Stop Paying Too Much For Drum Gear | The Drum Department 🥁 (Ep.29)
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2023
- Drummers LOVE to buy new gear, whether it’s a new cymbal, different drumheads, or a full-blown new drum set. There are always lots of great deals out there, but there are some key tricks to finding the best deals on the gear you need. ✨
Today we have some industry vets share the ways you can get the most drum gear for your hard-earned money.
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Mom and Pop shops are the best. Portsmouth Drum Center in NH is definitely the leader of the pack. If anyone is reading this, I will tell you it's the Mecca of drum land. You will not be disappointed. Great staff, knowledgeable and friendly.
Brand new drum gear prices are a joke and have been for some time.
I buy used only
@@XGATEXKEEPERX Same, I have done for years with the odd new thing here n there. Brexit, Covid and Inflation have fucked up the market. I can remember when sticks were 5 quid a pair and skins were a tenner. You buy a kit but when you need it reskin it in some cases that exceeds the price you paid for the kit, especially bass drum skins.
@@charlieskelhorn i swear sticks were $8 about 5-6 years ago. Now they're $12-15. Insane inflation rate
@@clearestapricotpencil4125depends. Amazon has $5.99 for two pair.
Not really. I looked at old magazine ads for drum kits from the 1960s and they were $150 and up. Adjusted for inflation, that is $1500 and up. You can buy Yamaha Stage for 1/2 that now. So arguably they are cheaper now than ever. Also, $2000-$3000 price range drums now are better than the very best from two decades ago - and adjusted for inflation those would be more like $6,000.
Here are a couple of tips that I gathered over the last decade or so :
- 1 : If you are a good customer at a local drumshop and they waive your taxes (for example) out of the blue, they're likely to do this almost every time you shop there if you're a working drummer. I walk in and get an almost guaranteed -15% on anything, which is pretty sweet! They'd rather have returning customers buying something specific (i.e. a clamp, attachment, rim, head, etc) rather than one-time buyers that'll get a kit and never come back. They also know you'll make bigger purchases down the road if you trust them.
- 2 : The used market for drum kits is amazing. Why is that?? They take space, and requires treated rooms if you want to play them. This means there is a *lot* of near-mint condition kits for a fraction of the brand new price out there, whether showroom or not. This is how many drumshops like Drumazon, Hawthorne or the used section at Portsmouth for example, make their money on used gear : they get those deals, restore or simply clean the kits and sell them for 3-4 times the asked price on Craiglist or the like.
- 3 : If you really wanna push it far, keep an eye for drumshops in small towns where the music scene is almost inexistent. They can keep higher end kits as showroom for quite a few years and will do *anything* to get rid of them. I can get my dream set 50% of the brand new price with 800 bucks of hardware thrown in there if I'm willing to drive a few hours - worth it to me!
- 4 : Look at clinics and tours. If the clinician happen to have played on tour a set of drums you're interested in, chances are they will get sold at the end of the tour.
- 5 : Look for kits that have a high resale value. A great buying to performance value is always awesome, but if you can resale the kit for more than you paid for easily as an individual (rather than a drumshop needing to clean their showroom floor quickly for new models, hence the discounts!), then you *really* have the best deal. To continue my example, I can resell this dream kit alone for twice the money I paid for it AND the hardware, but just the kit,on Reverb and I bet you solid money it'll be gone within the month, as it is also a very desirable and discontinued finish.
I shop online exclusively. Had wayyy too many experiences in retail music stores or drum shops with people who really had no idea what they were talking about. Didn't know the difference between die cast hoops and triple flanged. Didn't know which lines were budget and which were premium. Said X company doesn't offer x size or model when they actually did... just so many things like that, and if it wasn't that, and they actually knew something, too many times they turned out to be a total tool in the personality dept. I finally gave up on retail.
That's how I snagged a Yamaha Absolute Maple Hybrid 10, 12, 16, 22 with the matching snare in soft cases. They wanted it gone, looked in one case to take a pic of the badge then put it up for $450, once I got there I started being honest with them on the price. And for being honest they kept the same price and threw in a full set of Yamaha hardware for an extra $200 in a rolling bag that they haven't posted yet. I found that deal by the way the drums were stored (stacked in the corner of a finished basement) and how the description was worded, plus I jumped on it immediately and was up front with them.
Go used, be diligent, be patient, and be ready to buy at a moment's notice. Bring someone well-versed with the item(s) in question, if need be. Same goes for motorcycles, cars, etc.
It is nice to see the drum set in the store. I felt some of the finishes I was not considering, looked a lot nicer when actually seeing them.
Also, as an argument for catalogues: some websites are very crappy and lacking a lot of information
Being patient customer might not work here in my country lol. Stuffs here are usually sold at the retail price. Outdated stuffs might have a veryyyyyyyy small discount, like 5%. If there are a large discount slap on it, there might be something bad to those instruments (I've seen Warwick bass sells at 50%, with the condition that the neck is badly twisted. It's even called "งอหงิก" (twisties) on the price tag.)
I happened to get my bass at 30% discount once because it's 10 years old and the store was relocating.
As far as I know the dealer/distributors only order stuffs once there's demand on it. They don't get the new stuffs at launch, because they are all shipped to the US. They only get a small number of stuff to test the water first.
I remember talking with my friend who's working with the store once and he mentioned that the Waza Air I was interested was already sold-out to the local artists here even before the shipment arrive.
I bought a pearl drum set and it was cheaper than the color I really wanted, because our guitarist said to buy and we could make it any color I wanted!😮 I said how’s that, well when your family owns they’re own carpet and tile store you can get any color of material just measure out each drum and get a sheet of it for a low price, then clean the service of the wood and make sure the over-lap goes where the hardware goes. Make sure the glu is spread thin over each drum(one drum at a time) the after it dries drill out(through the holes already in the drum) the material using same size drill bits
I learned so much in this episode, I cannot wait to spend my money but more importantly save my money too!
A few years ago, I had my heart set on a blue or orange Sakae PAC-D kit, until I was offered the same kit in tobacco burst for a huge discount because there was a ding in the floor tom. I jumped on the deal and still love the kit. I saved £200 on a £650 kit.
Speaking of L&M, I'd been to the store a couple times when I was in Toronto. Really nice experience. I've got my first Fender from the store.
I saved over $200 on a set of K custom Dark from Sweetwater because they were a used floor set, and I couldn't tell they were even played on!
They were probably the set I ordered and sent back in
exchange for Custom Classic Brilliants, “Full swap No questions asked!“ The Hi-Hats were too Washy and ride too dark, so only played maybe all of 1 hour over 4 days. “Just breaking the Lacquer off and training them for you!”
Very cool upload....I have bought a ton of used gear. It's hard to ever buy anything new when you can get such a good deal on used stuff :)
He was making a joke about the famous bumper sticker that says “drum machines have no soul”
As a woman, I will always shop online. Turns out Y chromosomes are mandatory to get service in a shop! (Glaring at you, Long and McQuade- I REALLY wish you jerks were on commission!) There's nothing I hate more than being either condescended to or ignored completely.
Music shops & record stores can be condescending in general. Maybe it's worse for a girl but dudes get our share of attitude from jaded balding ponytail staff as well. I find the more downtown a shop is the more up its own ass it is. My L&M in the burbs is almost too nice, they won't leave you alone trying to help.
@@UltrafineDeluxe idk man. I've taught at a music store managed by a women for a few years and seen even male customers condescend towards her. Music people are def weird with women, like most other things
@@UltrafineDeluxe Are you talking about the Scarborough location? I couldn't even get those jerks to acknowledge I was in the room! L&M should put those bastards on commission- they'll learn to be nice right quick!
Sorry to hear you have to go through this. I’ve come to appreciate a few of the small name music shops in my area, just seeing how kind they are to everyone. I wish commission would be the best solution but I think that would lead to some aggressive selling (probably would turn away some buyers). But I do think there should be some sort of feedback system they implement. If Simone has a bad experience, it gets sent to upper management (or someone who cares to fix the situation). Definitely a mess though
As a man who is introverted, I hate being asked if I need help. If I need help, I will ask them.
Great episode! I loved the photos & guesses on used gear!!!
That’s a 500-600 dollar cymbal lol
Right lol
Went I Choose a Drum Tama Cymbals Zildjian and 🥁 Yamaha's Blue Cymbals Zildjian with price RM 6,899 and also prices RM 3,310 . Went I having a job's ♎ worked as government allowance houses RM 600 .
Great episode! Craig was my go-to guy at my local L&M. Great guy. I miss him!
I waited about 9 months for my Tama Starclassic Performer EFX like 20+ years ago, but it was suuuuuuper worth it.
annnnnd it's obvs discontinued now which makes my hunt for a 16" floor tom near impossible :(
Absolutely love these videos, keep up the great work guys. Also just wondering when you were planning on doing another drum factory tour?
Uhh, if you are near a bigger city do the old school look in the buy and sell section of the local news papers!! Grand pa,s old set if Slingerlands!! Good as gold!!!
I bought a complete drum set in the fall and toyed with special ordering all my stuff. I ended up just cherry picking what my local store had in stock.
Ended up with a Tama Superstar Classic in a very light blue and absolutely love it.
The sales guy even said it seemed like I specifically picked up stuff in stock.
Now, check this out. The roland kit. That's exactly what I'm playing. Same generation, btw the update is software only, and free to install. I've done that. Anyways, mine is TD17kv "the s doesn't have bluetooth I think, mine does, with midi over bluetooth, have never used it lol" but I bought mine in 2020 for SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS! In prestene condition.
Thanks for this show, and for the reupload 😉
#SpecialOrders don’t take NEARLY as long as they may have in the past. Even in 1997 I ordered an #AYOTTECustomDrums kit from Canada, delivered to Cincinnati, Ohio…TO SPEC… and they did it in a month!!! I was in awe!!! Another kit they did in 3 weeks…again custom-to-spec.
Do cocktail kits usually have a reso head on the bottom with the beater?
Some buy old 80's electronic drums for a nostalgic reasons, I always heard they feel like hitting cement with sticks lol
I love drum gear. This was a good video.
That dtx 3 kit. I bought the identical same kit, in like 14 maybe? for $300 used. Today? If it's got midi outs, I'd consider buying it for maybe $150 maaaaaaybe. I can't remember if the pads and cymbals were dual zone or not. If so they'd be ok back ups for my sd3 set up, where internal sounds don't matter. The PDP kit, you guys thought an asking price of $2,000 was too high? That's what I'd have asked, and took the first 1750 I could get. I don't know if y'all said either way. I was thinking 2k was a good deal, $1500 would be a remarkably good deal, and $1100 is a number where I'd offer them $900 be there in an hour type deal, because they're desperate.
I am new to drumming. I recently got a double sided Evan's Real Feel practice pad a Vic Firth A5 sticks. I have been eyeing the Simmons SDS9 from the 80s. I have been using drum machines for a couple of years. The 80s is my favorite musical decade. I have some drum machines and synths from the 80s. Here is what I am looking for in E dums. Does it sound like 80s E drums? Is it an analog drum synth? Does it have DIN MIDI in so I can trigger it with my hardware sequencer? Does it have DIN MIDI out so I can trigger other things with it? Does it have cool looking drum pads? The SDS9 checks off all those boxes. I have some Behringer clones. So I would be fine with modern E drums if they check all the boxes. But I am unaware of any modern E drums that check all those boxes. As far as I know there are modern drum brains with Simmons style sounds. But I want an actual tweakable drum synth rather than just samples.
If anyone knows of any modern E drums that check all those boxes, let me know.
So I think vintage E drums are fine if you know what you are getting in to. Thankfully there are plenty of UA-cam videos showing vintage E drums. There is the Simmons Museum website with all sorts of info on vintage Simmons drums. So the info is out there to help you decide if vintage E drums are right for you.
Goodness I think I've spent 10s of thousands of dollars (maybe even 20k!?) in drum gear of an 8 year time span.
Lots of buying and selling, some loses, some bargins.
The best piece advice to people who have are on a budget or even those who are collectors, is don't be afraid on buying used gear.
I know it's obvious and to the point, but I've managed to find essentials and bargin drum deals for craigslist, facebook marketplace, online retailers, etc. and some of which I've even sold for profit to get my money back.
I wouldn't take a Tama kit over a Yamaha. I've had a unbelievable amount of problems with Tama hardware breaking or malfunctioning and have it replaced on different Tama items and the last snare had to send it back 3x and that was my last piece of drum equipment manufactured by Tama I've bought. I've never had any problems, I mean not one out of Yamaha. I have the Stage Customs ,The Beech Customs ,Mapex & a Yamaha electronic drum set. I'm sold on Yamaha and the hardware is second to none imo
How do I find out the date/time of your future live streams?
In my area music stores are long gone. Web is the way for me. Closest store to me is 1 hr away and it's a guitar center.😢 They usually don't have any idea about the products I'm seeking.
Even pre-owned gear at L&M or stores are $$$
I keep close tabs on Facebook marketplace people sell things for surprisingly $
But it's really a hit and miss tbh
Im happy i bought my stuff before pandemie out of price today because of shipping😢
I love Sweetwater I got my Roland electronic drum set I’m going to get my next drum set there
Do they not have Reverb in Canada?
Man i use paiste 1 i cant afford something more expensive and play tacton drums kit . Does someone know what is Tacton ?
That's insane!!.......
Bout to save me some money on drum kits :)
What about the drumheads? For the price of quality drumhead set plus kick drumheads you can buy decent used drum kit...with good heads on it😁
Rufus in Vancouver!
Why is there a travis barker ocdp kit in this shot?
I was today years old when I learned drumeo isnt an American brand.
all my dollar values are US btw
I would def like a lime green set over a black set. Maybe I’d hate it. Maybe id hate it so much that you should just give it to me for free to torture me..
First. This is the best Video i watched.
Secondhand hand is key
...the way she goes...
Ray
Drums ARE the 5th food group
yeah. tell that to black metal drummers who used old ludwigs or dws in their best recordings
I buy used drums. But I don't trust buying used cymbals, because you don't know how rough the original drummer was with them. Just my own opinion
It’s all bad in Australia everything costs twice as much
Why just now? 😭
That cymbal does not exist for $350. Calling B.S.
Too funny
I've purchased gear from probably 100 different vendors/outlets over half a century until Sweetwater became so financially grounded. Nobody mentions "Buying Power". What I refer to is, smaller shops can't extend credit like a bigger store. Example, Musician friends uses Syncrony Bank for financing, who requires near AAA credit ranking. My 670 score denied, so Sweetwater offers better pricing with 2 year no question warranty, and in house "zero" interest financing. Musician friends lost my business, I deleted my account, Sweetwater picked up $11,000 single year sales from a frequent flyer now. Their monthly giveaways from customers submitting photo of their new gear is insane. I'm talking like $10K in digital recording and mic gear for drums, or full Sound board for your band with amps, monitors, P-A's, Cables, stands, etc. Mom and pops just can't afford this type of promo customer grab, so they need a niche. DCOP is only shop I know who actively attempts to compete with Sweetwater. Buying online by sound of video demos is about as reliable as green on roulette wheel. You can't return gear to mom and pop after 30 days. Vs Sweetwater 2 years!
I understand how people say to support small shops, but I avoid them because I hate the grief I feel if I want to return something. Amazon, at least as long as the item is shipped and sold by Amazon, is 100% grief-free.
The video operator keeps focusing on the inside of the hosts nose. Looked gross.
19:00: I don't like the conversation format of this video in which the vital information I'm looking for is buried in all kinds of small talk. Don't like it. I quit this video.
OMG! I can’t believe y’all had this video at 2:00pm my time right after I spent almost $2800 in gear! Ugh!!! I think I at least should get another year for free as a Drumeo member for two years now. 😅Drumeo member KevinT383838
How much Yall Paid for that OCDP kit??
A few years ago, I had my heart set on a blue or orange Sakae PAC-D kit, until I was offered the same kit in tobacco burst for a huge discount because there was a ding in the floor tom. I jumped on the deal and still love the kit. I saved £200 on a £650 kit.
A few years ago, I had my heart set on a blue or orange Sakae PAC-D kit, until I was offered the same kit in tobacco burst for a huge discount because there was a ding in the floor tom. I jumped on the deal and still love the kit. I saved £200 on a £650 kit.
A few years ago, I had my heart set on a blue or orange Sakae PAC-D kit, until I was offered the same kit in tobacco burst for a huge discount because there was a ding in the floor tom. I jumped on the deal and still love the kit. I saved £200 on a £650 kit.