I believe this is the first Disney/Pixar that focuses on adolescence, puberty, and even periods. Periods are still stigmatized, and it's sad. I liked Turning Red because I have never seen any kids' content where they normalize menstruation, let alone talk about it. I was so glad to see Pixar pop that stigma bubble. When Mei's mom thought Mei was getting her period, she told Mei that it was expected, was nothing to be embarrassed about, and tried to give her everything she needed to get through it. It's still something that no one talks about, but we should because it's part of our everyday lives and crucial to our health as women. In my opinion, this movie was a great way to show the emotional rollercoasters teens go through. Apparently, Turning Red is also the first Pixar film solo-directed by a woman. And there was an all-female creative team. Finally!!!
This always bugged me. Keep in mind, I'm a 24 year old dude. Its an indisputable fact that humans WILL EXPERIENCE PUBERTY. So why not teach children how to handle this stage in life when the time comes? Why set them up for a potentially traumatic experience by not talking about it and viewing it as a taboo when they themselves have experienced it, too? This bugged me a lot as my classmates when I was 13-16 were predominantly girls. Many were completely clueless when they got their period as their parents never taught them. Freaking out as they went to school not knowing what to do. Thankfully my teachers were also predominantly women so they were a great help.
Though this isn't really about periods, since they're shown as two different things in the show. This is more learning how to overcome anxiety and learning to use your voice.
The lead singer was crying because he was singing from his heart (that's essential for the activation of the circle). I guess he(Robaire) was like some of those singers who get emotional and cry during concerts. Another reason might be from the fact that the kids who stayed back even after knowing that the giant panda had destroyed everything were still hooting, cheering and singing along when the band started singing. That must've made him emotional.
I think you're right. The shaman was shouting instructions to "Sing from the heart," so I assume Robaire was putting everything he had into the song for that reason. But I definitely think that he would've been moved seeing his fans lingering even after the disaster because they were worried for the band or didn't want to give up on the concert!
This movie is based on the director's real life experiences growing up in a chinese canadian family. She wrote the screenplay with another writer. So although there was things that might have not seem stereotypical asian, it was her story she wanted to tell.
It’s seems like that relationship you were looking for was with the mom Ming and the grandmother. I think Ming was trying to avoid the relationship she had with her own mom but ended up kind of repeating it with Mei.
They hide Tiger Parenting in the movie because Tiger Parents are stubborn, ferocious, and They always thought they were right since they had more experience than their kids and saw more things even before their kids born.. So if Pixar try to Blame Tiger Parenting so obvious on the nose, All Tiger Parents would just be ignorant and think Pixar just exaggerating the impact of Tiger Parenting to the kids while in real life they practically do the same thing.. When Mei Mei start to tell the truth about herself, her mom Ming simply didn't accept it at all.. To the point where Mei Mei needs to physically headbutt her mom to make her unconscious.. That's how you win an argument against Tiger Parents, either they would shout you with their mighty roar and slapped you with their paws, or you can make them silence by knock their heads to make them unconscious..
Yes, it seems like Jaby is asking to see the movie between mother and grandmother… the trauma from a high expectation tiger mom. So, it is in the movie; it’s just not the central storyline.
Completely agree. Which is one reason why I thought the 'totally unrelatable' complaints pretty small minded, among other things. But I think those people would have complained about the movie regardless.
I think the director wanted to keep it general to make it universal - whether puberty or coming out of the closet or moving out of the parents’ expectations, but Jaby wanted to go deep and hard on just one trauma to be really attached to the movie emotionally. It’s just a different approach or expectation.
@GETJaby, 37:33 I thought Mei Mei's mom Ming was trying to be the cool mom--she went out of her way to connect with her daughter in a way her own mother couldn't connect to her. She tried so hard not to be like her mother, but in the end something became something much worse, and that only happened when Mei Mei showed her mother her true self. Regarding the friends in the house with their shoes on, there are people who assimilate to the customs and ways of their new homes. We can see Chinese elements in their home, sure, but I see more western things than Chinese ones. In any case, I think Mei Mei's family was doing their best to blind in. That said, I don't recall the movie making it a point that Mei Mei's family took their shoes off before entering their home. They certainly didn't do it when they went to the Lesser Panda shrine. I don't see people do it much outside of Asia (I guess because it's an inconvenience), but you don't wear your shoes inside a place of worship. People in Japan wear sandals, but I noticed that Indians visiting places of worship in Japan go barefoot. It seems customs vary throughout Buddhism. Anyway, my point is, if you wear your shoes in a shrine, you probably wear your shoes in your own home too. I'm going to have to go back and watch the scene you're referring to because I only recall the scene in which Mei Mei yoinked her friends into her bedroom, shoes and all. Sandra Oh said in an interview that this story was a metaphor for girls getting their period, which is likely why they often showed pads and had Mei Mei's father backing away and letting his wife take the lead on this issue. Anyway, I enjoyed this movie quite a bit. It was a lot of fun. I think it's interesting that tiger/helicopter Asian moms seem to be a thing outside of Asia, at least in my experience. I live in Japan, and moms here are, well, moms. My Japanese wife is nothing like the Asian moms we see in this film. Living abroad likely transforms a person in ways they don't expect. I find myself being the strict parent in the house, expecting our children to work harder at what they do, though I do try to balance that with equal praise as well.
I feel like this film was hard for Jaby to relate to due to him and I both being males, and it kinda feels like maybe he mighta dug into it a little too deep, like the whole bit about "magic". But I feel like that's what makes this such a good film, the fact that I can't relate, but I get to see and understand how others could. Like you can see from Achara's facial expressions throughout the film, that much of it could resonate with her, and that's what's so fun about reaction videos. Seeing what people's faces reveal about themselves while watching things you may enjoy. That's what that one reviewer missed. Is that he's trying so hard to see how it can apply to his life, that he doesn't consider how much it can apply to others's lives. A lack of empathy.
It can’t be just because he is a man. He seemed to be stuck on some issues- whether the magical element or realism of why the government or military is not around or how this movie compares with other Pixar movies. The movie is just about puberty or growing up and out of the parents’ expectations?
@@brianng8350 For real, like it irks me when reactors come into a film with preconceived expectations just because of previous films they liked from the same company or director. If you just let the movie be its own thing you might find yourself enjoying it much more for what it is. This is what allowed me to be touched and even tear up in moments of The Good Dinosaur upon a recent reviewing despite many people complaining how terrible it was, when reality it's just because the movie didn't go in the direction they expected or wanted.
Hi, random independent animation film director, here, to chime in a bit. First off, your reaction was adorable ! Achara tearing up at the reunion in the bamboo forest was the same reaction I had. That, to me, is the true climax of the movie, instead of the skydome "battle". She also totally got the metaphor of the Red Panda, it's not just puberty, it's basically a metaphor of your own voice, all your repressed emotions that you keep pushing down to "look good in front of society" (especially in patriarchal Chinese society), which is what all the aunties and granma (and especially the mother, who at once might have had the most emotions she wanted to express in her) decided to do, but Meiling, being the most modern one, having grown up her entire life in Canada and being the most westernized of them all, shamelessly embraces it at the end. As for some little tidbits from someone who's working in the animation industry : - I actually feel like it's refreshing to have movies that are more like in the slice of life genre, with a little touch of fantastic, but not too much. It's a welcome change of pace from "because it's an animation, they've got to save the country/world/universe/multiverse, or go explore a fantasy magical land in a remote era in a galaxy far far away". No, just ground it in a very recognizable true location (here Toronto, which, btw, is consistently popping up as THE number 1 most cosmopolitan city in the world every year in international social polls, and it is shown pretty extensively all throughout the movie in the school's students, and especially Mei's besties, which are all from a different backgrounds), and let the whole plot actually happen there. Sometimes, a touch of fantastic element is enough, it is its interaction with the mundane daily life that makes up the spice of the story. There is value in these type of stories too. And sure, there is no police, no governement, no stakes in keeping the Panda form secret, (pretty much everybody at school knows)... like everybody can be a hero in My Hero Academia ! Who knows, this is the Pixar-verse anyway, weirder things have happened already (walking and talking toys, or fishes, or bugs, or cooking rats, or cars, or Superheroes... I'm pretty sure that in this world, people seeing a giant talking twerking red panda would be like, "Oh ? Tuesdays...") - I believe it was very much intentional of the director Domee Shi to basically nostalgically recreate a fantastic version of her own teenage years. She grew up in Toronto, and this movie felt like a love letter to the city, and it's great ! I'm personally kind of tired to see New York, San Francisco, London, Gotham, or Tokyo, or even HK or Shanghai or Paris in movies. What about other less covered cities, like Brussels, Taipei, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Mumbai, Praha, Vienna, Mumbasa, Bogota ?), so this movie (Red Pandas excepted) is basically an autobiography of her in 2002. It makes it feels all the more personal and almost like an author film, which, in the big Disney/Pixar cogwheels machinery, does not happen that often. This movie couldn't be dissociated from Domee, it really is her own movie rather than just a "generic" Pixar movie, and that's something I love about it. - Also, as a pro, I don't think the fact that the pandemic got in the way has impeded into the storytelling itself. That script was written way before 2019, and in animation, the production process is not like in live action, where you can re-write and reshoot on the spot to adapt to the circumstance, in animation, once the script and storyboard are lockdowned, it's set in stone, and there is nothing that can be changed anymore, since we have to create every single frame you see on screen from scratch, and any single modification or retake costs an insane amount of time, effort and money. Storyboard might be an afterthought for live action filmmaking, but in animation, we basically do the final editing of the movie down to the single frame during the animatic phase. So I really don't think there is a director's cut somewhere in Pixar's hard drives where there is a version of the script where she goes into Ta Lo and cuddles up with the big gates lions of the village, while training her taichi with Michelle Yeoh. It really wasn't the tonal purpose of the movie, here. But who knows, maybe for a chapter 2, if the movie is successful (and I've heard it did big viewing hours on Disney+, so really hoping that if they do make a second one, they'll finally release it on theaters ! I frankly hated the fact I couldn't watch this movie in IMAX 3D ! As an animation filmmaker, this is the one true way to watch a movie, especially a Pixar one ! They are the only studio that have unequivocally mastered the potential of 3D movies !). - As for your remark on how Bao destroyed you and this feature film didn't have the same emotional punch : Well, shorts filmmaking as an art is very underestimated in terms of storytelling power. Here you don't have the luxury of 1h30, you only have a few couple minutes to tell your story, so you better make it REALLY intense ! No space for fluff or any fat, or even dialogues (most of the most powerful shorts are silent movies), it's extremely trimmed down to leave only the good stuff ! It is a very different form of storytelling than feature films, which is why a lot of features from the same directors than shorts feel like diluted or with unnecessary fluff in them, compared to short ones. You only have to watch one of the most renowned shorts animations directors of all times, Michael Dudok Dewit, and his multi-awards winning Father and daughter, get emotionally wrecked, watch the rest of his shorts filmography, get wrecked again, and then when he got invited by Studio Ghibli (of all studios, coz Miyazaki and Takahata were both great fans of his shorts, suffice to say that this is the only non-japanese director that got a chance to direct a Ghibli-produced movie) to direct a feature film, it did result in The Red Turtle, which, while it is one of the most beautiful animated movies of all times, it also did felt like it had some obvious padding in it in order to fill the 70-80 minutes mark to qualify as a feature film. - I'm myself coming form the short films world, trying to break out in the TV series or feature world now, so I'm quite well aware of the differences : There is so much more to write than in a short ! It feels like it's taking forever ! And not all the things you write in there are necessarily all great ideas, but you have to move forward for the sake of padding this runtime. - All in all, this movie is probably not the best Pixar ever, but goddamn, is it a welcomed one ! It dared take risks, which is not something you see often in a Pixar film (just the visual style itself is a mix between 90's Anime like Sailor Moon, Ranma 1/2 and some 2000's kids shows pastel color palette, with a little bit of Miyazaki - The Panda looks reminiscent of Totoro -, and even a little bit of Wallace and Gromit - the teeth and smiles - all of it blended together in a Pixar lighting and fur style). It also does wonder for the representation of not only Asian people (after Shang Chi from Marvel, Asians now got Turning Red from Pixar, only 2 of the BIG 3 studios in the world, with Lucasfilm)... AND it's also a movie that has been done by a full team of women director, producers, writers, leads and cast, etc... and, surprise muddafukkaz, not only it didn't stink, but it was actually a beautiful, great fun and emotional ride ! So basically, diversity done right ! So I'm all in for more of these, please ! Pixar, your future is in good hands ! (if Disney doesn't tank them first, of course, with this movie being the 3rd one they release on Disney+ only, while they have no problem putting their own Raya and Encanto in theaters, which reeks of fishy corporate monkey business). But strictly creatively speaking, I'm super interested to see where Pixar will head to in the coming future years.
@@junebugforever you're welcome. I appreciate that you appreciate ^^. As an animation filmmaker who hasn't got his breakthrough yet, but did spend quite a considerable time in the industry, I obviously had a lot of time to give it some thoughts, and this movie has juggled with them a good deal. Which is why I wanted to talk about it. Glad you enjoyed it.
Appreciate the feedback and the counterpoints. Even though I agree/appreciate with some of Jaby’s points, he did sound like a tiger mom whose kid did not meet all of his expectations… hahah…. Granted, I agree this is not one of the best Pixar movies, but I had fun and was able to connect with the movie the director set out to do.
@@brianng8350 Jaby does feel like an Asian dad, from time to time ^^ I guess after the Shang Chi shock, he felt more used to see the big Hollywood studio portraying an Asian family movie trope (after Marvel, here comes Pixar), therefore taking it more for granted, which kinda activated his Asian dad syndrom and he felt more inclined to EMOTIONAL DAMAGE the shit out of it ^^. Although I have no doubt that not so deep within, he still enjoyed the movie very much. Glad you connected to the movie as well. Let's see just how universal this movie gets (contrary to that critic that felt this movie was done specifically just for Domee and her friends -_-)
Now this is a Kaiju sized response. ;D the thing about it going direct to Disney+ can be beneficial in this case because you can stop to have "that talk" or connect with a parent, or have no reservation about holding back in your reactions to the movie. personally, i like that i could buy the 4k ultra collectors edition from the store much sooner than normal. but i also would have really like to have gotten to see it in the Theater. or gotten photos with the big advertisement cardboard display stands that usually accompany an animated movie. (checks internet. O.O you can buy the cardboard stand even though it didnt go to theaters.) any way, pluses and Minuses. just hope this movie gets the recognition it deserves.
The 'gyrating' is kind of common in Anime, Crayon Shin-chan anyone? I could see why it was 'shocking' to people who watch mostly Western animation, but a lot of funny anime involves lots of butt-shaking...haha.
Jaby asking why they wouldn't give her a heads up and Achara just matter of factly saying sometimes they don't do that tho and he's still just stuck on the panda part, like bruh! That's the point! You'd think it'd get talked about, but sometimes it just doesn't! 😂😂
Also.. just my pov 'the point of no return' was her, finally deciding for herself to keep the panda. To decide to go on the adventure, despite it being not what her mom wants for her. The movie was about, not the adventure itself, but her decision to listen to herself and embrace the adventure, instead of just doing what's expected of her, even if that means defying and disappointing the one person she's spent her whole life trying to prove herself to.
@@tiffanykim2773 definitely, if Ming first got her panda when she introduced her own mother to her husband, she would likely be quite a bit older. Late teens at least, you don't introduce a future husband at age 13.
On the issue of Bao hitting harder than Turning Red - it's easier for Bao, since feature length and content have a lot more to do with how diluted you might have felt the emotional punch was. Turning Red had to be light enough not to alienate people who might not connect well to a spunky, awkward, modern, coming of age movie, not offend most adults sensibilities and still tell an authentic story of relationships (literally inspired by Domee Shi's and her DP's own childhoods and growing up, including influences of Inuyasha, Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura - fun note, Domee actually spent two years working at their family's temple back in China). I feel like instead of a movie told from a specific, more emo place, turning Red was like a love letter to growing up in the 2000's. All Bao had to do was to entertain and pull at the heartstrings of everyone watching in 4 minutes.
Americans knowledge of Canadians is so abysmal LOL this was a great reaction though. Just finished watching the movie myself. Growing up in Toronto I loved all of the little Easter eggs and toronto-ness of it. It's so rare we get to see our city on the big screen. Correction. Our city is on the big screen constantly. Just not as Toronto LOL
Regarding the pizza thing in Soul: I think it's because it was New York and that's what you grab off the street corners. ALSO Joe wasn't currently in his body at that time...
I think the reason why Ming doesn’t feel like the typical scary Tiger Mom-ish is because Meilin has always done what is expected of her; chores in temples and at home, excelling in her studies and extracurricular activities, very obedient and never talked back, and she done everything she was told with good attitude. Even when Ming becomes more overbearing, Meilin never really stood up against her. If Ming had been very mean and with that stereotypical Asian mum behavior when Mei Mei had been such a good girl, then she would seem very unreasonable, hateful and abusive. It’s only when Mei Mei finally rebelled against her mum (kept her panda spirit and gone to the concert) did Ming become very scary. “How could she do this to her own mother?”
I know, right! Meilin has been a dutiful daughter and has been pushing herself to achieve whatever has been thrown at her just because her mother's approval matters the most to her. Had this continued, Meilin would've had a major identity crisis once she grows up and would've ended up a 'people pleaser' all her life.
Mom was scary, but MeiMei decided to beat herself rather than see her mom as the enemy. And for the scary mom, just look to the mother and grandmother relationship. I think the director wanted variations to be represented.
Agreed. Also, because Meilin has always done what she’s told, Ming tends to blame others when something goes wrong, like they’re the bad influence, taking advantage of her daughter. This is also setting a unseasonably high standard for Meilin, like she can’t even make a single mistake, which is why she chose to lie. Ming may not be strict and stern, but her parenting style is in no way healthy.
Jaby can seem like such a buzzkill sometimes. I mean y'all watching a family movie about people becoming big red panda's and he's unironically wondering why the military hasn't shown up yet lmfao
@@algorithmicalychallenged.291 There's using your brain and then there's being obtuse. Stuff like that is just suspension of disbelief and basically every single movie on earth, to an extent, requires it. There will be SOME things that don't happen exactly as they would in real life and to get stuck on those instead of focusing on what makes a story better and more meaningful is, for lack of a better term, Cinemasins-y. Like, people can ask why the military never got involved but it's not like Turning Red not having the military in it makes it a worse movie.
Tbf I was also wondering why not more people were concerned about the huge red panda walking around. I mean they showed it on the news and then act like authorities didn't gaf about it.
@GETJaby the reason why this movie feels different from other PIXAR films is because it's from a new director who wanted to highlight her Asian Canadian roots. It's not following the usual Pixar formula to the T.
It’s a slice of life anime inspired Pixar film lol. And it’s based on a real experience about a teenage girl going through puberty and dealing with overbearing familial expectations. The fantastical elements were never the point. And even though the story beats were fairly relatable, it’s still implicitly a coming of age story about a teenage Chinese-Canadian girl. So there are going to be some elements that are specific to that experience & POV. Personally, as a black dude from Philly it didn’t hinder my enjoyment of the movie at all. Though I will admit, I’d rather they explored more of those specific Asian cultural elements instead of seemingly trying to relate to everyone. But I can accept that this just wasn’t THAT story.
did anyone notice the stickers on the flute case at the beginning of the movie are different, in the video it has "pi heart", in the one I have on Disney plus has "this girl loves math"
On my disney+, the part where they introduced mei friends, they didn’t show the text like “Priya” “Abbey” but when i saw on the internet there’s that text showing the name of the friends
for the internet, those are like Easter Eggs. for the practical stance, those minor changes are usually for different markets. Zootopia changed the news anchor animal to be more relevant to a given geographic.
It's his opinion and I'm sad this reactor never got more out of the movie but, he could get the magical quality from this?? We did both watch the same movie, didn't we?? The magic emanated from every frame! The ending is sheer genius and so damn poignant.
I think he is trying to repress those years/memories… it sounded like he had some issues - which is pretty common - whether acne, growth spurt, late blooming, bullying or something else. He has his Catholic school and repression… hahaha…
@@amy_yoshikawa other than Encanto which was from Disney, this is the only Pixar that intensely talked about puberty, family relationship, and generational trauma
I do wonder how Jaby feels about it as just a movie. I do understand Pixar is an incredible brand with unprecedented hit record, and that is a high standard to live up to.
I saw a breakdown of this from a Canadian youtuber, and it was interesting to hear about the references in the movie that were of Canadian culture, especially from that time. It was a millenial creator. Pretty interesting, but not a lot of specific things that he thought, as they were pushing it to be Canadian heavily, but the youtuber pointed out that there weren't that much references 😂🤷♂️🤔
that scary version of her was the panda side of her. the panda was contained into the necklace. suppressed emotions. locking them away because its inconvenient to let that out in a un censored way. The surface level metaphor was the females getting their Period. The Puberty level of your emotions becoming stronger. the sort of dancing she did at the end was more showing her mom what she liked. a flood gate being open of all the suppressed hidden side.
Much like when people watch "Big" and make comments on adult josh (hanks) not seeming authentic in his thought/actions for a 9 year old... When the character is introduced as turning 13 (turns that age over course of the story), and already has a teens interest in girls. Over and over again commenting on how a 9 year old wouldn't do this or that in such a situation. No duh, dumbass, the character is a horny teen. An innocent/respectful one, sue, but still a horny teen ready and hoping for a girlfriend. Maybe pay better attention to the set up, before judging the later execution of that set up.
They tone down Ming character because Ming is a Tiger Mother, just like the Grandma.. She would transform into Tiger whenever you try to argue or question her decision.. Tiger mothers are Stubborn, Ferocious, and they always thought they were right because they had more experience and saw more things even before their kids born.. So if Pixar blatantly Blame Tiger Parenting by showing us Ming Shouting Mei Mei, and abuse Mei Mei at home.. All Tiger Parents would just be ignorant and thought Pixar just Exaggerating the effect of tiger parenting to the kids while in real life they practically doing the same thing.. remember, they are stubborn, and they are getting used to be the "always right" human being That's why when Mei Mei finally tell the truth of herself, Ming simply won't accept it.. To the point where Mei Mei needs to Physically Headbutt her mother to make her tiger mother unconscious.. That's exactly the only way you win an argument with Tiger Mother..
I think the director did not want the mom to be a “real villain”. Since it is based on her real life experiences, she wants to represent them with some hindsight and give credit to the mother that she just wanted the best for her daughter whether the approach is right or wrong.
I have said it many times and ill say it again, my thoughts and understanding is ditto same to same to Achara. We cry at the same scenes, we understand the metaphor in same manner, ethics that we want in films everything literally everything
Canadians of all ethnicities take their shoes off in the house. Tbh there were a few things about this movie that the fact that it was mostly made by U.S. Americans bled through, the shoes thing being one of them. Most of the things were pronunciation inaccuracies because they cast u.s. voice actors.
Can’t speak for all Canadian, but in my social circles, the proper etiquette is to start taking off your shoes, then the host says “no no no, it’s ok, keep them” and then you still take them off.
Uhhh, my immigrant Asian parents and us Toronto born children wore our shoes into our house unless of course it was winter. I'm pretty sure, I wore my shoes into many houses as well unless we were told not to at the doorway. I live in Japan now and wearing shoes inside is definitely a no-no. I really felt this movie represented my memories of Toronto even though it was set 20 years after my time.
@@U2Bcarlo I've been in many Canadian households over the years (especially because of my caregiver job) and there are sometimes homes that I come across that are "shoes on homes", but they are rare and counter-culture. You lived in a counter-cultural home. Which is not a bad thing, it's just the minority. Why your home was this way? You'd have to ask your parents. But to say you wore your shoes in other's homes, might have been you unknowingly being rude (though, I don't know your life and whose homes you were in, again, this would be a conversation to have with those in your life at that time.). Unless, this is specifically a Toronto thing that I'm simply not aware of. But I would find it odd that one single city in Canada would have such a drastic counter-canadian norm. But I guess there's always a possibility.
Well I can't speak for the cultural makeup of the whole production staff, but the director herself is chinese-canadian, and from what I understand, a LOT of the story here is informed by her own experiences growing up.
That’s almost accurate but not quite accurate half of the voice actors were Canadian, Sandra Oh and the actresses who who played Abby and Priya were from my understanding Canadian
That critic got railed, as you put it (read his "review" and you'll find out why) is because he was a total prick! There was no real analysis from him about the movie except that he apparently couldn't relate to it because it was "too niche" and "too Asian", and that it would only relate to director Domee Shi's friends. He could apparently relate to toys that come to life, cars with eyeballs, talking fish, robots with emotions, and monsters that scare kids, but apparently not a human girl of Chinese ancestry going through puberty and discovering herself. That was "exhausting" apparently. The dog whistles in his review were practically foghorns and he was rightly castigated for it!
The "told.... " part of it may be intentional, sometimes you think your relationship with your perants is different from what it is. You tell your self your mother is your bestfriend because she keeps saying it but you're afraid to tell her stuff, afraid to be hurt by them but still Say your connection is different from what it is.
Great point Jaby about feeling something is missing; the magical element in the movie. Thanks for being respectful when sharing your perspective. It helps me to think about my own reaction to this movie. Overall I enjoyed the movie, laughed myself silly, and I know it’s not for everyone. 👍great reaction Jaby and Achara.
But I feel like the mystical element is overused, especially when diving into other cultures- mystical element of Coco or Black Panther or Shang Chi? That seems to be the only way to accept other cultures to the masses. Or maybe this has double meaning - the mystery of other cultures we are not familiar with? Let’s make them mystical!
It was a fun animated movie but I don't understand why you'd nitpick details like drawing perfect circles or the US govt getting involved when the mom turned kaiju panda. Its just a fantasy cartoon movie made for kids, not a nat geo documentary... Sheesh!
32:56 yeah, Luca is set in the '50s, it's not a modern take on Italy (like most of the Italian representation we get from American production companies 😅 Heaven forbid we Italian have smartphones and high-speed trains like the rest of the World 🤣)
I seriously think that's kind of continuation of Inside Out. Look, Inside Out ended when Rally was 12 years old and an extended control panel with a RED 'puberty' light is installed. In Turning Red, Mei is 13 and this light actually TURNS RED. Of course, there are also externalized emotions. People wondered how Inside out would have looked with those themes and now it turns out that is controvercial, but NO it's natural. What can Pixar discuss topics about trauma, death, killing, guns, betreyals, fraud, and not about puberty? Kids should know earier than it happens. I have to admit that trailers of turning red seemed to me not encouraging, but I watched movie and I love it. Pixar instead of focusing on deep metaphysical themes, this time it focused on a down-to-earth, inevitable topic. The time of the action is also not accidental, 2002 was the year in which the current 33-year-olds were 13 years old and matured in those realities, and now they probably have their own 13-year-old children. This was to remind you of the times when they were teenagers and surely these awkward things happened to them and to understand the individuality of their child. In 2002 I was 2 years old so I cannot fully identify with those realities xD, but I am in between these 2 decades and I have not "forgotten" yet what it is like to be at this age and this film is so accurate. I also love cultural references and generation trauma
I think people were saying OMG and LOL back in 2002, bc texting was becoming popular on those nokia phones, n it was good for saving space in the texts, and even online messengers like AIM were popular and people used that stuff.
I think what I liked about this film, was the character of Mei mei. The dilemma she faces in the movie is what I face in reality. Sometimes accepting who you are is difficult cause it might be against your family so you want them to be with you and to accept you the way you are. I think what's most important for a family is to not necessarily agree on everything but to not restrict and stop your kids from being who they are really.
your "black" friends need to realize: blackness isnt a monolith. soul food s a southern thing. plenty of none southern blacks dont know or like soul food. also you like what you like. my favorite foods are chinese and burgers. if they made a movie about my life where the character is listening to shinhwa instead of ll cool j, eating chinese food instead of chitterlings, is buddhist instead of christian, does it stop being a black film when its based on a TRUE LIVING black person??????????????????????
Did anyone else notice that the sticker on her flute case changed? The version I watched had a sticker that said "This girl loves math" but this version has a pi symbol and a heart. I'm very confused by this
Okay so at the start of the movie,i really thought that the movie is going to talk a girl getting in to periods..and revolves around how she feels and the big red teddy bear is just to portray to us like..she is getting the pain or something like that...but woahhh hahaa it was a whole different story and i felt dumb.
This movie is more relatable to we asaian bcoz this is how our parents are always ordering , cant do a thing without there concern otherwise they'll do emotional blackmail etc ..... And this was till i was 24 and now i have job outside my city and finally having freedom for the 1st time, and i like it , but they still do damage to my soul by call ,
I believe this is the first Disney/Pixar that focuses on adolescence, puberty, and even periods. Periods are still stigmatized, and it's sad. I liked Turning Red because I have never seen any kids' content where they normalize menstruation, let alone talk about it. I was so glad to see Pixar pop that stigma bubble. When Mei's mom thought Mei was getting her period, she told Mei that it was expected, was nothing to be embarrassed about, and tried to give her everything she needed to get through it. It's still something that no one talks about, but we should because it's part of our everyday lives and crucial to our health as women.
In my opinion, this movie was a great way to show the emotional rollercoasters teens go through.
Apparently, Turning Red is also the first Pixar film solo-directed by a woman. And there was an all-female creative team. Finally!!!
THAT'S why it's so good! All the elements fit! So honest.
Islam was right.
4:56-5:10 me too.
This always bugged me.
Keep in mind, I'm a 24 year old dude.
Its an indisputable fact that humans WILL EXPERIENCE PUBERTY.
So why not teach children how to handle this stage in life when the time comes?
Why set them up for a potentially traumatic experience by not talking about it and viewing it as a taboo when they themselves have experienced it, too?
This bugged me a lot as my classmates when I was 13-16 were predominantly girls. Many were completely clueless when they got their period as their parents never taught them. Freaking out as they went to school not knowing what to do.
Thankfully my teachers were also predominantly women so they were a great help.
Though this isn't really about periods, since they're shown as two different things in the show. This is more learning how to overcome anxiety and learning to use your voice.
The lead singer was crying because he was singing from his heart (that's essential for the activation of the circle). I guess he(Robaire) was like some of those singers who get emotional and cry during concerts. Another reason might be from the fact that the kids who stayed back even after knowing that the giant panda had destroyed everything were still hooting, cheering and singing along when the band started singing. That must've made him emotional.
I think you're right. The shaman was shouting instructions to "Sing from the heart," so I assume Robaire was putting everything he had into the song for that reason. But I definitely think that he would've been moved seeing his fans lingering even after the disaster because they were worried for the band or didn't want to give up on the concert!
This movie is based on the director's real life experiences growing up in a chinese canadian family. She wrote the screenplay with another writer. So although there was things that might have not seem stereotypical asian, it was her story she wanted to tell.
"A year supply" he says at the pads. Oh I just wish 🤣
@tconlon251 Wow, you guys have 40 packs?? I need to move my ass to North America. We only get 16 packs.
@@noneyabusiness6504 it’s expensive plus tax
Dude CLEARLY has no concept. Like he couldn't fathom what/how this was relevent to puberty for girls when its literally called RED🤦🏼♀️.
It’s seems like that relationship you were looking for was with the mom Ming and the grandmother. I think Ming was trying to avoid the relationship she had with her own mom but ended up kind of repeating it with Mei.
Good point 😊
That's usually what happens when you try not to be like your parents.
They hide Tiger Parenting in the movie because Tiger Parents are stubborn, ferocious, and They always thought they were right since they had more experience than their kids and saw more things even before their kids born.. So if Pixar try to Blame Tiger Parenting so obvious on the nose, All Tiger Parents would just be ignorant and think Pixar just exaggerating the impact of Tiger Parenting to the kids while in real life they practically do the same thing..
When Mei Mei start to tell the truth about herself, her mom Ming simply didn't accept it at all.. To the point where Mei Mei needs to physically headbutt her mom to make her unconscious..
That's how you win an argument against Tiger Parents, either they would shout you with their mighty roar and slapped you with their paws, or you can make them silence by knock their heads to make them unconscious..
@@naufalpahlevi8976 Not literally though. Concussion hurts. 😅
Yes, it seems like Jaby is asking to see the movie between mother and grandmother… the trauma from a high expectation tiger mom. So, it is in the movie; it’s just not the central storyline.
It did show that the mom was vacuuming just before the friends came over, that's why she didn't hear them singing.
The panda as whole can be one big Metaphor for identity and repression vs Acceptance of it.
It can be seen as many things that's why it works
Completely agree. Which is one reason why I thought the 'totally unrelatable' complaints pretty small minded, among other things. But I think those people would have complained about the movie regardless.
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I think the director wanted to keep it general to make it universal - whether puberty or coming out of the closet or moving out of the parents’ expectations, but Jaby wanted to go deep and hard on just one trauma to be really attached to the movie emotionally. It’s just a different approach or expectation.
@@brianng8350 Sometimes a Panda...is just a Panda.
The intro is Gold 💀💀💀
4:55 😆
I just now realized that the two panda statues outside the temple are named Bart and Lisa
That reminds me of The Simpsons
@@thelittlebuddy4053 Yea it was probably intentional haha
@GETJaby,
37:33 I thought Mei Mei's mom Ming was trying to be the cool mom--she went out of her way to connect with her daughter in a way her own mother couldn't connect to her. She tried so hard not to be like her mother, but in the end something became something much worse, and that only happened when Mei Mei showed her mother her true self.
Regarding the friends in the house with their shoes on, there are people who assimilate to the customs and ways of their new homes. We can see Chinese elements in their home, sure, but I see more western things than Chinese ones. In any case, I think Mei Mei's family was doing their best to blind in. That said, I don't recall the movie making it a point that Mei Mei's family took their shoes off before entering their home. They certainly didn't do it when they went to the Lesser Panda shrine. I don't see people do it much outside of Asia (I guess because it's an inconvenience), but you don't wear your shoes inside a place of worship. People in Japan wear sandals, but I noticed that Indians visiting places of worship in Japan go barefoot. It seems customs vary throughout Buddhism. Anyway, my point is, if you wear your shoes in a shrine, you probably wear your shoes in your own home too. I'm going to have to go back and watch the scene you're referring to because I only recall the scene in which Mei Mei yoinked her friends into her bedroom, shoes and all.
Sandra Oh said in an interview that this story was a metaphor for girls getting their period, which is likely why they often showed pads and had Mei Mei's father backing away and letting his wife take the lead on this issue.
Anyway, I enjoyed this movie quite a bit. It was a lot of fun.
I think it's interesting that tiger/helicopter Asian moms seem to be a thing outside of Asia, at least in my experience. I live in Japan, and moms here are, well, moms. My Japanese wife is nothing like the Asian moms we see in this film. Living abroad likely transforms a person in ways they don't expect. I find myself being the strict parent in the house, expecting our children to work harder at what they do, though I do try to balance that with equal praise as well.
I feel like this film was hard for Jaby to relate to due to him and I both being males, and it kinda feels like maybe he mighta dug into it a little too deep, like the whole bit about "magic". But I feel like that's what makes this such a good film, the fact that I can't relate, but I get to see and understand how others could. Like you can see from Achara's facial expressions throughout the film, that much of it could resonate with her, and that's what's so fun about reaction videos. Seeing what people's faces reveal about themselves while watching things you may enjoy.
That's what that one reviewer missed. Is that he's trying so hard to see how it can apply to his life, that he doesn't consider how much it can apply to others's lives.
A lack of empathy.
It can’t be just because he is a man. He seemed to be stuck on some issues- whether the magical element or realism of why the government or military is not around or how this movie compares with other Pixar movies. The movie is just about puberty or growing up and out of the parents’ expectations?
@@brianng8350 I dunno why anyone is applying that much realism to any Disney film.
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He's kind of being a prude tho
@@brianng8350 For real, like it irks me when reactors come into a film with preconceived expectations just because of previous films they liked from the same company or director. If you just let the movie be its own thing you might find yourself enjoying it much more for what it is. This is what allowed me to be touched and even tear up in moments of The Good Dinosaur upon a recent reviewing despite many people complaining how terrible it was, when reality it's just because the movie didn't go in the direction they expected or wanted.
Hi, random independent animation film director, here, to chime in a bit.
First off, your reaction was adorable ! Achara tearing up at the reunion in the bamboo forest was the same reaction I had. That, to me, is the true climax of the movie, instead of the skydome "battle".
She also totally got the metaphor of the Red Panda, it's not just puberty, it's basically a metaphor of your own voice, all your repressed emotions that you keep pushing down to "look good in front of society" (especially in patriarchal Chinese society), which is what all the aunties and granma (and especially the mother, who at once might have had the most emotions she wanted to express in her) decided to do, but Meiling, being the most modern one, having grown up her entire life in Canada and being the most westernized of them all, shamelessly embraces it at the end.
As for some little tidbits from someone who's working in the animation industry :
- I actually feel like it's refreshing to have movies that are more like in the slice of life genre, with a little touch of fantastic, but not too much. It's a welcome change of pace from "because it's an animation, they've got to save the country/world/universe/multiverse, or go explore a fantasy magical land in a remote era in a galaxy far far away".
No, just ground it in a very recognizable true location (here Toronto, which, btw, is consistently popping up as THE number 1 most cosmopolitan city in the world every year in international social polls, and it is shown pretty extensively all throughout the movie in the school's students, and especially Mei's besties, which are all from a different backgrounds), and let the whole plot actually happen there. Sometimes, a touch of fantastic element is enough, it is its interaction with the mundane daily life that makes up the spice of the story. There is value in these type of stories too. And sure, there is no police, no governement, no stakes in keeping the Panda form secret, (pretty much everybody at school knows)... like everybody can be a hero in My Hero Academia !
Who knows, this is the Pixar-verse anyway, weirder things have happened already (walking and talking toys, or fishes, or bugs, or cooking rats, or cars, or Superheroes... I'm pretty sure that in this world, people seeing a giant talking twerking red panda would be like, "Oh ? Tuesdays...")
- I believe it was very much intentional of the director Domee Shi to basically nostalgically recreate a fantastic version of her own teenage years. She grew up in Toronto, and this movie felt like a love letter to the city, and it's great ! I'm personally kind of tired to see New York, San Francisco, London, Gotham, or Tokyo, or even HK or Shanghai or Paris in movies. What about other less covered cities, like Brussels, Taipei, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur, Mumbai, Praha, Vienna, Mumbasa, Bogota ?), so this movie (Red Pandas excepted) is basically an autobiography of her in 2002.
It makes it feels all the more personal and almost like an author film, which, in the big Disney/Pixar cogwheels machinery, does not happen that often. This movie couldn't be dissociated from Domee, it really is her own movie rather than just a "generic" Pixar movie, and that's something I love about it.
- Also, as a pro, I don't think the fact that the pandemic got in the way has impeded into the storytelling itself. That script was written way before 2019, and in animation, the production process is not like in live action, where you can re-write and reshoot on the spot to adapt to the circumstance, in animation, once the script and storyboard are lockdowned, it's set in stone, and there is nothing that can be changed anymore, since we have to create every single frame you see on screen from scratch, and any single modification or retake costs an insane amount of time, effort and money. Storyboard might be an afterthought for live action filmmaking, but in animation, we basically do the final editing of the movie down to the single frame during the animatic phase. So I really don't think there is a director's cut somewhere in Pixar's hard drives where there is a version of the script where she goes into Ta Lo and cuddles up with the big gates lions of the village, while training her taichi with Michelle Yeoh. It really wasn't the tonal purpose of the movie, here. But who knows, maybe for a chapter 2, if the movie is successful (and I've heard it did big viewing hours on Disney+, so really hoping that if they do make a second one, they'll finally release it on theaters ! I frankly hated the fact I couldn't watch this movie in IMAX 3D ! As an animation filmmaker, this is the one true way to watch a movie, especially a Pixar one ! They are the only studio that have unequivocally mastered the potential of 3D movies !).
- As for your remark on how Bao destroyed you and this feature film didn't have the same emotional punch : Well, shorts filmmaking as an art is very underestimated in terms of storytelling power. Here you don't have the luxury of 1h30, you only have a few couple minutes to tell your story, so you better make it REALLY intense ! No space for fluff or any fat, or even dialogues (most of the most powerful shorts are silent movies), it's extremely trimmed down to leave only the good stuff ! It is a very different form of storytelling than feature films, which is why a lot of features from the same directors than shorts feel like diluted or with unnecessary fluff in them, compared to short ones.
You only have to watch one of the most renowned shorts animations directors of all times, Michael Dudok Dewit, and his multi-awards winning Father and daughter, get emotionally wrecked, watch the rest of his shorts filmography, get wrecked again, and then when he got invited by Studio Ghibli (of all studios, coz Miyazaki and Takahata were both great fans of his shorts, suffice to say that this is the only non-japanese director that got a chance to direct a Ghibli-produced movie) to direct a feature film, it did result in The Red Turtle, which, while it is one of the most beautiful animated movies of all times, it also did felt like it had some obvious padding in it in order to fill the 70-80 minutes mark to qualify as a feature film.
- I'm myself coming form the short films world, trying to break out in the TV series or feature world now, so I'm quite well aware of the differences : There is so much more to write than in a short ! It feels like it's taking forever ! And not all the things you write in there are necessarily all great ideas, but you have to move forward for the sake of padding this runtime.
- All in all, this movie is probably not the best Pixar ever, but goddamn, is it a welcomed one !
It dared take risks, which is not something you see often in a Pixar film (just the visual style itself is a mix between 90's Anime like Sailor Moon, Ranma 1/2 and some 2000's kids shows pastel color palette, with a little bit of Miyazaki - The Panda looks reminiscent of Totoro -, and even a little bit of Wallace and Gromit - the teeth and smiles - all of it blended together in a Pixar lighting and fur style).
It also does wonder for the representation of not only Asian people (after Shang Chi from Marvel, Asians now got Turning Red from Pixar, only 2 of the BIG 3 studios in the world, with Lucasfilm)... AND it's also a movie that has been done by a full team of women director, producers, writers, leads and cast, etc... and, surprise muddafukkaz, not only it didn't stink, but it was actually a beautiful, great fun and emotional ride !
So basically, diversity done right !
So I'm all in for more of these, please !
Pixar, your future is in good hands ! (if Disney doesn't tank them first, of course, with this movie being the 3rd one they release on Disney+ only, while they have no problem putting their own Raya and Encanto in theaters, which reeks of fishy corporate monkey business).
But strictly creatively speaking, I'm super interested to see where Pixar will head to in the coming future years.
Wow, thank you for taking the time to write all that! Really appreciate hearing your thoughts
@@junebugforever you're welcome. I appreciate that you appreciate ^^.
As an animation filmmaker who hasn't got his breakthrough yet, but did spend quite a considerable time in the industry, I obviously had a lot of time to give it some thoughts, and this movie has juggled with them a good deal. Which is why I wanted to talk about it.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Appreciate the feedback and the counterpoints. Even though I agree/appreciate with some of Jaby’s points, he did sound like a tiger mom whose kid did not meet all of his expectations… hahah…. Granted, I agree this is not one of the best Pixar movies, but I had fun and was able to connect with the movie the director set out to do.
@@brianng8350 Jaby does feel like an Asian dad, from time to time ^^
I guess after the Shang Chi shock, he felt more used to see the big Hollywood studio portraying an Asian family movie trope (after Marvel, here comes Pixar), therefore taking it more for granted, which kinda activated his Asian dad syndrom and he felt more inclined to EMOTIONAL DAMAGE the shit out of it ^^.
Although I have no doubt that not so deep within, he still enjoyed the movie very much.
Glad you connected to the movie as well. Let's see just how universal this movie gets (contrary to that critic that felt this movie was done specifically just for Domee and her friends -_-)
Now this is a Kaiju sized response. ;D
the thing about it going direct to Disney+ can be beneficial in this case because you can stop to have "that talk" or connect with a parent, or have no reservation about holding back in your reactions to the movie.
personally, i like that i could buy the 4k ultra collectors edition from the store much sooner than normal.
but i also would have really like to have gotten to see it in the Theater.
or gotten photos with the big advertisement cardboard display stands that usually accompany an animated movie. (checks internet. O.O you can buy the cardboard stand even though it didnt go to theaters.)
any way, pluses and Minuses. just hope this movie gets the recognition it deserves.
The 'gyrating' is kind of common in Anime, Crayon Shin-chan anyone? I could see why it was 'shocking' to people who watch mostly Western animation, but a lot of funny anime involves lots of butt-shaking...haha.
Really that’s crazy, I thought that gyrating was a Proto word to use before the modern current usage of the word Twerking…
Jaby asking why they wouldn't give her a heads up and Achara just matter of factly saying sometimes they don't do that tho and he's still just stuck on the panda part, like bruh! That's the point! You'd think it'd get talked about, but sometimes it just doesn't! 😂😂
Also.. just my pov 'the point of no return' was her, finally deciding for herself to keep the panda. To decide to go on the adventure, despite it being not what her mom wants for her. The movie was about, not the adventure itself, but her decision to listen to herself and embrace the adventure, instead of just doing what's expected of her, even if that means defying and disappointing the one person she's spent her whole life trying to prove herself to.
Amazing!!! 🤩🤩🤩
I think they thought they'd have more time
@@tiffanykim2773 ahh I mean, yea.. kinda gathered that when Ming said that.. pretty much verbatim 😅
@@tiffanykim2773 definitely, if Ming first got her panda when she introduced her own mother to her husband, she would likely be quite a bit older. Late teens at least, you don't introduce a future husband at age 13.
On the issue of Bao hitting harder than Turning Red - it's easier for Bao, since feature length and content have a lot more to do with how diluted you might have felt the emotional punch was.
Turning Red had to be light enough not to alienate people who might not connect well to a spunky, awkward, modern, coming of age movie, not offend most adults sensibilities and still tell an authentic story of relationships (literally inspired by Domee Shi's and her DP's own childhoods and growing up, including influences of Inuyasha, Sailor Moon and Cardcaptor Sakura - fun note, Domee actually spent two years working at their family's temple back in China).
I feel like instead of a movie told from a specific, more emo place, turning Red was like a love letter to growing up in the 2000's.
All Bao had to do was to entertain and pull at the heartstrings of everyone watching in 4 minutes.
Americans knowledge of Canadians is so abysmal LOL this was a great reaction though. Just finished watching the movie myself. Growing up in Toronto I loved all of the little Easter eggs and toronto-ness of it. It's so rare we get to see our city on the big screen. Correction. Our city is on the big screen constantly. Just not as Toronto LOL
Agreed 💯!!
Regarding the pizza thing in Soul: I think it's because it was New York and that's what you grab off the street corners. ALSO Joe wasn't currently in his body at that time...
I think the reason why Ming doesn’t feel like the typical scary Tiger Mom-ish is because Meilin has always done what is expected of her; chores in temples and at home, excelling in her studies and extracurricular activities, very obedient and never talked back, and she done everything she was told with good attitude. Even when Ming becomes more overbearing, Meilin never really stood up against her. If Ming had been very mean and with that stereotypical Asian mum behavior when Mei Mei had been such a good girl, then she would seem very unreasonable, hateful and abusive.
It’s only when Mei Mei finally rebelled against her mum (kept her panda spirit and gone to the concert) did Ming become very scary. “How could she do this to her own mother?”
I know, right! Meilin has been a dutiful daughter and has been pushing herself to achieve whatever has been thrown at her just because her mother's approval matters the most to her. Had this continued, Meilin would've had a major identity crisis once she grows up and would've ended up a 'people pleaser' all her life.
Mom was scary, but MeiMei decided to beat herself rather than see her mom as the enemy. And for the scary mom, just look to the mother and grandmother relationship. I think the director wanted variations to be represented.
Agreed. Also, because Meilin has always done what she’s told, Ming tends to blame others when something goes wrong, like they’re the bad influence, taking advantage of her daughter. This is also setting a unseasonably high standard for Meilin, like she can’t even make a single mistake, which is why she chose to lie. Ming may not be strict and stern, but her parenting style is in no way healthy.
Its about generational trauma. The main part that should make this obvious is when she has to console her mom.
One of the best Pixar movie I've ever watched 🙌🙌 #Turningred
Jaby can seem like such a buzzkill sometimes. I mean y'all watching a family movie about people becoming big red panda's and he's unironically wondering why the military hasn't shown up yet lmfao
how dare he use his brain....
@@algorithmicalychallenged.291 What about asking where the military is in the middle of a fantastical children's movie is "using his brain"?
@@zammmerjammer what part of thinking is using your brain...
Your lack of self awareness isn't high.
@@algorithmicalychallenged.291 There's using your brain and then there's being obtuse. Stuff like that is just suspension of disbelief and basically every single movie on earth, to an extent, requires it. There will be SOME things that don't happen exactly as they would in real life and to get stuck on those instead of focusing on what makes a story better and more meaningful is, for lack of a better term, Cinemasins-y. Like, people can ask why the military never got involved but it's not like Turning Red not having the military in it makes it a worse movie.
Tbf I was also wondering why not more people were concerned about the huge red panda walking around. I mean they showed it on the news and then act like authorities didn't gaf about it.
@GETJaby the reason why this movie feels different from other PIXAR films is because it's from a new director who wanted to highlight her Asian Canadian roots. It's not following the usual Pixar formula to the T.
It’s a slice of life anime inspired Pixar film lol. And it’s based on a real experience about a teenage girl going through puberty and dealing with overbearing familial expectations. The fantastical elements were never the point. And even though the story beats were fairly relatable, it’s still implicitly a coming of age story about a teenage Chinese-Canadian girl. So there are going to be some elements that are specific to that experience & POV. Personally, as a black dude from Philly it didn’t hinder my enjoyment of the movie at all. Though I will admit, I’d rather they explored more of those specific Asian cultural elements instead of seemingly trying to relate to everyone. But I can accept that this just wasn’t THAT story.
did anyone notice the stickers on the flute case at the beginning of the movie are different, in the video it has "pi heart", in the one I have on Disney plus has "this girl loves math"
They sometimes change stuff like that
@@tiffanykim2773 Why though? Doesn't seem like it matters that much to change
Yeah and the posters above her desk said ”Study, listen & work” when I watched it on disney plus but here the text is gone
On my disney+, the part where they introduced mei friends, they didn’t show the text like “Priya” “Abbey” but when i saw on the internet there’s that text showing the name of the friends
for the internet, those are like Easter Eggs.
for the practical stance, those minor changes are usually for different markets.
Zootopia changed the news anchor animal to be more relevant to a given geographic.
This movie was such a good period piece..
Iykyk...
Jaby and achara are probably my favorite combo. My wife and I agree had our kids stop watching turning red mostly for her it's the bedroom scene
i don't know if you guys noticed or not but there was a sikh character in this movie as a security guard in the school scene
I still can’t get over the fact Greg is the younger brother.
Wait what !?
I should've realized they were related he and Greg sound very similar.
Yes, I thought Jaby is the younger one but after that video of when they were young was a revelation
26:19 if u look closely the bao place is in the background if you look when mei gets off the bus
10:31 did you notice that the girl in the bathroom had a diabetic patch
How the hell Pixar always kills it no matter whosoever watches it
It's his opinion and I'm sad this reactor never got more out of the movie but, he could get the magical quality from this?? We did both watch the same movie, didn't we?? The magic emanated from every frame! The ending is sheer genius and so damn poignant.
Jaby needs to get in touch with his inner tween. 😂
I think he is trying to repress those years/memories… it sounded like he had some issues - which is pretty common - whether acne, growth spurt, late blooming, bullying or something else. He has his Catholic school and repression… hahaha…
Dont ever use that phase again...
so he didnt like it because he's comparing it to every animation from the studio. INSTEAD of judging it on it's OWN!!
From this studio, it does feel same Everyone, just culture changed and character looks.
@@amy_yoshikawa tell me one example.
@@amy_yoshikawa other than Encanto which was from Disney, this is the only Pixar that intensely talked about puberty, family relationship, and generational trauma
I do wonder how Jaby feels about it as just a movie. I do understand Pixar is an incredible brand with unprecedented hit record, and that is a high standard to live up to.
i just took it as a metaphor for puberty, periods/menstral cycles and growing up, thats it
19:40: We got a freakin' kaiju, up in this shit!
For the record, the SkyDome is 282 feet tall.
Tbh I interpreted the panda as the inside rage, since it was a thing made to defend others
This movie so relatable i grow up in a home bunch of women. Time of the month. Never stayed in the house turn into big 🐺
I saw a breakdown of this from a Canadian youtuber, and it was interesting to hear about the references in the movie that were of Canadian culture, especially from that time. It was a millenial creator. Pretty interesting, but not a lot of specific things that he thought, as they were pushing it to be Canadian heavily, but the youtuber pointed out that there weren't that much references 😂🤷♂️🤔
that scary version of her was the panda side of her. the panda was contained into the necklace. suppressed emotions. locking them away because its inconvenient to let that out in a un censored way.
The surface level metaphor was the females getting their Period.
The Puberty level of your emotions becoming stronger.
the sort of dancing she did at the end was more showing her mom what she liked. a flood gate being open of all the suppressed hidden side.
OMG..you guys watched this 🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗Thank you so much
Glad I decided to watched it with you guys. Dont feel like I would have enjoyed it all that much with the side by side reactions.
I think you're missing the thirteen-Ness of this movie. It's like you're expecting a 15 or 16 year old experience.
Much like when people watch "Big" and make comments on adult josh (hanks) not seeming authentic in his thought/actions for a 9 year old... When the character is introduced as turning 13 (turns that age over course of the story), and already has a teens interest in girls. Over and over again commenting on how a 9 year old wouldn't do this or that in such a situation. No duh, dumbass, the character is a horny teen. An innocent/respectful one, sue, but still a horny teen ready and hoping for a girlfriend. Maybe pay better attention to the set up, before judging the later execution of that set up.
Same. At first I thought the grandmas voice was Michelle Yeoh.
They tone down Ming character because Ming is a Tiger Mother, just like the Grandma.. She would transform into Tiger whenever you try to argue or question her decision..
Tiger mothers are Stubborn, Ferocious, and they always thought they were right because they had more experience and saw more things even before their kids born..
So if Pixar blatantly Blame Tiger Parenting by showing us Ming Shouting Mei Mei, and abuse Mei Mei at home.. All Tiger Parents would just be ignorant and thought Pixar just Exaggerating the effect of tiger parenting to the kids while in real life they practically doing the same thing.. remember, they are stubborn, and they are getting used to be the "always right" human being
That's why when Mei Mei finally tell the truth of herself, Ming simply won't accept it.. To the point where Mei Mei needs to Physically Headbutt her mother to make her tiger mother unconscious.. That's exactly the only way you win an argument with Tiger Mother..
I think the director did not want the mom to be a “real villain”. Since it is based on her real life experiences, she wants to represent them with some hindsight and give credit to the mother that she just wanted the best for her daughter whether the approach is right or wrong.
I'm glad Abby is Jaby and Achara's fav character.
Attack On Titan was what I got reminded of too but because of her ancestor gaining powers and them being transported through generations.
You’re never not on my mind…🎵
I guess Pandapocalypse is the reason why the Skydome became the Rogers Centre.
I have said it many times and ill say it again, my thoughts and understanding is ditto same to same to Achara. We cry at the same scenes, we understand the metaphor in same manner, ethics that we want in films everything literally everything
Canadians of all ethnicities take their shoes off in the house. Tbh there were a few things about this movie that the fact that it was mostly made by U.S. Americans bled through, the shoes thing being one of them. Most of the things were pronunciation inaccuracies because they cast u.s. voice actors.
Can’t speak for all Canadian, but in my social circles, the proper etiquette is to start taking off your shoes, then the host says “no no no, it’s ok, keep them” and then you still take them off.
Uhhh, my immigrant Asian parents and us Toronto born children wore our shoes into our house unless of course it was winter. I'm pretty sure, I wore my shoes into many houses as well unless we were told not to at the doorway. I live in Japan now and wearing shoes inside is definitely a no-no. I really felt this movie represented my memories of Toronto even though it was set 20 years after my time.
@@U2Bcarlo I've been in many Canadian households over the years (especially because of my caregiver job) and there are sometimes homes that I come across that are "shoes on homes", but they are rare and counter-culture. You lived in a counter-cultural home. Which is not a bad thing, it's just the minority. Why your home was this way? You'd have to ask your parents. But to say you wore your shoes in other's homes, might have been you unknowingly being rude (though, I don't know your life and whose homes you were in, again, this would be a conversation to have with those in your life at that time.). Unless, this is specifically a Toronto thing that I'm simply not aware of. But I would find it odd that one single city in Canada would have such a drastic counter-canadian norm. But I guess there's always a possibility.
Well I can't speak for the cultural makeup of the whole production staff, but the director herself is chinese-canadian, and from what I understand, a LOT of the story here is informed by her own experiences growing up.
That’s almost accurate but not quite accurate half of the voice actors were Canadian, Sandra Oh and the actresses who who played Abby and Priya were from my understanding Canadian
24:02 the scene w/ Mei's mum in the bamboo forest reminds me of ParaNorman
I hope you guys watch the Adam project! It’s great! and this movie was unexpectedly funny 😂
That critic got railed, as you put it (read his "review" and you'll find out why) is because he was a total prick! There was no real analysis from him about the movie except that he apparently couldn't relate to it because it was "too niche" and "too Asian", and that it would only relate to director Domee Shi's friends. He could apparently relate to toys that come to life, cars with eyeballs, talking fish, robots with emotions, and monsters that scare kids, but apparently not a human girl of Chinese ancestry going through puberty and discovering herself. That was "exhausting" apparently. The dog whistles in his review were practically foghorns and he was rightly castigated for it!
The "told.... " part of it may be intentional, sometimes you think your relationship with your perants is different from what it is. You tell your self your mother is your bestfriend because she keeps saying it but you're afraid to tell her stuff, afraid to be hurt by them but still Say your connection is different from what it is.
5:43 Oohhh no you didn't!
LMFAO DUDE THAT REFERENCE!!!!
Yay! I love this movie.
Her panda is big because of stress she gets from her mom
I feel like mom tried to become flash while chasing her daughter/ Panda
It can be about embracing who you are and who you want to be and choose to be that is universal theme
Oh I can't wait for the Pitch Meeting
weird thing I think that I saw a meme in I think 2018 or 2019 that has the similar scene to the school when her mother was hiding behind the tree
The panda is specifically periods. It's why it's only the women and the adults do it. It's the main controversy
Also the cheering on tweaking is horrible
OMG first appeared in 1917, but yes, people started using it the way we commonly use it in the 1990s.
Great point Jaby about feeling something is missing; the magical element in the movie. Thanks for being respectful when sharing your perspective. It helps me to think about my own reaction to this movie. Overall I enjoyed the movie, laughed myself silly, and I know it’s not for everyone. 👍great reaction Jaby and Achara.
But I feel like the mystical element is overused, especially when diving into other cultures- mystical element of Coco or Black Panther or Shang Chi? That seems to be the only way to accept other cultures to the masses. Or maybe this has double meaning - the mystery of other cultures we are not familiar with? Let’s make them mystical!
It was a fun animated movie but I don't understand why you'd nitpick details like drawing perfect circles or the US govt getting involved when the mom turned kaiju panda. Its just a fantasy cartoon movie made for kids, not a nat geo documentary... Sheesh!
the perfect circle makes sense. he had 50 years of experience~
19:36 Me: Oh, God! We've got a freaking kaiju up in this shit!
20:03 She actually referenced O-Town!
Y'all guys watch the Adam project...it serves the purpose of your discussion
You both should do a reaction on Encanto too🥺🥺 U would love it♥️
They already watched it.
It's nice to see the old name on the stadium it is now called Rogers center
5:41 LMAO LOVE THE MULAN REFERENCE
I was waiting on Jaby to say "for if your mom finds out you're a red panda, the penalty is death" 😂
32:56 yeah, Luca is set in the '50s, it's not a modern take on Italy (like most of the Italian representation we get from American production companies 😅 Heaven forbid we Italian have smartphones and high-speed trains like the rest of the World 🤣)
I mean, a single smartphone would have completely changed the plot of Luca. Imagine someone taking a high quality picture of a sea monster.
@@AZDfox 😂😂 yeah, okay, this makes sense, but what is the excuse for all the other movies? 😝😅
I seriously think that's kind of continuation of Inside Out. Look, Inside Out ended when Rally was 12 years old and an extended control panel with a RED 'puberty' light is installed. In Turning Red, Mei is 13 and this light actually TURNS RED. Of course, there are also externalized emotions. People wondered how Inside out would have looked with those themes and now it turns out that is controvercial, but NO it's natural. What can Pixar discuss topics about trauma, death, killing, guns, betreyals, fraud, and not about puberty? Kids should know earier than it happens. I have to admit that trailers of turning red seemed to me not encouraging, but I watched movie and I love it. Pixar instead of focusing on deep metaphysical themes, this time it focused on a down-to-earth, inevitable topic.
The time of the action is also not accidental, 2002 was the year in which the current 33-year-olds were 13 years old and matured in those realities, and now they probably have their own 13-year-old children. This was to remind you of the times when they were teenagers and surely these awkward things happened to them and to understand the individuality of their child.
In 2002 I was 2 years old so I cannot fully identify with those realities xD, but I am in between these 2 decades and I have not "forgotten" yet what it is like to be at this age and this film is so accurate.
I also love cultural references and generation trauma
Disney Pixar
I think people were saying OMG and LOL back in 2002, bc texting was becoming popular on those nokia phones, n it was good for saving space in the texts, and even online messengers like AIM were popular and people used that stuff.
yes, but he clarified his statement with "but they weren't saying it out loud yet, were they?"
1:18 jaby, you are the man dude hahahaha
Waiting for cobra Kai you guys said you were gonna do more cobra Kai 😭🥋😫
I think what I liked about this film, was the character of Mei mei. The dilemma she faces in the movie is what I face in reality.
Sometimes accepting who you are is difficult cause it might be against your family so you want them to be with you and to accept you the way you are.
I think what's most important for a family is to not necessarily agree on everything but to not restrict and stop your kids from being who they are really.
your "black" friends need to realize: blackness isnt a monolith. soul food s a southern thing. plenty of none southern blacks dont know or like soul food. also you like what you like. my favorite foods are chinese and burgers. if they made a movie about my life where the character is listening to shinhwa instead of ll cool j, eating chinese food instead of chitterlings, is buddhist instead of christian, does it stop being a black film when its based on a TRUE LIVING black person??????????????????????
I never knew there were deferent types of the movie there's somethings that are changed
If Abby were to get a spin-off and Jaby were to watch it, he's bound to go ROFL.
Did anyone else notice that the sticker on her flute case changed? The version I watched had a sticker that said "This girl loves math" but this version has a pi symbol and a heart. I'm very confused by this
Okay so at the start of the movie,i really thought that the movie is going to talk a girl getting in to periods..and revolves around how she feels and the big red teddy bear is just to portray to us like..she is getting the pain or something like that...but woahhh hahaa it was a whole different story and i felt dumb.
Jaby: Everyone knows who BTS is... that's the Chinese group.
Everyone Else: And I took that personally
ROTFLMAOO🤣💀🤣
The mushu references 👏🏻😂
It did come in a way when she apologized to her friends at the end
21:30 Yep, that’s every Asian mom 😂
So, are you guys gonna do more movie reactions?
Jamie Lee Curtis voice: It's a story about trauma.
Jaby is like me when I talk about k-pop groups 😂😂😂 aren’t they from Nepal? 😂😂😂
what ????
Koay that intro is 😎👍🏻👍🏻
5:01 actually, it’s just a merman 🧜🏻♂️
please do more disney films reactions
9:55 Jaby and Achara that's a sikh punjabi guy, there are lots of Sikhs in Canada
It was easy because they were separated from the pandas. Mei's panda is still bound to her
I think it's a cute movie.
Why are some shots and designs totally different from the one I saw. are you watching an early cut??
Abby is best girl!!!
This movie is more relatable to we asaian bcoz this is how our parents are always ordering , cant do a thing without there concern otherwise they'll do emotional blackmail etc ..... And this was till i was 24 and now i have job outside my city and finally having freedom for the 1st time, and i like it , but they still do damage to my soul by call ,