Isn't that ALWAYS what happens in these cases? The brass asses always find ways to lay the blame for their greedy actions on some poor slob making barely minimum wage while they pocket millions!
@@michelleroberts6597- Technically, he did stay in the airline industry, but he didn't work as an airline mechanic again! He is an avionics mechanics instructor in Clearwater, Florida now. And, he was paid a $500,000 settlement from Alaska Airlines to resign.
Technically, John Liotine didn't get fired. Instead, Alaska Airlines paid him $500,000 to quit. He went on to become a successful airline mechanics instructor in Clearwater, Florida. So, although he didn't work directly as an airline mechanic, he's done well for himself and stayed in the industry as an avionics mechanic instructor. In the US, they don't send anyone to prison. They just rework the rules to make sure certain accidents don't happen again. However, what is amazing is how many other ways people find to cause new accidents!
@@godsdaughter9042indeed I used to think this wasn’t acting but the real thing until I though hmm they have a whole lot of angles recorded for it being a accident nonetheless these actors are absolutely amazing since they fooled me making me think these videos where the real deal instead of reenactments
@lorimeyers3839 absolutely good actors at playing out this horrible tragedy. You can literally feel their struggle when the stabilizer unjams suddenly!
The passenger who said Capt. Piche is not a hero is one smug and ungrateful wretch. That pilot did what had never been done before and saved over 300 lives, what a man and a hero!
He said he wasn't a hero, but was a great pilot! Some people use the term hero for people they consider going above and beyond. Piche saved himself and prevented the plane from crashing. In other words, he did his job!
Yes, but the situation would never have happened in the first place, if he had relied on the computer warning and searched for a landing opportunity immediately. He obviously so much WANTED it to be just a computer error - but one cannot think like that.
No protection for maintenance engineers who report mismanagement and breaches of safety protocols!! And the Safety Inspector tells them "you have to be prepared to find work in a different industry if you become a whistle-blower" and does nothing to change that! Crazy.
Same thing in medical, social work, mental health, community care etc etc. Australia. No protections for people who are aware of faults and risks of harms to be able to speak up.
@@kylieharrison3782 In any country. We should make whistle blowers heroes, instead we make them pariahs. I think this shows a large segment of the population is doing something wrong and wouldn't want a whistle blower in their job area, company or industry
Working people have no protection from liars or antagonistic management. It can ruin the financial future and create a real mess. It's just ridiculous.
the most heartbreaking one was with Alaska 261.They fought it till the end but there was nothing that could had done to save them.May all rest in peace
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Every plane made is flown by all the airlines, there are just a handful of large passenger jet manufacturers, there are hundreds if not thousands of airlines, every manufacturer has built in what's referred to as tombstone technology, Google it, most accidents that are equipment or mechanical failure are a result of that, not the airline, except alligent air, never, ever fly Alligent, got that snippet from a Friend in the industry....tombstone technology, it's an excepted and known😢 statistic....😮 the ffa has approved of known tombstone technology so has NTSB, money matters not lives
Sounds a LOT like American Airlines flight 191 that, on May 25, 1979, lost an engine and crashed because of cost cutting and incompetent UNION employees cutting corners to save time. The UNION of Alaska Airlines is as much to blame as the airline because they KNEW of the illegal practices and did nothing to stop them! If they can bring down a major airline like they did at Eastern, a maintenance issue should have been a piece of cake for them.
Sounds a LOT like American Airlines flight 191 that, on May 25, 1979, lost an engine and crashed because of cost cutting and incompetent UNION employees cutting corners to save time. The UNION of Alaska Airlines is as much to blame as the airline because they KNEW of the illegal practices and did nothing to stop them! If they can bring down a major airline like they did at Eastern, a maintenance issue should have been a piece of cake for them.
I was working on a fishing vessel and we were just about to dock in Port Hueneme when the coast guard put the sos out. We turned around and headed back out. We were the 1st vessel on scene. All that was left on the surface was an oil slick clothing and dead bodies. Not a day goes by that I don't think about those people on that plane. I truly believe that flight crew did everything they could but the end was inevitable because of the shitty maintenance done on that aircraft by Alaska Airlines. I will never ever forget that day
Terrifying. I cant help to think the worst when i fly. Just knowing that however heroic or how strong your will to live is, there is absolutely nothing you can do to save yourself or others. Such a helpless feeling. Rest in peace brave travelers. 😢
This is the first episode of this show that I ever watched, it took my breath away. Something about these two actors that portrayed the pilots in this episode really got to me. I think they absolutely portrayed the two men perfectly by all the information we find out about them throughout. They did absolute everything they could in situations that would have caused others to give up long before they hit the ocean. What the passengers went through is unimaginable, it makes me quite emotional. Some of these crashes are easier to digest because I suppose the suddenness and shock experienced in that situation might make it less terrifying but they all knew absolutely what was happening, and it was painful. Although I picture the actors in my head when I do I think of these two pilots often… they embody what pilots are supposed to, and should be to this day.
Every time I fly to Europe I can’t stop thinking about this exact tragedy. I look down into the dark skies knowing the dark cold ocean is waiting for the next victim.
If they had an older plane they would be used to crossfeeding fuel. Military C 141 still use old systems. Training in a new system has to be taught. Never assume that fuel cannot leak away even if it's a new aircraft. Especially if the engine was recently serviced or changed which pilots should see in prior to flight maintenance log. We call mechanics who mess up detainers. I was a C141 mechanic and paid very close attention to repairs or replacement parts. It breaks my heart to hear when shoddy maintenance occurs. I've seen it happen and wrote about it on other channels & incidents. You must take the repairs seriously because the plane can't pull over and fix the mess in the air.
@@watchgoose So do I think about the millions who fly safely every day. But the wrong size bolts used to fasten the windscreen which failed and the captain was sucked out (& was held by a crew member outside the aircraft) bc a mechanic “eyeballed” the replacement bolts….your life belongs to your crew & aircraft mechanics!!!
All 3 incidents coverage and reporting absolutely nothing short of awesome and the complete presentation excellent and thank you for no inappropriate language.
My question is when all instrument goes crazy the control Tower should call the air force to intervene and guide the plane to land safely at the airport.
The Peruvian flight kills me. The pilots were being bombarded by conflicting alarms and ATC was giving them erroneous altitudes and air speed. They had very little chances to save the plane. Prayers for them, the passengers and all involved. All flights that do end successfully are horrible. Some are a bit more dubious than others. All these pilots are extremely brave and never gave up. Prayers for all victims.
I agree with you 100% what a lame ground control system! the ground system gets all of it's information from the crazy computer causing all the problems? what's the point of radar? I thought airport controllers got all their info from those rotating radars! it makes no sense. the controller did not seem to be aware that it's the jets computer reporting that data! I am sure this controller was shocked to learn his control systems cheat and get their data from a malfunctioning computer on the plane itself! this is one of those things that show how evil money is.
Those are the kind of docs I love: Very interesting, formatted like a thriller, but still accurate and full of details. Very good job and thank you for uploading it to UA-cam!
The pilots did an amazing job. Never gave up. I can't even imagine. A horrific crash. I can't even imagine being on one of the other planes and watching this unfold...
Insane they were able to stay as clam as they did with everything that was happening especially with several loud alarms blaring the whole time. I would have had a panic attack so fast had I been flying that plane. The whole situation is so sad.
At least the pilots have some level of control. Imagine if you were a PASSENGER. All those MINUTES of the most unimaginable terror. You’re upside down in a plane holding your child’s hands knowing you’re about to smash into the ocean and die immediately if you’re lucky. If you’re unlucky you survive the crash only to drown in icy cold salt water.
You have no way of knowing what they were feeling!! You weren't there! Its a video. Not reality! You weren't there! No one knows!!! Videos like these do not capture reality! Use your brain!!!
@ 32:00 damn ! I didn't think they'd actually show the bodies like that. Excellent production this series was. Brings the shocking reality of the accidents upfront
They should have warning signs it will alert the maintenance crew to make sure that tape is off that should be something that they should put up all around the plane so the maintenance can make sure that tape is off
There was a worse incident air Canada when the pilots engineers and ground crew made a huge mistake converting kilos to tons of fuel while fueling . So they had half the fuel needed to get to their destination. They had to glide to the runway safely. Thank heavens. They gave better training in conversions which was new to all of them. They used the wrong formula.
I had to make another comment: I do not agree with suing the daylights out of Boeing for the "built in fault" that covering those tubes for maintenance caused the error. What caused the error is leaving the tape on them, missed by every human check that was supposed to be done AFTER the maintenance. Instead of suing, how about BRAINSTORMING prevention to prevent another accident? IF I was a relative, I would suggest using bright orange, or florescent type REFLECTIVE tape! BRIGHT stuff that cannot be overlooked, and make it a routine for all maintenance workers to STOP and check their work, and for pilots to flash lights under their planes looking for bright REFLECTIVE MAINTENANCE TAPE--it would be better to spend the money inventing a product just for this type of use too. OR use battery operated reflectors with lights that have adhesive backing, anything, that can grab a person's attention so that those tubes are not left covered!! OR redesign the tubes with warning lights so that there is a reading telling pilots they are blocked. Something!!
One of Quotes that is repeatedly mentioned in these documentaries is that "regulations are made in blood" cause pleads are unheard, these airlines would try their best to cut their costs, so how will they learn? Lawsuits
These are so stressful to watch yet I still watch. The second one was so sooo stressful to go through it's sad knowing that these people never once thought they would die that day while preparing to go to their flights 🛫✈️
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About the blocked peto tube crash, why not have an hour glass 3/4 the way filled with an orange fluorescent liquid mount on the dash ? It could even have a thin black fill line. Then you can physically see if you’re going up,down,left,or right.
1:01:22 The jack screw on that plane is a terrible design absolutely terrible! There should have been more then one jack screw and the jack screw should have been a sealed system so it was encased in grease and have a reservoir of grease that will pump grease into the jack screw every time it’s used even just a drop. I can’t believe that’s the design a fucking single screw with no redundancy. I don’t care what anyone says or any excuse an engineer has no matter what it’s a terrible design and shame on the airline for not checking it once a month. They could have put a non conductive coating on the jack screw with a wire going to it and when the coating wore off the screw it would ground out and cause a warning light.
I never liked or trusted the rear engine planes. No idea why I just never liked that design. My favorite, believe it or not, was the DC-10. I flew in many as a young man and wow it was a HUGE plane! Most of the accidents were pilot and maintenance errors. The plane itself was amazing!
The Captain and his first officer are heroes. They made that aircraft glide the longest an airliner ever has and saved all lives on board. Cool, calm and level-headed.
i’ve watched so many of these air crash investigation videos since i was like 13. im 21 now and alaska airlines is the first accident to really hit me in the gut, as desensitized as that may sound. i take these videos as scientific, to understand where we come from and where we are now and where we can get to. but i myself have flown alaskan airlines. those were some of the smoothest and best flights, because they stick out in my memory. it just always felt good to fly alaska. rest in peace to all victims of negligence in the airline industry, whose deaths come at the hands at others 💔
all the warnings blaring all over the cockpit yet the captain and pilot tried to maintain the composure to come to a resolve....not forgetting the crew and passengers who calmly sat there not aware of what was becoming of them....Rest in peace y'all
Pilot & Co pilot have many years of experience plus many hours of emergency scenarios they practice each month. So for them, they have memory procedures they do and they are calmer because they are used to any & all sounds and indicators do. What was stressing was a pilot relies in certain instruments working at night & when they are all proving false information it's chilling
I love this show because not only is the acting and sets and the writing damn good, it's also very detailed and well designed in general. If this show were a plane, it would fly perfectly.
I will NEVER fly Air Alaska after watching this video. The management (at the time) needs to be in jail and barred from any future employment where lives are at risk. Then promote the whistleblower(s) to their vacant positions. It is unimaginable that nobody in management was held personally responsible.
Obviously the situation was very confusing but how in the world did they not understand that throttles on idle, a stall warning, and a terrain warning meant they were descending. I’m no pilot but I would have pushed the throttle forward and eliminated the chance of flying into the ocean. I mean seriously, throttles in idle for that whole time. Omg
Especially fully loaded and fueled. They could have a setting of flaps and throttle position that proves flying also their horizontal bubble was working.
Its so easy to analyse and comment on this from the corner of our couch. Imagine knowing what to do being in their place, on a dark night, in an aluminium tube and getting bombarded by countless error alarms and noises.
@@moafishing5654arm chair pilots, yes. Plus neither the pilots nor atc knew that atc got wrong altitude data from the aircrafts transponder. This was 1996, years before air france and other infamous stall incidents and accidents.
The pilots requested a radar reading from the control tower, but the air traffic controller didn't supply that. Was the controller unaware that they were seeing a plane transponder reading, and not a radar reading?
The tragic incident was shocked everyone who worked in the air control room. They did their best giving information but did nothing to save the flight as well all those was in board. It is a heart shaken moment. All those died in the crash let rest in peace.
Question 4 you If pitot tubes or probes were covered before plane even taxing. How did Pilots rotate without airspeed? How did they know when to level out at cruise height if altitude indicator was blocked? Why did they only have major issues when in arrival or final approach & no other times. That tape wasn't put on during the flight. Something strange here
The poor pilots in the first story. How stressful and confusing. Watching these videos I've learned that you NEVER ignore the stick shaker warning and the terrain warning.
Statement that Boeing is responsible for the Aeroperu accident is just absolutely absurd. It is Aeroperu's responsibility to train their mechanics or make sure company they hire to do the maintenance does it work according to regulations. This statement that "manufacturer is responsible to make sure that their product cannot be misused" so fecking stupid. If car owner takes steering wheel off and drives into accident it, the car manufacturer cannot be held responsible for stupidity of a user.
This was a long time ago but it seemed like yesterday. I’m sorry for all your loss. May they all Rest In Peace 🙏 Still watching from Washington State☔️
As a young marine in 1971 when we washed our C130 we covered those ports.. as part of a pre flight inspection you had to make sure they were clear.. this was not Boeing .. it was the flight crew.
One question was omitted in the Air Transet 236 survivor intervewe. What the heck is going on in the framed photo sitting just behind the lone male passenger? I'm sure the photo was recognized after taping but yet they left it in the final cut. Disturbing.
The thing that bothers me the most about the AeroPeru accident isn't that they forgot the tape over the Pitot tube, while unfortunate that is a predictable mistake... the thing that I find the most shocking/disturbing is that: a) Professional pilots didn't know how to fly their plane without airspeed/altitude instruments. Even without the instruments and with conflicting warnings, they should have been able to set the plane to a specific thrust and pitch and know that it would at the very least fly in a level, safe path. The fact that they had the speed brakes on and the engines at idle for so long but were receiving an overspeed warning should have made it obvious that it was an instrument failure in which case they should have focused simply on thrust and pitch to fly. Like the analyst said: fly the plane first, then worry about everything else that is going wrong. b) Neither the pilots nor the ATC seemed to know that the ATC's airspeed/altitude readings were coming from the plane's instruments. It is completely pointless in asking the ATC for their altitude and airspeed when they are having an instrument malfunction because ATC's readings come from those same instruments. It would be one thing if ATC had an alternative source for determining their air speed/altitude but if it's the same source they should both be aware of that in the event that this type of thing takes place.
It honestly astonishes me the amount of driving I’ve done, and the amount of flights I’ve taken and all the rest of it and I have never once with all honesty the fault of my own been involved in a major car crash I mean I have rolled my car, which really sucks to do stuff like that but I’ve never been involved in a major horrible accident like what I see
This made me anxious. I remember watching another episode with a Captain Ho, idk if it’s Japanese or Chinese pilot he was able to save the passengers and the Hawaiian plane that sucked out a flight stewardess! The planes pilots were amazing. This captain did their very best to save the plane without giving up unfortunately when it’s our time it’s done. God bless their souls 😢
Absolutely stellar. I’m so pleased every time I see Nance appear as an analyst or aviation expert in one of these aviation investigation videos. Thank you John, great work. ✈️👍🏻
I know I won’t be going on no plane I know it’s like 1 in a billion for the plane to crash but there’s still that chance that I just wouldn’t want to risk taking
Companies can apparently neglectfully be guilty of manslaughter of hundreds of people, but the courts will take in some cases years to convict somebody of things like theft and burglary
That first one, knowing that the pitot tubes were covered due to ground crew attempting to clean the plane, and the tubes being covered by tape and knowing what the crew went through and the loss of life that resulted in this mistake is really sad.
For the AeroPeru, they should have circled the city, at least they could use the city lights as a visual reference, they would be able to see if they are 1000 or 10,000 feet, also how the hell do planes not have basic non-electric instruments, you know sort of like a glass of water taped to the dashboard, the computer can go crazy but a glass of water never lies.
Yes! This is what I say. A single cluster of analog gauges would be irreplaceable. But nope got to have this technology beeping in my face 14 different ways.
WHY tf would that random stranger on the beach tell the father of one of the passengers on Alaska 261 how horrible it looked and how much they suffered 😢 pretty sure he knows that you don’t need to remind him
Some people have no tact or do not know the etiquette of grievance. I saw a nurse crudely tell a new mother her premature infant was in the morque. I felt very bad for her and said a few kind words to her. My heart sank how she said it. The day before the baby was ok. The lady was asking where her baby was. That was sad.
@@liamscott9496 Pheew . Thanks . Your comment hit me like a Joe Frazier left hook . I know you probably don’t know who that is or was . Lol . But man you wrote a great comment . Take care Joey
The Issue I have with this scenario is , Always pay Attention to the Terrain warni g. THAT should be the most pertinent Alarm! The Ground is your enemy at that point! If ANY Alarms should have been paid close attention, you would think that Warning would be quite relevant to the current situation?
Playing aircraft flight sim . I did a flight ( before watching this video) at night. While yes the terrain warning is an obvious sign … with the plane ( in the video) having all kinds of issues with its computer ( as they know it) - NOT knowing their altitude but also thinking they are at height due to ATC reading .. that water sneaks up at you at night .. I had my wife cover my altitude and I was nervous as hell under 5k .. but once that terrain warning came , I immediately went nose up Now that’s just me gaming.. imagine them with all kinds of warnings. But like a pilot said, go back to basics. Nose up - gain a perspective
the peruvian crash: don't the people cleaning the airplane have a checklist??? other question: how come the air controller did not know he was reading the speed and altitude info coming from the airplane??? last question: how come the pilots did not react to the yoke shaking? is the shaking a physical reaction or is it a signal sent from the speed and altitude information? .. why did they not go up as it was safer to do so as there is less risk going up in the air than potentially hitting the ground/sea? ..i understand their state of confusion, but with a yoke shaking, isn't that some tangible sign?
Whether legislation needs to evolve in one way and needs to to actually consider murder charges against these mechanics who slack.. is a very pressing question
If there are such strict procedures for the crew to run down their check lists, then why don't they have checklists for standard maintenance procedures such as removing the tape from the sensors? Even if it was "just a mechanic" whatever that means, checking the work, a checklist would have caught the tape that was covering the sensors per "standard procedure."
2:24:30 Ask the maintenance superior if the cost of waiting for the correct part, would have been cheaper from the damage caused to the plane and obviously more important the lives of over 300 people? Oh and have him personally apologize to every single passenger, crew and each of their friends and family.
Pitot tubes still caused problems after this in the new century with Malaysian airlines but no casualties as the pilot glided the plane back to runway.
AeroPeru flight. Even in tiny training aircraft, there is an alternate static air source available. Shouldn’t that be available on heavy transport aircraft? Alternatively, those computer things should be eliminated since tiny trainers provide more reliable airspeed and altitude information without the need for fancy compooter thingys
They still had a windshield to look out of, they wasnt flying totally blind, can they fly a plane without all those instruments, like a cropduster maybe ?
Install a 10$ camera on all the critical parts and display the visual on the cockpit display. The pilot could immediately understand the situation and can make proper prevention measures.
Im sorry but the last Episod i LOVE how both pilots put their sunglasses on at the same time. I almost looks like a scene from an old Flight commercial! 😅 "Yes and the runways long..." so calm and a kind if smart ass answer.
That Alaska Airline one really hits hard. On all levels.
Not one single Alaska Airline supervisor went to prison. Plus, they fired and ruined the career of the mechanic who alerted authorities. Shameful.
Isn't that ALWAYS what happens in these cases? The brass asses always find ways to lay the blame for their greedy actions on some poor slob making barely minimum wage while they pocket millions!
I know, right? and he was never able to work in the industry again, so they said in the documentary.
@@michelleroberts6597- Technically, he did stay in the airline industry, but he didn't work as an airline mechanic again! He is an avionics mechanics instructor in Clearwater, Florida now. And, he was paid a $500,000 settlement from Alaska Airlines to resign.
Technically, John Liotine didn't get fired. Instead, Alaska Airlines paid him $500,000 to quit. He went on to become a successful airline mechanics instructor in Clearwater, Florida. So, although he didn't work directly as an airline mechanic, he's done well for himself and stayed in the industry as an avionics mechanic instructor. In the US, they don't send anyone to prison. They just rework the rules to make sure certain accidents don't happen again. However, what is amazing is how many other ways people find to cause new accidents!
@Reality_TV that's great to know. thank you for sharing. although, it probably took years off his life, poor guy.
These pilot actors are terrific. They really make this dramatization feel so real.
I forget they're actors😂
@@godsdaughter9042indeed I used to think this wasn’t acting but the real thing until I though hmm they have a whole lot of angles recorded for it being a accident nonetheless these actors are absolutely amazing since they fooled me making me think these videos where the real deal instead of reenactments
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@lorimeyers3839 absolutely good actors at playing out this horrible tragedy. You can literally feel their struggle when the stabilizer unjams suddenly!
@@Killshot15 🤦♂ Sure every airplane has a camera crew in the cockpit just in case they crash....
The passenger who said Capt. Piche is not a hero is one smug and ungrateful wretch. That pilot did what had never been done before and saved over 300 lives, what a man and a hero!
It was a angel hero!!
They need to give that First Officer more credit. He was on it.
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He said he wasn't a hero, but was a great pilot! Some people use the term hero for people they consider going above and beyond. Piche saved himself and prevented the plane from crashing. In other words, he did his job!
Yes, but the situation would never have happened in the first place, if he had relied on the computer warning and searched for a landing opportunity immediately. He obviously so much WANTED it to be just a computer error - but one cannot think like that.
No protection for maintenance engineers who report mismanagement and breaches of safety protocols!! And the Safety Inspector tells them "you have to be prepared to find work in a different industry if you become a whistle-blower" and does nothing to change that! Crazy.
Same thing in medical, social work, mental health, community care etc etc. Australia. No protections for people who are aware of faults and risks of harms to be able to speak up.
@@kylieharrison3782 In any country. We should make whistle blowers heroes, instead we make them pariahs. I think this shows a large segment of the population is doing something wrong and wouldn't want a whistle blower in their job area, company or industry
Working people have no protection from liars or antagonistic management. It can ruin the financial future and create a real mess. It's just ridiculous.
This world is a pathetic pile of dog poop. Truly.
Welcome to this idiotic world we live in, truly pathetic.
the most heartbreaking one was with Alaska 261.They fought it till the end but there was nothing that could had done to save them.May all rest in peace
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Oh don’t worry there’s a few guilty SOB’s on the plane .!!
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Shame on Alaska airlines for cutting corners on essential maintenance schedules to boost profits causing that horrific crash.
It’s a shame many companies cut corners for profit that can cause hazardous conditions for others
Every plane made is flown by all the airlines, there are just a handful of large passenger jet manufacturers, there are hundreds if not thousands of airlines, every manufacturer has built in what's referred to as tombstone technology, Google it, most accidents that are equipment or mechanical failure are a result of that, not the airline, except alligent air, never, ever fly Alligent, got that snippet from a Friend in the industry....tombstone technology, it's an excepted and known😢 statistic....😮 the ffa has approved of known tombstone technology so has NTSB, money matters not lives
Sounds a LOT like American Airlines flight 191 that, on May 25, 1979, lost an engine and crashed because of cost cutting and incompetent UNION employees cutting corners to save time. The UNION of Alaska Airlines is as much to blame as the airline because they KNEW of the illegal practices and did nothing to stop them! If they can bring down a major airline like they did at Eastern, a maintenance issue should have been a piece of cake for them.
Sounds a LOT like American Airlines flight 191 that, on May 25, 1979, lost an engine and crashed because of cost cutting and incompetent UNION employees cutting corners to save time. The UNION of Alaska Airlines is as much to blame as the airline because they KNEW of the illegal practices and did nothing to stop them! If they can bring down a major airline like they did at Eastern, a maintenance issue should have been a piece of cake for them.
I was working on a fishing vessel and we were just about to dock in Port Hueneme when the coast guard put the sos out. We turned around and headed back out. We were the 1st vessel on scene. All that was left on the surface was an oil slick clothing and dead bodies. Not a day goes by that I don't think about those people on that plane. I truly believe that flight crew did everything they could but the end was inevitable because of the shitty maintenance done on that aircraft by Alaska Airlines. I will never ever forget that day
Terrifying. I cant help to think the worst when i fly. Just knowing that however heroic or how strong your will to live is, there is absolutely nothing you can do to save yourself or others. Such a helpless feeling. Rest in peace brave travelers. 😢
Alaska Airlines put everyone in danger, including their own employees(flight crew). Crazy mentality
This is the first episode of this show that I ever watched, it took my breath away. Something about these two actors that portrayed the pilots in this episode really got to me. I think they absolutely portrayed the two men perfectly by all the information we find out about them throughout. They did absolute everything they could in situations that would have caused others to give up long before they hit the ocean. What the passengers went through is unimaginable, it makes me quite emotional. Some of these crashes are easier to digest because I suppose the suddenness and shock experienced in that situation might make it less terrifying but they all knew absolutely what was happening, and it was painful. Although I picture the actors in my head when I do I think of these two pilots often… they embody what pilots are supposed to, and should be to this day.
Every time I fly to Europe I can’t stop thinking about this exact tragedy. I look down into the dark skies knowing the dark cold ocean is waiting for the next victim.
Ohh man and that is a long trip!
If they had an older plane they would be used to crossfeeding fuel. Military C 141 still use old systems. Training in a new system has to be taught. Never assume that fuel cannot leak away even if it's a new aircraft. Especially if the engine was recently serviced or changed which pilots should see in prior to flight maintenance log. We call mechanics who mess up detainers. I was a C141 mechanic and paid very close attention to repairs or replacement parts. It breaks my heart to hear when shoddy maintenance occurs. I've seen it happen and wrote about it on other channels & incidents. You must take the repairs seriously because the plane can't pull over and fix the mess in the air.
I have flown across the Atlantic 16 times once at the USS United States. I won't fly again
Instead, think about the sheer number of successful takeoffs and landings that occur all over the world every single day. Doesn't even compare!
@@watchgoose So do I think about the millions who fly safely every day. But the wrong size bolts used to fasten the windscreen which failed and the captain was sucked out (& was held by a crew member outside the aircraft) bc a mechanic “eyeballed” the replacement bolts….your life belongs to your crew & aircraft mechanics!!!
The actors in these videos are amazing! They are very convincing!
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All 3 incidents coverage and reporting absolutely nothing short of awesome and the complete presentation excellent and thank you for no inappropriate language.
My question is when all instrument goes crazy the control Tower should call the air force to intervene and guide the plane to land safely at the airport.
I barely heard a mayday
Hahhhhahhah maybe in USA but in Perú they are slow and they have the actitud like they dont give a F
The Peruvian flight kills me. The pilots were being bombarded by conflicting alarms and ATC was giving them erroneous altitudes and air speed. They had very little chances to save the plane. Prayers for them, the passengers and all involved.
All flights that do end successfully are horrible. Some are a bit more dubious than others. All these pilots are extremely brave and never gave up. Prayers for all victims.
I agree with you 100% what a lame ground control system! the ground system gets all of it's information from the crazy computer causing all the problems? what's the point of radar? I thought airport controllers got all their info from those rotating radars! it makes no sense. the controller did not seem to be aware that it's the jets computer reporting that data! I am sure this controller was shocked to learn his control systems cheat and get their data from a malfunctioning computer on the plane itself! this is one of those things that show how evil money is.
Didn't kill you, did kill many others though....
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A piece of tape was covered on the static ports, causing incorrect readings and the crash.
Thanks!
Those are the kind of docs I love: Very interesting, formatted like a thriller, but still accurate and full of details. Very good job and thank you for uploading it to UA-cam!
it was incredible!
Pilot A- Told you we make it!. ;)
Pilot B- " I think i need a change of underwear"....
Totally love that JOEY JERAMIAH HIMSELF is playing the part of the Lima tower ATC controller.
Everybody want something, I guess!
hahah for real, same reaction
I was looking for this comment 😂
Lol ...Zit remedy is here....
The moment I heard about air speed reading had a rough idea this plane came down due to pitot tubes blocked thanks to watching this documentaries
Same
The pilots did an amazing job. Never gave up. I can't even imagine. A horrific crash. I can't even imagine being on one of the other planes and watching this unfold...
Insane they were able to stay as clam as they did with everything that was happening especially with several loud alarms blaring the whole time. I would have had a panic attack so fast had I been flying that plane. The whole situation is so sad.
At least the pilots have some level of control. Imagine if you were a PASSENGER. All those MINUTES of the most unimaginable terror. You’re upside down in a plane holding your child’s hands knowing you’re about to smash into the ocean and die immediately if you’re lucky. If you’re unlucky you survive the crash only to drown in icy cold salt water.
Funny they all became clam, clams, that's a hoot, why does no one proof read their post's?
You have no way of knowing what they were feeling!! You weren't there! Its a video. Not reality! You weren't there! No one knows!!! Videos like these do not capture reality! Use your brain!!!
Maybe you should take your own advice as it's spelled "posts" plural not "post's" possessive.
@@uncleleo1873 got ‘em lmao
Thank you for posting, amazing video, makes you think about ones own existence.
@ 32:00 damn ! I didn't think they'd actually show the bodies like that. Excellent production this series was. Brings the shocking reality of the accidents upfront
Wow! but wow, thank you for such amazing documentary’s. Peace to those all that left to soon May they rest in peace. Incredible pilots.
They should have warning signs it will alert the maintenance crew to make sure that tape is off that should be something that they should put up all around the plane so the maintenance can make sure that tape is off
*Excellent documentary*
YES! The Captain and First Officer WERE heroes! They overcame the lack of others and saved so many lives.
There was a worse incident air Canada when the pilots engineers and ground crew made a huge mistake converting kilos to tons of fuel while fueling . So they had half the fuel needed to get to their destination. They had to glide to the runway safely. Thank heavens. They gave better training in conversions which was new to all of them. They used the wrong formula.
@@sharoncassell9358 Yes the Gimli Glider Air Canada Flight 143
Mayday all rest in peace ✌
I fly a lot and never take a safe landing for granted until the airplane touches down
I had to make another comment: I do not agree with suing the daylights out of Boeing for the "built in fault" that covering those tubes for maintenance caused the error. What caused the error is leaving the tape on them, missed by every human check that was supposed to be done AFTER the maintenance. Instead of suing, how about BRAINSTORMING prevention to prevent another accident? IF I was a relative, I would suggest using bright orange, or florescent type REFLECTIVE tape! BRIGHT stuff that cannot be overlooked, and make it a routine for all maintenance workers to STOP and check their work, and for pilots to flash lights under their planes looking for bright REFLECTIVE MAINTENANCE TAPE--it would be better to spend the money inventing a product just for this type of use too. OR use battery operated reflectors with lights that have adhesive backing, anything, that can grab a person's attention so that those tubes are not left covered!! OR redesign the tubes with warning lights so that there is a reading telling pilots they are blocked. Something!!
Very good suggestions that would not cost airlines a fortune
One of Quotes that is repeatedly mentioned in these documentaries is that "regulations are made in blood" cause pleads are unheard, these airlines would try their best to cut their costs, so how will they learn? Lawsuits
These are so stressful to watch yet I still watch. The second one was so sooo stressful to go through it's sad knowing that these people never once thought they would die that day while preparing to go to their flights 🛫✈️
Yes. We need to be ready every day. Our lives are short. Read the Bible. Jesus is still and always the only way to the Father.
@@davidblick2192 Amen David, and yes I do read the Bible 📖✝️ everyday, I go through the entire Bible from Genesis to Revelation and I do it in order by reading a chapter a day every day until I finish then I will start again. I am currently on the Book of first Kings 👑🦁 chapter 9. So this is how I do it. Praise God that He allows me a sinner to not only read but understand what I am reading about and it's context all because of His Great Mercy and Love. Thank you My Adoni Yeshua Ti Ha'maschiach, thank you....
I don't think it would be fair to say that they never once thought they would die that day
About the blocked peto tube crash, why not have an hour glass 3/4 the way filled with an orange fluorescent liquid mount on the dash ? It could even have a thin black fill line. Then you can physically see if you’re going up,down,left,or right.
That's the beauty of Analog. It's connected to the real world.
pitot tube
1:01:22 The jack screw on that plane is a terrible design absolutely terrible! There should have been more then one jack screw and the jack screw should have been a sealed system so it was encased in grease and have a reservoir of grease that will pump grease into the jack screw every time it’s used even just a drop. I can’t believe that’s the design a fucking single screw with no redundancy. I don’t care what anyone says or any excuse an engineer has no matter what it’s a terrible design and shame on the airline for not checking it once a month. They could have put a non conductive coating on the jack screw with a wire going to it and when the coating wore off the screw it would ground out and cause a warning light.
God bless Capt. Piche and First Officer De Jager! Super badass men!
I never liked or trusted the rear engine planes. No idea why I just never liked that design. My favorite, believe it or not, was the DC-10. I flew in many as a young man and wow it was a HUGE plane! Most of the accidents were pilot and maintenance errors. The plane itself was amazing!
The Captain and his first officer are heroes. They made that aircraft glide the longest an airliner ever has and saved all lives on board. Cool, calm and level-headed.
i’ve watched so many of these air crash investigation videos since i was like 13. im 21 now and alaska airlines is the first accident to really hit me in the gut, as desensitized as that may sound. i take these videos as scientific, to understand where we come from and where we are now and where we can get to. but i myself have flown alaskan airlines. those were some of the smoothest and best flights, because they stick out in my memory. it just always felt good to fly alaska. rest in peace to all victims of negligence in the airline industry, whose deaths come at the hands at others 💔
all the warnings blaring all over the cockpit yet the captain and pilot tried to maintain the composure to come to a resolve....not forgetting the crew and passengers who calmly sat there not aware of what was becoming of them....Rest in peace y'all
Pilot & Co pilot have many years of experience plus many hours of emergency scenarios they practice each month.
So for them, they have memory procedures they do and they are calmer because they are used to any & all sounds and indicators do.
What was stressing was a pilot relies in certain instruments working at night & when they are all proving false information it's chilling
May the souls of the lost rest in peace
I love this show because not only is the acting and sets and the writing damn good, it's also very detailed and well designed in general. If this show were a plane, it would fly perfectly.
I love watching Air Crash Investigation’s series’s a day before my flight ;)
Having landed on 3 different islands in the Açores - that was a miracle - they are literally a dot in the mid Atlantic.
I will NEVER fly Air Alaska after watching this video. The management (at the time) needs to be in jail and barred from any future employment where lives are at risk. Then promote the whistleblower(s) to their vacant positions. It is unimaginable that nobody in management was held personally responsible.
RIP in peace of the passengers on flying Aeroperu 603
Great video
Obviously the situation was very confusing but how in the world did they not understand that throttles on idle, a stall warning, and a terrain warning meant they were descending. I’m no pilot but I would have pushed the throttle forward and eliminated the chance of flying into the ocean. I mean seriously, throttles in idle for that whole time. Omg
Especially fully loaded and fueled. They could have a setting of flaps and throttle position that proves flying also their horizontal bubble was working.
Its so easy to analyse and comment on this from the corner of our couch. Imagine knowing what to do being in their place, on a dark night, in an aluminium tube and getting bombarded by countless error alarms and noises.
@@moafishing5654arm chair pilots, yes.
Plus neither the pilots nor atc knew that atc got wrong altitude data from the aircrafts transponder.
This was 1996, years before air france and other infamous stall incidents and accidents.
The pilots requested a radar reading from the control tower, but the air traffic controller didn't supply that. Was the controller unaware that they were seeing a plane transponder reading, and not a radar reading?
On radar screen data the source of the data should be indicated along with the reading.
52:13 I thought the YT audio changed to the Calm app for a sec
The title makes me wonder, what's with all the plane crashes with guilty passengers
The tragic incident was shocked everyone who worked in the air control room. They did their best giving information but did nothing to save the flight as well all those was in board. It is a heart shaken moment. All those died in the crash let rest in peace.
Were you there? In the air traffic control tower? On the plane? How do you know exactly, precisely, who did what? Stupid commentary 😢
As an avid aviation enthusiast I really feel for these people and their families as well as anyone who dies in this manner
Question 4 you
If pitot tubes or probes were covered before plane even taxing.
How did Pilots rotate without airspeed? How did they know when to level out at cruise height if altitude indicator was blocked?
Why did they only have major issues when in arrival or final approach & no other times.
That tape wasn't put on during the flight. Something strange here
Can't imagine what pilots go through😢😢 can never consider being one. May the victims families find peace
The poor pilots in the first story. How stressful and confusing. Watching these videos I've learned that you NEVER ignore the stick shaker warning and the terrain warning.
Statement that Boeing is responsible for the Aeroperu accident is just absolutely absurd. It is Aeroperu's responsibility to train their mechanics or make sure company they hire to do the maintenance does it work according to regulations. This statement that "manufacturer is responsible to make sure that their product cannot be misused" so fecking stupid. If car owner takes steering wheel off and drives into accident it, the car manufacturer cannot be held responsible for stupidity of a user.
This was a long time ago but it seemed like yesterday. I’m sorry for all your loss.
May they all Rest In Peace 🙏
Still watching from Washington State☔️
Please give me some very subtle music with the opening title. That must you have there doesn't prick emotions at all. From a filmmaker's perspective
As a young marine in 1971 when we washed our C130 we covered those ports.. as part of a pre flight inspection you had to make sure they were clear.. this was not Boeing .. it was the flight crew.
No this was greed by management of the airline!😢
One question was omitted in the Air Transet 236 survivor intervewe. What the heck is going on in the framed photo sitting just behind the lone male passenger? I'm sure the photo was recognized after taping but yet they left it in the final cut. Disturbing.
The airliner is out over the ocean and maintenance is communicating with them on a *HANDHELD* radio? Really???
No way actually watching the 1:08 am part at 1:08 am 😮
The thing that bothers me the most about the AeroPeru accident isn't that they forgot the tape over the Pitot tube, while unfortunate that is a predictable mistake... the thing that I find the most shocking/disturbing is that:
a) Professional pilots didn't know how to fly their plane without airspeed/altitude instruments. Even without the instruments and with conflicting warnings, they should have been able to set the plane to a specific thrust and pitch and know that it would at the very least fly in a level, safe path. The fact that they had the speed brakes on and the engines at idle for so long but were receiving an overspeed warning should have made it obvious that it was an instrument failure in which case they should have focused simply on thrust and pitch to fly. Like the analyst said: fly the plane first, then worry about everything else that is going wrong.
b) Neither the pilots nor the ATC seemed to know that the ATC's airspeed/altitude readings were coming from the plane's instruments. It is completely pointless in asking the ATC for their altitude and airspeed when they are having an instrument malfunction because ATC's readings come from those same instruments. It would be one thing if ATC had an alternative source for determining their air speed/altitude but if it's the same source they should both be aware of that in the event that this type of thing takes place.
It honestly astonishes me the amount of driving I’ve done, and the amount of flights I’ve taken and all the rest of it and I have never once with all honesty the fault of my own been involved in a major car crash I mean I have rolled my car, which really sucks to do stuff like that but I’ve never been involved in a major horrible accident like what I see
This made me anxious. I remember watching another episode with a Captain Ho, idk if it’s Japanese or Chinese pilot he was able to save the passengers and the Hawaiian plane that sucked out a flight stewardess! The planes pilots were amazing. This captain did their very best to save the plane without giving up unfortunately when it’s our time it’s done. God bless their souls 😢
John Nance is a excellent narriator.
Absolutely stellar. I’m so pleased every time I see Nance appear as an analyst or aviation expert in one of these aviation investigation videos. Thank you John, great work. ✈️👍🏻
I know I won’t be going on no plane I know it’s like 1 in a billion for the plane to crash but there’s still that chance that I just wouldn’t want to risk taking
22:40 What confuses me, is how they are even detected on radar this low and far from the airport.
Even the instruments are giving them false alarms. So there’s no hope for saving themselves. Sad
Companies can apparently neglectfully be guilty of manslaughter of hundreds of people, but the courts will take in some cases years to convict somebody of things like theft and burglary
Eric Schreiber algunas veces voló junto con mi primo y en algunas reuniones de familia lo vi. Fue muy lamentable.
That first one, knowing that the pitot tubes were covered due to ground crew attempting to clean the plane, and the tubes being covered by tape and knowing what the crew went through and the loss of life that resulted in this mistake is really sad.
For the AeroPeru, they should have circled the city, at least they could use the city lights as a visual reference, they would be able to see if they are 1000 or 10,000 feet, also how the hell do planes not have basic non-electric instruments, you know sort of like a glass of water taped to the dashboard, the computer can go crazy but a glass of water never lies.
Yes! This is what I say.
A single cluster of analog gauges would be irreplaceable.
But nope got to have this technology beeping in my face 14 different ways.
CRAZY CHIT BRUH‼️✔️☝️
WHY tf would that random stranger on the beach tell the father of one of the passengers on Alaska 261 how horrible it looked and how much they suffered 😢 pretty sure he knows that you don’t need to remind him
Some people have no tact or do not know the etiquette of grievance. I saw a nurse crudely tell a new mother her premature infant was in the morque. I felt very bad for her and said a few kind words to her. My heart sank how she said it. The day before the baby was ok. The lady was asking where her baby was. That was sad.
Thing is .... there is NO magic answer to peoples problems or grieves, they just need to pray , always remember God and take deep breathes !
@@liamscott9496 Pheew . Thanks . Your comment hit me like a Joe Frazier left hook . I know you probably don’t know who that is or was . Lol . But man you wrote a great comment . Take care Joey
@@ronniewoodinsteadofmt2615 yeah, ikr , I need your comment like a fish needs an umbrella dude....!
Kool , try to have a good day . And again thanks for what you wrote . For once someone wrote something refreshing and true . Later .
Totally heart breaking to see Alaska Airlines story
The Issue I have with this scenario is , Always pay Attention to the Terrain warni g. THAT should be the most pertinent Alarm! The Ground is your enemy at that point! If ANY Alarms should have been paid close attention, you would think that Warning would be quite relevant to the current situation?
Playing aircraft flight sim . I did a flight ( before watching this video) at night. While yes the terrain warning is an obvious sign … with the plane ( in the video) having all kinds of issues with its computer ( as they know it) - NOT knowing their altitude but also thinking they are at height due to ATC reading .. that water sneaks up at you at night .. I had my wife cover my altitude and I was nervous as hell under 5k .. but once that terrain warning came , I immediately went nose up
Now that’s just me gaming.. imagine them with all kinds of warnings.
But like a pilot said, go back to basics. Nose up - gain a perspective
With Innocent Passengers ? my brother in christ arent all passengers innocent
May all these lost people have been believers and are now with God
The vfx are so advanced, can’t even tell they’re on a green screen, good look spotting the edge of a mask.
the peruvian crash: don't the people cleaning the airplane have a checklist??? other question: how come the air controller did not know he was reading the speed and altitude info coming from the airplane??? last question: how come the pilots did not react to the yoke shaking? is the shaking a physical reaction or is it a signal sent from the speed and altitude information? .. why did they not go up as it was safer to do so as there is less risk going up in the air than potentially hitting the ground/sea? ..i understand their state of confusion, but with a yoke shaking, isn't that some tangible sign?
Whether legislation needs to evolve in one way and needs to to actually consider murder charges against these mechanics who slack.. is a very pressing question
Alaska saved money by not using grease and by prolonging greasing intervals. That cost them lives and millions of USD. How thoughtful of them!
clearly, the segment on AeroPeru came out prior to 2007.
If there are such strict procedures for the crew to run down their check lists, then why don't they have checklists for standard maintenance procedures such as removing the tape from the sensors? Even if it was "just a mechanic" whatever that means, checking the work, a checklist would have caught the tape that was covering the sensors per "standard procedure."
Love Captain Macleod’s explanation of all the details in the cockpit.
2:24:30 Ask the maintenance superior if the cost of waiting for the correct part, would have been cheaper from the damage caused to the plane and obviously more important the lives of over 300 people? Oh and have him personally apologize to every single passenger, crew and each of their friends and family.
Notice how they think that procedure would save a $50,000,000 and that the plane is more important than the lives.
Pitot tubes still caused problems after this in the new century with Malaysian airlines but no casualties as the pilot glided the plane back to runway.
I see your the latest in a growing list of folks who have downloaded these from the original uploader and posted on your channel.
Even if the investigator did manage to do the job despite being the co-pilot"s uncle, it is completely irresponsible to appoint him to this case.
AeroPeru flight. Even in tiny training aircraft, there is an alternate static air source available. Shouldn’t that be available on heavy transport aircraft? Alternatively, those computer things should be eliminated since tiny trainers provide more reliable airspeed and altitude information without the need for fancy compooter thingys
I don't like to fly. Watching these videos don't help. There is something addictive about them.
How come the tower didn't know they were going off what the plane said for altitude.This was a lack of knowledge that caused this crash
How about a long streamer that hangs down to the ground which is held in place by the same tape that covers the pitot port.
excellent job of pilots in the Alaskan LA crash - WOW, so so realistic 😢😢😢😢 so so 😔
MAY THEY ALL REST IN PEACE 🙏
They still had a windshield to look out of, they wasnt flying totally blind, can they fly a plane without all those instruments, like a cropduster maybe ?
Install a 10$ camera on all the critical parts and display the visual on the cockpit display. The pilot could immediately understand the situation and can make proper prevention measures.
Plane crashes are just the worst, most heartbreaking kind of tragedy.
Im sorry but the last Episod i LOVE how both pilots put their sunglasses on at the same time. I almost looks like a scene from an old Flight commercial! 😅
"Yes and the runways long..." so calm and a kind if smart ass answer.
Que tragedy el control de trafico aereo los ayudo a estrellar dandole informacion erronia. Desde puerto rico grasias po el video.
Why didn’t Air Peru return to the airport?