Pilot Refuses to Declare Mayday
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- This is why words matter when talking with ATC
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Filling out paperwork after an inflight emergency is actually extremely enjoyable for the simple reason that you are still capable of filling out paperwork.
“I’m in so much trouble - this is great! 😅” - Alive guy/gal
that is a great way of looking at it
There’s almost no paperwork to speak of unless the NTSB wants to know something from you. If you have an emergency declare the effin mayday
Idk. I don’t enjoy it. Had to do it a few times.
and also u still get paid for filing the paper?
Kelsey's reactions ~
Running out of fuel: "Meh, I got this..."
Running out snacks: "WE'RE ALL GONNAH STARVE TO DEATH!!!" 🤣🤣🤣
"Miss, are you absolutely telling us the truth?" "Well, no sir. We've also run out of coffee."
@@sct913
loss of snacks is not as serious as no coffee!
😂😂😂😂😂
Why not declare emergency?
Kudos to this pilot for not parachuting out with fire extinguishers strapped to his ankles.
If it works, is it a dumb idea? 😅
🤣🤣 Great comment. that dude got what he wanted, someone to pay attention to him!
Released June 12 this year (2024)
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@@Wolf-Spirit_Alpha-Sigmaif by "worked" you mean "jail", sure...
Wise words at the end not just for pilots but anyone facing seemingly lost causes in life
I love how Kelsey talks so frankly about all the things did wrong, but also the thing the pilot did RIGHT - fly it right down the whole way and your chances go up to survive
I have to commend Kelsey and whoever puts these videos together for the lack of "cuts" in the video. Perhaps it because he can talk for 10 minutes without taking a breath or perhaps its skillful editing, but I find the lack if distracting cuts makes these videos easy to watch. His videos are probably smoother than some of his early landings (by his own admission).
agreed, most people have attention spans longer than the average tiktok user
Second worst thing after having a fire on board, having no snacks. I love it! 😂
I really do wish one of these days Kelsey would have the opportunity to talk to one of the pilots involved in such things, so we can learn and hear from them directly what they were thinking, and hear them respond to Kelsey's comments.
Like wouldn't this be a great interview for this channel?
Great idea!
I'm a yacht Captain and I am right there with you. Fire is the danger! Run out of fuel OK, glide best you can to safety. I run out of fuel kill time fishing because we are floating fine, call a tow and drift.
Running out of fuel is so rare it's laughable. My only time was a mechanical issue. We had fuel, were at roughly half on each tank. We had topped off in Mexico and got dirty diesel. Both fuel filters completely clogged. Besides MY checklist, I now walk with any crew member that has a checklist. ZERO SPARE FILTERS and we needed at least two
Not to be a D but you can't really compare running out of fuel on a boat (sorry, YACHT) with running out of fuel in an airplane. You can't call another plane to tow you in or give you more fuel. You can't float around at 35k feet drinking cold snacks for however many hours it takes for help to arrive.
If you run your boat out of fuel in a storm, ok that could be an emergency, but otherwise it's not remotely comparable.
@@toddsmith8608 amen.. I'm water and can't fall lower unless I sink
@@toddsmith8608 read next time rather than go off. Fire, is the danger in both circumstances. Either craft..you are screwed
Clogged filter in bad weather made for an interesting channel crossing. Luckily we got the engine running in time to pick up a mooring in the harbour, there wasn't a lot of shelter.
I so love your videos. What I learn from you is astounding. The fact that you always talk about accountability is refreshing in this time. Thank you for what you do. Today's lesson, take accountability and never give up.
Nice ☮
11:00 - show the Gimli Glider! Show the Gimli Glider! Awe, come on Kelsey!
Ikr? It's just begging for the glider at this point.
Mentour Pilot has surely made a video on that one.
Your videos are so Informative Kelsey! I’m a private pilot in FL. Been following you since you started. Keep it up!!!
ran my rotax low on fuel on a flight to the Sutter Buttes one day, same scenario, exposed the inlet to air, killed the engine 200 feet above the ground, 1 st rule of flying, fly the aircraft, dont panic, greased a mountain top emergency landing.
Thanks for that so relevant piece of info that you “greased it”. We are so very impressed 🙄 . In an emergency, or even normal operations in, i.e., gusty conditions, short/ contaminated runway etc., “greasing” on a landing is the last thing anyone should consider
Many years ago,I owned two VW rabbit convertibles, if you ran out of fuel, you toasted the fuel pump,which was cooled by fuel pass thru. Expensive mistake. Unfortunately I did the dastardly deed, (twice) lesson finally learned.
I think most fuel pumps are liquid cooled.
Generally if you don't try to restart the car you should mostly be fine.
Maybe modern ECUs shut off the fuel pump automatically in a case of fuel starvation.
Ford uses a cup around the fuel pump and the return fuel from the engine fills it. That keeps the pump submerged and cool even when you run out of fuel. It wasn't always that way but sometime around the late 80s they started doing that. We ran a 96 T Bird out of fuel and barely made it to the pump. It took a few miles to get all the air burped out of the system but the fuel pump was fine.
I wonder how someone whose full-time job is eating snacks and snatching free breakfast at hotels can be so skinny
“Don’t be a quitter.” Absolutely, GD right.
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Great video, once again Kelsey. Another example of situational awareness and maintaining clear comms.
Aviate, navigate, communicate? Nah.
1. Fire
2. Snacks
3. Fuel
Priorities....
What the hell was this pilot thinking. Declare Mayday fuel. Don't wait until you're out. This is very poor planning
Many moons ago when I was working at our local FBO I was inside doing some paperwork when I spotted this guy walking across midfield. He comes inside and asked if he could use the phone. I said sure then asked him where he came from. Cool as a cucumber he says I ran out of gas. Sure enough he dead sticked in, hit the chain link property fence and bounced about thirty yards and ended up dead on the centerline of the runway. Belly up I don't know if he forgot the gear or if the fence ripped it off but otherwise the plane was in pretty good shape. Just one of several planes that didn't make it in. We're exactly halfway between south Florida and New York. Stronger than forecast winds did a lot of then in.
"If you're in a bad situation, don't be a quitter; keep fighting." Amen! It's not over until it's over.
Thanks for the encouraging and non-judgmental way you present these. Very educational and helpful.
"If your in a bad situation, don't give up, keep fighting" I like what he said in the end of the vid. That applies to most life situations.
You are so right about fire. I was on fire twice in my 50-year flying career. Once was a fire behind the instrument panel in a Piper Arrow The other was the left engine on a 757. Being on fire sucks.
Pilot to ATC “ it could be, but I’m not really saying this, that it might be possible that I am a bit low, but not completely low on fuel”. Sheesh. Walked away though, and that is always a good outcome.
Not to bury the lead or the lesson, but as a small geographic note, I live somewhat near Route 83 and a field (not too, too many around there) is definitely the better option during the day- plenty of traffic on 83 and likely the bad result.
good video, good lessons, thanks Kelsey
Kelsey, for the first time in my piloting career I saw the brown side up! 😅 I completed spin training and got my CFI endorsement and your videos have been a constant throughout this year and a half of training, thank you so much for teaching a broader audience about aviation!
Good message Kelsey 💪💪💪
Hooray new video ❤
Pilots have big egos, you can't let making a mistake cause a crash. "Mayday, mayday, mayday" is not a curse, you let the airport know what is going on and will help you! Swallow your pride, and if in trouble, let them know!
Pilot: I am minimum fuel and I can see the runway. Tower: Okay you are number two behind a plane TEN MILES OUT, follow them.
SO TRUE! Controller was told numerous times "LOW FUEL" - but it seems they it needed to be sent on a postcard, or any form of writing to get the message.
Maybe 'Sky Writing?' would have been at least noticeable to the rest of the world. Or perhaps a gender reveal style .. "nose down, accelerating and shouting low fuel several times, it's a fuel vacuum!".
If nose up Accelerating "it's a joke.. we dont have low fuel really haha, got you that time silly rabbit controller"
Had you actually watched the video you would have no problem understanding what the ATC thought, because Kelsey straight up explained it to you.
"Dog gonnit, Sweets, you told me that you'd get me to the primary!" "I'm sorry, Sir. That estimate was based on the original loss rate factor, not at two zero five."
I feel for the pilot, it's intimidating flying into a massive Class B as a GA pilot. I can understand why he didn't want to be a problem. Even though he made mistakes, he fought and lived to fly another day. Glad he survived.
Thanks, Cap Kelsey! another great debrief that is useful for everyone way beyond aviation
Handsome and interesting as always. Thanks for another great video.Glad it was a happy ending😬
This pilot sounds completely nonchalant , almost bored. Comatose. Crazy crazy pilot.
Thank you. Good to see you
On my first flight with passengers as a new pilot the low fuel buzzer came on while on final at the destination airport. To make weight I only put in half tank of fuel (four guys with camping gear in a 172). Right before take off I checked the weather again and it showed a rain storm that we would have to avoid which wasn't a big deal, but I knew I would have to keep an eye on the fuel if the weather pushed us out very far. Obviously we were fine, but lessons learned. Don't short your fuel safety margins. I'm not sure I did, but in retrospect it sure seems likely. I know I way over exceeded the minimum clearances from the storm. If we waited 15-30 minutes the storm would have passed by, so that is clearly the choice I should have made. Also, I would error on the side of making to the airport over following vfr minimums.
Hey Kelsey! I love ur content and you've shown me many things that I'll utilize when I begin flight school. I wish I could get u as my flight instructor! Anyways thanks again bro! Take care!
great commentary as always. thank you for the video.
I’m not a pilot. I watch a lot of aviation videos though, and a lot of ATC recordings both from the US and other countries. There seems to be a reluctance among US pilots to explicitly make a mayday or pan-pan call. Instead, they talk more about the specific issues they are experiencing, and often the ATC then has to ask “are you declaring an emergency” or sometimes the pilot will on their own then say “declaring an emergency.” There’s been a bit of an increase in explicit mayday calls over the last couple years of watching, but many US pilots for whatever reason seem to go through this sort of back and forth dance where they tell ATC “oh we have an issue…” they give some details, and eventually it gets called an emergency.
Why is this? Is there an institutional or training aspect to US pilots or pilot culture where they don’t want people to make the firm “mayday mayday mayday” or “pan-pan, pan-pan, pan-pan” calls? Are those seen as more European practices or something? Why does there have to be a dance around declaring an emergency? Is it the commercial operations that discourage pilots from making these calls?
I would love to understand this better
Some of this is intimidation from lower experience pilots, even medium experience pilots, who are encountering their first experience with an abnormal situation. It’s the first time that suddenly options are limited and the correct choice is not necessarily readily apparent to them. This can have the effect of anything from slight hesitation to panic as the reality sets in, even if the initial situation isn’t immediately dangerous. Adding to the stress is often an increased workload and other things start getting missed as well.
Some of the reluctance may also come from not wanting to admit they have made a mistake, even though this is rarely chastised or questioned while they are in the air. Whether this is due to personal pride or fear of future repercussions, it’s often the source of more delay in terms of time, fuel, and options.
As I do this everyday, and have had to declare emergencies or seek ATC assistance for numerous situations over my career, I and most professional pilots see the declaring as just one more step in communicating and solving a problem. Generally we are very upfront with our problem and the limitations it has on our flight, but our training extensively involves getting ATC into the loop.
This is not a skill that private pilot, or even commercial pilots (which is a license, not an airline employee) are regularly trained on, as emergency procedures are taught initially but could change often depending on the type of plane or how and where they operate changes.
@@As_A________Commenter if/when you have had to declare an emergency, do you say “mayday mayday mayday” or do you say “Callsign blah blah blah this is some text declaringanemergency anyways I was wondering if I could get an iced coffee, anyways hows the family?”
I absolutely loved that video. It's crazy how we can learn so many good advice for life watching videos about aviation. Thank you very much, you are awesome!
I live near a 2000 ft hill with 6 emergency truck ramps. If runaway truck drivers use a ramp they survive with minor truck damage, if they don’t they roll their trucks over at 100mph on the curve at the bottom of the hill. Nearly all die. The sad thing is that you can see the sharp curve past the last two emergency escape ramps, one exists right and the other exits left, yet some truckers decided not to use them. It seems similar to pilots who don’t call out emergencies or call them out too late.
Great life lessons in this one: be honest, own your mistakes and figure shit out. Nice.
AND he can feather the prop.... that really brings drag way down!
You can never have too much fuel UNLESS: You’re on fire OR you’re out of snacks. 😂🤣
Yup. Love this guy!
I would (Assume) the Controller would want a plane with minimum fuel on the ground ASAP, unless they had other more pressing problems in the Air Space.
There was an episode of Air Disasters where a mistake in converting between metric and imperial fuel units caused 1/2 the needed fuel to be loaded. The pilot landed on an abandoned runway.
Oops - everyone was already on this. 😢
I can’t believe Kermit was flying
Thanks for your videos! They bring back so many memories from my flying career. Maybe someday I should write an Ernie Gann-type book.
I semi-commend it "he didn't quit", but honestly that just means he's dumb, but not suicidal / he still wanted to live
Never give up flying the aircraft to the scene of the accident.
I didn't know about "minimum fuel" call, having gotten my private ticket at a non towered field. On a long cross country to qualify toward commercial, I had a very ancient C150. Watching my fuel gauges, I became concerned. I planned to land at Columbia SC, the max of the range of the 150. On my descent from 10,000, I even started cutting off the fuel by pulling the mixture knob out to cut off. I told tower controller I was low on fuel but declined his offer to declare an emergency. Fortunately, turned out the thing kept running till I got to a parking spot. After filling up, I had only 1/2 gallon! I told a more experienced pilot the story, his response: "Did you kiss the ground after landing." My reply: "No, I soloed in a glider before getting my private."
Had I quit before landing I would have told ATC and landed on the grass between runway and taxiway.
Good choice of landing locations; the trees are more likely to get out of your way than Chicago traffic.
He should have gone to Midway instead if O'HARE.
I am not a pilot, but the truth is honestly there. My time in the Army was a tough course, "I made a mistake" its better to ask forgiveness, than beg for permission. Never lost a friend for my mistakes. Thankfully, but i got my punches, and kept going forward.
He declared minimum fuel, so why is ATC giving him lots of vectors? The rule states no more vectors. Right?
love these stories …
Oh, great Kelsey, I am nervous enough at 30,000 ft but now I can be terrified at 2,000 ft.
I just wanted to say, I've been watching your videos since I was 14 and you've inspired me to go for a career in aviation. I'm a trans woman, so it took 2.5 years to get my 1st class medical due to the regulations. But I received my medical last week and my instructor is hoping for me to do my first solo this week, almost 6 years after I stumbled on your channel.
Your videos have helped me so much on my journey and gave me the inspiration I needed to keep going, and I just wanted to thank you.
Don't be a quitter, keep fighting!
Great coverage 💯
Love your sense of humor!
I feel like you’re always in that same exact hotel room
Hey Kelsey, IL 83 runs N-S, it’s on the west side of ORD. It can get busy. Whenever you take off west from ORD it’s the second major N-S Road.
Morning!
Stewardess: "We are out of fuel."
Passenger: "Stewardess! Are you telling us everything?"
Stewardess: "Well we are also out of snacks and coffee..."
**Cabin breaks out in violent chaos**
Excellent comments-keep fighting! ❤
Has everyone forgotten the Gimly Glider,it was lucky to land on a runway that was converted to a drag strip.
sounds like he never declared an emergency
It seems that perhaps there should be an auxiliary reserve fuel pick up in the rear portion of the wing as well, so that in the event of pitching up too sharply, the plane would still have enough fuel.
Thank you for this. We can never ever stop learning and we can and must learn form others errors. Obviously Aviate, Navigate, Communicate was being observed. But as Kelsey says, we must never be afraid to let ATC know the actual situation. Even if you are just boring holes in the sky in their C-172 (like me) . Its an extreme example but what if Capt. Sullenberger and Jeff Skiles had just said - oh no we hit birds and we are dead stick at 2000 feet... Well sayonara, its been fun, and augured in their A320.... I think it was Gen. Chuck Yeager (RIP) (It might have been Bob Hoover (RIP) who said "NEVER stop flying the aircraft-never give up. Thank you Kelsey.
Also "Fly all the way to the crash site" - doesn't matter how screwed you are, you can /always/ improve your odds by flying it all the way.
I work in rail and I remember when I declared an emergency. It turns out it wasn't an emergency and I felt so bad.
Was that something that you should have known at the time, from the information available to you in the moment? If not, then you still did the right thing.
Though yeah 100%, totally understand feeling bad about it.
Better to be alive to fill out all that paperwork than DEAD!
It absolutely amazes me how many pilots do not want to declare an emergency due to paperwork. It’s better to declare an emergency and land safely, verses not declaring an emergency and injuring or killing all on board and possibly people on the ground. Pilots need to grow up, don’t be stupid and just declare an emergency when warranted!
"Don't be a quitter." This is exactly the advice I gave my cousin. But he chose to go to meetings. That makes him an alcoholic but I'm still a happy drinker.
Good lord, that Pilot needs to communicate, all of that could have been avoided if he spoke up and called a mayday
Was the Magic words abra kadabra
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Making an emergency landing on Route 83 in Elk Grove would have been....interesting.
Thanks for the video Kelsey. Interesting
I wonder if his fuel gauge might've been incorrect, showing minimum values when it was actually nearly run dry? Anyways, good vid as always, keep the blue side up!
did Cirrus add a parachute for those who forget to refuel???
The deal is there’s lots of bad pilots but planes are generally so safe it’s hard to fail but happens
He never DID declare a MAYDAY. Even as he was crashing, nothing... smh.
Holly McClane was circling with minimum fuel.
Was Hwy 83... for him, it's Runway 83
Center controller for 25 years. I’ve never heard of mayday fuel.
Gotta have those snacks Kelsey!
It was used till it died, then was put aside for too long and the battery dropped below the lower charging threshold. Always store your devices with a charge and never full.
I would put icing second
In the forest there are fewer cars. But there are fewer trees on the highway.
When Kelsey takes off with all of his snacks but no cargo, he still has to declare "747 heavy" 👀
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*WINCHESTER AMMO, BINGO FUEL* ---> that's when you're really in a hurt locker.
SMOKE (and fire) are the worst situation when sitting in a tube high up in the skies ‼️
Smoke removal drills are even scary in the simulator 🫣 I hated them 😅
@13:25 Captain Kelsey ... always looking for the bright side.
Why didn’t he just call a mayday?
if you run out of fuel, you become a glider. if you run out of snacks, Kelsey becomes hangry.
actually though
Mayday, mayday, mayday, we have minimum snacks…!!
@@Midnight.Rain.747. actually, though, this particular morning, I'm a half hour from leaving for the airport, and I have snacks with me, just in case. (actually in case my wife gets hangry, but it's always good to be prepared.)
@@kenbrown2808 that’s crazy, where are you going??
LOL. And as to which is worse, opinions vary.