RetroTutorial: Installing Windows 98 Second Edition on an HP T5300 Thin Client!
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- In this video, we demonstrate how to overcome some of the hurdles associated with installing Windows 98 Second Edition on an HP T5300 thin client (procedure also works for an HP T5700 thin client). Link to procedure: github.com/cml37/dos-utils/bl...
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
03:26 Preconditions
04:33 Partition and Format
07:52 Creating Installer Thumbdrive
13:06 Installing Windows 98
21:57 Wrapping It Up
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I'm grateful to you, Phil and RetroSuperhighway for videos about thin clients. For a long time I wanted to run MS-DOS, Windows 98 and Windows XP on real hardware, but didn't have space (or money) for several vintage PCs. Also, while many people are nostalgic about hard disk and floppy noise, I always hated them. I spent the 90s dreaming about small and completely silent PC, and now I have exactly that! 🙂
IMHO t5710 is the high point of Win9x computing, and Wyse Z90D7 is the same thing for early XP era. But I would never got the idea to use these thin clients on my own. Thanks!
That's great to hear, and that's why I love making these types of vids! Glad you found it useful, and thank you for your kind words!
My Uncles' shop EPoS system is based on DOS, and when his 30 year old Gateway PC finally gave up after many bandaids over the years, I cloned the HDD and used an old HP thin client to replace it. Instead of $11,000 plus a service agreement for a new system, I got his old one working better than new for the princely sum of $22.
That's great!!!
Keep the content coming, Chris! Your videos are fun, different, and informative. By the way, glad to hear you like Dave Plummer too. I've found many of his videos to be fun and informative as well.
Will do! Lots of things planned... two videos made this past weekend to keep ahead of the summertime "too nice to be inside" weekends :-)
Have just done this with an HP T5000 sub assembly T5300 and its running 98se like a dream. I used a 2 gig CF card and also cheated by formatting it and copying setup files with another machine. The only problem was a lovely irq conflict but after changing the ide controller to single channel that did the trick. Once again thanks for the inspiration and instructions. :-)
Perfect! Ya, I hit that conflict as well.. hopefully I covered it!!
Great vídeo, Chris
I've gotta get myself one of these Thin Clients. There's no end to the possibilities.
Absolutely! They are great little machines.
The video was extremely helpful Chris, thanks very much
Excellent, thanks for the feedback! Glad it helped out.
Thanks for this awesome tutorial! I was able to get Win 98 SE working on my HP Compaq T5000 using it. You earned a sub. I had to use the wayback machine on a few occasions though as some of the links in the guide don't seem to work anymore.
Oh the joys of link rot! Thanks for letting me know, links have been fixed in the procedure! Thanks for watching, and glad things worked out well.. for the most part!!
Chris! My main man. Came to show some love!
Haha, excellent! Hey, be on the lookout, the "concluding chapter" for the SX270 will debut in a few weeks!!
These little thin clients make inexpensive DOS boxes and are fun to mess around with. I've got the T5700.
In my opinion, you've got the best one ever!!
Excellent video, github notes put it ahead of the game for me. Shame I can only click the thumbs up once :-D
Thanks for the feedback, and you are too kind!! Glad you enjoyed it.
Myself, do have a HP T5710 i bought off of eBay from someone in germany who has sold over 600 of them so far, for about $80AUD all up a couple of years ago now. Put in a Micro SD card adaptor, and a 64GB Micro SD card for the storage. Partitioned, formatted & made it bootable through VMWare, then copied the installation files (Windows 98 Second Edition being on it), drivers & other things (Programs, games & whatnot) onto the card. Put it back into the T5710 & installed it all like that, and works all good. Do have a little adaptor to make the one PS/2 port into two, so i can have both a PS/2 mouse & keyboard with it. Also have an external CD/DVD drive for if i need that, but i've made ISO's of whichever discs i'd use & have Daemon Tools for those purposes when need be. Also more recently upgraded the RAM to 1GB, and it does work fine, though in some cases 9X can have issues with that much. And with it's 16MB graphics chip, makes for a nice little 98 machine will say, and i like others first heard of it through Phil's Computer Lab, which is what made me want to get one. So i have the way i do for installing 98 onto it, but still a good video to watch as is the rest of the things you do too chris.
Excellent! That's a great setup there.
@@RetroTechChris That it is a nice little setup i have with it, and can just put the Micro SD card into an adaptor, put it into another PC if need be to copy things over, which makes that process easier too, i'll say.
@@huleeyaxerssius7 that is a good idea, easier than my method, haha
@@RetroTechChris There you go, a method for future reference for anyone that might want to do so with it.
@@huleeyaxerssius7 I love it!!!
Now at 900 subscribers!
It fluctuates a bit. We've been teeter tottering around 900 or so, ha!
Hi chris - thin clients the WW2 Jeep of PC's
Nice work as usuall, as much as i like real hardware ( my oldest is a Pentium 100 with voodoo 2 - emulation is good and close to the real thing )
I describe to people thin clients as a modern but cheap alternative to retro pc's and even when new the technology was a few generations old to help with the low cost - personally i have 2 1 - connects to work ( used for the designated tasks of all things ) - the other has dos 6.22 and 1G DOM with win 98 ( no sound unfortunately ) but it can boot linux of USB stick for modern browsing and dosbox
Parky towers does have great information and all of his experiments well laid out.
Phil from Phil's computers does a excellent job on his retro and modern classics and shares all his information on his youtube and web page and is a excellent contributor to Vogons
For people who have the wrong type of thin client that is to old or does not support sound cards - i suggest Linux Puppy 4 or 5 ( it is old from 2010 ) but it works and you can get the puppy dos box which runs dos - understandably it is emulation but works on 90=95% of what you want to run anyway - you can run puppy with as low as 512k memory and a cheap 1G thumb drive is sufficient - i think the distro is small @ 200 meg ISO and come in 32bit with PAE support - note some IDE DOM ( Disk On Module ) are small eg 100meg as they normally just are large enough for a thin client OS , larger size DOM are available but be carefull some DOM will cost as much as the entire thin client so 4 Gig USB stick is excellent for 32bit machines
Regards
George
Great advice as always, thanks George!
hi, i have some questitions. first, where do you get the drivers for windows 95 as i have seen you have it preninstalled. my second questition is does windows 98 drivers work on 95 or nt 4.0? thanks in advance!
Hi there! Hmm, I don't believe I have installed Win95 on these. Finding drivers is a matter of trial and error unfortunately.
Just bought a Compaq/HP t5700 off eBay. I've followed the instructions and I'm at the step where you install the Windows 98 USB driver. But I screwed up...I'm installing Windows 98, not the SE edition, but the driver downloaded from Phil's computer lab is the 98SE version and not (I think) the nusb33e.exe (Win98) version I need? How do I get the correct driver onto the C: drive? Create another boot disk for transferring files?
Hey there! Ya... afraid so. Not 100% sure if Win98 is going to work with the drivers... possible, but not guaranteed. It MIGHT be worth taking it from the top since you have to reload the USB stick anyway!!
@@RetroTechChris I eventually got this all working, turns out the drivers you've linked on GitHub work fine with Windows 98 (no device manager issues). I ended up going with a (in theory) compatible 4GB disk-on-module sourced from eBay. I installed Partition Magic 5.0 in order to expand the 2GB partition to the full 4GB.
BUT...after a couple of weeks use, the computer locks up less than a minute after boot up and desktop. I'm thinking the disk has been corrupted? Swapped the DOM onto another, identical unit and same issue occurs, so I don't think this is a hardware issue. Wondering if anyone has encountered this problem?
@@dbbyres oh that is odd. I have a confession in that I probably haven't used the machine enough after setting it up to experience that! I haven't really used Partition Magic much, I had issues with it back in the day (BootIt Bare Metal is my go to). Maybe do a clean install with no partition managers? You can do a 4GB partition if you use a 95B boot disk.
Linus Torvalds of Linux fame was a Transmeta, makers of the CPU, employee for a few years.
Yes! Pretty cool, isn't it? This is a pretty cool CPU!
Seems a little bit sluggish when booting after installing all the drivers. Is DMA enabled for the DoM? Or is it just slow?
Seemed okay to me...maybe an artifact of the video capture?
@@RetroTechChris Maybe, because I wouldn't expect that machine to have these issues!
@@cocusar I agree. It's pretty zippy!
A nice bit of fun, without the retro - "tax".
Exactly!!
if in dos wat sound can you run for 80,s games?
It would be sound blaster emulation I believe. Happy to test out a game for you if you have one in mind!
@@RetroTechChris cool try Jack Nicklaus' Greatest 18 Holes of Major Championship Golf
@@RetroTechChris ant this one Links: The Challenge of Golf
but what sound card is in the client can it do soundblaster in pure dos?
@@jediknight2350 ah, just realized this is the win98 video! I cover that in the DOS video ua-cam.com/video/q6MalHwflgk/v-deo.html
Will these processes work for the t5000?
I think it will based on this: www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/hp/t5700/ (that said, if you haven't purchased one, a T5700 is a safer bet)
Can confirm, it does work.
will this play deer hunt challenge?
No idea! Worth a try!
Each to their own, but for me, Win 98 AND a thin client? That's like banging your hand with TWO hammers!!!! :-)
We won't force you to try this experiment :-)
All this is just so that you don't have to mess around with complicated, dying, 30-40 year old equipment if you want a true DOS gaming environment. They are much cheaper, simpler and easier to set up than trying to build or maintain a 'real' 386/486 computer. They can make good 2000 era gaming boxes as well if they have a decent graphics chip in them. For anything modern, they kind of suck, but that's not why we buy them.
Even if it was a 64bit system, i don't think windows me knows how to do it...
Thanks for watching!
@@RetroTechChris blink twice! :D
How's the performance of the GPU? Did you do any tests with it?
@@chaoticsystem2211 nope
@@chaoticsystem2211 also, I no longer appear on camera to combat this very criticism.