NOTES I've updated the description to include a 5% discount code for Amazon shoppers. Also Geekom tell me there's a sale event coming up on May 22nd in celebration of their 21st anniversary, so if you're looking at buying the XT 12 Pro, or any of their other mini PCs, it should be worth a look. ERRATA 10:11 The line should have been: “The free version of Resolve uses the GPU for rendering the H265 codec, and the CPU for the less efficient, but easier to play, H264”
The thing is unless Intel make a wonder CPU/APU you are always better going Ryzen with a mini PC. The only other example is when going low power. Intel is king with the N100. If you don't want a Raspberry Pi. Good wee video though as always.
Intel cpus are pretty good at video transcoding. If you're planning to build media server and don't wanna spend money on gpu, Intel apu is your best bet.
@@gorjy9610 cpu performance is better on the intel 12900hk, and you get it at cheaper prices. server usage is king on mini pc's and i have 2 12900hk's for my usage
Awesome video as always, even if the subject was unsurprisingly lackluster. Really enjoy your pacing, speech clarity, and dropping the music for talking without making the video choppy or distracting. If you ever wanted a side gig, you could be an awesome editor for other content creators.
Love the vid! Is it possible to add helldivers 2 to your testing suite? I think it would be interesting to see how a "sort of" indie title would hold up. (Especially interesting for me because i have an inking suspicion that running on amd hardware makes the game crash, I run a 6700xt with it). Once again thank you for reading my wall of text and keep up the amazing work!
It's already on the test suite for my graphics card reviews, but I'll certainly consider adding it for some of the more gaming-focused mini PCs. This little fella wouldn't have a hope, unfortunately!
I would have recommended using ThrottleStop as opposed to XTU. Gives you more options to fiddle with. Quite frankly I've had a lot of success with it undervolting a CPU that XTU otherwise wouldn't do anything with. Turns out, although the cores wouldn't undervolt, the cache would! And that made a massive difference!
My experience with Throttlestop lately has been that it's something of a "Greyed-out Option Simulator 2024", but maybe it's worth giving it another shot?
@@IcebergTechYes definitely. Tried XTU and Throttlestop on my 13900HX, XTU imo is a heavier software, bloated almost whereas TS I've definitely gotten better success and more extreme stable undervolting with it on the cache, P And E cores.
I wish Mini PC makers choosing to alter the original NUC form factor, went the bigger direction than the smaller. People complain about the temperatures and/or throttling, not of how big these machines are. You have no idea how hard I found it to not swear in that sentence.
i don't really understand the obsession with cramming an i9 in a minu pc of all things. If u really want to do it then just make somr practical adjustments like adding fans with more blades , thicker and bigger heat skin and slightly bigger case , thermal pads and heatsinks for ram & ssd. Ye at this point just build a SFF ITX case 😂
If it's a mobile Intel CPU, there's an Erying motherboard with it. And yes, there's a Mini ITX motherboard with it from them. And a Micro ATX one with the 12900HK.
I see no point in mini pc's with an i9 or a ryzen 9. They dont have the single laptop advantage, mobility, but have all of its drawbacks. They are too hot, throttling for any actual heavy multi core work like rendering, too powerful and needlessly power hungry for work where just short bursts are required like photoshop, and absolutely overkill for office. People who just wanna browse the web and do office are perfectly fine with a mobile Pentium or i3. For those who do photo editing and photography on top of office, a mobile i5 is more than enough, while anyone who is doing cpu intensive tasks like rendering, science and occasional gaming just gets a real full workstation with a cpu like the i9 14000K.
I'll never understand why they put thermally restricted parts that will never reach their peak potential into laptops and mini-pc's. Just put a more efficient i5 or something. At least those will always reach their potential.
Iris Xe Graphics on something that is £600... What were they even thinking? You can buy a laptop that has more power with a screen, battery, mousepad, and keyboard included for less money.
@ARCx9You can with ac loadline, I did it on my laptop with 12450h. Throttlestop and all other options of undervolting are locked, except the ac loadline method. I ran a modded bios with an usb stick to unlock that in advanced bios.
Y'know, sometimes I stick dumb jokes in just to amuse myself, and I can usually guarantee that the only people who notice will be people who are really annoyed by them...
DDR4 is disappointing for this price in these foreign dollars. When specifying specs, please complete the 3.2 spec as Gen 2 may be more appealing, especially as 10Gb/s can support some decent speeds when using external M.2 drives to expand the storage capabilities. 1% of gameplay really is a very tiny percentage, which I would argue is far from intolerable n comparison with the other 99.
I'm wondering that myself at the moment. Maybe, I'm not sure about this, it's better for productivity (not games obv.) The single core speed of this chip is pretty good, which makes a difference to programs I use.
dark arisen isn't a remaster/remake It's just the 'game of the year' version essentially. The pc release is just the dark arisen version with all the original full assets, nothing 'remastered' really.
NOTES
I've updated the description to include a 5% discount code for Amazon shoppers. Also Geekom tell me there's a sale event coming up on May 22nd in celebration of their 21st anniversary, so if you're looking at buying the XT 12 Pro, or any of their other mini PCs, it should be worth a look.
ERRATA
10:11 The line should have been: “The free version of Resolve uses the GPU for rendering the H265 codec, and the CPU for the less efficient, but easier to play, H264”
But isnt that what you said in the video?
@@opr_railgun nah, I messed up and said H265 twice.
@@IcebergTech oh yeah youre right, i guess my brain autocorrected it when i first watched.
this mans channel is so good they named lettuce after it
Iceberg lettuce lmao😂
@@catosx2738 i would watch that channel too
The thing is unless Intel make a wonder CPU/APU you are always better going Ryzen with a mini PC. The only other example is when going low power. Intel is king with the N100. If you don't want a Raspberry Pi. Good wee video though as always.
for non gaming use its straight up better than amd mini pc
@@enkeiie because of?
@@gorjy9610 because he said so.
Intel cpus are pretty good at video transcoding. If you're planning to build media server and don't wanna spend money on gpu, Intel apu is your best bet.
@@gorjy9610 cpu performance is better on the intel 12900hk, and you get it at cheaper prices. server usage is king on mini pc's and i have 2 12900hk's for my usage
*The title kinda reminds me of something??*
Iceberg Prime
My pp
😂😂😂
Bruh
Yeah, please don't go the ETA route...
I don't see the resemblance.
Awesome video as always, even if the subject was unsurprisingly lackluster.
Really enjoy your pacing, speech clarity, and dropping the music for talking without making the video choppy or distracting.
If you ever wanted a side gig, you could be an awesome editor for other content creators.
Thanks 😁
Cramming an i9 class chip in such a small package seems kinda pointless when it'll throttle back to the performance of an i7 or i5 under load anyways.
the thought i could buy an entire pc instead of just a gpu is kind of eye opening
you were popping off in CS2!
Lol, the power of editing!
Love the vid! Is it possible to add helldivers 2 to your testing suite? I think it would be interesting to see how a "sort of" indie title would hold up. (Especially interesting for me because i have an inking suspicion that running on amd hardware makes the game crash, I run a 6700xt with it). Once again thank you for reading my wall of text and keep up the amazing work!
It's already on the test suite for my graphics card reviews, but I'll certainly consider adding it for some of the more gaming-focused mini PCs. This little fella wouldn't have a hope, unfortunately!
I would have recommended using ThrottleStop as opposed to XTU. Gives you more options to fiddle with. Quite frankly I've had a lot of success with it undervolting a CPU that XTU otherwise wouldn't do anything with. Turns out, although the cores wouldn't undervolt, the cache would! And that made a massive difference!
My experience with Throttlestop lately has been that it's something of a "Greyed-out Option Simulator 2024", but maybe it's worth giving it another shot?
@@IcebergTechYes definitely.
Tried XTU and Throttlestop on my 13900HX, XTU imo is a heavier software, bloated almost whereas TS I've definitely gotten better success and more extreme stable undervolting with it on the cache, P And E cores.
I wish Mini PC makers choosing to alter the original NUC form factor, went the bigger direction than the smaller. People complain about the temperatures and/or throttling, not of how big these machines are.
You have no idea how hard I found it to not swear in that sentence.
Same. An extra inch of height for better cooling would do wonders.
give 2-3 cm and top exhaust *chefs kiss*
i don't really understand the obsession with cramming an i9 in a minu pc of all things. If u really want to do it then just make somr practical adjustments like adding fans with more blades , thicker and bigger heat skin and slightly bigger case , thermal pads and heatsinks for ram & ssd. Ye at this point just build a SFF ITX case 😂
those are ususally sold to corpos not normal users.
If it's a mobile Intel CPU, there's an Erying motherboard with it. And yes, there's a Mini ITX motherboard with it from them. And a Micro ATX one with the 12900HK.
This CPU is better than mine. Granted, my computer costed less before taxes and has a _much_ better GPU, but this is still very impressive.
i crave the 12100f
The mini PC is really cool and impressive… it just seems too expensive for what it offers.
When you mentioned it had the old Iris Xe iGPU, I knew it would game like trash. At least it is good for office work and programming.
2:33 both chips are listed with 14 E-cores? You just listed the two chips before with a 6P + 8E core design
Do geekom skips or drop plan for 14th gen Intel powered mini pc
It 14
Core ultra processor mini pc .
I see no point in mini pc's with an i9 or a ryzen 9. They dont have the single laptop advantage, mobility, but have all of its drawbacks. They are too hot, throttling for any actual heavy multi core work like rendering, too powerful and needlessly power hungry for work where just short bursts are required like photoshop, and absolutely overkill for office.
People who just wanna browse the web and do office are perfectly fine with a mobile Pentium or i3. For those who do photo editing and photography on top of office, a mobile i5 is more than enough, while anyone who is doing cpu intensive tasks like rendering, science and occasional gaming just gets a real full workstation with a cpu like the i9 14000K.
and the i9 will reach 1000 degrees even if it is using the most best air / water cooler.
Maybe even 9000?
its a laptop cpu, it wont be that bad, just laptop bad
@@betag24cn Ryzen says otherwise.
@@woldemunster9244 you didnt got the joke, it will be as bad as a bad intel laptop
I'll never understand why they put thermally restricted parts that will never reach their peak potential into laptops and mini-pc's. Just put a more efficient i5 or something. At least those will always reach their potential.
Iris Xe Graphics on something that is £600... What were they even thinking? You can buy a laptop that has more power with a screen, battery, mousepad, and keyboard included for less money.
An i9 in an mini pc what are you trying to make an mini heater
did you undervolt as well? its just that you can sometimes undervolt a bit and lower power draw to help with temps
@ARCx9You can with ac loadline, I did it on my laptop with 12450h. Throttlestop and all other options of undervolting are locked, except the ac loadline method. I ran a modded bios with an usb stick to unlock that in advanced bios.
@ARCx9 i did not know this as havent used intel for a long time :)
Intel hates its customers so they locked ANY voltage control
So even a user can't fix its terrible CPUs
you can upgrade the ram to ddr 5 to boost iGPU
How? Board support only DDR4, fact that CPU support both doesn't mean a thing when mbo is DDR4 only.
but the GPU isn't bandwidth starved
it's just this slow
@@gorjy9610 uefi upgrade the ram support is in the cpu not in the board
@@GewelReal nope y have the same igpu in a i5 11th generation with 64gb ram an it counts
Not wishing to be pedantic but Neil Young's name is Young, it would be a bit silly to change it to Old or Ancient.
Y'know, sometimes I stick dumb jokes in just to amuse myself, and I can usually guarantee that the only people who notice will be people who are really annoyed by them...
@@IcebergTech I not really annoyed, more like apoplectic.
lol @ including neil young. not sure if that was intentional or not, but it's funny either way.
yo that intro is sus in a creamy way
rx 480 e3 1270 v3 h81 16gb ram ssd 120gb 1tb hdd 650w 80+ wight for 190 dollar is it good
I’d rather have the Core Ultra 9 so I can use the Arc iGPU
wtf is this new ui in yt?
IKR??
Is that really battlefield 5, seems like an online fps game that I would play in school computer that to have stutters.
DDR4 is disappointing for this price in these foreign dollars.
When specifying specs, please complete the 3.2 spec as Gen 2 may be more appealing, especially as 10Gb/s can support some decent speeds when using external M.2 drives to expand the storage capabilities.
1% of gameplay really is a very tiny percentage, which I would argue is far from intolerable n comparison with the other 99.
Surprised no one has made Mini PC Water AIO's?
Somehow misheard as "8 deficiency cores". I really need some more rest.
I mean, if the name fits...
10:11 - 10:20 🙃 kinda confusing 😉
lol yes, I see what you mean. That second “H265” should have been H264
I always been curious about these brands. Why they do go with an intel? If there is no dgpu, why would not you just go with an amd chip?
Never underestimate selling power of i9 branding.
I'm wondering that myself at the moment. Maybe, I'm not sure about this, it's better for productivity (not games obv.) The single core speed of this chip is pretty good, which makes a difference to programs I use.
Iceberg is now a mini pc channel instead of an old gen GPU channel.
👍
They need to stop trying putting watt ogres into tiny boxes...it's so silly.
The cpu is like a fuckin 13500t or something
It's bad for the price, next
e3 1270 v3 in 2024
Thats what she didnt say 😭
Another pointless gimmick from Intel 😔
80 views in 5 mins? 😒😔
Sellout😩
0 views in 39 seconds? Iceberg fell off
2 likes 1 comment? let me ruin that
Ah yes, the new and modern "first" comment seen everywhere. Creativity really is rare nowadays I see...
@DUMBO69 💀💀
@@Axatron it is, i am not funny.
highest cawk speeds 👍
a inteo minipc, no thanks
dark arisen isn't a remaster/remake
It's just the 'game of the year' version essentially. The pc release is just the dark arisen version with all the original full assets, nothing 'remastered' really.