exactly, my friend heard them say it beats the 3090. and i was like i highly doubt it beats it across the board
If you get a new card, it's gotta be one that gives you a substantial leap in performance. "Upgrading" to a card that delivers about the same performance is quite pointless. Unless you're made of money, it's best to skip a generation if you have a flagship GPU. Considering that the 4070 Super is even a thought that crosses your mind, though, I doubt that you are made of money, though. Otherwise you'd already probably have a 4090 already.
reminds me of when the 3070 launched at 175-225w stock and competed with the 2080ti at 1440p...4k is where the extra vram won. Otherwise the thermals and TDP comparison was also a huge QOL upgrade in system thermals. 4070S for a card that competes with 3080ti and 3090 depending on the game or api/engine and res is pretty price competitive on a generational standpoint from pure frame yield to TDP aspect. ESP from an itx/sff standpoint for those users.
just drink through the respins - the best advice
You should've also put the overall games test with rt enabled still good video tho
IMO, both the OG 40-series and the 40XX Super cards are/will be good to great products - it's the pricing that's the problem. I'm currently on a Gigabyte 4070 Gaming OC and I'm very happy with the card in most scenarios (I only use a 1440p monitor), but I would like a bit more performance for flight-sims in VR. For that, I was looking at the 4070 Super, but I fear it just won't be worth the trouble of selling the "old" card and getting that new card, seeing its performance uplift over the 4070. I fear that if I do upgrade to another 40xx card it would have to be the 4070 Ti Super (although I still hate that name).
It's not that I truly need more than 12GB of VRAM for what I do on my PC, but having 16 certainly wouldn't hurt. Thing is: Seeing the prices vendors in my country demand for the 4070 Super, I fear that the Ti Super will be in near ludicrous territory WRT price. And it's not like they've slashed prices on the outgoing cards like the 4070 Ti, either. Whose level of performance would be enough for my needs, I think - but with the Ti Super nearly here, I would only buy that one at a healthy discount.
Would definitely like to see bottlenecks in future videos. I am still rocking an 8700K and a 1080 FE with no complaints, but the 1080 is showing its age.
RX6700 XT is calling 😂
@@erikbritz8095 I'm still using a Ryzen 5 2600 and a 5700xt I wish I had the power of that 6700xt
@@darkzim3872 someday man
@@darkzim3872 You'll get a big performance boost by upgrading to a RYZEN 7 5700x or 5800x3D. Your current CPU is holding back your GPU. A RYZEN 5700x is about £160.
@@wayland7150 I am planning to get a new pc
i got my GTX 1080 maybe a year after they were released, and its been a great card since then but its really showing its age in some newer games. Been thinking of going with a used 3080 12gb, as some games i play could use more VRAM and having the overhead would be nice. Was really trying to stay $500 USD or less but the 4070S is really appealing. What cards would anyone recommend for around $500 new or used? Open to AMD as well.
i'd just pony up to the newer card, that's just raster performance, there's better DLSS, RT, and like half the power consumption.
Only the power efficiency and the AV1 codec make the RTX 4070 Super an attractive card,
but otherwise if you still have an RTX3090 you can still enjoy the larger amount of VRam.
Especially if you need more VRam.
5:07 I hate it when people say "sorry" when they're not sorry. Don't do that. It's a bad look.
The only thing about the 3090 is the 24GB VRAM which is double the amount of 4070 super and might be a bottleneck if you use it for something else than gaming. Where I cannot recommend enough the 40 series is the power consumption as the 3090 packs 350W and the 4070 super max at 220W which is over 100W difference. I'm currently experimenting with undervolt though on my 3090 to reduce power draw when rendering.
Every time I think I've found my upgrade path a better card shows up on the horizon. I'll upgrade this Voodoo2 one day.
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In EU this card is around 670€ which is 731$. How insane is it that the price is 70$ less than USA 4070ti...
What I learned from this video is that nothing can take advantage of the crazy 4k 350fps oled monitors that are being pushed right now. Probably keep my 2080 super until the 6000 series comes out or maybe even longer.
Why would you learn that from this video?
@@steviewonder0850 because the fps numbers are already low enough to make me reduce the settings at 4k, I expect the next few generations to focus on improving 4k performance enough to change that fact. Even just getting the 0.1% to 75-100fps would get to the performance I'd want to see to convince me that the longevity of the card is going to be worth the money.
My next upgrade I think will be a monitor and card at the same time, and looking at high end monitor prices... $1500 for both is probably the price :/.
@@jasperwilliams5729 But none of these cards are really high end in this video, still confused.
@@steviewonder0850the price raises too fast beyond the 4070 super for me.
I see in other videos that a 4090 meets my expectations, but costs $1600.
The market is just not right for me yet. Doesn't mean it isn't right for someone else.
im currently using intel i7-11700F do you think it will work fine with RTX 4070 Ti Super on PSU 650 G?
Should work great!
I wasn’t buying the faster than 3090 claim.
To be fair, it is really close. But yes, they should have stopped short of saying 'faster'.
Class Action lawsuit viable ? False Marketing @@CraftComputing
No, because in some tests, the 4070S is faster.
Smart GPU chart 😊
Still on my 2080ti and honestly i don’t feel rushed into upgrading
I'm still stuck on a 3080 10GB, literally can not find a card worth upgrading to; seems like a really underrated card for price to performance honestly.
RTX 3080 is a good GPU wait for the RTX 5000 series or maybe 6000 don't waste your money for little upgrade
If I was in your shoes, I'd be looking at the RX 6900XT (around $500ish) or RX 6950XT ($600ish). I upgraded from a 1070 to a 3090 for the 24gb's of GDDR6X, it was definitely worth it. Both RX cards have 16gb's and more
I am waiting for the 4080 Super to get some comparisons to my 3080 ftw3 or equivelant cards. I struggle with my 49" ultrawide in cyberpunk.
Is there explanation for 6900 XT low fps 1% in cyberpunk??
The whole stack needs a price shuffle, but with the trade restrictions in China and the jump in cost of the 4090, this just feels like throwing a bone to the poor slobs that aren't making Nvidia's bank through AI sales. It seems as if Nvidia is pricing the 40 series on opportunity cost, as though each Geforce GPU's price is based on what Nvidia would prefer to use those dies for--H100s.
Yes, amazingly enough the run a business which aims to make as much money as possible. Why everyone expects them to sell cards for half price and ignore billions in the server market is beyond my comprehension.
There are already 4070 Super cards at $700-$900 on Amazon. I think part of the purpose of the Super is to sell regular 4070 cards, with people thinking they are close in performance.
Any chance you want to include Thunderbolt 3/4 bottlenecks in that PCI / CPU study?
the grid with percentages is so annoying, maybe consider having the from top to bottom stay the same in the % as well, like 6900 XT is not -12.3% but 112,3% and have the 4070S as 100%...
4070S draws what 225 watts to get 95% the performance of a 3090? Since when were new generation 70 series cards on par with the previous generations 90 series?
got a 6800xt red devil almost new for 370 euros ... so i guess i will wait some years too until upgrade ,maybe until 60 series idk
Doom eternal only uses reflections for rt. The only level where the raytracing shows visible changes is cultist base.
Still took 40% of my performance in level 1....
7900 XT on sale at Newegg right now for 709
Dang!
I have r5 5600x with rtx 3080ti - is 4070super a better upgrade?
Absolutely not. Keep what you have.
I great review actually useful for an average user. Great format and content.
Got my 3090 when GPU prices crashed for 900€ so I think I still got a good deal here
You didn't
Claiming it was faster than the 3090 is like claiming the 3060 is faster than the 4060 because it beats it in some games and had a better bus width. The hyperbole would get a pass if they had not been so awful in the integrity department to consumers for the last half decade or more, with a steady ramp up of disingenuousness from year to year.
FSR 3 is going to really extend the life of the 3090
Bought a 3090 TI AIO for $1600 right b4 the 4090 got released, and regret not being patient enough to wait a couple more months for the 4090. Wanting to upgrade from 1440p to 4K, but now can't afford the $2k+ for a 4090. Looks like I still won't be doing that until the 50 series.
Same boat
Broooooo 😱😱😱,talking about slap in the face........
It was said back then, and I'm repeating it now: the 3090 is a Titan-class GPU, which is precisely how Jensen introduced it during the launch event. My interpretation is the 4070S is what the 3090 should have been, at the price it should have been, three years too late. Now, I actually wanted the compute muscle so I'm happy with the 3090, but it's no secret that NVidia dropped the Titan label precisely so it would sell to moneyed gamers instead of pro users, creating strong demand for a product that didn't even fit their needs.
Boy do you have unreasonable and unrealistic expectations.
Last time I was this early, there weren't really any comments in the comments section
So behind on stress tests but on par or a bit better on 1440 gaming. Also with a 220w tdp instead of a 350w tdp. Still too much $$.
So buy a used 3090 for the same price and get extra vram...
If you're comfortable buying used and have the need for 24GB, and are ok with the increased power draw, absolutely a great option.
@CraftComputing well in kuwait a kW is only 0.029usd so electricity isnt a problem and since i sell pcs for profit as a side job i see no problem in buying used and i can definitely tell if something is used correctly or been abused (like if it wasnt cared for u can find excessive thermalpad leaks or high temps under normal load).
The 4070 super for 600 is bit too much and i think a 500usd price would have made it a good deal.. basically the same as the 3070 msrp
Still, it would have been nice if you included AMD's 7800XT.
I think you inadvertently had frame gen on in your portal benchmark, it would explain a lot. There's no way those cards can hit those frames with full path tracing on.
Also these benchmarks go to show that 4k is a pretty dumb resolution, absolutely nothing wrong with 1440p or 1800p, and DLSS is really great if you want to upscale to 4k from 1440p