@@abhinandhari7812 But your reply is so generic and obviously the meta wasn't so developed. But what was the game truly like. With someone good at analysis telling us, it's something very interesting to watch I feel
@@warrier705 I think it is more of teams being more coordinated than they were used to be. Sentinels who usually focus more on solo plays don't really work out if the team can coordinate and perform together, which I think might be the reason. Edit: So the problem after watching this video is Sentinels is more inconsistent than other teams
@@ContentOf_OfflineTVAndFriends Very true. But I remember watching a video by Seam Gares on one of sentinels icebox maps during last years Reykjavikn and going away from it thinking Shazam was doing a good job with his shot calling and rotations. So what exactly changed would still honestly interest me. A kind of deep dive as to what is something we would commonly see nowadays from a good team, versus back then, where such basic ideas and counter plays were not yet developed.
Ppl always say that only to Sen matches. At least Sen matches look like high elo, some other teams often times play like a 5 stack silver team practicing for the vct. A lot of teams play egoistic and don't trade but no one focuses nor talks about them cause they aren't Sentinels
@@343JustMe there's no other t1 team playing like this. no one would care if they were t2/t3 but the fact that they are t1 and was one of the best back then playing like this now is what's frustrating. PRX has a "w key into site" playstyle but those guys has insane coordination and util usage so it works out for them.
Sentinels is one of those teams that look really good on their good games, and then really freakin weird on their bad games. I will never forget how oddly they played Split
sick has a weird addiction to sticking his ults, has anybody told him it's possible to cancel it lol. it's only ever worked once for him (haven, c backsite) but that was because the enemy was on a save and whiffed on him. what's even more annoying is that his omen would probably have more impact if he just didn't use his ult at all, dying when u're team hasn't secured a site yet is pretty bad for a controller.
Prob bcz of his game style. Smokes role is very different. He was a duelist/init role person. So he is very aggro with his omen and well they are sentinels (individually gifted people) so they think they can win most duels. Which isn't good for team. But sick is doing way better than almost all other teammates, considering its his first time on new role.
@@darkaberr1705 probably. they really need to stop relying on their mechanics to win them games. i'd argue the player doing the best on their role right now in their team is kanpeki tho, his initiator looks solid right now. sick is almost there just needs to get out of his weird addictions lol
@@GraviQuate Obviously Kanpeki will play well with initiator role. But he is not the most consistent player. Sick is, see his stats even on omen. Considering its his first tournament. The problem with them is their ego peeks and roles. Shahz on sova, sick on omen just doesnt feel right at all. Also tenz not able to play other agents kinda limits their potential. Tenz is also very inconsistent. He plays like god in one match then plat in one match.
I feel like it such a mental war for sentinels. just like in this match they started the match pretty good, playing as a team and holding back on frag for guarantee win rounds, but everything went downhill when the ego started to kicks in and thinking that "im better than them". I mean just look at shahzam on the 4th round, tell me thats not such an ego play. Dont get me wrong im not dumping all the mistake on shaz alone but i mean u could literally see where the problem is
@@deaid well if he wanted to reposition he should have used his two smokes looks more like he was trying to catch one of them off guard when they were running out with the flash
When talking about that Sick ultimate towards elbow. I usually put down my smokes in elbow and CT then ask my team to execute on my teleport, which is in the corner backsite. So if anyone is playing site they will get pinched by me/my duelist.
true it cause chaos and confusion, if they decided to chase the Omen's TP they will leave the site open, or at least less defenders to hold. If they ignore the TP and decided to defend the site against the execute, they will get pinched and be paranoid about their flanks. Sick's ult on Elbow could have been gone better if they execute it with him.
What was that box play from shazam? If you wouldve shown me that without the names shown I would have assumed he was bronze. The amount of angles he made himself open to
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When you watch Sentinels you either think “This is why they are the best” or “How on earth did these guys Win Berlin?” I still think Sentinels is a great team but like all teams they have their problems, maybe because they won Berlin their mistakes are criticized more. Still a good team though, hoping they make it far this season
Even my silver team mates don't use Omen ult like that... If they were combo the Omen ult with Sova ult or Fade or Breach long range abilities maybe it work but he doing it without support eith no information in very dangerous places
It's a shame that sick is playing this way. I feel like he could be a smoker just as or even better than marved but sick just probably feels like he still needs to be able to show that hes an insane fragger. His plays look like tenz when he just joined the team. To much over extending and solo play
I'm sorry but I burst into laughter when Sick just ran across like bdog seems to baffled and its hilarious... Sick had zero fear and just ran across LOL
I was so frustrated that neither dapr nor Kanpeki picked up the phantom that mada dropped at 5:47. At least Kanpeki ended up with a Vandal but dapr left the round with a spectre. That isn't the biggest deal in the world, but it is a really dumb mistake to make.
i think that the proper move would be to put sick back on the initiator role bring in zander instead of shahz and have him do smokes, probably put either kanpeki or tenz on duelist or chamber (doesnt matter who plays what imo) and keep dapr on viper/sentinel
it honestly just feels like they don’t try as hard, especially after a few rounds of winning, because they think they’ll destroy everyone but then they don’t
I think the Omen ult would make sense if timed right. Rather than to lurk, if used to generate aggro from behind enemy lines, then the rest of the team can use that to entry and improve their odds. Right now it seems like Sick is just doing whatever or Shaz is calling the shots and not timing it right. Maybe scrimming more might help? Idk.
Most players who are confident in their skills take 50-50 fights, Sen players on the other hand take 40-60 or even 30-70 fights... too much confidence in their aim really costs them sometimes. Sure they're good but they're playing against other pro players not ranked radiants/immortals.
^ this comment ^ Analyst would fit better not saying he can't be a coach, but he has a good read on the game & where the minor mistakes are happening & presents that infomation so even plebs like us can understand 😂. Analyst would make more sense (either for a team or for the genreal boardcast).
all of these weird plays are just cause they stream so much ranked where they don't get punished so these plays would work in ranked due the enemy's lack of teamwork but in the pro scene they dont.
with kanpeki replacing zombs, theyre losing their main controller and got another initiator player like sick and shazam already are. I think theyre like playing with the wrong players
Exaxcty, losing Zombs is a big deal. The team is like a Lego set. You can make something without the correct pieces but it won’t be nearly what you should have, without the correct prices. All Sen players are goated, but they’re not a competitive team after their second OG player had to leave.
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im a SEN fan again. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a twitch prime sub since 2021. I will watch them play again and renew my tier 3 sub to ShahZaM. I’m bringing my fanhood with SEN again where they actually know how to run a team.
Phoenix was only ever good on Haven and Bind. (Haven has free orbs each round and can plant b for free). Bind has the TP scout combo. But without the team setting up for it. His not as viable.
*_to be completely honest, SEN needs to start from scratch, period! Rebuilding roster, change their whole playstyle or whatever tf needs to be done for them, they gotta start from rock bottom! cause it's simply not working! At this stage nothing can change their "we the top dogs and we do wtf we feel like"- kinda mindset_* _shaz's sova and sick's omen is barely average, sometimes below average and it shows time to time! shaz was never a sova main and sick is a flex/battlesage jack of all agents kinda guy and whenever someone plays 5-6 agents it's pretty safe to say he's never gonna be the best in any positions! and tenZ is carrying sen by dropping 30 and doing some cruicial mistakes in crucial rounds which begets the downward spiral which leds to Sen loosing the map!_
They play ranked wayyy too much. I think they should cut back on playing ranked for streams and really scrim more often if they're serious about competing.
drop shaz and kanpeki for zander and sinatraa, zander igl and controller so sick can play raze because tenz is dogshit on raze and sinatraa can play sova instead of shaz and maybe tenz plays chamber.
That’s the point, they didn’t play bad and lost 13-11 in what could’ve been a win. They just make some weird decisions sometimes, that’s why I said frustrating and not bad
This channel is the epitome of a backseat coach. If you’re so good at analyzing games, why haven’t any org picked u up as their coach? Hindsight is always 20/20. What have u accomplished to actually talk about this? Have u coached any Valorant championship team at all?
@@jesther2575 yeah, some of his takes are. At the end of the day, he has no credibility. Would you rather listen to his take or an actual Valorant coach? You can’t deny that hindsight is always 20/20. Plus, playing on that level has tons of pressure. All im saying is, there’s a reason why the players he’s reviewing are actual pros and why he’s never coached a valorant championship-tier type team.
@@Adrian-cv1or So because he's never been a coach his opinion is null & void? Wouldn't that make your opinion null & void as well since your not a critic? Just because one has experience as a coach & one doesn't doesn't mean the coach knows best. To answer your question "Would you rather listen to his take or an actual Valorant coach?" Why not listen to both, two POV's is better then one & one might spot something the other couldn't (or wouldn't).
Request: Do you think you could review a popular map from SEN when they were “the undisputed best”, and see why things worked out back then?
Mainly because people weren't using much utility, and sentinels were winning most aim duels as such
@@abhinandhari7812 But your reply is so generic and obviously the meta wasn't so developed.
But what was the game truly like.
With someone good at analysis telling us, it's something very interesting to watch I feel
@@warrier705 yeah that is true
@@warrier705 I think it is more of teams being more coordinated than they were used to be. Sentinels who usually focus more on solo plays don't really work out if the team can coordinate and perform together, which I think might be the reason.
Edit: So the problem after watching this video is Sentinels is more inconsistent than other teams
@@ContentOf_OfflineTVAndFriends Very true. But I remember watching a video by Seam Gares on one of sentinels icebox maps during last years Reykjavikn and going away from it thinking Shazam was doing a good job with his shot calling and rotations.
So what exactly changed would still honestly interest me. A kind of deep dive as to what is something we would commonly see nowadays from a good team, versus back then, where such basic ideas and counter plays were not yet developed.
Genuinely feels like watching a ranked game full of ego players sometimes
pretty much feels like a high elo rank game
Ppl always say that only to Sen matches. At least Sen matches look like high elo, some other teams often times play like a 5 stack silver team practicing for the vct. A lot of teams play egoistic and don't trade but no one focuses nor talks about them cause they aren't Sentinels
@@343JustMe there's no other t1 team playing like this. no one would care if they were t2/t3 but the fact that they are t1 and was one of the best back then playing like this now is what's frustrating. PRX has a "w key into site" playstyle but those guys has insane coordination and util usage so it works out for them.
@@343JustMe no tier 1 team plays like that
@@343JustMe nah bro, looking like high elo gameplay is bad in PRO play. Their strat also have very shallow depth too.
it's really just so inconsistent. Occasionally they'll show a glimpse of the VCT winners, and sometimes it feels like I'm watching ranked demons
yup sometimes showing discipline of optic and sometimes just going prod mode
@@kieieiee9343 lmao that was literally Tenz when he played against faze in open qual
thanks for rephrasing exactly what he said in the first 30 seconds of the video
@@0_wba thanks for ironically providing no significant impact to this thread
@@jamescho9547 hes right tho
Sentinels is one of those teams that look really good on their good games, and then really freakin weird on their bad games. I will never forget how oddly they played Split
Agreed. They have high highs and very low lows especially nowadays
the number one conflict of our generation: thinking man's valorant v sen sick's omen ults
sick has a weird addiction to sticking his ults, has anybody told him it's possible to cancel it lol. it's only ever worked once for him (haven, c backsite) but that was because the enemy was on a save and whiffed on him. what's even more annoying is that his omen would probably have more impact if he just didn't use his ult at all, dying when u're team hasn't secured a site yet is pretty bad for a controller.
Prob bcz of his game style. Smokes role is very different. He was a duelist/init role person. So he is very aggro with his omen and well they are sentinels (individually gifted people) so they think they can win most duels. Which isn't good for team.
But sick is doing way better than almost all other teammates, considering its his first time on new role.
@@darkaberr1705 probably. they really need to stop relying on their mechanics to win them games. i'd argue the player doing the best on their role right now in their team is kanpeki tho, his initiator looks solid right now. sick is almost there just needs to get out of his weird addictions lol
@@GraviQuate Obviously Kanpeki will play well with initiator role. But he is not the most consistent player. Sick is, see his stats even on omen. Considering its his first tournament. The problem with them is their ego peeks and roles. Shahz on sova, sick on omen just doesnt feel right at all. Also tenz not able to play other agents kinda limits their potential. Tenz is also very inconsistent. He plays like god in one match then plat in one match.
The ranked instincts are in full display 😂
which parts exactly?
@@mr.mirror1213 shahz chasing, dapr in shower vs ecos, SicK ult on elbow....
@@mr.mirror1213 practically every "frustrating mistake" mentioned here is a result of ranked play syndrome.
More like pent up teenagers who want to reclaim their stardom but can’t cuz everyone catches up already
@@CaptainKipo-n6g xd
As a legend once said "sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe shite"
LOL
Imagine gattuso coaching sentinels 😂
As someone who used to be a fan of Sen they are so infuriating to watch now
#FullSEN through the highs and the lows
let me guess you're an optic fan now? typical bandwagons
@@urbad411 oh that would be funny but nah. I like fnc and prx tho so there is probably something u can say about that
@@Agentfirestarter the way they play is annoying, they all think they are heroes.
@@hassanedwan2799 yeah it's why I can't watch them anymore
I feel like it such a mental war for sentinels. just like in this match they started the match pretty good, playing as a team and holding back on frag for guarantee win rounds, but everything went downhill when the ego started to kicks in and thinking that "im better than them". I mean just look at shahzam on the 4th round, tell me thats not such an ego play. Dont get me wrong im not dumping all the mistake on shaz alone but i mean u could literally see where the problem is
Yeah Shahz rank instinct kicked in for that mistake
As an omen main, I can confirm that ulting into spawn almost never works because that’s the first spot they’ll expect you to be.
however in doing so, they concede control elsewhere on the map
14:16 There Tenz probably is thinking "I should've hit that" instead of "I shouldn't have peeked that"
Nope. He was definitely trying to reposition to play with his team on lamps, under no circumstances would anyone peek like that in pro play, trust me.
@@deaid well if he wanted to reposition he should have used his two smokes looks more like he was trying to catch one of them off guard when they were running out with the flash
i wouldn’t doubt that a team will try and pick u up as a coach, you’re really good at finding what they did wrong
When talking about that Sick ultimate towards elbow. I usually put down my smokes in elbow and CT then ask my team to execute on my teleport, which is in the corner backsite. So if anyone is playing site they will get pinched by me/my duelist.
That's what I think as well. I think their timing is just off maybe due to lack of scrimming.
Same i ult backsite and tell my teammates to execute
true it cause chaos and confusion, if they decided to chase the Omen's TP they will leave the site open, or at least less defenders to hold. If they ignore the TP and decided to defend the site against the execute, they will get pinched and be paranoid about their flanks. Sick's ult on Elbow could have been gone better if they execute it with him.
Ego is something that needs to be replaced with humility with the titles at stake.
i rarely comment but these vids are so interesting to me, thanks for the content dude
same but they help
What was that box play from shazam? If you wouldve shown me that without the names shown I would have assumed he was bronze. The amount of angles he made himself open to
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When you watch Sentinels you either think “This is why they are the best” or “How on earth did these guys Win Berlin?”
I still think Sentinels is a great team but like all teams they have their problems, maybe because they won Berlin their mistakes are criticized more.
Still a good team though, hoping they make it far this season
reyjavik i think the one they won not berlin
Also far from a good team mate
16:25 you gave too much credit to dapr lmao. he got out of hookah before deciding to jump back onto the window cill to 1v1 a raze ult
haha yeah i saw that too he already had less than half hp at that point probably wanted to bait the raze ult for kanpeki
Even my silver team mates don't use Omen ult like that...
If they were combo the Omen ult with Sova ult or Fade or Breach long range abilities maybe it work but he doing it without support eith no information in very dangerous places
With a fade ult it will be so strong
It's a shame that sick is playing this way. I feel like he could be a smoker just as or even better than marved but sick just probably feels like he still needs to be able to show that hes an insane fragger. His plays look like tenz when he just joined the team. To much over extending and solo play
I'm sorry but I burst into laughter when Sick just ran across like bdog seems to baffled and its hilarious... Sick had zero fear and just ran across LOL
I was so frustrated that neither dapr nor Kanpeki picked up the phantom that mada dropped at 5:47. At least Kanpeki ended up with a Vandal but dapr left the round with a spectre. That isn't the biggest deal in the world, but it is a really dumb mistake to make.
dapr didnt wanna ruin the crossfires set up and lose a 3v1. its a decent play. also statistically, 4 rifles is basically enough
@@caiusthue9606 He was already in tube when the dude died, taking a second to go get the gun would not have stopped any of that.
i think that the proper move would be to put sick back on the initiator role bring in zander instead of shahz and have him do smokes, probably put either kanpeki or tenz on duelist or chamber (doesnt matter who plays what imo) and keep dapr on viper/sentinel
And try to actually play as a team and not be lost all the time
kinda make sense bringing zander and benching shahz
Sick is great on omen but he gets too aggressive (probably due to his previous phoenix/skye playstyle)
@@we3ley2233 yea man i feel like this team wouldnt change at all if they will not change their igl
The only difference I would make is kanpeki swapped for a raze player cause raze seems like the best entry in this current meta
What was Shaz thinking during the 4th round? Like WHATTT???
His rank instinct kicked in. That's what you get when you're a pro playing too much rank lmao
man do you think they have to drop shahz? I dont know i feel like the team really needs an ''authority" something like coach/igl that they will follow
it honestly just feels like they don’t try as hard, especially after a few rounds of winning, because they think they’ll destroy everyone but then they don’t
Sentinels has tons of potential just need to stop making hero plays
yup but that isnt happening. the same problem has existed since challengers 1 and it doesnt seem to be getting fixed.
i think the play for sick when he luted elbow was to blind garden and push up (pinch)
I think Sen should go back to double duelist and have a similar style to prx
I think the Omen ult would make sense if timed right. Rather than to lurk, if used to generate aggro from behind enemy lines, then the rest of the team can use that to entry and improve their odds.
Right now it seems like Sick is just doing whatever or Shaz is calling the shots and not timing it right. Maybe scrimming more might help? Idk.
I think u should check out prx Vs avm icebox both teams no duelist damnn
it's so normal in EMEA btw😂
@@xplishitcontent haha thats so funny
Prx without a duelist? Whaaaaa. We got to see the vod!
Most players who are confident in their skills take 50-50 fights, Sen players on the other hand take 40-60 or even 30-70 fights... too much confidence in their aim really costs them sometimes. Sure they're good but they're playing against other pro players not ranked radiants/immortals.
love the content keep it up
What is this tool, that you use for demonstrating lineups on board
This guy should be a coach
he should be a analyst not a coach
^ this comment ^ Analyst would fit better not saying he can't be a coach, but he has a good read on the game & where the minor mistakes are happening & presents that infomation so even plebs like us can understand 😂. Analyst would make more sense (either for a team or for the genreal boardcast).
@@amadhatter3280 bro its not that deep
Zombs is probably confused why on earth does Sick keep committing to weird Omen TPs
all of these weird plays are just cause they stream so much ranked where they don't get punished so these plays would work in ranked due the enemy's lack of teamwork but in the pro scene they dont.
with kanpeki replacing zombs, theyre losing their main controller and got another initiator player like sick and shazam already are. I think theyre like playing with the wrong players
Exaxcty, losing Zombs is a big deal. The team is like a Lego set. You can make something without the correct pieces but it won’t be nearly what you should have, without the correct prices. All Sen players are goated, but they’re not a competitive team after their second OG player had to leave.
Frustration is the exact feeling I had watching this match
have u seen the most recent prx game? other sg/my teams and prx seem to be picking astra a lot recently, and they also ran TL's icebox comp I think
Can u analyze, why sentinels lose against EG?
Review nAts pleaseee
Someone send this to sick
This man needs to be Sentinel coach
Thats it. That seals the deal. Im a SEN fan again. I’ve been a fan since 2020 and a twitch prime sub since 2021. I will watch them play again and renew my tier 3 sub to ShahZaM. I’m bringing my fanhood with SEN again where they actually know how to run a team.
I don't get people that use copy pastas that aren't even remotely funny, brother everyone seen this everywhere already. You're late
sentinels are gonna need you as an analyst in order to excel
True I would sign a petition for that to happen
sick should do it once, then fake it to put pressure.
I'm Sick of these illogical Omen ults!
I saw earlier today someone pick Phoneix on Bind maybe you should check out.
Phoenix was only ever good on Haven and Bind. (Haven has free orbs each round and can plant b for free). Bind has the TP scout combo.
But without the team setting up for it. His not as viable.
1:16 the dog
*_to be completely honest, SEN needs to start from scratch, period! Rebuilding roster, change their whole playstyle or whatever tf needs to be done for them, they gotta start from rock bottom! cause it's simply not working! At this stage nothing can change their "we the top dogs and we do wtf we feel like"- kinda mindset_*
_shaz's sova and sick's omen is barely average, sometimes below average and it shows time to time! shaz was never a sova main and sick is a flex/battlesage jack of all agents kinda guy and whenever someone plays 5-6 agents it's pretty safe to say he's never gonna be the best in any positions! and tenZ is carrying sen by dropping 30 and doing some cruicial mistakes in crucial rounds which begets the downward spiral which leds to Sen loosing the map!_
I think they just trade shahz for zombs and they're good, shahz is tilting his whole team and he's not that strong of an igl
@@idkrossplay what can zombs do lol. They need a good initiator and rawkus played really well when he subbed for sick.
lack of scriming shows
sentinels win rounds with the power of friendship lmao
dear daddy valorant thinking man can u do prx no duelist comp vs todak on icebox
sorry to break it to you but that comp is nothing special. been ran by g2 and fnc already
@@MATTEEEH 😔
didnt g2 use that team comp like 5 months earlier
NGL you should become a caster
Sen needs to hire u LMFAO
Zombnayssh is still one of thr best controler
Oh this match no way
They play ranked wayyy too much. I think they should cut back on playing ranked for streams and really scrim more often if they're serious about competing.
They need a lot more discipline
sentineL
drop shaz and kanpeki for zander and sinatraa, zander igl and controller so sick can play raze because tenz is dogshit on raze and sinatraa can play sova instead of shaz and maybe tenz plays chamber.
Drop shahz yes but kanpeki? The fuck lol
I thought they played good
That’s the point, they didn’t play bad and lost 13-11 in what could’ve been a win. They just make some weird decisions sometimes, that’s why I said frustrating and not bad
@@ThinkingMansValorant they were better than before, but this are mistakes that no top team should make
This channel is the epitome of a backseat coach. If you’re so good at analyzing games, why haven’t any org picked u up as their coach? Hindsight is always 20/20. What have u accomplished to actually talk about this? Have u coached any Valorant championship team at all?
What are on about, the guy is literally just analyzing the game and his takes are actually good and make sense.
@@jesther2575 yeah, some of his takes are. At the end of the day, he has no credibility. Would you rather listen to his take or an actual Valorant coach? You can’t deny that hindsight is always 20/20. Plus, playing on that level has tons of pressure. All im saying is, there’s a reason why the players he’s reviewing are actual pros and why he’s never coached a valorant championship-tier type team.
@@Adrian-cv1or oh no someone feeling hurt
@@Adrian-cv1or So because he's never been a coach his opinion is null & void? Wouldn't that make your opinion null & void as well since your not a critic? Just because one has experience as a coach & one doesn't doesn't mean the coach knows best.
To answer your question "Would you rather listen to his take or an actual Valorant coach?" Why not listen to both, two POV's is better then one & one might spot something the other couldn't (or wouldn't).
@@TitaniumFlanks lol what 😂 are you okay? We’re just having a conversation about him 💀