can scaling reduced on kim is pretty nice, counteracts the light scaling that was introduced in the previous patch. She'll probably remain the same though.
Is it just on cans at the start of a combo? It sounds like it from what mura said, if so it's not gonna make much difference since most can setups involve throw or combos into the can. Hopefully it's not like that, bit gutted she didn't get more since there's a few things I think she needs
@@shaunmcisaac782 I agree with you, this makes sense, but then some characters like Blanka have high mobility and high damage without anywhere near this level of scaling while also having invincible reversal and crmk drive rush etc, I think they should apply this rule to them as well, some characters have zero downsides.
Akuma was probably not the best dummy of choice for a video like this, because it makes everyone's damage output seem 10% stronger than it's going to be for the rest of the cast. There were several points in the video where you were trying to make a point about damage nerfs where I was like "That still seems like a lot..." until I remembered the combos are being performed on Akuma. lol
Former Dhalsim player here: This combo did exist. The buff here is how meter efficient his routes are on punish counter full screen. He no longer has to spend 3 bars of drive gauge to combo into bigger damage, only one bar of drive
@SimoneBellomonte sample size bias. he's the least picked player according to the official website's usage rates. The few people who still play him are cracked at the game. it would be super rare for a new player to pick him.
That small buff put Kimberly back into the 7k club with her max damage. her stun combo being a 7.3k when she's buffed, 7.1k unbuffed. The original nerf came from the fact Izuna (nue twister) scaling was increased to 20% last big patch. so basically they swapped and broke even.
It was bad when you landed a stun and your combo route involved spray can and nue twister 😂 combo just got scaled out of existence. I think they want you to go for resets a lot with Kim, and they're scared a minor tweak to damage could make her way too good somehow.
The Ed nerf was expected but atleast they didn't touch Drive Gauge meter build. Recovering Drive Meter was usually what I want from the dream combo anyway
Bison question If you perfect parry OD Psycho Crusher and then go to punish with a DI, does this still "reopen" the window for him to cancel into Level 3 / CA? I was hoping that bug would be fixed since you cannot normally cancel after a perfect parry.
Dhalsim could always combo hk into fireball but depending on distance. Had to be not too close and not too far to link. The distancing is more generous now
imo after getting alot of experience against Bison, his scissor kicks didnt bother me too much anymore, and i know when i can punish them. IMO, i wish they would have nerfed some of his plus frames in certain situations if anything.
Sim always had punish counter heavy kick into fireball heavy kick. The extra frames should allow him to drive rush into back or crouching heavy punch now tho
This balance patch is a godsend for Team Fighting Spirit in the US SFL. All of a sudden DCQ, Xian and NL have now become monsters with these buffs. Mena and Knukledu's, and team red rooster team have been hit the hardest. Guile is no longer top tier. Gief is no longer top tier. I feel bad for red rooster as they went out their way to procure a gief specialist. Bison is also no longer top tier as his scissor kick no longer skips neutral. Mena , Punk and Knuckledu are in for a world of pain. Fighting spirit's gonna be leaving bodies all over the place with JP, Luke and Deejay now being top tier and they have a specialist main in the big winners of this patch.
That Chun change to her anti-air is great, being minus after a "successful" anti-air is not great but at least it doesn't cost you health. I understand that pain completely because it's very similar to the reason why people misunderstood the change to Guile's F+HK (UDK) knocking down and back on counter hit against airborne opponents. I saw a lot of people testing the change after the patch by trying to anti-air with it, it is terrible as an anti-air as the hitbox above Guile's leg basically doesn't exist but it has a great hitbox below it. So why the change then? There are some moves, like Chun F+HK, Ryu's F+HK, even UDK itself, etc. that beat lows and throws. They are airborne for a few frames before they become active. If you counter hit those during the airborne frames with UDK before S2 you got a weird air reset with the opponent recovering almost instantly due to being almost on the ground already and so Guile would be like -15 with the opponent very close to him. It was rare people had the awareness to actually get that punish but if they did...it was a full max damage punish on Guile for landing a counter hit. Very niche case, but would have been devastating to UDK once people figured it out if Capcom hadn't fixed it.
Honestly I hate the Chun change. YOU SHOULD GET BLOWN UP FOR SCREWING UP. It is on you as a player to understand your own characters tools. This game coddles you too much for poor spacing timing whatever. Nothing ever drops like an old game where sloppy timing or spacing resulted in you being countered.
@@shaunmcisaac782 No, sorry, you're way off base here. If Tensho kicks were a single hit, (like a normal Shoryuken for example), instead of several we wouldn't be having this conversation because there would be no such thing as a partial connect. It's clearly not intended to fall out and it is completely unreasonable to expect people to count pixels while their opponent is mid-jump. You saw how difficult it was to replicate in the video when trying to get the fall out intentionally. Same thing with UDK I talked about as well, this is not coddling, it's an oversight on Capcom's part and understandably so because the issues with these two moves are fairly rare. In both of these cases the player DIDN'T mess up, they didn't whiff, they didn't get blocked, the opponent recovered way faster than intended because of a rare interaction. Plus, if you land a counter hit and lose 60% for it, I guarantee the ALL CAPS portion of your rant will be replaced with something about "Capcom's insane incompetence" rather than it being your fault in some way. This was certainly my feeling when I landed counter hit UDK into a loss. Though I do promise that if/when this happens to your character I will support fixing that too.
Bison needs more of a nerf, he does way too much damage, his drive rush is way too fast and everything he does is pretty much on block. Zangief nerf was necessary and fair. There is absolutely No reason why ed or rashid should be building any meter while their level 2 is out and active. They need to shut that down .Overall the top characters stayed top still
zangief nerf on knee is warranted but not the headbutt;it's a friggin heavy button other character got busted heavy button but no dmg scaling this is bs
Thank God they reverted that braindead nerf to JP's c HP that single handed made me drop the character. Having no consistent antiair at many ranges felt miserable.
Not sure why Mura is so triggered by it. Jumping in on JP was basically free in S2. It was unfun to play as JP having to hard read jumps to have a chance. Combined with these other buffs, JP might actually be in a good, but fair, spot right now. We'll see how it plays out.
It's funny, the jp nerf led to me learning to fit in his 6hk anti air which combos and leveled me up a bit. So I got something from that nerf and it's gone now, win win for me.
These seem fine but I do hope the next major balance patch is more meaningful, especially for lower tier characters like Sim, Jamie, Manon, Marisa, etc. I'd make Sim's
@@Arctanis-vt3hl I don't know about "unplayable" - lots of the pros think he is the best character right now! But I agree that Lariat should cover cross-up.
@@rexflores8461 Just Google Street Fighter 6 Winrates or Street Fighter Battle Diagrams, you can even look at the other ranks data and it even shows Modern characters winrates, every character in the game has worse winrate except for Chun-Li which has very slightly higher winrate compared to Classic Chun. Also technically speaking the data shows average MU winrates, it doesnt take character popularity into account, which is actually a good thing, so if you have trouble against a very popular character, you can practice with 1 of their counters. Theres also a guy called CatCammy i believe who used to post data like this be4 Capcom even put up the website. Thats all the information i know and have man. 👍 After looking at the official data and seeing the huge discrepancy between it and the pros tier lists, i basically said "ok screw it", why should i believe the opinion of some guy (although with good understanding of the game, definitely) when i can just look at 100% accurate data that depicts a totally different story? This game is very insanely well-balanced rn, even dota 2 which is famous for its good balance doesnt nearly come close to this level, i can only praise crapcom for its genius design of the Drive System and character balance. 🗿
It's really strange how they ignore the bottom 5 characters. These changes look fine to me but why only constantly tweak the top 10 or so characters while the low tiers are completely ignored? Doesn't affect me as I play Akuma but I would like to see more Jaime or Manon in tournaments
I love Manon's aesthetically but her kit is a mess - try playing her in modern some time and you'll really see it. But even in classic she can't really do the dishonest things SF6 wants you to do. You can DRC on block into command grab and... that's it. Which is cool with five medals and meh with one. And you still die if they jump.
Xian / Zhen / Smug gonna be working with the new Dee Jay buff. Other notable former Dee Jay players probably don't have the reason to come back (Fuudo, Yamaguchi, ....)
I think the gief nerfs are perfect fair aslong as they make his anti air hit cross up and give him a level 1 that hits people on the ground and is 10f start up, since we making the hardest character to get in on somebody in the game the least amount of damage.
Don’t take my word for it, but there’s a hidden buff that his jumping headbutt hitbox got buffed. Can now work on crouching characters and you don’t have to microwalk in corner after level 2 to hit it.
I don't think many Kimberly players start combos with can it's nearly impossible. If it scales less during combos that's good but if not it's a nearly useless buff
Its an odd patch. For better or worse: Capcom's philosophy for these mid season patches seems to be focusing on minor bug fixes, unintended consequences, and extreme outliers. Basically these aren't major rewrites to the character's or their toolkits...just a few editorial notes to round out some rough edges. ....or at least I would say that but then you have some characters getting some pretty major retunning like dhalsim so....I don't know...I'm not really sure what their thought process is TBH. I'm just gonna keep grinding away with Jamie and my fraud Ryu.
It was, just because it was hard doesnt excuse it, it was BS. Why did he get so much Super for an insanely scaled combo? It was basically legalized cheating lol. 😂
I think Jamie's lack of tournament presence makes complete sense. He's not even the worst character in the game, but he's a jack of all trades. So you're not going to win consistently through the strength of your character and you're not going to get free wins because you play a grappler and get 3 lucky grabs or play another low tier like sim and get your occasional 7:3 match-ups. For a character that needs to drink to get better most of the time players at the tippy top just choose oki all the time over getting another drink which is not what you want to see.
Jamie is really good. Most of you just suck at using him. It’s NOT the character it’s the player. But most of you blame the character instead of yourself. Get better ❤️🩹.
I guess no, Luke still a T2 character after these minor buffs, they do not change major flaws of Luke in S2--If Luke need high damage, his resource hungry 5HP still the way to go After all his ground game still inferior compare with Ryu
Sup Mura! It says Terry instead of Luke at the first segment, fyi. Kinda harsh to punish Gief (even though i like the changes because both headbutt and knee where obnoxious) with cammy ken and rashid not getting any nerfs again. Capcom really has such a clear vision. They will never ever let a grappler be anywhere close to good. Imo Gief jumped from low tier to high mid tier and banggg immediately reverted. If Gief (or Manon or Lilly) is the tenth best character in the game at any point, the nerfs will rain down soon after
JP's 2hp anti air buff at the very least, is the right buff he needed. Ryusei & Acqua get wrecked in SFL trying to use JP, their opponent just need to jump to win
Gief headbutt damage wasn't the problem tho, it was the gauge chip and plus frames, I felt like keeping the damage the same but just nerfing the chip and frame advantage on headbutt would be much more appropriate.
Zangief damage was very high coz he has no tools in the neutral. Now he has even less tools and less damage. Just give him the green hand so he can play the neutral.
what a disgrace of update. imagine nerfing bison in a game where Cammy, DJ and ken exist. and now Terry, the character feels waaaaaaay too overtuned. capcom should fire all employees and hire actual game developers.
Idk what they are thinking honestly. It's like they went full blown nrs patch aka not caring. Top tiers not nerfed luke jp buffed. My main overly nerfed. This game is heavy on the p2w thing already... this patch was very poorly received
They clearly hate grapplers with all the decision they have made to make them harder and less fun to use then in any other fighting game. I bet his lariat STILL doesnt punish crossups.
Never used Knee, its "press button and die" move. But i have mix feelings with Headbutt. +8 on hit is great, because hellstab into lvl2 is wonky on the heat of the battle, but the damage scalling is moronic, to say the least.
So happy about the JP buff to crouching Hp. I picked up the game during season 2 and I’m in Diamond rank. It has been so difficult to beat Akuma and Bison with all of their air options without a consistent anti air
According to Acqua, it's better for JP to just do air to air against character that has jump arc changing move (Akuma notably). Akuma also has less health, so air to air is not so bad in term of damage.
Oh my god luke is top tier once again. And guile has been nerfed hard. NOAHTHEPRODIGY will now beat the shit out of knuckledu. Poor Mena. All that work with gief only to have to go back to luke. Plus Deejay is now top tier again. Seems like Capcom wants too see Mena dead.
Looks like every balance patch is a sad day for Manon mains
Wdym we can make everyone dance (Dance for me 🎵)
Capcom has some clear favorites XD
@sanjaikp24 I wish she said that at every level it's hilarious
Manon is way too easy to be cheesy
by design she will be bottom tier for the life of the game
Can't believe they STILL haven't nerfed Rashid's level 2.
Edit: Readers beware! Rashid mains are emptying their diapers in the comments below.
Lol parry baby followed back tech lol
They did nerf it, the same nerf ed just got for his level 2
they should buff it, lame ass lvl2
There’s nothing wrong with it. Getgud 😊
@@pbjandahighfive Cry about it
More drive rush low forward buffs..
The buttons that actually need nerfed to kill the unga they end up buffing 😂
Bisons double bomb was already pretty hard to land in a real match, so no real loss there tbh. my scissors tho....
can scaling reduced on kim is pretty nice, counteracts the light scaling that was introduced in the previous patch. She'll probably remain the same though.
Is it just on cans at the start of a combo?
It sounds like it from what mura said, if so it's not gonna make much difference since most can setups involve throw or combos into the can. Hopefully it's not like that, bit gutted she didn't get more since there's a few things I think she needs
9 times out of 10 cans are blocked, so this buff is garbago beans.
Characters with that much mobility shouldn't also have high damage. If I want Cammy Fighter Five I can reinstall it.
@@shaunmcisaac782 I agree with you, this makes sense, but then some characters like Blanka have high mobility and high damage without anywhere near this level of scaling while also having invincible reversal and crmk drive rush etc, I think they should apply this rule to them as well, some characters have zero downsides.
Thanks for getting straight to the point.
We out here buffing already strong characters and Jamie still has no meaningful buffs other than throw drink.
Akuma was probably not the best dummy of choice for a video like this, because it makes everyone's damage output seem 10% stronger than it's going to be for the rest of the cast. There were several points in the video where you were trying to make a point about damage nerfs where I was like "That still seems like a lot..." until I remembered the combos are being performed on Akuma. lol
Former Dhalsim player here: This combo did exist. The buff here is how meter efficient his routes are on punish counter full screen. He no longer has to spend 3 bars of drive gauge to combo into bigger damage, only one bar of drive
You can teleport after HK punish counter and combo
@@laffy7204 Why buff Dhalsim when hes like Top 1-2 or 3 characters in the game according to the official Websites winrates?
@@SimoneBellomonteit might be because its very hard to learn how to fight him for the average person
@SimoneBellomonte sample size bias. he's the least picked player according to the official website's usage rates. The few people who still play him are cracked at the game. it would be super rare for a new player to pick him.
@@SimoneBellomontebecause winrates don't tell the full picture.
I'm so ready
Psyloke Chunli caught me off guard 😮
Was waiting for this, thank you
That small buff put Kimberly back into the 7k club with her max damage. her stun combo being a 7.3k when she's buffed, 7.1k unbuffed. The original nerf came from the fact Izuna (nue twister) scaling was increased to 20% last big patch. so basically they swapped and broke even.
It was bad when you landed a stun and your combo route involved spray can and nue twister 😂 combo just got scaled out of existence. I think they want you to go for resets a lot with Kim, and they're scared a minor tweak to damage could make her way too good somehow.
Wtf is going on with capcom
Check the edit on Chun-Li on this video. Is it supposed to cut into Guile like that??
No but for some reason YT decided to copyright that very specific part of the Sakura theme so its cut 🤦
The Ed nerf was expected but atleast they didn't touch Drive Gauge meter build. Recovering Drive Meter was usually what I want from the dream combo anyway
Thanks for the info, your take on it, & showing examples.Good vid.
I main Manon... Have a nice day everyone hope y'all have fun.
Bison question
If you perfect parry OD Psycho Crusher and then go to punish with a DI, does this still "reopen" the window for him to cancel into Level 3 / CA?
I was hoping that bug would be fixed since you cannot normally cancel after a perfect parry.
I would have to check that again
Dhalsim could always combo hk into fireball but depending on distance. Had to be not too close and not too far to link. The distancing is more generous now
imo after getting alot of experience against Bison, his scissor kicks didnt bother me too much anymore, and i know when i can punish them. IMO, i wish they would have nerfed some of his plus frames in certain situations if anything.
A big round of applause for that Bison nerf.
Thank u bro for the video 🤍🤍
Sim always had punish counter heavy kick into fireball heavy kick. The extra frames should allow him to drive rush into back or crouching heavy punch now tho
This balance patch is a godsend for Team Fighting Spirit in the US SFL. All of a sudden DCQ, Xian and NL have now become monsters with these buffs. Mena and Knukledu's, and team red rooster team have been hit the hardest. Guile is no longer top tier. Gief is no longer top tier. I feel bad for red rooster as they went out their way to procure a gief specialist. Bison is also no longer top tier as his scissor kick no longer skips neutral. Mena , Punk and Knuckledu are in for a world of pain. Fighting spirit's gonna be leaving bodies all over the place with JP, Luke and Deejay now being top tier and they have a specialist main in the big winners of this patch.
Pretty sure JP's st mk into spike was not a combo before, so you are right.
Thank you for the timely patch overview, not at my setup for a couple days and I've been itching to see the changes
So glad I stopped playing this game. I can't believe they think Lily is fine.
That Chun change to her anti-air is great, being minus after a "successful" anti-air is not great but at least it doesn't cost you health. I understand that pain completely because it's very similar to the reason why people misunderstood the change to Guile's F+HK (UDK) knocking down and back on counter hit against airborne opponents. I saw a lot of people testing the change after the patch by trying to anti-air with it, it is terrible as an anti-air as the hitbox above Guile's leg basically doesn't exist but it has a great hitbox below it. So why the change then?
There are some moves, like Chun F+HK, Ryu's F+HK, even UDK itself, etc. that beat lows and throws. They are airborne for a few frames before they become active. If you counter hit those during the airborne frames with UDK before S2 you got a weird air reset with the opponent recovering almost instantly due to being almost on the ground already and so Guile would be like -15 with the opponent very close to him. It was rare people had the awareness to actually get that punish but if they did...it was a full max damage punish on Guile for landing a counter hit. Very niche case, but would have been devastating to UDK once people figured it out if Capcom hadn't fixed it.
Honestly I hate the Chun change.
YOU SHOULD GET BLOWN UP FOR SCREWING UP. It is on you as a player to understand your own characters tools. This game coddles you too much for poor spacing timing whatever. Nothing ever drops like an old game where sloppy timing or spacing resulted in you being countered.
@@shaunmcisaac782 No, sorry, you're way off base here. If Tensho kicks were a single hit, (like a normal Shoryuken for example), instead of several we wouldn't be having this conversation because there would be no such thing as a partial connect. It's clearly not intended to fall out and it is completely unreasonable to expect people to count pixels while their opponent is mid-jump. You saw how difficult it was to replicate in the video when trying to get the fall out intentionally. Same thing with UDK I talked about as well, this is not coddling, it's an oversight on Capcom's part and understandably so because the issues with these two moves are fairly rare. In both of these cases the player DIDN'T mess up, they didn't whiff, they didn't get blocked, the opponent recovered way faster than intended because of a rare interaction.
Plus, if you land a counter hit and lose 60% for it, I guarantee the ALL CAPS portion of your rant will be replaced with something about "Capcom's insane incompetence" rather than it being your fault in some way. This was certainly my feeling when I landed counter hit UDK into a loss. Though I do promise that if/when this happens to your character I will support fixing that too.
as a JP main that is also a rush down fighter with him. this tickles my pickle alot.
No Manon changes :/ capcom hates this character
Manon is super OP why are u complaining
just play her on modern and u will win 90 percent of matches with her OP one button grabs
@@shirishvogga6046 love the skewed risk reward of me building medals vs my opponent holing up erroneously, and deleting 30%+ of my health bar.
Bison needs more of a nerf, he does way too much damage, his drive rush is way too fast and everything he does is pretty much on block. Zangief nerf was necessary and fair. There is absolutely
No reason why ed or rashid should be building any meter while their level 2 is out and active. They need to shut that down .Overall the top characters stayed top still
zangief nerf on knee is warranted but not the headbutt;it's a friggin heavy button other character got busted heavy button but no dmg scaling this is bs
Thank God they reverted that braindead nerf to JP's c HP that single handed made me drop the character. Having no consistent antiair at many ranges felt miserable.
yup, JP is now braindead again.
I’m not a fake JP main unlike y’all I stuck with it & adapted. Now I’m back to scaring ppl from jumping. Easy road back to 2200 MR for me
Lmao idk you must be doing it wrong becuse jp be anti airing the breaks off me
Yeah he deserves a one button dp 🙄
Not sure why Mura is so triggered by it. Jumping in on JP was basically free in S2. It was unfun to play as JP having to hard read jumps to have a chance. Combined with these other buffs, JP might actually be in a good, but fair, spot right now. We'll see how it plays out.
Imagine the thumbnail of this video pre-season 2
It's funny, the jp nerf led to me learning to fit in his 6hk anti air which combos and leveled me up a bit. So I got something from that nerf and it's gone now, win win for me.
Zang can combo headbutt into c. mp now, so higher damage output in lvl 3 links
But more scaling, so less damage whatever combo you do
But defense still sucks, so he's trash.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl bison confirmed trash
Ed midair combos with HK midair weree fairly easy since launch
Here i was extremely happy not seeing jp in ranked guess im bout to have nightmares again this season
These seem fine but I do hope the next major balance patch is more meaningful, especially for lower tier characters like Sim, Jamie, Manon, Marisa, etc. I'd make Sim's
THey also really needed to give Zangief some defense. He's unplayable due to lack of Lariat crossover protection and no OD wakeup move.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl I don't know about "unplayable" - lots of the pros think he is the best character right now! But I agree that Lariat should cover cross-up.
I really wish they would buff Manon 😢
I don't even care about buffs at this point just changes,just so she'd feel refreshing to play.
Zangief headbutt is also +8 now, which means crMP will hit, making SA2 combos far easier. Not sure if that opens up anything else.
This is the double down by capcom. They want top tiers to be stupid, and low tier can suck it
Isn't the conclussion to reach that this patch was minor rather than what u just said?
By your logic, if I wear Jordan’s I can be like Mike….. Stop 🛑 crying and get better ❤️🩹.
Im looking at the Master-Rank winrates and theres nothing even remotely describing of what youre talking about. 😂
@@SimoneBellomontewhere can you see this
@@rexflores8461 Just Google Street Fighter 6 Winrates or Street Fighter Battle Diagrams, you can even look at the other ranks data and it even shows Modern characters winrates, every character in the game has worse winrate except for Chun-Li which has very slightly higher winrate compared to Classic Chun.
Also technically speaking the data shows average MU winrates, it doesnt take character popularity into account, which is actually a good thing, so if you have trouble against a very popular character, you can practice with 1 of their counters.
Theres also a guy called CatCammy i believe who used to post data like this be4 Capcom even put up the website. Thats all the information i know and have man. 👍
After looking at the official data and seeing the huge discrepancy between it and the pros tier lists, i basically said "ok screw it", why should i believe the opinion of some guy (although with good understanding of the game, definitely) when i can just look at 100% accurate data that depicts a totally different story?
This game is very insanely well-balanced rn, even dota 2 which is famous for its good balance doesnt nearly come close to this level, i can only praise crapcom for its genius design of the Drive System and character balance. 🗿
Woulda loved a change to Jamie; not that’s he’s a problem, but a new thing woulda been cool
It's really strange how they ignore the bottom 5 characters. These changes look fine to me but why only constantly tweak the top 10 or so characters while the low tiers are completely ignored? Doesn't affect me as I play Akuma but I would like to see more Jaime or Manon in tournaments
I love Manon's aesthetically but her kit is a mess - try playing her in modern some time and you'll really see it. But even in classic she can't really do the dishonest things SF6 wants you to do. You can DRC on block into command grab and... that's it. Which is cool with five medals and meh with one. And you still die if they jump.
Xian / Zhen / Smug gonna be working with the new Dee Jay buff. Other notable former Dee Jay players probably don't have the reason to come back (Fuudo, Yamaguchi, ....)
Another good day to be an Akuma main. His low health means he doesn't need nerfs 😉
yet
idk I'm an Akuma main and I think he needs a nerf with his corner game. I know I'm getting a w when I get my opponent to the corner
@@YunisRajab if that happens he will be useless
@@YunisRajab Problem with nerfing Akuma is that you only need 2 interactions + lvl3 to kill him with most characters.
@@xentarlion1203 LIFE ON THE EDGE
Meanwhile, Ken remains stupidly overpowered, and Manon is still lost in the gutter.
Every victory against Ken is earned lol
Plus no changes to Lily
Ken is not even top 5
@@renattus I’m a Ryu main. It’s earned lol
@@renattus Ken is easily top 3, losing only to Rashid and Akuma
Hey can anyone do perform akuma ashura senku/oboro throw because I can’t. before the update I could perform the throw but now I can’t
I think the gief nerfs are perfect fair aslong as they make his anti air hit cross up and give him a level 1 that hits people on the ground and is 10f start up, since we making the hardest character to get in on somebody in the game the least amount of damage.
Don’t take my word for it, but there’s a hidden buff that his jumping headbutt hitbox got buffed. Can now work on crouching characters and you don’t have to microwalk in corner after level 2 to hit it.
Least amount of damage? Dhalsim, kimberly, even juri and cammy to an extend have less damage than gief.
So sim now is the only chr in the game who can do grey dmg? That seems like such an odd change
Its a throw back to his SFV VT1
@@MCMuraFGC i mean thats cool. Still seems weird, unless down the road they are going to start changing more stuff to bring the grey dmg back.
Lol. Nerf gief damage meanwhile akuma…. Guess I can go back to jp since they were so nice to return our anti air
0 buffs to Jamie and Manon.
Jp and Deejay got buffed.
Ken literally untouched.
Just sayin'
You got your buff when you got free drink off grab lol
jamie and manon players on suicide watch
JP and Deejay got insane nerfs back in May. This patch they got like 1 or 2 slight buffs that aren't game changing at all
I want that chun li mod!! Stunning ❤
Why nerf grapplers when Rashid lvl 2 still does what it does💀
They hate grapplers... its clear from day one that they despise grapplers.
Bottom tiers get nothing, everyone else gets buffs. Sorry Jamie, Manon and Marisa mains. Unlikely to ever change.
And Zangief. Still no defensive options.
I don't think many Kimberly players start combos with can it's nearly impossible. If it scales less during combos that's good but if not it's a nearly useless buff
3:08 THANK GOD
Its an odd patch. For better or worse: Capcom's philosophy for these mid season patches seems to be focusing on minor bug fixes, unintended consequences, and extreme outliers. Basically these aren't major rewrites to the character's or their toolkits...just a few editorial notes to round out some rough edges.
....or at least I would say that but then you have some characters getting some pretty major retunning like dhalsim so....I don't know...I'm not really sure what their thought process is TBH. I'm just gonna keep grinding away with Jamie and my fraud Ryu.
Dhsim changes are really minor. Like, when are you gonna do yoga inferno for grey life on block?
the guile nerf really wasnt needed, thats a execution combo of what 25 hits your doing manually, idk
It was, just because it was hard doesnt excuse it, it was BS.
Why did he get so much Super for an insanely scaled combo? It was basically legalized cheating lol. 😂
That's a cold comfort when someone is landing it on you and building back what they spent!
Bison also lost range on his Drive Reversal. I’m turning into M. Bogard 😤.
Feels like that's more of a bug fix tbh
Bison's Drive Reversal was broken or bugged. Couldn't punish it unlike with others.
I see a patron here xD😂
Now Ed vs Rashid more even lvl 2 shenanigans
I was hoping they would change the previous LP punch to only scale if it's from Drive Rush
New Miura video 👍.
The youtube caption saying Luke is Terry 😂...that is not okaaay 😅
Adjusted thanks
Jamie. Popular character but zero buffs, zero tournament presence. Forever bottom tier. =(
I think Jamie's lack of tournament presence makes complete sense. He's not even the worst character in the game, but he's a jack of all trades. So you're not going to win consistently through the strength of your character and you're not going to get free wins because you play a grappler and get 3 lucky grabs or play another low tier like sim and get your occasional 7:3 match-ups.
For a character that needs to drink to get better most of the time players at the tippy top just choose oki all the time over getting another drink which is not what you want to see.
Jamie is no where near a jack of all trades lol
@@juice6521how the fuck is he a jack of all trades with no fireball.
@@Eskimofo13That's like the only thing he doesn't have tbh lol
Jamie is really good. Most of you just suck at using him. It’s NOT the character it’s the player. But most of you blame the character instead of yourself. Get better ❤️🩹.
Interesting Psylocke skin, Munra
The head part isn't even proper and idk why 🙃
My A.K.I was untouched lalallalallalalalalallalalalalalalala prepare yourself to get a billion of damage
Input the Bison memes of YES!! Yes!!! YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!
I wonder if Luke's buff is enough to convince Kusanagi comes back to Luke ...
Lmao, everybody else is worried about themselves and this fool is worried about frog legs lmao
I guess no, Luke still a T2 character after these minor buffs, they do not change major flaws of Luke in S2--If Luke need high damage, his resource hungry 5HP still the way to go
After all his ground game still inferior compare with Ryu
I hope not.
Can't believe gief got nerfed....because you know he wins all turns. Oh wait....
Out of all characters to nerf it had to be zangief woow ok capcom
Marisa ain't getting buffed just straight up made her the most useless character they always gotta kill my characters😢
Has she been touched at all since the game can out?
I'm happy you used Akuma as your training dummy. I was tired of seeing Ryu being everyone's punching bag 😂
Does anyone remember Honda?
I do
Sup Mura! It says Terry instead of Luke at the first segment, fyi. Kinda harsh to punish Gief (even though i like the changes because both headbutt and knee where obnoxious) with cammy ken and rashid not getting any nerfs again.
Capcom really has such a clear vision. They will never ever let a grappler be anywhere close to good. Imo Gief jumped from low tier to high mid tier and banggg immediately reverted. If Gief (or Manon or Lilly) is the tenth best character in the game at any point, the nerfs will rain down soon after
Arc Sys snuck into Capcom and did this nothing burger patch.
JP's 2hp anti air buff at the very least, is the right buff he needed. Ryusei & Acqua get wrecked in SFL trying to use JP, their opponent just need to jump to win
Lily continues to be ignored
So Zangief still sucks because his lariat is still trash and still doesn't have a wake up OD move? terrible.
The Rashid changes are wrong. The button they nerfed was crunching light punch
The weird thing is, i am fairly certain this exact same note was in one of the previous patches so idk
No Manon buff sadge
Still no buff for Chun Li? For a very complex character with little reward, this is very unfortunate
The Luke change was to light punch tc not medium punch tc
The removal of scaling yes, i made a mistake reading that one
Where is E. Honda at...
Gief headbutt damage wasn't the problem tho, it was the gauge chip and plus frames, I felt like keeping the damage the same but just nerfing the chip and frame advantage on headbutt would be much more appropriate.
They need to buff his defense, not his offense. Lariat still doesn't protect against crossovers, and he has no wakeup OD move to protect against oki.
Zangief damage was very high coz he has no tools in the neutral. Now he has even less tools and less damage. Just give him the green hand so he can play the neutral.
Isn’t his barrel roll kick the equivalent? It goes over fireballs and can land a hit.
@@morganbrown392
The overhead kick is easily DI reactable
which version of green hand? in 4 it was just used for oki and red focus combos iirc. What would it do in this game? just delete fireballs?
@@morganbrown392lol no it does not go through fireballs
@morganbrown392 That kick does not goes through fireball.
what a disgrace of update. imagine nerfing bison in a game where Cammy, DJ and ken exist. and now Terry, the character feels waaaaaaay too overtuned. capcom should fire all employees and hire actual game developers.
DeeJay became more fun to use...
I still miss the knee...
Idk what they are thinking honestly. It's like they went full blown nrs patch aka not caring. Top tiers not nerfed luke jp buffed. My main overly nerfed. This game is heavy on the p2w thing already... this patch was very poorly received
No changes to Honda, when Terry has a no charge headbut that can be positive on block... All is fair !
Best street fighter patch breakdowns on the internet. Rooflemonger who?
As an Ed main, I’m fine with this. I never did that combo anyway 😂😂
Why Capcom only listen to grappler haters?Lets buff luke who dont need it..Lets nerf gief just cause..Lets leave Rashid as is
They clearly hate grapplers with all the decision they have made to make them harder and less fun to use then in any other fighting game. I bet his lariat STILL doesnt punish crossups.
Not the coomer skin on Chun Li broooo XDD
I was so happy reading Jp's buffs
Tbh i hate fighting gief but nerfing his damage is kinda bad, he already has low combo damage route
He was already bad, they somehow made him even lower tier. He has no defense.
Buddy, Gief can absolutely melt your life away with just two reads, stop.
@@PSNDarkSouLfacts especially ones that love to empty jump with lvl3/CA on deck. 😂
Nah geifs knee is horrible.. the hurtbox is horrible now....
Never used Knee, its "press button and die" move. But i have mix feelings with Headbutt. +8 on hit is great, because hellstab into lvl2 is wonky on the heat of the battle, but the damage scalling is moronic, to say the least.
@@projectikarugaanyone who calls knee bad trusts Siberian lab too much lol
@@cosmic5665 Well, in my experience, i never managed to use it correctly. And i'm a Master Gief with over 6000 matches, lol
Knee is amazing when you see you opponent going for a lot of low forward kicks
@@projectikaruga let me guess sub 1400 MR?
Lily pain and suffering: the game
So happy about the JP buff to crouching Hp. I picked up the game during season 2 and I’m in Diamond rank. It has been so difficult to beat Akuma and Bison with all of their air options without a consistent anti air
According to Acqua, it's better for JP to just do air to air against character that has jump arc changing move (Akuma notably). Akuma also has less health, so air to air is not so bad in term of damage.
Oh my god luke is top tier once again. And guile has been nerfed hard. NOAHTHEPRODIGY will now beat the shit out of knuckledu. Poor Mena. All that work with gief only to have to go back to luke. Plus Deejay is now top tier again. Seems like Capcom wants too see Mena dead.
Yooo, I’ve been saying this. This looks a littlw sus, ngl.
All the food Mena eats will do him in before Capcom does
Why Mena going back to Luke a bad thing! He won a CPT cause of him.
Noah fkn sucks lmao
@@akilcharles3473because mena has a hype gief
Marisa mains: 😔
Pain