Possibly the most satisfying chapter in the story so far. The culmination of all Cersei's lying, scheming and cruelty just blowing up in her face. Thanks David!
I smiled when I saw Cersei had a chapter. Purely malicious by the way, Cersei is so mind-bogglingly self absorbed and views herself so highly that I gain such a sense of pleasure and satisfaction in her suffering that it makes me a bit concerned.
It's quite ironic how Cersei's paranoia about the Tyrells made her blame them for every crime except the one they are actually responsible for (Joffreys's death) She also probably would have been safe if she had tried to cooperate with the Tyrells instead of trying to bring them down.
It's like that scene in Breaking Bad where Mike and Walt have their last interaction where Walt tries to preen up at Mike one last time and then Mike tells Walt basically all the crap we are in where they are on the run and worse is because of Walts big ego which is exactly what Cersei did screwed both their houses because of her inability tp temper her lust for power
@@Argos-xb8ek Walt did everything for his family though and his wife repaid his hard work and sacrifice by breaking it (pun intended). I'm not excusing the innocents he killed but he killed way more deserving than undeserving. Cersei was just crazy and unjust to everyone.
@@demonwolf570 Walt said he did everything for his family, but at the end even he admitted that it wasn't really about that anymore after a certain point. Thinking Skylar did anything wrong tbh is some teenager or incel shit
The realm doesnt know it. He wasnt king long enough to show everyone so they loved him because of Tyrelle's bread. The common folk cares only about bread and not being murdered. Which... Fair enough
29:51 A lot of people are glossing over this, but Cersei groomed Lancel, used him, discarded him, and is likely planning to have him killed. She was a thirty-something woman in the most powerful position she could muster, and Lancel was a teenager who was told to obey her every command. He still is a teenager, and is suffering from physical torment and psychological damage, and Cersei’s first instinct when seeing him is to add him to her list.
She nearly killed him when she struck him while he had an arrow in him during the Battle of The Blackwater. She crippled him made him weak and caused him to turn to religion to cope with the loss of his strength and looks and the guilt he felt probably in throwing the whole realm into war causing countless deaths including that of his own brother all because he lusted and loved after a woman who can't love anyone but herself and power.
I find myself at a loss as to how Cersei can be so mind-boggedly self absorbed... she blames everyone else but herself for her situation, including each one she mistreated and discarded, and still thinks everything and everyone is hers to take and the world revolves around her.
5:34 funny how Cersei counts on the sympathy between women when it benefits her, while she might as well be one of the most misogynistic POV characters of the series.
Yeah of course, she even has three children, a good son, a mad son and a sweet daughter. Nothing like Aerys. Aerys had children with his sibling, and had many lovers. No similarities. Cersei loves a Lannister and hates another, very unlike Aerys.
I know it's just theory with little evidence, but Cersei's behavior is pure Targaryen. No one can tell me there is no dragon blood in the Lannisters because Lan the Clever is not from the seven kingdoms...
Cersei's thoughts when she discovered that Jaime and Brienne disappeared to meet Stoneheart: "Impossible, Jaime would never abandon me for that creature!" Me: You know nothing, Cersei Lannister! P.S: Imagine if Jaime and Brienne starts to hang out in TWOW and Cersei hears of this!
Guess now you know what Tyrion went through, Cersei. How does it feel, Queen Regent? Face it, lady. You DO NOT have the people's love. Whose fault is that?
I genuinely don't understand how people don't like Feast for Crows and Dance With Dragons. I genuinely don't understand. I love this chapter... and can't wait for you to get to Cersei's walk of shame. I love that chapter. Thanx for reading this for us. 💖
@@renaigh 🤔 I hear what you're saying. But Cersei isn't actually atoning because she is not truly contrite... and I mean the only reason Cersei is in this position is because of her actions anyway. She thought she could control the High Sparrow and she thought she could bring down Margarey. So is it really atonement? 🤔
And just for the record... I will say that I think the High Sparrow charging her of the crime of having sex after her husband dies is absolute bullshit... and it seemed like he was real quick to ignore the incest and illegitimacy of Tommen... but I imagine that it probably suits him to have a child king in power. I believe it's happened once before before Maegor the Cruel. The king was weak and the Faith / Warrior's Sons had a lot of people. So the High Sparrow is full of shit too. But eff me George is brilliant 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💖💖💖
George will never let us enjoy someone "getting what they deserve" without throwing some sort of dang old complication in there. It rocks that the Sparrows don't end up punishing her for any of her MANY crimes against the people, but bring her low for the crimes of having sex and being a woman (though you'd think being wanton by nature like all other women would get you some sort of leniency on that score). Many such cases!
I swear this kind of genius writing is what makes George one of the greatest fantasy writers of modern times. I always refer back to how he said "the only thing writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself". Nothing is black and white or easily overcome in George's view. Maturity requires a brutal honesty. Very challenging for the average reader to confront.
I agree the punishment doesn't really coalesce with everything she did, but then I remember melara, lady, baby bara, her own baby just because it was Roberts and not Jaime and then raising Joffrey to be such a fucking monster of a child which later led to the raid of the river lands, Oberyn death and then I laugh like a toddler when I read her walk of shame. Sorry not sorry.
Cersei did not commit any crime against the people. Her crime against the faith was having the former high septon killed, nothing more. Her other treasons are not the faith’s business as they have got no right or power to judge members of the Royal family. It’s not really that complicated. The sparrows overreached themselves big time.
I think one of the few things the show got right, although probably unintentionally, was Cercei and her stupidity. Toned down her cruelty slightly but the theme of digging herself into a bigger hole remains
Im sure everyone is starting to miss good old Aerys and his comparably "mildly ecentric" antics, i mean yeah he was quite nutty at the end but he started out alright.
I have a strong suspicion things would have turned out far better if it was Robert who was killed at the Trident. From what Rhaegar said to Jaime just before he left, I think that council he intended to call would have been his first step in removing his father from power, and since he says he meant to do it sooner it was clearly on his mind for a while. "The wrong man came back from the Trident." I think Cersei was actually right on that count.
@@tripleskittlez How about sending her away from king's landind (in a soon risk from a siege) and making the peace with house Martell throught a marrige, with the protection of Ser Arys Oatheart from the kingsguard?
What gets me the most is how self centered she is shown in her interaction with Kevan. And lord knows what poor Kevan had to be feeling towards Cersei. In this war his Neice and Nephew started Kevan Lost one son while he was a prisoner his eldest son Lancel became a zealot and pawn for Cerseis despicable schemes theres no telling what Lancel told him and his other son was a war prisoner for most of it. He lost his brother and Cersei stripped of him the Title of Warden of The West for no other reason then out of spite. He had to sit and watch Cersei tear his world and all of Tywins planning apart in the need to feed her grandiose ambition.
7:33 Cersei is so full of crap. Lyanna had a woman's body but was able to wield a sword well there was nothing stopping Cersei from learning from Jamie. She is a coward and a weakling.
Lyanna didn't have a sword training either, she was only training with Benjen when they were little kids without their father's knowing. Cersei was also dressing as Jaime and joining his sword lessons as a kid without her father's knowing. So Cersei and Lyanna's situation wasn't really different. Only Arya and Brienne got to learn sword fighting because Ned and Selwyn are the best fathers of Westeros and would do anything to make their kids happy!
@@teamblack204 Cersei never got to join any of Jaime's sword lessons, by the time he would've gotten those, not even dressing alike would have fooled anyone into thinking Cersei was him.
@@teamblack204 they did crossdress while younger, but Cersei never attended swordfighting lessons. She would have been outed immediately, so would Jaime because he would have never had the patience required for anything young noblewomen are taught in Westeros.
There are many misogynist characters in the series; Randyll Tarly, Stannis, Joffrey... But now I think about it, I see the most misogynist character was Cersei all alone. That even effects her "love" for her children: she clearly favored Joffrey, he was her golden son, her firstborn and crown prince, her way to power. Same as Tommen, a sweet boy and now the king, her way to power. But she barely remembers Myrcella and doesn't seem to care about her only daughter at all. She just heard her daughter got heavily wounded, yet her reaction is literally like "Oh no! Anyway". I'd dare to say even Ser Arys Oakheart (who is probably my favorite background character) cared for Myrcella more than her own mother does...
She is definitely a misogynist a self hating woman. All of the women around her who are powerful in their right she despises and trashes. Immediately tearing them down based off appearance. She only cares that Myrcellas appearance has been damaged. She’s a twisted b*tch.
@@theelectricprince8231 I wouldn't say she's a misandrist. She has a notable penis envy, she looks down upon women and femininity. Like how she said "I should have wear the armor and you the dress" to Robert, despising feminity and praising masculinity. Or "I should have been given the sword, not Jaime", again, her mind is connecting superiority to masculinity...
This chapter is a textbook example of narcissistic person in a position of authority and high status (be it political, religious or corporate) reaches too high and can No longer control their own ego long enough to see reason or think things through more clearly…in the end Cersei has no one to blame but herself for her ultimate fate 😂 0:01
Alas the pettiest are usually the craziest... Is it worth it? If you love them i guess but its hard especially when both are nuts then it gets too much lol
Sansa, All of House Stokeworth, Lancel, Loras, the Blue Bard, High Septon, all of Lady Margery's ladies and Margery herself along with that poor maid she first gave to Qyburn. And that's just in Feast
I find it hard to not feel sorry for Cersei in this chapter. And, ironically enough, she DID do much for the Kettleblacks, Waters etc. And she WAS betrayed
I hate Cersei all through Feast, but as soon as Dance comes around I am fully in her corner. Fuck the faith and their hypocrisy, their misogyny, their nastiness. I will not be sad when Cersei burns them all!
@@shinjinobrave It would be different if she wasn't guilty of everything they imprisoned her for. She did have an affair under Robert with Jamie and Lancel she did plot the murder of Robert and formet High Septon she even put the same people that imprisoned her in power because she thought she could control them all with the suffering she brought upon the common folk especiallyin Kings Landing. Their blatant misogyny aside I feel just writing their disdain for Cersei as misogyny is dishonest to the horrors and suffering she caused the common people.
this might seem like an odd question but I'm curious: this chapter is one of the longest in ADWD page wise, yet there's a fairly average running time to this video (for this point in the series), the previous chapter has an equal amount of pages I think yet almost runs an extra 10 minutes. You seem to read these at a fairly consistent speed, and this chapter (if I remember correctly) is pretty low on dialogue so there'd be minimal need for starting new paragraphs. Was just wondering if there's anything that would account for that I guess or if its just a fluke. thanks so much for these, you're a terrific narrator!
In the kindle edition I'm using to record these, this chapter is 14 pages, where Jon's previous chapter is 17. But sometimes certain characters slow things down a surprising amount if they talk in a slow, ponderous manner and have a lot of dialogue. It might just be a split second per sentence, but if they have some sort of lengthy A Feast for Crows type monologue that can add up. ANd thank you for your kind words!
First off you are incredible David! In my opinion feast and dance are the weaker books in the series(so far) but honestly 3 of my top 10 fav chapters in the series are from Dance(A ghost in winterfell, Cersei I, and Reek II)
The comment section here truly disgusts me. Cersei is a tragic character and people should have a little more sympathy for her: She loves her family members except for Tyrion (more specifically, her children, her brother and lover, Jaime, her father, Tywin and her mother, Joanna). She is very protective of her children, doesn't want them to die and constantly fears for their safety. When her son Joffrey dies, she breaks down over his corpse and cries and then she stays with his corpse and mourns it for days. At one point, she has a nice dream where Joffrey is still alive and she marries her brother, Jaime. She is angry when Tyrion sends her daughter, Myrcella, to Dorn without her permission and starts threatening him. She breaks down into tears when he mentions that if Myrcella stays, she could be killed in the coming battle. She is also shocked when she learns that Myrcella has lost one of her ears. In the fourth book she gets very protective of her son, Tommen, after the death of Joffrey. When Tommen chokes on his wine, she is afraid that someone had poisoned him, quickly stands up and goes to him to help. When she discovers that no one has poisoned him, she goes away and starts crying. During her imprisonment by the Faith Militant, she constantly thinks about her son and how she wants to go back to him. When she goes back to him, she starts spending a lot more time with him than ever before because she was relieved to see him again after her long imprisonment. At one point, she had a nightmare where Tyrion has tied her up. She begs him to spare her kids, even though in the dream her own life is in danger. She also incestiously loves Jaime. While she mistreats him in the fourth book and sends him away, she still thinks often about him and when she is imprisoned, she has a dream about marrying him. When he doesn't come to rescue her, she feels hurt on a personal level and desperately tries to convince herself that her letter for help probably didn't reach him or else he would come back for her. She loves her father as she wants his respect, constantly thinks about what he would do and is sad when he dies. She loves her mother. She blames her younger brother, Tyrion, for "killing" her mother because this is what she saw from her father. She also mentions to Sansa that when she was a little girl she prayed to the Gods to give her mother back. There are a few occasions, where she is even nice to Tyrion. At one point, they share a cup of wine and laugh at a joke and Cersei even hugs him and lifts him after he delivers some good news to her. On another occasion, when one of the men refuses to follow Tyrion's orders, Cersei interferes and the man starts following. On another occasion, she admits that Tyrion is very useful and apologizes for how she had treated him in the past. She ends up subverting this because in the present, she wants to kill Tyrion and has put a bounty on his head. But the reason for this is because she genuinely believes that he wants to kill her remaining kids, has killed Joffrey and her father and is conspiring against. Another prevention is that Cersei is a bit too tragic and her tragedy holds up. She lost her mother at the age of 7, she was born in a highly sexist society where women are inferior to men and she had to witness every day how she and Jaime would be treated differently (one example is that Jaime was groomed to be Tywin's heir because he was a boy, even though Cersei was older than him) and this treatment made Cersei extremely resentful of her status. At the age of 10, Cersei received a prophecy from Maggy that all of her kids would die, that a younger and more baeutiful queen would take everything she holds dear and then Cersei herself would be killed by her younger brother. Needless to say, this made Cersei very paranoid about her life and the lives of her children and made her even more abusive towards Tyrion because she believes that he is the younger brother from the prophecy. A lot of the crimes that are listed above are an attempt to prevent this prophecy from happening and saving her children and herself. Another aspect that makes her tragic is that her father, Tywin, was neglectful most of the time and he was a brutal ruler who taught his kids that they should be merciless, that they should care about morality only about the end results and so on. There is enough evidence that Cersei was seriously affecte by this upbringing. For example, on one occasion, while she is torturing the Blue Bard, she feels bad for him and wants to stop the torture. But then, she remembers that her father would probably be ashamed of her sign of weakness and he wouldn't do something like that, so she continues with the torture. She was married to Robert Baratheon, who cheated on her and abused her by sometimes even raping her which also has an affect on her because she feels powerless during the rapes and she doesn't want this to happen again. In the world of Westeros if it's discovered that she had cheated on her husband with Jaime, she and all of her kids would be executed. The reason why she kills Robert and Ned is because she wants to protect her life and the life of her kids from execution. In general, she has suffered from systematic sexism for most of her life starting from childhood where she and Jaime were treated differently because of their gender and Jaime was groomed to become the heir to Casterly Rock while she was groomed to be married off despite being older than her brother. When she was married to her husband, she also suffered from the sexism of her society because her husband was allowed to cheat on her while if she was caught cheating, she and her entire family would be executed. She was also raped because there was no definition of marital rape in Westeros. As the above examples show, she also suffers from a lot of insecurities (about being a woman, winning her father's approval, being fit to rule, etc.). She also has insecurities about not having any friends and she immediately decides to befriend the first woman she meets in the fourth book simply because she doesn't want to feel lonely. There is a small moment where she displays a little honor. After Ned gives her a chance to escape with her children from the city before he reports to Robert that she had been cheating on him, Cersei tells him that she because of this she would allow him to go back to Winterfell with his life if he kneels to Joffrey and swears fealty to him. Ned doesn't do it and he ends up dead for this reason. Even though she is rude to Sansa, she still tries to give her advice about how to rule as a Queen, about the specifics of the female body and that she shouldn't love too many people or else she would get hurt. It's implied that the reason for this is because Cersei sees Sansa as a younger and more inexperienced version of herself. She ends up subverting that by desiring to execute Sansa but the reason for that is because she genuinely believes that Sansa was involved in joffrey's death. She is capable of feeling remorse on certain occasions. After the torture of the Blue Bard, she feels bad about it and tries to justify herself. During her Walk of Shame, she sees Sansa Stark and other people she had wronged, remembers about Ned Stark and it's heavily implied that she feels bad about some of the things she has done throughout her life. She is also played for sympathy a lot as shown by the above examples. Aside from the examples that are already mentioned, during the Walk of Shame when she paraded naked through the streets of the city and the common people throw things at her, the story tries to frame the moment as an "Alas. Poor Villain" by presenting it from Cersei's point of view, presenting it in excrusiating detail, showing how it affects her psyche and showing that she feels some remorse during the event. The story clearly tries to make the readers feel bad for her during this chapter.
I mostly agree! She’s a very complicated character, and one of my favorite examples of the idea that “hurt people hurt people” in fiction, certainly in fantasy fiction. BUT! The fact that Cersei is someone who is hurting doesn’t diminish the extent to which she cruelly hurts others. It just makes it complicated and makes us realize that a lot of her malice comes from fear, pain, and human frailty (as is the case for real people in the real world). I think this is particularly vivid in how she treats Tommen, a son she loves and cherishes and ABUSES. The way she treats him throughout A Feast for Crows is horrifying (remember the incident where Tommen stands up to her and she forced him to brutally hurt his whipping boy with his own hands, threatening Pate with having his TONGUE REMOVED if Tommen refuses?). I don’t really think Cersei’s love for her children is at all redemptive like it is on the show, where they don’t depict her as being abusive like that. I think she, like a lot of abusive parents in real life, sees her kids as extensions of herself. I also think Cersei feeling bad about the horrible things she does isn’t really redemptive, just another thing that shows she’s human. Human beings aren’t, in my view, built for cruelty and making other people suffer. We’re just naturally repelled by that, which is why you need the warping power of ideology or trauma or both to make it something you can easily do. Cersei feels bad, because on some level she’s still repulsed, but she silences those feelings or explains them away so she can continue hurting people (she’s sickened by what she and Qyburn do to the blue bard but ultimately blames it on Margery! Absolving herself of all responsibility and assuring herself she was right to do it). But that doesn’t mean she’s not complicated! She herself was subject to abuse and cruelty and, as you say, the brutal patriarchy of Westeros throughout her upbringing and into her adult hood (where Robert abused her in a hideous variety of ways). And she was raised with Tywin’s vile contempt of the small folk and basically everyone who isn’t a Lannister. Even her extremely privileged position doesn’t spare her from any of that. And she lacks the vocabulary to recognize injustice writ large, as opposed to injustice that is exceptionally part of her own experience, which further contributes to the poisonous ways she makes sense of her own life. I’m with you that it’s hard to really celebrate as Cersei is brought low not for her many actual crimes but simply for being a woman and having sex, but I really do think she’s a villain. Just an extraordinarily well written villain whose evil comes from a place that is clearly recognizable and isn’t just her nature. That’s one of the things I love about George’s writing. Thanks for leaving such a detailed and thoughtful comment!
@@DavidReadsASoIaF Yeah, I mostly agree with you. I am not saying that Cersei is good or should be excused, but at the same time I don't think that she is exceptionally worse than the other characters in the story and while she is bad, her awfulness tends to be exaggerated by the fandom. She is nowhere near as bad as Aerys or Maegor Targaryen for example but gets far more hate than either of them. If you look at what Tyrion, for example, has done, you will realize that in terms of actions he is just as bad as Cersei. Tyrion arms the mountain clans and then goads them to attack the Vale (at one point he is even proud of his plan to burn the Vale which shows that this is intentional on his part) just to get revenge on Lysa for falsely imprisoning him, sends the Antler's men to Joffrey to be tortured and executed and they get antlers nailed to their heads before being parachuted, has a singer cooked and then fed to the poor people of King's Landing without them knowing, commits a number of other murders and also rapes a prostitute girl in ADWD. However, Tyrion is still a fan favorite character. Even Daenerys crucified over 163 people chosen at random and tortured some random guy for information along with his daughters (I don't see how that is any less morally repugnant than what Cersei did with the Blue Bard). Personally, I wouldn't be so frustrated if fans just acknowedged that almost everyone in ASOIAF is different shades of awful, but instead they just single out some characters they don't like and act like what they have done is exceptionally evil and completely gloss over when characters they like do things that are just as bad. I think that maybe this comes to an extent from the fact that GRRM has portrayed her with less sympathy compared to many of his other characters (she gets her own POV chapters in the fourth book and by then most people have already formed their opinions about her, she is in conflict with a lot of POV characters the fans are fond of like the whole Stark family, Tyrion and now even Jaime, her flashbacks from her childhood still show her as a bully which makes people even less inclined to sympathize with her and think she was just born bad even though her behaviour could be a result of a messed up upbringing, the bad things that happen to her are not as strongly condemned by the narrative as say the bad things that have happened to Tyrion which causes people to dismiss them or at least I feel that's the case). I think GRRM was trying to portray her as a tragic character, but at the same time I feel like there are a lot of things he could have improved in how he has written her and I think she is treated unfairly by the narrative compared to her brothers who also do morally repugnant things and Tyrion's crimes are arguably on the same level as what Cersei has done.
@@ВикторСкачков-в9ч why do u bother over some ppls internet comments? Cant we talk some shit just for entertainment...no matter the tragic backstory that probably even euron has in this universe. Also she didnt just have sex, she had sex with her first cousin and her brother especially. Sure that wouldnt fly that well on CNN today either.
And how much is her grief for Joffery's death really about her son's death or the fear of the prophecy that has dangled over her head which says that the deaths of her children prelude her own demise. That's why to me almost everything about her "love" for her children is disingenuous. She treats her children as more like tools than anything else.
She mentally tortured her sweet son tommen not too long ago. The one she claims she has so much love for. Just because he dared to raise his voice to her
"Her son needed her. The realm needed her. She had to escape at any cost."
Yeap she's totally delusional at this point.
It’s almost funny, she was already nuts but you can mark the moment she REALLY falls off the deep end…
Total narcissist
Possibly the most satisfying chapter in the story so far. The culmination of all Cersei's lying, scheming and cruelty just blowing up in her face. Thanks David!
I so agree.
"Loras Tyrell,Ozny Catlebeck and THE moon boy" always get me laughing
@@InfamousB9Loras Tyrell?
@@kingofdragons7 Yeah,who did Cersei fuck except those 3
@@kingofdragons7 That we know
I smiled when I saw Cersei had a chapter. Purely malicious by the way, Cersei is so mind-bogglingly self absorbed and views herself so highly that I gain such a sense of pleasure and satisfaction in her suffering that it makes me a bit concerned.
It's quite ironic how Cersei's paranoia about the Tyrells made her blame them for every crime except the one they are actually responsible for (Joffreys's death)
She also probably would have been safe if she had tried to cooperate with the Tyrells instead of trying to bring them down.
It's like that scene in Breaking Bad where Mike and Walt have their last interaction where Walt tries to preen up at Mike one last time and then Mike tells Walt basically all the crap we are in where they are on the run and worse is because of Walts big ego which is exactly what Cersei did screwed both their houses because of her inability tp temper her lust for power
@@Argos-xb8ek Walt did everything for his family though and his wife repaid his hard work and sacrifice by breaking it (pun intended). I'm not excusing the innocents he killed but he killed way more deserving than undeserving. Cersei was just crazy and unjust to everyone.
@@demonwolf570 Walt said he did everything for his family, but at the end even he admitted that it wasn't really about that anymore after a certain point. Thinking Skylar did anything wrong tbh is some teenager or incel shit
“My Letter never Reached Him, Else wise he would’ve come.”
Meanwhile Jamie: No…. Put this in the fire.
I'm getting some 'mad queen' vibes from her seeing Tyrion in every shadow.
It's like how the max king saw enemies everywhere.
"My own sweet son." Good grief, Cersei. Joffrey was NOT sweet, and the entire realm knows that all too well.
Tommen and Myrcella are the sweet ones. Those poor kids don’t deserve what they’re getting right now.
@@garlantyrell6368 To say that Tommen and Myrcella deserve a better mother would be a MASSIVE understatement!
He was to her because she raised him to be another version of her, and in her conceited mind he couldn't have a better model.
Parents are so often blind to their kids' flaws, though. Cersei is just one of many
The realm doesnt know it. He wasnt king long enough to show everyone so they loved him because of Tyrelle's bread. The common folk cares only about bread and not being murdered. Which... Fair enough
29:51
A lot of people are glossing over this, but Cersei groomed Lancel, used him, discarded him, and is likely planning to have him killed.
She was a thirty-something woman in the most powerful position she could muster, and Lancel was a teenager who was told to obey her every command.
He still is a teenager, and is suffering from physical torment and psychological damage, and Cersei’s first instinct when seeing him is to add him to her list.
😂😂😂😂I swear I love her chapters
She nearly killed him when she struck him while he had an arrow in him during the Battle of The Blackwater. She crippled him made him weak and caused him to turn to religion to cope with the loss of his strength and looks and the guilt he felt probably in throwing the whole realm into war causing countless deaths including that of his own brother all because he lusted and loved after a woman who can't love anyone but herself and power.
I got a glass of wine listening to this . I just couldn't resist enjoying cersei's misery in the best way I could !
Nice of her to remember she has a daughter.
I thought the same of Tyrion in season 7, when he despised Ellaria about poisoned Myrcella, even when he didn't name her three seasons ago.
I find myself at a loss as to how Cersei can be so mind-boggedly self absorbed... she blames everyone else but herself for her situation, including each one she mistreated and discarded, and still thinks everything and everyone is hers to take and the world revolves around her.
5:34 funny how Cersei counts on the sympathy between women when it benefits her, while she might as well be one of the most misogynistic POV characters of the series.
Honestly, I rather side with Catelyn's POV than Cersei's.
Burning down towers, laying false blame left and right, bad ruling, imprisoned and insane. Shes nothing like Aerys. I see no problem here.
Yeah of course, she even has three children, a good son, a mad son and a sweet daughter. Nothing like Aerys. Aerys had children with his sibling, and had many lovers. No similarities. Cersei loves a Lannister and hates another, very unlike Aerys.
@@tarlochansingh620Joffrey was not mad, just cruel
I think psychopathy/sociopathy is still classified as a mental illness
@tarlochansingh620 not to mention, her extreme paranoia and wrongful torture and executions. She totally isn't the bastard of the mad king
I know it's just theory with little evidence, but Cersei's behavior is pure Targaryen. No one can tell me there is no dragon blood in the Lannisters because Lan the Clever is not from the seven kingdoms...
Cersei literally lost to her own game. Brilliant! 😂 (btw thanks for another great chapter read, much appreciated 😊)
The way Cersei still hasn’t learned one damn thing is maddening!!! Ahhhh!!! These chapters are amazing, she is so insane and so fun to hate
She is far too narcissistic, selfish, and small minded to learn any self improvement. In her twisted mind, she needs no improvement.
Another fantastic reading . Unbelievably better then the official audiobook. Thank you ser.
Jamie ain't coming, Cersei; he has abandoned you. You are reaping what you've sown.
Cersei's thoughts when she discovered that Jaime and Brienne disappeared to meet Stoneheart: "Impossible, Jaime would never abandon me for that creature!"
Me: You know nothing, Cersei Lannister!
P.S: Imagine if Jaime and Brienne starts to hang out in TWOW and Cersei hears of this!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je No, she sure as hell does not!
It’s also funny Cercei said “Her?” All disgustingly when Jamie ran with Brianne.
If Jaime comes back, it's only to lead Cersei to her death.
I am the Queen!!!
-I mean, the crone came to me with her lamp held high-!
To be sure..
Lol
Guess now you know what Tyrion went through, Cersei. How does it feel, Queen Regent? Face it, lady. You DO NOT have the people's love. Whose fault is that?
Knowing Cersei, anyone but hers in her twisted mind.
Except for Tyrion was innocent of the crime while Cersei has literally done everything she's being accused of and then some
@@Argos-xb8ek Yeah!
I genuinely don't understand how people don't like Feast for Crows and Dance With Dragons. I genuinely don't understand.
I love this chapter... and can't wait for you to get to Cersei's walk of shame. I love that chapter.
Thanx for reading this for us. 💖
Atonement, there is no shame where there is truth & justice.
in theory anyway! perhaps not so much in practice
@@renaigh 🤔 I hear what you're saying. But Cersei isn't actually atoning because she is not truly contrite... and I mean the only reason Cersei is in this position is because of her actions anyway. She thought she could control the High Sparrow and she thought she could bring down Margarey.
So is it really atonement? 🤔
@@dablackangel not on her end of the deal
And just for the record... I will say that I think the High Sparrow charging her of the crime of having sex after her husband dies is absolute bullshit... and it seemed like he was real quick to ignore the incest and illegitimacy of Tommen... but I imagine that it probably suits him to have a child king in power. I believe it's happened once before before Maegor the Cruel. The king was weak and the Faith / Warrior's Sons had a lot of people. So the High Sparrow is full of shit too.
But eff me George is brilliant 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾💖💖💖
George will never let us enjoy someone "getting what they deserve" without throwing some sort of dang old complication in there. It rocks that the Sparrows don't end up punishing her for any of her MANY crimes against the people, but bring her low for the crimes of having sex and being a woman (though you'd think being wanton by nature like all other women would get you some sort of leniency on that score). Many such cases!
I swear this kind of genius writing is what makes George one of the greatest fantasy writers of modern times. I always refer back to how he said "the only thing writing about is the human heart in conflict with itself". Nothing is black and white or easily overcome in George's view. Maturity requires a brutal honesty. Very challenging for the average reader to confront.
I agree, I get no enjoyment out of reading the walk of punishment.
I agree the punishment doesn't really coalesce with everything she did, but then I remember melara, lady, baby bara, her own baby just because it was Roberts and not Jaime and then raising Joffrey to be such a fucking monster of a child which later led to the raid of the river lands, Oberyn death and then I laugh like a toddler when I read her walk of shame.
Sorry not sorry.
Cersei did not commit any crime against the people. Her crime against the faith was having the former high septon killed, nothing more. Her other treasons are not the faith’s business as they have got no right or power to judge members of the Royal family. It’s not really that complicated. The sparrows overreached themselves big time.
@@Joggi98
And we care about your irrelevant sources of pleasure why???
Great job by you... + the cats 🐱. My dog awakens now + then when your felines are asking for food. Good stuff
Thank you for sharing. Your passion for your work rings clearly. You put so much effort and talent into your readings. ♥
I think one of the few things the show got right, although probably unintentionally, was Cercei and her stupidity. Toned down her cruelty slightly but the theme of digging herself into a bigger hole remains
thank you again for all your work
Thanks for listening!
Im sure everyone is starting to miss good old Aerys and his comparably "mildly ecentric" antics, i mean yeah he was quite nutty at the end but he started out alright.
I agree with stichpuppy below that the direct parallels with Cersei and Aerys keep stacking up!
I have a strong suspicion things would have turned out far better if it was Robert who was killed at the Trident. From what Rhaegar said to Jaime just before he left, I think that council he intended to call would have been his first step in removing his father from power, and since he says he meant to do it sooner it was clearly on his mind for a while. "The wrong man came back from the Trident." I think Cersei was actually right on that count.
i find it so funny that she thinks she's a genius when she is the stupidest ruler ever.
She had a Warrior heart LOL. Cersei the Warrior Queen,the First of Her Name.
A warrior heart, but a lunatic brain.
I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS ONE
Yes! I’ve been looking forward to this chapter! Great video as always
I honestly think that the faith has "something up thier sleeves" so to speak in regards to the trial by combat, as it just seems to easy.
Tyrion was trying to protect Myrcella!
Probably loved the poor girl more than her own mother ever did
She never mentioned Myrcella,Cersei only were interested in power giving her through her sons
How again did he attempt to protect her?
@@tripleskittlez How about sending her away from king's landind (in a soon risk from a siege) and making the peace with house Martell throught a marrige, with the protection of Ser Arys Oatheart from the kingsguard?
What gets me the most is how self centered she is shown in her interaction with Kevan. And lord knows what poor Kevan had to be feeling towards Cersei. In this war his Neice and Nephew started Kevan Lost one son while he was a prisoner his eldest son Lancel became a zealot and pawn for Cerseis despicable schemes theres no telling what Lancel told him and his other son was a war prisoner for most of it. He lost his brother and Cersei stripped of him the Title of Warden of The West for no other reason then out of spite. He had to sit and watch Cersei tear his world and all of Tywins planning apart in the need to feed her grandiose ambition.
7:33 Cersei is so full of crap. Lyanna had a woman's body but was able to wield a sword well there was nothing stopping Cersei from learning from Jamie.
She is a coward and a weakling.
As in the society and culture of Westeros has deemed her as a woman to be too weak to wield a sword, not that she is literally too weak.
Lyanna didn't have a sword training either, she was only training with Benjen when they were little kids without their father's knowing.
Cersei was also dressing as Jaime and joining his sword lessons as a kid without her father's knowing.
So Cersei and Lyanna's situation wasn't really different.
Only Arya and Brienne got to learn sword fighting because Ned and Selwyn are the best fathers of Westeros and would do anything to make their kids happy!
@@teamblack204 Cersei never got to join any of Jaime's sword lessons, by the time he would've gotten those, not even dressing alike would have fooled anyone into thinking Cersei was him.
@@DominionSorcerer I seem to remember Cersei and Jaime were crossdressing and joining each other's activities
@@teamblack204 they did crossdress while younger, but Cersei never attended swordfighting lessons. She would have been outed immediately, so would Jaime because he would have never had the patience required for anything young noblewomen are taught in Westeros.
There are many misogynist characters in the series; Randyll Tarly, Stannis, Joffrey... But now I think about it, I see the most misogynist character was Cersei all alone.
That even effects her "love" for her children: she clearly favored Joffrey, he was her golden son, her firstborn and crown prince, her way to power.
Same as Tommen, a sweet boy and now the king, her way to power.
But she barely remembers Myrcella and doesn't seem to care about her only daughter at all. She just heard her daughter got heavily wounded, yet her reaction is literally like "Oh no! Anyway". I'd dare to say even Ser Arys Oakheart (who is probably my favorite background character) cared for Myrcella more than her own mother does...
She is definitely a misogynist a self hating woman. All of the women around her who are powerful in their right she despises and trashes. Immediately tearing them down based off appearance. She only cares that Myrcellas appearance has been damaged. She’s a twisted b*tch.
Cersei is misandrisy also, she belittles everyman she meets except for Tywin. Cersei is just a sociopath that looks down on everyone.
@@theelectricprince8231 I wouldn't say she's a misandrist. She has a notable penis envy, she looks down upon women and femininity. Like how she said "I should have wear the armor and you the dress" to Robert, despising feminity and praising masculinity. Or "I should have been given the sword, not Jaime", again, her mind is connecting superiority to masculinity...
Alt Shift X put it well, she's a self-hating woman. A female misogynist.
Stannis is not a misogynist
As horrible of a person as Cersei is, I admit that I enjoy the character.
This chapter is a textbook example of narcissistic person in a position of authority and high status (be it political, religious or corporate) reaches too high and can No longer control their own ego long enough to see reason or think things through more clearly…in the end Cersei has no one to blame but herself for her ultimate fate 😂 0:01
David you are brilliant
Thank you! And thanks for listening!
Alas the pettiest are usually the craziest... Is it worth it? If you love them i guess but its hard especially when both are nuts then it gets too much lol
How can a person be so ignorant and delusional about the situation at hand? God these Cersei chapter are the most infuriating ones.
The realm would be better off without her. Who does she think she is?
Right!!?? She's truly insane to think she has done any good in her tenure as Queen.
She's the QUEEEEEN!!!
The High Sparrow sounds strangely like Roose Bolton! I thought it was Kettleblack but I don't have a physical copy of the books.
Cersei just making shit up at the end 😂
after what she put Sansa through, she deserves it.
Sansa, All of House Stokeworth, Lancel, Loras, the Blue Bard, High Septon, all of Lady Margery's ladies and Margery herself along with that poor maid she first gave to Qyburn. And that's just in Feast
Sansa alone? Sansa was probably the least harmed among all of her victims.
@@Argos-xb8ek don’t forget about all the dwarves
@@Argos-xb8ek well to be fair she never tried to hurt lollis stokeworth or her mother i think
@@teamblack204 ... Exactly!
Great septa voice! xD
So excited for this chapter 🎉
Oooh i been waiting for this one!
One would think that this experience would humble her. But this is Cersei we’re talking about.
The realm has need of her 🤣
Me: You know nothing, Cersei Lannister!
The only thing the realm needs from her is to keel over dead or be locked up in a cell for life.
jfc she is obsessed with Tyrion!
if only he knew how much psychological damage he’s done to his sister, he’d be so proud
It was also that fortune teller she went to. Her predictions unnerved her so much that she went out of her way to never trust Tyrion no matter what.
The High Septon is Roose Bolton, change my mind.
Oh shit oh fuck oh God oh no oh jeez oh boy
He is Holland Reed lol
no he’s strong belwas
Thanks David
I enjoyed myself so much 41 min felt Like 5 XD i was Like wtf when the Audio stopped
I find it hard to not feel sorry for Cersei in this chapter. And, ironically enough, she DID do much for the Kettleblacks, Waters etc. And she WAS betrayed
Do they owe her for that?
Shits about to get real
David I think U should read The Princess and the Queen especially since House of the Dragon will be released next year. Unless we get Winds of Winter.
Princes and the Quenn are awesome book,I listen it narating by Ian Glen - Jorah Mormont
I love her chapters haha the best.
Like Father, Like Daughter.
8 months... C'mon man give us more
32:19 man, Cersei is in for a rude awakening I'm afraid...
After a chapter like this it's so sad grrm will never finish the books so we can have a proper ending
I hate Cersei all through Feast, but as soon as Dance comes around I am fully in her corner. Fuck the faith and their hypocrisy, their misogyny, their nastiness.
I will not be sad when Cersei burns them all!
Cersei brought the wrath of the Faith and the poor fellows on herself
@@Argos-xb8ek They don't hate her because she tortures and lies and abuses.
They hate her because she's a woman in power.
@@shinjinobrave It would be different if she wasn't guilty of everything they imprisoned her for. She did have an affair under Robert with Jamie and Lancel she did plot the murder of Robert and formet High Septon she even put the same people that imprisoned her in power because she thought she could control them all with the suffering she brought upon the common folk especiallyin Kings Landing. Their blatant misogyny aside I feel just writing their disdain for Cersei as misogyny is dishonest to the horrors and suffering she caused the common people.
Whilst I agree about The Faith, Cersi brought it on herself
Nah, she deserves everything she gets and then some.
Disregarding her comupence just because of misogyny is silly.
Her need to blame Tyrion for everything is just cringe.
ME TO CERSEI: "Can you name ONE THING you don't blame on Tyrion?"
this might seem like an odd question but I'm curious: this chapter is one of the longest in ADWD page wise, yet there's a fairly average running time to this video (for this point in the series), the previous chapter has an equal amount of pages I think yet almost runs an extra 10 minutes. You seem to read these at a fairly consistent speed, and this chapter (if I remember correctly) is pretty low on dialogue so there'd be minimal need for starting new paragraphs. Was just wondering if there's anything that would account for that I guess or if its just a fluke. thanks so much for these, you're a terrific narrator!
Yeah prob
In the kindle edition I'm using to record these, this chapter is 14 pages, where Jon's previous chapter is 17. But sometimes certain characters slow things down a surprising amount if they talk in a slow, ponderous manner and have a lot of dialogue. It might just be a split second per sentence, but if they have some sort of lengthy A Feast for Crows type monologue that can add up. ANd thank you for your kind words!
@@DavidReadsASoIaF ahhhh ok, for some reason I remembered reading this chapter was 18 pages but you're right! thanks for the response!
Its because lasting of dialogues
What David said
is the priest the same guy we met with the knight lady?
Yes. Her name is Brienne.
no, that was septon meribald. the high sparrow is a different character entirely
**claps and cheers**
40:26 😂😂😂😂
High Sparrow should not have let her out. Wildfire or not, it will not end well.
Her and Tyrion love that breast plate analogy
First off you are incredible David! In my opinion feast and dance are the weaker books in the series(so far) but honestly 3 of my top 10 fav chapters in the series are from Dance(A ghost in winterfell, Cersei I, and Reek II)
I'm sure that if the Others came to King's Landing and murdered everyone Cersei would still find it in her to blame Tyrion.
Less than 20 chapters left, nooooooooooo
This woman is delusional.
I need someone to believe in me like cersei believes in jaime
She is just the worst
The comment section here truly disgusts me. Cersei is a tragic character and people should have a little more sympathy for her:
She loves her family members except for Tyrion (more specifically, her children, her brother and lover, Jaime, her father, Tywin and her mother, Joanna). She is very protective of her children, doesn't want them to die and constantly fears for their safety.
When her son Joffrey dies, she breaks down over his corpse and cries and then she stays with his corpse and mourns it for days. At one point, she has a nice dream where Joffrey is still alive and she marries her brother, Jaime.
She is angry when Tyrion sends her daughter, Myrcella, to Dorn without her permission and starts threatening him. She breaks down into tears when he mentions that if Myrcella stays, she could be killed in the coming battle. She is also shocked when she learns that Myrcella has lost one of her ears.
In the fourth book she gets very protective of her son, Tommen, after the death of Joffrey. When Tommen chokes on his wine, she is afraid that someone had poisoned him, quickly stands up and goes to him to help. When she discovers that no one has poisoned him, she goes away and starts crying. During her imprisonment by the Faith Militant, she constantly thinks about her son and how she wants to go back to him. When she goes back to him, she starts spending a lot more time with him than ever before because she was relieved to see him again after her long imprisonment.
At one point, she had a nightmare where Tyrion has tied her up. She begs him to spare her kids, even though in the dream her own life is in danger.
She also incestiously loves Jaime. While she mistreats him in the fourth book and sends him away, she still thinks often about him and when she is imprisoned, she has a dream about marrying him. When he doesn't come to rescue her, she feels hurt on a personal level and desperately tries to convince herself that her letter for help probably didn't reach him or else he would come back for her.
She loves her father as she wants his respect, constantly thinks about what he would do and is sad when he dies.
She loves her mother. She blames her younger brother, Tyrion, for "killing" her mother because this is what she saw from her father. She also mentions to Sansa that when she was a little girl she prayed to the Gods to give her mother back.
There are a few occasions, where she is even nice to Tyrion. At one point, they share a cup of wine and laugh at a joke and Cersei even hugs him and lifts him after he delivers some good news to her. On another occasion, when one of the men refuses to follow Tyrion's orders, Cersei interferes and the man starts following. On another occasion, she admits that Tyrion is very useful and apologizes for how she had treated him in the past. She ends up subverting this because in the present, she wants to kill Tyrion and has put a bounty on his head. But the reason for this is because she genuinely believes that he wants to kill her remaining kids, has killed Joffrey and her father and is conspiring against.
Another prevention is that Cersei is a bit too tragic and her tragedy holds up. She lost her mother at the age of 7, she was born in a highly sexist society where women are inferior to men and she had to witness every day how she and Jaime would be treated differently (one example is that Jaime was groomed to be Tywin's heir because he was a boy, even though Cersei was older than him) and this treatment made Cersei extremely resentful of her status.
At the age of 10, Cersei received a prophecy from Maggy that all of her kids would die, that a younger and more baeutiful queen would take everything she holds dear and then Cersei herself would be killed by her younger brother. Needless to say, this made Cersei very paranoid about her life and the lives of her children and made her even more abusive towards Tyrion because she believes that he is the younger brother from the prophecy. A lot of the crimes that are listed above are an attempt to prevent this prophecy from happening and saving her children and herself.
Another aspect that makes her tragic is that her father, Tywin, was neglectful most of the time and he was a brutal ruler who taught his kids that they should be merciless, that they should care about morality only about the end results and so on. There is enough evidence that Cersei was seriously affecte by this upbringing. For example, on one occasion, while she is torturing the Blue Bard, she feels bad for him and wants to stop the torture. But then, she remembers that her father would probably be ashamed of her sign of weakness and he wouldn't do something like that, so she continues with the torture.
She was married to Robert Baratheon, who cheated on her and abused her by sometimes even raping her which also has an affect on her because she feels powerless during the rapes and she doesn't want this to happen again.
In the world of Westeros if it's discovered that she had cheated on her husband with Jaime, she and all of her kids would be executed. The reason why she kills Robert and Ned is because she wants to protect her life and the life of her kids from execution.
In general, she has suffered from systematic sexism for most of her life starting from childhood where she and Jaime were treated differently because of their gender and Jaime was groomed to become the heir to Casterly Rock while she was groomed to be married off despite being older than her brother. When she was married to her husband, she also suffered from the sexism of her society because her husband was allowed to cheat on her while if she was caught cheating, she and her entire family would be executed. She was also raped because there was no definition of marital rape in Westeros.
As the above examples show, she also suffers from a lot of insecurities (about being a woman, winning her father's approval, being fit to rule, etc.). She also has insecurities about not having any friends and she immediately decides to befriend the first woman she meets in the fourth book simply because she doesn't want to feel lonely.
There is a small moment where she displays a little honor. After Ned gives her a chance to escape with her children from the city before he reports to Robert that she had been cheating on him, Cersei tells him that she because of this she would allow him to go back to Winterfell with his life if he kneels to Joffrey and swears fealty to him. Ned doesn't do it and he ends up dead for this reason.
Even though she is rude to Sansa, she still tries to give her advice about how to rule as a Queen, about the specifics of the female body and that she shouldn't love too many people or else she would get hurt. It's implied that the reason for this is because Cersei sees Sansa as a younger and more inexperienced version of herself. She ends up subverting that by desiring to execute Sansa but the reason for that is because she genuinely believes that Sansa was involved in joffrey's death.
She is capable of feeling remorse on certain occasions. After the torture of the Blue Bard, she feels bad about it and tries to justify herself. During her Walk of Shame, she sees Sansa Stark and other people she had wronged, remembers about Ned Stark and it's heavily implied that she feels bad about some of the things she has done throughout her life.
She is also played for sympathy a lot as shown by the above examples. Aside from the examples that are already mentioned, during the Walk of Shame when she paraded naked through the streets of the city and the common people throw things at her, the story tries to frame the moment as an "Alas. Poor Villain" by presenting it from Cersei's point of view, presenting it in excrusiating detail, showing how it affects her psyche and showing that she feels some remorse during the event. The story clearly tries to make the readers feel bad for her during this chapter.
I mostly agree! She’s a very complicated character, and one of my favorite examples of the idea that “hurt people hurt people” in fiction, certainly in fantasy fiction.
BUT!
The fact that Cersei is someone who is hurting doesn’t diminish the extent to which she cruelly hurts others. It just makes it complicated and makes us realize that a lot of her malice comes from fear, pain, and human frailty (as is the case for real people in the real world). I think this is particularly vivid in how she treats Tommen, a son she loves and cherishes and ABUSES. The way she treats him throughout A Feast for Crows is horrifying (remember the incident where Tommen stands up to her and she forced him to brutally hurt his whipping boy with his own hands, threatening Pate with having his TONGUE REMOVED if Tommen refuses?). I don’t really think Cersei’s love for her children is at all redemptive like it is on the show, where they don’t depict her as being abusive like that. I think she, like a lot of abusive parents in real life, sees her kids as extensions of herself.
I also think Cersei feeling bad about the horrible things she does isn’t really redemptive, just another thing that shows she’s human. Human beings aren’t, in my view, built for cruelty and making other people suffer. We’re just naturally repelled by that, which is why you need the warping power of ideology or trauma or both to make it something you can easily do. Cersei feels bad, because on some level she’s still repulsed, but she silences those feelings or explains them away so she can continue hurting people (she’s sickened by what she and Qyburn do to the blue bard but ultimately blames it on Margery! Absolving herself of all responsibility and assuring herself she was right to do it).
But that doesn’t mean she’s not complicated! She herself was subject to abuse and cruelty and, as you say, the brutal patriarchy of Westeros throughout her upbringing and into her adult hood (where Robert abused her in a hideous variety of ways). And she was raised with Tywin’s vile contempt of the small folk and basically everyone who isn’t a Lannister. Even her extremely privileged position doesn’t spare her from any of that. And she lacks the vocabulary to recognize injustice writ large, as opposed to injustice that is exceptionally part of her own experience, which further contributes to the poisonous ways she makes sense of her own life.
I’m with you that it’s hard to really celebrate as Cersei is brought low not for her many actual crimes but simply for being a woman and having sex, but I really do think she’s a villain. Just an extraordinarily well written villain whose evil comes from a place that is clearly recognizable and isn’t just her nature. That’s one of the things I love about George’s writing.
Thanks for leaving such a detailed and thoughtful comment!
@@DavidReadsASoIaF Yeah, I mostly agree with you. I am not saying that Cersei is good or should be excused, but at the same time I don't think that she is exceptionally worse than the other characters in the story and while she is bad, her awfulness tends to be exaggerated by the fandom. She is nowhere near as bad as Aerys or Maegor Targaryen for example but gets far more hate than either of them.
If you look at what Tyrion, for example, has done, you will realize that in terms of actions he is just as bad as Cersei. Tyrion arms the mountain clans and then goads them to attack the Vale (at one point he is even proud of his plan to burn the Vale which shows that this is intentional on his part) just to get revenge on Lysa for falsely imprisoning him, sends the Antler's men to Joffrey to be tortured and executed and they get antlers nailed to their heads before being parachuted, has a singer cooked and then fed to the poor people of King's Landing without them knowing, commits a number of other murders and also rapes a prostitute girl in ADWD. However, Tyrion is still a fan favorite character.
Even Daenerys crucified over 163 people chosen at random and tortured some random guy for information along with his daughters (I don't see how that is any less morally repugnant than what Cersei did with the Blue Bard).
Personally, I wouldn't be so frustrated if fans just acknowedged that almost everyone in ASOIAF is different shades of awful, but instead they just single out some characters they don't like and act like what they have done is exceptionally evil and completely gloss over when characters they like do things that are just as bad.
I think that maybe this comes to an extent from the fact that GRRM has portrayed her with less sympathy compared to many of his other characters (she gets her own POV chapters in the fourth book and by then most people have already formed their opinions about her, she is in conflict with a lot of POV characters the fans are fond of like the whole Stark family, Tyrion and now even Jaime, her flashbacks from her childhood still show her as a bully which makes people even less inclined to sympathize with her and think she was just born bad even though her behaviour could be a result of a messed up upbringing, the bad things that happen to her are not as strongly condemned by the narrative as say the bad things that have happened to Tyrion which causes people to dismiss them or at least I feel that's the case).
I think GRRM was trying to portray her as a tragic character, but at the same time I feel like there are a lot of things he could have improved in how he has written her and I think she is treated unfairly by the narrative compared to her brothers who also do morally repugnant things and Tyrion's crimes are arguably on the same level as what Cersei has done.
@@ВикторСкачков-в9ч why do u bother over some ppls internet comments? Cant we talk some shit just for entertainment...no matter the tragic backstory that probably even euron has in this universe.
Also she didnt just have sex, she had sex with her first cousin and her brother especially. Sure that wouldnt fly that well on CNN today either.
And how much is her grief for Joffery's death really about her son's death or the fear of the prophecy that has dangled over her head which says that the deaths of her children prelude her own demise. That's why to me almost everything about her "love" for her children is disingenuous. She treats her children as more like tools than anything else.
She mentally tortured her sweet son tommen not too long ago. The one she claims she has so much love for. Just because he dared to raise his voice to her
jaime was taken by Brianne. Grrm knows how to write