The Somme - Sneak Peek Part II
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- Опубліковано 22 чер 2007
- www.imdb.com/title/tt0489278/
www.amazon.co.uk/Somme-Tilda-S...
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I agree, Andy, both forced into this game of chess while the kings stood back and played the pawns and the board.
God bless all who died.
Whats even stupider is the fact that the enemy then did the exact same thing in return.
The young soldier was hit and unable to carry on, he crawled to the bottom of a shell hole, he was able to get under his blanket and pull out his New testament,
he was found weeks later still clutching it.
This happened thousands of times.
According to Sgt. Ernest Bryan of 17th Battn. King's Liverpool Regiment they followed a creeping barrage on July 1st 1916 ( the first day of the Battle of the Somme). The problem was that the barrage did not lift when they reached the enemy and they couldn't tell which side was shelling them. Info from " Forgotten Voices of the Somme" by Joshua Levine
Good book
A number of issues:
1. Rifles are wrong, they're WW2 era No. 4 rifles with Pattern 1907 bayonet adapters
2. Small Box Respirators were not widely issued until well after the Somme, troops would have been issued PH Hoods in bags strapped at the side, not the front
3. The large valise pack would have been left behind after the early campaigns of 1914, only retrived behind the lines
4. The German Lieutenant (Kassel), as per his photo collection left to the IWM shows that he wore glasses
5. I don't see a single set of wire cutters, bandoliers, or Lewis Gun sections. Good luck actually making any progress through Fritz lines!
Still, good dramatic effect and documentary. Lest we forget
The screaming that you hear at 6:16 seems so real. I can’t imagine the real life horror that this war produced. Those who survived must have seen unspeakable horror.
I read that in addition to the belief that there would be no resistance after the barrage, the point of walking in was that everyone would arrive at the objective at the same time and not be so winded from running that they couldn't fight or occupy the trench.
Rip Cyril Joes. 1899-1984. He was the kid featured at the beginning.
@Kettch23 Correct. It was also used for decoration and served as a ventilator for the helmet. It's kind of funny how people always assume the spike was meant to be a weapon. The spikes are thin brass; you'd end up breaking it before you hurt anyone with it.
Just a bonus, German artillerymen had pickelhaubes with a ball on top instead of a spike (symbolizing a cannonball.)
I went to the Somme battlefields last December
Hearing that whistle knowing that it's time to go would be worse than the guns themselves. At least I think it would be.
One of the finest strangest and sweetest and saddest parts of the Somme battle England took the largest casualties but also deployed the Buddy brigades which was a way to boost enrollment by having people from the same town who were friends with each other joined together and trained as a group.
It's everything honorable and Despicable about war.
Britain, not England.
@@scaleyback217 Well said john👍English myself and 100%right of you.
They were called pals Battalions,recruited together from the same streets, Bradford pals, Accrington pals etc.
My grandfather fought in the somme he was injured by shrapnel and gassed but survived many thanks for showing this film
@Kettch23
At the same time it allowed for country/side identification. It was later removed for the M90 helmet standard, but any of those who still had it would occasionally use it as a melee weapon after sharpening the the spike in their trenches.
Engage trainspotter mode: at 1:26 and 4:11 the soldiers are carrying Lee Enfield No.4 Mk1 rifles that were not introduced until 1941. The blade-type bayonets fitted to those rifles were introduced towards the end of WW2.
Someone else posted the whole show on youtube, you have to look around a bit but it is there and yes the name is simply "The Somme"
*getting shot by machine gun fire*
lets just keep on walking guys!
that's right lads. Walk across the fields with no cover into the firing line. old tactics against new weapons
3 of my Great Grandas were in that. This programme can only portray so much.
They were worn on some ceremonial parades and for some special guards like at funerals and painted black for that pupose. I have only seen them on prewar images and very early in the war.
It amazes me how they retro fitted the sword bayonets to the no4s also.
exactly, it follows Omaha beach mg emplacement ideologies from WWII as well. It's the enfilading cross fire that create deadly fields of fire, it's near impossible to tell where the fire will come at you from
This show has been aired on TV (Channel 4) but as far is I know it wasn't released on DVD.
*MG starts firing*
Nah, nevermind, fellas, let's just keep casually walking straight to the death.
Couldn't agree more. Basically they said "hey look at these awesome modern armies!! Let's try them out."
German Defenders: "GOT MIT UNS!"
Attacking British: "WE GOT MITTENS TOO!"
@trooper59 That and also it was used as a melee weapon if they lost their rifle or something.
they also thought the barbed wire would be destryed and from the photos they took (ariel) it appeared they had because it was very accurate shelling..but it just didn't work.
and they also all had to reach the german line at the exact same time
so they all walked at the same pace and set of at slightly different times depending on how far they had to walk
tHE FACIAL EXPRESSION IS SOOOOOO DETAILED! VERY GOOD ACTORS
WWI: The Forgotten War, The Forgotten Young Boys, The Forgotten Cruel Memory & The Forgotten History
It was a made for T.V. docudrama in the UK you could probably get it on DVD if you look around the net.
fliping great film
LEAST WE FORGET
Lest*
Were they actually fitting bayonets while still in the trenches ? I thought I read somewhere they realized after a while it was a dangerous tactic, as people would get hurt while climbing out of the trench.
Agreed. They should really show the daisycutters or shit like that in a movie.
The nasty crap that sends shrapnel everywhere, or the results of inhaling gas, instead of just someone coughing a bit.
But i like that they read original letters with the feelings of soldiers, and it's well-acted for the rest.
Reading Churchills the World Crisis 1911-1918 and it makes interesting reading. The allies really played into the Germans hands all the way through the war until 1918. The idea was to wear them down but a look at the statistics shows that the Germans kill rate was unsurpisingly double that of the Allies. The tables were only turned ironically when the Germans felt confident enough to go on their great Spring Offensive in 1918 and lost 800,000 men.
Just grab it from the mirror posted in the video info. I don't think it can be bought on DVD in any country!
One of few videos who display the Germans as normal people.
And not as cartoonish moustache twirling bad guys
Discracefull that they sent people to certain death like this like a fkn game 😯
During ww2, germans where effectively normal people. No SS, no nazies. Prisoners where treated very well. And the same in the other side. The enemies where the men to kill, the land was the place to defend or conquer, but there was no hatred.
@@calvacoca I assume you meant "ww1" and not "ww2" lol
@@calvacoca Bullshit. They were Nazis. They stomped around like they owned the Earth and sought to enslave it. Fuck you and your moral relativism.
So surreal - how they were just leisurely strolling through a meadow… towards machine guns and near-certain annihilation.
0:51 Titanic hits the iceberg!!
Sorry, sorry.... I just love the actor... ^-^
Ww1 riffle with a Jungle Carbine bolt , with the hole in the ball on the bold Wichita made it lighter
and with this battle, the Machine gun and her crewmen shows the higher ups what a pair of them can do agaisnt the largest army they could amass
the real sad thing was that almost all soldiers were told they could walk as almost all germans would be killed by the prolonged shelling. Making it easier for the germans to wipe them out. In the few places where the soldiers did charge they did manage to maek real progress and break through, but only to be beaten back by german reinforcements and the lack of support.
Nah. You're thinking of Flanders (specifically Ypers/Passchendaele after weeks of heavy rain) where the water table was a lot closer to the surface and the battles never really ceased for 4 years.
Somme had a much different terrain (dry, chalky soil) and was a relatively calm area before the actual battle, so the ground wasn't so torn up as in Flanders.
yeah...right!....mmm ...clearly the somme was SO VERY EASY ... specially to all the fine young men that put on them chests to the bullets.... but .... ah!... sorry!!!!, i forgot that you know everything about it so very well, don't you?.... no doubt of course, 'cause you're such a brave and an experimented little kid
I believe the Lee-Enfield was the standard weapon of the British Empire since the later 19th century. The No.4 is basically the same weapon except better and easier to mass produce.
War is a true Halloween. Not the fighting part, but the aftermath
Once again all I can say is "I'm glad I was never a soldier".
born at the right time
be happy you were not born in the 1890s mate
Everything is in the video info ;) Or in short a docudrama from Channel 5 made in 2005
well mate remember the trenches stretched from the swiss alps to the belgian coast, so i doubt there would be much flanking. a line at all is stupid becoz the MG's can just spray. small shock groups (which were used at the end of the war) supported by a creeping barrage is the best way to cut casualties. at the battle of hamil, sir john monash incorporated tanks, planes, artillery and infantry to massive effect. peaceful penetration, massive gains with minimal losses
Thanks for sharing this story
@SushiSounds
i was really just asking a rhetorical question just to make you and other views think about if the world of 1916 is really that different from the world we live in today. i mean dispite that after the end of world war 1 there where a wish to end war for good, there are still war and suffering. Two of these wars are adminsted by Obarama whom in his campain talked constantly about CHANGE, CHANGE, CHANGE and yet the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continues.
March towards machine guns, what a brilliant tactic!
I think it has to do with keep the formation so no body rush their first and left formation expore to enemy. beside do you think anyone think about gentleman when someone shoot at you and everyone around you getting kill?
You seem like a reasonable British person. I like how you are not biased towards the Irish, I am an Irish hrepunlican. Peace to you brother, between England and Ireland.
Thought the same! "Come on.. Come on.. Turn!" xD
Because the spike helped deflecting a saber strike from a horsemen.
My Great Grandads were all in the Kings Own Yorkshire Light Infantry.
My great grandfather was happy harvesting in a small town in Peru. LOL
anyone know why the germans placed spikes on their helmet in the first place?, i know they took it out because it stuck out
Of course there were several points along the line.. But still, yes. A trench was defended only by two German machine-guns from the side (and those two killed far more enemies then 8 shooting from the front would have).
where do i get the rest of this
@jensypoops yes it is. its mr murdock from titanic! :)
The SS also had to use Czech weapons for the lack of german weapons(early war). As German production picked up the availiable surplus would trickle down to the SS.
@Awesomeduud it seems to work for the chinese
This is great stuff! Can it be purchased in Canada? Where is it from?
This looks fantastic, I wondered if it was the other recent reconstructive doco on Somme Id seen, but I think that was Defeat to Victory...great re-enactments.
My Great uncle was there.
torn apart on his 21'st birthday.
still have a picture of him
RIP
So was my Great uncle, died from a bullet.
Remember on christmas eve...the day before they went over the top, they all had a big game of football, the Germans and British...
Ty i found it it is called (1/11) The Somme Just incase anyone else wanted to find it :) Ty again
Fair enough, I didn't know that. What are SBR's?
anyone else notice that the lee enfields that they are using are from ww2 not ww1?
that one general is the 1st officer from the movie titanic. "Why aren't they turning" I'd recognize that face anywhere. Just FYI
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artillery soldiers had a ball on top instead of the spike, because the spike could cause injuries
my great grandfather was there too! on the german side...
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Hey Ketch23 is there a third part to this video? Are you going to post it?
my greatgrand father and his brother served with the royal newfoundland regiment.
they would often be shot on site but to be honest, a lot of the time people just started running anyway
Why weren't they allowed to run? Any good tactical reason?
I shot 15 rounds out of my German Gew98 rifle and the sights started to become hard to adjust because of the heat, but these guys on the battlefield ahooting maybe 50 or more be to hard even with gloves
@TheSabbath8 Because if they run, they'll be exhausted once they enter the enemy trench and they're won't fight very well.
i dont think there's anything anyone could do or say that would keep me from breaking into a full run.
1: Belgium was neutral, very little fortification.
2: the german arrived at the Marne river withing weeks after the invasion.
The move in Belgium was a attempt to outflank the french up until they were stoped at the marne.
In other words, the war wasen't always staled and/or static. most of the war was, but not always
may sound a bit nerdy but couldnt help notice how most of the tommys had No4 Lee Enfeilds instead of the SMLE Lee Enfeild. The No4 didnt come in to use until 1944 but whatcha gonna do eh?
this is why you don't attack a machinegun abrest all lined up.
Were you the lieutenant? No? THEN SHUT YER FUCKING PIEHOLE!
From the sides only? Across a 35 mile front?
My previous post refers to WW1 German Helmets; Someone asked if they were worn in WW2.
The death of one person can be the death of millions
King George V and his cousin The Kaiser could of stopped this war.
Why would they stop it if they had started it.
Cousin Nicholas started war.
Pretty much every major Royal figure at this time was the first or second cousin of each other not to mention the Habsburg bloodline in itself. But William and Nicholas and George all believed each other when they said they had no intention of War, at that time, in their correspondence to each other. William actually went on vacation positive that war would not start in his absence. his biggest blunder I would say was not completely reading the the dossier or information that was gathered about Astro-hungary and Russia and Serbia and when he did read it about a month after the war started he realized that Serbia was not to blame for the action of the Assassin he actually wrote something pretty moving in his diary about how he fucked up.
But if anybody is to blame there's a particular austro-hungary general who has one of the funniest quotes ever attributed to a person
" he's the worst kind of soldier stupid and relentlessly energetic" the same general had petition war with Serbia 26 times in his career.
yes house of Gotha's should have told their kraut family to stand down, shooting at same Germanic mutts to the North
I'm Scottish, too. Hell yeah for Scotland! Love the Irish too (you bastards are HILARIOUS I love you) and the English know how to rock and roll. I have a Welsh friend. He's cool.
so your an american then ?
PLEASE tell me where can I buy this on DVD???
did that guy in the end die or was he injured the person who got shot
What else could they do?
seemed like such a waste of resources to march all those men into the slaughter like that
brilliant idea. walking slowly towards machinegun fire.
Wow, what a wonderful thing hindsight is.
Actually In the Battle of Somme the British walked in straight lines, Which, the officers thought would "minimize" the death toll when it was actually the other way around.
actually they didnt trust Kitcheners new army of conscripts to move in any other format other than a well controlled "Napelonic" line - some regiments actually used the barrage to advance close to edge of enemy trenches though - the Ulsters I think ?
Did they actually stroll casually like this? Why not run like hell toward the target?
My Grandfather was also there,and more officers were killed in percentage , as the normal soldiers !
Actually, the 18th century tactics to which you refer to were not stupid, but effective. Because the firearms of the time were so inaccurate (at 100 yards 1 in 30 would hit the target!) and slow to load, they had to be used en masse to have any effect on the enemy. This meant for troops to use their firepower effectively they would have to advance to within 50 yards and fire together to have any damage on their targets. If used correctly it was devastating.