I Am From the FCC. May I See Some Identification Please? You Were Too Fast In The Phonetic Lane!
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- When do you have to Identify your station? Can you use phonetics? Do you have to say your callsign and location? Must you say your Station Identification in English?
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Been a HAM for forty years. Hate quick contacts and contests. Prefer to discuss each other's liife experiences and other interests.
Im with you i hate quick contacts
Totally agree with you.
I don't care. In contests it's mandatory.
to each their own. That's why there are so many frequencies, you can always tune the dial to somewhere else
Without contests, ham will die.
Thank you for all the great info you provide to the HAM community.
Hope you're feeling good Jim!
Identifying at the end of a communication doesn’t mean every time you key up the mic. You must self-identify at the end of your conversation (aka a communication) with that individual station. If you are having a long conversation, then identify every 10 minutes and at the end of that conversation.
As for the Phonytic alphabet: N = Know
That's the way I have always read it as well, would be pretty unreasonable otherwise.
@@LiquidCheney yes but it doesn’t start with an N. It would work for K though.
Slightly at an angle I was given N as in No-one
That answered MY question, thank you! The 10 minute requirement is easily understood. As a relatively new Ham, I've heard both aspects (key end-conversation end) and with no definition, contributed to my apprehension about communicating.
In reference to the phonetic alphabet, does it bug anyone besides me when someone gives their call as Alpha, Bravo, Mike and then repeats as America, Baker, Mexico? I wish they would stick to ONE version of their alphabet instead of making it alphabet soup!! Thanks for the video, Jim. 73
Lima Golf, Luxembourg Germany, Life's Good and yes I don't like it because it does not help clarify the call sign, 73, Jim
I actually like when other stations use multiple different spelling systems.
One issue I've found with the "standard" spelling, is that people need to learn how to spell properly, and they need to practice it, and record themselves using it, and double-check if it's being used properly and so on, and in practice, nobody does that.
So what we get, are some unusual cases, where people just pronounce a letter in a very strange way, which makes it difficult to understand.
I remember an example, where I was portable, and a station was calling me. He was something like 30 dB above the noise floor, and audio quality was very good, but I could not understand his callsign. I got the suffix immediately, but the prefix was the issue. After around 5 minutes of back and forth, he said fower zanzibar, and then I got it.
I've had similar cases happen many times.
That really pisses me off I use the standard phonetic alphabet! Fun fact I was talking with a woman at a company and was giving my email address phonetically, after the first pass the lady said got it.. it threw me then she said she was in the military as a radio operator...... LOL .... LEMA....OSCAR....LEMA...when I say "THE" which is the first ward of my e-mail people always gets "V"
Kilowatt, zanzibar, Mexico, Japan.... Ya know, we as taxpayers payed a LOT of money for the feds and NATO to figure out a system that is intelligible to the most people under less than ideal radio conditions... Not sure I've heard too many "improvements" that actually improved anything... 73 AA6X
But sometimes it’s helpful for a non-native speaker of English. A number of times I throw a standard NATO phonetic out there and there’s still a problem with him getting it, so I use another word, like Yokohama, Ontario, etc., which helps. Delta, Lima, India, Papa, Foxtrot…these four sound awfully similar already, let alone with static, fading, and QRM on top of it. KILO FLORIDA 5 KILOWATT WASHINGTON ONTARIO has helped me a number of times. Side note: using KILOWATT instead of KILO does not bother me one bit. When I guy is giving his callsign and uses KILOWATT, I know he didn’t decide halfway through to tell me how much power he is running. 😂😂😂
Here is an additional note on identification. You do not have to identify your station at the beginning of each communication….just within the first 10 minutes and within each 10 minute segment there after. And as Jim stated …… once at the very end.
You look great Jim! Awesome video. 73's N1LRF
What drives me nuts is when your listening to a DX, contest or pota station and they keep giving QRZ calls without identifying. Even worse they drop the QRZ entirely and just give open air. It just creates uncertainty of when to call and you can sit and listen for 15 mins and hear no call-sign. Shouldn't have to go to DX spotter to figure out who you are.
Sounds like you would be happier with a hobby that doesn't include other people.
@@johnlockesghost5592 Why?
Wow,I thought you had identify at the beginning also. Thanks Jim.
Lots of operators think you have to use the other stations call sign when you sign off too.
Myself, I don't care what phonetic alphabet they use, Even if the phonetic they use is not "Old Fart" approved, as long as I can understand it. It's just one of the changes happening.... no matter how much we kick and scream on the way out.
Thanks Jim, 30 years on it is still confusing
In Canada we only identity every 30 minutes. We do not have to identify at the end of each transmission when you are in the same QSO. You do identity when QSO is complete. Many use the American rules so as not to ruffle any feathers.
Jim,
As amateur radio operators we are compelled by law to comply with all strictures of part 97.
97.119 (b) states that it is permissible to identify the transmitting station with CW; as long as 20 WPM is not exceeded.
One quick glance at an amateur radio band plan, it refreshes my memory that phone, image, and CW are permitted for Extra class operators (as one example) from 14.150 to 14.350 MHz.
While within the 'phone' section of 20 meters, operating SSB. A station could fairly easily be configured to play a recording of their call sign in CW when releasing PTT. An amateur radio operator could theoretically log an unlimited number of transmissions or QSOs, without ever verbally stating their call. All the while without ever disobeying the FCC.
Thanks for the video.
That sounds annoying. W6LG I probably wouldn't talk to that guy. W6LG But you are right as usual W6LG Thanks W6LG
Thank you, Jim. I'm relatively new to Ham radio (3 yrs) but have an extensive background using radio so this has been a pet peeve of mine. I have sometimes waited 5 mins on a POTA station to get their call before trying to make a contact. People seem to be more interested in number of contacts than in following the rules. As a hunter (or CQ responder) I can't verify the contact unless I have their call. In the long run they loose. Hope you are feeling better. Keep up the good posts. KE8NJT 73.
Wow. 5 *WHOLE* minutes.
This brings to mind the time Riley Hollingsworth sent out warning letters to people for IDing in phonetics, not realizing that such was perfectly legal under Part 97. Which is nothing compared to the time he sent out warning letters to people for using 146.520 because it wasn't a "simplex" frequency. We needn't broach the topic of him engaging in completely arbitrary retests of amateurs [including some who'd been directly licensed by the Commission as opposed to VEs which, under 97 he had no authority to retest] as a form of alternate "punishment" but which NEVER once was used against a true "problem" operator [a number of 14.275/14.313/7.200/3.860/3.927 miscreants fall into that category].
LOL! I love the phonytic alphabet! Here's a few suggestions for your uncompleted letters:
C - Cent
O - opossum
I will be thinking for the rest of them. 73!
An awesome "reference book" for horrible phonetic ideas is "P is for pterodactyl". I actually got it for my daughter to drive her crazy, but it's a very very good example of how horrible things could be (in this case).
I like the word 'okay' as the phonetic for the letter 'O', and the word 'nine' for the letter 'N'. Plus, I kinda like the word 'you' for the letter 'Y'. :)
Many times on net's you will go back and forth real quick in a couple minutes, but when the net control decides to end your comment time they just move on, and you don't get a chance to ID.
I wish we would all use the International Radiotelephony Spelling Alphabet, the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) Phonetic Alphabet, or the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) Phonetic Alphabet (all identical). I'm tired of hearing Norway, Yokohama, Zanzabar, etc. I can understand using an alternate if they are having difficulty hearing the standard.
K4KYV and WA1HLR is a good one for using their own phonetics.
Nice funny phonetics list….how about “O as in Ouija”?
I'm new to ham radio and always learn something from you. Tuanks, Jim!
Hey Jim, how do you remember that list? I like the military Phonetics. Learned them years ago and still use them. All these that people make up can confuse.
I'll never forget how we were giving bad phonetic spellings like k as in knife or p as in pterodactyl. And my buddy tried to get on on it and said Q as in Quala. It's Koala dude!
My now wife tried to spell something phonetically to me. Her Y word was Yak! LOL!
lol... I wonder what the rest are? It would be funny to hear someone come on and just start rattling off animals completely deadpan ...
"This is jackrabbit 7 beaver kangaroo, calling giraffe 7 hippopotamus zebra" XD
Excellent video. You already have "P" , but Pterodactyl is another "good one!" One thing that drives me up the wall, is when a station identifies after every single transmission.
Oh, and for "O" Opossum!
The confusing part of 97.119 is the word "communication", as in, "must transmit its assigned call sign on its transmitting channel at the end of each communication." Some hams might take "end of a communications" as the end of the QSO. It would have been a lot more clear if the FCC replaced the word communications, with "radio transmission."
Read the rules when I got my license (30+ years ago), understood them then, they haven't changed.
I thought it was always very clear to give your call (at least) every 10 minutes or at the end of a conversation, even if that conversation was only 2 minutes long. I have to believe that most HAMS know this. and all of the FCC rules. But I guess that someone may not know this, So I thank you for this Video.
This was heard from a dispatcher with 25 years experience.
K Cowboy
Q Cuba
You can’t make this stuff up.
W6lg with a refresher! I remembered this one
I love the list! By the way, has anyone heard air traffic control or good aircraft communication. It is a sandwich of whom you are calling, your own callsign (n-number), the radio communication (subject) in plain aircraft speak and your callsign. Point: at the end of each transmission is your call sign…
Well in aviation they are communicating with LOTS of other aircraft so its necessary that the ATC and pilots understand EACH and every communication. In addition on FIRST contact with ATC you are supposed to give aircraft type and FULL identifier ie. "BOSTON tower, Skyhawk November 682Alpha is with you in bound for landing with information Kilo"
The tower could respond "82Alpha, proceed to a left downwind for runway 3" the pilot responds "Proceed to a left downwind for 82Alpha"
Notice the pilot repeats what ATC is telling the pilot, this way there is no mistake as to what was said. In addition ONLY the ATC can shorten the aircraft call sign to 3 characters. Also do NOT say CESSNA November 682Alpha. Reason: ATC has no IDEA if you are a Cessna Citation JET or a small single engine plane like a Cessna 172.
Full call sign is used upon initial contact as there may be other aircraft in the area that ends in 82A. Always follow ATC call signs to you (full or abbreviated) do not abbreviate on your own
I'm Write Neine Hour Jalapeno and I approve this message.
16 year 911 dispatcher, still have difficulty not using the APCO phonetics sometimes (quit in 2004). However they come in handy when someone has difficulty copying me.
Adam
Boy/Baker
Charlie
David
Edward
Frank
George
Henry
Ida
John
King
Lincoln
Mary
Nora
Ocean
Paul
Queen
Robert
Sam
Tom
Union
Victor
William
X-Ray
Young
Zebra
I understand. Some of the phonetics used on DX contacts are there because of the way that they sound and the familiarity that a person in another country might have. For example, Whiskey is easier to hear in the noise when compared to William. None of the phonetics are perfect. My phony phonetics are in process and meant to be funny; a joke. But many, many wrote to me with the fill in letters using standard type phonetics. Somehow I did not explain it good enough. Thanks, Jim W6LG
@@ham-radio lol, I did get the joke after adding my comment, love all the silent first letters! Talk about something that would completely screw me up at first!
Thanks for all of your great content, long time fan and praying for your health.
73 de N0SR
For a phonetic for "Z", I like "zero". It's confounding because "zero" usually means "0" (the digit). It's a twist on the rest of your list, all of which have initial sounds different than their first letters.
as a kid in ""communist"" country, I learned not only from my dad it is just zulu, period;
Circus would work well for "C" Psychotic works for "P" Nebulous for "N" Hang in there, 73, Mike, N2JUN
Piss em off enough 😮, they will come with the sheriff and take all your equipment.
Too many people directing pile ups forget this. Especially some of the younger Hams doing POTA. They forget to give their callsign at the end of the contact, which is not only a technical violation of the regulations and rules, but very poor practice. They will go for five minutes at a time, working dozens of stations, and never give their call sign once, assuming everyone in the pile up has been there since he called CQ two hours ago.
Even worse are the kids who will give out their POTA park number at least a dozen times in a row, and their own call sign about once every half hour. Not to mention, when they do give their call sign, they seem to think it is a race to say it as quickly as possible, to get it out of the way.
Sloppy operating, against the rules, and not good practice for those who are just tuning in. If anything, it seems as if the bad practice is spreading and being a bad influence on others. Quite frustrating.
Then when anybody reminds them to give their call sign, a lot of these bad actors just get mad. Incensed that someone would reprimand them and remind them to follow the rules and proper etiquette.
IN any case, hope to hear you on 20 meters again some time, hope your health improves.
„QRZ“ is a very popular „Callsign“ these days🤪
You mean like, "QRZ the frequency?!" 73, Jim
Exactly. It's as if everyone should know who is on the other end as a matter of course. So "QRZ" is a kind of callsign replacement for convenience nowadays. Using the winker has suffered a similar fate ;-) Only, there's not even a substitute for that anymore :-(
That's why we should be using a standardized phonetic alphabet such as the NATO one, although not sure how some hams from non-NATO countries feel about that. My preference is to always use a standardized phonetic alphabet to make it easy for hams who do not have English as their main language and for cases when signals are weak.
whole tragedy of this new scientology nazi world is that ppl often aren't even able to decipher a pure joke; cheers;
Hi Jim and thanks for posting this video about callsign identification. I firmly feel "contest" has really showed how bad ham radio operating procedures have gone., let alone the 5/9 signal report(s), pileups, excessive output power etc.. And do I dare say the ARRL is the spearhead behind these contests, but not addressing the mention problems associated when this occurs? What ever happen with just talking with someone, talking about other hobbies, family etc.
Do you mean "rag chewing" ? I definitely feel the same way! But it is true I know some hams that use a completely automated digital set up that " makes contacts while THEY sleep" to me that isnt HAM RADIO. RAG CHEWING IS!
@@the1spyderryder I sure do mean "rag chewing" or AKA RCC, I got plenty of those "awards" back in the day, and mostly on cw !! I just miss talking about as mentioned other hobbies, family etc etc versus "you are 5/9, 73".
Actually had a qso with 7P8AB during our recent field day!!!
ZS regulations regarding callsigns are very similar.
Xylophono seems to be a common phonetic among Spanish speaking stations, works well, it has rhythm and you aren't going to confuse it with anything else. 73 M0 Terrible Transmission Quality
And you DO NOT NEED TO SAY "for identification purposes" following your call sign, that came over from THE CB boys and girls!
My Pet peeve phonetic is kilowatt for K. I think KW all the time - two letters.
I agree with you. Just for kicks and giggles, if someone uses that in his call, I’ll come back with KW rather than just K and see what responses I get. This should be fun…
I’m fine with Kilowatt, as it is one word, it’s not “kilo watt.” I know that “Watt” is not the phonetic for “w.” And I know that the guy did not decide to tell me how much power he is running in the middle of passing his callsign. Sometimes conditions merit alternate phonetics, so if the other guy is having problem pulling “kilo” out of the air, “kilowatt” works. :-)
Thank you Jim. 73.
So the few times I have done POTA, or something like it, after I basically finish my transmission, but before I unkey, I always say "K6WI, QRZed" which should comply with part 97. I hear most POTA guys doing the same thing.
Why not just give your call to sign? Qrz, Qsl and the rest are actually short cuts for CW OPERATORS. TO USE..... JUST LOOK IT UP.
You can actually operate a POTA WITH OUT EVER KEYING YOUR MIKE OR UDDERING A SINGLE WORD. GET A 10 SECOND RECORDING BOARD FROM AMAZON AND HOOK IT UP TO YOUR MIC LEAD. KNOCK YOUR SELF OUT... LOL FOR THE AUTOMATED GANG. OR ON FIELD DAY YOUR CAN DO THE SAME.....I HAVE AN ICOM 7100 AND IT WILL DO IT USING THE 32GB SD CARD AND WILL RECORD ALL THE CONTACTS THAT YOU MAKE AS WELL. YOU CAN CHECK YOUR CONTACTS LOG BOOK .
I think “Z=Zero” should fit nicely, it should really clarify things when it comes time to give the region!
C=Czar (can’t believe you misses that one!)
F=WT? (Ok, a little bit of fun there!)
But even “F=Foe” would make life very difficult in poor HF conditions
O=Opa should work well when you figure in the inevitable pop on the P (“oh-pah”, spoken quickly)
I will use C as in Czar (zarr). Many missed the point completely. 73, Jim
@@ham-radio if you use Czar for c then you have to use Tzar for t. That way we won't be confused.
@@oldgringo66 I like it. Brilliant. 73, Jim
'F' - Phillip , 'N' - Pneumonia , 'R' - Wrestle
I often hear phonetics they made up, it is difficult to tell what letter it represent. AG6JU
O Opossum. 73's Jerry WA4WMO or as one says here in Tennessee W We, A Are, 4 for, W Wanting, M More, O possum actually spelled with an O Opossum. Lol. Using the word Opossum always gets everyone confused since sounds like starts with the letter P. Enjoyed the video, de Wiskey Alpha 4 Wiskey Mike Oscar.
I like your Phonetic Alphabet. Would be great to print up an put on the wall as a radio operator joke.
Yes. Some did not understand the joke. I did get several suggestions. I will add those and create maybe a PDF. Thanks 73 Jim
@@ham-radio Thank YOU, sir.
Here you go Jim:
C - czar
T - tzar
It doesn't read at the end of a contact, it reads at the end of the communication. So what is a communication ? Unless it is defined elsewhere it is right before you let off the PPT button each and every time.
I appreciate what you do as an Elmer - thank you! Here's some filler for your phonetic list:
C Cydonia
F Feud
N Nefarious
O Ossify
R Rue
Z Zip
A local ham told me years ago that back in the 50's to I guess the 80's you had to id every station you were talking to everytime you keyed up. Seemed kinds stupid to me...I got licensed in 88...I never did that back then or to this day.
M: mercury, magnetic, mountain, Mars, mustard.
Edit: I misunderstood the assignment 🤷🏼♂️
I identify may station when I want too
You're right that 97.119(a) is poorly worded. Does the FCC define what "a communication" is? It could be interpreted as each transmission, v/s each qso as currently practiced.
Not really because it says every 10 minutes during the communication, and at the end of the communication. I wouldn't imagine that operators would be transmitting for such a long period that they would need to ID every 10 minutes in a single transmission.
🔘 thank you
ke7kek
los angeles
I really don’t know, why there has to be rules for a procedure that should be go without saying? A Callsign is designed to know with whom i’m talking (or even listening) and where he/she (😉) is from. That’s exactly the information that i‘m letting all others know, and expecting the same from every licensed Operators, at least in a acceptable time (10min.). Is it too much to ask? Very often obviously yes, unfortunately🤨
Keep it simple . Just words that will be recognised by most people all over the world = Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliett, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu. * 73
C Car
R Risky (since it sounds like Whiskey)
O Over
Z Xanadu
OVER is nice one
I have O o'clock
The bigger question here is what is the “end a communication”? If I’m talking for 2 minutes back and forth in a rag chew, is before every time I unkey a “communication”? Or only before I sign off? I know some countries required to id before the end of every transmission. Like you said Jim, it’s vague for a reason
Hi AH,
I take it to mean the end of the QSO. I am pretty certain of that because of some research I did with a former FCC executive. You asked a very good question. 73, Jim
Can anyone in this group tell me the last time they heard that the FCC knocked on anyones door for not following this rule, get serious
Thanks Jimmy
I see these FCC rules are for amateur ham operators. In broadcast we had TV segments lasting longer than 15min
C - celery, city, centipede
O - oodles, ouzo, ounce
Over
That's quite a phonetic alphabet 🙂
That’s the Common Core index. Lol
I'm recently licensed and having difficulty with NATO Phonetics because of my former law enforcement background, which uses a different Phonetic alphabet. It's second nature (no need to think) , for me to use Adam, Boy, Charles, David, Edward, Frank... instead of Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot (and I had to use s cheat sheet to write that). But I guess with more air time and practice, I'll eventually unlearn the COP speak and transition over.
So far, I've only been "corrected" once on the air when I used "Union" by mental reflex instead of "Uniform".
Alternate phonetics are still heard quite a bit on HF, so your use generally will not be corrected unless it was causing confusion for the other end (much more common with foreign amateurs, though there is always that one smartass on the air wanting to correct everyone…oftentimes another new-ish amateur as most of us who have been on the air awhile have heard most all of them before many, many, times!). The real goal of sticking to the NATO phonetics is that they are generally recognized by all amateurs the world over and were designed so that all the various languages spoken within NATO could actually pronounce a sufficiently acceptable rendition of each of the words using the phonemes of their native language. Not every amateur is a native English speaker, so learning to listen for 26 well known phonetic words helps them immensely since they know very well which letters each NATO phonetic corresponds to but they may not know that “Ozarks” begins with an “O”. Obviously NATO isn’t every nation in the world but it does help that it was designed with so many different languages in mind as it meant they stuck to using the more common phonemes shared by a large set of languages. Where it can really penalize you the most, however, is when trying to make DX contacts or in contesting as then the unexpected phonetic can throw the other party off for a moment increasing the odds that they may pass you over for a more quickly relatable call with the phonetics they were expecting (especially in more marginal conditions). However, with all rules there is that exception, if the other party is clearly having issues understanding a specific phonetic in your call letters then after a couple failed tries it is absolutely acceptable to try some alternate phonetics (like “Germany” for “G”, etc.) to see if that gets through better than the NATO phonetic was.
But you will absolutely become more fluent as time goes on. Even those of us who know the phonetics by heart now often still keep a card posted near our station with all the NATO phonetics for reference during those inevitable brain farts…especially if it has been awhile since we were on HF…because sometimes your brain just spontaneously comes up blank for no apparent reason even though you know them inside and out!
I was a deputy for 12 years. We used the NATO list. Never cared for for the names list as I called it.
The ones that get me on ham radio are the guys that go Alpha Tango India and the next breathe he says America Tokyo Italy. Pick one and stay with it I always think to myself.
Ah...the Dragnet alphabet...lol. I work as a 911 dispatcher and I use the NATO/ITU/UN/IARU phonetics. I always have one newbie that uses the APCO alphabet they teach at the academy. I usually get them straight in a week or two. My problem with the APCO/Dragnet phonetics is that 19 of the 26 letters are names. This can cause confusion when they run names as they say the name, then spell it. 73 W1ECM
Those at APCO have been told hundreds of times over the past 50 years I have told them at 10 or 20 times my self to use the ITU alphabet my call is Alpha Charlie zero Yankey...
Perfect way to weaken citizens survival capabilities should collapse occur. I suspected this may happen. License renewal now a nightmare as well.
What else??
WA3URR 1974
Good info, thanks.
I thank you.
here's a question if I may. on a vertical dipole is the center lead connection supposed to be on the upper pole or lower pole facing the ground
ran into Xylophone a few times working Europeans......not helpful............ would also be nice if people said "over", "go ahead" or something to signify they were done transmitting although not a requirement apparently...... on the other hand giving two full sets of calls every time the "mic" changes hands isn't great (or required) either....... love your two L4-Bs in the background, I have one awaiting re-birth here......73 Mike, K1FNX near Boston
Not much for quick contacts, and I wish people would stick to the official phonetics. Having said that...
C Car
F Fess
N Nine
O Over
R Ray
Z Zero
It is interesting that they chose the word “communication” and not ‘transmission.’
Knife would be bad for K.
Or “KNOW” for “K”…while also using “NO” for “N”, obviously. And, naturally it follows that “T” should be “TOO” just as “Z” should be “ZERO”…then the phonetics for the numerals “0” would be “NAUGHT” and “2” could be “TWO” (or “THRICE” if you wish to be cruel). Which reminds me, “F” should then be “FORE”.
Ya, I really puzzled over that one so I called a guy who used to work at the FCC. 73, Jim
😂Yeah, hopefully someone buys you a cup o' jo, because you need to wake up.
Yes, terminal cancer saps my strength. Thanks for reminding me. W6LG
O - possum opossum
P - pterodactyl
Phonetic for O -- can I suggest onion or ouija?
WeeGee sounds good to me. So W6OO would be Write Six Ouija Ouija....right six weegee weegett...QSL? 73, Jim
Z as in Zero
M as in Mancy
N as in Nancy
O as in OK
C as in ****
F as in ****
Hmm, I did the same thing a while ago
A as in aisle
B as in bdellium
C as in cnidaria
D as in 500
E as in eye
F
G as in gnome
H as in heir
I as in 1
J as in jose
K as in knee
L as in 50
M as in mnemonic
N
O
P as in pneumatic
Q as in qi
R
S as in see
T as in tsunami
U as in urn
V as in 5
W as in wrinkle
X as in 10
Y as in you
Z as in zand
Fcc who's that? I lived in a camp. And the ham is all ways the crook.. that stole the last 30 seconds that game... that had a big money on it.. And I'll have your licence if not your hiney. The sheriff rolls in to find my log book and my xmiters covered in dust and he goes. Then camp justice system took care of my transmitter antenna. By snipping every 12" cable section. And piled it up in a barrel. Now I m gone with nobody to blame. Never knew a pixie was that powerfully. Out put at 250 mills hi hi have pixie for barking now and again 73 keeps my hand loose .
II realize that there is no standard for phonetic letters but perhaps there should be. Why not use the NATO callsigns since they are in common us in every major Western country. Even countries not in NATO do exercises with NATO aligned countries unless they are out on the skids like Iran, North Korea ect. Every time I hear Mexico or Japan used phonetically and a signal is intermittent I think initially I am hearing someone say those countries names as a QTH. Yeah, I know, just because it makes sense to me does not mean that it does to others plus there does not seem to be any way to enforce this even as a generally accepted practice unless the ITC perhaps takes this up. thinking about it a Japanese person would have a difficult time correctly pronouncing Juliet but I'll cross that bridge if any person from Japan communicates on phone. Sometimes standardization would be nice, that's all.
That list is confusing. What is wrong with Alpha, Bravo, Charlie Delta, .........Jalapeno or Halapeno? Hmm H or J, For someone that may have a spelling issue, this is a nightmare.
Did you, perhaps, totally miss that it was a tongue-in-cheek suggested “worst practice” phonetic alphabet? Jim isn’t recommending people actually use it!
@@ethanpoole3443 LOL, I guess I did.
It was a gag, a joke, not real, just fun to emphasize the use of proper phonetics. 73, Jim
😂 Made me laugh...I don't have any suggestions for your list. 73 N8JVC
Thanks. Some wrote because they believed in the product that I presented. Glad you had a laugh with me. 73, Jim
Use a morse code call sign generator and use it for your call.sign. problem solved.
That's a weird phonetic alphabet. Is that a common ham radio thing, do you guys have your own alphabet? I wouldn't want to use words that don't start with the sound of the letter they represent, like 'mnemonic' or 'bdellium', and what's up with "double-u"? That's horribly confusing.
Ok apparently I didn't get the joke, never mind.
No, it was meant as a joke. Also to teach something to those who use weird, off the wall, phonetics with their callsign. I hear it when so often when the person they are talking to on the other side of the planet barely understands a few words of English. And, the guy over here says, Whisky Six Here Comes Texas. Thanks, Jim
These periodic alphabets that everybody is talking about here how many are there I know of 10 right this minute because my company I work for has one of its own I'm a CB operator back when they were popular they have a set the police and fire both have their own set the highway patrol has their own set and the federal government's got their own set and the FCC has their own set that we are supposed to be using so who's do we use that's the question which one is the proper one that we are supposed to have and what everybody supposed to use across the board does anybody have an answer for that
Z = Zero ...lol like the number
I added all four, fore, for to my list. Thanks, Jim
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Use the correct phonetic alphabet not substitute words!
I advise using Ko-Fi for the 'Buy me a Coffee' thing. It's the best of all of them. (I suppose you already know this). Btw, I think using 'Phonetic' for P might be confusing for foreigners listening as the Ph sound like an F. Just my 2 cents, probably irrelevant LOL :p
Ko-Fi goes through PayPal, just fyi. So take that into consideration with regards to transaction fees and such. Some people don't want to give direct access to their bank account, that's 5% off the top.
@@DFPercush Good point.
Why change the phonetic alphabet? Just you the norm.
O...oedipal or oedipus.
G…gnat! Lol!
Especially in a list that is already using “nyet” for “n”!
N= november
Just inject a low CW loop recording in your mic audio.... nobody needs to hear it outside the parties.
I get more hell from QRZ autolookupers. My call is not in their "for profit" database, and is legit.
For profit? What are you talking about? How do you keep your call sign off QRZ? IT IS INCLUDED IN EVERY DATA DUMP FROM THE FCC EVERY DAY. and they ask for contributions every so often. For your info keeping up a good web site is expensive so loosen that tight wallet and throw them ten bucks every so often if you use the site at all... that comment makes you sound like a tight wad. If you are a ham I know you are spending bucks on your gear.
C = Chaos
Wow, that's two!!! Very good Jason. 73, Jim
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P= Pneumonia
Got it. Thanks. 73, Jim
F = For