And as cheap as it is, baking in limitations for your character is smart writing. Especially a very situational one very much up to the writer that can be ignored or implemented at will with consistent in universe justification. Not saying this specific one isn't kinda cheap but it's good foundation.
Like...yeah, it's weird that that's not what a SPIDER would give him, but it gives him Hulk strength? A spider being kinda strong for its sized doesn't really equate to you can pick up a car, how is it a copy-pasted STR percentage boost?
Yeah if we want to be more "scientifically accurate" then we woudn't have a Spider-Man in the first place lol, convienently changing stuff with pseudo science is the most normal stuff in superhero stories, why are organic web shooters suddenly "immersion breaking"?
My brother actually raised a good point in that the organic web shooters lean into the original conceit that "spiderman could be anyone under the mask" which he always felt was completely undermined by the prerequisite of being a scientific genius.
And spiderman being anyone is technically undermined by the idea of requiring disgusting weird prolapse orifices in your arms lol. Same shit That argument just boils down to *"spiderman can't be anyone because he has unique characteristics"* there's nothing there
You can really tell who has read Spider-Man comics and whose knowledge of spider man is mainly the Raimi movies by the way they talk about stuff in the game
The advantage of mechanical web shooters: More designs and modified web shots (Web bomb, taser, etc). Downside: Money, Time to make it and repair it. Advantage of organic: A possibly endless source of web, will always be at its strongest. Disadvantage: Limit source and might be affected by diet. If that gets injured, its either not usable for a while or its permantly damaged.
For some reason, I *really* want a popular elseworlds story where Peter Parker got injured during a rescue mission and one of his arms is a cybernetic implant with dozens of web shooter options.
As for Organic Webshooters Yes it does affect ones diet. There was a time the City of New York were getting Spider-Man Powers. Peter was teaching a friend to eat a lot of starchy foods
I disagree, I think if the established canon is that he has Tech-Web-Shooters and someone willingly chooses to make the web shooters organic instead, thus welcoming the reality of the Wrist-Mounted Pink Socks, that person who made the change has to be the least cowardly person possible. The future is NOW.
The thing I find funny about the whole "organic Spider-Man would shoot webs out of, or above, his ass" thing is that Venture Brothers did a whole parody character with that premise in their later seasons with The Brown Widow, and it was done before MCU even had Spider-Man and was handled with enough restraint that each moment involving that joke wasn't annoying and repetitive.
Not a Venture Bros fan, but wasn't part of the parody also that he was otherwise played completed straight as a Spidey clone compared to all the others? That being that he's still got the embarrassing "haha webs out butt" joke, but is basically still pretty much just Spider-man.
@@ReconHunter101 Including being simultaneously 21, 16 and 35 all at the same time. The real Spidey experience of being wildly inconsistent and noncommittal about how old you ought to be!
Their wonder woman parody was actually cooler and more flavorful than real Diana lmao Why the fuck DOES she fly an invisible jet? A chariot makes infinitely more sense
Organic webs implies he makes them within his body. Since spider silk is made out of proteins, he will eventually get dehydrated and malnurished from swinging around. He essentially needs to carry a huge bag of trail mix at all times.
I remember watching the 1994 _Spider-man,_ specifically Episode 3, "Return of the Spider-Slayers" and seeing Spidey pull back his sleeve just a little bit to reload his web-shooters, in the process revealing what looked to me like a robot arm. I briefly wondered if this meant Spidey was a cyborg, because the web-shooters for that show looked way more like robot parts than web-shooters tend to.
I don't know if it was that same show or the next one, but I remember catching a random episode one morning that had this scene of Peter talking to a child(in his bedroom I think? It could have been a hospital room) because the kid was depressed that he could never be a hero without powers. Peter reveals and explains his webshooters to make the kid feel better. Now, as a wee babby, I think I only had seen the first Toby movie, and my young brain legitimately thought Peter was lying to the kid to make him feel better.
Don't think the MTV one, _Spectacular_ or _Ultimate_ ever had Spidey hang out with a kid, but he did go to see a girl in the 94 version's Season 3 episode "Sins of the Fathers: Chapter II: Make a Wish" (yes that is the full title). Spidey gets a fan letter from a kid and (eventually) decides to go see her, then recounts to her his origin story, explains how his web-shooters work, and at the very end reveals his identity to her. As he swings away we see the building they were in was a home for terminally ill children.
@@WillKeaton That sounds exactly like what I saw as a child, but I definitely didn't see the whole episode and didn't understand the terminal part. That was impressive, thank you👍
Organic web shooters are fine for other Spider-men, but the whole point of *Peter Parker* having mechanical web shooters was to show he was a nerdy, science-loving guy who could build all kinds of crazy gadgets. Peter running into a problem and using his science knowledge to solve it was a plotpoint in a lot of those old Lee/Ditko comics. It was a cool way to show a character trait. I miss those old Spider-man comics.
I wonder how many people never learned that you can web glide into water to slide on it then jump activate wing suit back to sliding on water. Feels so nice
I find the web wings feel the best when used to serve your swinging. You can use them to gain speed and height and then hit R2 at any time, presuming there's a swingingable building there.
I think the web wings compliment the swinging perfectly they're a good addition. You never absolutely have to use them but they're useful in places like Queens with shorter buildings and even in the middle of Manhattan they can help you build or maintain your momentum. Swinging is still the main mode of transportation though I don't feel like the wings replace that at all.
I think they’re best used in places like Central Park where you can’t really get a good swing going. It really was just a practical Dead Zone in the first game.
I use them for the waterways that often tend to have little to no options for swinging, like if you want to cut across the pond in Central Park that in the first two games would always result in you landing in the water and having to swim out unless you swung around the perimeter.
I once encountered a webcomic with a spider woman who shoots webs out of her -butt- lower back! It's called Spinnerette I think. She also has 6 arms and wears a fake fatsuit to hide them. I also remember her chugging protien shakes every other second like the Flash in order to keep producing her butt webs.
squirting out fluids/substances to fight is just kinda weird imo. Do any other heroes do that? Feels like something only villains or monsters do, like acid spit or something
@@jfa99Idk how a spider themed hero making webbing is somehow weirder as a concept than the fire dude turning into fire, or fuckin' wizard casting spells, or the _Norse God wielding a mythological hammer made of a star and summoning storms_
@@jfa99I mean there’s examples of superheroes using biological byproducts; spider-man 2099 has organic webs but he also has teeth that can deliver a paralyzing effect when he bites you. A lot of the X-men characters can be technically be considered this if you want to count energy blasts as body byproducts but even then you have characters like marrow who can regrow bones and she can shoot them out of her body or use them like daggers and two other examples for the X-men are gold balls who can shoot golden eggs out of his body and soft serve who’s superpower is that she can literally poop out soft serve ice cream. Even venom who has been more on the side of the heroes since 2011 when flash Thompson became the new host for venom can be considered this due to the suit using dead biomass to shoot the webs and even the green drool is just the symboite filtering out the waste of it’s host aka piss and shit.
Is organic web really out of place compared to it IS canon that he has retractable tiny hairs that pierce his clothes to stick to any surface? Including his SHOES?
It’s not about logic. It is as Woolie said, the original comics used tech web shooters, so that is what fans got used to. If the comics had organic webs & the 2002 movie made Peter shoot webs with a gadget, people would complain about it at about the same rate even though it doesn’t matter
Fun fact, originally Rami wanted Techno web shooters, but for time I believe, they were cut. You can actually see them still on Peter when he's messing around with his web powers in his room. Double fun fact: Organic Web shooters were going to be in James Cameron's scraped Spider-Man movie.
Weird seeing people complain about wings invalidating swinging when point launch was already way better than normal swinging. If you have to haul ass in those games, you point launch, not swing.
They made your max swing speed way faster in Spider-Man 2 compared to the first game so I'd say swinging is now faster than just doing point launch though that still remains a good way to builds up a lot of momentum quickly.
I grew up with the early 90's Spider-Man cartoon and the PS1 game so it was always mechanical shooters to me. Then I saw the first Raimi film and how they made it organic web shooting and I just shrugged and was like "I guess this is how this film is handling it". It was never really a complaint or controversy to me.
20:50 Pat’s reaching a bit with that Peter and Harry having Homo Sex energy. I have a friend who I love dearly, like a brother. Their friendship reminded me so much of the one I have with my best friend. Male friendships can be that close, without romantic or sexual connection at all. It cheapens it to just say it feels romantic or sexual, even on accident. The dude came out of tube after having a terminal disease, and the two haven’t seen each other in years, and they’re best friends. I didn’t get that kind of undercurrent even a little. The two clearly love each other immensely, like family. That happens. And I’m lucky enough to have a friendship like that myself.
last night i ran into the white cube bug, and after a bit the character model stopped loading all together, so i exited to the main menu to see if it would fix it. But then as i went into the title screen, Peter wasn't on screen and i heard his death sound, the screen went black and it loaded the title screen again. this kept happening indefinitely until i closed the game entirely. creepypasta level bugs, man.
0:59 Organic web shooters are better. They just simplify everything. It would be pretty easy for someone to figure out how the synthetic webs are made, and it would be pretty easy to track anyone procuring materials to do so. Organic web shooters can also facilitate some pretty interesting stories, such as Peter Parker's existential crisis in Sam raimi's Spider-Man 2.
Also you can still DO tech web shooters with the organic stuff, Peter can find ways to improve the webbing using his own, so it evolves from a natural webbing to an advanced unbreakable mechanical webbing so he doesn't need the organic stuff as much anymore. Then say, his web shooters get stolen and he has to rely on his weaker natural webbing for a while! See how easy that is?
True, but they have an irl timer of 1-2 hours to collect, bring back to a lab, and analyze it before it dissolves. And that’s if Peter hasn’t altered the formula to dissolve faster Looking up the ingredients (granted, these are from the MCU, so who knows how much it deviates from other sources) doesn’t narrow down any location imo, as some of these chemical compounds are found in common objects like a fire hydrants, soap, glue, coffee and nail polish remover
I ALWAYS thought it was organic shooters even before the Raimi movies came out. I figured he just didn't have an infinite supply and basically had to produce the webbing like it was on a cooldown after so long. The web shooters and much of the other elements of his skill set being tech based was always my least favorite part of the comic explanations. At that point it's less he got spider powers from a spider and more he just got generic super strength and a danger sense and everything else is just an aesthetic he crafted. Him actually having power akin to a spider even if it makes it gross the more you think about it is WAY more interesting than just web cartridges that can run out when the writers need them to.
All of this. The dumb butt web "gotcha" people bring into these arguments ignores the fact this is also a universe where Gamma rays made a man giant and green whenever he gets mad rather than cancer, or another can heal well enough to regenerate from a metal skeleton is the equivalent of saying "but you live in society, checkmate!", when the whole universe is built on weak/fantastical foundations for entertainment lol.
I just think it's kinda nuts that non-organic Peter's first thought was "I need a form of transportation around New York so I can do hero stuff... I know! I'll fit tiny, overdesigned cannisters of super sticky silly string onto my wrists and _fling_ myself around the city with dangerous force and speed! That seems efficient! And there are certainly NO OTHER OPTIONS!"
@@conspiracypanda1200he's a nerd. He got his powers from a spider, so he decides to theme his stuff around it. I think that speaks a lot about his character then him just using what would be most effective, or in the case of organic webs, the option being given to him effort free.
Organic makes more sense for a movie. Hes a high school kid/dumpster diving rent struggling adult how is he constructing this miraculous technology that would put billion dollar enterprises to shame? If hes got spider powers, give him the most notable aspect of a spider. Its fine, it provokes way less questions than "The kid who just happened to be bit by a spider also coincidentally is the 3rd smartest person on the planet"
I love how men can’t be close friends in media with out being accused of being gay, and it’s really annoying. It’s why men have a hard time showing emotions because they get called gay because they are close to another male. Sad that Pat feeds into that
Pat saying MJ was a third wheel is just incorrect too. Harry was very obviously treated as a third wheel on their "date". Harry leaves for a short while to give Peter and MJ some alone time and later flirts with a woman he sits next to on a roller coaster ride, while he lets Peter and MJ sit together. None of this screams "MJ is a third wheel" to me. I just can't understand what Pat interpreted as Harry and Peter having feeling for each other when Harry is very clearly supportive of Peter and MJs relationship. It's just two friends talking about their feelings and being excited that they get to see each other again. Nothing about that has romantic implications, no matter what gender they are.
I mean, why stop there? If the web-shooting comes from organic glands, there's the very real possibility of obstructions, or infection. Like Spiderman trapping a robber in a spiderweb net that is kind of yellow-ish, with some red spots and he's like "Sorry about that, I really gotta see a doctor about that"
The whole point of Spider-Man that was said to us time and time again is that ANYONE can be a Spider-Man. He's supposedly the most relatable hero, a guy of the streets, a friendly neighborhood Spider-man. But if you need to be a techo and bio genius to develop an ESSENTIAL element of Spider-Man that makes him Spider-Man (not only the shooters, but a web formula), then only a few people blessed with money or intellect can become an actual Spider-Man. Without web-shooters you're just an Enchanced-Man. And that's not it. We have enough of "Enchanced-Man", but we're not talking about them. So yeah, no, organic shooters are the choice and it's not even close. Not even close. Also, nothing wrong with a bit of body-horror or strangeness spiced in a design.
Techbro biogenius Peter could open source that web formula to make it available for the everyman, but superheroes are fascist by design so a lot of the conceit is that "anyone can be Spider-Man" in theory, but in practice that title only belongs to super-special Chosen One types and especially ones that fit the fandom's preconceived notions of "worthy".
@@ultimamage3 Calling superheroes "fascist by design" might be one of the most wild things I've seen people say about the genre. Peter isn't a "chosen one" regardless of how his webs work he just happened to be at the right place at the right time that is literally the point.
Huh? How is "extra magical and unique superpowere webs that can only happen in this specific gene splicing circumstance" LESS exclusive than tech that a highschooler (albeit a genious one) built and anyone can potentially replicate?
@@nahuel3433 Because being bitten by radioactive Spider that gives you this powers is a miraculous opportunity, it always was. It's a small miracle that gives ANYONE a power and a responsibility, and the rest must all depend on them. Peter was just some nerdy guy, but with these new powers and responsibility he, like anyone in his place would be, gains an ability to become Spider-Man that we know and love. Dragging the concept of him not only being granted an extremely rare miracle chance, but ALSO him being THAT ONE GUY that can actually develop all of this techonology to make powers functional... That brings nothing to the table, only makes this less probable for anyone else. Think about it: if his heroic unique powerset depends on his technology too, then why isn't he the one who gave himself other powers of the spider-bite too? Like literally just a smart guy that developed all of this? Because it would be other hero, other heroes theme, it would be more like a Tony Stark character. Spider-Mans character is a complete opposite: he's granted this power by chance, and the rest is his own heroic morals, power of will and even intelligence too - just not in an extent to develop this crucial tech. And his story kinda tries to tell you that anyone can be like that too, they just have to have the same will and good intent. It's pretty simple.
My stance on the webshooters is that I prefer biological, I am willing to accept them being enhanced by a tech augment of some sort, but purely tech seems dumb. The sole reason for this is that without natural web he just has "super strength and enhanced senses" (and wall climbing I guess) which is such a generic power set.
I can see a possibility of both Organic and Tech webbing. Maybe the Organic webs are easier to use when fighting for the sake of blinding opponents or disabling weapons. But if he tries to use enough webs to swing or fulling web a criminal, its SUPER uncomfortable and maybe downright painful to produce that much thick webbing. So he is able to make tech shooters that are able to shoot that powerful webbing so he can swing and subdue criminals comfortably.
Spiderman gets depression, and his organic webholes stop working because they are connected to his feelings. So he switches to his robotholes to compensate.
I was always in the mechanical boat until i saw a comment that made a great point that organic ones do a better job of reinforcing the "anyone could've been spiderman" thing
Only bug I encountered was Peter turning into a white cube. The only way to fix strange animation or texture bugs is to actually close the game and open again. And it crashes occasionally. Weird game pretty good though. Didn't even hate miles suit I think there are worse suits you can put on him.
I actually got Miles doing Peter's voice lines in a phone conversation with MJ during one of those switches because apparently I hit the time threshold for a new quest right as I switched. I also got a slow motion bug during one of the early Miles tutorials where it slows down the game for you to use a new power on gadget, but it refused to speed the game back up. I had to restart the checkpoint to fix it.
Woolie really needs to play the game for himself cause Pat is unintentionally making a really good job at making very minor nitpicks seen really major but at least he realizes that those are minor stuff.
Peter has plenty of non-movie related suits in hte new game, it's jsut that the beginnign of the game frontloads them as the unlocks since they're nostalgic for most people. i got the Fantastic 4 suit, Spider-verse noir suit, Moon Knight, etc. very early on
I will say it's pretty disappointing that most of those unlocks are things that were already in previous games. I've already seen all of those not that long ago so it would have been nice if they cut the movie costumes in half and put in some of the far more obscure designs, or maybe even the Ben Reilly/Spider-Girl costume.
I just think it sucks that 11 of the suits are movie suits and part of the unlock tree, should have just been available from the start Like when they were patched into the first game
You know, in the comics when Peter originally had the venom suit. His webs were organic, because the symbiote was replicating his need to be able to get around and he didn't have access to make or repair his web shooters during the Infinity War.
How much pizza is Peter scarfing down on a daily basis to be shooting out organic webs all the time? Where is it coming from? Does it dehydrate him? Does he have to clean his little web vents with a q-tip? Are they sensitive?
The Ultimate Spider-Man game was the first place I remember seeing tech web shooters after growing up with the Raimi movies, and even as a six year old I remember thinking they were dumb.
It's stuff like this that makes guys act like it's hard to have friendships with other guys cause getting too close 8s super gay. 9.9 Pat talks out of his ass alot
Hey, just want to say. What the fuck was Pat yapping about? I just saw a video of all the Spider-Man costumes, and the majority look sick. The movie costumes are like 15-20% of Peter's costumes as well.
I actually don't like the lowered swing assist, since you don't have enough control over where you attach your webs to make it worthwhile. Like in SM2 on PS2, you couldn't aim them, but you had separate buttons for left and right hand, could let go with one and not the other, and overall just gave you a LOT more control over where you attached your webs. Playing with assist on 0, it felt more like I was reacting to where spidey would shoot his webs and adapting around that, instead of any sort of control about it.
Lol to Pat: “I really hate that gliding is in the game. Using the glide in all the new places where glide is useful is fun, but having the option to use it in the places where it isn’t fun is just the worst.”
I get the shooters are long term canon mechanical and they offer potential different options for combat and stuff. However the one thing most versions gloss over is that this guy who can barely make rent majority of the time, SOMEHOW also has the time/money/resources to produce essentially thousands of gallons of web fluid under enormous psi in his apartment without Aunt May finding it lol. Maybe some comics go into it (I know they play fast and loose with the amount of force required to squeeze the trigger. Usually its a ton of force, other times MJ can conveniently use it etc), but most major adaptations don't acknowledge it at all.
@@MattManDX1 There's also the fact that web fluid is pretty cheap to make since Peter can essentially make them from some fairly common products. He's also a super-genius who's an expert at improvisational science. Guys like Reed Richards, who is often considered one of the smartest people in the universe, and Hank Pym, who is the science equivalent to Doctor Strange, are often impressed by his intellect.
"SOMEHOW also has the time/money/resources to produce essentially thousands of gallons of web fluid" It's almost like Peter is a goddamn genius bordering on, if not surpassing, Stark level. PETER PARKER BUILT THESE WEB SHOOTERS IN A DINGY APARTMENT! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
@@wselfwulfwulf9746 I like how everyone replying to this is missing the broader context and cherry picking sentences out lol. I mention most versions fail to address it (speaking mostly to major adaptations, not comics which I highlight), and that Aunt May also has zero idea this is here. I wasn't saying organic was superior or anything in my comment at all and everyone is (seemingly) offended because I'm calling out a lack of world building being hand waived in major adaptations just to stay "classic". If that was not your intent I sincerely apologize for reading that with snark, and I do *greatly* appreciate the IM1 reference that ended your comment lol.
I remember as a kid i thought spider man only had organic web shooters. I watched the 90’s cartoon when i was really young but the sam raimi movies took over what i knew or thought i knew about spider man. But, it turns out, there was at least one story arc in the comics where he actually does get organic web shooters for a while because some weird event was making his body more like a spider’s somehow. My memory is very fuzzy on it.
Tech Web shooters are better narratively and mechanically since they have limits and can facilitate dumb web tech... But if the spider bit ME then you better believe I want that shit to include slingers, im not inventing shit.
If you're interested in "what if organic spiderman but anatomically accurate", that's basically what Spinnerette is about, she got mutant spider powers which came with +4 arms (which she has to hide in her day-to-day under a fatsuit) and webs from out the backside. It's a webcomic (done in american comic style) so you can read (most of) it free online 👍
I have been cursed with recurrent nightmares about being spiderman ever since I was a child. They don't happen all the time but it happens often enough to be a bother, and I say nightmares because they involve discomfort and pain involving organic web shooters. Something about the mere idea of it must have triggered my child mind so badly that I've been having dream about it for years. It's always itchy, uncomfortable, bulging wirst butthole and I just can't get away from it no matter what I do, it always returns. after this I'm probably gonna have another spiderman dream soon just from thinking about it. Thanks!
After wearing the black suit for a while peter does actually get a significant speed or acceleration boost when swinging. He even gets black suit specific animations
About the Lets Read segment of the podcast. It feels super weird that Woolie is like "Yeah, I hope it'll be good, the thing i'm most worried about is that it'll come off super dry and boring" Meanwhile the thing that Pat is very clearly most worried about seems to be that this opens the door for robots to put them both out of business.
I encountered one bug in one of the sub-story missions where Spider-Man swung into the scene as grossly incandescent as the sun itself. I tried switching suits and the problem persisted. Then I talked to my brother about it and he had the same thing happen on the same mission except every NPC had the glow effect on them as well. And he played through the whole mission like that with the NPCs looking like goddam lightbulbs. The funniest one I encountered was definitely the one where Dr. Connors only loaded into a cutscene from the collar up, though. Like he was just this naked, floating head in the middle of one of the dramatic moments in the story. All that stuff, and NPCs sometimes shooting across the screen or A-posing, or the Spider-Cube just makes me laugh. The less fun stuff was definitely the crashes. The game crashed on me like four or five times. It could not have stood up to the soak tests well, because every time I was playing for a long time I'd encounter some kind of bug or get a crash.
I wish there was a version of Spidey that had both bio and tech webbing. A Spidey smart enough to develop tech webbing for web bombs and other spider utility gadgets, and using web shooters as a fake out for his enemies; keeping his bio webbing as an ace up their sleeve (pun not intended) is a Spidey I'd be much more entertained with. Or maybe the web shooters could just help fire his bio webbing out quicker or something? I don't know, but there's really no reason for the separation. Other then writers wanting to be lazy, that is.
Can confirm, my first Spiderman was Toby and for the longest time I thought mechanical shooters were dumb as fuck and couldn't believe it was always that way.
I find it weird that we're talking about how spider man 1 was pretty clean, and spiderman 2 is often buggy, when miles morales was straight up broken when it was released.
I just think super genius Peter who can make miracle tech like web fluid clashes with him being poor. He has the connections, there's literally no reason for him to be anything less than rich.
I think it's mostly a matter of him not having any time between crime fighting and research, all of the 'jobs' he holds are things he can do in midst of web-slinging (photography, delivery etc.)
@@nikodemossowski4621Yes but that only makes sense if aunt May wasn’t a thing, you can’t tell me the dude can’t find time to make some money to provide a better life for his old ass aunt who raised him lol
It kinda makes sense in the Amazing Spiderman movie that he basically stole the tech from Oz-Corp's kevlar research, can't sell shit he doesn't have the patent For every other Spiderman, I dunno, escalation... monopoly on violence, whatever etc etc "can't use it against me" "they'd immediately know I'm Spiderman" I guess the more pertinent question is "Why is Peter broke in a story where he's worked with Tony?"
Peter is poor because he wants to. And I guess that's a pretty good reason why Osborn would hate a guy that swings around NY just helping people when he can do much more. Being Spiderman is a curse!!
I fuck with organic webs because for some reason I just can't justify in my head the insane cost, both financially and in terms of security, of constantly making web fluid in his apartment/basement/stealing it from oscorp Because like it would be traceable. What's stopping someone from just looking at the web and going "oh that's how that works" and maybe even figuring out where the chemicals are sourced from? Yeah it makes peter look smart if he built the damn shooters but the shooters aren't the impressive part, the fucking web is. ALSO the man created a substance that is biodegradable, stronger than the spun steel that bridges are suspended from, fire resistant, and dissolves in water over the course of a few hours, and he hasn't cured the world with it? Imagine disaster response with shit like that! Single use plastics would be extinct over night. From drinking straws to shipping containers. The mechanical launchers (idk if youtube's getting sensitive) opens up a can of worms too large for marvel to contain.
I mean that is the fundamental issue of all superhero super geniouses. (Except maybe the ones from Worm) Reed Richards lives in the same city and he can build shit that makes the webs look like... well like they were a highschooler's pet project
I'm not sure I've ever seen a version of his webs that were fire resistant and do we know if his webs are as strong as steel? I know there's a line about that in the Raimi movie but of course that has organic webbing so it doesn't count for this scenario. I figured his webs were strong enough to hold him while swinging and restrain someone but we also see people able to bust out of them given enough time even if they don't have powers.
Im more thinking, why did peter think of spiders when he could have just thought monkeys. I usually relate things to other mammals and not insects when it comes to things i do
He thought of spiders because he actually knew a spider bit him in the comics unlike in the Raimi movies. The comics also explain that the genetic transfer from the spider gave him the info he needed to make web fluid.
Tbh i think watching the 60s show as a kid, where every other episode peter either runs out of web fluid or creates a macguffin one, organic is probably easiwr
Even the actors for Peter and Harry had a running joke that the two of them definitely had a "thing" when they were younger. They give me the vibes of two friends who were never official but have _definitely_ gotten high and made out at least once.
I was talking to friends, I suspect the bugs are more frequent on the 60fps mode. Cause I rarely received any of this extreme nonsense. And I played it twice
I can think of a few games like Spider-Man 2 that feel this way but it really helped me come up with a new review method where because the game is so overwhelmingly good it is easier to only talk about the minor issues because of just how much positive stuff there is to say about the game
I always prefered that tech web slingers as it helped with that fantasy of "anyone can be spiderman" verus organic shooters, since in theory any old shmuck could use the slinger without needing spiderman's powers which it makes for a more fun fantasy for me then the powers being innate to spiderman AKA like every other superpower in fiction ever.
But don’t you need to be insanely smart to even begin the concept of such a device? And you pretty much have to be bit by the spider too in order to get the “natural” abilities he has anyway. Why not make organic webs one of those abilities if the spider bite is the key component
I don't care how sensible natural web shooters are, I will always prefer mechanical ones. This segment has reinforced that opinion by giving me something new to see in my nightmares, thanks guys lmao. The only time I liked natural web-shooters was with Miguel 'O Hara, it did a lot to reinforce the freakier feel of his spider powers, especially with the claws and fangs.
Organic web shooters are super gross but it still fits as Spider-Man is well...a Spider-Man, as like a guy who got spider powers by a radioactive spider mutating his DNA with pseudo science stuff, as a kid who grew up with the Raimi I remember finding out that he actually uses mechanic web shooters kinda dissapointing since his powers were pretty much just being a really agile guy that can climb walls. Actually organic web shooters are just as creepy mutant freakazoid as him sticking to walls with his limbs lol
How many spiders actually "shoot" their webs instead of just pressing the web to a surface to make a trap? Even an "accurate" organic web orifice would need a mechanical web shooter in order to actually shoot a web that you could swing with.
I made the same exact expression as woolie, fuckin WEB SHOOTER PROLAPSE UUUUUGH. Just imagine something we can create naturally like spit or snot, despite having unlimited ammo you do run out of them after consecutive usage. You gotta recharge that super
it would be fine if we have Any Way to see how much web he still has (ala Dead Space spine healthbar). so we can feel the tension of running out. if not then it feels like an ASSPULL, like the author cant think of a way to add tension so Boom out of nowhere Spiderman is out of web. With organic shooters you can understand why he runs out, either fatigue or story based demoralization. oh and where does Spidy get this substance? if it artificial can anybody create it? where does a usually broke guy buy this chemicals?
I mean I've only seen him run out of webs once and the only other way that they had tension is straight up "oh the villian just broke my web shooters." Or the games have enemies that can jam them until you beat them
In the many years following the Spider-Man original trilogy I recall comic book nerds hating the entire thing because it just wasn't "comic book accurate" as if that is something which inherently creates good value. Just because something came originally doesn't make it inherently better by any metric. In fact, it's clearly a better choice to have Peter have organic web shooters because we were able to see him actually struggle with his personal life which then made him lose his powers and he literally could not do it anymore. The tech web shooters are fine, but there's nothing you can do with them meaningfully besides "oh no I forgot to fill them up again!"
Every time i think of organic webshooters i think of that one vine of Tobey Maguire's webshooter being edited into a cumshot video and the idea of organic webshooters has been ruined ever since
Let's be real, the only reason for tech webs to exist is so Spiderman can go "Oh no! I'm out of webs!" at a critical moment.
And as cheap as it is, baking in limitations for your character is smart writing. Especially a very situational one very much up to the writer that can be ignored or implemented at will with consistent in universe justification.
Not saying this specific one isn't kinda cheap but it's good foundation.
it’s also the one display of Peter’s intellect in SM’s base character design
And then Spider-Man 2 happens.
Or to have them get busted mid fight like the final boss of Spiderman 2018
Yeah and it's GREAT
Organic makes sense by sheer logic that it's weird that the one power you would expect Spider-Man to have is the one he can't naturally do
Like...yeah, it's weird that that's not what a SPIDER would give him, but it gives him Hulk strength? A spider being kinda strong for its sized doesn't really equate to you can pick up a car, how is it a copy-pasted STR percentage boost?
I mean, altering his biology so he has silk sacks in his arms doesn’t make much sense either
Might as have him shoot webs out of his butt then, to keep up with that logic
@@jfp4life Honestly even that doesn't really work because spiders don't really have a 'butt.' The webbing comes from their thorax.
Yeah if we want to be more "scientifically accurate" then we woudn't have a Spider-Man in the first place lol, convienently changing stuff with pseudo science is the most normal stuff in superhero stories, why are organic web shooters suddenly "immersion breaking"?
1:25 thats a new laugh from Woolie. Didn't know about that one!
He's done the Eddie Murphy laugh before, but it's super rare!
You know the podcast is cursed when Woolie turns into a seal by laughing
You know, I was here for a long time and I heard it for the first time now.
My brother actually raised a good point in that the organic web shooters lean into the original conceit that "spiderman could be anyone under the mask" which he always felt was completely undermined by the prerequisite of being a scientific genius.
And spiderman being anyone is technically undermined by the idea of requiring disgusting weird prolapse orifices in your arms lol. Same shit
That argument just boils down to *"spiderman can't be anyone because he has unique characteristics"* there's nothing there
You can really tell who has read Spider-Man comics and whose knowledge of spider man is mainly the Raimi movies by the way they talk about stuff in the game
The advantage of mechanical web shooters: More designs and modified web shots (Web bomb, taser, etc).
Downside: Money, Time to make it and repair it.
Advantage of organic: A possibly endless source of web, will always be at its strongest.
Disadvantage: Limit source and might be affected by diet. If that gets injured, its either not usable for a while or its permantly damaged.
For some reason, I *really* want a popular elseworlds story where Peter Parker got injured during a rescue mission and one of his arms is a cybernetic implant with dozens of web shooter options.
@@antonhanna2423Cyber Spider sounds awesome, I want him
@@antonhanna2423 Honeslty that would be interesting to read/watch.
@@antonhanna2423we kinda had this with spider-girl but it was his leg rather than his leg.
As for Organic Webshooters
Yes it does affect ones diet. There was a time the City of New York were getting Spider-Man Powers. Peter was teaching a friend to eat a lot of starchy foods
New Woolie Laugh Unlocked
Nah he's done the Eddie Murphy laugh before
it is rare but im sure ive heard it before
I disagree, I think if the established canon is that he has Tech-Web-Shooters and someone willingly chooses to make the web shooters organic instead, thus welcoming the reality of the Wrist-Mounted Pink Socks, that person who made the change has to be the least cowardly person possible. The future is NOW.
The thing I find funny about the whole "organic Spider-Man would shoot webs out of, or above, his ass" thing is that Venture Brothers did a whole parody character with that premise in their later seasons with The Brown Widow, and it was done before MCU even had Spider-Man and was handled with enough restraint that each moment involving that joke wasn't annoying and repetitive.
Not a Venture Bros fan, but wasn't part of the parody also that he was otherwise played completed straight as a Spidey clone compared to all the others? That being that he's still got the embarrassing "haha webs out butt" joke, but is basically still pretty much just Spider-man.
@@ReconHunter101
Including being simultaneously 21, 16 and 35 all at the same time. The real Spidey experience of being wildly inconsistent and noncommittal about how old you ought to be!
"Blink twice if he's your pimp."
Their wonder woman parody was actually cooler and more flavorful than real Diana lmao
Why the fuck DOES she fly an invisible jet? A chariot makes infinitely more sense
Organic webs implies he makes them within his body. Since spider silk is made out of proteins, he will eventually get dehydrated and malnurished from swinging around. He essentially needs to carry a huge bag of trail mix at all times.
He lives in New York, whenever he's feeling low he can just stop by a hot dog stand. It stimulates the local economy.
I remember watching the 1994 _Spider-man,_ specifically Episode 3, "Return of the Spider-Slayers" and seeing Spidey pull back his sleeve just a little bit to reload his web-shooters, in the process revealing what looked to me like a robot arm. I briefly wondered if this meant Spidey was a cyborg, because the web-shooters for that show looked way more like robot parts than web-shooters tend to.
I don't know if it was that same show or the next one, but I remember catching a random episode one morning that had this scene of Peter talking to a child(in his bedroom I think? It could have been a hospital room) because the kid was depressed that he could never be a hero without powers. Peter reveals and explains his webshooters to make the kid feel better.
Now, as a wee babby, I think I only had seen the first Toby movie, and my young brain legitimately thought Peter was lying to the kid to make him feel better.
Don't think the MTV one, _Spectacular_ or _Ultimate_ ever had Spidey hang out with a kid, but he did go to see a girl in the 94 version's Season 3 episode "Sins of the Fathers: Chapter II: Make a Wish" (yes that is the full title). Spidey gets a fan letter from a kid and (eventually) decides to go see her, then recounts to her his origin story, explains how his web-shooters work, and at the very end reveals his identity to her. As he swings away we see the building they were in was a home for terminally ill children.
@@WillKeaton That sounds exactly like what I saw as a child, but I definitely didn't see the whole episode and didn't understand the terminal part.
That was impressive, thank you👍
To both comments, you are indeed talking about the 90's Animated Spider-Man series. Good show.
"Spiderman hasn't been ruined yet"
- "Challenge accepted."
Paul: And I took that personally
Organic web shooters are fine for other Spider-men, but the whole point of *Peter Parker* having mechanical web shooters was to show he was a nerdy, science-loving guy who could build all kinds of crazy gadgets. Peter running into a problem and using his science knowledge to solve it was a plotpoint in a lot of those old Lee/Ditko comics. It was a cool way to show a character trait. I miss those old Spider-man comics.
I wonder how many people never learned that you can web glide into water to slide on it then jump activate wing suit back to sliding on water. Feels so nice
I find the web wings feel the best when used to serve your swinging. You can use them to gain speed and height and then hit R2 at any time, presuming there's a swingingable building there.
I think the web wings compliment the swinging perfectly they're a good addition. You never absolutely have to use them but they're useful in places like Queens with shorter buildings and even in the middle of Manhattan they can help you build or maintain your momentum. Swinging is still the main mode of transportation though I don't feel like the wings replace that at all.
I think they’re best used in places like Central Park where you can’t really get a good swing going. It really was just a practical Dead Zone in the first game.
I use them for the waterways that often tend to have little to no options for swinging, like if you want to cut across the pond in Central Park that in the first two games would always result in you landing in the water and having to swim out unless you swung around the perimeter.
I once encountered a webcomic with a spider woman who shoots webs out of her -butt- lower back! It's called Spinnerette I think. She also has 6 arms and wears a fake fatsuit to hide them. I also remember her chugging protien shakes every other second like the Flash in order to keep producing her butt webs.
You'd be correct, it's terrible and shows up as ads on 4chan all the time.
Aint nothing wrong with organic webs yall we cant be doing this every year
We will do this until the end of time 😤 after all we all know spidermans webs are the most important part of a spiderman story
squirting out fluids/substances to fight is just kinda weird imo. Do any other heroes do that? Feels like something only villains or monsters do, like acid spit or something
@@jfa99Idk how a spider themed hero making webbing is somehow weirder as a concept than the fire dude turning into fire, or fuckin' wizard casting spells, or the _Norse God wielding a mythological hammer made of a star and summoning storms_
@@funnyvalentinedidnothingwrong it makes sense but the way it comes out of like a web vein in his wrist grosses me out for whatever reason
@@jfa99I mean there’s examples of superheroes using biological byproducts; spider-man 2099 has organic webs but he also has teeth that can deliver a paralyzing effect when he bites you. A lot of the X-men characters can be technically be considered this if you want to count energy blasts as body byproducts but even then you have characters like marrow who can regrow bones and she can shoot them out of her body or use them like daggers and two other examples for the X-men are gold balls who can shoot golden eggs out of his body and soft serve who’s superpower is that she can literally poop out soft serve ice cream. Even venom who has been more on the side of the heroes since 2011 when flash Thompson became the new host for venom can be considered this due to the suit using dead biomass to shoot the webs and even the green drool is just the symboite filtering out the waste of it’s host aka piss and shit.
Yo I've never heard Woolie laugh like that. That was a true gutteral laugh. Love it.
Is organic web really out of place compared to it IS canon that he has retractable tiny hairs that pierce his clothes to stick to any surface? Including his SHOES?
It’s not about logic. It is as Woolie said, the original comics used tech web shooters, so that is what fans got used to. If the comics had organic webs & the 2002 movie made Peter shoot webs with a gadget, people would complain about it at about the same rate even though it doesn’t matter
The tiny hairs come from the same place as the organic webs, the Raimi movies. That's not how he sticks to things in the comics.
@@Aeonize then how does he do it?
@@TheJadedJames you missed the point on the logic that people don't like organic because of the biological implications like the prolapse part.
Honestly that's my first thought too,like it's basically a Tobey exclusive ability, but how in the hell does it work anywhere else?
Fun fact, originally Rami wanted Techno web shooters, but for time I believe, they were cut. You can actually see them still on Peter when he's messing around with his web powers in his room. Double fun fact: Organic Web shooters were going to be in James Cameron's scraped Spider-Man movie.
Weird seeing people complain about wings invalidating swinging when point launch was already way better than normal swinging. If you have to haul ass in those games, you point launch, not swing.
They made your max swing speed way faster in Spider-Man 2 compared to the first game so I'd say swinging is now faster than just doing point launch though that still remains a good way to builds up a lot of momentum quickly.
I grew up with the early 90's Spider-Man cartoon and the PS1 game so it was always mechanical shooters to me.
Then I saw the first Raimi film and how they made it organic web shooting and I just shrugged and was like "I guess this is how this film is handling it".
It was never really a complaint or controversy to me.
Same. I always preferred organic, because hes supposed to be a mutant. But never really cared aside from the early games thatd let you run out of web.
20:50 Pat’s reaching a bit with that Peter and Harry having Homo Sex energy. I have a friend who I love dearly, like a brother. Their friendship reminded me so much of the one I have with my best friend. Male friendships can be that close, without romantic or sexual connection at all. It cheapens it to just say it feels romantic or sexual, even on accident. The dude came out of tube after having a terminal disease, and the two haven’t seen each other in years, and they’re best friends. I didn’t get that kind of undercurrent even a little. The two clearly love each other immensely, like family. That happens. And I’m lucky enough to have a friendship like that myself.
last night i ran into the white cube bug, and after a bit the character model stopped loading all together, so i exited to the main menu to see if it would fix it. But then as i went into the title screen, Peter wasn't on screen and i heard his death sound, the screen went black and it loaded the title screen again. this kept happening indefinitely until i closed the game entirely. creepypasta level bugs, man.
0:59 Organic web shooters are better. They just simplify everything. It would be pretty easy for someone to figure out how the synthetic webs are made, and it would be pretty easy to track anyone procuring materials to do so. Organic web shooters can also facilitate some pretty interesting stories, such as Peter Parker's existential crisis in Sam raimi's Spider-Man 2.
Also you can still DO tech web shooters with the organic stuff, Peter can find ways to improve the webbing using his own, so it evolves from a natural webbing to an advanced unbreakable mechanical webbing so he doesn't need the organic stuff as much anymore.
Then say, his web shooters get stolen and he has to rely on his weaker natural webbing for a while! See how easy that is?
True, but they have an irl timer of 1-2 hours to collect, bring back to a lab, and analyze it before it dissolves. And that’s if Peter hasn’t altered the formula to dissolve faster
Looking up the ingredients (granted, these are from the MCU, so who knows how much it deviates from other sources) doesn’t narrow down any location imo, as some of these chemical compounds are found in common objects like a fire hydrants, soap, glue, coffee and nail polish remover
I ALWAYS thought it was organic shooters even before the Raimi movies came out. I figured he just didn't have an infinite supply and basically had to produce the webbing like it was on a cooldown after so long.
The web shooters and much of the other elements of his skill set being tech based was always my least favorite part of the comic explanations. At that point it's less he got spider powers from a spider and more he just got generic super strength and a danger sense and everything else is just an aesthetic he crafted.
Him actually having power akin to a spider even if it makes it gross the more you think about it is WAY more interesting than just web cartridges that can run out when the writers need them to.
All of this. The dumb butt web "gotcha" people bring into these arguments ignores the fact this is also a universe where Gamma rays made a man giant and green whenever he gets mad rather than cancer, or another can heal well enough to regenerate from a metal skeleton is the equivalent of saying "but you live in society, checkmate!", when the whole universe is built on weak/fantastical foundations for entertainment lol.
I just think it's kinda nuts that non-organic Peter's first thought was "I need a form of transportation around New York so I can do hero stuff... I know! I'll fit tiny, overdesigned cannisters of super sticky silly string onto my wrists and _fling_ myself around the city with dangerous force and speed! That seems efficient! And there are certainly NO OTHER OPTIONS!"
@@conspiracypanda1200 Hey it gets him around that New York traffic at least.
@@conspiracypanda1200he's a nerd. He got his powers from a spider, so he decides to theme his stuff around it. I think that speaks a lot about his character then him just using what would be most effective, or in the case of organic webs, the option being given to him effort free.
Organic makes more sense for a movie. Hes a high school kid/dumpster diving rent struggling adult how is he constructing this miraculous technology that would put billion dollar enterprises to shame? If hes got spider powers, give him the most notable aspect of a spider. Its fine, it provokes way less questions than "The kid who just happened to be bit by a spider also coincidentally is the 3rd smartest person on the planet"
Fuck! New Woolie Laugh just dropped!
I love how men can’t be close friends in media with out being accused of being gay, and it’s really annoying. It’s why men have a hard time showing emotions because they get called gay because they are close to another male. Sad that Pat feeds into that
Exactly what I was thinking. I never got any gay vibes during any of their interactions.
I was going to comment the exact same thing. But then those same people will claim to be against toxic masculinity smfh
That and Pat, much like Woolie needs to turn just about everything into a bit.
Pat saying MJ was a third wheel is just incorrect too. Harry was very obviously treated as a third wheel on their "date". Harry leaves for a short while to give Peter and MJ some alone time and later flirts with a woman he sits next to on a roller coaster ride, while he lets Peter and MJ sit together. None of this screams "MJ is a third wheel" to me. I just can't understand what Pat interpreted as Harry and Peter having feeling for each other when Harry is very clearly supportive of Peter and MJs relationship. It's just two friends talking about their feelings and being excited that they get to see each other again. Nothing about that has romantic implications, no matter what gender they are.
I mean, why stop there? If the web-shooting comes from organic glands, there's the very real possibility of obstructions, or infection. Like Spiderman trapping a robber in a spiderweb net that is kind of yellow-ish, with some red spots and he's like "Sorry about that, I really gotta see a doctor about that"
The idea of being covered in purulent webbing is somehow worse than pink socked web shooters and I hate you for it
The whole point of Spider-Man that was said to us time and time again is that ANYONE can be a Spider-Man. He's supposedly the most relatable hero, a guy of the streets, a friendly neighborhood Spider-man.
But if you need to be a techo and bio genius to develop an ESSENTIAL element of Spider-Man that makes him Spider-Man (not only the shooters, but a web formula), then only a few people blessed with money or intellect can become an actual Spider-Man. Without web-shooters you're just an Enchanced-Man. And that's not it. We have enough of "Enchanced-Man", but we're not talking about them.
So yeah, no, organic shooters are the choice and it's not even close. Not even close. Also, nothing wrong with a bit of body-horror or strangeness spiced in a design.
Techbro biogenius Peter could open source that web formula to make it available for the everyman, but superheroes are fascist by design so a lot of the conceit is that "anyone can be Spider-Man" in theory, but in practice that title only belongs to super-special Chosen One types and especially ones that fit the fandom's preconceived notions of "worthy".
Preach
@@ultimamage3 Calling superheroes "fascist by design" might be one of the most wild things I've seen people say about the genre. Peter isn't a "chosen one" regardless of how his webs work he just happened to be at the right place at the right time that is literally the point.
Huh? How is "extra magical and unique superpowere webs that can only happen in this specific gene splicing circumstance" LESS exclusive than tech that a highschooler (albeit a genious one) built and anyone can potentially replicate?
@@nahuel3433 Because being bitten by radioactive Spider that gives you this powers is a miraculous opportunity, it always was. It's a small miracle that gives ANYONE a power and a responsibility, and the rest must all depend on them. Peter was just some nerdy guy, but with these new powers and responsibility he, like anyone in his place would be, gains an ability to become Spider-Man that we know and love.
Dragging the concept of him not only being granted an extremely rare miracle chance, but ALSO him being THAT ONE GUY that can actually develop all of this techonology to make powers functional... That brings nothing to the table, only makes this less probable for anyone else.
Think about it: if his heroic unique powerset depends on his technology too, then why isn't he the one who gave himself other powers of the spider-bite too? Like literally just a smart guy that developed all of this? Because it would be other hero, other heroes theme, it would be more like a Tony Stark character. Spider-Mans character is a complete opposite: he's granted this power by chance, and the rest is his own heroic morals, power of will and even intelligence too - just not in an extent to develop this crucial tech. And his story kinda tries to tell you that anyone can be like that too, they just have to have the same will and good intent. It's pretty simple.
holy shit woolies been putting in work
My stance on the webshooters is that I prefer biological, I am willing to accept them being enhanced by a tech augment of some sort, but purely tech seems dumb. The sole reason for this is that without natural web he just has "super strength and enhanced senses" (and wall climbing I guess) which is such a generic power set.
Every time someone says "he's not a Spider Man if he got no spider power!" makes me ask "What's Batman?"
@@AncelDeLambert Batman was not bitten by a radioactive bat
I will never get tired of hearing a new Woolie laugh
I can see a possibility of both Organic and Tech webbing. Maybe the Organic webs are easier to use when fighting for the sake of blinding opponents or disabling weapons. But if he tries to use enough webs to swing or fulling web a criminal, its SUPER uncomfortable and maybe downright painful to produce that much thick webbing.
So he is able to make tech shooters that are able to shoot that powerful webbing so he can swing and subdue criminals comfortably.
Spiderman gets depression, and his organic webholes stop working because they are connected to his feelings. So he switches to his robotholes to compensate.
I was always in the mechanical boat until i saw a comment that made a great point that organic ones do a better job of reinforcing the "anyone could've been spiderman" thing
Only bug I encountered was Peter turning into a white cube. The only way to fix strange animation or texture bugs is to actually close the game and open again. And it crashes occasionally. Weird game pretty good though. Didn't even hate miles suit I think there are worse suits you can put on him.
The funniest bug I keep getting is having Miles speak in Peter's voice almost every time I switch to him.
I actually got Miles doing Peter's voice lines in a phone conversation with MJ during one of those switches because apparently I hit the time threshold for a new quest right as I switched. I also got a slow motion bug during one of the early Miles tutorials where it slows down the game for you to use a new power on gadget, but it refused to speed the game back up. I had to restart the checkpoint to fix it.
Woolie really needs to play the game for himself cause Pat is unintentionally making a really good job at making very minor nitpicks seen really major but at least he realizes that those are minor stuff.
That's Pat's specialty
Peter has plenty of non-movie related suits in hte new game, it's jsut that the beginnign of the game frontloads them as the unlocks since they're nostalgic for most people. i got the Fantastic 4 suit, Spider-verse noir suit, Moon Knight, etc. very early on
I will say it's pretty disappointing that most of those unlocks are things that were already in previous games. I've already seen all of those not that long ago so it would have been nice if they cut the movie costumes in half and put in some of the far more obscure designs, or maybe even the Ben Reilly/Spider-Girl costume.
I just think it sucks that 11 of the suits are movie suits and part of the unlock tree, should have just been available from the start Like when they were patched into the first game
@@originalscreenname44 Honestly, I wouldn't mind them having ALL the suits from the first game so long as they didn't take up slots for new suits.
You know, in the comics when Peter originally had the venom suit. His webs were organic, because the symbiote was replicating his need to be able to get around and he didn't have access to make or repair his web shooters during the Infinity War.
How much pizza is Peter scarfing down on a daily basis to be shooting out organic webs all the time? Where is it coming from? Does it dehydrate him? Does he have to clean his little web vents with a q-tip? Are they sensitive?
They are sensitive, there's one Spidey/Deadpool comic where Deadpool rubs Peter's web hole until it spontaneously sprays out fluid
The Ultimate Spider-Man game was the first place I remember seeing tech web shooters after growing up with the Raimi movies, and even as a six year old I remember thinking they were dumb.
Tech shooters if you're smart like peter to develop it.
Organic shooters if you're not smart like peter.
I love when i switch to Miles right after a mission, MJ calls and Miles answers AS PETER
Pat seeing two friends act friendly and care about each other and thinking it's gay or homobait reveals he's never had a close friend and that's sad.
It's stuff like this that makes guys act like it's hard to have friendships with other guys cause getting too close 8s super gay. 9.9
Pat talks out of his ass alot
No this was definitely a Writer's agenda to push the Social norms for younger people further towards a specific direction
Hey, just want to say. What the fuck was Pat yapping about? I just saw a video of all the Spider-Man costumes, and the majority look sick. The movie costumes are like 15-20% of Peter's costumes as well.
I actually don't like the lowered swing assist, since you don't have enough control over where you attach your webs to make it worthwhile. Like in SM2 on PS2, you couldn't aim them, but you had separate buttons for left and right hand, could let go with one and not the other, and overall just gave you a LOT more control over where you attached your webs. Playing with assist on 0, it felt more like I was reacting to where spidey would shoot his webs and adapting around that, instead of any sort of control about it.
Lol to Pat: “I really hate that gliding is in the game. Using the glide in all the new places where glide is useful is fun, but having the option to use it in the places where it isn’t fun is just the worst.”
I think the venture bros had a spider man knock off where it came out just above his ass. Also it included the disgusting pink sock.
what a laugh woolie has
cursed
I get the shooters are long term canon mechanical and they offer potential different options for combat and stuff.
However the one thing most versions gloss over is that this guy who can barely make rent majority of the time, SOMEHOW also has the time/money/resources to produce essentially thousands of gallons of web fluid under enormous psi in his apartment without Aunt May finding it lol.
Maybe some comics go into it (I know they play fast and loose with the amount of force required to squeeze the trigger. Usually its a ton of force, other times MJ can conveniently use it etc), but most major adaptations don't acknowledge it at all.
His superhero hobby is the main reason he can't pay rent, both by taking time away from his job and by sinking what funds he does make into it.
@@MattManDX1 There's also the fact that web fluid is pretty cheap to make since Peter can essentially make them from some fairly common products. He's also a super-genius who's an expert at improvisational science. Guys like Reed Richards, who is often considered one of the smartest people in the universe, and Hank Pym, who is the science equivalent to Doctor Strange, are often impressed by his intellect.
"SOMEHOW also has the time/money/resources to produce essentially thousands of gallons of web fluid"
It's almost like Peter is a goddamn genius bordering on, if not surpassing, Stark level.
PETER PARKER BUILT THESE WEB SHOOTERS IN A DINGY APARTMENT! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
@@wselfwulfwulf9746 I like how everyone replying to this is missing the broader context and cherry picking sentences out lol. I mention most versions fail to address it (speaking mostly to major adaptations, not comics which I highlight), and that Aunt May also has zero idea this is here. I wasn't saying organic was superior or anything in my comment at all and everyone is (seemingly) offended because I'm calling out a lack of world building being hand waived in major adaptations just to stay "classic".
If that was not your intent I sincerely apologize for reading that with snark, and I do *greatly* appreciate the IM1 reference that ended your comment lol.
“i’m not playing batman. i’m playing fucking spider-man”
after the supportive but dumb dad pops in to say “you winnin’ your batman game son?”
I remember as a kid i thought spider man only had organic web shooters. I watched the 90’s cartoon when i was really young but the sam raimi movies took over what i knew or thought i knew about spider man. But, it turns out, there was at least one story arc in the comics where he actually does get organic web shooters for a while because some weird event was making his body more like a spider’s somehow. My memory is very fuzzy on it.
I'm reminded of how the wingsuit in Just cause broke the magic of chaining hookshot into parachute as if you where playing spiderman.
Tech Web shooters are better narratively and mechanically since they have limits and can facilitate dumb web tech...
But if the spider bit ME then you better believe I want that shit to include slingers, im not inventing shit.
If you're interested in "what if organic spiderman but anatomically accurate", that's basically what Spinnerette is about, she got mutant spider powers which came with +4 arms (which she has to hide in her day-to-day under a fatsuit) and webs from out the backside. It's a webcomic (done in american comic style) so you can read (most of) it free online 👍
Am I crazy?
Pat when he had Wikipedia open looked like white bleached Kanye
After reading your comment, I can’t unsee it now.
I have been cursed with recurrent nightmares about being spiderman ever since I was a child. They don't happen all the time but it happens often enough to be a bother, and I say nightmares because they involve discomfort and pain involving organic web shooters. Something about the mere idea of it must have triggered my child mind so badly that I've been having dream about it for years. It's always itchy, uncomfortable, bulging wirst butthole and I just can't get away from it no matter what I do, it always returns.
after this I'm probably gonna have another spiderman dream soon just from thinking about it. Thanks!
After wearing the black suit for a while peter does actually get a significant speed or acceleration boost when swinging. He even gets black suit specific animations
About the Lets Read segment of the podcast.
It feels super weird that Woolie is like "Yeah, I hope it'll be good, the thing i'm most worried about is that it'll come off super dry and boring"
Meanwhile the thing that Pat is very clearly most worried about seems to be that this opens the door for robots to put them both out of business.
I encountered one bug in one of the sub-story missions where Spider-Man swung into the scene as grossly incandescent as the sun itself. I tried switching suits and the problem persisted. Then I talked to my brother about it and he had the same thing happen on the same mission except every NPC had the glow effect on them as well. And he played through the whole mission like that with the NPCs looking like goddam lightbulbs.
The funniest one I encountered was definitely the one where Dr. Connors only loaded into a cutscene from the collar up, though. Like he was just this naked, floating head in the middle of one of the dramatic moments in the story.
All that stuff, and NPCs sometimes shooting across the screen or A-posing, or the Spider-Cube just makes me laugh. The less fun stuff was definitely the crashes. The game crashed on me like four or five times. It could not have stood up to the soak tests well, because every time I was playing for a long time I'd encounter some kind of bug or get a crash.
I wish there was a version of Spidey that had both bio and tech webbing.
A Spidey smart enough to develop tech webbing for web bombs and other spider utility gadgets, and using web shooters as a fake out for his enemies; keeping his bio webbing as an ace up their sleeve (pun not intended) is a Spidey I'd be much more entertained with.
Or maybe the web shooters could just help fire his bio webbing out quicker or something? I don't know, but there's really no reason for the separation. Other then writers wanting to be lazy, that is.
Can confirm, my first Spiderman was Toby and for the longest time I thought mechanical shooters were dumb as fuck and couldn't believe it was always that way.
I find it weird that we're talking about how spider man 1 was pretty clean, and spiderman 2 is often buggy, when miles morales was straight up broken when it was released.
I just think super genius Peter who can make miracle tech like web fluid clashes with him being poor. He has the connections, there's literally no reason for him to be anything less than rich.
I think it's mostly a matter of him not having any time between crime fighting and research, all of the 'jobs' he holds are things he can do in midst of web-slinging (photography, delivery etc.)
@@nikodemossowski4621Yes but that only makes sense if aunt May wasn’t a thing, you can’t tell me the dude can’t find time to make some money to provide a better life for his old ass aunt who raised him lol
Yeah but his best friend is the son of a billionaire though
It kinda makes sense in the Amazing Spiderman movie that he basically stole the tech from Oz-Corp's kevlar research, can't sell shit he doesn't have the patent
For every other Spiderman, I dunno, escalation... monopoly on violence, whatever etc etc "can't use it against me" "they'd immediately know I'm Spiderman"
I guess the more pertinent question is "Why is Peter broke in a story where he's worked with Tony?"
Peter is poor because he wants to. And I guess that's a pretty good reason why Osborn would hate a guy that swings around NY just helping people when he can do much more. Being Spiderman is a curse!!
That thumbnail is cursed.
"Shocker isnt in the game"
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Organic web shooters alll the way. Sorry Pat, you're wrong.
I fuck with organic webs because for some reason I just can't justify in my head the insane cost, both financially and in terms of security, of constantly making web fluid in his apartment/basement/stealing it from oscorp
Because like it would be traceable. What's stopping someone from just looking at the web and going "oh that's how that works" and maybe even figuring out where the chemicals are sourced from? Yeah it makes peter look smart if he built the damn shooters but the shooters aren't the impressive part, the fucking web is. ALSO the man created a substance that is biodegradable, stronger than the spun steel that bridges are suspended from, fire resistant, and dissolves in water over the course of a few hours, and he hasn't cured the world with it? Imagine disaster response with shit like that! Single use plastics would be extinct over night. From drinking straws to shipping containers.
The mechanical launchers (idk if youtube's getting sensitive) opens up a can of worms too large for marvel to contain.
I mean that is the fundamental issue of all superhero super geniouses. (Except maybe the ones from Worm) Reed Richards lives in the same city and he can build shit that makes the webs look like... well like they were a highschooler's pet project
@@nahuel3433 That too! The web shooders make more sense in the context of spider-man not existing within a vacuum, but he soooooooo often does
I'm not sure I've ever seen a version of his webs that were fire resistant and do we know if his webs are as strong as steel? I know there's a line about that in the Raimi movie but of course that has organic webbing so it doesn't count for this scenario. I figured his webs were strong enough to hold him while swinging and restrain someone but we also see people able to bust out of them given enough time even if they don't have powers.
@@koifish835 he's lifted cars with em dude
Who the hell wants Spider-Man to run around with extra assholes in his hands? Mechanical webshooters all the way.
Do they make jokes about Spidey's webs that much? Only one I can think of is No Way Home
Im more thinking, why did peter think of spiders when he could have just thought monkeys. I usually relate things to other mammals and not insects when it comes to things i do
He thought of spiders because he actually knew a spider bit him in the comics unlike in the Raimi movies. The comics also explain that the genetic transfer from the spider gave him the info he needed to make web fluid.
@@originalscreenname44I think raimi Pete kinda could do the math that he was bitten by something in a building full of spiders
Tbh i think watching the 60s show as a kid, where every other episode peter either runs out of web fluid or creates a macguffin one, organic is probably easiwr
Even the actors for Peter and Harry had a running joke that the two of them definitely had a "thing" when they were younger. They give me the vibes of two friends who were never official but have _definitely_ gotten high and made out at least once.
I was talking to friends, I suspect the bugs are more frequent on the 60fps mode. Cause I rarely received any of this extreme nonsense. And I played it twice
Thank Venture Bros for being brave enough to have their Spiderman parody shoot webs from his ass.
Does anyone else think it's hilarious that Pat of all people think ammunition is better than being a super human
I read the title of the video and started screaming internally because I read Pink Socked as Red Sock...
I can think of a few games like Spider-Man 2 that feel this way but it really helped me come up with a new review method where because the game is so overwhelmingly good it is easier to only talk about the minor issues because of just how much positive stuff there is to say about the game
I always prefered that tech web slingers as it helped with that fantasy of "anyone can be spiderman" verus organic shooters, since in theory any old shmuck could use the slinger without needing spiderman's powers which it makes for a more fun fantasy for me then the powers being innate to spiderman AKA like every other superpower in fiction ever.
That's why people love Batman as well. Outside of the huge money needed for the tech, his existence is improbable but possible in real life.
But don’t you need to be insanely smart to even begin the concept of such a device? And you pretty much have to be bit by the spider too in order to get the “natural” abilities he has anyway. Why not make organic webs one of those abilities if the spider bite is the key component
How does it feed into the "anyone can be Spider-man" fantasy when he has to be a Stark level genius to be able to make the webshooters?
I don't care how sensible natural web shooters are, I will always prefer mechanical ones. This segment has reinforced that opinion by giving me something new to see in my nightmares, thanks guys lmao. The only time I liked natural web-shooters was with Miguel 'O Hara, it did a lot to reinforce the freakier feel of his spider powers, especially with the claws and fangs.
We've acquired a new Woolaugh
Organic web shooters are super gross but it still fits as Spider-Man is well...a Spider-Man, as like a guy who got spider powers by a radioactive spider mutating his DNA with pseudo science stuff, as a kid who grew up with the Raimi I remember finding out that he actually uses mechanic web shooters kinda dissapointing since his powers were pretty much just being a really agile guy that can climb walls.
Actually organic web shooters are just as creepy mutant freakazoid as him sticking to walls with his limbs lol
How many spiders actually "shoot" their webs instead of just pressing the web to a surface to make a trap? Even an "accurate" organic web orifice would need a mechanical web shooter in order to actually shoot a web that you could swing with.
The Venture Bros had their Spiderman-alike, the Brown Widow, shoot his web through a gross-looking orifice on his lower-back. Just a thought.
I made the same exact expression as woolie, fuckin WEB SHOOTER PROLAPSE UUUUUGH. Just imagine something we can create naturally like spit or snot, despite having unlimited ammo you do run out of them after consecutive usage. You gotta recharge that super
I actually liked the stories where peter parker has to make a gadget to pull it off
This video title hit me like a freight train full of chemical waste
Pat and Woolie are both cowards. Organic webs are way better.
it would be fine if we have Any Way to see how much web he still has (ala Dead Space spine healthbar). so we can feel the tension of running out. if not then it feels like an ASSPULL, like the author cant think of a way to add tension so Boom out of nowhere Spiderman is out of web.
With organic shooters you can understand why he runs out, either fatigue or story based demoralization.
oh and where does Spidy get this substance? if it artificial can anybody create it? where does a usually broke guy buy this chemicals?
I mean I've only seen him run out of webs once and the only other way that they had tension is straight up "oh the villian just broke my web shooters." Or the games have enemies that can jam them until you beat them
What a horrible day to have ears
at coney island i saw harry's head rise out of his torso
interesting opinion from pat on the suits, i thought most of miles' suits sucked but i've loved peter's suits so far
Thank God someone else feels the same way. I wondered if I was the only one
In the many years following the Spider-Man original trilogy I recall comic book nerds hating the entire thing because it just wasn't "comic book accurate" as if that is something which inherently creates good value. Just because something came originally doesn't make it inherently better by any metric. In fact, it's clearly a better choice to have Peter have organic web shooters because we were able to see him actually struggle with his personal life which then made him lose his powers and he literally could not do it anymore. The tech web shooters are fine, but there's nothing you can do with them meaningfully besides "oh no I forgot to fill them up again!"
What about him grounding the metal in his shooters to better fight electro in the second Andrew movie?
@@hooliganmulligan not exactly a strong character change. Just a... Thing he did to win
I prefer organic webs. If you want to show off Spidey's intelligence just had some type of cybernetic enhancement to the shooter hole
Every time i think of organic webshooters i think of that one vine of Tobey Maguire's webshooter being edited into a cumshot video and the idea of organic webshooters has been ruined ever since
Yaaaayy! I'm that cursed individual!
I don't remember anyone in the MCU asking if Spider-Man shot webs out of his butt.
The only time I can remember was in no way home but that was more of a cum joke than it was a butt joke.
Only time was NWH