Second-Order Ordinary Differential Equations: Solving the Harmonic Oscillator Four Ways

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  • @peter_b.1337
    @peter_b.1337 Рік тому +11

    Thanks for not cutting fire alarm!

  • @schenzur
    @schenzur Рік тому +14

    I'm loving this whole series, thanks a lot professor for putting forward a whole course!

  • @bitterthread6794
    @bitterthread6794 Рік тому +9

    Keep uploading the content Professor. I am taking Engineering courses and this has been very useful for even providing motivation how all things are fundamentally related .

  • @hoseinzahedifar1562
    @hoseinzahedifar1562 Рік тому +7

    A perfect topic by an excellent teacher... thank you.

  •  Рік тому +4

    Seems like magic. Thank you very much!

  • @ErikScott128
    @ErikScott128 Рік тому +6

    This is how I wish differential equations was taught when I was in undergrad, and methods 1 and 3 are the approach I'm taking for a video I want to make on rotorcraft flapping.
    Around time 31:42, you start trying to solve c1 and c2 in terms of the initial values x0 and v0. My response to this is, why bother? You already established that c1 and or c2 must be complex valued in order to make the final equation real. They are arbitrary constants, and i is a constant as well. So, when I demonstrate this, I just say "let a=c1+c2, let b=(c1-c2)i" and then establish a=x0 and b=v0. No need for complex analysis, and the result matches the intuitive guess (assuming you were able to guess the sine component) and the Taylor series result, while still being completely general.

  • @Pedritox0953
    @Pedritox0953 Рік тому +8

    Great video! Would be great videos of Lagrangian's dynamics

  • @salah3beed
    @salah3beed 7 місяців тому +1

    28:00 ✨ok that was just the fire alarm✨

  • @FA-tq9ip
    @FA-tq9ip Рік тому +3

    Around 17:28 I think you left the minus sign out on the board which I have put in single quotes (although you do say it): => C3 = '-'1/3! * V0 - (from an example I calculated it also seems like there should not be a minus here: => C5 = '-'1/5! * V0)

    • @FA-tq9ip
      @FA-tq9ip Рік тому +2

      Just saw that you spotted and corrected these later on in the video :)

  • @Buyson
    @Buyson Рік тому +11

    What about Laplace Transform? I think we could use it as well.

    • @BarkanUgurlu
      @BarkanUgurlu Рік тому +1

      I came to write this. :)

    • @TheRsmits
      @TheRsmits Рік тому

      The Laplace Transform is basically guessing a mixture of exponential solutions (3rd way) and converting analytic problems into algebraic problems. In this case, the guess is also that it is a discrete mixture.

  • @curtpiazza1688
    @curtpiazza1688 5 місяців тому

    I learned so much in less than 40 min.! Thanx! ❤ 😂

  • @xiangwenyan3772
    @xiangwenyan3772 Рік тому +7

    jajaja, a fire alarm short break

  • @riteshparmar4687
    @riteshparmar4687 Рік тому

    Thanque very much for this beautiful lecture.

  • @VTdarkangel
    @VTdarkangel Рік тому

    There is also the characteristic equation. That being said, I suspect that he is going to hit in that with the eigenvalue determinant or if he covers Laplace Transforms.

  • @klammer75
    @klammer75 Рік тому +2

    I was sooooo close to skinning that cat…phew!🧐😉😆

  • @arthurcoward6979
    @arthurcoward6979 Рік тому +1

    So how do you get the notes you're writing to appear correctly? That is, writing right to left when I'm pretty sure you would have to be writing backwards to achieve that since you're facing the viewer. Enjoying the talks, btw!

    • @carultch
      @carultch Рік тому +1

      He probably mirrors the video, so it appears normal. If you saw him in person, your side of his writing would appear backwards.

  • @halilibrahimEgilmez
    @halilibrahimEgilmez 7 місяців тому

    in time 30:00 if λ is complex like a±ib then the answer should be x=e^at (x_0 cos(⁡bt) + v_0 sin⁡(bt) ) and here a=0 and b=1 then x=x_0 cos⁡t+v_0 sin⁡(t)

  • @danieljulian4676
    @danieljulian4676 8 місяців тому

    Linear operator! Superposition! Great! 27:50 So, I guess we're assuming some linear algebra already. Not the first time in this series that I've seen messages from the future.
    It's not that free stuff is useless, but anyone watching these is sinking a half-hour at a time into following the presentation. It seems more that these videos are intended as refresher, or as quick review of formal lecture material given in a physical classroom by Steve himself. Anyone else is going to have to forego any pretense of rigor or fill in a lot of blanks with a lot of legwork. This series is not a substitute for a complete course.

  • @seannibecker5500
    @seannibecker5500 5 місяців тому

    Are you actually writing left to right from your perspective?

  • @coraltown1
    @coraltown1 Рік тому +1

    A mathematical magic carpet ride !

  • @timgorringe6668
    @timgorringe6668 Рік тому

    great lecture! is x_o cos(t) - v_o sin(t) soln dimensionally incorrect? (taylor series soln)

  • @aris.mavridis
    @aris.mavridis Рік тому +1

    I'm having a bit of trouble using the second method for any k/m instead of just 1.
    Would the Xo and Vo terms be multiplied by k/m as well?
    I tried to find such solutions online but had no luck.

    • @carultch
      @carultch Рік тому +1

      In the general solution:
      x = x0*cos(w*t) + "v0*sin(w*t)"
      v0 isn't really the coefficient on the sine term, unless w=1 (which would be the case if k/m were 1, since w=sqrt(k/m)). I put this term in quotes, because it really needs to be something else. We want dx/dt to equal v at t=0.
      Let A and B be defined such that the general solution is:
      x = A*cos(w*t) + B*sin(w*t)
      Take the derivative:
      dx/dt = -A*w*sin(w*t) + B*w*cos(w*t)
      Evaluate at t = 0:
      x(0) = A
      dx/dt at t=0 = B*w
      So as you can see, v0 = B*w. Thus, when we solve for the coefficient B, this really is equal to v0/w. Thus, the general solution is:
      x = x0*cos(w*t) + v0/w * sin(w*t)

    • @aris.mavridis
      @aris.mavridis 7 місяців тому +1

      Hello @@carultch, thank you for the reply.
      I was asking about the second method followed in the video, that is, the Taylor series solution.

    • @hsenagrahdeers
      @hsenagrahdeers 2 місяці тому

      Hi, did you find what you were looking for somewhere/figured it out somehow? I'm attempting the same rn.

  • @muthukamalan.m6316
    @muthukamalan.m6316 Рік тому

    how do we visualize second order DE equations like we understand by seeing slope field in 1st order DE ?

  • @bendavis2234
    @bendavis2234 Рік тому +1

    I jumped at the fire alarm at ~27:30

    • @hilalvenus
      @hilalvenus 6 місяців тому

      I was looking for this comment!

  • @fryingpanm6977
    @fryingpanm6977 Рік тому

    thank you so much sir

  • @benarcher372
    @benarcher372 Рік тому

    Strange. In Method II the answer is x(t) = cos(t)x_zero + sin(t)v_zero. But here we are adding a length to a velocity!? The answer x(t) is a length. Perhaps the second term should have been multiplied by 't'? Am I missing something here?

    • @Oberbremser
      @Oberbremser Рік тому +1

      the simplification not to write (k/m) which has dimension 1/second^2 causes the "problem" with units. I had same thought as you to add length and velocity which is not possible due to different units. But considered the (k/m) factor and the units are then correct as in corresponding terms of the taylor serie (1/second^2) (1/second^4) ... appears forcing each term to have dimension of length. i.g: - 1/(3!)*v0*t^3*(1/second^2) (1/second^2) stems from k/m and so on.

    • @benarcher372
      @benarcher372 Рік тому

      @@Oberbremser Thanks for your comment. I need to think about this. Old brain..

  • @mintakan003
    @mintakan003 Рік тому

    The Taylor series is too tedious for most humans. But if it's general, isn't it something that can be handled by computers? Computer solvers? (And I mean "symbolic" solvers, not "data fitting".) Or is the "suspend variables" method actually used?

  • @joseluizpereiradacunha7244
    @joseluizpereiradacunha7244 9 місяців тому

    MUITO OBRIGADO

  • @yoyoyowazupperson
    @yoyoyowazupperson 7 місяців тому

    hello. Can someone please explain how x0 got divided it by 2 at 32:35? this makes no sense to me… method III after the fire alarm in particular is very confusing to me

  • @lioneloddo
    @lioneloddo Рік тому +1

    And there are also 2 other ways to establish the differential equation of the oscillator.
    1. From the conservation of the energy : d/dt(1/2.m.V**2 + 1/2.K.X**2) = 0 then mV*d/dt(V)+KX*d/dt(X)=0 and then ...
    2. From the momentum : d/dt(mV)=kX then ...
    Many ways to establish the equation, many ways to solve the equation.
    Why are there so many ways to deal with the oscillator ?
    Why are there so many points of view to deal with the oscillator ?
    I really don't know what it means ...

    • @peterkim5394
      @peterkim5394 Рік тому +1

      Why? I think Jesse Pinkman summed it up best, "Yeah, science bitch!"

    • @navsquid32
      @navsquid32 Рік тому +1

      Don’t forget the Lagrangian formulation.

    • @lioneloddo
      @lioneloddo Рік тому

      @@navsquid32 L=1/2.m.V**2 - 1/2.k.X**2
      dL/dV= mV
      dL/dX=-kX
      So from eq of Lagrage : d/dt(dL/dV) = dL/dX and ... You're right !

  • @waynelast1685
    @waynelast1685 10 місяців тому

    Please tell me how you use this display board technology?

    • @dibyasreekantbisoyi469
      @dibyasreekantbisoyi469 Місяць тому

      they write normally on a transparent board, and then flip the video, so we are to read it

  • @user-bn9kz6hs4l
    @user-bn9kz6hs4l 11 місяців тому

    bro the fire alarm XD

  • @Roxas99Yami
    @Roxas99Yami Рік тому +1

    the harmonic approxillator hehe

  • @luismeron9815
    @luismeron9815 Рік тому +1

    anyone got the the homework?

  • @tiagovla
    @tiagovla 10 місяців тому

    I thought I had a dead pixel on my monitor, lol.