actually your other win condition would be alextrasza and double fireball frostbolt next turn... so yeah. since u cut a fireball, your deck has only 1 win condition now
No kidding. Not only did he rip out a strong win condition from his deck (probably his only viable one vs Exodia mage and Razakus priest), he also gutted his control vs control matchup so he now loses to fatigue. The "improvement" is a disaster.
CuriousMoth Of course it's included, Jens loves a good laugh too. If he really wanted, he could've pictured a very different trump, a trump that never loses and makes very smart changes to decks.
It wouldn't be a different trump. Just different editing, showcasing only positive outcomes. Poof, and all the bad stuff is gone, and you're left with a mad genius who never makes mistakes.
Takes a grinder deck... adds card draw... It's literally just a control mage. You run double arcane intellect, double arcanologist, bloodmage, and an acolyte. Running stuff like ysera, lich king, tome, etc are way better.
Buddy, chill. All people mean when they say more competitive is that it's a race to find the best decks, whereas wild doesn't change all that much - and for the record - I've won two open tournaments and have made top 500 legend multiple times. I play standard Hearthstone for the same reason I play standard in MTG. I just like seeing new cards in new decks.
Because switching between youtube and Hearthstone on phone to add the deck takes a long fucking time, besides it's just much more convienent if we could get a deck code
epic2owls Horrible argument. I've got two and don't use the HS phone app since it's huge. Aside from that why shouldn't we use a future that's been implemented as a QoL. Sharing deck codes makes the whole experience of trying Trumps' decks more convient and makes the general enjoyement of Trumps' videos in wich he plays off meta decks just much more enjoyable.... All in all your argument doesn't make any sence when there are options like these wich make viewer experience better in general.
I do wonder what you would replace the secret package with. Because if your going to fatigue ice block is useless and ice barrier isn't worth building around.
I've been trying to make this work for about a week now and I have a low win-rate. At first I thought it was like he said and I was just bad. But as I kept playing I realised that every time I lost it was to some deck that was perfectly matched against me, whether it be a heavy control priest or a hunter that could kill me in 5 turns. And every time I won, 1 in every 4 games, it was against any normal deck if expect to see in ladder. Basically almost every time I try to play this deck my opponents deck is a perfect counter to what I'm running.
I used to play a variant of grinder mage back years ago when I still played HS. Fun deck, always felt like the kind of deck the developers envisaged people playing when they first designed the game.
27:00 The game would have been a draw at worst if he hit the 1/2 to gain health and played blizzard + fireball face. The opponent's hand was 2nd drake, 2nd spreading plague, Fandral, and most likely 2nd infestation + 2nd nourish. Playing the drake would cause the board state to become a 4/4 (frozen) and 4/8 drake, plus trumps 3/1 elemental. There would be 1 turn where Ultimate Infestation would cause a draw, otherwise it was his win. With 2 elementals he can out heal the fatigue and freeze the opponents face. If he plays Spreading Plague, trump sends both elementals into one and poly + pings the other for a fresh elemental. Playing any of the 3 remaining cards wouldn't save him.
I have played this deck quite a bit. Ice Block does not belong in the deck. Ice block belongs in combo decks where you need to buy yourself a single turn. I like one frozen clone, one polymorph potion, and two counterspell. This deck does well against other mage decks but gets crushed against jade druid and other decks that go over the top of control decks.
I'm a little disappointed. From what I remember of the original 'grinder mage' ideology, it didn't run that much card draw so that the deck could try and win out a fatigue battle, should it come to that. Yet this list has 1 in every 6 cards that draw cards. I guess you could say the shift is to ensure you get Frost Lich Jaina out, but then I'm also wondering, "Where's the Fire Lands Portals, for the value and late game grinding?" Idk, maybe I'm a bit stuck in the past. But I'd argue this should be called a control mage, not a grinder mage. It doesn't feel like a grinder, to me. Edit: Oh, and Alexstraza feels completely out of place. Grinder decks don't kill opponents with combos and set up, they grind opponents to death.
theStonerKid69 I think you're getting too hung up on an ideological view of the deck whereby it can only win through grinding rather than just playing cards that are good or that win you games
I mean, you say that. But then in the video, Trump lost that last game in part because he drew too many cards and died to fatigue. Acolyte of Pain was worthless in all the games, and actually contributed to the loss I just mentioned. Thalnos only made a difference in one game, in all the games played. Could even argue that Arcanologist didn't really help too much. That's because they're basically just fancier River Crocolisks; a deck like this should have a ton of answers to hold off and delay death long enough for you to draw your secrets, you don't need a card to pull them out. And even Alexstraza was...well basically worthless in all the games, except for the last one. Like I understand the deck, when played well, can win games. I'm not denying that. I'm also not saying these are all bad cards. But so many of these cards can easily miss their mark or act as a detriment to the overall strategy that I don't see why they are in this particular deck to begin with. Much less the fact that with those cards in the deck that it'd still try to follow the same ideology as the decks that came before. And Jaina's back can only carry so much dead weight.
Why not add gedon or sindragosa, post jaina gedon is like a reno and you can play it with a nova, sindragosa gives you more resources against control decks and post jaina gives you a free elemental, in the last game any of these would have given the victory. Im really thinking add coldlight and violet ilusionist to mill control decks. (sorry for the bad english)
you need to try the baron geddon / frostlich jaina interaction in this deck, you can remove one blizzard and achieve almost the same results 50% of the games, but if you stabilise until late game, baron geddon gets a lot of value out. Lifesteal heals from his AOE damage btw
this is the n.1 deck to farm jade druids....loses vs fatigue decks though like fatigue warrior or demonlock bec of his heropower,also can be run over easily by razakus
This doesnt seem very "grindy" compared to all the decks Strifecro has played in the past. With only one win condition, this just seems like a control mage. Something like Antonidas should be a key card in all grinder mage decks i feel
This isn't Trump's fault. I've played the other version, it's a bad deck and other players were lucky on drawing well. If three or more of any of the following are in the bottom 5 of the deck, you lose: 1) DK Jaina (auto lose) 2) the five draw cards (I didn't play with acolyte) 3) AOE 4) removal 5) freeze Aside from DK, you can only have 1 or 2 of each type at the bottom and still have enough to survive. I even successfully Nova/doomsayer an evolve jade shaman on T5, geist on T6 destroying both evolves, polymorphed aya, but still lost because DK, a blizzard, and three draw cards were bottom five. There is no win condition, you just hope to draw perfectly all game and the opponent concedes.
The real mistake he made was at 26:13 he could of hit 2 for 2 and no hit from his acolite so when he play primordial there would be 2 with 1 health and an easy extra ele or 2.
That one guy didn't have a deck tracker, so he didn't actually know he was out of minions. That's pretty sad for me, I wouldn't feel good about that win if my opponent didn't have the same tools that I have.
At 12:45, why would he waste mana on a spell that grabs a minion from your deck if it doesn't have any minions left? Also it was combined with a confused misplay of forgetting to zap with his hero power, seems pretty obvious to me. It looks like he intended a certain play but was too deep in the game to keep track of how many minions were drawn out of his deck. If it was just a card to facilitate zapping, he would have zapped before using the card.
Huh, this is really simillar to what I've been playing, except mine has Medivh, Antonidas and Yogg'Saron, as well as a Cabalist's Tome. Still, it's essentially a grinder spell mage, just with a few more options. I usually play Antonidas to get one or two fireballs and bait hard removal, but if my opponent somehow doesn't kill him, he becomes an auto-win, and Medivh gives my removal a lot more value. Yogg is just the clutch card, if I'm doing really badly I throw him out as a last resort.
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Trump a month ago: "Frost Lich Jaina. 1 star."
Trump now: "Frost Lich Jaina alone can be our win condition."
Did he really rate it one star? What did he rate that fucking awful hunter one?
CuriousMoth the hunter card = good, the hunter class = bad.
"I think I played this poorly, but we might still get there" - Every Trump Video
And at the end of the video: "If I played this better we could've won"
It's variance
actually its not variance what they are talking about, variance makes you loose, although playing well
this is surreal to look back on and realize nothing has changed
actually your other win condition would be alextrasza and double fireball frostbolt next turn... so yeah. since u cut a fireball, your deck has only 1 win condition now
Mortalcoilerino Kripperino I'm surprised that a spifey fan watches trump💀😂
Yeah, without that combo there's little point in running Alexstrasza.
No kidding. Not only did he rip out a strong win condition from his deck (probably his only viable one vs Exodia mage and Razakus priest), he also gutted his control vs control matchup so he now loses to fatigue. The "improvement" is a disaster.
Armor doesn't even have to be gained after the alex comes out.
Trump always "improves" the decks in his videos
lol Forge of Souls
"I've made the deck worse by adding a completely unnecessary change that directly leads to a loss later in the video"
CuriousMoth
Of course it's included, Jens loves a good laugh too. If he really wanted, he could've pictured a very different trump, a trump that never loses and makes very smart changes to decks.
And which trump would that be, Jack?
It wouldn't be a different trump. Just different editing, showcasing only positive outcomes. Poof, and all the bad stuff is gone, and you're left with a mad genius who never makes mistakes.
Now imagine that acolyte was a fireball, in ALL those matches :D
That spellbender was so satisfying
"I've taken some slight changes to both of their decks."
Me: Oh so it sucks now then?
Takes a grinder deck... adds card draw...
It's literally just a control mage. You run double arcane intellect, double arcanologist, bloodmage, and an acolyte.
Running stuff like ysera, lich king, tome, etc are way better.
Randomly recommended to me just after Darkmoon Faire is announced, and I thought I was going crazy hearing that music in the background
This was one of my favorite decks to play back in the days of Duplicate + Sludge Belcher / Antique Heal Bot
Hunter Adkins man i miss heal bot
Wild is fun, but I prefer standard 'cause it's a more competitive format.
some people are competitive some people arent its not something that can be taught or learned lol its not that deep buddy
tygonmaster
Personally, I don't like Wild because there are *so* many more unfair bullshit cards in that meta.
Buddy, chill. All people mean when they say more competitive is that it's a race to find the best decks, whereas wild doesn't change all that much - and for the record - I've won two open tournaments and have made top 500 legend multiple times.
I play standard Hearthstone for the same reason I play standard in MTG. I just like seeing new cards in new decks.
The Deck Amaz Was Born For: Grindr Priest
T H E G R I N D M A N
here it is...
Can you add the deck code to the discription when you can or in future vids. Just makes it a little easier :D
hodgmandinio1 Trumpfans.com
Why, the deck list is on the right side of the screen for the entire video :/
Because switching between youtube and Hearthstone on phone to add the deck takes a long fucking time, besides it's just much more convienent if we could get a deck code
get a pc
epic2owls Horrible argument. I've got two and don't use the HS phone app since it's huge. Aside from that why shouldn't we use a future that's been implemented as a QoL. Sharing deck codes makes the whole experience of trying Trumps' decks more convient and makes the general enjoyement of Trumps' videos in wich he plays off meta decks just much more enjoyable.... All in all your argument doesn't make any sence when there are options like these wich make viewer experience better in general.
"It's probably important to draw towards my win condition"
This deck only wins 20% of the time but when it does, it wins 100% of time
13:18 video glitch spooked me.
"i improved the deck" - trump 2017
puts in card which work least
Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.
But Spellbreaker is an immediate punish.
Nationwide is on your side.
Trump loves Grindr Mage
GatchiGasm
The Despair, when the Priest played Shadow Essence.. upupupu...
I much appreciate the recent video titles. No clickbait, so I clicked. Thanks Jens.
A deck Trump is born to play would contain cards that read something like "Spell: if you rope on this turn, deal 30 damage to your opponent."
If Trump doesn't play V3 with all of these Danganronpa references, the world may stop making sense.
"improves" deck by cutting a fire ball for acolyte, loses because of that single"improvement"
Suddenly Monokuma
*DESPAIR!*
arcengal *Somewhere in the distance...* UPUPUPUPUPU
Was searching for this
Upupupupupupu
Ground is the word Mr Trump. Grinded, not so much.
Can we talk about the visual bug that ALWAYS happens when Anduin uses his Voidform hero power?
Am I missing something, or what's up with the 6:32 ping play as opposed to using 4/fireball ?
Hey Jens, is there a reason why you don't put the code deck in the discription?
So, after your ice block triggers. You lose the following turn?
Get RID of the Acolyte and GET MORE firepower!
I remember the days of grinder mage of deathlord
I do wonder what you would replace the secret package with. Because if your going to fatigue ice block is useless and ice barrier isn't worth building around.
I've been trying to make this work for about a week now and I have a low win-rate. At first I thought it was like he said and I was just bad. But as I kept playing I realised that every time I lost it was to some deck that was perfectly matched against me, whether it be a heavy control priest or a hunter that could kill me in 5 turns. And every time I won, 1 in every 4 games, it was against any normal deck if expect to see in ladder. Basically almost every time I try to play this deck my opponents deck is a perfect counter to what I'm running.
He just needs to take out the Acolytes and he'll have a great deck on his hands.
I used to play a variant of grinder mage back years ago when I still played HS. Fun deck, always felt like the kind of deck the developers envisaged people playing when they first designed the game.
is it intentional that my screen breaks everytime anduian voidforms
3 card draw cards in "grinder" deck with no alextrasza combo potential.
surprised he loses fatigue.
27:00 The game would have been a draw at worst if he hit the 1/2 to gain health and played blizzard + fireball face. The opponent's hand was 2nd drake, 2nd spreading plague, Fandral, and most likely 2nd infestation + 2nd nourish. Playing the drake would cause the board state to become a 4/4 (frozen) and 4/8 drake, plus trumps 3/1 elemental. There would be 1 turn where Ultimate Infestation would cause a draw, otherwise it was his win. With 2 elementals he can out heal the fatigue and freeze the opponents face. If he plays Spreading Plague, trump sends both elementals into one and poly + pings the other for a fresh elemental. Playing any of the 3 remaining cards wouldn't save him.
It's so weird go back to this video and hear Darkmoon Faire background music, it's like Jens knew that it would be a expantion 3 years later...
I mean, if this is nowdays level, then where is my sponsorship?
how does trump have a random sountrack in the back? like the fairy song in the first game and blasted land or we in the 2nd?
13:18 Did anyone else get that flicker on the screen?
Where can i find the animated backround and music at the end?
Born for Grinder Mage? Trump is StrifeCro confirmed.
29:00 why not ping face?
Dude that song in the background like ur in a circus 🎪 is awesome. Where can I find it
What is the music at the end? It sounds so familiar
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The *something what he says in game or word from title* MAN
where Megumin and the magic of the explosion?
In the "Too much effort" folder.
In the "People complained too much and we can't have nice things" folder
That last game was tough to watch
We need more arena in here.
Any guides on this deck? What is the name of the first pro?
"Which is possibly why he didn't pick Acolyte of Pain in this deck."
You don't say, Trump?
the thumbnails jens has been making are really good
If Monokuma were a minion, I would totally play it no matter how bad it was :P
Why isn't there a Skipperinno Trumperino?
Does anyone know what song was used at the end of the video?
12:46
Was... was that a Danganronpa reference?
Good to see that the visial glitches from Shawreaper Anduin still aren't fixed. Blizzard showing how much they care about quality. SeemsGood
I have played this deck quite a bit. Ice Block does not belong in the deck. Ice block belongs in combo decks where you need to buy yourself a single turn. I like one frozen clone, one polymorph potion, and two counterspell. This deck does well against other mage decks but gets crushed against jade druid and other decks that go over the top of control decks.
I would at pyros to a deck that wants to grind out it's opponent, it's just that much more elemental threat in one card that I think it would fit.
name of music at the end?
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I'm a little disappointed. From what I remember of the original 'grinder mage' ideology, it didn't run that much card draw so that the deck could try and win out a fatigue battle, should it come to that. Yet this list has 1 in every 6 cards that draw cards. I guess you could say the shift is to ensure you get Frost Lich Jaina out, but then I'm also wondering, "Where's the Fire Lands Portals, for the value and late game grinding?"
Idk, maybe I'm a bit stuck in the past. But I'd argue this should be called a control mage, not a grinder mage. It doesn't feel like a grinder, to me.
Edit: Oh, and Alexstraza feels completely out of place. Grinder decks don't kill opponents with combos and set up, they grind opponents to death.
theStonerKid69 I think you're getting too hung up on an ideological view of the deck whereby it can only win through grinding rather than just playing cards that are good or that win you games
I mean, you say that. But then in the video, Trump lost that last game in part because he drew too many cards and died to fatigue. Acolyte of Pain was worthless in all the games, and actually contributed to the loss I just mentioned. Thalnos only made a difference in one game, in all the games played. Could even argue that Arcanologist didn't really help too much. That's because they're basically just fancier River Crocolisks; a deck like this should have a ton of answers to hold off and delay death long enough for you to draw your secrets, you don't need a card to pull them out. And even Alexstraza was...well basically worthless in all the games, except for the last one.
Like I understand the deck, when played well, can win games. I'm not denying that. I'm also not saying these are all bad cards. But so many of these cards can easily miss their mark or act as a detriment to the overall strategy that I don't see why they are in this particular deck to begin with. Much less the fact that with those cards in the deck that it'd still try to follow the same ideology as the decks that came before. And Jaina's back can only carry so much dead weight.
"Maybe not entirely too unlikely" -Trump 2017
Loot Hoarder might be better than Acolyte because you can make it a Water Elemental post-Jaina.
Why not add gedon or sindragosa, post jaina gedon is like a reno and you can play it with a nova, sindragosa gives you more resources against control decks and post jaina gives you a free elemental, in the last game any of these would have given the victory.
Im really thinking add coldlight and violet ilusionist to mill control decks.
(sorry for the bad english)
Would this lose to Exodia Mage/Paladin?
The reason Zalae didn't run AoP was just as the last game showed you, grinder decks die to fatigue if they draw more than opponent.
You earned that.
If I want to play this deck but don't have mediv's valet ( cause money) what should I replace it with?
What's Monokuma doing here? Seeing him made my day.
StrifeCro is the real GrindMage master
how is sindragosa not in this deck
No more minions for shadow essence? Upupupu!
The ending ... priceless
12:50 Is that a Danganronpa reference? Lmao
Such a great final game!
what's that ending song?
I swear Trump's excuse for every single bad idea he has is 'variance'
Trump Was Born For: Grinder gachiBASS
0:59 because its greedy. there i filled in the blank.
you need to try the baron geddon / frostlich jaina interaction in this deck, you can remove one blizzard and achieve almost the same results 50% of the games, but if you stabilise until late game, baron geddon gets a lot of value out. Lifesteal heals from his AOE damage btw
this is the n.1 deck to farm jade druids....loses vs fatigue decks though like fatigue warrior or demonlock bec of his heropower,also can be run over easily by razakus
I was expecting to see if this deck is useful in the higher ranks, so I might just wait
Soooo, hwo do you win against Dk warlock if he just hero power you every turn ?
This doesnt seem very "grindy" compared to all the decks Strifecro has played in the past.
With only one win condition, this just seems like a control mage.
Something like Antonidas should be a key card in all grinder mage decks i feel
Does anyone know name of the outro music?
Crash Cortex World of Warcraft - Invincible
That edit by... what happend to Jens? :O
Ah! Just fought one of those with my "Divine balls deep" Paladin deck, almost got me in the late game, mage was one ice block short.
This isn't Trump's fault. I've played the other version, it's a bad deck and other players were lucky on drawing well. If three or more of any of the following are in the bottom 5 of the deck, you lose:
1) DK Jaina (auto lose)
2) the five draw cards (I didn't play with acolyte)
3) AOE
4) removal
5) freeze
Aside from DK, you can only have 1 or 2 of each type at the bottom and still have enough to survive. I even successfully Nova/doomsayer an evolve jade shaman on T5, geist on T6 destroying both evolves, polymorphed aya, but still lost because DK, a blizzard, and three draw cards were bottom five. There is no win condition, you just hope to draw perfectly all game and the opponent concedes.
The real mistake he made was at 26:13 he could of hit 2 for 2 and no hit from his acolite so when he play primordial there would be 2 with 1 health and an easy extra ele or 2.
13:12
a meteor for the SURCERNED SURVETUDE
Fun fact: Downloading the Grinder app will help clear constipation.
I like ur videos trump. Keep it up!
That one guy didn't have a deck tracker, so he didn't actually know he was out of minions.
That's pretty sad for me, I wouldn't feel good about that win if my opponent didn't have the same tools that I have.
Mi Ba how dod you know that? O.o
At 12:45, why would he waste mana on a spell that grabs a minion from your deck if it doesn't have any minions left? Also it was combined with a confused misplay of forgetting to zap with his hero power, seems pretty obvious to me. It looks like he intended a certain play but was too deep in the game to keep track of how many minions were drawn out of his deck. If it was just a card to facilitate zapping, he would have zapped before using the card.
Huh, this is really simillar to what I've been playing, except mine has Medivh, Antonidas and Yogg'Saron, as well as a Cabalist's Tome. Still, it's essentially a grinder spell mage, just with a few more options. I usually play Antonidas to get one or two fireballs and bait hard removal, but if my opponent somehow doesn't kill him, he becomes an auto-win, and Medivh gives my removal a lot more value. Yogg is just the clutch card, if I'm doing really badly I throw him out as a last resort.
how do you get dust fast?
thecowpooped by buying packs in the shop
The more you buy the more dust you get
can anyone tell me the name or anything about the outro?
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