I had a mid 1980's vented white label T-75 I bought for dirt cheap. It sounded great! It had that really warm/fat old school tone. I ultimately went with neodymium speakers, but the T-75 was great.
A few questions to people that hate them, Have you actually used them, What mic/mic's did you use and what use case. How many platinum records have been recorded with them?
My favorite speaker, when I think of a Rock/Marshall tone.. a T-75 is what comes to mind for me, very versatile, reliable and moldable to whatever sound you want, Love it. Have one of the new ones on my Marshall 5210 combo, sounds amazing to me
Both my 2x12 and 4x12 marshall cabs have G12t-75's in them. Between G12t-75's and greenbacks, they just get that perfect Marshall sound when paired with my marshall or EVH amp.
I've never really hated the T75, just enough people told me I should hate them to almost convince me to avoid them for a while - but i won't get fooled again! They aren't a great match for the type of thing I generally like to play around with for myself, but as a session player sometimes people want me to record heavier tones and T75s have always served me well in those instances.
The 75's are my favorite speaker. Most people hate them because they don't understand frequencies and mic placement. It's hard to argue Yngwie has a bad tone and he is a 75 user exclusively. Depends on the amp and tone you're going for. I find them perfect for what I do and balanced in both clean and distorted tones.
I used them with a couple Silver Jubilees and liked them. These days (at 68), I use a high powered G12H style speaker in a closed 1x12 with a Dr. Z Route 66 and love it. The set up I've used the longest.
hi paul i am an huge fan of t-75 always said this in the past. mee too i prefer the older model but i agree also new one is great too. for old school trashy doomy metal there is no better choice in my opinion and i use it in open back 1x12 combo where mids are less scooped. peronally i've never liked instead v-30
Hahaha we are running an A/B test on these thumbnails so not sure which one it was, but they are all pretty clickbaity haha Thanks for watching, glad you like it.
I got 4 broken in Chinese G12T75's in my limited edition custom shop Marshall 1960a, and they sound just as good as V30's in my opinion. Lovely huge punchy warm tones with no harshness.
With the right mic and EQing a T75 can sound amazing. Jeff Loomis's tone on Nevermore's Dead Heart in a Dead World is all Dual Recto through a Marshall cab with T75s.
I'm a huge fan of the T75 (yes, even the non vented, non donut logo modern one) for high gain tones (think early Meshuggah, Nevermore's DHIADW album, Heartwork ...), I think it's a fairly misunderstood speaker. Most people mic it up like a V30, don't bother to tweak their amp settings and expect similar results out of it ... Also as you beautifully demonstrated in the video, the T75 shines best when paired with a mid-heavy/woody sounding yet not "dull" speaker. It's one hell of a secret weapon to run in your cab, that's for sure. Loving the new video series so far, keep it up !
I've got a black label and a vented magnet g12t75. I like the vented magnet version way better. Smoother highs. It depends on what amp you combine them with though. The black label speaker sounds great with my Marshall amps, but not so great with my Mesa or Fender amps. Also, they perform better if you push them. They need volume.
They are cool speakers. I've got a stack of old ones too, I think one made it in this video.... It's often hard to tell with older speakers how much is down to softening with age too, but either way, it's a speaker I like too. Thanks for watching.
These are like the Sheffield speakers of the 80s/90s. People would buy them and think "instant Van Halen!" Plug it all in and get nothing like the sound. What was actually happening was the audio engineer on the recording side of things would partner up a 421 mic with another, usually a 57, and flick the phase on the 421 to get the sound. It was a sound totally produced at the mixing stage but that couldnt be done without the mic technique.Thats why these speakers had some merit in the studio for years until IRs became a thing. Pairing/mixing with other speakers in the cab is a way of taming the harshness, too, as their is natural phase cancellation and standing wave generation inside the cabinet. You can also change the sound by fitting internal angled baffles/boards inside the cabinet, as it breaks up/counters some standing waves.
The T75 / M65 combination is what ive run for over 15 years now. T75 in my B cab and M65 in the A cab together as a full stack is glorious Another thing is the T75 being such a high wattage speaker really excels when pushed hard as well, those that dismiss them are usually running them at low volumes and not giving them a chance to show what they can do
I played a lot of gigs & rehearsals with my Boogie MKIII simul class head though my JCM900 era 1960A cab with T-75s. The T75's complimented the MKIII really well, sounding really rich and thick. A great combo. It was more convenient to use the Marshall 1960A than my Mesa/Boogie Mark series cab because I kept the Marshall at the bass players rehearsal space and often I would supply a cab for all bands on the bill. The 1960A being 16 or 8 (stereo) or 4 oHms was more foolproof for a mixed lineup than the boogie 8 oHm. Also I was less precious about the Marshal cab because of the likely hood of beer spills etc. (Grill cloth vs metal grill) The 2203 on the other hand got on a lot better with the Boogie Mark series half open half closed back cab with C90's on the top and Black shadow (Eminence) vintage speakers in the closed bottom section. On a side note I've since replaced the Eminence made black shadows with V30s in the bottom section of the boogie MK series cab and it has improved an already great cab a huge amount in my opinion.
It did, which used to surprise me, but I think although the G12-65 is an amazing speaker, and really versatile too, it has a few dead spots. We have it come up in a few recordings here where it can sound way out of place, sometimes really not very good..... that's our fault, we will ahve used it wrong or not worked hard enough on it but it can sometimes come across not so well... I kind of figured maybe a few too many people saw it in that light and decided to switch.
I have a Laboga alligator 2x12 combo, open back. Original equiped with 2x v30. The late Adam Laboga changed one v30 with a T 75 several years ago. Sounds amazing. I think the problem is we all want to have the sound of a vintage amp played with a Peter Greens LP. 😅
It’s easy to make the T75 sound bad but it can sound great in the right context. I have an oversized 2x12 horizontal loaded cab with a pair of the old 80’s ones in it and I love that cab, especially with my JP2C. You can’t mic it up using the standard “dustcap meets the cone” spot because the dust cap is much larger than on a V30 and you’ll end up with a kind of flat and dark sound that far out. I tend to like how a 57 sounds off axis with these speakers rather than straight on as well.
I had four of em in a straight, undersized 4x12 and always sounded great. I was mostly tuning my guitars to C-standard at the time, but the speakers sounded punchy and clear. They had none of the slightly ratty sound I expected.
The problem with the t75 is that they came out when amps were getting brighter (JCM900 & 2000 series) and the overly bright sound was blamed on the speakers because when you used a Vintage 30 they had a warmer fatter sound. At least that's what I remember... It was a lifetime ago.
Jared James Nichols has a T75 in his new Blackstar signature cab, and you can hardly argue that he has a bad sound. so no, it's not the T75 that sucks, but the way some people use it.
i have a slanted 4x12 marshall, i took out the top two T-75's and loaded V30's to go with a mesa single rec. sounds great, and i mic the top speaker. but, i have a closed 2x12 with V30's and i find it overly mid heavy and not as balanced as the 4x12. I'm amazed how much difference a cab can make.
It's the Metal Zone of speakers. I quite like it, but it's true by itself it's not so much «in your face» as others. It sounds sick combined with a G12M Greenback, though, they both complement each other so well.
It sounded nice clean, but so do lots of other celestion speakers. I'd be interested to know if closed back cabs soak up some of the fizz under gain. Still, I dont think the T75 is for me.
I think a lot of it is just because it was the stock speaker in so many Marshall cabs and something else you buy to replace them is 'always going to sound better' ... obviously!!! I've played through these speakers so many times using 'borrowed' cabs and backline and never disliked the sound.
The T-75 will give you an 8\10 sound for pretty much any gain stage or style. That's kinda cool 'cos most speakers are good at one thing, but terrible at something else. The problem with the T-75 is that whatever you're using it for, there's a better speaker for whatever noise you're trying to make. If you were running a bar and wanted to have a backline cab for bands to use, I would 100% have T75s in it so that it'd be good for any band. If you were running a studio and didn't want to have multiple cabs for multiple genres, one Marshall 4x12 with T75s will work fine (again...there'd be better options, but it'd be fine). They have their place because of how versatile they are, but that versatility comes at the cost of them being "the best" at anything. Which is why a lot of people think they suck because most people have found something that does their thing, better than a T75
I think you gave the key. For a long time it was still believed that you needed a 4x12 and a 100 watts amp, in my early days that was a jcm 900, and by default it was always an angled cab loaded with t 75s... Perhaps not the best combination, but people wanted to believe it was 🤷🏻♂️. I think that's where the hate comes from, and with good reason, the cab for DSL and tsl was still the same
i purchased an angled 2x12. a blackstar with a g12t-75 in the top and a Vtype in the bottom. < i was very surprised i got a great deal on it it sounds huge
The V30 is nicer and the Greenback nicer still. A 4x12 loaded with T75s has a power rating of 300 W RMS. You need a very loud powerful amp to push those drivers. I prefer lower SPL of a smaller amp with lower-power speakers.
You're hearing 4 British made G12T-75's and 1 vintage 25w Blackback on my channel... they sound great. The newer Chinese T-75's sound harsh by comparison IMO...
I ordered the Clestion G12T-75 last week and I was deeply disappointed in comparison to my V30. There was just sizzle and fizzy tone left, which my tonestack couldn't equalize... For me it is the worst speaker I have ever heard (e.g. against the V30, Tonker, Greenback)
Did you listen to it before you ordered the speaker? I get why a lot of people don't like it but in this video I was trying to illustrate situations in which it can work.
@@ZillaCabs Please do - would love to see a comparison video on 'affordable' vintage speakers. No doubt I would love to get my hands on some pre-Rola greenbacks but at this stage, not willing to pay the prices.
Yeah it's not my favourite and has to be used in the wright place, I just feel sometimes it gets a bit of stick where it shouldn't. Thanks for watching.
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I have one, only one. And through out the years what I’ve had it. It’s grown on me. It actually came with my PRS Archon 25w Combo.
I had a mid 1980's vented white label T-75 I bought for dirt cheap. It sounded great! It had that really warm/fat old school tone. I ultimately went with neodymium speakers, but the T-75 was great.
I paired them with vintage 30s and i love it!
It is brittle harsh and the worst speaker celestion makes. It is the reason most Marshall amps sound so bad.
A few questions to people that hate them, Have you actually used them, What mic/mic's did you use and what use case. How many platinum records have been recorded with them?
No it doesn't suck. It's the sound of classic metal 🤘
Iron Maiden uses those speakers, at least Adrian Smith does.
My favorite speaker, when I think of a Rock/Marshall tone.. a T-75 is what comes to mind for me, very versatile, reliable and moldable to whatever sound you want, Love it. Have one of the new ones on my Marshall 5210 combo, sounds amazing to me
No, they don't suck, I paired 2 of these with 2 British Vintage 30s and its great
Both my 2x12 and 4x12 marshall cabs have G12t-75's in them. Between G12t-75's and greenbacks, they just get that perfect Marshall sound when paired with my marshall or EVH amp.
I have a British G12T-75 paired with a Warehouse Reaper HP. Best ever.
I've never really hated the T75, just enough people told me I should hate them to almost convince me to avoid them for a while - but i won't get fooled again! They aren't a great match for the type of thing I generally like to play around with for myself, but as a session player sometimes people want me to record heavier tones and T75s have always served me well in those instances.
I have them,i LOVE them . Mix the G12T with Creambacks G12H and you have a perfect sound
The 75's are my favorite speaker. Most people hate them because they don't understand frequencies and mic placement. It's hard to argue Yngwie has a bad tone and he is a 75 user exclusively. Depends on the amp and tone you're going for. I find them perfect for what I do and balanced in both clean and distorted tones.
I used them with a couple Silver Jubilees and liked them. These days (at 68), I use a high powered G12H style speaker in a closed 1x12 with a Dr. Z Route 66 and love it. The set up I've used the longest.
hi paul i am an huge fan of t-75 always said this in the past. mee too i prefer the older model but i agree also new one is great too. for old school trashy doomy metal there is no better choice in my opinion and i use it in open back 1x12 combo where mids are less scooped. peronally i've never liked instead v-30
Yngwie uses them. That's good enough for me.
Sounds great with old Fender amps to my ears. Tweeds and Black/Silverface.
Totally fell for that clickbait thumbnail LOL You guys rock!
Hahaha we are running an A/B test on these thumbnails so not sure which one it was, but they are all pretty clickbaity haha Thanks for watching, glad you like it.
I got 4 broken in Chinese G12T75's in my limited edition custom shop Marshall 1960a, and they sound just as good as V30's in my opinion. Lovely huge punchy warm tones with no harshness.
I love my 90s Marshall JCM 900 1960 cab with T75s... *ALL* of my amps sound best through it.
With the right mic and EQing a T75 can sound amazing. Jeff Loomis's tone on Nevermore's Dead Heart in a Dead World is all Dual Recto through a Marshall cab with T75s.
Have them in five half stacks with all Marshall heads . Love the tight low end very controllable reliable 💫
I'm a huge fan of the T75 (yes, even the non vented, non donut logo modern one) for high gain tones (think early Meshuggah, Nevermore's DHIADW album, Heartwork ...), I think it's a fairly misunderstood speaker. Most people mic it up like a V30, don't bother to tweak their amp settings and expect similar results out of it ... Also as you beautifully demonstrated in the video, the T75 shines best when paired with a mid-heavy/woody sounding yet not "dull" speaker. It's one hell of a secret weapon to run in your cab, that's for sure.
Loving the new video series so far, keep it up !
come to think of it, maybe T75's more scooped character fits better with speakers that are more on the midrangey side of things like a Hempback.
Just paired up my 90s JCM900 cab with GT75s and a Laney GH50L the75s never sounded better
I've got a black label and a vented magnet g12t75. I like the vented magnet version way better. Smoother highs. It depends on what amp you combine them with though. The black label speaker sounds great with my Marshall amps, but not so great with my Mesa or Fender amps. Also, they perform better if you push them. They need volume.
They are cool speakers. I've got a stack of old ones too, I think one made it in this video.... It's often hard to tell with older speakers how much is down to softening with age too, but either way, it's a speaker I like too. Thanks for watching.
These are like the Sheffield speakers of the 80s/90s. People would buy them and think "instant Van Halen!" Plug it all in and get nothing like the sound. What was actually happening was the audio engineer on the recording side of things would partner up a 421 mic with another, usually a 57, and flick the phase on the 421 to get the sound. It was a sound totally produced at the mixing stage but that couldnt be done without the mic technique.Thats why these speakers had some merit in the studio for years until IRs became a thing. Pairing/mixing with other speakers in the cab is a way of taming the harshness, too, as their is natural phase cancellation and standing wave generation inside the cabinet. You can also change the sound by fitting internal angled baffles/boards inside the cabinet, as it breaks up/counters some standing waves.
The T75 / M65 combination is what ive run for over 15 years now.
T75 in my B cab and M65 in the A cab
together as a full stack is glorious
Another thing is the T75 being such a high wattage speaker really excels when pushed hard as well, those that dismiss them are usually running them at low volumes and not giving them a chance to show what they can do
I like them. Great video
I played a lot of gigs & rehearsals with my Boogie MKIII simul class head though my JCM900 era 1960A cab with T-75s.
The T75's complimented the MKIII really well, sounding really rich and thick. A great combo.
It was more convenient to use the Marshall 1960A than my Mesa/Boogie Mark series cab because I kept the Marshall at the bass players rehearsal space and often I would supply a cab for all bands on the bill. The 1960A being 16 or 8 (stereo) or 4 oHms was more foolproof for a mixed lineup than the boogie 8 oHm. Also I was less precious about the Marshal cab because of the likely hood of beer spills etc. (Grill cloth vs metal grill) The 2203 on the other hand got on a lot better with the Boogie Mark series half open half closed back cab with C90's on the top and Black shadow (Eminence) vintage speakers in the closed bottom section.
On a side note I've since replaced the Eminence made black shadows with V30s in the bottom section of the boogie MK series cab and it has improved an already great cab a huge amount in my opinion.
It replaced the g12-65 back in the day. The g12-65 is a phenomenal speaker. Not sure why they changed.
It did, which used to surprise me, but I think although the G12-65 is an amazing speaker, and really versatile too, it has a few dead spots. We have it come up in a few recordings here where it can sound way out of place, sometimes really not very good..... that's our fault, we will ahve used it wrong or not worked hard enough on it but it can sometimes come across not so well... I kind of figured maybe a few too many people saw it in that light and decided to switch.
Probably the greatest 80's rock/metal speaker of all time. Pair a 4x12 of T75's with a Marshall head and your golden!
I have a Laboga alligator 2x12 combo, open back. Original equiped with 2x v30. The late Adam Laboga changed one v30 with a T 75 several years ago. Sounds amazing. I think the problem is we all want to have the sound of a vintage amp played with a Peter Greens LP. 😅
It’s easy to make the T75 sound bad but it can sound great in the right context. I have an oversized 2x12 horizontal loaded cab with a pair of the old 80’s ones in it and I love that cab, especially with my JP2C. You can’t mic it up using the standard “dustcap meets the cone” spot because the dust cap is much larger than on a V30 and you’ll end up with a kind of flat and dark sound that far out. I tend to like how a 57 sounds off axis with these speakers rather than straight on as well.
I had four of em in a straight, undersized 4x12 and always sounded great. I was mostly tuning my guitars to C-standard at the time, but the speakers sounded punchy and clear. They had none of the slightly ratty sound I expected.
The problem with the t75 is that they came out when amps were getting brighter (JCM900 & 2000 series) and the overly bright sound was blamed on the speakers because when you used a Vintage 30 they had a warmer fatter sound. At least that's what I remember... It was a lifetime ago.
in some cabs its sounds very good
Yeah they've got to be in the right place. Thanks for watching.
Jared James Nichols has a T75 in his new Blackstar signature cab, and you can hardly argue that he has a bad sound. so no, it's not the T75 that sucks, but the way some people use it.
I like the t 75 for leads, by itself it sounds kinda thin and fizzy but sits perfectly in a mix, it's instant 80's shred vibe.
They sounded awesome in my Valvestate 2x12 combo from back in the day. Never understood the hate...
i have a slanted 4x12 marshall, i took out the top two T-75's and loaded V30's to go with a mesa single rec. sounds great, and i mic the top speaker. but, i have a closed 2x12 with V30's and i find it overly mid heavy and not as balanced as the 4x12. I'm amazed how much difference a cab can make.
It's the Metal Zone of speakers.
I quite like it, but it's true by itself it's not so much «in your face» as others. It sounds sick combined with a G12M Greenback, though, they both complement each other so well.
hahaha I love that, it made me laugh.... I know what you mean. I actually have my own Metal Zone on my desk, I dare not plug it in ;)
I have a 2-12 with t75 and run it in to a 2-22 with 70-80 sounds good for I play blues
It sounded nice clean, but so do lots of other celestion speakers. I'd be interested to know if closed back cabs soak up some of the fizz under gain. Still, I dont think the T75 is for me.
The only Celestion driver I like is the G12M-70.
or.. the G12H-80, nobody ever talks about that guy.
My 75's sound great with mid forward amps like marshalls and a EVH
Good comment mate. Thanks for watching.
I think a lot of it is just because it was the stock speaker in so many Marshall cabs and something else you buy to replace them is 'always going to sound better' ... obviously!!! I've played through these speakers so many times using 'borrowed' cabs and backline and never disliked the sound.
Oh that was definitely Tom Quayle playing the guitar, at least around 2:45
haha yeah... and funnily enough, that track got us done for copyright, apparently its too close to isn;t she lovely by Stevie Wonder ;)
The T-75 will give you an 8\10 sound for pretty much any gain stage or style. That's kinda cool 'cos most speakers are good at one thing, but terrible at something else. The problem with the T-75 is that whatever you're using it for, there's a better speaker for whatever noise you're trying to make.
If you were running a bar and wanted to have a backline cab for bands to use, I would 100% have T75s in it so that it'd be good for any band. If you were running a studio and didn't want to have multiple cabs for multiple genres, one Marshall 4x12 with T75s will work fine (again...there'd be better options, but it'd be fine). They have their place because of how versatile they are, but that versatility comes at the cost of them being "the best" at anything. Which is why a lot of people think they suck because most people have found something that does their thing, better than a T75
I think you gave the key. For a long time it was still believed that you needed a 4x12 and a 100 watts amp, in my early days that was a jcm 900, and by default it was always an angled cab loaded with t 75s... Perhaps not the best combination, but people wanted to believe it was 🤷🏻♂️. I think that's where the hate comes from, and with good reason, the cab for DSL and tsl was still the same
i purchased an angled 2x12. a blackstar with a g12t-75 in the top and a Vtype in the bottom. < i was very surprised i got a great deal on it it sounds huge
The V30 is nicer and the Greenback nicer still. A 4x12 loaded with T75s has a power rating of 300 W RMS. You need a very loud powerful amp to push those drivers. I prefer lower SPL of a smaller amp with lower-power speakers.
For my really great speaker.
You're hearing 4 British made G12T-75's and 1 vintage 25w Blackback on my channel... they sound great. The newer Chinese T-75's sound harsh by comparison IMO...
I love them,
Good to have you on the team ;)
Seems to be missing the old/new comparison?
I think people that "hate" them only feel that way because it's not a V30.
I have what's labeled as a 70/80 But it loooks like my old gt 75 and nothing like a 70/80 . Sounds like a gt 75 . A unicorn ?
Just so you know, the links in your description are dead. For me it's what frequencies this speaker is missing, that makes me avoid it.
Yeah I get that about missing frequencies and I get why people avoid it. Thanks for pointing that out about the links I'll look in to it.
I ordered the Clestion G12T-75 last week and I was deeply disappointed in comparison to my V30. There was just sizzle and fizzy tone left, which my tonestack couldn't equalize... For me it is the worst speaker I have ever heard (e.g. against the V30, Tonker, Greenback)
Did you listen to it before you ordered the speaker? I get why a lot of people don't like it but in this video I was trying to illustrate situations in which it can work.
Timestamp for the old T75 clip? Thanks
Was that a Big Big Train guitar solo?
if a speaker sounds to harsh or fizzy put basket natural weave grill cloth like the old 60s cabinets i
Yes, sometimes it's best to keep the blanket on.
Would you compare an 80's t75 to a g12-65 please?
Yeah, we have examples of both. I'll try and do something on that... I;ve been meaning to do a video on vintage speakers.
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BTW, what do you think are the speakers on Piece of mind by Iron Maiden? Or Dreams by Barry Goudreau?
Oooh, please @@ZillaCabs add a G12-80 too!
@@ZillaCabs Please do - would love to see a comparison video on 'affordable' vintage speakers. No doubt I would love to get my hands on some pre-Rola greenbacks but at this stage, not willing to pay the prices.
For hi gain?
IME, the T75 can sound a bit too scooped and bass heavy for a guitar speaker, but I still prefer it to the V30.
Yeah it's not my favourite and has to be used in the wright place, I just feel sometimes it gets a bit of stick where it shouldn't. Thanks for watching.