Electricians Shocked by this Mysterious Earth Clamp
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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Looking at the comments efixx... I think a video on what bonding is for and how it fits into the protective measure wouldn't go amiss.
Electricians are dumb. Get a real job.
this is bad. if problems with electrical system occur it energizes the water ....what if ur showering dude? ive already seen stories about this
@@Blue_2_K I rest my case
The only way an electrician is going to be shocked by this clamp is if there is an earth fault or if they see the price :,)
Or unless there’s short in the house, and it grounds out to the copper plumbing which that is attached. They will find out when they wash their hands Lolol.
That’s def not code where I live to ground electrical to the plumbing.
@@nebraskaman8247
So you don't ground your copper pipes? All conductors should be earthed for safety reasons.
Looked to me like he was using the plumbing as a ground for electrical purposes.
@@nebraskaman8247 We don't bond the pipes to use as an earth. It's so that in the event of a fault, all the metal that a person might be in contact with is at the same voltage. Reducing the risk of electrical shock.
@@nebraskaman8247 its not “grounded” to it, its “bonded”. If you are in the US, it certainly is a NEC requirement to bond across the water heater hot/cold lines. Note: there are exceptions, including if pex supply lines are used, at “X” distance to/from water heater, tank material, etc.
Wait... an electrician that knows how to use a trashcan? Now ive seen everything
As an electrician I can confirm we don't know don't what garbage cans are 😂
@@zstrode.8953I second this. I've seen them, but there's never one within arms reach so it becomes the laborers problem.
@@leftyeh6495 that's right 😅
🤣
@@leftyeh6495But I put the bin right next to your work space, and it still ends up on the floor
Two weeks later.... We discover all the copper plumbing connects to PEX before it ever reaches ground. :)
Which is why it’s bonded to earth - as it is here. The pipe’s not providing the ground in this vid, it’s being connected to ground
wrong way to ground it then. the whole point is to not have any of the pipe conducting current. if its already isolated by pex and you add a connection into the panel.... well you see the issue right? its the only place current can even come from. so now if the pipe becomes electrified it will be through the common ground because the rod connection is bad, thus electeifying all the pipes for no good reason. sweet
@@QuantumMarmalade What do you mean it's the only place current can come from? Copper pipes can become live for many reasons but the panel making the protective earth live really isn't one of them. And when they become live the protective earth allows the current to flow which will trip one of the protection devices. Without protective earth, the pipe could become live, and stay live, because no current could flow. Your understanding of protective earth is ass backwards my friend.
@@QuantumMarmalade Besides, this is bonding. It's purpose is to reduce the voltage between two fixed metal parts of the building so a person touching both at the same time has less chance of getting hurt when a fault happens.
no. also the sad reality is that the only reason we have grounding is to counteract the fact that the power grid uses the literal ground as a hot conductor leg. this inherently dangerous method is used simply to save money on running a second line.
additionally I shall repeat myself so you may understand.... you only bond at the main water pressure regulator, no matter which direction you hope the flow is going. this is so that any plumber is up stream of the ground, so if he cuts a pipe and handles both sides, he won't get electrocuted. if you just randomly attach as he has done here, you ensure 100% that if there is a short and the breaker doesn't trip (happens all the time) and any plumber handles the pipe, he's getting shocked, even and especially if it is insulated from ground by pex.
plain and simple fact is that this video uses expensive chincy gimmicks and an incorrect, dangerous understanding of how and why we ground to or from pipes SAFELY.
With the advent of PEX plumbing, you cant trust that a copper line is properly grounded anymore.
You can when that's what you're connecting it to. This is not using the pipe to provide a ground.
It's the pipe thats being earthed.
Yeah, what happens if a repair has to be made on both pipes four feet down further, and they replace it with sections of PEX pipe, unknowingly severing the connection to earth?
@@bradbeck2601As has been mentioned, the piping is grounded to the earth via the cable, not the other way arround. Replacing the pipes with plastic is fine and makes the cable redundant.
@@Znyggisen what's the purpose of grounding the pipes?
I'm an electrician and I'm only "shocked" by the price of this whole thing!
Says the sparky that over charges for work I’ve done.
How would HE overcharge for work YOU have done?
@@sparkynate91 дешевле только в космосе🤣
How to spot someone who charges by the hour.... 😂
What doing the job properly. How to spot a cowboy.
@@Wawaw738 can't take a joke... how to spot a moron!
@@Wawaw738No, there are different ways to do the job properly.
This guy does do a great job but some of the things he does are unrealistic in the field and would be refined over time to get the same result in a fraction of the time.
Perfection costs money in that field.
@karmasgotcha2356 yes... but the question is, do you need perfection for that particular job? The answer 99.99% of the time is no. And that makes it a waste of money.
If they are shocked by it, there’s a short somewhere 😉😂😂
yeah the length of the video duh
@@whatstdiggn think you missed the joke
But the short won't be in the price.
How to extend your job by 4 unnecessary hours to give the client a bigger bill
most clients don't care about the time you took to so something, they just wanna see the result
This guy has never installed a 6-foot ground rod
@@MarcoVenustusthey just want it to do the job in the cheapest way.
You.must run a failing business if you don't wanna make money 😂
@@baked.9niondid he say all that? He’s speaking on behalf of the consumer that always gets screwed in the end.
As an electrical and an electrical engineer, i have to tell my brother, you've got some nice amd expensive equipment
its so satisfying when you have the right tools for the job though. I may be a bit bias. I'm a toolmaker after all.
That's mainly why I watch this channel.
A lot of the installed components in their videos are not available/applicable in the US of A, but I can get a lot of the tools he uses... Well, Probably not a $3,000 Klauke crimper.😂
I work at Walmarts what's up
As my father always mentioned, The job is difficult enough even when you have the correct tools... so don't hinder yourself.
"electrician"
If you twist stranded wire backwards, then bend and put around the screw, it won't splay out. It will hug the screw post as you tighten it down.
Ive got to try that
By backwards, I assume you mean counter clockwise?
I'm left handed, that comes naturally. 😀
It’s not backwards. You just wrap the wire around it the direction you will tighten it.
It's never a good idea to put stranded wire under a screw without a proper connector crimped on. Somewhere I have pictures of the last guy that thought that was ok, and the resulting melted connections and burned wire.
It is good that the consumer unit terminal screws have a torque specification, but why oh why do they use these turnout- and damage-prone modified Philips heads? Surely Torx or hex screws would make more sense when using a torque spec?
That is pozidriv and flat in one screwhead. It's quite a standard in electrical connections. Rcbo and so on have this type of screwhead too. At least in my company we use it up to three newtonmeters
Well one reason is that normally they'll cam out before you can excessively over torque them.
Another reason is that they're combination screws, and you can use multiple different bits to open and close them.
@@fierydawn2635 Heads specifically designed for cam-out are Philips, pozidriv was specifically designed to reduce cam out (a failed attempt largely). I know these heads well; the issue with cam-out is that it immediately knackers the screw head. The only screwdriver tips I have found to fit well are the WERA ones with combined Pozi and flat tip (these heads are not just found in consumer units; I don't work on those).
I agree , they round off so easily . I hate the fusebox RCBOs as i have about 1 in 20 slip and round off using the specified wiha torque bit at 1.2Nm. I find a wiha flat head bit works better.
Small hex aren't much better. In my work I use 3mm hex heads torqued to 3Nm and they fairly often round out, although they are frequently used
We’ve had a plumber die after touching a pipe that was grounded by electricians
BS
@@troyecolemangreen wire hooked up to a hot. mistakenly used as a ground?
this is why you always ground only at the regulator. I bet that thing wouldn't last 5 years in the places I have to use them.
@@Bennysol not exactly.
the pipe could have been electrified by a short somewhere and if the breaker didn't pop then a plumber may cut the pipe and now have a grounded side and ungrounded side. if he then grabs both pipes he's toasty. this can also happen if you have a bad neutral coming in because ground and neutral are common in a main panel. so you may be carrying all your neutral loads through a grounded pipe very easily and when grounded down stream of the regulator it becomes a hazard to any unwitting plumber.
@@QuantumMarmalade good to know. And that makes sense. Sounds like a rare occurrence but also a very real risk at the same time. And I guess checking voltage on a pipe might help but it could change after its been cut
Oh dear a lot of comments about grounding and earthing here. Look if your work is subject to BS7671 the conductor is Bonding extraneous conductive parts to the MET. If 7671 doesn't apply to you ( If you live in the US for instance), ignore the video and use building codes.
Even if those building codes could KILL you.
Это видео не актуально и в России. Многожильные кабель без гильзы нельзя зажимать под винт.
From the quality of many of these replies it's good to see that so many experts have a keen interest in the electrical safety requirements around the globe, and have a firm grip on the philosophy of bonding/earthing of extraneous metal parts and circuit protective devices.
So this is why plumbers are getting shocked on the gas lines
Finally our plan is coming to fruition.
The war of the trades has begun!
The point is to divert any live feeds to earth so you dont get shocked.
@@nealdz1031 no it's not
@@nealdz1031It's the point, but if there's a grounding issue, then all of the piping is also conducting electricity. Thank god for PEX, there's none of this shenanigans anymore.
Ahh yes the spicy water earthing. They did that before in sweden. They stopped for a reason. If you are showering or have your hands in the faucet when lightning hits the powering it can cause you to get electrocuted. The same if something earth out (mostly a problem in a house without an earth breaker).
It’s not using the pipes to supply ground. It’s bonding the pipes to ground (which is provided from supplier or earth rod)
Well, i guess, thats what the title means. Electricians (and everybody else) shocked...
Ungrounded plumbing is _how_ you get shocked through plumbing, if anyone is relying on this for the main grounding line they have no idea what they're doing
The final ground should be neutral supplied from the utillity pole. earth rods are for the case where lightning strikes
Remained the title, "How DIYers kill themselves"
As a french électricien, i'm on of those who work only with legrand, it's a french brand, products made in france, this product will last 50 years :)
Doesn't matter what country you're in. That laminated sticker is going to fall off that OSB in no time. FAIL
Why?
I'd keep the Legrand clamp method and get rid of of the single screw termination and replace with a 2 conductor common Cage Clamp termination. Quick cable strip and push insert. No need for all the labour and extra tooling
I have done a lot of electrical work. Taught by some pretty smart guys. One thing i was always told is never ground to a supply line of any type. In case of a short that entire line will be electrified. My dad came across a house that would give you an electric buzz anytime you were in the shower and touched the faucet. There was a ground done like this. Dont endanger your customer. Run a proper "earth ground"
100% correct. 🎉
This isn't using a copper pipe as an earth though.
@robertbritton656 It's running the earth ground of the circuit to that copper pipe. That's why it's called earth clamp. Eventually that copper pipe will go into the ground somewhere in the system. Normally where the water is supplied to the house.
@@cobravids No it isn't. There's no circuit here and no one is using a copper pipe as an earth.
All extraneous conductive parts must be bonded to the main earth terminal. This is to prevent any metalwork from becoming live in the event of a fault.
Electrified relative to what? This connection makes sure all exposed plumbing is at the same potential as all exposed earthed electrical equipment. It's not supplying the ground to the installation, it's ensuring there is no potential between these points.
HE'S NOT USING THE PIPE AS A GROUND! HE'S GROUNDING THE PIPE FOR SAFETY!
Sorry to shout, I just thought someone should say that one more time. /s
And I'm not even an electrician.
it is immaterial which he is doing. yes most of the commenters here are slightly off base in reasoning but they all seem to be able to tell intuitively that there is a problem with where he placed the ground clamp (should only and always be at the pressure regulator. also, all grounding is for safety, no other reason exists. the reality is that this dude did it in an unsafe way and that clamp looks like trash, something I would toss in the bin.
@@QuantumMarmalade There is no pressure regulator in the building in a domestic context. This is not America, our plumbing and electrical installations are not the same as yours. This is also being done on a board in a workshop as a demonstration of materials and methods..
@@Monkeh616 it's a poor demonstration since it creates a hazard. additionally I call bullshit on the idea that Europe doesn't use pressure regulators because if that was the case then the municipal supply would have virtually no pressure at most of the homes and at peak usage times there would be no water at all for many.
@@QuantumMarmalade I didn't say there aren't regulators, I said they're not in the house. Where the provider puts them in their private network is their problem. In a real installation, main bonding would be connected to relevant pipework at the point of entry to the building.
What hazard is created? This is demonstrating equipotential bonding, the purpose of which is to remove potential between exposed metal surfaces.
@@Monkeh616 why are there 2 copper pipes? is it 2 water mains?
I was expecting inspector clueseua to turn up 🤣
Assuming the copper lines do make it to ground, It is not advisable to ground to copper water pipes due to mineral electrolysis. I’ve seen cases where the mineral buildup caused a near total blockage of the water flow.
@@retiredbore378 why would they need to hear it from me? It’s already against the code in my state to ground to water lines.
Interesting. In cis/eu you must ground everything in batrooms and kitchens. To prevent any dangerous potentials to appear on metal parts. It's called Auxilary System of Potential Equalization.
And in some cases a metal net is used in floors to equalize potentials between all points of the floor (so called step voltage), but this is very specific type.
As an American I’ve been doing a ton of wiring on European panels in portable distribution centers going to Israel. Can confirm European panels are much much nicer than American stuff. We are so behind the times here
By a decade or more
Ok, let's add another 50K to the cost of a house just to have fancy screw in terminals.
Other than the general lack of working space... The smaller wire and DIN mounting is nice tho.
@@wadewilson6628 A lot of this stuff is cheaper than your old junk. Certainly doesn't add anything like that to the price - but hey, you've got to save every penny to get a new pickup this year, right?
In new European installations, at least in the Netherlands, all circuits must be protected by a 30mA RCD and we also switch the neutral since the 60's and in the 70's a 30mA RCD was already mandatory for the kitchen and bathroom and the fuses that we use are much safer since they are sealed, in the UK they used wire fuses without any RCD, and we still use Diazed fuses in the energy distribution and heavy installations because they have an insane breaking capacity of 50.000 amps. In America you only have special RCD sockets and those sockets are also really weak for their rated current. 230V is also much safer because of the low currents, we have here a 25A or 35A single phase supply or in newer houses a 3 phase 25A supply.
I'm an electrician and that video had so many fast jump cuts I'm not sure what happened that was so mysterious.
They have been about for years ,not that I have ever used the . I cotillions have a couple boxes of Tenby clamps from probably 15 years ago. Much better than the type you put in the bin.
Not sure why you put a E marker on the Earth/ bonding cables in the consumer unit . If someone doesn’t know what they are even help us.
This is a requirement in the UK for a 'protective main bonding conductor'. Which is not not an 'earth', though it's terminated at the earth terminal in a fuseboard. It's a common connection to all 'extraneous' metalwork within an installation, to reduce the risk of differing voltages across any accessible metalwork during an earth fault. If somebody happened to be in contact with, for example, a bonded water main and an unbonded gas main during an earth fault then that person can conduct current across those points of contact due to the presence of different voltages, which is a circuit.
And they cost what in comparison to an EC15 bonding clamp? What benefit do they bring for bonding?
They look sexiee
they look stupid, corrosion prone, cheap, plastic amd possibly even dielectric... trash gimmick with absolutely no benefit and massive time & $ cost.
you can charge the customer more money
And using water pipes as earth conductors has been banned in a number of countries - because plastic utility feeds to houses became a standard retrofit (ie no earth continuity). Special copper plated earth spikes are now standard (minimum 6ft/2m long but I have seen 270ft/90m ones driven in bad soil conditions).
They aren’t using the copper pipes AS their ground. They are grounding the copper pipes TO the actual ground.
That is standard practice in many (most?) countries. Those are likely the two main feeds of either gas and water, so they are thing those into the grounded network just like you would your wiring.
@@jimyeats Plastic pipes for consumer water and gas distribution are now standard globally…
Fault currents being directed into the metallic gas lines have particularly resulted in spectacular catastrophic failures…
@@allangibson8494 Whether they’re standard globally or not, they’re still all over the place. All gas lines in the US and much of Canada are still metallic.
If lightning strikes your home you can sure bet that those metal gas lines will have a higher chance of having a catastrophic failure than if they have been bonded to the grounding rod via appropriate gauge wire.
You aren’t increasing any risk by bonding them. What do you think is going to happen? Again, they aren’t being used as the grounding rod (although some scenarios allow for water pipes in certain cases). They are simply bonded to the ground.
It’s code in the US and Canada. Luckily houses aren’t blowing up left and right.
@@jimyeats Neutral currents flowing through the gas pipes strips the zinc plating off causing leaks. This is particularly a problem if a bad or nonexistent earth connection to an earth stake is present.
If lightning strikes are your concern - bonding the pipes together is reasonable but including a 90V neon gas discharge tube between the earth stake and the earth stake to prevent circulating currents is a good idea.
The same technique is used for cabinets grounds and intrinsic safe earth.
Electric trains and street cars also cause problems with circulating currents in gas and water lines (particularly as they dump DC current into the earth).
We have these grounding pipe clamps here in North America. I've only used them when grounding an antenna mast.
Ok. What does the grounding of an antenna mast should do?
Now if you thought about it for a second, imagine that bolt of lightning going straight through your house, over those pipes and into the ground.
I hope you have a good imagination.
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As Wranglestar would put it:
act accordingly...
@@ogi22 It keeps the mast at the same voltage potential as the ground. It's also required by the National Electric Code to do so. The ground wire goes to the home's grounding rod as required by code. The code also requires the homes grounding system to be bonded to water and gas pipes. Any electric charge from lightning or EMP from lightning is drained to the ground. It's established electric science and not anything like lightning guns from scifi. Although we don't know the exact reason why lightning occurs, we've been sure that it is electricity since the 1700s. The upper atmosphere and the ground act like a gigantic capacitor with air acting as a dielectric. Air currents and wind separate charge between the sky and ground as well as cloud to cloud in a thunderstorm. As the voltage rises, the air becomes ionized creating a channel from cloud to ground or cloud to cloud. These are seen as leaders. Once the leaders from the cloud and ground touch, the charge is dumped and the voltage potential fall below that needed for air ionization. Keeping pipes and antenna masts grounded will cause lightning to follow the electric path to ground. It become like a Faraday cage protecting you from the lightning. If pipes weren't grounded, lightning might seek a ground path through you. A lightning rod just gives lightning a low resistance path to ground so it doesn't go through your house.
@@ogi22It’s not made for a direct lightning strike. It’s to dissipate the charge on the antenna so it has a lower chance of getting hit by lightning.
@@5roundsrapid263 Ok. Then someone who told you that, had no idea how EM field works. And probably how antenna works too.
Don't worry, one of my previous bosses said he bought "unidirectional sound cables".
Sorry for not giving you a sauce, just google for "EM fields around object on earth" and see how equipotential lines fold around objects.
And in the antenna, just think how charges in the antenna flow, and why you shouldn't ground the last part of it. And for that matter, why do you have a special antenna cable which is shielded.
@@5roundsrapid263 Yet strikes are a fact of life. "Early streaming" lightning protection is unreliable and not NFPA 780 approved. If it happens, okay - but don't use it in place of required grounding. Each leg of the tower must be grounded (those grounds can be bussed underground), but if you value your equipment don't let the feedline ground to the tower anywhere besides the antenna mount. Ground loops are lightning surges' playground.
Finally, unless your site is in a marsh, the best ground on site is the neutral service conductor. It is not approved to use it that way so do the proper local grounding, but lightning does not care. It will do what it needs to get to that ground that is shared among all your neighbors.
I was the lightning hardening guru for the IT department (think mountaintop microwave sites) of a Fortune 100 electric company before I retired.
You're right, I'm shocked... By how much longer that took then an ordinary waterline clamp that we currently use today.
Great and innovative earth clamp. Though am more interested in the interchangeable dies crimping tool, it really looks awesome. I actually need one of those.
Edited to add
Can someone get additional dies for the same crimper.
Elpress
Blue Point makes one as well…
Klauke has some solid tools. I have the K507 and a bunch of extra Dies for larger diameters.
They're quite handy. I have dies for Anderson Powerpoles and for crimping various coax connectors. Worth it for a repeatable result over and over.
I've been using them for about 5 years... Once in place you need the grip and strength of Popeye to get them off, even when they're not tightened down.
As an electronics engineer i can tell you, that i like the music ;)
Electrician shocked is a great way to start the video
Grounded into waterline, thats some old school stuff.
Which probably wasn't as big of a deal as there were fewer electrical devices on the circuit and less load. There were also only 2 wires being used, so the conduits and plumbing were used as a ground.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade I know you have to ground your plumbing but electric panels should have a direct earth ground. My luck is get electrocuted in the shower... Lol
Work for water authority in Australia. We have had deaths from faults going Down earths like this making water mains live. I’ve had a shovel weld to the main when digging. This type of earthing is dangerous. Killed a small child in Australia aswell. 🤔
@@Adamisthesickest pretty sure that's why developed nations no longer allow it. You ground the plumbing and you ground the breaker panel separately into the earth and not water lines.
@@mattypantsnot an electrician or plumber but was thinking the same thing as I work around a lot of electrical and plumbing in homes glad to be in the u.s.a. I suppose lol
A commercial for wire strippers and cutters.
Those cable idents are a bit useless aren't they?
Yup, you may as well go to the trouble and fit them to all terminals everywhere on a property.
Surely thats why the wires are colour coded😂
They're fine.
It's equipotential bonding of services in to the building.
When you want to test your External Earth Loop Impedance you can temporarily disconnect the W(water) and G(gas) etc, then reconnect them again for the Prospective Short Circuit Current test 👍
But they both say E. So impedance loop earth testing of water and gas circuits would maybee be W and G. Ultimately its over complex nonsense
@@mikechurch1407
You read the ferrule with the cable horizontal.
They both say W because they are both Water Pipes. 👍
Almost had me for a minute there, at first glance i thought it was just a huge diameter copper ground rod, then I realized they were using the old spicy water method lol
Apprentice automotive electrician/mechanic here, question for you. Would there ever be any risk of voltage back feeding or spiking or anything into this kind of ground wire? If so/if not why? And are these gas pipes? Water pipes? Super satisfying video tho, keep up the good work!!
I do/ work the same as you but for semitrucks
My question: what would he do against korosion
They're water pipes. Copper isn't used for gas pipes, way too much risk if in contact with an electrical conductor. Even the water passing through copper pipes will create electrical activity.
Ignoring pilot tubes, obviously. A short length close to the source of intended ignition doesn't carry the same risk.
@@elus89 Here in the UK copper tube is 100% used on the consumer side of the gas meter in domestic premises. Older underground supplies are steel barrel types which are effectively electrodes so the point here is we Bond these pipes with the Distributor (electricity supply) to negate any difference in potential (volts)
Utility wireman here. What do you mean voltage back feeding into this wire? Edit:(reread it). I would figure this is used to keep the piping in the house at ground potential. Let’s say a wire touches the piping. Fault current would go back to the pole and down the neutral. A/C electricity wants to go back to where it’s created. At least in the USA, panels are bonded at the first disconnecting means of a service entrance(the main panel typically). Both neutral and ground are tied together. To double the means of return path to the pole/utility.
Shocked about the amount of grounding in this video, out here it is hard to find a electrician that understands grounding to earth
А в щитке гильзовать провода не надо??? Просто под гайку??? 😂😂😂 лоховская работа!
Загильзуй свой мозг😂😂😂 Сектант ншви🤦♂️
Согласен. Но это же кап.страна. Может у них так принято )
У меня новое хобби. Я под всеми такими видео ищу комменты свидетелей святых наконечников. И пока нахожу под каждым! 😂
@@user-vu6hn4ul2i😂😂😂И я тоже😅😅😅👍
В советское время тоже редко гильзовали. НШВИ так вообще с Китая к нам пришли 😅
I don't understand why anyone wouldn't ground their pipes. And it should be done in multiple places for redundancy! ❤
Does anyone realize how often rodents chew live wires bare in walls that can contact piping, or an appliance like a shorted dishwasher or garbage disposal energizes the pipework, which is sometimes today supplied and returned through PVC risers which DON'T ground them. This leaves potential voltage waiting for you to get out. 🎉
The amount of American sparks in this comment section that can’t get their head around equipotential bonding is alarming. Saying it’s not “up to code”, guys our regulations are the most comprehensive and safest in the world.
Beautifully done. They look fantastic. Much better than the old earth clamp. It’s good to see videos of the job being done properly. Thanks for the videos.
copper water pipes are usually soldered together and there is a possibility that if sufficient current get the pipe hot enough to melt that solder a grounding could be compromised. Check out the National Electrical code in both USA and Canada
He's not using the pipes as a ground. He's bonding the pipes TO ground, so that if something gets shorted to a pipe, it has a low resistance path to ground.
Like that is going to happen with a pipe full of water
ב''ה, no guarantee these don't transition to pex. Only suitable for electrifying plumbers and clients.
Perhaps you should check out the Requirements for Electrical Installations in the UK before assuming you know what you're on about..
@@puckcat22679 It is for a path to ground, but not for shorts
The iron content of water induces a current at high flow, only a very small one - but enough for the copper pipe to start galvanic corrosion if it's not grounded
If you bend the cable over, what is the groove designed for, i thought it was there so there was no need to bend the cable over, just pass it straight though....
No lockout kit on your board... Naughty naughty efixxx
OK. This is OBVIOUSLY Europe and not the US. And a majority of comments here are questioning whether that pipe wouls be a good ground... Its becuase in the US... Inspectors will often not sign off unless ground is run to both hot AND cold copper.
Заземление на трубы. Вот что я люблю!
Я думаю, это не заземление на трубы, а система уравнивания потенциалов. То есть, заземляют трубу
А это не могут быть трубы, внутри которых провода? Я так вначале и подумал. Это точно не водопроводные
The title is just perfect. It even made me watch the whole video because I thought I'd learn something.
Once you use your copper water supply pipes for a ground, you inadvertently supply all of the plumbing fixtures in your house to an electrical current.
This causes a condition called galvanic corrosion, destroying your plumbing fixtures prematurely.
The pipes doesnt supply to ground it is Just bonded to it.
This is Standard praktise in europe. The normal ground is supplyed by a grounding rod near the Main Electrical panel. Every large mettalic object inside a house has to be connected to this rod.
it is in our electrical code DIN VDE 0100-410 and DIN VDE 0100-540
Nonsense.
Any other electricians still not using the torque on terminals?? Ayyyyyy
First time I've seen them. I don't understand why they are any better than a standard 65181140 ground clamp, I know the standard one here is about $5. Mabe it's different where this is.
Quoting another UA-cam video I recently saw, "You know he's a professional because he wags his finger."
As retired plumber, you always wondered if you where going to be shocked. 😂
Most people are shocked to find that I'm a bad electrician
We install these all the time in Data centres when earth bonding the floor peds saves loads of time
Ill stick with my passthrough cast brass clamps and #4 bare that i only need a flat to put on
This isn't allowed in the netherlands since most radiators and waterlines don't end in copper or are plastic only even. So we only use the earth pin for earth.
If each pipe goes to the opposite corner of the house then an earth battery can be created on a dry day which will erode the plumbing nicely.
People commenting about 'earthing' to plumbing is dangerous, it is the opposite, it is bonding to a properly earthed or grounded system to protect the plumbing distribution inside a structure from stray current. It is done to ensure that the metal water pipe is at the same zero voltage to ground as the service grounded conductor. Like anything if a system is improperly installed, it can be dangerous or even fatal.
If you have voltage on your plumbing distribution, it is a wiring fault or a failing electric+plumbing appliance, such as a clothes washer, dishwasher, or electric water heater and needs to be addressed immediately.
4Ga. stranded ground cable and an hour pounding in a 10' rod into the earth. Building code is PEX and PVC/ABS. No funky connectors, just sweat and a big hammer.
Totally irrelevant. This is not a substitute for a ground rod, it's bonding, and what your new buildings in your totally different country use has no bearing on existing installations somewhere else.
Don't wag your finger at me sir.
No an electrician, so im confused... Now running ground to plumbing is preferable to going back to the box??
They're earthing the pipes to the cabinet, not earthing the cabinet to ground through the pipes. The cabinet earth rail connects to e.g. grounding rods through a separate wire, not shown in this video.
@@williamchamberlain2263 got it thanks 👍
Used one of these for the first time for my AM2. I really liked it to be fair.
I would avoid to connect the plumbing to the electrical system.
This guy can take the simplest of electrical jobs, adds so many unnecessary steps, and requires 10 tool boxes worth of equipment to do them.
No, I do not want to become an electrician, I just want to watch electrical DIY videos all day.
Ham radio dudes be like, "aaaa theres the ground loop!"
The fact he uses a eye terminal on one ground block, but not the other, made me twitchy.
Since most house piping has been Pex for 20 years and water feed piping is plastic, we rarely see and copper pipe bonds anymore.
The price of the clamps is still cheaper than installing a proper grounding rod, I guess. As a plumber, I wouldn't trust any system to be properly grounded these days. PEX in the walls and PVC underground are all too common.
You should have seperate ground cable for water instalation. That can lead to difference of potencials.
.. this prevents a difference in potential.
This looks super good and professional but extremely overkill.
Earthing all pipes is overkill in my opinion. Isn't the boiler earthed anyway? Wouldn't the RCD switch sense any leak and trip in case of fault?
Read up on PEN faults and TNCS earthing then see how you feel.
Felt like I was on a mission watching this sheet
If an "electrician" is somehow shocked by this ground clamp, literally or figuratively, I question his claim to the title of "electrician"
Instructions unclear, ended up with jump-cut induced motion sickness.
As an architect in America I can tell you that our electrical craftsmanship is about 1/5 of Europe's it looks like to me
I solder a copper wire to the pipe, doing that on ac units to prevent any shock hazard
Grounding the plumbing isn't a bad idea, grounding the electrical via the plumbing is.
That's a good way to get circulating currents.
copper connection to ground might temporarily delay lightning effect on satellite receiver with 2 yellow antique glass globe lighting rods ...
It is forbiden in France .
You can have an electric shock ,when you take a bath or a showwer.
Why does UA-cam shorts only give me electrician videos man
Because you are destined to become a plumber.
No! Use a ground rod on-site, not just copper piping! Minimum standards may allow for that, but it's not the best safety practice!
They have a proper ground somewhere. This is just grounding the metal piping in the house TO that ground rod. You know? So that all of that metal in your walls and going to your faucets and other terminations are grounded?
@@jimyeats No, it is not proper grounding! There is too much potential for corrosion to develop a resistance that makes the grounding dangerous! Piping is no longer a valid grounding in the current NEC and most municipalities.
@@musicinspire1745 The pipes are just bonded TO the ground. They aren’t the main ground.
I've been using these for a couple of years. Apparently, they have been discontinued.
Can we stop bonding to water/gas lines??? There's been enough cases where it's been shown in some instances where it creates more problems than it solves. Just do a proper earth ground...
What's more proper about something with a totally different function?
They're earthing the pipes to the cabinet, not earthing the cabinet to ground through the pipes. The cabinet earth rail connects to e.g. grounding rods through a separate wire, not shown in this video.
In the US copper pipe is no longer considered grounded because short areas are being replaced by pex.
Lot of heated comments hear, but as a kid I recall as it was yesterday (sixty years ago) touching the toaster and the kitchen sink and getting a hell of a jolt. That was before pex. The more grounds the merrier
Once someone replaces any copper with CPVC or Pex you’ve lost your ground.
You know how I know this is a fictional video? He actually used a trashcan. No electrician has ever said, “Where’s the garbage can? I’d like to clean up my mess.”
I’m not an electrician or a plumber, I’m a mechanic with a fair bit of electrical experience on a wide variety of things but why is the wire marked “E” on one end, clearly going into an earth and an upside down “W” on the other end on the water pipe. Is that standard practice there?
Idk what I'm watching here but it looks cool
As a lineman, a couple times a year we get trouble calls where home owners have voltage on their shower heads and sink faucets and they are getting shocked when they touch it. I measured 60 volts on a shower head pipe before. Its because years ago, before I was even thought of, it was normal practice to ground the neutral of the underground house service to the water pipe. The neutral slowly corroded over the years and the house started looking for a neutral elsewhere, like someone barefooted standing on the bathroom tile and touching the shower faucet.
Oddly enough, we don't bond pipework which isn't introducing the potential you're standing on for this reason. Not that even a wet bathroom floor should be anywhere near conductive enough to be a hazard.
Also, we don't have neutrals which quietly corrode away with no testing ever occuring, but that's another problem for another day.
I find that if electricians are "shocked" by something it's probably incorrect, but I'm not an electrician so I'll leave figuring out what to them.
Its never good practice to mount or ground to another trades' work because you can never guarantee that they wont have to delete or relocate their copper pipes
This is a perfect example of what NOT to do while installing ground wires. Water pipes are not part of your electrical installation.
Anything with a potential is part of your electrical installation.
I don’t know what you did, but you look professional and I’m interested 😅