Randomization is something I never understood why more companies don't implement. I had a VST years ago called Gladiator that could generate random patches and I could spend hours messing with that randomize button. Its a good way to drop you off into territory you would never venture to yourself and you get some really interesting things.
My TR has been sitting on the sidelines for a while as I've been learning new gear. I came back to it this week, and to my delight we have me FM synths and probability amongst other things. I forgot how much I enjoyed it and now it's even better.
Roland, you have female vocal samples in this machine saying "Ooh Baby" (unusable) but you still don't put in your own famous CR78 drum machine. (Heart of Glass, in the Air Tonight, Enola Gay, I Can't Go for That, Man on the Corner, etc etc...). People have been clamoring for CR78 in this machine for many years, but you ignore it in this "Important" update?
Roland has a bad habit of making weird menu dives. The original out of the box had very little of it. Seemed cured. But with unlisted button combos.. I like the other stuff but I definitely will not remember those combos.
Anyone noticing any bugs since the upgrade? I keep getting disappearing tracks, tracks suddenly go silent and need to be re set. I dunno I'm always near comatose when I use mine at night so it could be me😂 update Is fire though, the shaping you can do with the new FM models is crazy, new FX are really good too. Great video cheers.
It’s because the videos are longer and more detailed. They’re auto placed by UA-cam and I even strip some out. There’s no more than others. Less per minute viewing. Under 30 secs per hour.. but hey ho… it’s all free. I earn less than 50% minimum wage on these so if you can’t even support that well…. Goodbye.
Thanks Starsky, I’ve been using the TR-8S on and off for a year or so but this update takes it to the next level. Although there are some melodic presets, I love using this exactly as it was meant to be - a centrepiece for drums. A “drum machine” if you will. Hadn’t really taken a close look at the editor until you showed it in this vid, a game changer! Thanks dude 👍👍👍😃😃
Yeah its great. The 8s is an excellent live tool - but that doesn't mean you have to restrict yourself to the menu system when setting up your playlist or creating your kits! It just makes accessing everything so much easier
Thanks Starsky for another great vid. This is utterly brilliant! At the risk of sounding greedy... V2.5 really makes it sound like they might do a V3.0 right? The next thing on my wish list now for TR8s is the ability to plug in a keyboard and play melodic lines in using keys. Yes - you can tune the sounds manually to different pitches but despite giving it a decent go - I'm too slow for improvising live. If you could quickly record these brilliant FM bass and lead sounds into the pattern using an external midi keyboard - for example a little boutique keyboard. Someone said that it records cc changes to do the pitching but it is not beyond the skill of the roland nerds to come code. You can do that on the Twisted Electrons Blastbeats. Also on the list for V3.0 would be microtimings + randomisation or cycling between fills please (eg - press manual trigger of fill and it plays a different one each time. Credit to Roland for not abandoning this beast.
Wait, you can't already do what you described (plugging in an external MIDI keyboard and using it to sequence melodies)? That seems like a massive oversight to me, especially considering how many features it already has. Hmmm.
i think it's bizzare that Roland give their new smaller miniature line generic USB drivers, but i STILL can't connect my TR8s to my iPad, WTF? I do like the new FM tones and probability %
I just bought this a week ago, and already an update, woohoo! I'm usually not a fan of Roland's "ACB" stuff, but I must admit that they pretty much nailed it this time. Close enough for my needs anyway. Thanks for sharing.
The TR sounds are fantastic.. and you've much more control than samples. Imagine a world before these... :) £3k for a 909 £4k for an 808 The TR-8 was a revelation.
@@StarskyCarr Yeah. Truth is, the RD-8 and RD-9 from Behringer sound even closer to a real 808 and 909, but the reality is that in a mix no one can tell which is which. And the TR8S takes up much less space than two of these side-by-side and also has a lot more control.
@@AlainHubert the only behringer that sounds closer to the original is the vc340 versus the VP-O3. vp-03 sounds a bit off. other than that, the ACB products are all perfect to my ears.
@@djangofett4879 A lot of other ACB products from Roland sound "a bit off" as you say, compared to the originals. But some of them are good enough for some people. Besides, not everyone can afford the real deal anyway.
One day Roland will update the TR8s so much I'll have to pop the question - will it marry me? **dreamy sigh** (wakes up looking at the QuasiMidi Raveolution and the divorce papers from 1996)
@@StarskyCarr You still gave us a good look and listen at the new update. So nice job. I was on the verge of buying a TR-8S when I 1st posted, I wanted to see EVERYTHING! But I've since bought one. Now I'm able to watch your video again and just enjoy it :)
I hope this has the randomization part in it (jk) The fw makes me want to buy one, but I already have 2 capable samplers and enough sequencers. GAS does not equal better, I will do with what I have but can see the newer update and absolute blessing for some. FM sounds excellent. probability and sub is my fav. I did ask on last vid, can you do prob on FX per step?
loving the tr-8s so far but really hope i didnt have to switch audio driver to tr8s to record invidiual tracks out into daw, gotta keep switcihing settings in utility also. bummer.
After nearly 20 years of no new hardware, I bought an Elecktron Digitakt and Digitone in 2020. They are lovely... but generally never grabbed me as "dedicated" drum machine material (and I've owned/loved many by Roland in the past). This video could be the push I need to buy this baby... It looks and sounds intuitive, PLAYABLE, and FUN! Thank you, kindly. 😁
Thx nice .. Waiting for a Proper tutorial for this though.. Question : is the new fm sounds put together as a kit or should you find them one by one .. ??
@@cristobalgomez5434 Yes, Thats possible I use the external in for my Bass station II and Td-3 and I often send reverb or delay to both devices even the master FX affect the external in's. If you push [Shift] + Kit you get to the EXT IN setting.
I can't see the value at all in this unit. These sounds are commonly found in DAWS and plugins and the sound quality itself isn't any better. That's a lot of cash for a toy to play with.
I can´t believe it it yet has the same screen as in my Boss- SE 50 and 70, what a toy this Aira but sounds as a toy. If you want a real sampler, get the last one Roland did, S-770 that is a serious machine!
S770 nice kit but tr8s wouldn't really be my go to sampler. It's better as a drum machine. Eq and comp really bring it out. Roland have produced many toys since 1990 but I'd say this is their best drum machine in modern times.
Randomization is something I never understood why more companies don't implement. I had a VST years ago called Gladiator that could generate random patches and I could spend hours messing with that randomize button. Its a good way to drop you off into territory you would never venture to yourself and you get some really interesting things.
Yes, probability! And I love that I see the Starsky vid review before I even get the email from Roland… oh and that FM beat was SICK
My TR has been sitting on the sidelines for a while as I've been learning new gear. I came back to it this week, and to my delight we have me FM synths and probability amongst other things. I forgot how much I enjoyed it and now it's even better.
Thanks so much mate!!!! So great to actually see all the button presses (new TR-8S owner here). Subscribed!
Ooh, I’m glad you posted this, I would have missed the update otherwise.
Looking at you Analog Rytm. I love the fact that Roland Is still delivering fw updates
Roland, you have female vocal samples in this machine saying "Ooh Baby" (unusable) but you still don't put in your own famous CR78 drum machine. (Heart of Glass, in the Air Tonight, Enola Gay, I Can't Go for That, Man on the Corner, etc etc...). People have been clamoring for CR78 in this machine for many years, but you ignore it in this "Important" update?
The ooh baby is so useful 😅😅
@@ZETONEproductions 🤣
@@ZETONEproductions salt and pepper is here ooh baby baby
Agreed give us the CR78. i have a special love for that
Ooooh baby-baby😅
Nice. Got just a bit of lxr-02 flavor in a couple of those new tones.
Real nice reverb is that...
Ama update my machine ASAP 😊
How does sub probability get effected when doing step repeats? I imagine it sounds probabalistic, but maybe not?
very cool instrument.
Great video👌
Roland has a bad habit of making weird menu dives. The original out of the box had very little of it. Seemed cured. But with unlisted button combos..
I like the other stuff but I definitely will not remember those combos.
there’s an update for the tr6s too, with a few goodies 🙏🏼
Yeah I think it’s the same.
Anyone noticing any bugs since the upgrade? I keep getting disappearing tracks, tracks suddenly go silent and need to be re set. I dunno I'm always near comatose when I use mine at night so it could be me😂
update Is fire though, the shaping you can do with the new FM models is crazy, new FX are really good too. Great video cheers.
I wouldn’t mind an update for the TR8
bruh
& Roland wouldn't mind you updating to the TR-8S😉
does it have motion sequencing?
Uhm .. micro timing ?
No micro timing
@@StarskyCarr not yet
I bought this vut sent it back it just felt cheap shame really as it sounded great
'kin 'ell!
Too many commercials on this channel unsubscribing
It’s because the videos are longer and more detailed. They’re auto placed by UA-cam and I even strip some out. There’s no more than others. Less per minute viewing. Under 30 secs per hour.. but hey ho… it’s all free. I earn less than 50% minimum wage on these so if you can’t even support that well…. Goodbye.
Is there a possibility to retrigger the LFO or sync it in any way now?
Thanks Starsky, I’ve been using the TR-8S on and off for a year or so but this update takes it to the next level. Although there are some melodic presets, I love using this exactly as it was meant to be - a centrepiece for drums. A “drum machine” if you will. Hadn’t really taken a close look at the editor until you showed it in this vid, a game changer! Thanks dude 👍👍👍😃😃
Yeah its great. The 8s is an excellent live tool - but that doesn't mean you have to restrict yourself to the menu system when setting up your playlist or creating your kits! It just makes accessing everything so much easier
Thanks Starsky for another great vid. This is utterly brilliant! At the risk of sounding greedy... V2.5 really makes it sound like they might do a V3.0 right? The next thing on my wish list now for TR8s is the ability to plug in a keyboard and play melodic lines in using keys. Yes - you can tune the sounds manually to different pitches but despite giving it a decent go - I'm too slow for improvising live. If you could quickly record these brilliant FM bass and lead sounds into the pattern using an external midi keyboard - for example a little boutique keyboard. Someone said that it records cc changes to do the pitching but it is not beyond the skill of the roland nerds to come code. You can do that on the Twisted Electrons Blastbeats. Also on the list for V3.0 would be microtimings + randomisation or cycling between fills please (eg - press manual trigger of fill and it plays a different one each time. Credit to Roland for not abandoning this beast.
Needs a keyboard mode for sure like the little t6 has. That would be perfect
Wait, you can't already do what you described (plugging in an external MIDI keyboard and using it to sequence melodies)? That seems like a massive oversight to me, especially considering how many features it already has. Hmmm.
These new sounds remind me of my Elektron Machinedrum.
I wish I still had my machinedrum. I had to sell it to fund the Rytm,
@@StarskyCarr yeah I regret selling mine as well.
Hey SO, if you ever get a chance to chat with Roland, ask if "probability" will ever be made available on the "trigger out" track.
i think it's bizzare that Roland give their new smaller miniature line generic USB drivers, but i STILL can't connect my TR8s to my iPad, WTF? I do like the new FM tones and probability %
i would very much like to use TR8s with Zenbeats on iPad...
I just bought this a week ago, and already an update, woohoo! I'm usually not a fan of Roland's "ACB" stuff, but I must admit that they pretty much nailed it this time. Close enough for my needs anyway. Thanks for sharing.
The TR sounds are fantastic.. and you've much more control than samples. Imagine a world before these... :) £3k for a 909 £4k for an 808 The TR-8 was a revelation.
@@StarskyCarr
Yeah. Truth is, the RD-8 and RD-9 from Behringer sound even closer to a real 808 and 909, but the reality is that in a mix no one can tell which is which. And the TR8S takes up much less space than two of these side-by-side and also has a lot more control.
why would you not be a fan of their ACB stuff? it's the best digital tech roland has ever created.
@@AlainHubert the only behringer that sounds closer to the original is the vc340 versus the VP-O3. vp-03 sounds a bit off. other than that, the ACB products are all perfect to my ears.
@@djangofett4879
A lot of other ACB products from Roland sound "a bit off" as you say, compared to the originals. But some of them are good enough for some people. Besides, not everyone can afford the real deal anyway.
One day Roland will update the TR8s so much I'll have to pop the question - will it marry me?
**dreamy sigh**
(wakes up looking at the QuasiMidi Raveolution and the divorce papers from 1996)
😅
Thanks for this! Love the TR-8S. It's an inspiring piece of kit and along with my MC707, forms the centrepiece of my setup.
i run my TR and MC into my Octatrack for mixing and EFX, crazy powerful combo!
LOL What's with having the plant on the right obscuring the LCD screen? Thanks for the update anyway.
Haha I know- it wasn’t obscuring my view and only noticed when I looked up at the camera display. At least I moved it in the end! 🤦♂️
@@StarskyCarr You still gave us a good look and listen at the new update. So nice job. I was on the verge of buying a TR-8S when I 1st posted, I wanted to see EVERYTHING! But I've since bought one. Now I'm able to watch your video again and just enjoy it :)
I hope this has the randomization part in it (jk)
The fw makes me want to buy one, but I already have 2 capable samplers and enough sequencers.
GAS does not equal better, I will do with what I have but can see the newer update and absolute blessing for some.
FM sounds excellent. probability and sub is my fav.
I did ask on last vid, can you do prob on FX per step?
There’s no probability on the FX just the notes, sub and master.
@@StarskyCarr bummer.
loving the tr-8s so far but really hope i didnt have to switch audio driver to tr8s to record invidiual tracks out into daw, gotta keep switcihing settings in utility also. bummer.
Well, that's it. The new probability features sold me. It's about time somebody actually made a probability for the ratchet to play or not!
Great review ! Is there a way to make unquantized stuff?
Can you play it live in a setup with mv-1 verselab or song mode even though they have different platform engines. Wonder how they play together.
You can, but there’s no song mode in the TR8S so you program it as you go along.
Gotta love how many non-Dutch people probably have no clue what Gabber means. 😆
I love me some Neophyte, the Horrorist, RMB, Brutalismus 3000.. those are my inspirations along with KMFDM, NIN and DarkWave
After nearly 20 years of no new hardware, I bought an Elecktron Digitakt and Digitone in 2020. They are lovely... but generally never grabbed me as "dedicated" drum machine material (and I've owned/loved many by Roland in the past). This video could be the push I need to buy this baby... It looks and sounds intuitive, PLAYABLE, and FUN! Thank you, kindly. 😁
I was genuinely blown away when I bought my TR6s these just don’t get the hype they deserve
its really fun man , go get one !
Thx nice .. Waiting for a Proper tutorial for this though..
Question : is the new fm sounds put together as a kit or should you find them one by one .. ??
You can find them one by one. I don't think there's a kit (I've not found one anyway).
@@StarskyCarr though one can SAVE them as a kit... right?? 😁
@@antfactor yes, that’s what I’ve done
Hi Starsky, thanks for your video. now a question: can you put reverb on the external input?
Ooh… I’ve never tried. I’ve lent it to my mate (he’s thinking of buying one) so will have to wait to try
@@StarskyCarr should be inspected with the "utility" button, right?
@@cristobalgomez5434 Yes, Thats possible I use the external in for my Bass station II and Td-3 and I often send reverb or delay to both devices even the master FX affect the external in's. If you push [Shift] + Kit you get to the EXT IN setting.
Is this a re-upload?
Yeah… I hadn’t added the new randomisation in the edit. 🤦♂️ duh!
@@StarskyCarr 😆 Thanks, I thought it was a "déjà vu" experience... 😉
@@StarskyCarr great vids all round though.
I can't see the value at all in this unit. These sounds are commonly found in DAWS and plugins and the sound quality itself isn't any better. That's a lot of cash for a toy to play with.
I can´t believe it it yet has the same screen as in my Boss- SE 50 and 70, what a toy this Aira but sounds as a toy. If you want a real sampler, get the last one Roland did, S-770 that is a serious machine!
S770 nice kit but tr8s wouldn't really be my go to sampler. It's better as a drum machine. Eq and comp really bring it out. Roland have produced many toys since 1990 but I'd say this is their best drum machine in modern times.