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It's honestly incredible how something as simple as CHARACTER AGES is still something Blizzard is failing at.
It's because it's a complete free-for-all. There's no direction or management. Some employee who probably has nothing to do decided to update the character bios for fun and got the idea signed off on by some middle manager that doesn't even know what all the character's name are
I'm surprised that I'm surprised they screwed their own lore up.
I could have sworn I've seen a funny comment chain of yours before on UA-cam with someone who had kinda the same avatar. lol
Ahem. Anyway. It's not incredible, it's perfectly expected.
@Scarface-cx2rl You surprised people angry for an creator not even understanding of their character and world they building, really? Blizzard selling the OW2 for PVE, the gameplay is ruined and now we see they don't even understand their own story, how can they able to made good story for the PVE content?
Diversity hires
I wonder who at Blizzard genuinely thought that this was important over just fixing the game and actually making it fun.
The answer is almost always marketing or the C-suite
Making the game f u n ? That doesn’t sound very profitable for a game…
LMAO I had the same thought
Fun!?
The group doing the lore (or breaking it, in this case) isn't the group who would be debugging or altering the game, I imagine.
Something I just checked that put me into hysterics, when Overwatch launched back in 2016, Zenyatta was 20 years old, and given the fact it it appears most characters were aged up by 2 years, which makes you think “okay so he’d be 22” NOPE HE’S 33 NOW. My man meditated so hard he aged 13 years in 2, that’s like 6.5x faster than what the laws of the universe should allow.
he aged in robot years
The Iris bro… The Iris.
Going off that original age that would also make zen younger that the omnic crisis lol
I don't mean to be the pedantic one but if you accelerated Earth to relatavistic speeds for a long enough time, and assuming you were on somewhere else not being accelerated as drastically, the universe not only allows, but forces those on Earth to age more slowly than you do. So technically it is possible to age at a rate of 6.5 years/year, or any non-negative number of years per year as the velocity of the planet and/or you approach light speed.
Tldr: General Relativity is weird
@@varsinious477which isn’t weird, it’s not like they’ll stop making omnics
Imagine making no story for a 99% PVP multiplayer shooter and *STILL* getting your own lore wrong.
Even fortnite do it better 💀
The guy who created most of the lore has left the Overwatch team a long time ago before Overwatch 2 was released.
@@AscendantStoic true, tho it doesn't mean you can't do basic due diligence and not make such elementary mistakes
r34 artists have a better knowledge of the lore of the game than Blizzard to be honest.
@@SinebeastNot only more knowledge, but more passion, talent, creativity and even more content under their belt than the actual OW devs. Its genuinely hilarious.
Blizzard 7 years ago: Here's a game advertised with characters with unique and incredible backstories
Blizzard now: What backstories?
X16 times the details, it just works
Phara and Baptist recently got a complete character development, if it was a Netflix show. (for people who ask what I mean, Blizzard tell us there sexualitys)
Blizzard retconning????? Never that!
The backstories weren’t actually complex. It’s a facade meant to hype stuff up
I am flabbergasted by this. As a writer, I worry constantly about keeping my story consistent, building entire timelines to cross check what I do, to be sure I don't screw up. That Blizzard can't keep their own timeline straight is absolutely astounding. Have they really not made a simple internal timeline before?
They have made super solid timeline's, but once you hire people for stroywriting based on their fetishes in their bedroom it starts to take away from the quality of storywriting.
You have to care to keep track of that stuff.
I think OP means an actual written out timeline guide sheet, with written dates and everything
To be fair keeping track of consistency in one's lore can be difficult, Chris Metzen had to be questioned by fans a few times in the past, so it is certainly not as easy as many people would think.
But yes, when it comes to OW you would expect Blizzard to at least know the correct ages if not the entire backstory of their characters. Not too disappointing though, what remains of the OW crew likely doesn't have the same passion for it as the original.
@@EJ_Red It is difficult, no question about it. But keeping track of the age of characters shouldn't be one of them, if you have at least a basic timeline of events. Which feels like the minimum any lore keeper should do, no? It's just bizarre that Blizzard obviously hasn't done that.
I have worked enough years in an office environment to instantly notice that this is a case of giving the intern something harmless to do and they decided to ask them to "idk maybe think of their age" and ofc without prior knowledge of the lore the interns just think of the age based on how they look, call it a day and go home
Yup, sounds pretty much like that.
And even someone who had no idea of the lore should at least know that the characters would look younger than they are simply due to the artstyle.
so if that's so...
How are half of the characters like 40?
They have no wrinkles or grey hair and they're 49??? (looking at Sombra)
@@godzillagamer7512there are plenty of people in their 40s who don't have grey hair or wrinkles. It's not some impossible thing to believe.
@@godzillagamer7512 magic
and I mean that quite literally.
or some science stuff. that is what world building is for
@@godzillagamer7512you might want to look at a larger variety of real people around that age, grey hair & wrinkles aren't guaranteed to happen before or by 50.
Humans full stop don't all age in a linear predicable fashion, some anecdotal examples, my father grayed as he hit 50 & you could clearly see a difference between his 40s & 50s. Whereas my mum looks as young as her 40s as she does now in 50s.
Anyway have a good one.
One of the biggest things that has become a problem is that many of the original writers of Overwatch's lore stepped down and now the new people taking over are retconning some stuff to better fit their own narrative. Fully established stuff is being destroyed to satisfy personal fanfics.
Sounds like something that happens with every established IP we currently have, from games to movies to novels.
Yeah, I heard the Mercy and Genji spawn room interactions have been entirely removed, and that their interactions in the PvE mode was rather hostile and that they weren't writing to each other anymore. One of the new writers is a Pharah/Mercy shipper, so if any of this is true, it's highly disappointing.
Seriously? That’s just self sabotage if that’s true. The whole draw to overwatch in the first place are the characters, their dynamics and interactions. Why would they willingly remove that? If they want to ship pharah with somebody why don’t they make a new overwatch operative? Seriously it isn’t that hard!
@@bread_bear7878 Apparently it would be pretty hard for them if this is their honest best effort.
Are you still playing though?
I have a feeling that Kiriko was originally meant to be late 20's early 30's, but Blizzard did some analytics and thought younger female characters sell better.
This is why Illari is 18, even though it would make much more sense if she was in her mid 20s.
Riot:
I wouldn't be shocked dude. Maybe I'm reaching but like Kiriko really feels like they were just trying to pander to the anime crowd "looks guys, a cute, quirky, young Japanese woman with cool magical powers! Now spend money and go make r34!"
Illari is 18?! Wth that makes no sense
For real, and the way that they're making a big deal that she's the youngest character even though there are Omnics younger than her is honestly just gross. It's clear they just wanted to appeal to the crowd of "barely legal" enjoyers. I hate it
@@eminempregI mean kiriko is just lazy as shit, she COULD have been a unique character, but instesd she's a glorified shimada because "haha japanese people are ninjas :D".
It baffles me that the same studio that had an algorithm to make "diverse" characters managed to just make another token japanese ninja character. Plus, magical "spiritual" kitsune, kunai, and sake... Like they chose every low hanging fruit and combined them all into her design. Diversity is one thing, but kiriko just feels like a hodgepodge of stereotypes thrown together, ultimately just making her feel more like a token character. Might just be how I see her but God she's easily my least favorite character introduced into the game.
OW2 is now one of those situations where the drama is far more fun than the game is.
and porn. Lots of porn.
@@damearstor2120 correct. Haram, but correct.
🍿,🔥🌎🔥 = ❤
@@damearstor2120 Still the best part about Overwatch, tbh. 😏 😂
Most of classic fighting games it’s where they showed char bios specially on select screen
Overwatch has this kind of story where the less concrete informations we have, the more solid it is.
Height and age is something that seems to be pretty inconsistent when you try to compare everything with everything, so the fact that Blizzard even attempted to give us ages without any regards for cannon makes me laugh.
And Cassidy being either 25 or 100+ years old is just peak comedy.
i don't get why people are talking about this now these have been there ages since 2016, they just added +2 to them on the website
@@lilwintery6434 because they decided to make an event out of giving every character their official final age without lining up their ages or changing around the events of the OW bible, so as to not cause a discrepancy as big as Hanzo and Genji looking like children in their 20s or Cassidy potentially being immortal.
@@icyatlasartworks the ages are consistent with their ages from 2016/release the only thing they did is age them up, but i agree the characters in ow never looked their ages, idk why people are making it seem like they just made these numbers up right now
also there is no event, i play this game pretty regularly few times a week and i would have never known they finally updated the birthdates on the website, if i didn't see this video
also cassidy being immortal is a joke
@@lilwintery6434 Not looking their ages is one thing, especially since a lot of people still think DVa is underage and Mercy looks younger than she is because of her suit, but Hanzo and Genji looking like they were barely a few years older than Kiriko in the art of them meeting as kids makes no sense. This also wasn't helped by them specifically writing her as the childhood friend to Genji, who would have been 16 when she was born.
@@lilwintery6434mccree* also it is absolutely inconsistent, the genji/Hanzo/kiriko thing is a huge oversight
Sojurn completing university, officer training and being promoted to captain before turning 20 is exactly the Mary Sue writing I'd expect.
Going up three officer ranks before being able to legally inherit property, drink in a lot of places, and gamble is impressive.
And here I thought making Sergeant by my second tour was impressive. Dude is going places.
is the chris redfield effect
She is a fast learner
@@khootjenkins6248only thing faster than her learning ability was her ability to tank the meta.
Got back into the game for a few months back when it went f2p and honestly I got GTAO flashbacks.
Idunno which is worse.
Her, or the Oppressor MK2
Flip a coin honestly 😂
you can join the military at 15 here in canada
Blizzard how the hell did you mess up the lore this badly? You MADE THE LORE! At least we can all be sure that the characters are all legal for what's really popular with Overwatch
The original OW staff is no longer there so the new guys are just guessing
its pretty easy to not care when you are being abused at your job by your bosses. "cosby suite"
But weren’t the ages already pubblic? I remember things like genji being 23 or something during ov1 and other things and mercy being 40.
@@orochinagisKiriko is a character made for Overwatch 2 so these should be the same guys who created her
@@alessandrolamera8857 I honestly don't know, I never paid too much attention to their ages, just how old they were/looked generally
At this point I am convinced that Blizzard is legitimately _incapable_ of doing something right.
Like the moment that anyone at the company attempts to do something that would generate positive PR, their body just physically convulses and retracts away from their work station.
They write down how inclusive and happy they are. That is their work nothing else.
I think the sexual harrasment did that
Probably all the drinking and female assault they do that makes them convulse
They were so averse to "frat boy culture" that they sacked all the "frat boys" who were also the company's only competent people. Now they're left with staff who don't know what they're doing.
But hey, at least they're diverse and inclusive now! Who needs actual skill anyway? /s
The money, that's what
Wow, I remember in Overwatch 1 Mercy I think was in her 60's but the lore was so good at healing people (and such a good doctor with a lot of experience given her age) she looked as good as she does as a result. A cool bit of lore that physically showed her character skills, but now, she is just in her 30's and is still somehow an amazing doctor despite her age dictating she maybe has 10 years of experience in the field at best.
Nope. Mercy was in her 30s in Overwatch 1.
@@RealFunnyCinemayeah her first bit of lore was that she was a teenage prodigy overwatch picked up
Mercy being 40~+ woulda been so much cooler
I could’ve sworn she was in her 40s
She was always 30
Overwatch is the king of “golden child gone bad.” If it dies, I would be sad, but unsurprised.
So unlike Activision to take a great foundation for a game series and let their bean counters and marketing teams come in and rip it apart.
@@HumanPerson_final Blizzard had plenty of experience beforehand as well. You can never discount the power created when two forces of evil merge together.
I feel bad for the people that put their heart into it like Jeff Kaplan and for everyone that'll be on clean up duty. Considering how badly China took it, imagine that on a worldwide scale. Then add that OW won't go quietly into the night; they're going to do some huge stunt that's going to take them out in a massive mess.
Overwatch is basically a frankenstein concept of a scrapped game. It got far but it needs a hard reset.
It NEEDS to die so something good can take its place.
This could mean one of 3 things: Blizz does not have (or lost) its lore masters for OW, the ones who made these 'official' ages were either rushed, pressured, disorganized or incompetent, or it could be more executive skullduggery getting in the way. When OW1 was still around, it had a certain level of consistency in its world building. Now the continuity appears to be falling apart, as if an entirely new dev team has replaced the old one...
They did, losing Michael Chu is something this game has never recovered from.
Hopefully they just put the dying dog that is Overwatch out of it's misery and shut the servers down for good. OW2 is pretty much dead anyway
OW1 only had consistency in its world building in that it barely had any. Hard to contradict lore when there isn't any to contradict.
@@PeachesHoneyBun ah the imfamous confirmation that Genji still has his penis micheal chu was wild for that one haha
@@ImTheAaa999 Mercy should be ZERO since she should be deleted from the game
A funny but subtle one is Zarya being 30, despite the Omnic crisis started close to 30 years ago itself, meaning Zarya couldn't have fought in the Omnic crisis unless she was basically a child soldier. But the hilarious part there is Zarya became infamous for ripping a tank weapon off it's hinges and using it as a personal weapon, meaning Zarya was basically the Hulk at a young age.
Hilarious when you consider that one of the biggest parts of Overwatch lore is the Omnic's and their fight for their rights, and yet even Blizzard themselves fail to acknowledge Orisa, an Omnic, as being the youngest character.
Almost as if the company doesn't believe in the worldview they claim in their games
From a lore standpoint orisa isn't exactly an omnic, she is a robot yes but unlike zen and ram she follows like echo a programmed algorithm that their creators gave them to mimic human behavior.
Real omnics started out as normal work drones who achieved sentience during the omnic crisis. There is a reason ram said they are a dieing species as no new omnics can be "built".
Blizzard don't give a crab about omnics. Re-watch the Mcree cinematic, and watch the omnic sniper get shot in the face... twice
@@HappyBeezerStudios orsia isn't really an omnic in the same way zen or ram are, shes is a robot made by a child after the crisis
It does bring into consideration of what makes an Omnic human? Their chasis? Or their Software? How do you define their age when those two can be separate? Is age important if they don’t actually age? Or if they learn differently than humans?
Reading about all this makes me question just how much of the narrative/world building was altered since Michael Chu, the original lore master, left Blizzard.
I mean you cant tell me there is not some sort of "Lore Bible" that keeps that shit in line... and if theres none.. There should be.
Never underestimate the lore masters who say “come on, that makes no sense.”
@@Kairos_Akumaeven Manga artist has character footnotes, as well as authors. Blizzard is just terrible, in general.
@@Xport9Sadly, I've seen footnotes being ignored in the past. Samus from Metroid had official artist footnotes asking not to give her heels way back in Zero Mission.
You can see how that turned out in later official games.
@ultraspinalki11 she looks good on high heels, though.
In addition, we're talking about general lore, not character designs. Character redesigns (clothing, appearances, depending on how it is implemented on said lore) happens all the time.
Never forget that Blizzard once wrote it's lore using a diversity chart. They would numerically value the diverse traits of their characters. Who is the most ethnic? Who is the most cultured? What makes someone more sexually oriented than others? They said it without saying it; 0 means 'normal' to them. They were out of touch enough to try and deliver it as positive news.
Adding that stuff is always a death sentence. Games or otherwise
Honestly with today's climate I'm not too sure why so many people saw that as a bad thing
What does "more sexually oriented" even mean? Your orientation is just what you like, not how much you like something
@@victorraymond3420on the dumb chart it means everyone not straight gets more diversity points
Nothing good will ever come out of using such an insane method.
Mercy is one of the biggest examples of having the wrong age. It says she's 39 but it explicitly states that her suit and use of technology has been keeping her artificially youthful. I always assumed she was like... probably in her 50s or 60s. So not super old but still old enough where signs of aging SHOULD have been very apparent but were counter acted by her suit.
She was 37 back in OW1
She has been in her 30s
Women age quite poorly compared to men.
I assume they meant this as more an explanation for why she looks like she's in her 20s when she's actually approaching 40-one of the most important points of her backstory is that she was orphaned as a fairly young child during the Crisis 30-35-ish years ago, so her being in her mid-late 30s does make sense. I even have a fuzzy memory of Blizzard openly admitting that the old art showing her with the Overwatch founders was an error/retconned.
Ya know that does make me question Moria then since her suit can both take(more with that) and give life in that she doesn't look more like a hag.
How bad does the game have to be that Source Film Maker and the Hub can’t even get you fans?
People play games for gameplay
OW really went to lawbreakers real quick
At least LB only died once tho
@@applehazeva2739 Lawbreakers atleast had some dignity to shutdown instead of trying ridiculous practices to see if it sticks.
@@GuessWhatHappened1 You underestimate gacha players
@@GuessWhatHappened1Oh, there’s a lot of ’playing’ on the hub.
Kirikos* age is pretty egregious in the sense that the OW2 team that made her would also have made her age in this post. If they can't even remember the lore they created less than a year ago, I don't have faith the story missions would have been coherent
This is a perfect comment, sums up my lack of surprise
Thank you Blizzard for making me feel more secure about my writing and world building; i can't fuck it up more than you did
I always think that I should practice more, built more of a good foundation of a few stories and characters before I even ATTEMPT to start writing my short stories book.
But when you see big companies doing this, you have to wonder, why even try to make something compelling. Just shit it out, who cares, someone will buy it.
Honestly? I wrote most of mine by my second revision.
preach!
I’ve thought about this a lot…
And it looks like people will judge you if you write something wrong *Even if so simple* but proceed to cheer games with shit writing…
Like I literally have a friend that every time I mention something so fking dumb in a game he answers with “He’s a very known writer! I’m sure he did that on purpose and it’s not wrong, it’s a coincidence”
But when a character I wrote cries because he literally lost his family, he answers with “Your writing is so dramatic, You have to change it”
This is why you need to create a personal lore Bible. Even if you never release it. It will save you screwing up details and prevent plot holes.
Blizzard cannot do a thing right at this point. And they deserve every bit of hate they get.
They deserve to go bankrupt. People need to stop supporting them.
@@Ostnizdasht206we support them (barely) because they have made some of our favorite games, we just wish they’d listen to us
@@Dalgoons Nothing lasts forever. All great things must come to an end. With that said, Blizzard, has to end. Let it go, the glory days are over, let the corpse rest.
That is no longer Blizzard; that parasite Activision, has already possessed it. You have to let it go.
Star Wars retconned a ton of lore too when Disney took over. There was a hard line for what was canon and what was legacy. Considering that Blizzard has never made a Story before, this represents a fresh start. I wouldn't put so much stake in old twitter posts, pictures and bios and consider them holy to the backstory of the game. The story starts now.
@@liamharrington6672 so what you are saying is that everything about the lore we fell in love with just never happened? Yeah that makes a lot of sense🙄
It's pretty obvious that the people who decided the character ages are not the same that invented the original lore. We know that most senior staff of blizzard left over the years and seeing this it's not unreasonable to assume that most people that used to work there moved on and were replaced with people who had no idea about all that stuff
Blizzard is just a dead corpse puppeteered by Bobby Kottick nowadays. This company has become the exact opposite of what it represented during the first half of its existence.
these are the same ages from 2016 just ow2 takes place like 2 years later so they just added +2 to everyones age
@@lilwintery6434at the end of the day shity writing is shity writing
@@lilwintery6434 wouldnt that make orisa atleast 2 years old? it shows her as 1 year old lol...
@@lilwintery6434 Wouldn't D'va be 21, then? She was 19 initially, and now she's 22. Also, as someone else said, Orisa should be 2 or 3 instead of 1
Blizzard: "RELEASE THE DARTBOARD!"
Also the Sojourn sister thing is kinda on-brand for Blizzard...yuck!
definitely on brand for Blizzard to promote pedophilia.
At least they flatten pictures on walls in WoW so they are not too rauchy...
Remember back when the best part of OW was when a new lore video comes out because they add so much and is so well done?
and then they went "the in-game voice lines aren't canon"
they made good shorts, but there was never really any big unifying story other than vague mentions of events that happened at some point in the past. kind of felt like they were making it up as they went and now it's biting them in the butt
Now the best part is the R34.
Nah, the best part of OverWatch has always been the porn.
what i really wanna know is what war crime Blizzard is trying to cover up and/or distract from
At this point it could be anything. People are already letting them slide with multiple SA cases and just shitty overall work environment. They can definitely get away with more.
Ever since Kiriko debuted, I instantly knew that they had fucked up the lore between her and the Shimada brothers. How could they be almost 20 years older than her and yet they met when they were kids? And how come this went under everyone's radar until now? I've complained about this so many times but no one paid attention.
Because people were HOPING OW2 can be successful again, and were blinded by the bs Blizzards been doing for the pass 6 years of fck ups. But now there fking so much its harder to be blinded and the cracks are forming.
I mean... they didn't even give a damn about the mass outcry of the content they had to shave off of OW2's PvE stuff... so is it really surprising they'd ignore individuals who bring up lore inconsistencies? 😂
You can tell that Blizzard really has just given up in even trying to make this game better. It's basically just running through the motions so they can continue to milk what's left of the fanbase.
I caught that but I wasn't confident in my lore knowledge so I just let it pass. I knew kiriko was clearly designed to get players to come back so I was skeptical about her quality.
Dude, the audiences brains are fried 😂
I’ve been through something like this before too. Only it was about a parent being abusive towards their kid in a… certain way. It was obvious but the audience didn’t want to see it cause they just didn’t want it to be true
The only way they can fix the entire Kiriko situation is if they do some BS "lore bomb" and say that Kiriko had actually died at a young age and had her body possessed by the fox spirit who has a very very specific obsession with donuts or some random shit which is why that's all she ever eats and never ages.
I didn't know Kiriko had grown up with the Shimada (didn't know anything about her since I left the game long before her release). I remember the memes when she was released about how Blizzard thinks all Japanese people are ninjas and can wall run; apparently Blizzard also thinks that Japan is just one small village and they all know each other?
I am still laughing that all 3 japanese characters in OW know how to wall run/climb and a frickin gorilla with a jet pack cant.
The reason they know each other is kirikos mom was a higher up in the shimada clan and trained genji and hanzo
@@crossdaboss8914 so all Japanese people know each other?
@EastlakeRasta7 why are you putting words in my mouth I never said that?
officially she was a niece figure to the two brothers, people just assumed "grew up" around the brothers as fact that she grew up with them
The Pharah & Mercy ages I find personally baffling, as I remember when I used to be in the Overwatch scene that the former was at least in her mid-twenties, thus the original photo of her being an child
Dunno why but I have the strange feeling Blizzard changed it to make that popular "Pharmacy" ship fans really like have a less wide age-gap and make it more "safe"(??)
Which if it that does end up being the case, then I don't understand why anyone over there would think that needed to be changed since nobody in the fandom really minded the age-gap originally when shipping them. But now it'll just be another bizarre case of Blizzard trying to save face to it's continually shrinking audience @_@
Mercy and Pharah always had a 5 year age gap, and that was established early in the lore.
Which is weird cause it was clear mercy and genji were a couple… they just kept it on the down low.
@@zerotodona1495 not a couple but potentially going to be one till they retconned it around the launch of OW2
I think Mercy was youngish when she joined Overwatch, like around 19-22, but young Pharah looks no older than 12 in the picture tho!
@@leonforde4934 and then after you think about it you remember mercy is OLD.
Looks dont mean shit when it comes to mercy, her medical inventions stopped her aging.
If they literally did this to ship another rainbow couple this is just fucking absurd
I'm no professional story writer or anything, but when you're creating characters for a story, shouldn't their ages be like one of the first things you establish? Did they not write those down somewhere and have to BS ages on the fly? Or were these always their intended ages and they just like... didn't notice any issues for 7 whole years?!
EDIT: Kinda thought this comment would slip under the radar; I wasn't expecting to see genuine answers from writers of various levels of experience (I'd say Blizzard should be taking notes from you guys, but we all know they wouldn't care enough to listen or try).
OW1 was full of voice quips that established relative ages and relations of characters. Every other match started with two characters chatting about how Mei spent a decade or two being frozen, or Mercy not aging like Ana and Soldier because of her healing tech, or indeed how badly Soldier has aged.
The original writer(s) had things thought out, but Blizzard has thrown out quality together with all their talent.
Personally in my own novel series I establish my main character's age in the first book and hint at how old the other characters look, but since I am absolutely shit at staying consistent with timeskips and the like I quickly came up with the idea they all turn out to be mythical creatures like angels and vampires who don't really age the same way as humans. So now in my fourth book my mc should be somewhere around his 50s but I honestly don't give a shit as that isn't important to the story I wanna tell. He is half angel anyway, so for all I know he could be youthful right up until he turns 1000.
Maybe not their exact ages, but a generic age range so you don't screw up something like the age of Kiriko being 20 years younger than Genji and Hanzo when she in fact grew up with them and they didn't look that much younger than them.
Writer here. The way I stay consistent is to commit the character's Date of Birth and the exact year of the story taking place in order to find a good age range. If one character is older than 5 years, then I'd be sure to put in their date of birth there and then age them to the current timeframe of the story taking place, such as "Malcolm is born on the 22nd of June back in 1999. When the stock second market crash occurred at 2035, he is currently in his mid 30s at this point (or 36 or 37). Now I've never been great at math besides basic arithmetics, but if you do some basic math to help gauge the years of the character's ages, it can help determine an official age. I got mine already for my novel as well, but for characters who are Eternal (Those who will never age and never die unless God wills it) are not allow to have an age, while those who are Immortal (Those who cannot die by old age) are allowed to be aged, but it isn't always a necessity to get an exact number if you don't feel that is too important, if anything estimate them around a thousand year age and apply it to the lore where it is uncertain to know their age due xyz reasons.
@@westleyramirez3036 It really shouldn't be that difficult. Like you said: You establish your characters early on. Looks, personality, heritage, age, etc.
Write it down in a spreadsheet or whatever.
Then you establish when your story takes place and when you have a time skip, you either add or detract the age accordingly. If your book takes place in 2030 and your character is 30 years old, he'd be 10 when you go back 20 years ... and 50 when you go forward 20 years. It's not rocket science, really. The trickier part ist to actually adjust their behaviour to their then changed age ... or general circumstances. People behave differently when the world is bleak (like after a serious stock market crash, perhaps), as opposed to when everything's generally rather good.
And if you bring in new characters in a sequel, etc. you have to just compare your notes. Personally, I'd say "Don't do major revelations no one saw coming", like "this new character that's never been mentioned was this old character's father" or sth like that. I think this never really works, unless you've planned this from the beginning of book 1 and set it up appropriately, like your character referring to his missing father at some points in the story/backstory.
Personally, I just don't understand why Blizzard can't even get such simple things right. I can understand lore inconsistencies in something as massive as WoW, but OW barely HAS any lore to begin with. It doesn't even fill a quarter of a book, to be honest, maybe 10/20 pages in total, but even with WoW they simply don't "think", they just "do" and everything that came before suddenly no longer has any meaning. That makes the world ... boring, because at any point anything that has happened up until this point could just be irrelevant with the next patch. Like the whole "Jailer" fiasco.
I'm baffled by the removal of free loot boxes in exchange for 20 dollar skins, or the 15 dollar battle pass, I'd rather pay 30 dollars for a game you don't have to spend more money on
Don't worry every consumer would as well. Fun fact though, Activision doesn't want that though
Boy do I have a game for you
Lets face it, anyone who bought into the battle passrs and skins are at fault. They encouraged this behavior by making the model work...
But then they can't milk you for years on end while drip fed a tiny bit of boring free content to string you along like a husk/puppet.
Or $60 for a better game. Like AC6.
For me when I look at that "official" age list, it looks to me like they ran the profile pictures of the characters through one of those "Guess my age" apps, and then just went with the result.
Which would be absolutely hilarious, but also really stupid.
The Pharah Mercy thing is a big oof. Yeah someone in Blizzard is a Pharah Mercy shipper and wants to ship an adult with someone who she already knew as a kid. It is weird when Batman did it, it's just as weird when Pharah and Mercy does it.
Blizzard: How can we further tarnish what little is left of our reputation?
Overwatch Team: Yes.
People make jokes about how writers' behind-the-scenes timeline charts look like Sherlock deduction boards that have reached "Pepe Silvia" levels, but in all honesty, despite how ridiculous they can look, a timeline chart can _really_ help a team of writers keep their stories straight.
blizzard decided to go with one sticky note that says "pepe silvia" on it instead
Remember when McCree's voice actor played Overwatch and could convince people that his Ultimate was popping in voice chat?
Matthew Mercer?
It's pretty bad when fanfiction writers put far more effort into writing character lore and backstory than official companies with their own games.
My best friend and I writer fanfiction and created an expanded universe for it, continuing cannon characters' lives and given them families. And we still go by through each story and make sure ages and dates match up. How can a large company fail where two fans handle with care and careful planning?
Cause money and not giving a single shit about it.
You're a fan. YOU CARE. They don't as long it makes them money
That pretty common, fans often put ton of efforts into world building, because they love it and are some irritated by bad world building and plot holes. It does not always go right but sometimes it does.
@@brendenhawley2225I've seen it said of the Harry Potter franchise in particular that it has inspired so much fanfiction because it's well written enough to make people want more adventures in that world, but also poorly enough that people want to fix the issues they see in the world and how it was written. This combination of of promise and unfulfilled potential seems to be the sweet spot for creating a fanfiction-attracting franchise. Blizzard created a vibrant world full of colorful characters when they first developed Overwatch, and then proceeded to spaff it up a wall: people want something to release their pent up excitement from that initial promise, and that's where fanfic comes in to bridge the gap between what the creators promised and what was actually delivered.
I've done worldbuilding as well, and had real trouble keeping the timeline and ages consistent. You can't have an event be 70 years ago and the characters appear like in their late 30s/early 40s without some trick. And in the end I had to add a whole generation and keep people frozen for decades to make things work.
And it is pretty simple. You have events in time, those happened X years ago. And if you want to have a character be involved, they need to be at least X years old.
@@HappyBeezerStudios In one of my projects I handled this by doing a lot of my initial worldbuilding in the form of a collection of letters, diary entries, and other such dated writings by the "primer character:" a character who isn't the protagonist of the overarching project, but the character who's actions as described in this supplementary material provided the impetus for the events and characters that actually feature in the mainline works. In this case this was a set of plays built around a fictitious new religion, so I wrote the correspondence and notebooks of the religion's founder. Over the course of writing these I was able to work in characters that would appear in the mainline works at appropriate points in the timeline, work out how the religion this character founded would've been shaped by her life experiences, and figure out how she, her religion, and its members fit into the wider world. In a way I pre-wrote my own fanfic.
IIRC Brigitte was said to be 16 when she was introduced in the game.
Let me break down Actilizzard logic for this:
We deleted promised story/lore content, but it seems the masses wanted that for some reason
Let us give you some random snippets of writing so we can maintain the facade of caring about the lore - it will barely cost us anything and those people will swallow it like pelicans.
:o Pikachu face.
she was 16, dafuck???? at the start now she is 18?????
@@soggybubble I mean it was one of the big points of why she was a "Squire" Reinhart didn't want a fucking child soldier.
You know theres a problem when the sfm community have a better understanding of the games history than blizzards own lore masters
I'm willing to bet there are no lore masters for OW at Blizzard. Anyone who gave af left.
As the masters of "that" content, they gotta know the age range for their titles lol
I never seen anyone actually in the community talk about this news yet. This has been their ages since ow1, they just added +2 years to everyone now. There's no retcon. Most people who know ow lore know that ow2 is set 2 years after ow1.
@@FatalPhenom Most likely when Jeff left, everyone just set sailed to the sunset.
Honestly, to me Overwatch is just an adult animation series. The game feels like a weird spin off.
It’s understood the peoples ages don’t match one to one to their appearance, but in this game it’s taken to an absolutely ridiculous level (pun intended)
Shit don't match in real life.
I agree this isnt video worthy
Like Ashe being almost 50.
They have flying robots and people casting weird arse magic like technologies so it’s possible. The lore is just weird because it doesn’t make sense.
@@GuessWhatHappened1 yeah, this shitty mess of a "game" doesnt deserve more atention
one thing that wasnt mentioned and that really annoys me, in the existing lore it is mentioned that kiriko was 12 years old when the shimada clan fell , considering her new age shes suddenly 9 , like what
Blizz forgor
The story has already been retconned a few times. I remember Dva used to be a Starcraft champion originally as a sort of tie in with Blizzard's other IP, but later was changed to just being the champion of some unspecified game that got her in the sights of military recruiters. With the departure of the original lead writer for Overwatch (Michael Chu) this was bound to happen, things were going to start misalign, but it's not like the lore of the characters was always clearly defined prior to it. Lots of the backstories were left incomplete because the game wasn't really intended to focus on the story, but what little they had was interesting enough to catch the attention of the players and they started asking for more. So they started to fill in gaps and then a lot of these issues started to appear.
Fucking DVA's backstory made no sense, it would've worked if she was an FPS pro-gamer or even being a pro at those oversized arcade cabinets where you simulate being a fighter pilot or tank, but NOO, they decided that being an rts player has potential for being a frontline soldier
"because the game wasn't really intended to focus on the story"
I sort of understand where you are coming from, but also want to disagree quite a bit. Most of Overwatch is just aspects of Project Titan which was first and foremost always designed as a PVE story-focused game.
You may want to say it's different from Overwatch, but that's not the case. Developers themselves admitted that Overwatch 1 and Overwatch 2 originally were just steps towards a true realization of Project Titan's vision..
(Though yes, this does not explain or justify the inconsistencies)
@@clockwerk35 Dva's backstory was originally created for original Overwatch 1, which was less of an FPS and more of a MOBA. With the more casual game design they used to have in 2016, I believe her backstory makes a lot more sense when you think about it that way.
@clockwerk35 Iirc, it had to do with her manually controlling the defense matrex, tagging incoming rounds for destruction by her mech. Yes, it is a stupid bit of lore
@@Nayutune The original concept maybe, but no OW was not intended to focus on story. Its a PVP game first. Thats just a fact.
Writers at Blizzard writing detailed lore about 12 year old's giving birth is super weird.
😂😂😂😂
Considering their reported office environment, it kinda makes sense.
tbh and unfortunately, its not so uncommon here in Brazil; even thats against the law, couples of girls of 10~14yo with dudes of +20yo, if its not on TV, people don't care either.
When I saw Kiriko being 21… I knew the rest of the list wouldn’t make any sense… I was totally right lol
Overwatch 1 seemed like such a love-project. Classic blizzard style. Would been interesting to make a documentary about what happend between game one and two about their company culture.
Simple. Greed happened. They learned they could get away with Battle Passes and Loot boxes and MTX's, and then they decided to eliminate the one single reason OW2 even existed. Greed, plain and simple
@@Demonlord4546 And Kotick. Can't talk about greed at ActiBlizz without the cockroach himself.
OW1 wasn't perfect but you could really tell they wanted it to be great. OW was a dead project as soon as Jeff quit IMO.
Ah, easy answer, the culture went to the crapper.
@Alex-qq1gm it was pretty balanced when it launched they ruined it with the very first balance patch. Then it got worse from there.
Bro you KNOW why they did this LOL
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@@nvytebhygtvbvtyebr Rule 34, probably.
@@nvytebhygtvbvtyebrwithout watching the video yet, I’m guessing age of consent
@@nvytebhygtvbvtyebryou know why.
@@nvytebhygtvbvtyebr Considering your username and ignorance, it's for an adult reason that you're too young to understand.
This screams "people wanted to get to know our characters so we just threw something together." so hard.
Also,
Complete speculation on my part but I wonder if the Mercy/Farah mistake was influenced by making it a "reaosnable" age gap by making mercy younger than she should be, since mercyXfarah is a popular ship. (I put reasonable in quotes because mercy knew Farah as a younger teen so I just don't think that's good for people to date people who were adults and knew them as kids, even if the person is over 18 when the realtionship starts, so, to me, the context already trumps the reasonable age gap cuz the context smacks of realtionship based power unbalance between these two, but obv they aren't cannon so this isn't a critisism of blizzard as much as its a theory.)
Blizzard wouldn't be having these issues today if they actually established consistent lore and bios for their characters from the get-go instead of letting their fanbase write their characters for them.
You mean the animators from adult websites? 😂😂
@@cherrydragon3120they do better work than Blizzard at this point.
Honestly I've been wondering about the timeline for a while considering something irked me about the Reinhardt, Torbjorn, Brigitte, Pharah, and Ana timeline and I can finally see that this wasn't my fault.
I completely forgot about that photo. Which then in turn make the pharmercy bait that Blizzard is doing more along the creepy side.
I'm fully convinced that Blizzard is trying to make new controversies to distract from the already existing ones.
Same
well they're gonna have to top drinking mommy milk and molesting women. they should start a trafficking ring
Like an "outrage ponzi", hahah, that would really be something. But yeah, I'm with you, seems legit, hard to even imagine you can mess up that badly again and again.
Because addressing the ages was way more paramount than working on a story mode.
Super important so the adult websites won't get banned for putting virtual fictional minors in their video's
@@cherrydragon3120 Ages has never stopped people before in terms of those things.
Unfortunately Blizzard isn’t the only one who’s being clumsy with their lore. A lot of other gaming studios are constantly changing the narrative of their lore depending on what microtransactions they are releasing that week.
This is the problem with Microtransactions your lore can't mean alot if you've got to create goofy wacky costumes to sell.
Gods. Seeing this comment made me think "What game even does this?" And then like, 5 games immediately came to mind. There's probably more if I think about it any more, but I will choose not to.
I would imagine that since it's Overwatch we're talking about, a game people really cared and had a lot of focus on the lore it makes it sting more and adds to the pile of bullshit
Why even bother with lore at this point?
Overwatch 2 is the most impressive game of the decade. It impresses me because every time it hits rock bottom and I think it couldn't dig deeper if it tried, they manage to find a way.
the bar is on the ground and they bring a shovel
I'm starting to think they are doing it on purpose.
Blizzard did have a Loremaster, but in the wave of QA and Customer Service reps getting axed because they don't bring in money, they also got axed
The common sentiment shared about Team 4 is that they've been put through the ringer by higher ups at the company for years and are constantly having their focuses redirected and shifted and given over-inflated expectations from them, but "they love the game and want to share the amazing world with the fans because they love it so much too.
It only makes the taste more bitter when you consider how in February with their Loverwatch spin-off event game, they poke fun at the Overwatch wiki for being in accurate, or not always correct about Overwatch information and lore.......but they clearly don't have a significant care for the world they themselves have created since they can't seem to keep the story and timelines consistent.
At this point, it seems like Team 4 just wants to do just barely enough to appease the fans, while fulfilling the investors expectations while putting any love for the game on the backburner. The Overwatch love train is over. It's been dead for years. Now all OW players have left to do is sit and watch as they're slowly pushed into the burning pit as Overwatch self destructs almost like that Toy Story 3 scene where the toys hold hands as they face the incinerator.
I genuinely love how barely anyone is even pretending that "Cassidy" isn't named McCree anymore. The amount of retcons hit a breaking point.
I forgot that mccree got renamed
"a loremaster? that sounds like a nerd position, and we don't spend money on nerds, we TAKE money from nerds!"
- blizzard, most likely
And this is why age maps are VERY helpful-as a writer I keep track of my characters ages in story by having a list of major events, and their ages at each so that way when I need to know where someone was when say a major figurehead died, I know if they were like 8.5 years old (I specify if they're around halfway to the next age since I like being more specific) and can remember it at now like 21, or if they were barely a toddler. Lore keeping ages is the most basic thing to track-no major details or complex things, just so and so was this age here, and is this age now 5 years later. Also helps you to check if someone needs an adjustment-my maps showed me that two characters needed to be aged up because them remembering a major event was very important for the plot. Surprised Blizzard doesn't even have a basic guideline list for their cast.
Looks like OverWatch 3 is gonna be just around the corner, hopefully they finally included the things that was the be in 2 after it shut down
I think it’ll be finally able to get the PVE we always wanted thanks to Microsoft help.
6:00 For a company that gets a new sexual assault allegation every week, you'd think making a character canonically give birth at age 14 would be the LAST thing they'd ever consider doing.
Doing it by mistake, on the other hand, is a textbook freudian slip
What and who happened?!?
@@EastlakeRasta7 yeah, based on Sojourn's age, her twin sister had a child at 14, meaning she conceived a baby at 13.
See, this is why I like making a timeline for my stories when I start writing.
nice lancer pfp
Imagine you, a fan, being more knowledgeable in lore than the ones actually writing it
"Welcome to the club" said all of the of Star Trek, Star Wars, Marvel and DC fans.
@@Sinebeast Don't forget us Elder Scrolls and Fallout fans!
These have been the ages since 2016, they just added +2 years to everyone I don't get why people are complaining now.
Oh I've had an issue with Tracer's age for YEARS. She's meant to be 26/28 right? (She was listed as being 26 for the LONGEST time tbh)
Anyways, Overwatch was disbanded about 8-9 years before the start of the story iirc. Tracer would have been somewhere about 19-21 when it shut down. Sources vary on how long ago so I'm casting a net. Exact number isn't important.
Anyways, Tracer had to undergo training in order to become an Overwatch agent. Say... a year, year and a half? A lot more than a normal soldier. So now that'd put her Overwatch career formally starting at around age 18-20
But wait.
Before Tracer became an agent, she was a pilot for the RAF and had managed to build up enough of a career to a point where she was selected to test pilot that experimental Jet, which caused her time diffusion accident and disappeared for "months" prior to Winston making that chestpiece for her.
So like apparently Tracer had managed to join the RAF, complete officers/pilot training etc and fly enough hours to become the top candidate for the jet program.
So like apparently Lena was out here joining the RAF at like 14-16 years old lol.
The lore already had a pretty odd timeline. When Uprising came out, it was a mission that took place seven years ago. That was while Overwatch was in full swing, and it carried on for some years after that, which means that everyone's missing the organization like it's been gone for a decade when it's only been a few years at most.
Would have been interesting to see it in game as a Character Bio in some sort of Character Story Missions but that would be too difficult
upcoming indie studio barely making ends meet. cut them some slack please.
@@phibu7517 True. They only made something like 3000 dollars last month. If only they made something like 3 billion then maybe we could see better! /s
Activision Blizzard is such a joke man. lmbo
why would it be cool or necessary? it doesnt add anything to the game and just would take away from the few remaining devs actually working on the game.
@@lowqualityyysure it would take way too many resources to just add bio pages lmao
ah yes because the UI for it just will randomly appear. you have 0 clue what goes on in making a game and it shows.
@@AzraelAlpha
The lore is as well thought through as the game is developed.
Lol
They really gain nothing from giving them ages now, that was a silly move to begin with. Keeping ages ambiguous since the beginning has distinct advantages for the game to appeal to different ages. They just ended up alienating a lot of people and revealing that their writing is sloppy (well, that part was probably not a surprise to many)
this has been their ages since 2016 they just added +2 to everyone age to show the passage of time or something i guess
The lore in all their IPs are inconsistent with them😢
Intentionally releasing their ages isn't gonna stop the 34 from being made.
I dont get how this is supposed to stop that, every character is 18+.
And even if they weren't rule 34 is so f'd up by nature, corn artists wouldn't care anyways.
@@Xfushion2it looks like it was because the main writer is besties with the biggest PharahxMercy shipper in the community so they’re warping things to facilitate that despite pre-established lore
@@karmaascendant3936 Makes some sense, but if the goal was just for these two to not have a huge age gap, why bother with the rest of the cast? How for example does that has to do with the Shimada bros being twice the age of Kimiko despite stating they were childhood acquaintances?
The more I look into it is just plain bad writing, they either misinterpreted their own lore or just assigned random ages based on the character looks.
The math ain't mathing for Kiriko, Hanzo, and Genji
Kiriko should be in her 30’s at LEAST. Her being 21 makes no god damn sense
are you serious? she LOOKS like a teenager. she doesnt look like a 30year old woman and that is fact. @@Slimeonian
@@Slimeonian Other way. Kiriko being early 20's makes sense, especially given her Animated Short. Hanzo and Genji being that damned old, on the other hand, makes no sense at all. They should be younger.
@@Slimeonian Genji and Hanzo should be in their 20s.
@@lowqualityyymagic and anti aging exist in OW universe. Either her age is wrong or Genji’s age and Hanzo’s age are wrong.
Especially when she is a magic user capable of using healing magic. Mercy is old as a grandma and she looks like she is in her late 20s.
I absolutely hate the ages listed for most of the female characters. Illari does NOT sound like an 18 year old! "I carry my burdens alone" WTF does that even mean coming from a kid? Totally makes me not want to even play her anymore. And Kiriko, that's just absolutely silly. Orisa I get, and it fits, but maybe 2? And finally Sojourn, no problem having her be much older, she's mostly cybernetic so it has no bearing on her physical ability. Age makes her cooler. Oh, and I totally dig the fan theory that Mercy can stay young cause she is exposed to that healing ray so much.
Illari feels like a fan oc
Kiriko growing up as kids with Genji(35) and Hanzo(38) but she’s 21???? I’m confused asf about this.
This age problem is just another example of their poor organisation
For instance the Pharha-Mercy relationship is so forced. Before, Pharah was a kid when Ana and Mercy were in Overwatch. Now both have a 5 year age gap? WTF? They also decided to take away the voicelines showing of Genji and Mercy showing affection, making them a bit bitter towards eachother in the new story.
The lore was keeping me very interested in the game, it had a concrete foundation, now its getting renovated with timber and drywall, just to cheapen it out and fulfill some twitter users' fantasy.
Blizzard, you really should just leave Overwatch alone at this point. You have no control over your writers. This is turning in Warhammer 40K. At this point I expect a reboot. 😂
Don't worry guys, Kiriko is actually *checks notes* 20 in cat years!
Fox years
Evil cannot create anything new, it can only destroy what already exists.
I hope you know this statement is false.
@@AJ-sl7beyou have an example of something created by evil?
@@heatseeker9573 We saw societies ran by stalin and hitler vastly improve in space and military technology.
@@AJ-sl7be unfortunately, youtube hid your comment, but I could still read it in the notifications.
That being said, their systems were not sustainable. Evil is still capable of using the resources build by their predecesors, and using dirty tactics to delay the collapse.
They could never build something from the ground up, or even keep something afloat based on merit.
Those dictators had to resort to conquest, genocide, rationing, and so on, in order to stay afloat.
As for blizzard, they stay afloat by offering worse content, and less of it overall, but taxing it more. Finding new monetization tricks, instead of creating a good product, like Baldur's Gate for example
@@heatseeker9573you know america
For those who look at the broken lore of OW: I've learned from WoW that lore is often inconsistent over the years. In fact, I'm surprised that this didn't happen sooner.
these are the same ages from 2016 just ow2 takes place like 2 years later so they just added +2 to everyone's age
@@lilwintery6434 So Orisa was -1 years old in OW1?
@@AstonWildsteel yes
@@AstonWildsteel my bad I should have said it's about 2 years after Wwnston's recall
She was actually like 2 months old on release, she was built a year later in the timeline from winstons recall after doomfist stole back his gauntlet, so she used to have the most recent lore in the timeline before ow2 came out.
YongYea's resigned sigh and "here we go again" I knew this was going to be truly an Overwatch 2 Moment of all time
I’m sure there’s a perfectly good explanation why they decided to add this in now
and it rhymes with corn
@@majesticxerxes293 ...when they renamed Jesse Mccree to Cole Cassidy there was a adult film actress used the nom de plume of Cassidy Cole. When you looked up the name she was what came up for a while.
So why do they care about it now?
age is something you should set up on the beginning of your story, because the more time you take to define them it is more likely to mess up everything. It would be better if they never disclosure this kind of information.
I'm fine with retconning old bios in favor of an actual storyline. The old game is purged from the world anyway, so why rely on old information. The same thing happened with Star Wars.
@@liamharrington6672 I don't think Star Wars purging an expanded universe built over years was a good thing
"Stories shouldn't require a patch"
The fact that even needs to be stated!
Happened with a Mass Effect novel.
Overwatch saw several original creators leaving Blizzard, and it was a successful attempt to salvage Project Titan, initially an MMO FPS where the story took a back seat to its focus as an FPS MOBA. In "Overwatch 2," Activision-Blizzard emphasized monetization, and the gameplay loop and microtransaction focus don't naturally support a story-driven experience. To achieve genuinely story-driven expertise, it would need to resemble something like Cyberpunk 2077; it won't happen with an FPS MOBA. We know there's no way Activision-Blizzard will ever create a single-player FPS story experience. Those days are long-gone.
Yeah I still feel weirded out by the Mercy and Farrah age gap cause its obvious they aged her up to not look like Mercy sort of groomed her, and I am surprised people took this long to realise that kiriko was way too young despite supposedly she was the same age/similar age as genji. I hate that this makes the game with mediocre plot tank and become unconfortable and stupid, even doll lines and games which focus exclusively on fan service understand this better
I'd like to remind you that Overwatch 2 promised basic features that the same company is shipping other games with, but it canceled those and is spiraling so bad that it can't even keep it's own lore straight.
Remember the time when loopholes in Blizzard storytelling was so little and requires an eye for detail that questioning it surprised the devs and the fans? The time when THE Red Shirt Guy is famous in the community?
Now the holes in the lore are so big you can fly the alliance Skyfire airship through them.
Do you guys not even have lore?
This is a prime example of why certain IPs need to be given set rules on what can and can't be changed in a game's story.
There are, they just don't care or wiped the lore and decided to remake it hoping nobody would notice
Let's be honest. The "official" ages are there to support the shippers and their fanfics.
if you sait it because pharh and mercy age are closer than you thinked is not, since ow we know pharah and mercy have a 5 years gap
I can't even watch Overwatch porn anymore
they looked at all the reviews mentioning porn and took it seriously
@@verguco6051 Those two getting together would make even less sense to the lore despite close ages. Mercy distinctly stated that she doesn't like mercenaries and that is literally what Pharah is with Helix (And she even uses nothing but explosives in her arsenal too). They never really had too much chemistry in the lore to begin with, especially since Mercy worked with Ana way more. Mercy would not be the type of lady who would want a tomboy in my opinion. And last but not least, She had TONS of established lore suggesting a close relationship with Genji. Literally since year 1, she has had many implications with Genji. And for Blizzard to 180 all of that for the sake of "inclusivity/diversity" would be downright disrespectful.
@@ingenium2872 mercy is one of the characters with most inconsistencies, she hates war and violence but still worked for overwatch and even came back uh, why? so she can hate helix but not pharah, she hates ow and still like ow members, and pharah leave helix for.... overwatch 2, so
i agree pharah and mercy focus in ow2 is kinda forced and a retcon, in ow1 there was no indication there were close at all, fans loved to assume thing that became canon in ow2, but ow lore have a lot of holes, pharah and mercy could easily be close when both were young, pharah fell in love and something happened between the two because mercy left egypt without saying goodbye, is just that we never knew about it until now. mercy worked with ana a lot yeah, but pharah was not part of ow when pharah was living with ana in ow, mercy could be close to pharah too
now about the genji mercy couple, well i think that ship sailed long ago, you say it yourself, they have a lot of interactions in the first year, after that the interactiosn droped, even long before ow2 launch mercy and genji stopped having things together. genji and mercy could be very close s friends, no indiction of a romance, mercy have more romantic implication with pharah in one year of ow2 than genji in 6 years of ow1. is that good or bad? well i dont know, but im not going to lie, im all in for the pharah and mercy thing
with everything i said, i dont think pharah and mercy will ever be a couple, the game is not about pairings, and we barely have lore and story so nothing will happen, dont worry
OW fan-fiction has more accurate lore than blizzard's take
pharaohs age always bothered me and it felt like I was the only one pointing it out
Not to mention the new lead writer removed all of genji and mercys interaction voicelines for overwatch 2 to stop genji and mercy shipping just to bring forth pharah and mercy voicelines that make them something to be shipped. PvE added 1 genji and mercy interaction and its just mercy calling genji essentially a dick.
This same writer blocks anyone on twitter who so much as makes a mention of this or even put genji or mercy in the same sentence. They also very close friends with one of the biggest known pharah mercy shippers and they claim to be in on this and are aware of lore drops about them before anyone else does and actively influence decisions on the matter.
And now I'm guessing they were an influence on making pharah and mercy's age only 5 years apart despite that making no sense in the lore just so that their ship isn't weird lmao
😢 Why would the Pharmercy ship be weird if it was a May/January-Next-Year relationship? I guess it would seem weird because Mercy actually knew Pharah through Ana when she was that young 🌱.
@@Sorrowduskpharah should be in her twenties mercy should be close to the same age as ana,
The age difference was still only five years back in Overwatch one, when Chu was pushing Genji and Mercy as a couple despite the part where at the time there weren't supposed to be any canon hero/hero ships.
Plus Pharah and Mercy has been a popular ship since the announcement trailer, so it isn't like that's a new thing either.
Inbound for Blizzard making a story of how Kiriko was frozen for 10+ years like Mei
The game has the shallowest lore for how diverse the characters look, barely expanded upon even with the new story missions.
It feels to me like less than a second thought, the lore is as deep as the first ow trailers.
The few interesting more unique characters like pharah are the most empty husk written characters, at least from the ingame voicelines.
With the amount of people leaving Blizzard, I assume they didn't have an actual lore master, or people who were properly trained to deal with that amount of story telling.
Previous lore master was probably sexually abused
I know this is a small thing, but it is such a clear example of how little Blizzard employees care about their own game. If you are passionate about your project, you pay attention to every little detail.
It's clear that Blizz never actually created a "character bible". Which is NOT a new concept. Batman the animated series from 1990 had a character bible. It establishes lore and canon that CANNOT be changed and sets the stage for all future chronology. I actually doubt that there was never a bible for OW, most likely it left the company during one of the many mass firings.
Overwatch 2 Devs on their way to butcher their own lore