Yes. It’s so often said that war is logistics, but then what exactly is logistics as it applies to war? I’m sure most people realise that it’s something like producing supplies and getting them to where they are needed as they are needed, but that summary really seems insufficient to understand “logistics”.
This is a perfect example of why i love warographics. Someone can explain air superiority in 5 to 10 mins. You guys not only explain it, but give so many examples and explanations that a layman actually understands the concepts. Thank you Simon and crew
Love this Art of War series. Logistics, economics, attrition warfare, psychological warfare, strategic bombing, blockades, research and development, and intelligence could all be interesting topics covered in the future
I just found the Art of War Series and I'm excited to watch the videos about Urban and Guerrilla Warfare.... This is one of my new favorite channels of his...
This guy Simon Whistler is everywhere. Interesting topic nevertheless I can't listen to his narration. He just reads scripts and I genuinely believe he knows very little of the topics he covers. He just copy paste from the website and narrates it without having a deeper understanding. The comments on his channels are few too, meaning people click the video base on the topic but stop watching after this guys shows up again. Someone please make a video on the topic.
Hoa City in 1968 and Bagdad in 2003 proved that tanks, cannon, and aircraft will always give way at the end to the infantry man with his personal weapon etc. going house to house and room to room. The USMC general summed it up in 2003. "It is down to a knife fight in a phone booth. It is our time."
I’m getting to love these videos on the Art of War…. One small niggle about the Battle of Britain: It wasn’t just British pilots fighting on the British side… There were pilots from commonwealth countries, French, American volunteers (The US was still neutral at the time) and most famously, the Polish and Czech pilots, some of whom had amongst the highest success rate in the Battle of Britain…and gained almost legendary status…
One of the often overlooked aspects of the Battle of Britain and of course the eventual German defeat on the Easter front is. For Germany every plane shot down was a lost plane and a lost pilot. For britain, it was a lost plane and perhaps a lost pilot. Meaning if the pilot parachuted down he was picked up taken to base given a new plane and could go again tomorrow. The German if he parachuted he either was captured or drowned in the channel. So by mere virtue of where the fight took place. Even if the planes shot down were 1-1 the pilots lost were 4-1 and suddenly in 2 months the British commonwealth airforces were superior in talents and experience to their German counterparts.
Do not forget about the Strategic Bombing Campaign by Bomber Command and the 8h USAAF. I saw a post for IL-2 Sturmovik that had a Battle over Normandy Operation. I had to correct this because due to the Battles over NW Europe and Germany with the Bombers used as bait to bring the Luftwaffe Fighters up to destroy the Bombers and at the right moment the P51s and P47s bounced them day after day and essentially forced them back into Germany to defend the Fatherland and left the Allied Forces that landed on D-Day free to continuously land wave after wave of assault troops, tanks, ammo, other supplies and more. This was because the Allied Air Forces had achieved complete Air Supremecy in NW Europe. Many of you may have heard about the next WWII Miniseries like Band of Brothers and The Pacific which were made by Spielberg and Hank. This will focus on the Bombing Campaign and the men who flew and died in those Heavies. It is based heavily on the Book "Masters of the Air: America’s Bomber Boys Who Fought The Air War Against Nazi Germany." I had always been so interested in WWII and while ai knew and learned more about the Ground Forces in all theaters, I didn't go to far in depth on the Air War, whether in NW Europe or in the Pacific where it was fought differently by mostly Carrier Borne Fighters and when close enough due to bloody battles to take strategic Islands so the Bombers could hit Japan. I went off post though. When's i read that book, I had chills run down my spine at certain times. It details the Inception of the USAAF's first time in Britain to begin building the bases and runways for the bombers when they came. The first missions flown, then how wrong they were when they started flying to Germany and were just decimated by Luftwaffe Fighters, the hell these men went through for even a few minutes, the gory details, etc. I wont ruin the rest. But please, implore you to.resd this book
And having the backing of a production giant like the USA…that pilot was probably given a brand new bird with state of the art upgrades rather than a patched up piece of shit.
Not only that but the British would cycle out their pilots they would serve on a tour of duty and then they would be grounded for a little bit and go on and teach others because they had combat and flight experience Germany by contrast didn't do this at all, pilots would be flown until they died making it all the more difficult to train new ones as those who had direct experience were not able to pass this along
Part of Japan's problem with pilots was that they didn't rotate their best pilots back to train the next wave, while the US frequently pulled back their best to take on the role of trainer. See, one pilot who is just gifted might shoot down 20, 25 enemy planes, of you pull him back to teach even some of his tricks to rookies could teach en entire class to each shoot down 5 or 10, which becomes overwhelming. So while the best Japanese pilots might add 5 or 10 more planes shot down before dying, the US ace would help train up a force that could shoot down many times as many.
The US leveraged it's industrial scale against both Japan and Germany. Can you really hold your best pilots, or any at all, back when the there are literally thousands of US bombers in almost daily attacks on something important?
@@swj719 The United States would always have been able to swamp Japan with more pilots no matter what Japan’s training programs were. There is quality in numbers after all.
That device he was talking about was actually a trigger mechanism… the propeller would actually pull the gun trigger and the pilot pulled the trigger to activate that mechanism but since the prop was so fast the pilot can’t notice a delay, therefore a center fired prop planes fire rate is dependent on the rpm of the prop.
@Dank-gb6jn Oh, you are one of those people. I should have guessed that given Russia currency was never that strong and you deflecting due to a lack of an argument but no even with different situations developing the us dollar will stay an important factor in the global economy for a long time
@@kameronjones7139whatever you say, slick. You’re the one who started with the meme’d out *cough cough,* McCarthyism bs. I’m simply pointing out that the mass-printed dollar isn’t what it used to be. It doesn’t even crack top-5 on the list of strongest currencies; despite being on the list of top 10...must suck getting blown out by the Kuwaiti Dinar.
Much like Alfred Mahan's theory of naval supremecy, its not about winning controk of the sea/air thats an end to itself, Its about what having control enables you to do.
Precisely. Modern U.S. air doctrine dictates that many times air superiority is only necessary for a short period of time, say 30 minutes, while the vulnerable attack and strike aircraft, including helicopters, engage the front lines or in the enemy rear areas. Having constant air superiority can be achieved, but usually at a very high cost in dollars and Ops tempo.
Its interesting that the planes being introduced now like F35, F22, and J20 are all Air Supremacy fighters. The idea that these jets could control and entire section of the sky denying it to the enemy is pretty incredible. Even much loved jets like F14, F15, F18, and F16 couldnt dream of making possible.
Hahhahahahha the J-20, that's pretty funny. Introduced now? hahahhahah the F-22 was introduced 30+ years ago and deployed almost 20 years now. The J-20 can't be mentioned in the same class as the F-35 and definitely not with the F-22. The F-22 and F-35 are true stealth aircraft and very hard to detect. The J-20 is not an actual stealth aircraft like they are. It's probably harder to see than 4th gen fighters like the F-15, 16 and 18 but doesn't come close to the Raptor or Lightning II. Head to head, the J-20 would be spotted by the F-22 and F-35 long before it could see them therefore would be shot out of the sky without knowing it was even being targeted. It's like a minor league team playing a major league team. That isn't even talking about the most important aspect to a head to head engagement, the pilot. Everybody knows the US, along with Israel, have the best pilots in the world. This is because they have the best, most realistic training available with some having actual combat experience. Nothing beats combat experience. J-20 pilots along with every other Chinese pilot, have zero combat experience. They don't even have any retired pilots with it so they can't even learn anything from them. The best pilots flying the best aircraft is a combination that can't be beat. US pilots flying 4th gen fighters stand a pretty good chance in defeating the J-20 and an excellent chance of taking down all the other Chinese aircraft like the J-10, 11, 15 and 16. The J-31 might be a little better but still won't be in the same class as the F-22 and F-35. All China can do is steal and try and copy designs. They haven't been able to develop their own stuff. Hell the SU57 is a better aircraft than the J-20 is. hahahha
@@keso_de_bola1750A lot of people I've spoken to when I asked them what they thought the KIA for each side was, they had the idea that the US had a higher amount of KIA than the NVA/VC. They are shocked when told the ratio is around 1 US KIA : 20 NVA/VC KIA. It seems to be a very common misconception.
@@Aloh-od3ef US lost less than 60,000 men, Vietnam lost more than 1.3 million. Vietnam is just lucky US spared them and didn't dropped hundreds of nukes on them, more people including civilians would die.
I will forever hold an imessurable respect for the men and women who can fly in combat. I hate flying when being just a passenger on a commercial airliner, I can't even imagine the flying in combat... Really puts that respect in even more perspective.
Along with the naval supremacy the US enjoys, comes international air supremacy 🤷♂️ because we could stop anything from going anywhere, almost at any time.
The American bombing of Korea flattened every single city in the country… American bombing in Vietnam dropped a higher tonnage than all sides in all theaters of WW2 combined!
Thank you for including the ground and naval aspect. I often see that either unmentioned, very glossed over, or dominating the discussion. War is far more nuanced and all encompassing.
Two Blackburn Buccaneers from HMS Ark Royal prevented an invasion of Belize (then British Honduras) by Guatemala (1972) simply by buzzing the troops on the border. They launched so far out that it was a 2,600 mile round trip to the carrier and at the time the longest FAA flight distance, completed unsupported and without GPS etc. There is a really fun book on the operation called “Phoenix Squadron”.
Bravo, sir. 👏I haven't heard too many understand the difference that exists between Air Superiority and Air Supremacy. I've actually heard too many say these interchangeably, and that's just not the case (as you so finely stated). 👏
A little not on Iraq: Suddam believed that his ground forces would be enough to stop America and he wanted to save his airforce for use in a future conflict with one of the neighbouring countries. So he tried to hide them by having them buried and such
To be fair to Saddam, his air force wouldn't have really had any impact even if he had deployed it. The Iraqi Air Force in 1991 was massively stronger than in 2003, yet it was dismantled within weeks by Coalition forces.
Oh man, I hope that guy who was trying to tell me you didn't need an airforce to demonstrate proficiency in combined arms tactics sees this. It's basically a dissertation on why he's wrong.
Future war (hope not) will guarantee uses the Space Force (that P. Trump initiated,now they really putting money (P.Biden even allocated 20 billion more than the Military asked for,so ... China?. Good comment.
Yep 100% proof I was right and any argument with needing an airforce to use combined arms is something only a fool would believe. Might as well claim that rocks are lighter than air.
@@trli7117 You might be right. As the old saying goes "The pen is mightier than the Thord". The money we taxpayer spend on the military (think we in the US stands for 30 of the total of the whole world). If so,kinda tragic that NK, Afhaganistan, Iran etc still is like a joke to the US. England Controlled of the whole back in the days. We wasnt exacty a Empirear at that time,still we won! As Ukranane .well, tell sure as hell giving russia a good fight so far. Great reply.
Pro tip to read italian names: Giulio in Giulio Douhet is spelled like Julia, but ending in -o. Julio. This will come in handy when you will name Giulio Cesare😉
My commander in the Air Force flew from west Texas to Afghanistan dropped a bomb and was back in his office the next morning. Air power is very very real.
Yep it's really impressive to logistics the logistics that go behind the US can put in airplane anywhere in the world in the next 30 minutes if the need is great enough to demand it
Loving the Art of War series. Intelligence, R&D, logistics, economics, and psychological warfare would be great installations. And feel free to run long! These videos are great! More is better! Take my Viewtime!
I feel the apparent dominance of gaining aerial supremacy has actually been more a reflection of that side having a resource advantage over the adversary. Meaning, the apparent association between air power and likelihood of winning is not causative but rather due to a shared cause. Generally speaking, the side with aerial supremacy has been the side that has invested more resources into a conflict. Moreover, a side with air power at the expense of all else would likely struggle without ground forces to support it. Meaning, it is still a case of striking the right balance between air, ground, and (where applicable) naval forces. Each (modern) aircraft represents a significant concentration of resources. It is unclear - at least to me - if having X resources of aerial resources is going to be inherently superior against an adversary who had instead invested that same X resources into ground forces with a mix of anti-ground and anti-air capabilities.
Problem is, air supremacy shows that ground anti-air needs aircraft to cover them. If you do not contest air superiority, the enemy will use aircraft to seek out the anti-air.
Communist forces in Korea and Vietnam had manpower advantage, home turf, plenty of resources, but couldn't really stop US air power from running amok and doing as they please over the combat zones, and militarily they got their teeth kicked in. It was politicians and conduct with civilians that eventually hamstrung US forces in Vietnam. Conduct with civilians that the communist forces got away with on a much larger and more heinous scale.
Why? Because armchair warriors want to quote him while typing on their computer? Or do you think the top generals of the top militaries are sitting their reading Sun Tzu as they make their strategies?
@@Unknowngfyjoh You learn Sun Tzu in military college and a lot of his lessons get baked into standard operating procedure, or when something happens, theory gets reviewed again and procedure will get modified accordingly. Nobody directly quotes Sun Tzu often in a battlefield situation because you have to focus on the modern tools you need, but you can never neglect the influence of Sun Tzu or Clausewitz, etc.
@@Unknowngfyjoh It's actually widely read in any good officer corp. The genius is that he wrote of higher level concept, each generation has to reconsider how it fits with their technology and capabilities. The concepts are baked into their education. Some look into why those ideas are and keep up with the newest hardware and how the latest conflicts were fought. So they don't read Sun Tzi and the Five Rings next to their war plans, they know it directly or indirectly by the time they are qualified to be in the room to make the plans. And since you are unlikely to know, the battle of Cannae and the campaigns of the Mongols - Subedai in particular - are still studied, even by the US military.
1. Network-centric distributed air defence lethality. Not a classic layered air defence system architecture. (No A2/AD) 2. New kind of cooperation between the 4. & 5th gen fighters, especially with the new air ambush tactics. 3. Air asymmetric warfare doctrine against the superior air forces. 4. Good and capable aerial (and naval) drone developing and producing. 5. Industrial infrastructure for the much cheaper and variable missile and drone production. (Different than West)
General Mitchell darn near had a crystal ball in his brain. Sadly, he died just prior to WW2. The US air force struggled early on, but listening to Mitchell could have saved us a lot pain.
The exception the USA vs. Vietnam where the US had air Supremacy and also fought dirty with ancient orange and brutal Napalm strikes but still hardly made a dent
Oh that's a multitude of reasons why aircraft were ineffective I'll only list a few though Perhaps first and foremost the adversary were diggers, best way to escape an incoming aerial strike is to get out of the area, and deep into the earth is a very effective strategy For 40 years the Vietnamese had developed a massive complex infrastructure all underground whilst fighting the French. Meaning it was not very difficult to expand this already existing system when engaging with the Americans. As many former fighters already knew where and how to use and expand the system And at the time United States do not have any munitions that could penetrate very deep into the Earth Another reason was the adversaries had discovered the call signs for the US aircraft and were capable of predicting the type of aircraft incoming and what munitions would be utilized Making the Americans and their aerial engagements very predictable
The a 10 warthog is probably my all time favorite plane there’s just something about that gun in the nose that’s just so bad ass also the Ac 130 is honorable mention which is also very bad ass
Actually,the 1st human to find & use a way to fire guns without shooting its propellers was a Frenchman.It was done by fitting steel plates at the back of propellers.You should feature stealth & spy tech & luck in past wars.
The BIGGEST failure of the axis was their pilots flew combat missions till they died. The US brought experienced pilots home to train the new pilots, giving them the immense benefits of their experiences.
Exactly. It's better to have the wizard fighter pilot teach dozens of pilots to be able to shoot down maybe 5 planes than to keep them out there to maybe total 20.
I don't know if that's necessarily a failure given their situation. When the amount of fuel you have is very limited, it can make more sense that 10 hours of avgas is better spent having aces fly combat missions than giving a rookie pilot 10 hours more training, since there's no guarantee that he'll actually be that much better. Of course training is important, but when you're in a position like the Germans, where you have a lot of raids to fight off, and not a lot of fuel, difficult choices have to be made
That, and also in the Battle of Britain the Luftwaffe pilots who were shot down and survived bailed out over the UK, so were almost immediately taken prisoner. An RAF pilot who was shot down and survived could be back in the air within hours. That's an unsustainable form of attrition.
I read about Billy Mitchell yesterday. Great ideas, but tried hard to stop the creation of the world's second largest air force: the U.S. Navy. Went so hard that he went to court martial.
I found out today that there’s a bf109 for sale, that said 109 was one of the first ones to see action in the spanish civil war as part of the condor legion. It can be yours for only $6,000,000
I would love to see a video analyzing why pilots, or at least directly crewed planes, are still a thing and planned to be a thing for the near to middle future (even if their role is narrowing)
The problem with being ahead of your time is, well... Douhat, Mitchell, and the "Bomber Mafia" got their numbers, badly, badly wrong. The casualty estimates were off by an order of magnitude. There's still no evidence that (even nuclear) bombardment will "break an enemies will to fight". The opposite seems true. And it cost us, of all branches the Air Corps specifically the bombers, took the worst casualties.
I loved it, 3 thinks 1. Didn't discuss the Vietnam war 2. Gulf war there were few losses infamous was the RAF tornado downed and pilots captured - ua-cam.com/video/3kpiaP_yaIg/v-deo.html 3. The end felt was hurried
Does Simon and his team ever rest? I wake up to a new video, watch another Simon channel over Lunch, come home to dinner to another video, and maybe finish off the day with another release. Not that I am complaining - I only wish my government was as productive….
Jet engine was developed during WW2 , nothing new engine type has been developed 80 years . WW2 led to some serious inventions. War is good for inventions
The Vietnam air wars and the aerial denial battles between attacking air forces versus combined arms aerial and ground-based air defences (like during the Vietnam War, Arab-Israeli Wars of the 1960s/1970s/1980s and ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War) are missing in this video.
I would like to see a video on the history of jet propulsion and how the concept was viewed before the second world war, giving due credit to the redcoat's very own Frank Whittle
In 1982 Israel fighter jets shot down Syrian fighter jets like swatting flies from the air. At the end of the war Israel shot down 86 fighter jets with zero losses on the Israeli side. 29 Soviet air defense systems were obliterated
24:47 should be adaptation, and then shortly after, "the pilots were adept .." should have been said, not,"the pilots were adapt ...". Nevertheless, given the number of words you used, your monolog was excellent.
1:03: ✈ Air power has become an indispensable part of warfare, with control of the skies equating to control over the entire battlefield. 3:44: ✈ Air supremacy is achieved through a combination of ground attacks, pilot vs pilot engagements, and ground-to-air measures. 6:53: ✈ The development of air power during World War 1 and its impact on warfare. 9:56: ✈ The value of air power in warfare was not initially appreciated, but Nazi Germany's luftwaffe demonstrated its effectiveness in the early years of World War II. 13:04: ✈ The role of air superiority in World War II. 16:32: ✈ The evolution of aerial combat from the Korean War to the present day. 19:40: ✈ The article discusses the importance of air superiority in military conflicts and provides examples of past and ongoing conflicts. 23:41: ✈ Air supremacy will continue to be critical in future conflicts. Recap by Tammy AI
You should do this sort of video on logistics.
The true power.
Unfortunately it's hard to make logistics interesting... unless you're Perun discussing how terrible Russian logistics is.
I’d watch it.. and Russian logistics is a great example of what can go wrong if it’s done improperly 😂
I would Imagin they do, It is the central concept of Western warfighting, it's kind of hard to get around 😂
YASSS!
Please do this with logistics. I think we all would love to see that
Agreed.
An army marches on its stomach.
The model for logistics: The US military
Yes. It’s so often said that war is logistics, but then what exactly is logistics as it applies to war?
I’m sure most people realise that it’s something like producing supplies and getting them to where they are needed as they are needed, but that summary really seems insufficient to understand “logistics”.
Wendover productions has done a pretty in-depth video on the us military logistics
This is a perfect example of why i love warographics. Someone can explain air superiority in 5 to 10 mins. You guys not only explain it, but give so many examples and explanations that a layman actually understands the concepts. Thank you Simon and crew
Love this Art of War series. Logistics, economics, attrition warfare, psychological warfare, strategic bombing, blockades, research and development, and intelligence could all be interesting topics covered in the future
I just found the Art of War Series and I'm excited to watch the videos about Urban and Guerrilla Warfare.... This is one of my new favorite channels of his...
This guy Simon Whistler is everywhere. Interesting topic nevertheless I can't listen to his narration. He just reads scripts and I genuinely believe he knows very little of the topics he covers. He just copy paste from the website and narrates it without having a deeper understanding. The comments on his channels are few too, meaning people click the video base on the topic but stop watching after this guys shows up again. Someone please make a video on the topic.
A pretty good summary of air power. Crazy to think aerial warfare has evolved so much in just a century
1:05 - Chapter 1 - The method
6:40 - Chapter 2 - The history
20:50 - Chapter 3 - The modern day
22:50 - Chapter 4 - Future & analysis
Finally! Another Art of War video. I was hoping this series wouldn't be dead.
Hoa City in 1968 and Bagdad in 2003 proved that tanks, cannon, and aircraft will always give way at the end to the infantry man with his personal weapon etc. going house to house and room to room. The USMC general summed it up in 2003. "It is down to a knife fight in a phone booth. It is our time."
I’m getting to love these videos on the Art of War….
One small niggle about the Battle of Britain: It wasn’t just British pilots fighting on the British side…
There were pilots from commonwealth countries, French, American volunteers (The US was still neutral at the time)
and most famously, the Polish and Czech pilots, some of whom had amongst the highest success rate in the Battle of Britain…and gained almost legendary status…
Ah, 303 Squadron: some of the best pilots we had in the war!
This guy is known for not spitting historical accurate info. Take salt with his words
Niggle?
One of the often overlooked aspects of the Battle of Britain and of course the eventual German defeat on the Easter front is. For Germany every plane shot down was a lost plane and a lost pilot. For britain, it was a lost plane and perhaps a lost pilot. Meaning if the pilot parachuted down he was picked up taken to base given a new plane and could go again tomorrow. The German if he parachuted he either was captured or drowned in the channel. So by mere virtue of where the fight took place. Even if the planes shot down were 1-1 the pilots lost were 4-1 and suddenly in 2 months the British commonwealth airforces were superior in talents and experience to their German counterparts.
Do not forget about the Strategic Bombing Campaign by Bomber Command and the 8h USAAF. I saw a post for IL-2 Sturmovik that had a Battle over Normandy Operation. I had to correct this because due to the Battles over NW Europe and Germany with the Bombers used as bait to bring the Luftwaffe Fighters up to destroy the Bombers and at the right moment the P51s and P47s bounced them day after day and essentially forced them back into Germany to defend the Fatherland and left the Allied Forces that landed on D-Day free to continuously land wave after wave of assault troops, tanks, ammo, other supplies and more. This was because the Allied Air Forces had achieved complete Air Supremecy in NW Europe. Many of you may have heard about the next WWII Miniseries like Band of Brothers and The Pacific which were made by Spielberg and Hank. This will focus on the Bombing Campaign and the men who flew and died in those Heavies. It is based heavily on the Book "Masters of the Air: America’s Bomber Boys Who Fought The Air War Against Nazi Germany." I had always been so interested in WWII and while ai knew and learned more about the Ground Forces in all theaters, I didn't go to far in depth on the Air War, whether in NW Europe or in the Pacific where it was fought differently by mostly Carrier Borne Fighters and when close enough due to bloody battles to take strategic Islands so the Bombers could hit Japan. I went off post though. When's i read that book, I had chills run down my spine at certain times. It details the Inception of the USAAF's first time in Britain to begin building the bases and runways for the bombers when they came. The first missions flown, then how wrong they were when they started flying to Germany and were just decimated by Luftwaffe Fighters, the hell these men went through for even a few minutes, the gory details, etc. I wont ruin the rest. But please, implore you to.resd this book
And having the backing of a production giant like the USA…that pilot was probably given a brand new bird with state of the art upgrades rather than a patched up piece of shit.
Easter?
Not only that but the British would cycle out their pilots they would serve on a tour of duty and then they would be grounded for a little bit and go on and teach others because they had combat and flight experience
Germany by contrast didn't do this at all, pilots would be flown until they died making it all the more difficult to train new ones as those who had direct experience were not able to pass this along
Part of Japan's problem with pilots was that they didn't rotate their best pilots back to train the next wave, while the US frequently pulled back their best to take on the role of trainer.
See, one pilot who is just gifted might shoot down 20, 25 enemy planes, of you pull him back to teach even some of his tricks to rookies could teach en entire class to each shoot down 5 or 10, which becomes overwhelming.
So while the best Japanese pilots might add 5 or 10 more planes shot down before dying, the US ace would help train up a force that could shoot down many times as many.
The US leveraged it's industrial scale against both Japan and Germany. Can you really hold your best pilots, or any at all, back when the there are literally thousands of US bombers in almost daily attacks on something important?
@@mattheww.6232 yes. You take the best 10 back to train, and after a couple of months you have 50 guys who have a massive leg up.
@@swj719
The United States would always have been able to swamp Japan with more pilots no matter what Japan’s training programs were.
There is quality in numbers after all.
The other problems with Japan=some aircrew didn’t use parachutes & the Japs never attempted to rescue their aircrew.
That device he was talking about was actually a trigger mechanism… the propeller would actually pull the gun trigger and the pilot pulled the trigger to activate that mechanism but since the prop was so fast the pilot can’t notice a delay, therefore a center fired prop planes fire rate is dependent on the rpm of the prop.
A SuperPower that can't enforce Air Superiority isn't a SuperPower,
@@Dank-gb6jn*cough* Russia *cough*
@Dank-gb6jn Oh, you are one of those people. I should have guessed that given Russia currency was never that strong and you deflecting due to a lack of an argument but no even with different situations developing the us dollar will stay an important factor in the global economy for a long time
@@Dank-gb6jn😂😂😂😂 thanks, I needed a good laugh today.
@Dank-gb6jn stop pretending you are american because you aren't. You are doing little more than deflecting with a thin argument
@@kameronjones7139whatever you say, slick. You’re the one who started with the meme’d out *cough cough,* McCarthyism bs. I’m simply pointing out that the mass-printed dollar isn’t what it used to be. It doesn’t even crack top-5 on the list of strongest currencies; despite being on the list of top 10...must suck getting blown out by the Kuwaiti Dinar.
Much like Alfred Mahan's theory of naval supremecy, its not about winning controk of the sea/air thats an end to itself, Its about what having control enables you to do.
Precisely. Modern U.S. air doctrine dictates that many times air superiority is only necessary for a short period of time, say 30 minutes, while the vulnerable attack and strike aircraft, including helicopters, engage the front lines or in the enemy rear areas. Having constant air superiority can be achieved, but usually at a very high cost in dollars and Ops tempo.
Ah, poor old misunderstood mahan... the amount of times his works have been misunterpreted is incredible
Its interesting that the planes being introduced now like F35, F22, and J20 are all Air Supremacy fighters. The idea that these jets could control and entire section of the sky denying it to the enemy is pretty incredible. Even much loved jets like F14, F15, F18, and F16 couldnt dream of making possible.
Hahhahahahha the J-20, that's pretty funny. Introduced now? hahahhahah the F-22 was introduced 30+ years ago and deployed almost 20 years now. The J-20 can't be mentioned in the same class as the F-35 and definitely not with the F-22. The F-22 and F-35 are true stealth aircraft and very hard to detect. The J-20 is not an actual stealth aircraft like they are. It's probably harder to see than 4th gen fighters like the F-15, 16 and 18 but doesn't come close to the Raptor or Lightning II. Head to head, the J-20 would be spotted by the F-22 and F-35 long before it could see them therefore would be shot out of the sky without knowing it was even being targeted. It's like a minor league team playing a major league team. That isn't even talking about the most important aspect to a head to head engagement, the pilot. Everybody knows the US, along with Israel, have the best pilots in the world. This is because they have the best, most realistic training available with some having actual combat experience. Nothing beats combat experience. J-20 pilots along with every other Chinese pilot, have zero combat experience. They don't even have any retired pilots with it so they can't even learn anything from them. The best pilots flying the best aircraft is a combination that can't be beat. US pilots flying 4th gen fighters stand a pretty good chance in defeating the J-20 and an excellent chance of taking down all the other Chinese aircraft like the J-10, 11, 15 and 16. The J-31 might be a little better but still won't be in the same class as the F-22 and F-35. All China can do is steal and try and copy designs. They haven't been able to develop their own stuff. Hell the SU57 is a better aircraft than the J-20 is. hahahha
"He who controls the skies controls the war."
I dunno where I encountered this, but that basically sums it up. Glad Simon and co. covered this topic.
What about Vietnam 😉
@@Aloh-od3eflook up his video on why the US failed in the Vietnam war. Cause I dunno, the disparity on the casualties/dead speaks a lot.
@@keso_de_bola1750A lot of people I've spoken to when I asked them what they thought the KIA for each side was, they had the idea that the US had a higher amount of KIA than the NVA/VC. They are shocked when told the ratio is around 1 US KIA : 20 NVA/VC KIA. It seems to be a very common misconception.
@@Aloh-od3ef US lost less than 60,000 men, Vietnam lost more than 1.3 million. Vietnam is just lucky US spared them and didn't dropped hundreds of nukes on them, more people including civilians would die.
You should do naval supremacy next
I will forever hold an imessurable respect for the men and women who can fly in combat.
I hate flying when being just a passenger on a commercial airliner, I can't even imagine the flying in combat...
Really puts that respect in even more perspective.
Great video, love when you focus on the broader concepts of war, provides a really good insight
Very few countries have managed to gain Air Supremacy historically. Examples are Coalition on Gulf War, Israel on 6 day War, India on Kargil War.
Along with the naval supremacy the US enjoys, comes international air supremacy 🤷♂️ because we could stop anything from going anywhere, almost at any time.
You left out quite a few more, pretty much anything Western forces take on, such as the Yugoslavia breakup, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., etc..
@@sweetleaf9668 take air superiority is probably what he is referring to.
The American bombing of Korea flattened every single city in the country… American bombing in Vietnam dropped a higher tonnage than all sides in all theaters of WW2 combined!
WW2
Thank you for including the ground and naval aspect. I often see that either unmentioned, very glossed over, or dominating the discussion. War is far more nuanced and all encompassing.
Two Blackburn Buccaneers from HMS Ark Royal prevented an invasion of Belize (then British Honduras) by Guatemala (1972) simply by buzzing the troops on the border. They launched so far out that it was a 2,600 mile round trip to the carrier and at the time the longest FAA flight distance, completed unsupported and without GPS etc. There is a really fun book on the operation called “Phoenix Squadron”.
Please do a video on logistics! That would be extremely interesting.
Bravo, sir. 👏I haven't heard too many understand the difference that exists between Air Superiority and Air Supremacy. I've actually heard too many say these interchangeably, and that's just not the case (as you so finely stated). 👏
Warographics is clearly one of the best Channels on UA-cam
That was a great video. Probably my favourite Warographics video.
A little not on Iraq: Suddam believed that his ground forces would be enough to stop America and he wanted to save his airforce for use in a future conflict with one of the neighbouring countries. So he tried to hide them by having them buried and such
Saddam was weak, stupid, and naive.
If the US had not been involved in Desert Storm, the British could have defeated Saddam just as effortlessly.
To be fair to Saddam, his air force wouldn't have really had any impact even if he had deployed it.
The Iraqi Air Force in 1991 was massively stronger than in 2003, yet it was dismantled within weeks by Coalition forces.
A series on MREs would be good. The views for MREs are insane and completely justified.
Excellent stuff bro
Oh man, I hope that guy who was trying to tell me you didn't need an airforce to demonstrate proficiency in combined arms tactics sees this. It's basically a dissertation on why he's wrong.
Future war (hope not) will guarantee uses the Space Force (that P. Trump initiated,now they really putting money (P.Biden even allocated 20 billion more than the Military asked for,so ... China?. Good comment.
Yep 100% proof I was right and any argument with needing an airforce to use combined arms is something only a fool would believe. Might as well claim that rocks are lighter than air.
@@trli7117 You might be right. As the old saying goes "The pen is mightier than the Thord". The money we taxpayer spend on the military (think we in the US stands for 30 of the total of the whole world). If so,kinda tragic that NK, Afhaganistan, Iran etc still is like a joke to the US. England Controlled of the whole back in the days. We wasnt exacty a Empirear at that time,still we won! As Ukranane .well, tell sure as hell giving russia a good fight so far. Great reply.
Pro tip to read italian names: Giulio in Giulio Douhet is spelled like Julia, but ending in -o. Julio. This will come in handy when you will name Giulio Cesare😉
Airborne Electronic Attack. VMAQ-2. Do not disappoint me, Simon.
Logistics, manufacturing are very important
My commander in the Air Force flew from west Texas to Afghanistan dropped a bomb and was back in his office the next morning. Air power is very very real.
Yep it's really impressive to logistics
the logistics that go behind the US can put in airplane anywhere in the world in the next 30 minutes if the need is great enough to demand it
Fantastic work
Nice work
Do one on the logistics and also the economics of mobilizing forces outside the countries border
Need to see one of these on combined operations
I didn’t finish the video, but more videos would help keep me engaged personally.
Love this serie
DCS (digital combat simulator) is one of my favourite flight sims , but dam modern air combat is scary.. the distances
AIM-120D3: To whom it may concern...
@@ryanpayne7707 exactly 😂 may it hopefully not pit bull into a civilian airliner
@@ryanpayne7707"go over there and fuck up someone's day, don't really care who."
@@swj719tbh I’m loving all the f22 memes (country’s with faces)
Loving the Art of War series. Intelligence, R&D, logistics, economics, and psychological warfare would be great installations. And feel free to run long! These videos are great! More is better! Take my Viewtime!
Excellent video. Would love to see a video about the USMC MAGTF.
Wow awesome insights Simon 👍
When the History Chanel doesnt show history anymore, along came Simon.
A good follow up to this one would be the battle of Khasham. A very good example of a thorough butt kicking due to absolute air supremacy.
I feel the apparent dominance of gaining aerial supremacy has actually been more a reflection of that side having a resource advantage over the adversary. Meaning, the apparent association between air power and likelihood of winning is not causative but rather due to a shared cause. Generally speaking, the side with aerial supremacy has been the side that has invested more resources into a conflict. Moreover, a side with air power at the expense of all else would likely struggle without ground forces to support it. Meaning, it is still a case of striking the right balance between air, ground, and (where applicable) naval forces.
Each (modern) aircraft represents a significant concentration of resources. It is unclear - at least to me - if having X resources of aerial resources is going to be inherently superior against an adversary who had instead invested that same X resources into ground forces with a mix of anti-ground and anti-air capabilities.
It depends on how asymmetric the ground vs air is.
The Soviet in Afghanistan is probably the best example.
Money almost always wins!
Problem is, air supremacy shows that ground anti-air needs aircraft to cover them. If you do not contest air superiority, the enemy will use aircraft to seek out the anti-air.
Communist forces in Korea and Vietnam had manpower advantage, home turf, plenty of resources, but couldn't really stop US air power from running amok and doing as they please over the combat zones, and militarily they got their teeth kicked in. It was politicians and conduct with civilians that eventually hamstrung US forces in Vietnam. Conduct with civilians that the communist forces got away with on a much larger and more heinous scale.
@@ChucksSEADnDEADname checks out 😂 yeah ground AA without any air support is highly vulnerable to well executed SEAD
Really excellent video!
Air power rests at the apex of the first triad of victory, for it combines mobility, flexibility and initiative.
It's surprising how much of Sun Tzu's work is working even today, two and a half millenias later!
Why? Because armchair warriors want to quote him while typing on their computer? Or do you think the top generals of the top militaries are sitting their reading Sun Tzu as they make their strategies?
@@Unknowngfyjoh You learn Sun Tzu in military college and a lot of his lessons get baked into standard operating procedure, or when something happens, theory gets reviewed again and procedure will get modified accordingly. Nobody directly quotes Sun Tzu often in a battlefield situation because you have to focus on the modern tools you need, but you can never neglect the influence of Sun Tzu or Clausewitz, etc.
@@Unknowngfyjoh No because of the video title
@@Unknowngfyjoh It's actually widely read in any good officer corp. The genius is that he wrote of higher level concept, each generation has to reconsider how it fits with their technology and capabilities.
The concepts are baked into their education. Some look into why those ideas are and keep up with the newest hardware and how the latest conflicts were fought.
So they don't read Sun Tzi and the Five Rings next to their war plans, they know it directly or indirectly by the time they are qualified to be in the room to make the plans.
And since you are unlikely to know, the battle of Cannae and the campaigns of the Mongols - Subedai in particular - are still studied, even by the US military.
Sun Tzu said that! And I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do _pal_ because he invented it
1. Network-centric distributed air defence lethality. Not a classic layered air defence system architecture. (No A2/AD)
2. New kind of cooperation between the 4. & 5th gen fighters, especially with the new air ambush tactics.
3. Air asymmetric warfare doctrine against the superior air forces.
4. Good and capable aerial (and naval) drone developing and producing.
5. Industrial infrastructure for the much cheaper and variable missile and drone production. (Different than West)
Bad Company 2 and BF4 taught me the importance of air superiority in terms I learned direct consequence of 😅
BF1 and BF3 really ensured that ace pilots could dictate the flow of the game
Love the vids
My I suggest Warographics explores The Battle of Britain. I am sure Simon's articulation of the battle would be gripping to say the least!
General Mitchell darn near had a crystal ball in his brain. Sadly, he died just prior to WW2. The US air force struggled early on, but listening to Mitchell could have saved us a lot pain.
The exception the USA vs. Vietnam where the US had air Supremacy and also fought dirty with ancient orange and brutal Napalm strikes but still hardly made a dent
Oh that's a multitude of reasons why aircraft were ineffective I'll only list a few though
Perhaps first and foremost the adversary were diggers, best way to escape an incoming aerial strike is to get out of the area, and deep into the earth is a very effective strategy
For 40 years the Vietnamese had developed a massive complex infrastructure all underground whilst fighting the French. Meaning it was not very difficult to expand this already existing system when engaging with the Americans. As many former fighters already knew where and how to use and expand the system
And at the time United States do not have any munitions that could penetrate very deep into the Earth
Another reason was the adversaries had discovered the call signs for the US aircraft and were capable of predicting the type of aircraft incoming and what munitions would be utilized
Making the Americans and their aerial engagements very predictable
The a 10 warthog is probably my all time favorite plane there’s just something about that gun in the nose that’s just so bad ass also the Ac 130 is honorable mention which is also very bad ass
Very good explanation. Congratulations for the Channel (or channels) !
Very fascinating.
Actually,the 1st human to find & use a way to fire guns without shooting its propellers was a Frenchman.It was done by fitting steel plates at the back of propellers.You should feature stealth & spy tech & luck in past wars.
The BIGGEST failure of the axis was their pilots flew combat missions till they died. The US brought experienced pilots home to train the new pilots, giving them the immense benefits of their experiences.
Exactly. It's better to have the wizard fighter pilot teach dozens of pilots to be able to shoot down maybe 5 planes than to keep them out there to maybe total 20.
I don't know if that's necessarily a failure given their situation. When the amount of fuel you have is very limited, it can make more sense that 10 hours of avgas is better spent having aces fly combat missions than giving a rookie pilot 10 hours more training, since there's no guarantee that he'll actually be that much better. Of course training is important, but when you're in a position like the Germans, where you have a lot of raids to fight off, and not a lot of fuel, difficult choices have to be made
@panzermk8 well they didn't do it at all. In the beginning of the war they could have.
That, and also in the Battle of Britain the Luftwaffe pilots who were shot down and survived bailed out over the UK, so were almost immediately taken prisoner. An RAF pilot who was shot down and survived could be back in the air within hours.
That's an unsustainable form of attrition.
Lovely video
Another amazing video from you and your crew Simon. Thanks!
-Random ISAF Pilot during the battle of the comona islands.
@@ryanpayne7707 Every Ace Combat protagonists ever lol.
Me: Oh this looks like a interesting topic"
"oh FFS its another one of his channels,lmao"
In air supremacy no one beats America no one. This will remain the same for the foreseeable future at least. I'm not an American so no bias.
Ya don't hv to.beat or, given good airtight AA/AD
Air supremacy has been a problem for far too long. We need equal rights for land and sea.
If you control the sky, you can control what is on the ground.
Kinda like, "I got higher ground" idea.
If you control the air, you can control the ground. If you control the ground and air, you control the engagement.
Ancient Greeks used to say "Αἰὲν ὑψικρατεῖν " ain ypsicratin in loose translation dominate from above
I read about Billy Mitchell yesterday. Great ideas, but tried hard to stop the creation of the world's second largest air force: the U.S. Navy. Went so hard that he went to court martial.
Can you guys please do a video on the developing situation in West Africa?
SIMON! THERE YOU ARE!
You're the best!!!
The US should supply Kurdish independence fighters with aircraft
I found out today that there’s a bf109 for sale, that said 109 was one of the first ones to see action in the spanish civil war as part of the condor legion. It can be yours for only $6,000,000
Fully agree!
Thanks
I would love to see a video analyzing why pilots, or at least directly crewed planes, are still a thing and planned to be a thing for the near to middle future (even if their role is narrowing)
Machines can never replace humans. Sure, you can program them to do everything a human does, but change 1 single element, and they stop working.
@@marktg98 that's true but at this point there's no real reason for the human to be IN the machine
Maybe cause if the signal were interfered with, the Air Force would all crash
The problem with being ahead of your time is, well...
Douhat, Mitchell, and the "Bomber Mafia" got their numbers, badly, badly wrong.
The casualty estimates were off by an order of magnitude.
There's still no evidence that (even nuclear) bombardment will "break an enemies will to fight". The opposite seems true. And it cost us, of all branches the Air Corps specifically the bombers, took the worst casualties.
I would like to see a Warographics analysis of the yemeni crisis. Great video, though!
I loved it, 3 thinks
1. Didn't discuss the Vietnam war
2. Gulf war there were few losses infamous was the RAF tornado downed and pilots captured - ua-cam.com/video/3kpiaP_yaIg/v-deo.html
3. The end felt was hurried
Does Simon and his team ever rest? I wake up to a new video, watch another Simon channel over Lunch, come home to dinner to another video, and maybe finish off the day with another release. Not that I am complaining - I only wish my government was as productive….
Jet engine was developed during WW2 , nothing new engine type has been developed 80 years . WW2 led to some serious inventions. War is good for inventions
It cannot be enjoyed more than when playing Ace Combat! (PlayStation Game)
My personal favourite IS Ace Combat 5 (2004) PS2 😊
My obsession for aviation is in a rolling scissors with my obsession with history
Another fantastic video... Damn, would love to see you speak to NATO!
Bombs away!
-Sun Tzu prob
Yea logistics!
Aerial incapability, when your enemy just can’t get it up
I like this series on warographics.
The Vietnam air wars and the aerial denial battles between attacking air forces versus combined arms aerial and ground-based air defences (like during the Vietnam War, Arab-Israeli Wars of the 1960s/1970s/1980s and ongoing Russo-Ukrainian War) are missing in this video.
Clausewitz has to be covered next!!
7:28 Simon said what now? I had to go back and watch it (as opposed to just listening to it like I usually do) to confirm.
I would like to see a video on the history of jet propulsion and how the concept was viewed before the second world war, giving due credit to the redcoat's very own Frank Whittle
One Chapter of the Art of War, Sun Tzu had not the faintest idea how to deal with 👹
"If I didn't have air supremacy, I wouldn't be here." -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
In 1982 Israel fighter jets shot down Syrian fighter jets like swatting flies from the air. At the end of the war Israel shot down 86 fighter jets with zero losses on the Israeli side. 29 Soviet air defense systems were obliterated
24:47 should be adaptation, and then shortly after, "the pilots were adept .." should have been said, not,"the pilots were adapt ...". Nevertheless, given the number of words you used, your monolog was excellent.
1:03: ✈ Air power has become an indispensable part of warfare, with control of the skies equating to control over the entire battlefield.
3:44: ✈ Air supremacy is achieved through a combination of ground attacks, pilot vs pilot engagements, and ground-to-air measures.
6:53: ✈ The development of air power during World War 1 and its impact on warfare.
9:56: ✈ The value of air power in warfare was not initially appreciated, but Nazi Germany's luftwaffe demonstrated its effectiveness in the early years of World War II.
13:04: ✈ The role of air superiority in World War II.
16:32: ✈ The evolution of aerial combat from the Korean War to the present day.
19:40: ✈ The article discusses the importance of air superiority in military conflicts and provides examples of past and ongoing conflicts.
23:41: ✈ Air supremacy will continue to be critical in future conflicts.
Recap by Tammy AI